@@Dr_Philliam very true, but for its time it was fantastic. And it's sequel was very good as well, hate to admit the hours I spent golfing and fish farming to 100% completion lol
@@bcalath the game starts off really well tbh but drops the ball hard once you get to the dark heavens castle. Cause it's a very lengthy dark dungeon with no village building and a story focus. And well the story is not the strong point of the game. While the story bits are also short AF and poorly translated lmao. And the demon shaft is just super duper grind :D. But I like it. Do gotta admit that I didn't play the second installment cause it went away from the cartoonish serious style but way more focused on the cartoon aspects
@@Dr_Philliam all fair merits to be sure. I look at it specifically for what it was at the time it came out when I first got to enjoy it. And to younger me it was an easy win flaws be damned lol
One thing I'd like to recommend is to start using Spinning Rising Slash (SRS) more often. It has very respectable motion value and can be used to change direction or to chain lateral combo. The main advantage over lateral twin blade combo is that you can change direction anytime as long as you've followed up with at least one attack. You can for example do advancing slash > SRS for fast close gap and hit action. Or you can do falling bash > SRS to quickly deal little bit of extra damage at the end of your combo before dodging or so.
Your voice is fantastic, you're an experienced and skilled player, you show the key, critical combos, and tell when they should be used. Incredibly good and enjoyable video guide. A lot of the fotm youtubers have no idea what they're doing, or read things off wiki and just show stuff without any clue how to use it. Your video is so much better and helpful than that stuff.
Quite chuffed to see that the way I've always played SnS was made more viable again. In pre-patch base Rise as well as pre-Iceborne base World, blunt force Shield and Sword was better but frankly I never really enjoyed that playstyle much so I still played elemental/status Sword and Shield, with ok-ish results.
THE best SnS guide, thank you! I wish we had something like the dual blades sharpness silkbind-move, because I really don't like dealing with sharpness ;-)
On one hand, I'm so happy SnS meta is going back to Elemental again. It felt like ages since the last time. On the other hands, I get used to Hard Basher too much in Base Rise I'm gonna missed it quite a bit. But hey Metsu is there so I'm still happy! Thx for the guide, Dr. Phil!
Falling Shadow fast wirebug recharge makes it possible to use before the second wirebug for metsu is ready without compromising the metsu. It doesn't have to be one or another.
you made me play and main SnS and i am so happy that i found this channel thank you SO much for all your guides and please keep on doing them! hopefully we also see sum nice SnS runs from you soon
I’ve been waiting for your video ^^ All my sns techniques and combos were refined by watching your videos and I just love your guides. Its straight to the point, relaxing and informative. Thanks as always!
Glad I found this vid. Hopefully it sinks in. I swap mains all the time, and have not touched SNS since PSP's first port. (maybe a couple hunts in gen with oils) been looking at how technical and awesome sns looks in sunbreak. and was really hoping to make a sweet set with U2 now out. (approx hunts: 150GS, 200LS, 150 CB, 150LBG.) (i obviously cant stick to a weapon XD)
i am so happy you posted this. it was because of your videos and streams that i fell in love with SnS in Rise and have been checking everyday to see when you posted Sunbreak SnS guides. Question though, no thoughts on Destoryer Oil?
I forgot that Dr. Phil has soothing voice. Great guide too! While I’m liking surge slash on GS and SWAX in general, SNS just feels too good in Rise and the Sunbreak changes are great.
While it's nice to have elemental sns as an option once again, I think I'll be sticking with raw. Matching a monsters charge with a shield bash and knocking them out is way too satisfying to pass up on.
@@Dr_Philliam now that i think about it would you say raw is not meta like base rise? Cause I've been struggling in making mix sets for raw and element.
Super solid video =D Stumbled across your vid looking for opinions on builds because quite frankly I'm bored with the suicide meta builds, but the combo information was on point.
4:14 PR can also be entered by dodge rolling then pressing the heavy attack key (M2 cuz I play with M+KB). Though very situational and only done with monsters I'm very familiar with
What are your thoughts on the B -> B -> B+Y -> B -> loop combo? I think I've read that it slightly out performs the one that ends in Spinning Reaper in larger openings just because it has less end lag, but I'm not sure how accurate that was.
it is best as long as you don't get a spinning reaper in at the end. The combo you described can't go into Spinning reaper, whereas the Twinblade Lateral combo can always go into it. At least from what I know. In both cases the DPS difference is tiny, but according to CookBook, twin lateral with a perfectly timed reaper at the end is a tiny tiny bit better. Quote: "Quote: "x, x, a, a, x+a, replacing x+a with a, x+a on 3rd loop: 429mv + 16emv a, a, x+a, x/a, replacing x+a, x/a with a, x+a on 4th: 477mv + 16emv a, a, a, x+a, zr +x, dropping the zr + x on 3rd: 495mv + 14emv a, a, x, adding an x+a on 4th loop: 473mv + 18.6emv Prush into falling bash, a, a, a, X+A: 521mv + 13.5emv""
I'll be honest, I haven't really payed much attention to the meta. In base Rise I had several element builds and raw builds so I'm glad to hear those element builds will be more effective
For pure raw builds i think shield bashing is still the best way to go about hunting stuff, for KOs that lead to perfect rushes. For elemental and status of course, the sword combos are the ways. Im really glad this variety in playstyles exist in Sunbreak.
Great guide, I honestly have been playing through Sunbreak with my exact same combos as in Rise. I've seen a lot of talk on the discord about Hard Basher Combo still being the play with Raw weapons. You suggested Lateral combo with Raw, what are your thoughts on Hard Basher Combo?
I think its a great tool! I use a raw build with kamura SnS. On that build, lateral slash combo deals 720 damage, and hardbasher deals 640. Lateral slash is 2.4 seconds long, and hard basher is 2.53. Its about 20% less efficient damage wise, But! You don't waste sharpness, get an auto minds eye and allow for KO. I am able to run KO+3 on my build, so for early on in the hunt, I find hard basher more efficient. Use both imo. Both are great
For both of you: it's not bad and I suggested using it if you're struggling with sharpness. However, elemental weapons don't lose any raw really (e.g. valstrax 340 raw, Rathalos 330, zinogre 330) while having huge amounts of element and you'll notice a much bigger difference there than what David suggested. And also don't underestimate a 20% damage difference, that's absolutely massive. Sometimes we slot in 3 points of skills for less than 7%
Mostly outclassed since it has less DPS than twin lateral / lateral while costing more sharpness. There's a tiny niche for it that I'll go over in the future advanced guide
So I noticed you didn't mention anything about the destroyer oil lol...I thought it was good, but watching you, I see why metsu is the way to go. Thanks for the tips bro! Good video.
So apparently Drill Slash is such a joke that it isn't even mentioned here at all, I've been using it for my bread-and-butter for months like a chump then 🤣
Thx for the guide and amazing vid! btw I think I've seen some runs leaning more towards the elemental side (Valstrax SnS on Rathian head, Espina SnS on Arzuros, etc) use the roundslash to loop sword attacks, so something like lateral slash -> return stroke -> roundslash -> chop (-> side slash) -> lateral. Any thoughts on this?
That's the twin lateral combo I'm pretty sure and I've described that. valstrax SnS is absolutely bonkers, I don't see the reason to use Espinas SnS over Rathalos though. Less raw and half the element. And 20% crit aren't that important. But yeah with the final boss armor, chain crit and other stuff Valstrax sns can also fit in critical element
@@Dr_Philliam They don't use the new twin blade combo switch skill move but use the old round slash (X+A/tri+cir/Y+B after return stroke), not sure why or how it compares to the twin lateral combo. (The whole combo looks something like X, (X,) A, A, X+A, repeat) Yeah I Rathalos SnS do have pretty ridiculous stats. and crit% is some what easy to get in MR imo, some piece got free maximum might, and bloodlust on shaggy also give at least 20% after overcoming frenzy.
@@leonliu5220 roundslash + chop has 6 more raw motion value in that lateral loop vs. lateral twin loop. Lateral twin loop however has a 1.2 element modifier on the twin blade moves. Considering most speed runs use dereliction on the raw side they will use the loop with more raw. (I prefer using the roundslash lateral loop because its easier for me to turn with it and I've always liked the look of roundslash).
I knew i can count on Dr Phil analysis on SnS when Sunbreak already released. Kinda surprised SnS become Sword and Shield again and not Shield and Sword 😂
Drill Slash is extremly niche for very slight damage optimisation in speedruns, outside of that as of right now it's in a limbo of being good but not worth using while having higher sharpness consumption
What about Drill Slash though? Is it at least viable to use for Elem/Status SnS? I'm asking this because on my blind playthrough of Sunbreak, i noticed that elements were finally powerful as they should be... and my go-to combo was Twin Blade Combo + Drill Slash into Spinning Reaper and i thought I was doing nice DMG overall, but I was wondering how & if Drill Slash could be used in a speedrun, or at the very least if it was worth the time/sharpness to use for Elem or Status Build-up? (I'm not yet into the endgame, so I dont know if a complete SnS build can include Protective Polish which I adore for SnS & DB)
There's a tiny niche for Drill Slash from what I've been told when the monster would get up perfectly in time and you couldn't continue hitting it after. But while the damage is good, the other two combos (lateral and twin lateral) are just better while also consuming less sharpness
Are the buffs you mentioned at the start live on the Xbox version or is that just sunbreak stuff? Guess I'm wondering if sword combos or shield combos are the way to go pre sunbreak on 10.03 or whatever the Xbox version is.
Hey Ditro! Thanks for your comment, but I'm not entirely sure. I know the MV buffs should be there, so the old combos should also be stronger, buuut you definitely won't have access to the new moves, which is a key component to the new combo. c:
@Dr. Phil gotcha. The main draw to doing sns would be for support and the stun damage with the shield. Seeing you jack monsters up with your bash combos during your streams back at the start of Rise still is fresh in my mind. Hopefully shield combos are viable still. Think I'm just gonna cave and get the expansion on switch and play over there. I'd be on xbox if the expansion was out, but with Sunbreak coming out on xbox possibly around Diablo 4...no contest hah.
@@Dr_Philliam I don't know what they meant by it, but for me it is a good thing. You are good at explaining where each combo is best used, so I'll often watch a basic quick tutorial on changes to get me started and come back later and watch your guide like 10 times to get the nitty gritty down. At that point I need facts clearly outlined to help me figure out what I should be doing at varying parts of the fight. I am often in the training room practicing while watching, so it helps you get to the point and tell me what I need to know in a format I can rewind and rewatch a few times without having to sift through a lot of additional commentary. Awesome guide!
Thanks for the guide man..appreciate it! Silly question tho..do we need to own monster hunter sunrise expansion to have the current buffs/changes to SNS Skills?
You don't need Sunbreak to get the balancing changes, but you do need it if you want any of the new stuff, like the new switch skills and the skill swap feature.
Hear me out…Val sns (Gates of Heaven) with Val rampage deco, dragon att 5, dragon heart 3 and dereliction 3…I know it sounds dumb…but once everything was activated (on red scroll I didn’t check blue) I had 450 raw and 104 dragon. It also has resentment 4 and I put crit element 2 and offensive guard. I did it for shits and giggles because it’s kinda suggested a lot to just not do dereliction and dragonheart because of health management.
@@Dr_Philliam yeah, i saw someone run a similar build and really they just used the helm and used archfiend everywhere else. It’s more just to get dragon light for the extra 20% dragon and then also having dragon attack 5 and the dereliction red scroll gives you +20 elemental damage. I chose dragon heart 3 just to get dragon light at 70% rather than 50% health. The guy I saw was using CB vs Gias but it was literally “I have 1hp and can’t let myself take a song hit so only use counter WB and dodge” so super high risk, but he cleared it in 5min20sec.
let me copy my reply to another comment: " I frankly completely forgot about it, I hope that's enough to tell you everything you need to know. Realistically, it's best use is to use it for part breaking. Which is for farming solely and even then it's really not a big difference."
Haven't done any strict timed testing, but it seems obvious to me that the " A->A->A->AX " loop is better than the lateral twin combo, did I miss it or did you not even mention the former?
I like the new combo but man, I really miss the old MHW combo You could just cycle it and there would be barely any delay between each hit It was great to rack up part break damage when you weren't doing a Perfect Rush
Just started master rank, using the Bishaten blast SnS with a mix of shield bashes and twin blade/lateral slash is super fun. I'm guessing drill slash and destroyer oil aren't that useful?
Honestly a bit surprised, since Shield and Shield still feels really good to me, damage-wise. x) Guess it's time to get my ass kicked while I try to get my muscle memory in check! orz
It didn't get any nerfs, just slight buffs so it's still good. But lateral is just so much better. It's like slash dancing in iceborne. It's good by itself but PR was just so broken
I sat in the training room for like 45 minutes a couple nights ago and just ran the combos over and over, with every permutation. Once you get the muscle memory down you seldom have to manually reposition, since Spinning Reaper and Twin Blade both have a reposition baked in. It makes a huge difference.
Turns out PR is still good, its has over 100 more MV(314, 354 if you count the leaping slash) than the optimal combo but it doesn't do as much as elemental damage (because shield doesn't proc element).
Yeah, but it's only really good for raw builds: "Quote: "x, x, a, a, x+a, replacing x+a with a, x+a on 3rd loop: 429mv + 16emv a, a, x+a, x/a, replacing x+a, x/a with a, x+a on 4th: 477mv + 16emv a, a, a, x+a, zr +x, dropping the zr + x on 3rd: 495mv + 14emv a, a, x, adding an x+a on 4th loop: 473mv + 18.6emv Prush into falling bash, a, a, a, X+A: 521mv + 13.5emv""
@@Dr_Philliam I know PR isn't as good for elemental builds(normally). Im just saying when a monster is downed its probably worth doing PR even with a elemental build, overall more damage but the damage just happens to be less elemental focused. Saves some sharpness too.
Can you please clearly type out the best combo to do, I’m struggling to understand, with my hearing, and the button inputs on scream are confusing to Me 😢 thank you, especially the section with the blocking
The BEST Elemental SnS Builds can be found here:
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Your accent is fake.
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I'm here because i just like listening to this man.
A true lad
Dr. Phil's voice is buttery and comforting.
I followed ang
The voice is A1
It's so refreshing to have elemental damage be a thing in MH again. Thanks for the video.
Yeah it is, but the grinding... oof :D
The grinding is what I live for
Man I knew that soundtrack the moment it hit. I miss the Dark Cloud series, the first was a masterpiece I spent hundreds of hours playing growing up.
It's an amazing track and I love the game even though it's objectively much worse than we think. Idc tho, love it
@@Dr_Philliam very true, but for its time it was fantastic. And it's sequel was very good as well, hate to admit the hours I spent golfing and fish farming to 100% completion lol
@@bcalath the game starts off really well tbh but drops the ball hard once you get to the dark heavens castle. Cause it's a very lengthy dark dungeon with no village building and a story focus. And well the story is not the strong point of the game. While the story bits are also short AF and poorly translated lmao. And the demon shaft is just super duper grind :D. But I like it. Do gotta admit that I didn't play the second installment cause it went away from the cartoonish serious style but way more focused on the cartoon aspects
@@Dr_Philliam all fair merits to be sure. I look at it specifically for what it was at the time it came out when I first got to enjoy it. And to younger me it was an easy win flaws be damned lol
I tend to always make every final form sword and shield so it's nice to know that elemental builds are more viable in Sunbreak
they're meta! go wild my man. The mix of raw + element is important here
@@Dr_Philliam Thanks man, so excited to try stuff out :)
One thing I'd like to recommend is to start using Spinning Rising Slash (SRS) more often. It has very respectable motion value and can be used to change direction or to chain lateral combo. The main advantage over lateral twin blade combo is that you can change direction anytime as long as you've followed up with at least one attack. You can for example do advancing slash > SRS for fast close gap and hit action. Or you can do falling bash > SRS to quickly deal little bit of extra damage at the end of your combo before dodging or so.
You mean round slash?
Your voice is fantastic, you're an experienced and skilled player, you show the key, critical combos, and tell when they should be used.
Incredibly good and enjoyable video guide. A lot of the fotm youtubers have no idea what they're doing, or read things off wiki and just show stuff without any clue how to use it. Your video is so much better and helpful than that stuff.
Quite chuffed to see that the way I've always played SnS was made more viable again. In pre-patch base Rise as well as pre-Iceborne base World, blunt force Shield and Sword was better but frankly I never really enjoyed that playstyle much so I still played elemental/status Sword and Shield, with ok-ish results.
Don't say more viable, say it's the best :p
THE best SnS guide, thank you! I wish we had something like the dual blades sharpness silkbind-move, because I really don't like dealing with sharpness ;-)
Naaah that would mean more button inputs c:
Great guide as always! It's nice to see elemental being a thing again. Thanks for your hard work!
thanks for your support man
W guide, W SnS. Love the amazing return of the SWORD and shield.
W CVraptor , great guy!
On one hand, I'm so happy SnS meta is going back to Elemental again. It felt like ages since the last time.
On the other hands, I get used to Hard Basher too much in Base Rise I'm gonna missed it quite a bit. But hey Metsu is there so I'm still happy!
Thx for the guide, Dr. Phil!
Same man!
Its still the best move to use when youre near the head
@@yes78 the damage is far worse than the lateral slash
Let's goo, I have been waiting for this
Yooo hope you liked it dude
@@Dr_Philliam I went through the game solo with HBG and much prefer the time I use SaS. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Falling Shadow fast wirebug recharge makes it possible to use before the second wirebug for metsu is ready without compromising the metsu. It doesn't have to be one or another.
you made me play and main SnS and i am so happy that i found this channel
thank you SO much for all your guides and please keep on doing them!
hopefully we also see sum nice SnS runs from you soon
Dude jannik, where have you been?
@@Dr_Philliam ups and downs i gotta say but making myself a better me, hbu? really sad that i couldn't catch any of your streams lately :
I’ve been waiting for your video ^^ All my sns techniques and combos were refined by watching your videos and I just love your guides. Its straight to the point, relaxing and informative. Thanks as always!
You're welcome man, appreciate the feedback!
thanks man i truly needed this guide for the new best way to play SnS.
You're welcome dude
agreed. And Not even about the damage numbers. It was that Final Strike! felt 100x better than ending with falling bash.
Glad I found this vid. Hopefully it sinks in.
I swap mains all the time, and have not touched SNS since PSP's first port. (maybe a couple hunts in gen with oils)
been looking at how technical and awesome sns looks in sunbreak. and was really hoping to make a sweet set with U2 now out.
(approx hunts: 150GS, 200LS, 150 CB, 150LBG.) (i obviously cant stick to a weapon XD)
i am so happy you posted this. it was because of your videos and streams that i fell in love with SnS in Rise and have been checking everyday to see when you posted Sunbreak SnS guides. Question though, no thoughts on Destoryer Oil?
Scott, thank you so much. Also sadly Destroyer oil, unless grinding for specific parts for material, is pretty forgettable.
great video man, concise and explains all the combos well. I'm gonna give the sword and shield a shot for sure
let's go, did you end up having fun?
I forgot that Dr. Phil has soothing voice. Great guide too! While I’m liking surge slash on GS and SWAX in general, SNS just feels too good in Rise and the Sunbreak changes are great.
Glad you like it! c:
ive been waiting for this!
I love to hear that!
Thank you for the guide! Was waiting for an updated one!
You're welcome!
Yes I still grieve over IB PR. It was so perfect and satisfying to use.
Respectable opinion
just found this channel, because i am back to use SNS. Your voice is so soothing and mesmerizing
While it's nice to have elemental sns as an option once again, I think I'll be sticking with raw. Matching a monsters charge with a shield bash and knocking them out is way too satisfying to pass up on.
Based and respectable opinion
Your voice makes the video ven better. SnS main here 👋🗡🛡
Ronaldo my man, thanks for the kind words!
I'd never stop using perfect rush it just feels too good and was surprised that ele sns is now viable so that's good.
It's meta, not viable, huge difference
@@Dr_Philliam now that i think about it would you say raw is not meta like base rise? Cause I've been struggling in making mix sets for raw and element.
Amazing as always, Doc senpai. Espinas sns looks fire hey?! Long lived the drumstick
It looks fantastic, I love it. I just wish it was poison. Also nice pun
All hail elemental SnS builds and actually using the Sword part of Sword and Shield!
Been waiting for this
its here now man!
@@Dr_Philliam weapon and build guide next?
Damn hitting me with the dark cloud music.
you know it caleb!
Fantastic choice of music, a truly scholar.
You still got the godly voice lol. Missed you bro keep up the great vids 💪🏿🔱
Hi Phil, I follow you from Italy! Thanks for guides and advices, your videos are so usefull!
Dude greetings right back at you from Germany, thanks!
Super solid video =D Stumbled across your vid looking for opinions on builds because quite frankly I'm bored with the suicide meta builds, but the combo information was on point.
thanks man!
Bro, I had to listen to the beginning twice cause I was just vibing to the Matataki Village BGM the first time...
Wise Owl Forest?? Alright, just take your like.
More seriously, great video!
dark cloud is life man
Glad to see your video man. I main CB and sub SA. But totally clueless when it comes to SnS.
Well hopefully you'll play it after watching this
@@Dr_Philliam Definitely doc.
Nice guide! Can you also recommend some sets? Or maybe do a video about them in the future?
there'll be videos about builds in the future!
4:14 PR can also be entered by dodge rolling then pressing the heavy attack key (M2 cuz I play with M+KB). Though very situational and only done with monsters I'm very familiar with
What are your thoughts on the B -> B -> B+Y -> B -> loop combo? I think I've read that it slightly out performs the one that ends in Spinning Reaper in larger openings just because it has less end lag, but I'm not sure how accurate that was.
it is best as long as you don't get a spinning reaper in at the end. The combo you described can't go into Spinning reaper, whereas the Twinblade Lateral combo can always go into it. At least from what I know. In both cases the DPS difference is tiny, but according to CookBook, twin lateral with a perfectly timed reaper at the end is a tiny tiny bit better.
Quote:
"Quote:
"x, x, a, a, x+a, replacing x+a with a, x+a on 3rd loop: 429mv + 16emv
a, a, x+a, x/a, replacing x+a, x/a with a, x+a on 4th: 477mv + 16emv
a, a, a, x+a, zr +x, dropping the zr + x on 3rd:
495mv + 14emv
a, a, x, adding an x+a on 4th loop: 473mv + 18.6emv
Prush into falling bash, a, a, a, X+A: 521mv + 13.5emv""
I'll be honest, I haven't really payed much attention to the meta. In base Rise I had several element builds and raw builds so I'm glad to hear those element builds will be more effective
ele good, raw good, am happy c:
@@Dr_Philliam that's all we need
The dark cloud ost 👏🏽
Hell yeah!
I commented asking where the guide was this morning, and you delivered you fucking king 👑🤩
Well ngl it wasn't because of you, but it feels nice to read this c:
Hehe 😁
Always the best guide with the best voice
Tyvm
For pure raw builds i think shield bashing is still the best way to go about hunting stuff, for KOs that lead to perfect rushes. For elemental and status of course, the sword combos are the ways. Im really glad this variety in playstyles exist in Sunbreak.
Great guide, I honestly have been playing through Sunbreak with my exact same combos as in Rise. I've seen a lot of talk on the discord about Hard Basher Combo still being the play with Raw weapons. You suggested Lateral combo with Raw, what are your thoughts on Hard Basher Combo?
I think its a great tool! I use a raw build with kamura SnS. On that build, lateral slash combo deals 720 damage, and hardbasher deals 640. Lateral slash is 2.4 seconds long, and hard basher is 2.53. Its about 20% less efficient damage wise, But! You don't waste sharpness, get an auto minds eye and allow for KO. I am able to run KO+3 on my build, so for early on in the hunt, I find hard basher more efficient. Use both imo. Both are great
For both of you: it's not bad and I suggested using it if you're struggling with sharpness. However, elemental weapons don't lose any raw really (e.g. valstrax 340 raw, Rathalos 330, zinogre 330) while having huge amounts of element and you'll notice a much bigger difference there than what David suggested. And also don't underestimate a 20% damage difference, that's absolutely massive. Sometimes we slot in 3 points of skills for less than 7%
Thoughts on drill slash? Does it has any utilities or it's just outclassed by the other combos?
Mostly outclassed since it has less DPS than twin lateral / lateral while costing more sharpness. There's a tiny niche for it that I'll go over in the future advanced guide
Imagine having this guide and not playing sns... couldnt be me
but you play sns?
@@Dr_Philliam that's why I could not be me? Huh
Omg the dark cloud ost hits hard
So I noticed you didn't mention anything about the destroyer oil lol...I thought it was good, but watching you, I see why metsu is the way to go. Thanks for the tips bro! Good video.
Love the dark cloud music
Best game music
It seems that so very hyped Destroyer Oil turns out to be a garbage that it's not even worth mentioning in sns guide. :D
it is pure garbo but I should've mentioned that in the guide
using the backhop is the one thing i absolutely need to learn .-. i almost never use it
You'll get it down in no time!
@@Dr_Philliam just need to start to consciously use it, after time it will almost be a habit i guess
Will you be making a video over your builds as well? If so I'm patiently waiting for it!
done so already!
Dark Cloud Theme
hell yeah brother!
Is that Dark Cloud music in the background? Awesome
it is!
So apparently Drill Slash is such a joke that it isn't even mentioned here at all, I've been using it for my bread-and-butter for months like a chump then 🤣
Thx for the guide and amazing vid!
btw I think I've seen some runs leaning more towards the elemental side (Valstrax SnS on Rathian head, Espina SnS on Arzuros, etc) use the roundslash to loop sword attacks, so something like lateral slash -> return stroke -> roundslash -> chop (-> side slash) -> lateral. Any thoughts on this?
That's the twin lateral combo I'm pretty sure and I've described that. valstrax SnS is absolutely bonkers, I don't see the reason to use Espinas SnS over Rathalos though. Less raw and half the element. And 20% crit aren't that important. But yeah with the final boss armor, chain crit and other stuff Valstrax sns can also fit in critical element
@@Dr_Philliam They don't use the new twin blade combo switch skill move but use the old round slash (X+A/tri+cir/Y+B after return stroke), not sure why or how it compares to the twin lateral combo. (The whole combo looks something like X, (X,) A, A, X+A, repeat)
Yeah I Rathalos SnS do have pretty ridiculous stats. and crit% is some what easy to get in MR imo, some piece got free maximum might, and bloodlust on shaggy also give at least 20% after overcoming frenzy.
@@Dr_Philliam Here's an example: the combo used whenever the monster is down ruclips.net/video/7yv2mTzQZX0/видео.html
@@leonliu5220 roundslash + chop has 6 more raw motion value in that lateral loop vs. lateral twin loop. Lateral twin loop however has a 1.2 element modifier on the twin blade moves. Considering most speed runs use dereliction on the raw side they will use the loop with more raw. (I prefer using the roundslash lateral loop because its easier for me to turn with it and I've always liked the look of roundslash).
@@MrNamenamenamename tyty, exactly the answers I was hoping for! yeah I find turning w/ roundslash easier as well.
Exhaust Flinches are another reason to use the Shield Bash. Just using 'em here and there can get you a lot more flinches out of a monster
I knew i can count on Dr Phil analysis on SnS when Sunbreak already released.
Kinda surprised SnS become Sword and Shield again and not Shield and Sword 😂
Positively surprised I hope
Hi thank you for the guide! Is drill slash combo useless because of "lateral twin combo" in elemental builds?
Drill Slash is extremly niche for very slight damage optimisation in speedruns, outside of that as of right now it's in a limbo of being good but not worth using while having higher sharpness consumption
@@Dr_Philliam I also find drill slash to be extremely awkward to pull off, it somehow has an affinity for whiffing
Very good!
thanks!
i've always hated shield bash + Metsu spam playstyle so this is a good change.
hope you're still enjoying i!
@@Dr_Philliam Yeah. actually using the sword for optimal damage just feels great. Infinite combo is strong af.
What about Drill Slash though? Is it at least viable to use for Elem/Status SnS?
I'm asking this because on my blind playthrough of Sunbreak, i noticed that elements were finally powerful as they should be... and my go-to combo was Twin Blade Combo + Drill Slash into Spinning Reaper and i thought I was doing nice DMG overall, but I was wondering how & if Drill Slash could be used in a speedrun, or at the very least if it was worth the time/sharpness to use for Elem or Status Build-up? (I'm not yet into the endgame, so I dont know if a complete SnS build can include Protective Polish which I adore for SnS & DB)
There's a tiny niche for Drill Slash from what I've been told when the monster would get up perfectly in time and you couldn't continue hitting it after. But while the damage is good, the other two combos (lateral and twin lateral) are just better while also consuming less sharpness
Great video, are you making a build video?
Thanks! Already posted one c:
Best Voice!
Yo my man Dave thanks
Thank you Sir, Thank you. 👏
Great guide, btw can you recommended the build from MR1 to the final boss story and some weapon too? I tend to confuse which build i suppose to use
I didn't have a specific build. I used my highrank set and swapped out parts that were better, went with the Kamura -> Garangolm > Lunagaron sns
6:49 And that feature is more niche than anything
Me a CB main: So I took that personally
CB mains are made of a different calibre
@@Dr_Philliam Great video! It really helped me jump into using SnS and I'm having a blast.
hi beautiful guide ! can you do a video on sns builds ?
What about Drill Slash? I thought the buff to the elemental multiplier in its multi-hit from 0.8 to 1.3 would be enough to make it viable D:
Drill Slash ends up being worst most of the time
When’s the build break down? Or which weapon for each element?! Either way great vid
Soon my guy! Tyvm
Are the buffs you mentioned at the start live on the Xbox version or is that just sunbreak stuff? Guess I'm wondering if sword combos or shield combos are the way to go pre sunbreak on 10.03 or whatever the Xbox version is.
Hey Ditro! Thanks for your comment, but I'm not entirely sure. I know the MV buffs should be there, so the old combos should also be stronger, buuut you definitely won't have access to the new moves, which is a key component to the new combo. c:
@Dr. Phil gotcha. The main draw to doing sns would be for support and the stun damage with the shield. Seeing you jack monsters up with your bash combos during your streams back at the start of Rise still is fresh in my mind. Hopefully shield combos are viable still.
Think I'm just gonna cave and get the expansion on switch and play over there. I'd be on xbox if the expansion was out, but with Sunbreak coming out on xbox possibly around Diablo 4...no contest hah.
This tutorial felt more like a documentary
Is that a good thing? That's a good thing right?
@@Dr_Philliam I don't know what they meant by it, but for me it is a good thing. You are good at explaining where each combo is best used, so I'll often watch a basic quick tutorial on changes to get me started and come back later and watch your guide like 10 times to get the nitty gritty down. At that point I need facts clearly outlined to help me figure out what I should be doing at varying parts of the fight. I am often in the training room practicing while watching, so it helps you get to the point and tell me what I need to know in a format I can rewind and rewatch a few times without having to sift through a lot of additional commentary. Awesome guide!
@@tragadord975 man... thank you so so much
Thanks for the guide man..appreciate it! Silly question tho..do we need to own monster hunter sunrise expansion to have the current buffs/changes to SNS Skills?
It was like that for World and Iceborne, so I'd say yes?
You don't need Sunbreak to get the balancing changes, but you do need it if you want any of the new stuff, like the new switch skills and the skill swap feature.
Hear me out…Val sns (Gates of Heaven) with Val rampage deco, dragon att 5, dragon heart 3 and dereliction 3…I know it sounds dumb…but once everything was activated (on red scroll I didn’t check blue) I had 450 raw and 104 dragon. It also has resentment 4 and I put crit element 2 and offensive guard. I did it for shits and giggles because it’s kinda suggested a lot to just not do dereliction and dragonheart because of health management.
When I couldn’t get everything activated it usually was like 419 raw and 91 dragon
problem is that the valstrax pieces barely got any better and there's almost always better pieces to use overall than val, but Dereliction is nutty
@@Dr_Philliam yeah, i saw someone run a similar build and really they just used the helm and used archfiend everywhere else. It’s more just to get dragon light for the extra 20% dragon and then also having dragon attack 5 and the dereliction red scroll gives you +20 elemental damage. I chose dragon heart 3 just to get dragon light at 70% rather than 50% health. The guy I saw was using CB vs Gias but it was literally “I have 1hp and can’t let myself take a song hit so only use counter WB and dodge” so super high risk, but he cleared it in 5min20sec.
Great guide! The combo tips were super helpful. I’m surprised you didn’t mention redirection or show your go to build though! Can you share please?
well it's only a guide on how to play the weapon, not necessarily the skills
Ah, I understand
@@Dr_Philliam 💀💀
@@JodyBrownIV huh?
Good day! Have you tried embolden guard slash>PR gameplay sir?
Your vids are always so good. How about destroyer oil? Is it good enough to replace windmill or is it not worth it
Thanks a ton man
Destroyer oil is bad because it has a long cooldown
@@Dr_Philliam 💀💀alright appreciate the reply man
Didn't even bring up destroyer oil, huh? They must've really effed up with getting that one to work
let me copy my reply to another comment: " I frankly completely forgot about it, I hope that's enough to tell you everything you need to know. Realistically, it's best use is to use it for part breaking. Which is for farming solely and even then it's really not a big difference."
Best voice and sns player in the biz
Only a true madman would say that
Haven't done any strict timed testing, but it seems obvious to me that the " A->A->A->AX " loop is better than the lateral twin combo, did I miss it or did you not even mention the former?
A bit late but he says this is the bread and butter combo and calls it the lateral slash combo
@@abrahamdiaz3489 I mean not using spinning reaper at all
It’s like thor’s voice teaching us how to sns lol
Chris Hemsworth seeing all these comments being like: "who tf is this".
Too bad I don't look like him
I like the new combo but man, I really miss the old MHW combo
You could just cycle it and there would be barely any delay between each hit
It was great to rack up part break damage when you weren't doing a Perfect Rush
Just started master rank, using the Bishaten blast SnS with a mix of shield bashes and twin blade/lateral slash is super fun. I'm guessing drill slash and destroyer oil aren't that useful?
drill slash is fine but almost always worse, destroyer oil is poop
@@Dr_Philliam shame destroyer oil got shafted, was really excited for it
Honestly a bit surprised, since Shield and Shield still feels really good to me, damage-wise. x)
Guess it's time to get my ass kicked while I try to get my muscle memory in check! orz
It didn't get any nerfs, just slight buffs so it's still good. But lateral is just so much better. It's like slash dancing in iceborne. It's good by itself but PR was just so broken
I sat in the training room for like 45 minutes a couple nights ago and just ran the combos over and over, with every permutation. Once you get the muscle memory down you seldom have to manually reposition, since Spinning Reaper and Twin Blade both have a reposition baked in. It makes a huge difference.
I dont get why you need to press down while doing the lateral loop. I tried it and it still works without pressing down. Or am i missing something?
at the end of the lateral loop* :P
Turns out PR is still good, its has over 100 more MV(314, 354 if you count the leaping slash) than the optimal combo but it doesn't do as much as elemental damage (because shield doesn't proc element).
Yeah, but it's only really good for raw builds:
"Quote:
"x, x, a, a, x+a, replacing x+a with a, x+a on 3rd loop: 429mv + 16emv
a, a, x+a, x/a, replacing x+a, x/a with a, x+a on 4th: 477mv + 16emv
a, a, a, x+a, zr +x, dropping the zr + x on 3rd:
495mv + 14emv
a, a, x, adding an x+a on 4th loop: 473mv + 18.6emv
Prush into falling bash, a, a, a, X+A: 521mv + 13.5emv""
@@Dr_Philliam I know PR isn't as good for elemental builds(normally). Im just saying when a monster is downed its probably worth doing PR even with a elemental build, overall more damage but the damage just happens to be less elemental focused. Saves some sharpness too.
@@Dr_Philliam But you already made that point by saying PR is niche, sorry, i forgot you said that.
Can you please clearly type out the best combo to do, I’m struggling to understand, with my hearing, and the button inputs on scream are confusing to Me 😢 thank you, especially the section with the blocking
I'll just copy parts of my script for you
@@Dr_Philliam thank you! Much loved! This has helped greatly!
@@theprinceeso1538 anytime, glad to help!
Is it me or did they change something to the game? The first 2 loop do not work for me :(
hello, do you think motion values will be the same for base rise even without the dlc?
MVs are updated, but not the moveset
im really sorry ti as but how do you unlock mestu shoryugeki? its not in my switch skill list..!
What armor skills would you recommend for an SnS set?
check the recent build video I posted c:
@@Dr_Philliam already did
can you make please an build guide for sns? Elemental/Dmg and Support
I'll make build videos, yes, but I won't show off any support builds :p
So what's the best infinite combo for raw focus? And best infinite for ele?
Poggers doc.
thanks my guy
@@Dr_Philliam i will try sword and shield soon
I want to love sword and shield but having to save 2 wire bugs for the counter when chargeblade perfect counter is 1 feels bad.
Muffler duffer you can back hop to avoid attacks?
you sure can!