@@user-zp4ge3yp2o there’s some theories that since it clones enemies it sometimes messes up and spawns them double, but recognises it only as one squad of specialists spawned, this can happen multiple times. Then again it might be intentional for auric level gameplay idk But as someone with at the very least passing programming knowledge it’s quite possible that the program doubles up on accident
@@Stiftoad maybe, it's not just on auric, I've noticed groups of 10 gunners appearing even on heresy too. to be honest though it spices things up, a pair of gunner you just shoot immediately, six gunners forces you to seek cover
@@user-zp4ge3yp2o aye I’d have expected a widespread statement by now regarding them patching it but I’m starting to think it’s a deliberate behaviour. It’s just crazy how bipolar the game gets it’s almost like it knows to spawn the bathshit waves right when you’re about to split up so they arrive just on time to catch you off guard. That said I’m not opposed to a real hard difficulty mode it’s just a shame that heresy is a walk in the park while auric maelstrom takes you by the nuts and slams you into a wall I don’t mind failing but I’d like a higher difficulty where you can still reasonably clutch up (I’m plasteel deficient)
Honestly im not upset that there isnt gonna be a genestealer cult, at least not yet. I like how the Moebian 6th are getting fleshed out and really i cant be mad after Wolfer dropped that bomb ass speech. I really wanna see more of what he does and his beef with Morrow.
Honestly, I'm 100% fine with if not stoked to be wrong. It means there's lots of other details to uncover. And I agree, one of my favorite things in this game so far is how Fatshark has really brought the concept of competing propaganda in the battle for the soul of Tertium to life!
we need orkz i tells ya we gets dem greenies in fighting dem spiky bois and we get a 3 way battles be glorious like the big party... uh i mean the human crusafe.
Oh, I haven't. I'm holding off until we see what comes in Part 2 of The Traitor Curse, but there's a LOT of info in Wyrmwood's voxes that if left unresolved I still think points to Xenos more than Daemons. Plus, there's the major Zola thread hanging, and I have a feeling The Traitor Curse isn't going to have our answers about her.
I’ve heard fatshark has outright stated that nids won’t come in any shape But I haven’t seen any direkt statements myself Nids would be sick but as long as we get more content I’m not too fussed about what it is
Im sure Genestealer is a shoe in for a later premium dlc. I mean the faction is almost too perfect to not include in a tide game. If xenos are spotted in secundus there are only a few candidates for that that can be kept on the down low. GSC is the only one of those with an army list so Id reckon if gw is having to approve selections theyd be pushing GSC for secondary sales.
I love that Chaos Undivided idea, it never occurred to me! The cult says "For Nurgle!" but the scabs say "For the sixth!" and none of their troops are specifically Nurgle flavoured. I could see other chaos cults being forced to break cover due to the plague and invasion then working with the 6th to seize other parts of Tertium. I do hope we see some Plaguebearers too though.
The fact Fatshark put the symbol front and center in the logo really caught my attention. Either it means something, or they just went on "rule of cool." XD
@@Jo.Plays.Games. Often the rule of cool does take precedence, if the artist liked the look and wasn't thinking about meaning, but I do really like your idea.
they were talking about having enemy factions fighting each other. might be interesting to add some other chaos cults that might fight each other or team up depending on which god and the scabs are willing to team up with everyone. add a tzeentch cult and maybe the nurgle and tzeentch cults fight each other abut don't fight with the traitor guard.
Many of the Moebian troups have the three dot symbol of Nurgle for eyes (the gunners and the crushers). Could still be undivided but with a strong Nurgle focus.
show me a human world that *doesn't* have a few genestealers secreted away in some dark corner... for better or worse, the genestealers were made specifically for humanity, the implications of which have so far gone mostly unappreciated by the greater galaxy.
fun point about Carnival of Chaos, speaking of them they actually did get a minor appearance in Vermintide 2's Shadows over Bogenhafen DLC. You don't actually get to fight them, but there's a nod to them during the end of the first mission in that DLC. At the end of the first mission, while you're trying to escape after burning down a storehouse full of plagued food, there's green fireworks going off in the main city that you can see from a distance. It seems kind of strange that the fireworks would be going off while its clear that the town has been (rather subtly) overrun by NURGLITE MARAUDERS and skaven. They don't directly say it, and the Ubersreik 5 are nowhere near aware of what is happening and seem to think that its just the town being blissfully ignorant of what is transpiring, but I definitely think that it means that the Carnival of Chaos has indeed shown up in a Fatshark game before. Plus, it would make sense given the mission after seems to go into the main town, and its definitely clear there wasn't much fighting back done and the question of "how in blazes MARAUDERS of all things got into the town unseen" is still lingering in the air.
Now, I thought the Olesya Dispatch they put out regarding a carnival put the kibosh on it being the actual Carnival of Chaos, because Saltzpyre insisted on marching around to look for signs of HERESY and found none. Then again, he does hang around with a witch, so maybe he's as thorough as we'd like to think....
I propose that the demon hosts float slowly around portions of the map, the static position makes them boring and not that threatening. Having there voices get louder and them float towards a horde encounter would be intimidating
That could be fun! I really think they need a more threatening enemy that stalks you throughout the maps (which is what I was hoping a Lictor would do....)
@@errantvice7335and nurgal is only able to buff melee. Yet we have scabs. The tzeench cultists tend to favor mid range shooting and psychic yes, but they are still chaos. They are going to do melee. I'm mostly curious to see how they incorporate enemy psychers. We've seen leeches before in Vermin tide but they have already expanded a lot on player psychic talents so I'm excited either way.
Awww, thanks! The kitties are good boys that are fuzzy and freeloaders, so they might as well make special guest appearances for me. I haven't lost hope. Unless a LOT of details that explain not only Wyrmwood vox details, but also the new Zola hanging thread, I'm 100% still on the "Genestealers are totally coming" train. There's just too many details that still point to it. But for now.......Plaguebearers!
@@Jo.Plays.Games. yeah I bet the final vox is a misdirect so they can drop some daemons and then later find out there were genestealers all along and the hints were for them.
I think I'm remember reading somewhere that Plaguebearer might already arrive on Atoma Prime. Since a horn skull that similar to it's head can be found in one of the map.
At 10 seconds into the video you earned my sub. I have gone back and watched through nearly all of your videos and have decided your channel will be how I introduce my sister and her husband and anybody else who's willing into 40k specifically for darktide. I hope you continue your analyses of each update as you're going to likely be my new source for darktide breakdowns and recaps. Keep up the fantastic work!
Just a thought: remember is Space Marine when cultists sometimes would explode into a demon? What if THAT starts happening? Just killing a horde when one of the 6th just exploded into a lesser daemon of Nurgle…
I'm hoping for possibly an alpha class Psyker that's running the show. Chaos space marines have been known to run with them. Maybe there is an artifact on Atoma that Abaddon is interested in and has sent reinforcements to facilitate. The Mobian 6th have "returned" from somewhere in which they were "redeemed", so maybe they were in service to the Black Legion and have proven worthy. It's cool to imagine the directions in which it could take.
You have such a good sense of what footage to show to complement what you're talking about. To me this is the best emerging Darktide content channel. I heard a voice line from my body guard ogryn today, he said he heard a rumor somebodies (I didn't hear who's over the combat) brain had been replaced with a Necron brain! I'm sure it's 100% true.
The cinematic was kickass. This shows how dangerous well trained traitor forces can be. Granted the Moebian 21st that we’re trying to hold the line aren’t the best, we can give them points for trying. While I’m not sure if we’ll see genestealer cultists, it’s possible we’ll meet another chaos cult and that could lead to infighting for control of the planet.
I am still pretty sure we're getting genestealers, in fact, I'm even more convinced because there's a genestealer rock grinder in the new map. Also I'm pretty sure the Wyrmwood we encountered is not the Wyrmwood we got in the other vox casts. I don't think they're the same voice actress AND all of the agents are called Wyrmwood agents. So sit tight, I am pretty sure they're on the way!
I thought the traitor curse was their addiction to stims, as thats the objective of the new mission. This would be an interesting allegory with that carnival, portraying drugs as something that is fun but leads to ruin(ous powers)
Well the intro to the Carnival level is that you're going in to extract a sample of the drugs to bring back for analysis, specifically because they suspect it's tainted with pox. It could be it's the drug we've seen the ragers, mutants, and chaos spawns have attached to them on their backs.
Darktide doing these updates and getting this attention is much better than what people think the reason is darktide engine is super solid and optimized this gives the studio to mess around with more physics and more on screen characters like hordes mark my WORDS they WILL include a spacemarine at least via easter egg or playable dlc with space marine 2 coming out i called it early so excited for 40k right now dont even get me started on henry 😅
Like any game, Fatshark is imperfect. But in a world of $60-$80 games that bleed you for every red cent to get basic content, I can't sing Fatshark's praises enough. They're one of the good ones.
A shame it wasn't Genestealers but they may come some day. In the meantime, I suspect we'll be getting Plaguebearers, and based on the cranky voice in the last Wyrmwood transmit as well as the sound of the bell - a Poxbringer.
So after watching this video decided to go check out what Fatshark was saying, particularly in their 'carnival level design' dev-blog. And got to say I'm getting some serious Khornate vibes. From the sinister red glow seen in a number of screenshot, sure it could be neon lighting and mist/smog considering its essentially an entertainment district but the neon-lights could have easily been a different color than red. Then its talking about brawlers and fighting pits, entertainment district could point towards any of the four if taken from the right perspective but that immediate focus on combat that would point more toward Khorne. Then there is the line 'The glory is short-lived however as blood lust corrupts.'. That line more than any other points towards Khorne in my head, the idea of blood lust corrupting. Next part is talking about murder cults, off the top of my head that is usually in (40k) reference to one of 4 gods. Khaine (which while possible I kinda doubt as in 40k he's Eldar exclusive), the Emperor (When you have a religion that barely tolerates the existence of certain people your gonna get groups of fanatics who see it as their divine mission to eradicate such, though such are usually referred to as deathcults rather than 'murder' cults), Slaanesh (Chasing the high and thrill of the kill, seeking perfection in their art of murder) and Khorne. Considering this is being set in the middle of an entertainment district it could easily be Slaanesh, simply based off sheer location but again I reckon its pointing more towards Khorne.
They really seem to be leaning into the Undivided angle with design themes. Khorne would be a lot of fun. The amphitheater seems to be something like a gladiator combat arena, too.
I did think it was weird so many creators were obsessed with the genestealer angle when there is soooooo much more to chaos and daemons. Given fatsharks choice of chaos and nurgle as their key protagonist, when set in a hive city, genestealer cults would have been the obvious choice… it also seemed obvious they probably wanted more choice in the basic framework of their villain choices.
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Dont worry personally i think Genestealers are gonna be a thing in Darktide eventually, but most probably is that we are gonna have to wait for it theres just too much info about them inside game to ignore them. When i heard the last msg from Wyrmwood my mind went to a Chaos Sorcecer for his way of Speaking and the steps accompanied by a metalic sound that kinda reminded me a staff, gave me the Dawn of war chaos sorcecer vibes. so im pretty eager to see the second part of this event xD
Amongst the graffiti in-game, we can see Skaven iconography (Vermintide reference), various Nurgle icons, but most importantly the Word Bearers icon. Word Bearers are chaos undivided aligned but work with Nurgle ALOT for the initial subjugation of a planet. Typically the first thing before a Word Bearers assault occurs is that they will infect the planet with Nurgley diseases to weaken the defenses as well as creating an initial army out of the populace of a planet.
I like the way you are thinking. I figured we weren't getting a new faction without a paid for dlc. I like the daemons take as they have been noticably absent and could really open up gameplay. I was kinda sad when the Carnival of Chaos concept wasn't utilized more but Mordheim is a separate IP so GW makes developers pay a separate fee if they want to use material from that IP.
Fatshark isn't a perfect game company, but they're usually VERY generous with updates and what would normally be paid DLC from other companies. The Carnival of Chaos isn't even technically the canon anymore, I think GW changed it to Carnival of Nurgle because Carnival of Chaos featured none of the other gods and was confusing. I'm hopeful given its age and questionable canon status, it's being utilized.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. I get it, Chaos wastes and the latest map packs have been great FLC for VT2. I'm just looking back, we didn't get WoC until VT2 launched, we had to get WoM for the Beastmen etc. The Carnival of Chaos/Nurgle was a Warhammer Fantasy thing so I don't think it was ever represented in WH40k. So on second thought FS can really do whatever they want to with the concept. But I really like the Undivided take for the Carnival of Chaos because FS pretty much has the entire Daemons of Chaos and CSM rosters at their disposal. People are looking for more challenge in the late game, adding in lesser daemons as elites or specialists would be a great way to accomplish this and you can add some new bosses in for greater variety.
A friend of mine caught it so I can’t take credit for noticing, but they *did* put a Goliath Truck in the middle of the path on the new map. It’s the big truck with a bulldozer blade on the front of it. Now the amusing part is that lore-wise Goliath Trucks are actually pretty common to the Imperium, but in the tabletop game it’s specifically seen used by Genestealer Cults. Even if the Wyrmwood in the vox comms was caught by Chaos I have a feeling that a lot of what they pointed out was still related to Genestealer Cults. Or at the very least Fatshark is leaning heavily into baiting us into thinking it’s GSC. :P
I saw that! I'm waiting for Part 2 of the Traitor Curse to wrap and see what trickles of info we get before I do more Genestealer speculating atm. I really hope we're not just getting trolled.
I'm not sure on Tyranids/Genesteslers being out of the question. Nurgle has no known stealth units in general. I think it's still possible she was hunted by a lictor or maybe a Genestesler Primus, (which is an assassin cultist that uses smell as well) but captured or killed by a Chaos enemy as she was far too focused on the hunt. It's not the first time Chaos has taken advantage of one's stresses and perils to take their soul, it's a staple move of them at times.
I definitely think they're still coming in the future. With a title like "The Traitor Curse," I feel the focus is gonna be on the Moebians, Wolfer, and the consequences of turning. They have no idea the horrors the gods will inflict on their own followers, and almost no one escapes it.
You know, it would be cool if they could make a contest for introducing a new hive fleet that would be responsible for a Genestealer Cult. This way they would be more unique from other cults, sort of how the Moebian 6th is not like other traitor bands. I had my own cult and hive fleet planned out! Sad how they kinda built up that Wyrmwood hunting arc for just more daemon stuff, though. Hopefully like you said, maybe they will get a bit of love after this expansion is over!
1 - let me answer your question with another question: Loyalists or Traitor Legion? 2 - I have a big soft spot for Skitarii and Tzeentch. I need to try more armies, though!
In the Eisenhorn series by Dan Abnett, there is a carnival that has ties to heretical groups. and there is also a traveling carnival in the book Hereticus that also has suspicious actions taking place.
So perhaps we were wrong on the Genestealers.. But there's another interesting potential that has far less dire consequences. Drukhari raiders. There's Xenos spotted in the hive, that much is obvious by now. But there's another vox line, between Zola and Masozi mentioning Masozi picking up an unwelcome tail during a drop. Specifically, the "Sky Reavers". Other than it being an animal (but the way is said makes it more or less sound like a group rather than an animal) there's also a group of Dark Eldar Corsairs with that same name. Perhaps its them? If anything having Drukhari around is far less world-ending than having a genestealer uprising bringing a hive fleet down on a pretty much defenseless world
That'd definitely be fun! I'm still on Team Genestealers, I'm just waiting to see what shakes out in Part 2 of the traitor curse to see what all Fatshark decides to resolve. There's still a lot of weird thing about those Wyrmwood voxes that I think could point to GSC unless they drop something in Part 2 that really explains it all, and there's also this whole new Zola bizarreness.
The mark of chaos covers all chaos but that doesn't mean that is only born by those undivided. There's still plenty of opportunities to introduce followers of another god. I've seen no hints of any other gods so far though (one of their symbols well hidden on a map would be a great teaser if they wanted to do this). Personally I like the idea of some of the rich people living in luxury in the spire turning to Slaanesh and sending some followers to deal with both the loyalists AND the grotty, smelly Nurgle followers. I'd have an occasional Slaanesh worshipping elite turn up (perhaps some super fast assassin type) then later introduce missions in the upper levels with Slaanesh cultists and other types. Tzeentch could also be present in the spires. There's also the precedent set in Necromunda where some of those in the meat processing areas going insane after years of processing human corpses and turn to a cult which (they don't know this) is an aspect of Khorne. It'll be interesting to see where and how far Fatshark take it all. Subscribed.
Thanks for the sub and for watching! I'm hoping we get some Slaanesh, too. There's that mission where we're intercepting prismata crystals that the heretics are sending as payment to their "allies." I have wondered if that had to do with magistrate in Teritum.
One thing i noticed about the new area is that near the end of it, before you get to thr area with the stimms, theres some corpses of the moebians that you did not kill; they were placed there deliberately. What killed them?
I noticed in one area you can see a firefight going on across a distant bridge. I assume it's the traitors fighting the pdf, which is cool, gives the conflict more scale so it's not just four guys Vs everyone else, but maybe it could be a hint at something else
@@user-zp4ge3yp2o after playing the mission a couple more times myself, I heard that there was some search teams that started fighting eachother, and that they had to pull a bunch of soldiers out of drug dens. Slaanesh, maybe?
So with chaos undivided. It’s kinda weird cos like we see other traitor guard who are sorta monogod (the sons of sehk or whatever/blood pact) and use the iconography but are sworn to specifically khorn.
One thing that should be noted is that typically the 8 pointed Chaos star isn't exclusively Chaos undivided it's really more just the general symbol of Chaos.
This is true, but it's still the symbol adopted by Chaos undivided followers. I assume because "The Imperium sucks and I hate them, but I refuse to pledge my life to another so-called 'god' that's going to screw me over, and NO IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM" doesn't fit well when painted on armor or carved in skin. When looking at Moebian designs, they do have three eyed helmets which while a symbol of Nurgle, means that their helmets were designed by armorers with the foreknowledge they'd fall to Nurgle. Or, maybe the cult was running some kind of deal where if you turn to Nurgle you got free helmets for the first however many turncoats. I think with how heavily Fatshark is leaning into the symbology, it's definitely an avenue worth exploring that Wolfer would be so arrogant as to not bind himself to a specific god, but instead ploy to become a favored champion of all the gods. It also leaves the door open to a variety of Chaos, which variety is something the game is desperately needing.
I think nurglings and plague barers would be super fun. But hear me out, ONE death guard or generic plague marine. Just one, as a boss or a RUN AWAY kind of thing
I almost went into how sorcerers of Nurgle are often from the Death Guard. It could happen! The chains we hear in Vox 12 could be a Flail of Corruption.
Well don't if anyone else noticed but on one the maps I think the one with plague tree there is a skull with one eye socket and gnarled horn so the moebians may have been trying to summon plague bearers for awhile now
I recently heard a voice line in the carnival from the rejects sounding suspicious because Morrow was the only survivor in a pretty rough sounding Genestealer fight. Sorry, can't remember the exact lines but that was the jist of the short conversation.
They're also suspicious of him because he's talked about being at events that happened hundreds of years ago in different parts of the galaxy. You would need lots of juve treatments to be 300+ as an unaugmented human and survive multiple warp jumps... Either he's more important than they're making him out to be and he might actually be the inquisitor (or the inquisitor's right hand), or he is not who he says he is.
@TheSickjits I hadn't noticed that. That makes him way more interesting to me. I still like the idea that Zola is a tyranid and hope they do something with that, there are too many clues for it to just be a coincidence. I really like all the cool 40k lore, but I'm not super familiar with it. Watched a good bit of majorkill and a few others. Vermintide 1 is what got me interested. So I'm pretty fresh.
@@BMRI_Paleness Majorkill is a great way to get into the lore. I typically watch all of his videos. He gives the very short-form or cliff notes of most things, so if I'm interested in a topic he's talking about, I'll watch his video, then deep dive a little further with other creators if I want a long form video. Luetin09 is one of the biggest and oldest 40k lore channels, the remembrancers are good too, and the book of choyer switched to 40k lore and their video production and voice acting is probably the best of them all. Book of choyer did fantasy lore for years and was how I got informed about the vermintide games.
@TheSickjits he's really informative. I've never seen Luetin09, I'll have to look him up. I've been listening to a lot of Weshammer because I really like the videos with 5 spooky mysteries or whatever. I like the cosmic horror stuff the most.
You are right! In the cutscene for Sire Melk's contracts, it shows another Wyrmwood operative and references many in Tertium. Our Wyrmwood from the voxes is sadly dead (it seems), but there's a new one in the Traitor Curse trailer.
Honestly I think an Exalted PB might be a good boss enemy on the same vein as the traitor captain we face in the assassination missions. As for what killed our gal... Honestly the sorcerer idea isn't bad, but I also think it could be a daemonhost, or rather, the daemon that is responsible for creating a daemonhost.
Idk how I feel about the "Wyrmwood is the daemonhost" theory. I could see it, but since the Daemonhost has been in the game since launch, it feels awkward to work that in narratively. Especially since we know from Vox 11, Mourningstar's reply and Vox 12 take place post game launch. But then again the warp and its entities aren't bound to the linear flow of time....
Having played the map around 5 times and listening to the multiple dialogues. It's clear that Wolfer is getting desperate. The fact we managed to collect a sample of the stims has upset his plans more than he cares to admit. You can hear him growling in frustration in some lines of dialogue. Its also clear that he's fully aware of the inquisitions efforts on atoma which is why its strange to me that Wyrmwood never knew we were there. Quite a few new story tidbits since this last update
Aaaaaah! Hi, Peter! Thanks for playing, it was a lot of fun! That was the first time in quite some time I played just for fun rather than "work." I'm glad we got on two missions together!
Adding more units to nurgle makes sense. But I think they need more player types too. Ratling with pistols Enforcers I’d love to see us fighting Goliath’s or other necromunda gangs
Ok, I'm putting you on the hook now because if you happen to come across that again, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE report back! I would LOVE to know what characters were in your run, who said it, etc so I can try to capture it. That would be HUGE.
The devs actually talked about this a lot when the game released : - Khornate demons/corruption are Doom Demons. Red theme, horns, blood, it's a bit too "classic" for demons and they didn't want their game to look like DOOM Eternal. - Tzeentchian demons/corruption are magical in nature and so diverse that it would be a pain to do, and they do not fit the "Horde" theme that Darktide wants with enemies. Also, magic is extremely potent in 40K, i don't think we as a team of four would fare well against a Tzeentchian incursion. - Slaaneshi demons/corruption are obviously out of the door because of the 18+ theme, so don't hope for them. So what's left? Nurgle. That's why in both Vermintide and Darktide there is only Nurglite followers - because they are super numerous, easy to do theme, and more easy to justify in the lore than the other three Chaos Gods (plagues being super common may it be in Fantasy or 40K, so easy to start a Nurgle incursion). So yeah, i understand their choice and wouldn't be that disappointed to NOT see other Chaos Gods. Also, the Star of Chaos is a symbol of ALL Chaos Gods, not only Chaos Undivided. Each of the gods have various way to make it, but it is essentially their personal crest as well as the one of the Undivided branch. They exhibit it even without being a part of the Chaos Undivided so i don't think it matters a lot. About Demons too - Demons are for the most part, an absolute other level of menace. First, they need a focal point, Demons can't survive in realspace for long without a big thing maintaining them here, may it be an object or a person (and you don't want to cross him if he is able to summon demons). Depending on the scale of the invasion, and the type of demons, they certainly send in bigger forces than us to deal with that, that's why i think that demons are going to be pretty limited in how they appear, but i might be wrong big time on this one because i can see how they would want to implement more demons than the Beast of Nurgle for example.
Wait we do already have an enemy like the globadier. The scab bomber plays that role (if slightly different in that it uses fire not poison gas) but it still has the same strategic purpose.
I remember when they were hyping up Darktide before it's release, and I immediately knew this game was going to take a while to get REALLY good. And its true, bugs need smashing, players need more reasons to play, and there need to be measures to keep folks from leaving. I'm glad they took the extra step towards that with the recent update, you mentioned new daemons, and there are some, (okay maybe like 1 or 2,) in the update. You have to be careful with the kinds of enemies you add into the game, as lorewise a group of four nobodies given guns, hammers, and heavy weapons taking down a daemon host is a stretch, *DEFINITELY* more unlikely for a Beast of Nurgle. Not saying its impossible, but some of the nastier creatures in 40K need serious heavy firepower to take down. The formula is definitely there for Genestealer cultists with their mutated members, and, "Tyranid Warrior," or, "Tyranid Hive lord," enemy types. I just hate that it's gonna take a while for more factions to show up for there to be lots of variety between mission types, and enemies, but the future is bright.
A Tell a lot people moebien is likey chaos undivided evidence is there. In the last in-game trailer you can see four statue in the background when Wolfer gives is speech. Devs did that on propose and they are not copy paste from the rest of the game, becuase each one has a small pose difference. Good work on theories I think your on to something
It's never good news for Tertium is it. It's never "Oh, whoops, we produced way too much chocolate cake this quarter so we're handing it out for free". Nope. More daemons.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. I’m still heartbroken we didn’t get tyranids but still not counting it out to be dropped in the future! Tyranids, demons and eventually orks oh my GOSH YES PLEASE!
This is one of those times where fatshark punches itself in the face. We were all excited for some more stuff to be added to darktide, genestealers especially and then we get, 1 map :( I love this game but damn.
They're been extra big teases with A LOT of things having to do with Darktide. I have a feeling Part 2 is gonna have SOMETHING that changes up the formula. Whether I'm right or not remains to be seen, but if they didn't have something that was gonna blow our butts off, they'd have just announced it already. Why do the two-parter, ya know?
I am still mega sadge about not getting Genestealers but your content is well produced and entertaining regardless. I DO feel like if Darktide hadn't had so many.. uhh.. to lump it all into a single word "issues" in it's development you'd probably have been right! Unfortunately with all the.. everything that they had to do post launch I don't think they had enough time to focus on fixing the game/adding small things to keep players- playing, and put out a new faction on top of that. HOPEFULLY it'll come in future and we can all look back and say "Look! She was right!". Until then though I'll still enjoy your content, even if it made me forget that it's a fatshark game and any one update will only have at best a weeks worth of new content. x3
Thanks so much! It's definitely had a launch that was "rough around the edges," speaking as a PC player. I'm sure we're going to get SOMETHING exciting for Part 2. Whether or not I'm right, eh, we'll see. But I think if they had just a map or two and that was it, they would have announced it all at once rather than doing this 2 part release.
I think we could still see a gsc but it’d probably be in a year or two after the game has gotten several expansions to flesh out the current roster more.
Fantastic video as always I still think nids will without a doubt arrive in the future but other chaos forces or undevided is interesting and I love the idea of a nod to such old lore fantastic theory craft! Going to hop on my glorious zealot Rainbowkitty and visit this carnival.
Thanks for watching! I 100% still believe in genestealers for Darktide, just not for a while apparently. The old lore inspiration is something Fatshark has done for a LONG time, I have a very strong feeling it isn't an accident. Get out there and mess those heretics up!
Kinda was getting the feeling that Grendyel was a ordos malicus based on how he's been using his resources so far and starting to get curious about what the 5th playable operator will be if we get deamons maybe we'll need a stronger ally
I think they're gonna release the full lineup of Nurgle demons with Part 2. Maybe Wolfer summons a great unclean one. People saying it's unlikely, are forgetting that a Great Unclean One was teased in the very first cinematic. If they are going to introduce all the different Chaos gods (They made a big deal about introducing warring factions), I think it would be a logical progression to the Nurgle storyline to kill a great unclean one, then bam. All the other Chaos gods pop up because Nurgle no longer controls a majority of Tertium. Or maybe they just do one at a time, we kill the GUO and a Keeper of Secrets pops up or something. Who knows. Maybe tzeentch will be next. I do think they're going to introduce other chaos factions, one of the biggest complaints about all 3 games is that we only fight Nurgle across 3 different games.
Since Fatshark usually leans on the older source materials, an older Great Unclean One model as a base would make a little more sense too as the Vox 12 Entity, because they're less massive and probably more mobile (in "real world" physics).
@@Jo.Plays.Games. See that's the only part that throws me off of this theory, is the Vox 12 entity. She very clearly states that something is hunting her from the shadows, and there are NO stealthy nurgle or khorne demons. That's why maybe it could be a Keeper of secrets, they're typically one of the only greater demons that is able to actually use stealth as a weapon. It's either a keeper of secrets or some sort of GSC unit, both of which have no real place in the storyline right now. This was a really good analyzation, got the gears turning on what's next.
@TheSickjits Thanks! Yeah, Vox 12 really throws me for a loop too. I guess in my mind, a sorcerer is more justifiable because mechanically in Vermintide 2 they would zip around and sneak in the shadows, even though they were Nurglish.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. True, but thinking of Burblespue sneaking around brings me chuckles 😂 I think your initial assessment is the most likely one, Wolfer is just using the cult of admonition to further his own goals for chaos undivided, and there is probably some sort of chaos undiv sorcerer lurking around making people go insane.
@TheSickjits I miss Burblespue. His voice acting was sooooo good. Hopefully we'll know in a few days how this is going to shake out! I know a lot of people think they'll announce Part 2 on the 30th.
Im pretty sure there's new dialogue speculation about the stealers in player interactions on the new map. True or not you made a good case that there could be a cult beneath Tertium
I'm starting to lean in the direction that it might be in another hive city, but waiting to see what happens for Part 2 and then what trickles of info we get after.
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I sure hope so, I'm just past the point of really hoping for much. It took them a year...to add talent trees. That's how slow development is for this game. They haven't released a new, non-duplicate version of a weapon since March, and they just don't seem to be fixing major issues. I really, really hope they figure out the kind of lightning in a bottle game they've created and actually throw a lot of resources at it to seriously improve it, and keep adding things, but I'm probably just...jaded from basically a year of nothing.
That's fair. And that's also part of why I think *something* cool must be coming, because melee combat was basically already done from Vermintide. A lot of the assets use rehashed animation or skeletons from Vermintide. There's just been kind of a wasteland of real meat that would realistically take what.....4 years? Something's gotta be coming, right? I mean, maybe not, but, I want to err on the side of optimistic.
The carnival of chaos is interesting, but the name just just reminds me of the left 4 dead 2 level too much. Even if the "stage" we end up in at the end is more of a fighting pit. The stims are definitely going to be a big thing but i wonder if the curse isn't just what the inquisition are calling nurgles gift, and we might end up with a captain type super special/boss because of all the mutations and that might be fun (slightly rebalenced of course). If it were 6 months down the road, i think I'd have a different theory because they were recently able to build code that allows the enemies to attack both the players and npcs(with the necromancer in vermintide). It probably too soon to implament this, but it might gives them a chance to add something crazy, like a khornish berserker, a drukari slaver (complete with demonhost like interputable teleport out so they can....tend to you), a sleneshy witch, or anything that can slap and will eat fire from cultists or even get slowed down by poxwalkers, but also be very deadly. I really do think more specials and elites are what we will see next, an entire new faction is kind of massive and i don't think theres been enough time since the last year was more about repairing and optimization, and they still gotta work on the crafting system, its still not there.
That was a thought my hubs and I talked about when Vox 10 came out, what if a fly was chasing her? But I assume she would have talked about hearing a buzzing or something.
BY THE EMPRAH! could you guys imagine if they added a great unclean one as a boss in darktide? Not as simple to beat as a beast of nurgle or a plague ogryn but harder to beat than a chaos champion? I LIKE KILLIN' SPIKEYS!
I'm just going to throw this out there. Broken communications, using varied cultists and renegade guard, raising suspicion and twisting imperial servants. Willing to use the forces of chaos undivided. Alpha legion......
The Traitor Curse is actually the Conflict Director going mad and spawning infinite Gunners and Ragers and silent backspawns of Crushers and Maulers.
Something definitely happened to the gunner spawn rate...
@@user-zp4ge3yp2o there’s some theories that since it clones enemies it sometimes messes up and spawns them double, but recognises it only as one squad of specialists spawned, this can happen multiple times.
Then again it might be intentional for auric level gameplay idk
But as someone with at the very least passing programming knowledge it’s quite possible that the program doubles up on accident
@@Stiftoad maybe, it's not just on auric, I've noticed groups of 10 gunners appearing even on heresy too. to be honest though it spices things up, a pair of gunner you just shoot immediately, six gunners forces you to seek cover
@@user-zp4ge3yp2o aye I’d have expected a widespread statement by now regarding them patching it but I’m starting to think it’s a deliberate behaviour.
It’s just crazy how bipolar the game gets it’s almost like it knows to spawn the bathshit waves right when you’re about to split up so they arrive just on time to catch you off guard.
That said I’m not opposed to a real hard difficulty mode it’s just a shame that heresy is a walk in the park while auric maelstrom takes you by the nuts and slams you into a wall
I don’t mind failing but I’d like a higher difficulty where you can still reasonably clutch up (I’m plasteel deficient)
@@StiftoadI've seen two trappers on top of each other
Honestly im not upset that there isnt gonna be a genestealer cult, at least not yet. I like how the Moebian 6th are getting fleshed out and really i cant be mad after Wolfer dropped that bomb ass speech. I really wanna see more of what he does and his beef with Morrow.
Honestly, I'm 100% fine with if not stoked to be wrong. It means there's lots of other details to uncover. And I agree, one of my favorite things in this game so far is how Fatshark has really brought the concept of competing propaganda in the battle for the soul of Tertium to life!
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uh i mean the human crusafe.
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Don't give up on the bug people you never know maybe they were inspired by your idea for the next expansion
Oh, I haven't. I'm holding off until we see what comes in Part 2 of The Traitor Curse, but there's a LOT of info in Wyrmwood's voxes that if left unresolved I still think points to Xenos more than Daemons. Plus, there's the major Zola thread hanging, and I have a feeling The Traitor Curse isn't going to have our answers about her.
If we do get genestealers it will just be genestealers and no lictors but I wouldn't bet on seeing them any time soon.
im betting it will come eventually. theres too many indirect and direct mentions of the genestealers
I’ve heard fatshark has outright stated that nids won’t come in any shape
But I haven’t seen any direkt statements myself
Nids would be sick but as long as we get more content I’m not too fussed about what it is
Im sure Genestealer is a shoe in for a later premium dlc. I mean the faction is almost too perfect to not include in a tide game. If xenos are spotted in secundus there are only a few candidates for that that can be kept on the down low. GSC is the only one of those with an army list so Id reckon if gw is having to approve selections theyd be pushing GSC for secondary sales.
I love that Chaos Undivided idea, it never occurred to me! The cult says "For Nurgle!" but the scabs say "For the sixth!" and none of their troops are specifically Nurgle flavoured. I could see other chaos cults being forced to break cover due to the plague and invasion then working with the 6th to seize other parts of Tertium. I do hope we see some Plaguebearers too though.
The fact Fatshark put the symbol front and center in the logo really caught my attention. Either it means something, or they just went on "rule of cool." XD
@@Jo.Plays.Games. Often the rule of cool does take precedence, if the artist liked the look and wasn't thinking about meaning, but I do really like your idea.
they were talking about having enemy factions fighting each other. might be interesting to add some other chaos cults that might fight each other or team up depending on which god and the scabs are willing to team up with everyone. add a tzeentch cult and maybe the nurgle and tzeentch cults fight each other abut don't fight with the traitor guard.
Dude, they say "For the sixth" refering to the Moebian 6º, the unit they belong.
Many of the Moebian troups have the three dot symbol of Nurgle for eyes (the gunners and the crushers). Could still be undivided but with a strong Nurgle focus.
I still have faith that genestealers are deep within atoma, and it would be inquisitor Grendel’s job to deal with them
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Literally nothing implies this
@@JeanTheDwellerthere is literally a genestealter cult vehicle in the new map on top of all the old xenos dialogue in game.
@@JeanTheDweller There's also some GSC markings on walls in maps
show me a human world that *doesn't* have a few genestealers secreted away in some dark corner... for better or worse, the genestealers were made specifically for humanity, the implications of which have so far gone mostly unappreciated by the greater galaxy.
fun point about Carnival of Chaos, speaking of them they actually did get a minor appearance in Vermintide 2's Shadows over Bogenhafen DLC. You don't actually get to fight them, but there's a nod to them during the end of the first mission in that DLC.
At the end of the first mission, while you're trying to escape after burning down a storehouse full of plagued food, there's green fireworks going off in the main city that you can see from a distance. It seems kind of strange that the fireworks would be going off while its clear that the town has been (rather subtly) overrun by NURGLITE MARAUDERS and skaven.
They don't directly say it, and the Ubersreik 5 are nowhere near aware of what is happening and seem to think that its just the town being blissfully ignorant of what is transpiring, but I definitely think that it means that the Carnival of Chaos has indeed shown up in a Fatshark game before.
Plus, it would make sense given the mission after seems to go into the main town, and its definitely clear there wasn't much fighting back done and the question of "how in blazes MARAUDERS of all things got into the town unseen" is still lingering in the air.
Now, I thought the Olesya Dispatch they put out regarding a carnival put the kibosh on it being the actual Carnival of Chaos, because Saltzpyre insisted on marching around to look for signs of HERESY and found none. Then again, he does hang around with a witch, so maybe he's as thorough as we'd like to think....
I propose that the demon hosts float slowly around portions of the map, the static position makes them boring and not that threatening. Having there voices get louder and them float towards a horde encounter would be intimidating
That could be fun! I really think they need a more threatening enemy that stalks you throughout the maps (which is what I was hoping a Lictor would do....)
Enemy Psykers via a Tzeentch Cult would go so hard
It would slap, for sure. ...........did I use "slap" right? I'm 35, I need some guidance here.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. they wouldn’t slap, tzeentch dark pact On CSM is ranged attacks only
@@errantvice7335and nurgal is only able to buff melee. Yet we have scabs.
The tzeench cultists tend to favor mid range shooting and psychic yes, but they are still chaos. They are going to do melee. I'm mostly curious to see how they incorporate enemy psychers. We've seen leeches before in Vermin tide but they have already expanded a lot on player psychic talents so I'm excited either way.
..........Goddammit, I walked right into that. Well played.
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We still might get genestealers in DLC later as a separate faction in second hive city. Dont loose hope!
Edit: Love the mug and cats!
Awww, thanks! The kitties are good boys that are fuzzy and freeloaders, so they might as well make special guest appearances for me.
I haven't lost hope. Unless a LOT of details that explain not only Wyrmwood vox details, but also the new Zola hanging thread, I'm 100% still on the "Genestealers are totally coming" train. There's just too many details that still point to it. But for now.......Plaguebearers!
yeah I think they are doing some long term lore drop hints.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. yeah I bet the final vox is a misdirect so they can drop some daemons and then later find out there were genestealers all along and the hints were for them.
I think I'm remember reading somewhere that Plaguebearer might already arrive on Atoma Prime. Since a horn skull that similar to it's head can be found in one of the map.
It would make sense. It actually is weird that they arent therr yet when more powerful daemons are
At 10 seconds into the video you earned my sub. I have gone back and watched through nearly all of your videos and have decided your channel will be how I introduce my sister and her husband and anybody else who's willing into 40k specifically for darktide. I hope you continue your analyses of each update as you're going to likely be my new source for darktide breakdowns and recaps. Keep up the fantastic work!
Thanks so much! I will definitely keep going, I'm having too much fun. :D
Hab Drayko has had a new strain go through it. Many of the objects you scan are...liquified corpses. That definitely sounds familiar.
Just a thought: remember is Space Marine when cultists sometimes would explode into a demon? What if THAT starts happening? Just killing a horde when one of the 6th just exploded into a lesser daemon of Nurgle…
I've had that exact thought! Hopefully we'll know more soon about what Part 2 holds
I'm hoping for possibly an alpha class Psyker that's running the show. Chaos space marines have been known to run with them. Maybe there is an artifact on Atoma that Abaddon is interested in and has sent reinforcements to facilitate. The Mobian 6th have "returned" from somewhere in which they were "redeemed", so maybe they were in service to the Black Legion and have proven worthy. It's cool to imagine the directions in which it could take.
I’d personally love to see nurglings as the Darktide equivalent of loot rats. Carrying a big sack full of goodies for us to yoink
I've had that exact thought!
April Fools has us getting jumped by daemons of Malice/Malal... that'd be hilarious
9:51 man really started busting a move lol
I’d be down for that, my Judge Zealot is itching to take on more Chaos-spawn.
You have such a good sense of what footage to show to complement what you're talking about. To me this is the best emerging Darktide content channel.
I heard a voice line from my body guard ogryn today, he said he heard a rumor somebodies (I didn't hear who's over the combat) brain had been replaced with a Necron brain! I'm sure it's 100% true.
The cinematic was kickass. This shows how dangerous well trained traitor forces can be. Granted the Moebian 21st that we’re trying to hold the line aren’t the best, we can give them points for trying.
While I’m not sure if we’ll see genestealer cultists, it’s possible we’ll meet another chaos cult and that could lead to infighting for control of the planet.
I am still pretty sure we're getting genestealers, in fact, I'm even more convinced because there's a genestealer rock grinder in the new map. Also I'm pretty sure the Wyrmwood we encountered is not the Wyrmwood we got in the other vox casts. I don't think they're the same voice actress AND all of the agents are called Wyrmwood agents. So sit tight, I am pretty sure they're on the way!
Oh I still am pretty sure they are! I'm just waiting to see what Part 2 reveals and then what trickles of info we get after.
I thought the traitor curse was their addiction to stims, as thats the objective of the new mission. This would be an interesting allegory with that carnival, portraying drugs as something that is fun but leads to ruin(ous powers)
Well the intro to the Carnival level is that you're going in to extract a sample of the drugs to bring back for analysis, specifically because they suspect it's tainted with pox. It could be it's the drug we've seen the ragers, mutants, and chaos spawns have attached to them on their backs.
Darktide doing these updates and getting this attention is much better than what people think the reason is darktide engine is super solid and optimized this gives the studio to mess around with more physics and more on screen characters like hordes mark my WORDS they WILL include a spacemarine at least via easter egg or playable dlc with space marine 2 coming out i called it early so excited for 40k right now dont even get me started on henry 😅
Like any game, Fatshark is imperfect. But in a world of $60-$80 games that bleed you for every red cent to get basic content, I can't sing Fatshark's praises enough. They're one of the good ones.
A shame it wasn't Genestealers but they may come some day. In the meantime, I suspect we'll be getting Plaguebearers, and based on the cranky voice in the last Wyrmwood transmit as well as the sound of the bell - a Poxbringer.
It could be a Poxbringer! I thought I heard chains, which made me think of the flails.
god i want to fight plaguebearers in darktide so bad
I want to see a Harlequin in the circus, even if it doesn't make any real sense.
So after watching this video decided to go check out what Fatshark was saying, particularly in their 'carnival level design' dev-blog. And got to say I'm getting some serious Khornate vibes. From the sinister red glow seen in a number of screenshot, sure it could be neon lighting and mist/smog considering its essentially an entertainment district but the neon-lights could have easily been a different color than red. Then its talking about brawlers and fighting pits, entertainment district could point towards any of the four if taken from the right perspective but that immediate focus on combat that would point more toward Khorne. Then there is the line 'The glory is short-lived however as blood lust corrupts.'. That line more than any other points towards Khorne in my head, the idea of blood lust corrupting.
Next part is talking about murder cults, off the top of my head that is usually in (40k) reference to one of 4 gods. Khaine (which while possible I kinda doubt as in 40k he's Eldar exclusive), the Emperor (When you have a religion that barely tolerates the existence of certain people your gonna get groups of fanatics who see it as their divine mission to eradicate such, though such are usually referred to as deathcults rather than 'murder' cults), Slaanesh (Chasing the high and thrill of the kill, seeking perfection in their art of murder) and Khorne. Considering this is being set in the middle of an entertainment district it could easily be Slaanesh, simply based off sheer location but again I reckon its pointing more towards Khorne.
They really seem to be leaning into the Undivided angle with design themes. Khorne would be a lot of fun. The amphitheater seems to be something like a gladiator combat arena, too.
I did think it was weird so many creators were obsessed with the genestealer angle when there is soooooo much more to chaos and daemons. Given fatsharks choice of chaos and nurgle as their key protagonist, when set in a hive city, genestealer cults would have been the obvious choice… it also seemed obvious they probably wanted more choice in the basic framework of their villain choices.
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Dont worry personally i think Genestealers are gonna be a thing in Darktide eventually, but most probably is that we are gonna have to wait for it theres just too much info about them inside game to ignore them. When i heard the last msg from Wyrmwood my mind went to a Chaos Sorcecer for his way of Speaking and the steps accompanied by a metalic sound that kinda reminded me a staff, gave me the Dawn of war chaos sorcecer vibes. so im pretty eager to see the second part of this event xD
I'm still on the hype train!
The return of Sindreeeeeeee
Me too ngl my body needs to purge some xenos!!@@Jo.Plays.Games.
Amongst the graffiti in-game, we can see Skaven iconography (Vermintide reference), various Nurgle icons, but most importantly the Word Bearers icon.
Word Bearers are chaos undivided aligned but work with Nurgle ALOT for the initial subjugation of a planet.
Typically the first thing before a Word Bearers assault occurs is that they will infect the planet with Nurgley diseases to weaken the defenses as well as creating an initial army out of the populace of a planet.
I like the way you are thinking. I figured we weren't getting a new faction without a paid for dlc. I like the daemons take as they have been noticably absent and could really open up gameplay. I was kinda sad when the Carnival of Chaos concept wasn't utilized more but Mordheim is a separate IP so GW makes developers pay a separate fee if they want to use material from that IP.
Fatshark isn't a perfect game company, but they're usually VERY generous with updates and what would normally be paid DLC from other companies. The Carnival of Chaos isn't even technically the canon anymore, I think GW changed it to Carnival of Nurgle because Carnival of Chaos featured none of the other gods and was confusing.
I'm hopeful given its age and questionable canon status, it's being utilized.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. I get it, Chaos wastes and the latest map packs have been great FLC for VT2. I'm just looking back, we didn't get WoC until VT2 launched, we had to get WoM for the Beastmen etc.
The Carnival of Chaos/Nurgle was a Warhammer Fantasy thing so I don't think it was ever represented in WH40k. So on second thought FS can really do whatever they want to with the concept.
But I really like the Undivided take for the Carnival of Chaos because FS pretty much has the entire Daemons of Chaos and CSM rosters at their disposal. People are looking for more challenge in the late game, adding in lesser daemons as elites or specialists would be a great way to accomplish this and you can add some new bosses in for greater variety.
A friend of mine caught it so I can’t take credit for noticing, but they *did* put a Goliath Truck in the middle of the path on the new map. It’s the big truck with a bulldozer blade on the front of it.
Now the amusing part is that lore-wise Goliath Trucks are actually pretty common to the Imperium, but in the tabletop game it’s specifically seen used by Genestealer Cults.
Even if the Wyrmwood in the vox comms was caught by Chaos I have a feeling that a lot of what they pointed out was still related to Genestealer Cults. Or at the very least Fatshark is leaning heavily into baiting us into thinking it’s GSC. :P
I saw that! I'm waiting for Part 2 of the Traitor Curse to wrap and see what trickles of info we get before I do more Genestealer speculating atm.
I really hope we're not just getting trolled.
This is great, gonna watch your pther vids about Darktide now
Thank you so much!
Love your energy , so entertaining & informative!!
Thank you so much!!
I'm not sure on Tyranids/Genesteslers being out of the question. Nurgle has no known stealth units in general. I think it's still possible she was hunted by a lictor or maybe a Genestesler Primus, (which is an assassin cultist that uses smell as well) but captured or killed by a Chaos enemy as she was far too focused on the hunt. It's not the first time Chaos has taken advantage of one's stresses and perils to take their soul, it's a staple move of them at times.
I definitely think they're still coming in the future. With a title like "The Traitor Curse," I feel the focus is gonna be on the Moebians, Wolfer, and the consequences of turning. They have no idea the horrors the gods will inflict on their own followers, and almost no one escapes it.
If they add stealth units for Nurgle, then they better be more frightening than Cloakers in Payday 2😩
A plague Marine as a Boss, a blight drone, etc etc - would be cool.
Do you not understand that being within a mile of such a thing would cause simple humans and even ogryns to die of illness.
If youve had covid, grandfather nurgle was sharing his gifts with you
You know, it would be cool if they could make a contest for introducing a new hive fleet that would be responsible for a Genestealer Cult. This way they would be more unique from other cults, sort of how the Moebian 6th is not like other traitor bands. I had my own cult and hive fleet planned out! Sad how they kinda built up that Wyrmwood hunting arc for just more daemon stuff, though. Hopefully like you said, maybe they will get a bit of love after this expansion is over!
Got two questions for ya:
Firstly, what is your favorite spess muhreen legion?
Secondly, if you play tabletop, what army?
1 - let me answer your question with another question: Loyalists or Traitor Legion?
2 - I have a big soft spot for Skitarii and Tzeentch. I need to try more armies, though!
@@Jo.Plays.Games. Loyalist....
...and don't you dare say alpha legion
@Blundabus1337 hahaha! No, it's Salamanders.
Swords will fucking cut your hands off reference!
🤣 I knew someone out there would get the deep cut reference!
Love all of the darktide observations, theories… keep it up!
Thanks!
What version of the Warp traveller OST is used in this video, specifically 2:12, I've never heard that part before. Great video
It should just be from the OST. I'll double check and get back to you as soon as I can!
In the Eisenhorn series by Dan Abnett, there is a carnival that has ties to heretical groups. and there is also a traveling carnival in the book Hereticus that also has suspicious actions taking place.
I'm reading the Omnibus right now, can't wait to get to that part!
Did u see the Goliath truck in the new map. The gsc dream is alive and well
Choo Choo goes the Hype Train!
So perhaps we were wrong on the Genestealers.. But there's another interesting potential that has far less dire consequences.
Drukhari raiders.
There's Xenos spotted in the hive, that much is obvious by now. But there's another vox line, between Zola and Masozi mentioning Masozi picking up an unwelcome tail during a drop. Specifically, the "Sky Reavers". Other than it being an animal (but the way is said makes it more or less sound like a group rather than an animal) there's also a group of Dark Eldar Corsairs with that same name.
Perhaps its them? If anything having Drukhari around is far less world-ending than having a genestealer uprising bringing a hive fleet down on a pretty much defenseless world
That'd definitely be fun! I'm still on Team Genestealers, I'm just waiting to see what shakes out in Part 2 of the traitor curse to see what all Fatshark decides to resolve. There's still a lot of weird thing about those Wyrmwood voxes that I think could point to GSC unless they drop something in Part 2 that really explains it all, and there's also this whole new Zola bizarreness.
It’d be a cool expansion if the Mobians got reinforcements from groups like The Bloodpact or other cults
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Love the vid. Good energy talking about 40k stuff
Thanks!
The Carnival really feels inspired from "The Cult Of Rakdos"
Please make more. I wait for your videos and I watch them more than once 😂 I literally don’t do that for anyone but music. Please keep going ☺️
Awww, thank you! I don't plan to stop, don't worry!
The mark of chaos covers all chaos but that doesn't mean that is only born by those undivided. There's still plenty of opportunities to introduce followers of another god. I've seen no hints of any other gods so far though (one of their symbols well hidden on a map would be a great teaser if they wanted to do this). Personally I like the idea of some of the rich people living in luxury in the spire turning to Slaanesh and sending some followers to deal with both the loyalists AND the grotty, smelly Nurgle followers. I'd have an occasional Slaanesh worshipping elite turn up (perhaps some super fast assassin type) then later introduce missions in the upper levels with Slaanesh cultists and other types. Tzeentch could also be present in the spires. There's also the precedent set in Necromunda where some of those in the meat processing areas going insane after years of processing human corpses and turn to a cult which (they don't know this) is an aspect of Khorne. It'll be interesting to see where and how far Fatshark take it all.
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Thanks for the sub and for watching! I'm hoping we get some Slaanesh, too. There's that mission where we're intercepting prismata crystals that the heretics are sending as payment to their "allies." I have wondered if that had to do with magistrate in Teritum.
One thing i noticed about the new area is that near the end of it, before you get to thr area with the stimms, theres some corpses of the moebians that you did not kill; they were placed there deliberately. What killed them?
There are also cells with dead Rejects in some areas of the map, maybe they were experimented on?
I noticed in one area you can see a firefight going on across a distant bridge. I assume it's the traitors fighting the pdf, which is cool, gives the conflict more scale so it's not just four guys Vs everyone else, but maybe it could be a hint at something else
@@user-zp4ge3yp2o after playing the mission a couple more times myself, I heard that there was some search teams that started fighting eachother, and that they had to pull a bunch of soldiers out of drug dens. Slaanesh, maybe?
Nurgling swarms are something I need
So with chaos undivided. It’s kinda weird cos like we see other traitor guard who are sorta monogod (the sons of sehk or whatever/blood pact) and use the iconography but are sworn to specifically khorn.
It's true, I just wonder if maybe the 6th will have other interests in chaos other than just Nurgle.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. Would be cool. I did always think the Nurgle ragers were kinda weird. Not that they can’t exist just yeh feels weird.
One thing that should be noted is that typically the 8 pointed Chaos star isn't exclusively Chaos undivided it's really more just the general symbol of Chaos.
This is true, but it's still the symbol adopted by Chaos undivided followers. I assume because "The Imperium sucks and I hate them, but I refuse to pledge my life to another so-called 'god' that's going to screw me over, and NO IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM" doesn't fit well when painted on armor or carved in skin.
When looking at Moebian designs, they do have three eyed helmets which while a symbol of Nurgle, means that their helmets were designed by armorers with the foreknowledge they'd fall to Nurgle. Or, maybe the cult was running some kind of deal where if you turn to Nurgle you got free helmets for the first however many turncoats.
I think with how heavily Fatshark is leaning into the symbology, it's definitely an avenue worth exploring that Wolfer would be so arrogant as to not bind himself to a specific god, but instead ploy to become a favored champion of all the gods. It also leaves the door open to a variety of Chaos, which variety is something the game is desperately needing.
I think nurglings and plague barers would be super fun. But hear me out, ONE death guard or generic plague marine. Just one, as a boss or a RUN AWAY kind of thing
I almost went into how sorcerers of Nurgle are often from the Death Guard. It could happen! The chains we hear in Vox 12 could be a Flail of Corruption.
Well don't if anyone else noticed but on one the maps I think the one with plague tree there is a skull with one eye socket and gnarled horn so the moebians may have been trying to summon plague bearers for awhile now
Interesting, I'll have to go back and look for that. Thanks for the heads up!
I recently heard a voice line in the carnival from the rejects sounding suspicious because Morrow was the only survivor in a pretty rough sounding Genestealer fight. Sorry, can't remember the exact lines but that was the jist of the short conversation.
They're also suspicious of him because he's talked about being at events that happened hundreds of years ago in different parts of the galaxy. You would need lots of juve treatments to be 300+ as an unaugmented human and survive multiple warp jumps... Either he's more important than they're making him out to be and he might actually be the inquisitor (or the inquisitor's right hand), or he is not who he says he is.
@TheSickjits I hadn't noticed that. That makes him way more interesting to me. I still like the idea that Zola is a tyranid and hope they do something with that, there are too many clues for it to just be a coincidence. I really like all the cool 40k lore, but I'm not super familiar with it. Watched a good bit of majorkill and a few others. Vermintide 1 is what got me interested. So I'm pretty fresh.
@@BMRI_Paleness Majorkill is a great way to get into the lore. I typically watch all of his videos. He gives the very short-form or cliff notes of most things, so if I'm interested in a topic he's talking about, I'll watch his video, then deep dive a little further with other creators if I want a long form video. Luetin09 is one of the biggest and oldest 40k lore channels, the remembrancers are good too, and the book of choyer switched to 40k lore and their video production and voice acting is probably the best of them all. Book of choyer did fantasy lore for years and was how I got informed about the vermintide games.
@TheSickjits he's really informative. I've never seen Luetin09, I'll have to look him up. I've been listening to a lot of Weshammer because I really like the videos with 5 spooky mysteries or whatever. I like the cosmic horror stuff the most.
Iirc in some of the voice lines somewhere pointed out that Wormwood is a rank for field agents. I could be wrong though.
You are right! In the cutscene for Sire Melk's contracts, it shows another Wyrmwood operative and references many in Tertium.
Our Wyrmwood from the voxes is sadly dead (it seems), but there's a new one in the Traitor Curse trailer.
Pretty sure the Carnival was responsible for the events of "Shadows over Boogerhaven", the Vermintide 2 dlc.
“Her soul belongs to me” could still be maybe a genestealer patriarch and she was infected and not actually killed
Oooooohhhh......maybe? If that's the coming twist, I might die of excitement.
Honestly I think an Exalted PB might be a good boss enemy on the same vein as the traitor captain we face in the assassination missions. As for what killed our gal... Honestly the sorcerer idea isn't bad, but I also think it could be a daemonhost, or rather, the daemon that is responsible for creating a daemonhost.
Idk how I feel about the "Wyrmwood is the daemonhost" theory. I could see it, but since the Daemonhost has been in the game since launch, it feels awkward to work that in narratively.
Especially since we know from Vox 11, Mourningstar's reply and Vox 12 take place post game launch. But then again the warp and its entities aren't bound to the linear flow of time....
Having played the map around 5 times and listening to the multiple dialogues. It's clear that Wolfer is getting desperate. The fact we managed to collect a sample of the stims has upset his plans more than he cares to admit. You can hear him growling in frustration in some lines of dialogue. Its also clear that he's fully aware of the inquisitions efforts on atoma which is why its strange to me that Wyrmwood never knew we were there.
Quite a few new story tidbits since this last update
OMG I played darktide with you today! I was the veteran named Peter! The only guy on live mic
Aaaaaah! Hi, Peter! Thanks for playing, it was a lot of fun! That was the first time in quite some time I played just for fun rather than "work." I'm glad we got on two missions together!
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@Peter-6233 aww, thanks! Hell yeah, add away!
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Adding more units to nurgle makes sense. But I think they need more player types too.
Ratling with pistols
Enforcers
I’d love to see us fighting Goliath’s or other necromunda gangs
That's weird. I think I heard something about a "circus" in one of the new voice lines. Might just be a brain fart on my part though.
Ok, I'm putting you on the hook now because if you happen to come across that again, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE report back! I would LOVE to know what characters were in your run, who said it, etc so I can try to capture it. That would be HUGE.
The devs actually talked about this a lot when the game released :
- Khornate demons/corruption are Doom Demons. Red theme, horns, blood, it's a bit too "classic" for demons and they didn't want their game to look like DOOM Eternal.
- Tzeentchian demons/corruption are magical in nature and so diverse that it would be a pain to do, and they do not fit the "Horde" theme that Darktide wants with enemies. Also, magic is extremely potent in 40K, i don't think we as a team of four would fare well against a Tzeentchian incursion.
- Slaaneshi demons/corruption are obviously out of the door because of the 18+ theme, so don't hope for them.
So what's left? Nurgle. That's why in both Vermintide and Darktide there is only Nurglite followers - because they are super numerous, easy to do theme, and more easy to justify in the lore than the other three Chaos Gods (plagues being super common may it be in Fantasy or 40K, so easy to start a Nurgle incursion). So yeah, i understand their choice and wouldn't be that disappointed to NOT see other Chaos Gods.
Also, the Star of Chaos is a symbol of ALL Chaos Gods, not only Chaos Undivided. Each of the gods have various way to make it, but it is essentially their personal crest as well as the one of the Undivided branch. They exhibit it even without being a part of the Chaos Undivided so i don't think it matters a lot.
About Demons too - Demons are for the most part, an absolute other level of menace. First, they need a focal point, Demons can't survive in realspace for long without a big thing maintaining them here, may it be an object or a person (and you don't want to cross him if he is able to summon demons). Depending on the scale of the invasion, and the type of demons, they certainly send in bigger forces than us to deal with that, that's why i think that demons are going to be pretty limited in how they appear, but i might be wrong big time on this one because i can see how they would want to implement more demons than the Beast of Nurgle for example.
I hope they add the bile bag piper it would be nice humorous addition to darktide
If I see a Sloppity Bilepiper, I might quit Darktide because there's just no way it could get better from there.
Wait we do already have an enemy like the globadier. The scab bomber plays that role (if slightly different in that it uses fire not poison gas) but it still has the same strategic purpose.
This is true, but since they have two flavors of flame thrower, I'm still surprised there isn't a gas bomber.
JoPlaysGames is the place to come for some good Warhammer 40,000 lore.
Awwww, thanks! I try my best to be as accurate as possible and try to make content engaging no matter anyone's background knowledge!
I remember when they were hyping up Darktide before it's release, and I immediately knew this game was going to take a while to get REALLY good. And its true, bugs need smashing, players need more reasons to play, and there need to be measures to keep folks from leaving. I'm glad they took the extra step towards that with the recent update, you mentioned new daemons, and there are some, (okay maybe like 1 or 2,) in the update. You have to be careful with the kinds of enemies you add into the game, as lorewise a group of four nobodies given guns, hammers, and heavy weapons taking down a daemon host is a stretch, *DEFINITELY* more unlikely for a Beast of Nurgle. Not saying its impossible, but some of the nastier creatures in 40K need serious heavy firepower to take down. The formula is definitely there for Genestealer cultists with their mutated members, and, "Tyranid Warrior," or, "Tyranid Hive lord," enemy types. I just hate that it's gonna take a while for more factions to show up for there to be lots of variety between mission types, and enemies, but the future is bright.
A Tell a lot people moebien is likey chaos undivided evidence is there. In the last in-game trailer you can see four statue in the background when Wolfer gives is speech. Devs did that on propose and they are not copy paste from the rest of the game, becuase each one has a small pose difference. Good work on theories I think your on to something
Thanks for watching!
It's never good news for Tertium is it. It's never "Oh, whoops, we produced way too much chocolate cake this quarter so we're handing it out for free". Nope. More daemons.
🤣🤣🤣 Cake servitors.
Very fascinating and great research! I hope it’s all true!
Thanks! Hopefully we'll know relatively soon with Part 2!
@@Jo.Plays.Games. I’m still heartbroken we didn’t get tyranids but still not counting it out to be dropped in the future! Tyranids, demons and eventually orks oh my GOSH YES PLEASE!
This is one of those times where fatshark punches itself in the face. We were all excited for some more stuff to be added to darktide, genestealers especially and then we get, 1 map :( I love this game but damn.
They're been extra big teases with A LOT of things having to do with Darktide. I have a feeling Part 2 is gonna have SOMETHING that changes up the formula. Whether I'm right or not remains to be seen, but if they didn't have something that was gonna blow our butts off, they'd have just announced it already. Why do the two-parter, ya know?
I am still mega sadge about not getting Genestealers but your content is well produced and entertaining regardless. I DO feel like if Darktide hadn't had so many.. uhh.. to lump it all into a single word "issues" in it's development you'd probably have been right! Unfortunately with all the.. everything that they had to do post launch I don't think they had enough time to focus on fixing the game/adding small things to keep players- playing, and put out a new faction on top of that. HOPEFULLY it'll come in future and we can all look back and say "Look! She was right!". Until then though I'll still enjoy your content, even if it made me forget that it's a fatshark game and any one update will only have at best a weeks worth of new content. x3
Thanks so much! It's definitely had a launch that was "rough around the edges," speaking as a PC player. I'm sure we're going to get SOMETHING exciting for Part 2. Whether or not I'm right, eh, we'll see. But I think if they had just a map or two and that was it, they would have announced it all at once rather than doing this 2 part release.
Basically the cult of admonistion but the mobians are chaos undivided.
I think we could still see a gsc but it’d probably be in a year or two after the game has gotten several expansions to flesh out the current roster more.
Genestealers 2024 - that's the only campaign I'll be paying attention to this year.
Fantastic video as always I still think nids will without a doubt arrive in the future but other chaos forces or undevided is interesting and I love the idea of a nod to such old lore fantastic
theory craft! Going to hop on my glorious zealot Rainbowkitty and visit this carnival.
Thanks for watching! I 100% still believe in genestealers for Darktide, just not for a while apparently. The old lore inspiration is something Fatshark has done for a LONG time, I have a very strong feeling it isn't an accident.
Get out there and mess those heretics up!
Kinda was getting the feeling that Grendyel was a ordos malicus based on how he's been using his resources so far and starting to get curious about what the 5th playable operator will be if we get deamons maybe we'll need a stronger ally
Pls don't stop making this videos !!!❤
Oh don't worry, I have no plans to stop!
I think they're gonna release the full lineup of Nurgle demons with Part 2. Maybe Wolfer summons a great unclean one. People saying it's unlikely, are forgetting that a Great Unclean One was teased in the very first cinematic. If they are going to introduce all the different Chaos gods (They made a big deal about introducing warring factions), I think it would be a logical progression to the Nurgle storyline to kill a great unclean one, then bam. All the other Chaos gods pop up because Nurgle no longer controls a majority of Tertium. Or maybe they just do one at a time, we kill the GUO and a Keeper of Secrets pops up or something. Who knows. Maybe tzeentch will be next. I do think they're going to introduce other chaos factions, one of the biggest complaints about all 3 games is that we only fight Nurgle across 3 different games.
Since Fatshark usually leans on the older source materials, an older Great Unclean One model as a base would make a little more sense too as the Vox 12 Entity, because they're less massive and probably more mobile (in "real world" physics).
@@Jo.Plays.Games. See that's the only part that throws me off of this theory, is the Vox 12 entity. She very clearly states that something is hunting her from the shadows, and there are NO stealthy nurgle or khorne demons. That's why maybe it could be a Keeper of secrets, they're typically one of the only greater demons that is able to actually use stealth as a weapon. It's either a keeper of secrets or some sort of GSC unit, both of which have no real place in the storyline right now. This was a really good analyzation, got the gears turning on what's next.
@TheSickjits Thanks! Yeah, Vox 12 really throws me for a loop too. I guess in my mind, a sorcerer is more justifiable because mechanically in Vermintide 2 they would zip around and sneak in the shadows, even though they were Nurglish.
@@Jo.Plays.Games. True, but thinking of Burblespue sneaking around brings me chuckles 😂 I think your initial assessment is the most likely one, Wolfer is just using the cult of admonition to further his own goals for chaos undivided, and there is probably some sort of chaos undiv sorcerer lurking around making people go insane.
@TheSickjits I miss Burblespue. His voice acting was sooooo good.
Hopefully we'll know in a few days how this is going to shake out! I know a lot of people think they'll announce Part 2 on the 30th.
NURGLINGS NURGLINGS NURGLINGS
We still get more enemy’s to fight so I’m happy regardless
Here's my theory, a Lichter was after her, and a nurgle daemon got to her first.
We can hope!
Im pretty sure there's new dialogue speculation about the stealers in player interactions on the new map. True or not you made a good case that there could be a cult beneath Tertium
I'm starting to lean in the direction that it might be in another hive city, but waiting to see what happens for Part 2 and then what trickles of info we get after.
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There is a plauge bearer skull in that pathogen map, so i tought demons will come but they didnt :(
Have faith! Part 2 comes out in early December!
Here´s my theory: we face Wolfer and as we are about to defeat him he takes his off his helmet. Hi was Alpharius all along
I like and accept this.
I sure hope so, I'm just past the point of really hoping for much. It took them a year...to add talent trees. That's how slow development is for this game. They haven't released a new, non-duplicate version of a weapon since March, and they just don't seem to be fixing major issues. I really, really hope they figure out the kind of lightning in a bottle game they've created and actually throw a lot of resources at it to seriously improve it, and keep adding things, but I'm probably just...jaded from basically a year of nothing.
That's fair. And that's also part of why I think *something* cool must be coming, because melee combat was basically already done from Vermintide. A lot of the assets use rehashed animation or skeletons from Vermintide. There's just been kind of a wasteland of real meat that would realistically take what.....4 years?
Something's gotta be coming, right? I mean, maybe not, but, I want to err on the side of optimistic.
too bad about the tyranids but hey maybe later.
i wonder what's coming in part 2
Only time will tell.
I just want to see more Chaos factions, Nurgle is in like every 40k game these days and it's getting pretty boring at this point
The carnival of chaos is interesting, but the name just just reminds me of the left 4 dead 2 level too much. Even if the "stage" we end up in at the end is more of a fighting pit.
The stims are definitely going to be a big thing but i wonder if the curse isn't just what the inquisition are calling nurgles gift, and we might end up with a captain type super special/boss because of all the mutations and that might be fun (slightly rebalenced of course).
If it were 6 months down the road, i think I'd have a different theory because they were recently able to build code that allows the enemies to attack both the players and npcs(with the necromancer in vermintide). It probably too soon to implament this, but it might gives them a chance to add something crazy, like a khornish berserker, a drukari slaver (complete with demonhost like interputable teleport out so they can....tend to you), a sleneshy witch, or anything that can slap and will eat fire from cultists or even get slowed down by poxwalkers, but also be very deadly.
I really do think more specials and elites are what we will see next, an entire new faction is kind of massive and i don't think theres been enough time since the last year was more about repairing and optimization, and they still gotta work on the crafting system, its still not there.
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Honestly a Rot fly boss fight would work.
That was a thought my hubs and I talked about when Vox 10 came out, what if a fly was chasing her? But I assume she would have talked about hearing a buzzing or something.
BY THE EMPRAH!
could you guys imagine if they added a great unclean one as a boss in darktide? Not as simple to beat as a beast of nurgle or a plague ogryn but harder to beat than a chaos champion?
I LIKE KILLIN' SPIKEYS!
Whatever it is, I'm hoping it'll give us an actual boss fight like Nurgloth.
@Jo.Plays.Games. is that a great unclean one like ku'gath plague father?
@@thegametroll6264 Nurgloth was a Nurglish sorcerer lord in Vermintide 2. It was a really fun, tough fight with a few phases.
I'm just going to throw this out there. Broken communications, using varied cultists and renegade guard, raising suspicion and twisting imperial servants. Willing to use the forces of chaos undivided. Alpha legion......
Fatshark could just reuse the Troll animations and assets from Vermintide 2 for a Plaguebearer as well.
Watch out for the hounds!
To be fair, I think they had mentioned there being multiple Wormwood agents in Tertium. So there is still hope and cope.
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Its fun to theorize
It is!