Lily was the one being misunderstood while Rage thought they were being misunderstood. A typical misunderstanding. Taking valuable and logical feedback as an attack xD
Yea Rage went full whataboutism fallacy in that video. He's using red herrings in logic as the driving force to rudely deny legitimacy of claims made. That's why these arguments can work. In the short term they break logical consistency and allow the speaker to create a (usually) exterior strawman point by taking advantage of the want to consider the larger picture on things. If you accept the strawman instead of swatting it away, you lose the argument. The main issue is many audience members will get confused the second an arguer begins their whataboutism, even after it's refuted. Not gonna say rage did that too intentionally, it's a usual defense mechanism, it's just ugly though.
@@dddmemaybe Frankly, I just went to 3 random videos of PoE 2 of Rage's. Bro has so many things wrong and I'm frustrated. One example he said in a video for Newbies that the World Map is a guide to find the "door" to the adjacent zones. Hasn't made any corrections to it since.
nobody's above this kind of drama. plus, those guys literally get dragged in their own comments (which are promptly mass-deleted, ofc), in every gaming community they try to make guides for. they got absolutely roasted for their atrocious elden ring guides. :P
This argument was over at 28:25. "It's for the person that clicks on the video to decide whether that information was accurately good or not, and useful, and then they choose to watch the next one, or not." [next one, meaning another one of their videos] You cannot in good faith put all responsibility upon the viewer while at the same time absolving yourself of all responsibility of creating content that is intentionally (or ideally unintentionally), incorrect. You can't just put the onus on new inexperienced players players to decide whether you are right or wrong because they don't know either way - that's the whole reason they're watching you.
rubbish. your argument suggests we should blindly believe everything we read on the internet. responsibility always lies with the viewer to evaluate the accuracy of any content they consume
More to the problem of that is he is saying it's for the viewers to decide. Well Lilly is a viewer. She viewed the content. And she decided. She did exactly what he recommended she do. Isn't he happy about rhat? She followed his explicit instructions for how she should interact with his videos!
@@graog123 So for example a content creator feeding their audience misinfo (say on politics, gaming, what have you), you dont see any responsibility on the creator?
@@CoalCoalJames I think they are stealing your stuff man, I was just getting some food truck food and they are calling your stuff a 'corn dog', keep your head up king, I will eat like the rich with all your coolest food videos!!
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin yes. They have 1x1 pixel twitch-windows on their website so you push their view count on twitch and other bull shit. You should filter them out and use the official wiki, forum and db.
"Best new overpowered build, one shot bosses"... meanwhile, hey man we're not trying to make builds for super end game content, we're just trying to help the noobies.
@@Mark-ru7kc well if you you need a guide for normal acts then your problem is not rage gaming. Noobs go all the way to end game like myself. I couldn't get to T18 but with sorc build they showcased I did it effortlessly
@@MariosGaming-gh4hh T18's WOW, I would congratulate you if you did........ because they do not exist. (unless thats slang people are using for uber versions of bosses or sum such).
i still remember back when Sunbreak came out and I just want to check the current meta and did a search on youtube, and all it came back was ragegaming bullshit "best this best that" i hate their content with all the fibers of my being.
"Hey guys, today we're playing League of Legends for the first time ever and we're going to be talking about the best build in the game right now, Tank Bard." Same energy.
THIS INSANE NEW NEWEST BEST BESTEST INVOKER TRIPPLE QUARTERSTAFF IS ONE-SHOTTING ENDGAME BOSSES (NEWBIE FRIENDLY) *proceeds to showcase hitting story bosses for 5% of their HP per hit*
I knew I'd get posterized. 33:00 . I feel ashamed but I am said new player. I have watched multiple videos from various creators. I do use my head. I am new to path of exile. Most authorities on the game have put out content that isn't the easiest to follow. I have tried to push through the more obscure dense creators' stuff. I wish I knew what he said wrong in the video I commented on. Idr what it was but I think it was info about not wasting some currency vs others being worth spending. Idk I recall it rambled but it all felt like useful info iirc. Anyways I found your channel with the video about creators not to watch. Tbh I would most appreciate a video or even a series about what to know and not fuck up as a beginner. Campaign. Most people figure it out by endgame but it's not short nor easy if you're fucking up. I won't watch it if it's in reference to bad misinfo though. But every second being valuable is something I'm clearly after. Cheers. Please don't drag me, I don't like the online stuff anymore. Thanks.
If you're new and want some pretty good info, Zizaran is always the de facto "new player" content creator. There's plenty of dedicated POE2 creators, and most of them are really amazing.
I list items differently, I assume the value - set a price - and if I get spammed with whispers because I listed it for way to low - I sell it anyway. Pain is a great way to learn fast.
Gatekeeping would be "you didn't cover PoE 1 so you can't talk about PoE 2" Intentionally baiting and misleading people and getting called out is not being "gatekept"
I noticed it the third time he said "gatekeeping," he doesn't mean players trying to gatekeep the game from other players. When he says gatekeeping, he means content creators 'gatekeeping' the RUclips ad revenue from other content creators. He wants to jump on this PoE2 gravy-train, crank out some videos and make some money, but if Lily or other creators shame him, and reduce his views, that's gatekeeping! They might clip in to his income! His attitude is, 'hey, there's plenty of money for all of us. Why you trying to keep me from getting some?'
Yeah it’s not gatekeeping, poe is just a complex and difficult game - unlike many other games where you can kinda do whatever seems cool and still succeed, poe is just not like that. It really matters whether the information is solid because if not then those following will have a very bad time and many of them will quit. We all want to see the game and playerbase grow, we want new players to have a good time and stay with the game, and they need solid information in order to do that.
@@LazloHo It's a very stupid idea that a channel that is less than 10% the size of his can "gatekeep" him anyway. If the community as a whole condemns what he's doing, it's a sign that it's probably unwanted. Still not gatekeeping lol
If you need evidence that you are correct, i am a newb in the game and watched his videos and he was horribly wrong about stuff that gladly i figured out myself, but he wasted my time at least. He makes it sound like he is an authority in the game. Very misleading! Thank you for warning about those!
Yeah if the youtuber you watch does not stream almost every day instantly click off it. Every good Poe creator also streams degenerate amount of hours.
@@BLTspace I would probably suggest Ziz over any creators for noobs. Fub for currency, Ben for HC, Jung for crazy builds, Sushi for stupid gambling crafts. Probably leaving someone out.
@@Mas-ij3ti Yea all of them are fine. Im doing Bens mage now in SC. Any of these ppl and lily are fine to snipe builds from. I guess my point is knowledge is king in poe and you will learn more from casually watching lily or anyone you mentioned than you will watching these variety game channels.
You have builds at max roll, those guys really invest time into testing, they watch what other people do on poe ninja and they make guides for what is the best atm. poe ninja is not here yet but will probably be made for poe2 when game fully releases.
glad you pointed this out, i fell into the hole of watching his videos starting poe2 and started a build of his. after your vid i started realizing your points were right, thanks for making that video. enjoying your poe2 content aswell, keep it up!
Gaslighting is strong in this one. He could have played this in a constructive manner but ofc that went out the window in favour of drama. It's not them who are wrong, it's the toxic/gatekeeping community 😂
As much as I agree with your comment, I also believe she could've DM'd him and expressed her concerns without making a video about it. There are a lot of people in all types of games that say best and most OP build, but she chose to make a video and start something. Maybe she cares about the game, or maybe she wants views, I don't know, but there's no reason to just call out these 4 people. She needs to call out everyone by name. Jmo.
@ they'll be fine. They are not PoE-centric and also the amount of viewers that overlap across both channels is small. Lily's community doesn't really care about who RageGaming are and what they do as long as it doesn't affect the game directly.
What rage and his community dont seem to understand is missinforming noobs isnt "just making videos for fun" and criticizing them as bad is not being elitist. The exodia one quack build guy prefaced all his viseos with "this build is not good and cost 25 mirrors dont copy it"
Ragegaming d4 builds sucked btw, so i never bothered watching his poe2 builds His vids is him rambling for 20 mins to explain sth while raxx explains it in 2mins
@@MariosGaming-gh4hh Yeah these guys are playing the game for 200+ hours since launch, pumping two Poe2 videos + more videos other game per day, and still making the best original builds for the community. Obviously Elon Musk hired 500 people and put them behind these guys XDDD
They 100% are just cashing in on a wave of noobs googling "best sorc build poe 2" They are advertising false results, their channel clearly says they focus on Monster Hunter. Unsure why one hour of absolute yap about "outrage culture" has anything to do with them getting caught pushing unoriginal, trash builds as their own.
I dont disagree but i think there are a lot of OG Poe content creators that do the exact same thing. I dont really care about the thumbnails and titles, as long as the info said in the actual video is not false. Lets be honest anyone who puts "best" when talking about farming strats are lying because we have no data to know what is best. One node could legit be disabled for all we know and it just sounds better but in reality it does nothing. Without testing we dont know.
@@Mas-ij3ti They also get called out for it... LITERALLY IN THE SAME VIDEO... PoE if anything calls out content creators too often for this. This idiot being held to a standard of honesty isn't gatekeeping or uncalled for.
@@imnotme1657 Not at all. I saw the video and 3 creators were called out. While i know of multiple creators who have been making content for YEARS for Poe 1. Creators that are actual Diddy predators on noob players. Im no fan of Rage Gaming, he made shit D4 content as well. However i dont think he is even top 5 of most disgusting Poe creators.
@@Mas-ij3ti So what's your point? You want more callouts? Or nobody should ever be called out because not everyone can be called out? Not sure what you're even trying to say.
@ Lily said Rage Gaming was the most egregious example, this is false. Just like when rage said “best build”. So both are liars and Lily is a hypocrite until corrected. It’s hilarious to call out a liar while also lying in your callout 🤡
The issue for me is that they overproduce slop content for a game and flood the algorythm with bs information. Almost 800 videos on D4 alone and most are out of date by now but no attempt to TELL the viewer it's out of date to create a rabit hole to farm ad rev.
Nobody makes 4 videos a day on a subject for two weeks and can be considered an expert on the subject. If I made 4 videos a day for a month on how to speak French, I still wouldn't be fluent in the language. Rage doesn't know what they're talking about.
the one you called out was actually promoting RMT, they were even sponsored that if you use their code thing in their video. They recently removed those videos after the hacking issues
it almost happened to me, my first build was from "path of exile builds" and maaaaan that was stinky af, fortunately i found ziz, aer0 and pal and everything went smoothly
It is insane to me that PoE is so bad as a game that people need to follow the guide from the first hour of playing it; otherwise, they don't enjoy the game. It is such a bad game design that I cannot understand the phenomenon of this. It is ridiculous. If you cannot play the game without following the guide from someone else, then why even play it?
28:16 he got comments about this same thing in d4 about a chain lightning build and said the same thing "its the best one i could make so i titled it *new best build* "
For some reason I can't stop RUclips from recommending their channel since last year. They are everything you just said since D4 or before. And they're dellusional.
It's wild that they actually answered and then tried to play the victim. That's hilarious. I'll admit they got me with their click bait titles and I watched a few POE2 videos only to find out what they were pushing was mids.
Not the first time i've heard this about Rage Gaming. They also had some similar accusations over some of their FromSoftware videos. I think it was some Elden Ring builds or something. They always have those cringe ass titles with clickbait phrases like "DO THIS NOW" or "Most broken build" or "get OP FAST!"
Yup. They got destroyed for their Elden ring content. Same with monster hunter. The ultimate word vomit channel. Blows my fkn mind that they have over a million subs. Ppl are incredibly stupid.
@@Mystra I'm thinking back, but I don't remember any of Fextra's builds claiming to be "the best". For ER anyway, they were typically themed builds, which were actually interesting to me.
That's not bad if it still comes with good content? That's for spreading their video, which every youtubers want, some doesn't care as much, but still it's what everyone wants when they do youtube for a job. Problem, again, imo is it needs to be backed by good info/content, not shitty pieces of shit
@@GrandpaJay1 maybe just make good content. If they made 1 good video instead of 5 shitty ones they would get the same # views but better viewer retention.
I'm gonna make the algorithm love this video because this is the absolute pinnacle of pointless baby drama for dumb idiots. Which is great, because I am a dumb idiot that loves baby drama.
@Omer-di1bl The problem isn't clickbait. It's clickbait combined with the content being the polar opposite. Yes DS Lily clickbaits but her builds are the best or close to at least. RageGamingVideos builds are average to straight up bad. All clickbait are not made equally. So yes nice try but u fail.
@@Mystra I tried and failed at what? There is no such thing as "the best" thats why people often use it as their titel as clickbait which in my opinion nothing wrong with that. I used ragegaming builds and now doing tier 16 maps fine. Your hate makes no sense. Your negative vibes are just cringe
@Omer-di1bl You failed at understanding the difference between clickbait of one creator to another, and you still do. Your RageGamingVideos build are definitely not doing tier 16 maps just fine unless you have godly gear or changed the build. We have already proven that his builds are bad, that he gives wrong advice, so nothing you say will change things.
as a new viewer of this drama i heard it from kripp.. even when lily posts builds as best she even says who made the build. But when Rage does best build but it is suppose to be best cheap/for beginners that is not said anywhere at all... Like come on
Ragegaming citing comments is wild when they have one of the most heavily doctored comment sections since D4 launch 🤣 Any criticism gets mass deleted while they continually prop up comments like "wow this build is sick, great guide!" from bot#372 (account created today).
You weren't wrong. They did make a video where they said to post it low and keep raising it, and it wasn't the one you watched in this video. I saw it the other day and laughed.
@@CurrySage Still wrong. Start low and run the risk of only one person actually seeing it and whispering means running the risk of selling it too low because of a false sense of correct pricing. Start high and that one person might see it and be willing to pay higher because it is what they want.
Rage does not understand that Poe build makers get roasted if theyr build is 30% sub optimal. so if u come to poe and be like rage , u will be fuckdover
he PoE content creation community has a responsibility to maintain high standards, which sometimes means being selective about what is promoted or endorsed. When creators like RageGaming produce misleading 'best builds' or 'best farming methods' videos, it can harm new players by giving them inaccurate expectations or strategies. A bit of 'gate-keeping,' in the sense of holding creators accountable for the accuracy and quality of their content, is necessary to preserve the integrity of the community and ensure new players have a positive experience.
Build guides that are made to be copied (vast majority of POE content) teach you nothing about fundamental game concepts, so they add nothing of value to someone's experience except a playable build & they most likely gained 0 non-build specific knowledge so I'm not sure if this is a good benchmark to use.
@@LeanChinothat’s not necessarily true, if you are introduced to a build that works then you at the bare minimum have a reference point for something that is good even if you don’t understand the mechanics behind it. Contrast this by a player who goes in blind and can’t beat the act 2 end boss because their homebrew build is shit so they end up just quitting.
If you're just calling somebody out on incorrect statements, that's not gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is setting standards for what is acceptable in a pool of valid information. Information that is presented as a fact with verifiable accuracy which doesn't stand up to verification is *never* acceptable to begin with, it should never enter anyone's consideration.
"Click HERE for the BEST ULTRA FARM GUIDE!" "Woah woah woah, we don't know what the best ultra farming is, we're just casual fam. Don't be so gatekeep"
I play PoE, D4 and Monster Hunter games and I've always hated the slop RageGaming pumps out. Thanks for calling them out on their bs, they're honestly so annoying to see in my search results whenever I see them.
Holy. They print random thank yous, probably from players not knowing much more than them themselves, all over the effing screen, then delete comments they don't like, all the while complaining about being a victim of misinformation, not the cause of it.
Call it gatekeeping, but it's annoying seeing trash content being posted all over the place. new kids on the block trying to shit up the place? get out of here.
@christerjakobsen8107 it isn't good, games and studios need to grow their player base to maintain themselves. And it isn't gatekeeping, it's calling out a trio of liars.
I am the best 100 meter sprinter in the world... Among me and my 4 casual friends that has never trained running a day in our lives and meet up for one race every 14 years.
Thanks for your work Lily. I recently got back into PoE 2 after having burnout from PoE 1, and your channel has helped me a lot. You're super fun and you bring a lot of knowledge about the game.
I watched their Invoker build video as a Cold Invoker who is sorta in T15 maps. There are some real head-scratchers in there. I've gotten to where I am by doing about 95% of Skyrah's build on Maxroll which is pretty gear demanding. I categorically don't understand taking the Spirit from body armor ascendancy node but NOT taking the armor gain from it. The extra survivability is very noticeable. I haven't even done my 3rd trial yet and I'm on T15s. That's how strong that Armor ascendancy node is for tankiness. Also, talks about stacking Crit and then completely skips over the CRIT NODE RIGHT AFTER THE OPENING SECTION in favor of grabbing ES nodes in the caster section to the north? Like what?! I don't know.
You dont actuqlly need that node because energy/es is already a pretty good defensive layer but alm9st garunteed they're not actually doing anything worthwhile with the extra point lol
I don't know the situation but Rage Gaming is seriously bad click bait. I subscribed and then unsubsidized a week later because all of their Diablo 4 videos said something in the title that was never mentioned in the video.
They made one video about a comically strong build for BG3 like a year ago that was actually quite good if I recall correctly. No idea if it was their own original build, though. Abjuration wizard with Duelist's Prerogative if I recall correctly. I think I used it and it kicked ass.
Lily was 💯 clear about the 80% build power drama being non drama, being that the only common example of drama and it's not even real drama. The guy completely missed the point of that comment.
@@MannersPlease It's not bait. It is actual and proven known that some content creator stir up drama to get attention, clicks and traffic on the internet about their channel, evenmore going after bigger channels, because guess what, bigger channells names appear faster on Google search. You've been living under a rock or something?!
@@AnghelVick it's proven and known that some commenters love to write meaningless garbage that lacks any sort of factual basis while sniffing their own farts. In B4 "I know you are but what am I 😭"
Love that theyve updated the pinned comment on their vid. Clearly hadn't learnt from Disney and didn't realise telling people not to watch their content isn't the best PR.
thank you lily for calling people like this out I fell for a bad build and now im paying for it heavily, I made it better some how but the glaring flaws ruin my experience to the point where I just dont have fun anymore and im stuck till I farm up a bunch of divs:/
@@Thighsupremacy9909 well not really that bad I just picked a cool build and didnt check the price for the amy and most ive seen are 40 div so even a shity usable one is gonna be pricey
being a completely new player i hated PoE2 even more after following all these guides from high subscriber counts and nothing worked. Then i finally found a small creator and followed his advice and i started to enjoy the game
As someone who played for 11 years, it is annoying to see people click baiting with absolute words like "best" when they're actually very far from it. I don't like drama, but I forced myself to watch this to support the side that I thought was most likely right in this. I won't be watching Rage's, I don't need that for my own well being and peace of mind. If they had said in their reply they'd stop using absolutes incorrectly for views rather than the opposite, I'd reconsider. Creds for owning up to the 80%, I'd say that's a fair assessment too.
It was on the video he titile: "Get level 100 FAST AND EASY". It was 3 days ago (20 days from launch) as we had no level 100 in softcore.... actualy I think we have one level 100 today (dec,28,2024)
25 videos a day with time to spare to respond to your criticism. where does this muppet find the time to do anything else? like... how many hours can you put into learning the game itself if you're spending all that time pumping out content slop?
There are channels made with several people and they churn out videos like its some slop factory. If anything, its possible the guy speaking doesn't even play PoE, his only job is to just read a teleprompter because his voice sounds okay.
It's easy to make content when you put no effort/time into researching whether the information you're putting out is correct, and just ramble through 1/2-2/3 of the video about unrelated shit.
It's always the same pattern with these types. They mislead and have shady practices for money. The second they are called out, they get on their high horse and make a public announcement addressing the "bullies and harassment ". Then, they proceed to create a victim narrative that contradicts their actions.
PoE is one of the worse games to try and meme your way though making videos for, every player with experience can tell so quickly when you have no idea what you are talking about. When he said his videos are not trying to be for the ultra end game grinders i just had to pause, it is new players that need to most information not just some vague ideas. The videos for turbo juicers are usually like "yo here is my PoB, im not going to explain anything." and don't even have a proper title for the video. The Gatekeeping is the exact opposite, we want people to enjoy the game the same way we have. If a newplayer gets frustrated and quits they can miss out on really experiencing the game, that is why the community cradles new players so much.
I’ve been playing Poe for years. I subbed to them back in beginning of d4. I watched some of their poe2 stuff and threw up. So much misinformation it was crazy. I unsubbed before all this drama but I said the same shit as you Lilly.
@@Bandit-db5wg They obviously just make a bunch of content for games that are hyped up to make money with horrible clickbait titles etc. But after watching a couple of their Poe 2 videos i dont think the actual videos are as bad as the title and thumbnails suggest. So maybe i have to take a step back and say they are clickbait and money grabbers, but maybe not 100% wrong all the time.
They don't check the website because that's not playing the game and thus not fun. I rarely ever check the trade site, but if I get swarmed, I'll raise the price once before I check. Two swarms? Pull it, check, and then put it appropriately but at the lowest price so it still gets sold. Or if someone whispers a price, I'll sell it to them but ask how much they think it's worth as part of the sale so I learn and still offload.
I had this happen to a quiver. I got an extremely desperate PM wanting it, so instead of raising it by 10 ex, I went to trade to research if it was really valuable. I found out it was at least 1-2 div but I slammed it twice and got 6 Div for it. Using Rages method I would have lost tons of currency and taken 2 hours to keep raising the price over and over.
I think it's good when creators have opinions about other creators. If you're a new player who doesn't have clue who to follow you can take those opinions and make your own decision if you wanna trust them or not. However if they're intentionally misleading people for views or just have a really bad understanding of the game in general is hard to say. They might actually think that the methods they're propagating are in fact the best ones
Here's the thing though lily. You titled your own video "content cop" in the veins of the old iDubbz videos, but failed to do what he did: Show examples. Skipping around in a video twice and then shitting all over the channel isn't good enough. And I'm not trying to pick a side here: I'm trying to explain how to definitely proof to people that you're right. Your simps will just nod and yes, the RageGaming simps will just screech at you and say you're wrong. What you want are the people in the middle who aren't convinced either way. And I'm not, except the titles being super clickbaity nonsense, there's way worse examples out there like that Majestic dude and others making way worse content. Why did you not mention channels that showcase Skeletal Sniper builds, using the gas cloud command skill that also put brutality support into them. LIke THAT'S what I expect your last video to be about. That's a specific example. That can be shown, with a clip, talked about, and is actual proof. Edit: 37:00 makes my case for me. If you had shown clips you would have noticed your own error, so now you look like a complete clown, spreading bullshit, because the guy never just said "put it for 1 ex and up it", he was explaining multiple ways to do it. And you can disagree, and I do too because the people relisting their 1ex items is annoying. But it's not the slam-dunk you think it was, quite the opposite. Because it makes you look gatekeepy and toxic more than it makes him look bad.
Been playing POE now for about a couple years and I lost my soul to POE and probably pushing 1500 hours now. After watching Ghazzy cover you - I love your content and no BS straight forwardness. You have earned my subscription!
One thing I appreciate a lot in the PoE space as a new player is how connected everyone seems. All the streamers ive watched regularly makes references like you know eachother really well all the time, in comparasion to WoW where im from and people just WHO eachother outside of some friend-circles. Makes me a lot more inclined to listen to the undeniably better part of the community over these farm channels like Rage who I did use to look to a few years back. Cant even recall what game it was but this kinda channel used to be useful for that. That said Im not even using guides for now, but probably will at some point when the game fully releases. When that happens, I know where to look now at least. For some reason your reactions to him yapping endlessly was more entertaining than the actual drama parts. Editing this to say I fuckin lied, him deleting the comment in realtime was insane
36:00 No, you weren't wrong. He straight up says in his video that if you list an item and get a *wall* of messages, to relist it for more. And then keep doing that until the messages slow down. That's *disgusting* etiquette, and you're wasting the buyer's time. If you offer something for a price, and someone messages you willing to pay that price, *SELL THEM THE EFFING ITEM* on a first come, first served basis. Path of Exile 2 has a terrible problem with messaging people from the trade site and never getting a response. Some of them are busy doing content and can't respond, but some of them are following this terrible, extremely rude advice. It's gross, he should feel gross, and you were right to call it out.
@KK-fs8rm Nobody owes you anything. Click the next item buddy. How entitled are you that you think if I price my item wrong, I just have to give it to you because you clicked a box. If you promp me to buy an item, and I get 3 other promps at the same time, I'm raising the price by what I think is reasonable.
this is exactly why they need an in game market. list your item for x price, someone finds and buys it. instead of the infinite merry-go-round of scrubs baiting items for lower prices. Granted I think the prices are generally WAY TOO high.
@@omglimepieright it's basic supply and demand. Bro experiences this daily in real life but wants to get mad cause it's seeping into the game that keeps him from showering
Thats just basic PoE pricing tactic, smartest traders have been doing that in PoE for the better part of a decade. But I wouldn't say exactly the same, we don't keep bit by bit increasing the price until messages slow down. We put every item from maps into a quad tab that has a low price for all items, and then price check the items that get spammed about and price them accordingly right away. Yea his method is much lazier and wastes more peoples time.
That's not the main issue with trade. If this were the case you would only see it with items listed recently. The issue is people put items up for sale, leave them out there, and never even intend on responding. There are a ton of items that have been listed for hours/days and people just won't respond. Generally people don't want to respond unless it's a high value item.
Ever since 2018 I've know those guys, and always thought their content was in fact diarrea, just by the thumbnails. I just got into POE universe, but as a hardcore veteran of Monster Hunter I can guarantee RageGaming are absolute amateurs, prioritizing quantity over quality. Their audience are basically dads, and NPCs. You got my sub just for calling them out, and on top you're hot and intelligent? Bravo!
Regarding "build gatekeeping" -theme: When i was new in PoE1, I took advices from "good builds", respecced fully into them and spent all currency. Few times it just led into situation where my entire build was bricked, I was broke and it was more or less impossible for me to progress anymore (until I farmed for all stuff I needed to fix it). I just want to say thanks to all "gatekeepers" who are there to help out with builds pointing out what works and what does not.
I went over to his video to read the comments and so many of the ones defending Rage say "as a new player, I thought the videos were great and informative!". It blows my mind how dense some people are.
As someone who doesn't know Structural Engineering, I think the bridge plans you submitted are great. If the bridge collapses later on when it gets stressed, it's not a big deal.
@@WiLDRAGE777 As a new bridge user, I enjoyed my crossing experience. Nothing seems off to me, the extreme swaying and loud snapping noises were a calming experience. 10/10 keep up the good work!
nobody wrote stupid comments or harassed them is just blatantly false. half the responses to anything about build videos has a ton of people shitting on him, because of lily. this entire situation is bad for the game. we dont need drama in the poe cc sphere. his videos arent different than 90% of what people have posted about poe 1 AND poe 2. this whole thing blowing up into this drama is not helpful. there has been and always will be, a massive range of content between people who just dont know whats going on, all the way to people like pohx. lily just toxic here tbh. not about defending rage, the toxicity is just not good for the game.
Wait wait wait wait...the footage is a CI build with 2.1k ES? REALLY? Like...sure they've got Grim Feast up but I have more ES and Life than that on my scuffed Chayula monk.
@@FontayFlameTV What has CI to do with that? To even get to 6k mana you need multi divine gear. To get to 4k+ mana with capped chaos res is even harder. Not actually sure you play the game if you prefer running without chaos res or how you get 4k+ mana with max chaos res and damage. Someone doesn't play PoE 2 I feel and is talking about PoE 1 numbers.
I stopped my tier 3 subscription to lily after she started censoring her feet. I'm on rage's side for this one
Super based
LUUUUL hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha
king behavior
those knees tho
This is the really drama.
Rage: Maybe it is a misunderstanding.
Lilly: This is not a misunderstanding.
Had me dying.
Lily went full Philly girl
Lily was the one being misunderstood while Rage thought they were being misunderstood. A typical misunderstanding. Taking valuable and logical feedback as an attack xD
Yea Rage went full whataboutism fallacy in that video. He's using red herrings in logic as the driving force to rudely deny legitimacy of claims made. That's why these arguments can work. In the short term they break logical consistency and allow the speaker to create a (usually) exterior strawman point by taking advantage of the want to consider the larger picture on things. If you accept the strawman instead of swatting it away, you lose the argument. The main issue is many audience members will get confused the second an arguer begins their whataboutism, even after it's refuted. Not gonna say rage did that too intentionally, it's a usual defense mechanism, it's just ugly though.
@@dddmemaybe Frankly, I just went to 3 random videos of PoE 2 of Rage's. Bro has so many things wrong and I'm frustrated. One example he said in a video for Newbies that the World Map is a guide to find the "door" to the adjacent zones. Hasn't made any corrections to it since.
I like to pretend I'm above drama content but I clicked on this video the second I saw it... 😳
nobody's above this kind of drama. plus, those guys literally get dragged in their own comments (which are promptly mass-deleted, ofc), in every gaming community they try to make guides for. they got absolutely roasted for their atrocious elden ring guides. :P
🤣
that is so true 🙈😅💗
This lol
I don't fear the content creator that makes a 1000 different "best" build guides. I fear the creator that rewrote 1 build guide a thousand times.
This argument was over at 28:25.
"It's for the person that clicks on the video to decide whether that information was accurately good or not, and useful, and then they choose to watch the next one, or not." [next one, meaning another one of their videos]
You cannot in good faith put all responsibility upon the viewer while at the same time absolving yourself of all responsibility of creating content that is intentionally (or ideally unintentionally), incorrect. You can't just put the onus on new inexperienced players players to decide whether you are right or wrong because they don't know either way - that's the whole reason they're watching you.
rubbish. your argument suggests we should blindly believe everything we read on the internet. responsibility always lies with the viewer to evaluate the accuracy of any content they consume
@@graog123 Lmao so liars bear no responsibility for lying in their video? That is straight up reтarded, hope you become a victim of financial fraud
More to the problem of that is he is saying it's for the viewers to decide. Well Lilly is a viewer. She viewed the content. And she decided. She did exactly what he recommended she do. Isn't he happy about rhat? She followed his explicit instructions for how she should interact with his videos!
@@graog123 this is idiotic lol
@@graog123 So for example a content creator feeding their audience misinfo (say on politics, gaming, what have you), you dont see any responsibility on the creator?
The best build guides are the ones with like 7 views and the person clearly wakes up at 4pm
based
So fucking true lol
Facts
“I called the videos the “best” in the title because I tried my best to make it” LOL you can’t make this shit up omg 😂😂
Best beef wellington recipe~~~~
(my best)
@@CoalCoalJames I think they are stealing your stuff man, I was just getting some food truck food and they are calling your stuff a 'corn dog', keep your head up king, I will eat like the rich with all your coolest food videos!!
lmao
He really was raised to believe the participation prize matters kjaskdjaksdjas
G.O.A.T cheese, sounds familiar?
Dude is Fextralife from temu
Hey, hey hey hey, dont do temu like that, these guys are from wish
more like fextralife from wish
He wishes xD
Is fextralife bad too?
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin yes. They have 1x1 pixel twitch-windows on their website so you push their view count on twitch and other bull shit. You should filter them out and use the official wiki, forum and db.
"Best new overpowered build, one shot bosses"... meanwhile, hey man we're not trying to make builds for super end game content, we're just trying to help the noobies.
I mean that's kinda obvious, no? They never have any depth on mechanics or the likes
Tbh sounds like at least 90% of these "guide" channels on youtube.
@@Mark-ru7kc well if you you need a guide for normal acts then your problem is not rage gaming. Noobs go all the way to end game like myself. I couldn't get to T18 but with sorc build they showcased I did it effortlessly
@@MariosGaming-gh4hh T18's
WOW, I would congratulate you if you did........ because they do not exist. (unless thats slang people are using for uber versions of bosses or sum such).
@@CoalCoalJames there is t16's and 2 mods on the atlas which boost map level by 1
Bro Ragegaming ruined the way the Monster Hunter community talks about the game after World came out and I’ll never forgive them
i still remember back when Sunbreak came out and I just want to check the current meta and did a search on youtube, and all it came back was ragegaming bullshit "best this best that" i hate their content with all the fibers of my being.
Him cherry picking his comment section to find comments that praise and agree with him as some evidence of validity is hilarious.
Yeah people like that are the worst of the worst. I wouldn't save him from a house fire.
@@Xerus35 bro you're weird as fuck for saying that. Super cringe.
I bet I get to watch at least 5 top quality reacts to this situation. Thanks for the content.
the 5 best reactions
@@hoodedy Top 5 BEST Reactions on RUclips!!!
Where is cutedog i heard his rent was due
@@consortofthedarkmoonnot sure if he'd get involved. There's no vtubers.
@@fantomas4935 you're right oh shit
"I'm a new player so I make guides for new players." Try to apply this to any other profession/hobby
I'm an unathletic fat fuck so I teach gym class for kids..
No wait, that's the other one that actually happens.
Im a new dentist, so I make tutorial vids for new dentists.
never heard of the phrase "blind leading the blind"
I bet a 40-yrs exp vet can relate more.
"Hey guys, today we're playing League of Legends for the first time ever and we're going to be talking about the best build in the game right now, Tank Bard."
Same energy.
BEST INVOKER GUIDE
"not for serious players or anyone in endgame or anyone who wants correct info"
NEW STRONGEST MONK BUILD SHRED MAPS
Gameplay is from act 5
THIS INSANE NEW NEWEST BEST BESTEST INVOKER TRIPPLE QUARTERSTAFF IS ONE-SHOTTING ENDGAME BOSSES (NEWBIE FRIENDLY)
*proceeds to showcase hitting story bosses for 5% of their HP per hit*
I knew I'd get posterized. 33:00 . I feel ashamed but I am said new player. I have watched multiple videos from various creators. I do use my head.
I am new to path of exile. Most authorities on the game have put out content that isn't the easiest to follow. I have tried to push through the more obscure dense creators' stuff.
I wish I knew what he said wrong in the video I commented on. Idr what it was but I think it was info about not wasting some currency vs others being worth spending. Idk I recall it rambled but it all felt like useful info iirc.
Anyways I found your channel with the video about creators not to watch.
Tbh I would most appreciate a video or even a series about what to know and not fuck up as a beginner. Campaign. Most people figure it out by endgame but it's not short nor easy if you're fucking up.
I won't watch it if it's in reference to bad misinfo though. But every second being valuable is something I'm clearly after.
Cheers. Please don't drag me, I don't like the online stuff anymore. Thanks.
If you're new and want some pretty good info, Zizaran is always the de facto "new player" content creator. There's plenty of dedicated POE2 creators, and most of them are really amazing.
I list items differently, I assume the value - set a price - and if I get spammed with whispers because I listed it for way to low - I sell it anyway. Pain is a great way to learn fast.
Gatekeeping would be "you didn't cover PoE 1 so you can't talk about PoE 2"
Intentionally baiting and misleading people and getting called out is not being "gatekept"
You think that would be gatekeeping? I think it would have to go a lot further than that to count as gatekeeping...
Of course it’s gatekeeping, we must hold fast and keep these tourist sloptubers out of our feeds and communities
I noticed it the third time he said "gatekeeping," he doesn't mean players trying to gatekeep the game from other players. When he says gatekeeping, he means content creators 'gatekeeping' the RUclips ad revenue from other content creators. He wants to jump on this PoE2 gravy-train, crank out some videos and make some money, but if Lily or other creators shame him, and reduce his views, that's gatekeeping! They might clip in to his income!
His attitude is, 'hey, there's plenty of money for all of us. Why you trying to keep me from getting some?'
Yeah it’s not gatekeeping, poe is just a complex and difficult game - unlike many other games where you can kinda do whatever seems cool and still succeed, poe is just not like that. It really matters whether the information is solid because if not then those following will have a very bad time and many of them will quit. We all want to see the game and playerbase grow, we want new players to have a good time and stay with the game, and they need solid information in order to do that.
@@LazloHo It's a very stupid idea that a channel that is less than 10% the size of his can "gatekeep" him anyway. If the community as a whole condemns what he's doing, it's a sign that it's probably unwanted. Still not gatekeeping lol
Why rage gaming say its a more budget version of the build but video title is best build?
It's because they tried their best.
Blame RUclips. If they don't make their thumbnails and their titles like this, it doesn't get any views since RUclips won't put it out to be seen.
Bro it's the best 2 exalted orbs build in the game
Exactly, better algo, more views, more $$. @@sirix500111
If you need evidence that you are correct, i am a newb in the game and watched his videos and he was horribly wrong about stuff that gladly i figured out myself, but he wasted my time at least. He makes it sound like he is an authority in the game. Very misleading! Thank you for warning about those!
Yeah if the youtuber you watch does not stream almost every day instantly click off it. Every good Poe creator also streams degenerate amount of hours.
You found your way here so thats all that matters. It's hard to find a bigger poe degen than lily, welcome.
@@BLTspace I would probably suggest Ziz over any creators for noobs. Fub for currency, Ben for HC, Jung for crazy builds, Sushi for stupid gambling crafts. Probably leaving someone out.
@@Mas-ij3ti Yea all of them are fine. Im doing Bens mage now in SC. Any of these ppl and lily are fine to snipe builds from. I guess my point is knowledge is king in poe and you will learn more from casually watching lily or anyone you mentioned than you will watching these variety game channels.
You have builds at max roll, those guys really invest time into testing, they watch what other people do on poe ninja and they make guides for what is the best atm. poe ninja is not here yet but will probably be made for poe2 when game fully releases.
glad you pointed this out, i fell into the hole of watching his videos starting poe2 and started a build of his. after your vid i started realizing your points were right, thanks for making that video. enjoying your poe2 content aswell, keep it up!
Gaslighting is strong in this one. He could have played this in a constructive manner but ofc that went out the window in favour of drama. It's not them who are wrong, it's the toxic/gatekeeping community 😂
As much as I agree with your comment, I also believe she could've DM'd him and expressed her concerns without making a video about it. There are a lot of people in all types of games that say best and most OP build, but she chose to make a video and start something. Maybe she cares about the game, or maybe she wants views, I don't know, but there's no reason to just call out these 4 people. She needs to call out everyone by name. Jmo.
The problem is her video can directly impact his channel. She chose to farm views by embarrassing the Rage channel. No honor amongst thieves.
@ they'll be fine. They are not PoE-centric and also the amount of viewers that overlap across both channels is small. Lily's community doesn't really care about who RageGaming are and what they do as long as it doesn't affect the game directly.
@@bazementgremlin845Dude what lmao.
What rage and his community dont seem to understand is missinforming noobs isnt "just making videos for fun" and criticizing them as bad is not being elitist. The exodia one quack build guy prefaced all his viseos with "this build is not good and cost 25 mirrors dont copy it"
We stan @OMGItsJousis around here 🥰
@@Xexanos Notice the worm flask isn't available in PoE2.
They fear his power and the enigma of his mechanism.
@@Xexanos All hail Jousis, breaker of servers.
They did the same shit in Elden Ring and got flamed for it then too.
oh shit? I missed that one. Any vids about that?
Their channel was so annoying during elden ring
So many stolen Elden ring builds from small creators but with wrong explanations and changing the build to become shit
Only waifu did a video about their pvp builds @@breadtoaster1011
Ragegaming d4 builds sucked btw, so i never bothered watching his poe2 builds
His vids is him rambling for 20 mins to explain sth while raxx explains it in 2mins
Most of ragegaming d4 builds weren't their builds in the first place. Just copy-masted from others.
I remember his name from ages ago (forgot what game even) but i do remember the same shit as now. Bad clickbaity build guides.
His Elden RIng content was awful as well, I imagine that it's only gotten worse with PoE, since it's such an absurdly mechanically deep game.
@@ahouat7913 yea that's why 2 of their original builds were rank in top 5 builds 🤣 Not copied btw... Biased thought won't get you far. 🫡
@@MariosGaming-gh4hh Yeah these guys are playing the game for 200+ hours since launch, pumping two Poe2 videos + more videos other game per day, and still making the best original builds for the community.
Obviously Elon Musk hired 500 people and put them behind these guys XDDD
Dude literally even quoted you incorrectly lol 😂
"everyone who tells me I'm wrong is a gatekeeper and a bully"
Lol what an idiot.
Some people would pay to get cyberbullied by Lily.
criticism = bulling, thats their logic
@@RG32822 i wish
@@dslily whats your paypal baby? how much for a sleezy gatekeeping?
@@dslily make sure you bump the price up if you get any offers
They 100% are just cashing in on a wave of noobs googling "best sorc build poe 2"
They are advertising false results, their channel clearly says they focus on Monster Hunter.
Unsure why one hour of absolute yap about "outrage culture" has anything to do with them getting caught pushing unoriginal, trash builds as their own.
I dont disagree but i think there are a lot of OG Poe content creators that do the exact same thing. I dont really care about the thumbnails and titles, as long as the info said in the actual video is not false. Lets be honest anyone who puts "best" when talking about farming strats are lying because we have no data to know what is best. One node could legit be disabled for all we know and it just sounds better but in reality it does nothing. Without testing we dont know.
@@Mas-ij3ti They also get called out for it... LITERALLY IN THE SAME VIDEO...
PoE if anything calls out content creators too often for this. This idiot being held to a standard of honesty isn't gatekeeping or uncalled for.
@@imnotme1657 Not at all. I saw the video and 3 creators were called out. While i know of multiple creators who have been making content for YEARS for Poe 1. Creators that are actual Diddy predators on noob players. Im no fan of Rage Gaming, he made shit D4 content as well. However i dont think he is even top 5 of most disgusting Poe creators.
@@Mas-ij3ti So what's your point? You want more callouts? Or nobody should ever be called out because not everyone can be called out? Not sure what you're even trying to say.
@ Lily said Rage Gaming was the most egregious example, this is false. Just like when rage said “best build”. So both are liars and Lily is a hypocrite until corrected. It’s hilarious to call out a liar while also lying in your callout 🤡
The issue for me is that they overproduce slop content for a game and flood the algorythm with bs information. Almost 800 videos on D4 alone and most are out of date by now but no attempt to TELL the viewer it's out of date to create a rabit hole to farm ad rev.
Nobody makes 4 videos a day on a subject for two weeks and can be considered an expert on the subject. If I made 4 videos a day for a month on how to speak French, I still wouldn't be fluent in the language.
Rage doesn't know what they're talking about.
the one you called out was actually promoting RMT, they were even sponsored that if you use their code thing in their video. They recently removed those videos after the hacking issues
Should have titled the video "BEST PoE 2 Drama - RageGaming Doubles Down On Being A Lying Game Tourist"
I stopped playing POE1 for like a year after I followed a bad build guide as a new player. Basically just deleted like 25 hrs of my life
it almost happened to me, my first build was from "path of exile builds" and maaaaan that was stinky af, fortunately i found ziz, aer0 and pal and everything went smoothly
It is insane to me that PoE is so bad as a game that people need to follow the guide from the first hour of playing it; otherwise, they don't enjoy the game. It is such a bad game design that I cannot understand the phenomenon of this. It is ridiculous. If you cannot play the game without following the guide from someone else, then why even play it?
@@patryktomczyk822 cry more
@@patryktomczyk822 diablo 4 is for you buddy
@@patryktomczyk822 because the games actually fun when u have a good build lol but i get ur point
28:16 he got comments about this same thing in d4 about a chain lightning build and said the same thing "its the best one i could make so i titled it *new best build* "
For some reason I can't stop RUclips from recommending their channel since last year. They are everything you just said since D4 or before. And they're dellusional.
It's wild that they actually answered and then tried to play the victim. That's hilarious.
I'll admit they got me with their click bait titles and I watched a few POE2 videos only to find out what they were pushing was mids.
I followed a RageGaming video for poe2 and now my game is stuck on the Capcom loading screen, what do I do?
Not the first time i've heard this about Rage Gaming. They also had some similar accusations over some of their FromSoftware videos. I think it was some Elden Ring builds or something. They always have those cringe ass titles with clickbait phrases like "DO THIS NOW" or "Most broken build" or "get OP FAST!"
They do remind me of Fextralife, another huge channel with lacking builds
They are the same in the MH community. Their MH build videos are 90% yapping, 5% build showcasing through yapping, 5% outro.
They do the same thing with MH
Yup. They got destroyed for their Elden ring content. Same with monster hunter.
The ultimate word vomit channel.
Blows my fkn mind that they have over a million subs.
Ppl are incredibly stupid.
@@Mystra I'm thinking back, but I don't remember any of Fextra's builds claiming to be "the best". For ER anyway, they were typically themed builds, which were actually interesting to me.
Holy crap that guy's description for his video is like every possible buzzword possible to massage search results.
Man knows where his bread is buttered lol.
That's not bad if it still comes with good content? That's for spreading their video, which every youtubers want, some doesn't care as much, but still it's what everyone wants when they do youtube for a job. Problem, again, imo is it needs to be backed by good info/content, not shitty pieces of shit
It's called keyword stuffing, and it's against ToS. If people actually reported them for this kind of thing, we wouldn't be where we are, today.
Most people on the platform do that they will never ever punish people for that
@@GrandpaJay1 maybe just make good content. If they made 1 good video instead of 5 shitty ones they would get the same # views but better viewer retention.
Ragegaming sucks.. they also lack the skills to narrate without sounding like a moron.
Can't do anything about that lol That's their capacity.
Safe to say some of us realize that nothing is the “best” yet.
2k base es CI is big brain gaming
They are cooking and everyone is starving.
Give him a break ... he thought CI stood for Ctr inclusion.
I'm new to Poe, but isn't he using MoM as well with that 4k mana pool
I'm gonna make the algorithm love this video because this is the absolute pinnacle of pointless baby drama for dumb idiots. Which is great, because I am a dumb idiot that loves baby drama.
This is the best kind of drama. Completely pointless. Good stupid fun drama.
RageGaming has the best atlas tree, best builds, best thumbnails, best infinite currencies, he's the bestmeister
I read baitmeister the first time
If you aint clickbaiting you aint trying. Even Lily is clickbaiting
@Omer-di1bl The problem isn't clickbait. It's clickbait combined with the content being the polar opposite. Yes DS Lily clickbaits but her builds are the best or close to at least. RageGamingVideos builds are average to straight up bad. All clickbait are not made equally. So yes nice try but u fail.
@@Mystra I tried and failed at what? There is no such thing as "the best" thats why people often use it as their titel as clickbait which in my opinion nothing wrong with that. I used ragegaming builds and now doing tier 16 maps fine. Your hate makes no sense. Your negative vibes are just cringe
@Omer-di1bl You failed at understanding the difference between clickbait of one creator to another, and you still do. Your RageGamingVideos build are definitely not doing tier 16 maps just fine unless you have godly gear or changed the build. We have already proven that his builds are bad, that he gives wrong advice, so nothing you say will change things.
8:04 Anyone else notice the comment in upper left corner from ShingoRS? Even their own supporters call RageGaming out
as a new viewer of this drama i heard it from kripp.. even when lily posts builds as best she even says who made the build. But when Rage does best build but it is suppose to be best cheap/for beginners that is not said anywhere at all... Like come on
Ragegaming citing comments is wild when they have one of the most heavily doctored comment sections since D4 launch 🤣
Any criticism gets mass deleted while they continually prop up comments like "wow this build is sick, great guide!" from bot#372 (account created today).
This is very true
You weren't wrong. They did make a video where they said to post it low and keep raising it, and it wasn't the one you watched in this video. I saw it the other day and laughed.
That method is not wrong. But its scummy. I did that too when i first started than end up at the receiving end of it and hated it so much.
@jeffxie6334 Scummy = wrong. Contradicted yourself.
@@ShellXell He doesn't mean wrong morally. The strategy works, so it is a correct way to price items. It's just an extremely scummy way to do it.
@@CurrySage Still wrong. Start low and run the risk of only one person actually seeing it and whispering means running the risk of selling it too low because of a false sense of correct pricing. Start high and that one person might see it and be willing to pay higher because it is what they want.
Honestly, there are so many videos that are 9 minutes of "my father was a man, that's all we know" and 1 minute of actual information..
Rage does not understand that Poe build makers get roasted if theyr build is 30% sub optimal. so if u come to poe and be like rage , u will be fuckdover
Yeah, the fact that he didn't know to expect something like this ... proves he's a tourist lol
Saw gazzys take on your vid and immediately came to check you out - subd almost immediately
Stop glazing weirdo lmfao
Same lol
@@dustinrollins8559 same same
he PoE content creation community has a responsibility to maintain high standards, which sometimes means being selective about what is promoted or endorsed. When creators like RageGaming produce misleading 'best builds' or 'best farming methods' videos, it can harm new players by giving them inaccurate expectations or strategies. A bit of 'gate-keeping,' in the sense of holding creators accountable for the accuracy and quality of their content, is necessary to preserve the integrity of the community and ensure new players have a positive experience.
Build guides that are made to be copied (vast majority of POE content) teach you nothing about fundamental game concepts, so they add nothing of value to someone's experience except a playable build & they most likely gained 0 non-build specific knowledge so I'm not sure if this is a good benchmark to use.
@@LeanChino Trash opinion
@@LeanChino you are wrong on so many levels
@@LeanChinothat’s not necessarily true, if you are introduced to a build that works then you at the bare minimum have a reference point for something that is good even if you don’t understand the mechanics behind it. Contrast this by a player who goes in blind and can’t beat the act 2 end boss because their homebrew build is shit so they end up just quitting.
If you're just calling somebody out on incorrect statements, that's not gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is setting standards for what is acceptable in a pool of valid information. Information that is presented as a fact with verifiable accuracy which doesn't stand up to verification is *never* acceptable to begin with, it should never enter anyone's consideration.
I can't stop laughing at the screenshots of random yt comments drooling over them lmao
100% Bots
"Click HERE for the BEST ULTRA FARM GUIDE!"
"Woah woah woah, we don't know what the best ultra farming is, we're just casual fam. Don't be so gatekeep"
I play PoE, D4 and Monster Hunter games and I've always hated the slop RageGaming pumps out. Thanks for calling them out on their bs, they're honestly so annoying to see in my search results whenever I see them.
Just imagine Chess was a new game they were covering and then Magnus calls them out on their "best strats".
Holy. They print random thank yous, probably from players not knowing much more than them themselves, all over the effing screen, then delete comments they don't like, all the while complaining about being a victim of misinformation, not the cause of it.
Call it gatekeeping, but it's annoying seeing trash content being posted all over the place. new kids on the block trying to shit up the place? get out of here.
@@LongX49 nah, it isn't gatekeeping, there's a lot of content creators that came from D4 and most of them aren't this shitty
@@Capitan_Captain No, it is gatekeeping, and it's not a bad thing. Gatekeeping is GOOD, and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
@christerjakobsen8107 it isn't good, games and studios need to grow their player base to maintain themselves. And it isn't gatekeeping, it's calling out a trio of liars.
@@Capitan_Captain Question, what do you call it when you show the door to bad faith actors in your hobby?
Rax is relatively new and he‘s better than many veteran poe1 content creators.
I am the best 100 meter sprinter in the world...
Among me and my 4 casual friends that has never trained running a day in our lives and meet up for one race every 14 years.
Thanks for your work Lily. I recently got back into PoE 2 after having burnout from PoE 1, and your channel has helped me a lot. You're super fun and you bring a lot of knowledge about the game.
I watched their Invoker build video as a Cold Invoker who is sorta in T15 maps. There are some real head-scratchers in there. I've gotten to where I am by doing about 95% of Skyrah's build on Maxroll which is pretty gear demanding. I categorically don't understand taking the Spirit from body armor ascendancy node but NOT taking the armor gain from it. The extra survivability is very noticeable. I haven't even done my 3rd trial yet and I'm on T15s. That's how strong that Armor ascendancy node is for tankiness. Also, talks about stacking Crit and then completely skips over the CRIT NODE RIGHT AFTER THE OPENING SECTION in favor of grabbing ES nodes in the caster section to the north? Like what?! I don't know.
You dont actuqlly need that node because energy/es is already a pretty good defensive layer but alm9st garunteed they're not actually doing anything worthwhile with the extra point lol
I don't know the situation but Rage Gaming is seriously bad click bait. I subscribed and then unsubsidized a week later because all of their Diablo 4 videos said something in the title that was never mentioned in the video.
This is the drama we were all craving
Why are you posting meaningless comments instead of a merc video? Back to the sweatshop with you. Away I say.
This RageGaming's video is just like PoE's passive skill tree.... going into literally every direction possible.
Perhaps we will see moist n asmon react farm this react lol.
@@jeffxie6334 asmon probably. Moist usually focusses on bigger things.
Lily, the moment he started talking about the witcher 4 I knew he was a professional liar. He will never admit he is wrong.
Never thought lily would be the one to revive the content cop series
Crazy how I clicked a poe video and ended up with Witcher 4 content.
Ty for this content, I just need a new one of these to listen to each time I make an alt and I'll never complain about doing the acts again
How to know RageGaming isn't worth listening to: They make three videos a day.
They made one video about a comically strong build for BG3 like a year ago that was actually quite good if I recall correctly. No idea if it was their own original build, though. Abjuration wizard with Duelist's Prerogative if I recall correctly. I think I used it and it kicked ass.
Lily was 💯 clear about the 80% build power drama being non drama, being that the only common example of drama and it's not even real drama. The guy completely missed the point of that comment.
Lilly did what every small content creators do...stirs up drama from shit that have been on YT for years.
@AnghelVick lmao nice bait 🤣🤣 good try tho
@@MannersPlease It's not bait. It is actual and proven known that some content creator stir up drama to get attention, clicks and traffic on the internet about their channel, evenmore going after bigger channels, because guess what, bigger channells names appear faster on Google search. You've been living under a rock or something?!
@@AnghelVick it's proven and known that some commenters love to write meaningless garbage that lacks any sort of factual basis while sniffing their own farts.
In B4 "I know you are but what am I 😭"
"I tittle the best because is the best i can made" DUDE. DUUUUUDEEEE
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LMAO ragegaming just keeps raging, i hope lily will make creator cop a series
i see why he is called rage gaming because listening to him makes me angry >:(
Love that theyve updated the pinned comment on their vid. Clearly hadn't learnt from Disney and didn't realise telling people not to watch their content isn't the best PR.
thank you lily for calling people like this out I fell for a bad build and now im paying for it heavily, I made it better some how but the glaring flaws ruin my experience to the point where I just dont have fun anymore and im stuck till I farm up a bunch of divs:/
If you have to farm for divs then you indeed fell for a horrible build.
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@@Thighsupremacy9909 well not really that bad I just picked a cool build and didnt check the price for the amy and most ive seen are 40 div so even a shity usable one is gonna be pricey
every part of this is straight savage and i love it. good on you for calling out clickbait trash. thanks queen lol
being a completely new player i hated PoE2 even more after following all these guides from high subscriber counts and nothing worked. Then i finally found a small creator and followed his advice and i started to enjoy the game
@ 39:05ish, i noticed that the portals in the video look like they spell out "pog". Whats wrong with me.
As someone who played for 11 years, it is annoying to see people click baiting with absolute words like "best" when they're actually very far from it. I don't like drama, but I forced myself to watch this to support the side that I thought was most likely right in this. I won't be watching Rage's, I don't need that for my own well being and peace of mind. If they had said in their reply they'd stop using absolutes incorrectly for views rather than the opposite, I'd reconsider. Creds for owning up to the 80%, I'd say that's a fair assessment too.
You have personality! I love it! I got silenced by RagingShitGames because I pointed out bait thumbs. Don't take a single centimeter back!!
It was on the video he titile: "Get level 100 FAST AND EASY". It was 3 days ago (20 days from launch) as we had no level 100 in softcore.... actualy I think we have one level 100 today (dec,28,2024)
25 videos a day with time to spare to respond to your criticism. where does this muppet find the time to do anything else? like... how many hours can you put into learning the game itself if you're spending all that time pumping out content slop?
There are channels made with several people and they churn out videos like its some slop factory.
If anything, its possible the guy speaking doesn't even play PoE, his only job is to just read a teleprompter because his voice sounds okay.
It's easy to make content when you put no effort/time into researching whether the information you're putting out is correct, and just ramble through 1/2-2/3 of the video about unrelated shit.
It's always the same pattern with these types. They mislead and have shady practices for money. The second they are called out, they get on their high horse and make a public announcement addressing the "bullies and harassment ". Then, they proceed to create a victim narrative that contradicts their actions.
This the best videos I have ever come cross and I have 0 idea what game you guys talking about but thanks for making this my best day of my life!
PoE is one of the worse games to try and meme your way though making videos for, every player with experience can tell so quickly when you have no idea what you are talking about.
When he said his videos are not trying to be for the ultra end game grinders i just had to pause, it is new players that need to most information not just some vague ideas.
The videos for turbo juicers are usually like "yo here is my PoB, im not going to explain anything." and don't even have a proper title for the video.
The Gatekeeping is the exact opposite, we want people to enjoy the game the same way we have. If a newplayer gets frustrated and quits they can miss out on really experiencing the game, that is why the community cradles new players so much.
I’ve been playing Poe for years. I subbed to them back in beginning of d4. I watched some of their poe2 stuff and threw up. So much misinformation it was crazy. I unsubbed before all this drama but I said the same shit as you Lilly.
They had the most terrible videos for D4 as well, people just would not notice because of how easy D4 is lmao.
@@Mas-ij3ti yup 100% agree
@@Bandit-db5wg They obviously just make a bunch of content for games that are hyped up to make money with horrible clickbait titles etc. But after watching a couple of their Poe 2 videos i dont think the actual videos are as bad as the title and thumbnails suggest. So maybe i have to take a step back and say they are clickbait and money grabbers, but maybe not 100% wrong all the time.
FYI, their Monster Hunter content is also laughably inaccurate and filled with bad advice.
True!
They don't check the website because that's not playing the game and thus not fun.
I rarely ever check the trade site, but if I get swarmed, I'll raise the price once before I check. Two swarms? Pull it, check, and then put it appropriately but at the lowest price so it still gets sold. Or if someone whispers a price, I'll sell it to them but ask how much they think it's worth as part of the sale so I learn and still offload.
I had this happen to a quiver. I got an extremely desperate PM wanting it, so instead of raising it by 10 ex, I went to trade to research if it was really valuable. I found out it was at least 1-2 div but I slammed it twice and got 6 Div for it. Using Rages method I would have lost tons of currency and taken 2 hours to keep raising the price over and over.
I think it's good when creators have opinions about other creators. If you're a new player who doesn't have clue who to follow you can take those opinions and make your own decision if you wanna trust them or not. However if they're intentionally misleading people for views or just have a really bad understanding of the game in general is hard to say. They might actually think that the methods they're propagating are in fact the best ones
I'm fairly confident RageGaming is making a youtube career off rage baiting.
I mean it's in his name, yet here we are people still falling for it.
Here's the thing though lily. You titled your own video "content cop" in the veins of the old iDubbz videos, but failed to do what he did: Show examples. Skipping around in a video twice and then shitting all over the channel isn't good enough.
And I'm not trying to pick a side here: I'm trying to explain how to definitely proof to people that you're right. Your simps will just nod and yes, the RageGaming simps will just screech at you and say you're wrong.
What you want are the people in the middle who aren't convinced either way. And I'm not, except the titles being super clickbaity nonsense, there's way worse examples out there like that Majestic dude and others making way worse content.
Why did you not mention channels that showcase Skeletal Sniper builds, using the gas cloud command skill that also put brutality support into them. LIke THAT'S what I expect your last video to be about. That's a specific example. That can be shown, with a clip, talked about, and is actual proof.
Edit: 37:00 makes my case for me. If you had shown clips you would have noticed your own error, so now you look like a complete clown, spreading bullshit, because the guy never just said "put it for 1 ex and up it", he was explaining multiple ways to do it. And you can disagree, and I do too because the people relisting their 1ex items is annoying. But it's not the slam-dunk you think it was, quite the opposite. Because it makes you look gatekeepy and toxic more than it makes him look bad.
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Been playing POE now for about a couple years and I lost my soul to POE and probably pushing 1500 hours now. After watching Ghazzy cover you - I love your content and no BS straight forwardness. You have earned my subscription!
One thing I appreciate a lot in the PoE space as a new player is how connected everyone seems. All the streamers ive watched regularly makes references like you know eachother really well all the time, in comparasion to WoW where im from and people just WHO eachother outside of some friend-circles. Makes me a lot more inclined to listen to the undeniably better part of the community over these farm channels like Rage who I did use to look to a few years back. Cant even recall what game it was but this kinda channel used to be useful for that.
That said Im not even using guides for now, but probably will at some point when the game fully releases. When that happens, I know where to look now at least. For some reason your reactions to him yapping endlessly was more entertaining than the actual drama parts. Editing this to say I fuckin lied, him deleting the comment in realtime was insane
36:00 No, you weren't wrong. He straight up says in his video that if you list an item and get a *wall* of messages, to relist it for more. And then keep doing that until the messages slow down. That's *disgusting* etiquette, and you're wasting the buyer's time. If you offer something for a price, and someone messages you willing to pay that price, *SELL THEM THE EFFING ITEM* on a first come, first served basis. Path of Exile 2 has a terrible problem with messaging people from the trade site and never getting a response. Some of them are busy doing content and can't respond, but some of them are following this terrible, extremely rude advice. It's gross, he should feel gross, and you were right to call it out.
@KK-fs8rm Nobody owes you anything. Click the next item buddy. How entitled are you that you think if I price my item wrong, I just have to give it to you because you clicked a box. If you promp me to buy an item, and I get 3 other promps at the same time, I'm raising the price by what I think is reasonable.
this is exactly why they need an in game market. list your item for x price, someone finds and buys it. instead of the infinite merry-go-round of scrubs baiting items for lower prices. Granted I think the prices are generally WAY TOO high.
@@omglimepieright it's basic supply and demand. Bro experiences this daily in real life but wants to get mad cause it's seeping into the game that keeps him from showering
first time playing the game bud ?
Thats just basic PoE pricing tactic, smartest traders have been doing that in PoE for the better part of a decade. But I wouldn't say exactly the same, we don't keep bit by bit increasing the price until messages slow down. We put every item from maps into a quad tab that has a low price for all items, and then price check the items that get spammed about and price them accordingly right away.
Yea his method is much lazier and wastes more peoples time.
And now we wait for Ghazzy to react to this reaction. Great content while waiting for Jonathan to find his hammer :)
@@induecourse7235 he's was waiting for Santa to give it to him, now he's waiting to try it on the new year
Oh he's building up that supercharge slam alright. Can't wait for the first major patch of next year.
18:45 "a funny parallel? it's not parallel. It's like... Aeadewowa"
That's not the main issue with trade. If this were the case you would only see it with items listed recently. The issue is people put items up for sale, leave them out there, and never even intend on responding. There are a ton of items that have been listed for hours/days and people just won't respond. Generally people don't want to respond unless it's a high value item.
Ever since 2018 I've know those guys, and always thought their content was in fact diarrea, just by the thumbnails. I just got into POE universe, but as a hardcore veteran of Monster Hunter I can guarantee RageGaming are absolute amateurs, prioritizing quantity over quality. Their audience are basically dads, and NPCs. You got my sub just for calling them out, and on top you're hot and intelligent? Bravo!
Regarding "build gatekeeping" -theme: When i was new in PoE1, I took advices from "good builds", respecced fully into them and spent all currency. Few times it just led into situation where my entire build was bricked, I was broke and it was more or less impossible for me to progress anymore (until I farmed for all stuff I needed to fix it). I just want to say thanks to all "gatekeepers" who are there to help out with builds pointing out what works and what does not.
I went over to his video to read the comments and so many of the ones defending Rage say "as a new player, I thought the videos were great and informative!". It blows my mind how dense some people are.
As someone who doesn't know Structural Engineering, I think the bridge plans you submitted are great. If the bridge collapses later on when it gets stressed, it's not a big deal.
@@WiLDRAGE777 As a new bridge user, I enjoyed my crossing experience. Nothing seems off to me, the extreme swaying and loud snapping noises were a calming experience. 10/10 keep up the good work!
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nobody wrote stupid comments or harassed them is just blatantly false. half the responses to anything about build videos has a ton of people shitting on him, because of lily. this entire situation is bad for the game. we dont need drama in the poe cc sphere. his videos arent different than 90% of what people have posted about poe 1 AND poe 2. this whole thing blowing up into this drama is not helpful. there has been and always will be, a massive range of content between people who just dont know whats going on, all the way to people like pohx. lily just toxic here tbh. not about defending rage, the toxicity is just not good for the game.
Wait wait wait wait...the footage is a CI build with 2.1k ES? REALLY? Like...sure they've got Grim Feast up but I have more ES and Life than that on my scuffed Chayula monk.
Are all the people watching lily like this? You're aware that this is a CI MOM build? Now be a good one and add up ES and Mana for me.
@@grimkhor arent you cheerful
Which is still bad w 3k mana... @@grimkhor I'm scared to go CI w 6K mana and 4k ES MoM
@@FontayFlameTV What has CI to do with that? To even get to 6k mana you need multi divine gear. To get to 4k+ mana with capped chaos res is even harder. Not actually sure you play the game if you prefer running without chaos res or how you get 4k+ mana with max chaos res and damage. Someone doesn't play PoE 2 I feel and is talking about PoE 1 numbers.
@@PopersIRL At least I'm not lying to dunk on other people maybe some people should look in the mirror before logging on the internet.