@@psychopath1970 Yeah, they forget that they are obligated to like every piece of cinema that is released if they aren't themselves writers and directors.🙄
I want to do a rewrite of this where the t-shirt vendor is just some crackpot making up the story about the trap. Josh Hartnett's Butcher goes through all this trouble and the FBI was actually targeting some really dangerous dork who was stalking Lady Raven.
My biggest issues in the movie were clarified by the singer being his daughter. There was a lost of good moments in there, but I couldn't grasp why we were seeing so much of the concert or why the singer took on the role she did in the film.
yeah I felt the same way, when the singer all of a sudden became a main character and knew so much information about the operation. I feel like the whole movie should have been in the concert, things really dropped off after they left the venue.
@@rocket9859hope so, always felt he was super talented , but typical Hollywood casting (make him the lovable , Mr Right, always the good guy) had an ok career until of late where he has been on a good streak . Hope Nolan keeps him on his recurring cast of actors like Murphy
I swear some of the characters had ps2 video game lines, like the one lady backstage randomly telling Hartnetts character that the only people thay dont need to be security checked are raven and her group, literally out of no where. There was absolutely no reason to tell him that it seemed like a quest or something like each side chatacter was trying to help him get to the next level of escaping.
Loved the first part of the movie. They kind of lost me at the second part. Other people in the audience seemed to give up on the movie at that point. Just started talking and laughing. My biggest complaint was that Lady Raven had such a savior complex. If she really cared about human life, she wouldn't have allowed her concert or fans to be used as a Trap for a dangerous psychopath. And made herself the hero by live-streaming herself in his house and getting her fans to find the victim. Literally put herself and his family in danger of getting killed by exposing him. Why not destroy his phone and call the police with her own phone? Then had the audacity to go hug the victim while her fans watched. What makes her think he wanted to be hugged by a stranger after everything he's been through? Just had to make the whole thing a show for her fans. I rest my case.
I’m not sure how he wrote a script where people go to a pop star they really want to see… and then all these people are walking around the stadium not watching the singer. Bizarre 😂
There is a lengthy conversation in the film about the carpets in his house and how his wife is worried about the state of the carpets, what with their important visitor and all. Once inside, we see the house has hardwood floors. To me, this sums up the whole film. Nothing makes sense, continuity doesn't matter, and in no world would all the police in the country descend on a concert, tell every staff member all the privileged details, and "question all the males" because they don't even have a description. There are no carpets.
Saleka's songs had wayyyyyy too much screentime. I was sitting there like "So what does this have to do with the plot of the movie?" waiting for something crazy to happen but nothing ever did. Third act Josh Hartnett was great though.
This movie is actually the latest in his Unbreakable superhero universe and nobody even realises. Dude has the power of luck. Re-watch with this in mind. There are 20+ examples of luck that appear to the naked eye to be bad writing or plotholes but are actually brilliant.
I kept thinking this dude is too damn lucky for no reason, but I never connected it to the Unbreakable series. I mean the first Unbreakable movie barely made sense at first so it’s plausible.
The premise never made sense to me based on the trailers. 1.) They either know who he is and could just go to his house and get him or 2.) they don't and they'd never be able to pick him out of the crowd. If he walks out the door how would they even know he's the killer?
The plot holes were astonishing. I mean he literally could have just walked out of the concert at any time. They literally had nothing on him. The only way he possibly gets caught is confessing.
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I was also thinking that I felt like I've been seeing Josh in a lot of good roles lately. I've loved him back from his The Faculty, Black Hawk Down, Virgin Suicide days. I really hope we continue to see more of him & he keeps making interesting choices.
Haven't seen this movie but weird, stilted dialogue can be amazing when done right. David Lynch's entire body of work is basically a masterclass in uncanny dialogue and conversations that seem like dream-like approximations of human interaction. For me, it made something like Twin Peaks so effective and unsettling. And like Lynch's movies, the Silent Hill franchise is the same exact way, with strange pauses, flat affect, and circular dialogue that seems to almost fold in on itself to the point where the words themselves suddenly lose meaning. (A premise that the movie Pontypool uses brilliantly). Signs had some interesting dialogue, especially the scene with the military recruiter, and it felt super intentional. But nowadays, who knows?
And he does that twice this year, he wanted to make his daughter famous and that's fine, every dads wants their daughter to be succesful too, just that, he really put them in a bad taste
Yeah, when you’re forcing people to listen to something, they’re definitely not going to like it. Well, unless it was Whitney Houston. But for mid pop music? Please!
@@buloimakes2835I thought there were too many stupid plot contrivances that just made no sense. At this point M Night has GOTTA know that what he’s writing is BAD, like REALLY BAD, but if this was a movie written by anyone else I feel like most people that would watch it would notice the incredibly shit writing more
Josh and the shirt vendor did great! But the movie lost all of its substance when it left the concert venue and made Raven a key character to the plot.
How did the cops just randomly become completely stupid at the end of the movie, they do this huge elaborate scheme at the venue with 1000s of cops and then when they find exacly where he is they bring 3 cars and LEAVE HIM ALONE in the back of the van. AND NO ONE CHECKED A SECOND TIME TO FIND THE GIANT METAL ROD. I just cant
Why didn't Lady Raven just scream at them in the hallway of the arena that he was The Butcher? They would've wrestled him down faster than he could've reached for the phone
It's like the CBS Dick Wolf FBI shows. Unless it's later in the episode, only two agents will go to confront a dangerous criminal or terrorist who will always find a way to escape.
Counterpoint: M. Night knowing he writes weird, unnatural dialogue and then making his protagonist a complete psychopath so it fits was a stroke of genius.
@@sammynewcomer2611There’s nothing else in the filmmaking of Shyamalan movies that warrant the interpretation that he’s doing it on purpose. Lanthimos movies are weird in almost every single way, from dialogue to plot to directing to music. Shyamalan makes standard thrillers meant to have a very wide appeal, and so there’s no reason to suggest that he’s been writing shit dialogue all these years because he’s some misunderstood auteur. He’s just a bad writer.
I get that he wants to make his daughter famous, I mean who doesn't? Every dad really wants their daughters to be successful too, I know I would if I have a kid, just that, he really put them in a bad taste twice this year
@@ErasureeraserThe fact that they thought it was a good idea to trap a serial killer in an arena with tons of people is what made me laugh so hard at the trailer. I still want to see it 😂
@@Moo.1336 Idk if you've seen it yet but the plan is really dumb and the explanation for why they know he'll be there is also really really dumb. This whole movie ridiculous nonsense but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't thoroughly entertained
It's weird none of the reviewers have mentioned this point but it is clearly stated in the second half of the movie that the the concert was already announced and the FBI told the artist like just two weeks ago that the serial killer is going to be there. But for some reason everyone thinks that the concert was announced/created only to catch the serial killer. Weird
*Spoilers below* . . . . . . . Because I kept expecting (hoping for) a twist other than what the trailer had already revealed, at some point I suspected the MOTHER to be the actual Butcher, holding hostages and live-streaming them to cooper to get him to spend some quality time with his daughter. Like, Cooper (Hartnet) would have been a hostage this whole time, trying to save the man's life by escaping without being caught. Alas, no twist, only predictable turns.
I thought that would be the twist too. When they were all sitting down in the living room, I was waiting for the Wife to say something out of character and reveal herself as part of the murders. I think that would have been good and creepy...but nope! I dont know why after all of these years, I still expect something out of M. Night Shyamalan.
@@shanenolan085He actually finances his own movie independently, at least since The Visit. That's why this movie got a interim agreement to filmed the movie during last year's actor's strike. And that includes his daughter's first movie which was also distributed by Warner Bros but was self financed by his daddy independently
And they are trying to Trap a Parent. I think you're onto something! EDIT: If we find out (not sure how we would) that he only reached out to her for this pun-y crap I'll walk away from all of M. Night's films, even the good ones like Unbreakable.
I love going down the line of reviewers of increasing blunt honesty. First is Stuckmann, which these days is opinionless bs. Next is Jeremy, which is high energy honesty. Then finally, Dan, the most detail oriented and honest of them all.
I agree, it truly was a trap for me as a spectator. I can't believe so much budget is invested in something like this; however I sincerely hope the writers were paid a symbolic wage, because they delivered a ludicrous plot, really pushing the viewer's suspension of disbelief in there.
02:21 #nepotism. 😂 But seriously, I guess it’s easier using his daughter and her songs than using an established artist and their music. No royalties to pay to a record company, the songs are doing double the work here being part of the film and the soundtrack plus works in their own right. But still, I kinda would’ve liked to have seen M Night approach someone like Taylor Swift or her tour mate Sabrina Carpenter and stage it around them instead! 😂
THANK YOU!! I agree with every single point you made. I have been scratching my head reading some other reviews of this film. This was ridiculously bad.
I didn't think it was that bad. I enjoyed the first half of the movie taking place in the arena. Youre interested in how Cooper is going to get out and what he's learning along the way. I thought it kind of derailed after that with much more muddled pacing and like 4 different parts where the movie could've ended. Definitely "its okay" territory for me
When I first saw the trailer for this movie I was SO HYPED! It was my exact vibe and interest. But the second I saw M Nights name included I immediately was like “oh…never mind then..”
It’s a comedy. It’s a satirical take on the genre. Hartnett is playing Norman Bates. A normal guy with mommy issues. Plus Hayley Mills from The Parent Trap, sets the trap for the parent. Get it? Our crowd was laughing at the out there dialogue. 250 people in Burbank had a ball.
People saying the dialogue is odd intentionally, no it isnt. This isnt odd like David Lynch/Cronenberg. Its like an afterschool special about staying away from drugs.
I think that M.Night Shyamalan is trying to be clever in the dialogue, like he is trying to create his own universe, but he is just so bad at it. Its the same with his direction, he tries to be like Hitchcock, but he isnt capable of pulling it off because he just isnt talented enough. We see glimpses, but the outcome is always a let down. I always hype myself up for his new movies and am always disappointed...except for Split.
Sub’d on describing M. Night’s talents as a roll of the dice. Totally agree! I always look forward to his movies and keep my fingers crossed it won’t be crap. When it’s good it’s really good.
The movie saying they are in Philadelphia, but the high rise buildings are clearly in Toronto was something I couldn't get over. There were many Canadian thing they didn't even bother to hide in some shots.
i, for one, was very thrilled / filled with suspense. i think the most important dynamic in this movie is that of the lives the protagonist lives; one as a family man, the other as a serial killer. and how those two lives mix in a unsettling fashion.
Josh Hartnett was good in Operation Fortune too, although at a certain point the movie didn't seem to know what to do with his character, and that movie didn't do all that well either.
Guy Ritchie is also a director like Shyamalan who has a very distinct filmmaking style but doesn’t always translate to making good movies. When they hit they really hit, when they miss it wildly goes off the rails
I was saying to my Mrs after watching the film, why is the signing parts so unnecessarily long . Googled the actress and find out with is a song writer and artist. Makes so much sense now as to why half the film was focused on her singing. The cynic in me believes this film was created to promote his daughter's career nothing more . and why was the concert during the day ?
I’m a huge M Night fan. Old is probably my least favorite of his. Probably because I was excited for the premise but it was bad and turned to worse especially in the third act. The happening was just a bore for me. I actually like the Last Airbender but I never watched the original show. Loved split and really love the Village. I have never met anyone else that loves the Village as much as I do.
Just got back from a screening and I mostly agree with you. The king of self sabotage continues his mad reign. I actually liked the first part and would have preferred the whole movie was contained to the arena. One thing I did appreciate was the authenticity of the show itself. Most concerts in narrative films are as alien to real experience as... well, as every other aspect of this movie is.
Trap is a great movie experience. M.Night Shyamalan delivers a ridiculously entertaining thriller packed with twists, turns and surprises from start to finish. The selling point is Josh Harnett as the butcher, a distinguished performance from the seasoned actor, Shyamalan‘s audacious script gives Harnett the ability to cut loose in role. Blurring the lines between denial and insanity, Harnett is utterly engrossing as the infamous Butcher. The supporting cast do an affable job in their respective roles, particularly Ariel Donoghue as the Butcher’s daughter. The father/daughter relationship adds complex layers to the character of Butcher. The film isn’t perfect. The film isn’t perfect, during the second half he looses his grip on fluidity, relying too much on radical plot conveniences, that get quite silly and comical by the film’s end. Nonetheless the story ends with a very clever twist. If you can ignore the lack of logic, you’ll be pleasantly surprised by the film’s ability to keep you guessing. Shyamalan maintains a healthy amount of suspense throughout. It’s worth watching once. I had a great time and I can’t wait to watch it again.
This is not a "Shyamalan movie". I watched this like i think others too, mainly because like almost all his other movies, of the anticipated "Shyamalan Twist". The ending isn't that, Twist. This is just like an ordinary thriller that has a solid first half. The "Trap" was going to the movies expecting the classic cool offbeat Shyamalan Twist in the end, ...which isn't there.
You said it. The "twist" this time was that M. Night trapped US, the viewers, into watching a vanity project for his daughter's "music" masquerading as a serial killer thriller movie.
Hate to say this but M Night is not the brightest bulb. Sure he has interesting ideas, also he can direct with relative competence, but that's it. His writing is what outs him. Omg some dialogues are so childish and du mb. It's like they were written by some junior highschooler. And the nonsense of how characters act... don't get me started. Well, at least this movie is a big improvement over lady in the water, that movie made me cringe so hard.
It was a pg-13 so you really can’t have super high expectations, yeah some stuff was a little odd but overall it had a good story and great acting by Hartnet
Man, I was disappointed by the 2nd half of this movie. I really don't care that much about the bad acting and plot holes because the 1st half premise had me really intrigued. But that quickly went away when it turned into a cookie-cutter thriller. I don't think it was necessarily "bad", I just felt myself becoming more indifferent towards the characters and the 3rd Act as a whole as the movie progressed. I've seen many people make the comment that this script would've been better served if they cut out the 3rd Act and made it a 60-75 minute episode of Black Mirror or Twilight Zone or something along those lines. I tend to agree. 2nd half, especially the last 15-20 minutes, really fell flat for me. 1st half was really enjoyable, though, I will say.
Another M Night Shyamalan film: meaning don’t forget to bring along your 60-foot plot-armored crane to suspend the 300 metric tons of disbelief required to avoid seeing the gaping plot holes that riddle his movies. and make sure to bring along the dialogue ear filters too, that filter out all of the bonkers plot-exposure dialogue spewed by the cast. Then you might actually enjoy the movie.
I feel like someone has watched De Palma's Snake Eyes without the potential 🤣. Also Hayley Mills in Tiger Bay - Jodie Foster-level child actor performance
Fun fact: I could only see a certain number of rated R movies when I was younger, and I chose Snake Eyes as one of them because I was hooked by the hype around the opening uncut shot. After my mom saw it, she said "Eh, you can have that one back."
This movie had so much potential. But still I have to give MNS credit for making original content. And unlike all the soulless remakes/reboots, at least it was interesting.
The premise is just stupid. It’s a ridiculous way to catch a dangerous serial killer. And yeah audiences foolish enough to buy into the premise they kind of deserved to be force fed this singer’s music
Not great, but not terrible. Josh Hartnett and Allison Pill both had good performances. Both underrated. I felt anxious the whole movie which is the point of a thriller. Did not like that he was going to get away with it but it was creative to see how he got out of situations.
I personally prefered this to Knock at the Cabin but agree with all your criticism of the film. I was saying that if Josh Hartnett wasn't in it, I'd probably have left during the intermission, I was so bored during the first hour or so. But his performance was really great, I agree especially in the third act.
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This was supposed to be a comeback vehicle for Josh Hartnett? His IMDB page says he's been working almost nonstop since the late 90s, so I'm not sure what he's coming back from. Didn't seem like he ever left. I'm not sure what I recognize him from. I just know him as the C-list actor who looks like Ashton Kutcher.
I was totally hyped and ready to see this, but after this trusted review, I'm not gonna bother. Thanks, Dan, you've just saved me from wasting my money
Shyamalan, a favorite writer, director, often gets lost in his films, aiming for a specific feel that doesn’t resonate with most. The poor acting in “Old” took me out of the movie, leaving me unsure if it was bad acting or Shyamalan’s intention. I haven’t seen Trapped yet, but it seems to have the same problem as every one of Shyamalan’s films since, “Split.” .
Good thing that t shirt vendor gave him all the details needed to get the plot going lol.
Yep Wayne's World style.
So many critics who's done nothing themselves.
@@psychopath1970 Yeah, they forget that they are obligated to like every piece of cinema that is released if they aren't themselves writers and directors.🙄
I want to do a rewrite of this where the t-shirt vendor is just some crackpot making up the story about the trap. Josh Hartnett's Butcher goes through all this trouble and the FBI was actually targeting some really dangerous dork who was stalking Lady Raven.
@@BoringAngler That would have been a nice twist. I hear this movie has no M. Night twist.
I’m actually her uncle, her mother’s brother.
This is a real line of dialogue delivered by M. Night himself to Josh Hartnet’s character.
Oh, god. He makes a cameo again?!? Ugh.
To be fair, he could have been her FATHER's brother. So it was crucial for the film to include that clarifying detail.
So THAT'S what an uncle is 😮
The second sentence in the trailer told me the man still hasn't learned to write. "Okay, Dad." Why does she say "Dad"?
😂@@fangal12
Theory: M. Night Shyamalan is secretly identical twins like in The Prestige, but one is talented and the other isn’t
What a twist!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sees Will Smith propping up the acting/music careers of his 2 children...
M. Night Shyamalan: Hold my chardonnay...
Hey, probably Shyalaman learnt that from Mr Smith when he was directing After Earth
😂😂😂
My biggest issues in the movie were clarified by the singer being his daughter. There was a lost of good moments in there, but I couldn't grasp why we were seeing so much of the concert or why the singer took on the role she did in the film.
yeah I felt the same way, when the singer all of a sudden became a main character and knew so much information about the operation. I feel like the whole movie should have been in the concert, things really dropped off after they left the venue.
Someone get Denis Villeneuve on the phone and tell him to give Josh Hartnett a role.
And Hayley Mills - quick. This must not be her last film.
@@pattheplanter If he gets another Dune they could EASILY be slipped into that myriad of characters!
@@Sharpe1502 I think Josh is now in Nolan’s rolodex of actors he constantly uses.
@@rocket9859hope so, always felt he was super talented , but typical Hollywood casting (make him the lovable , Mr Right, always the good guy) had an ok career until of late where he has been on a good streak . Hope Nolan keeps him on his recurring cast of actors like Murphy
I fear we may have lost Denis to the world of Dune. Much like Cameron and Avatar. We need them making more movies and yes, Hartnett is a great choice.
You know it’s gonna be a good review when Dan makes that face 😂
I think I'm going to just start calling it the "Shyamalan face."
@@DanMurrellMovies LMAO
DAN THE MAN MURRELL! 😎
He should start doing that face for every single good review 😂
@@DanMurrellMoviesWhat a twist!
How abt a movie where M Night, Tyler Perry and Zack Snyder are Trapped in a room filled with good writers..😂😂😂😂
And they are completely unaware of the fact for the entire 2 hours.
Add the guy who made the despicable Winnie The Pooh movies 😂
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
@@Erasureeraser despicable me and Winnie the pooh? Now there's the crossover we're all asking for
😂😂😂.
I swear some of the characters had ps2 video game lines, like the one lady backstage randomly telling Hartnetts character that the only people thay dont need to be security checked are raven and her group, literally out of no where. There was absolutely no reason to tell him that it seemed like a quest or something like each side chatacter was trying to help him get to the next level of escaping.
The highlight for me really was Josh Harnett. I don't think this movie is watchable without his performance.
“Trap” is like a Tubi original movie.
DING, DING! We have a winner 😂
and shot on 35mm film.. what a waste!!! 😬
Loved the first part of the movie. They kind of lost me at the second part. Other people in the audience seemed to give up on the movie at that point. Just started talking and laughing. My biggest complaint was that Lady Raven had such a savior complex. If she really cared about human life, she wouldn't have allowed her concert or fans to be used as a Trap for a dangerous psychopath. And made herself the hero by live-streaming herself in his house and getting her fans to find the victim. Literally put herself and his family in danger of getting killed by exposing him. Why not destroy his phone and call the police with her own phone? Then had the audacity to go hug the victim while her fans watched. What makes her think he wanted to be hugged by a stranger after everything he's been through? Just had to make the whole thing a show for her fans. I rest my case.
I’m not sure how he wrote a script where people go to a pop star they really want to see… and then all these people are walking around the stadium not watching the singer. Bizarre 😂
this!!! it's like he's never been to a concert.
It was horrible
5:21: When I heard Hayley Mills, I was thinking, "*that* Hayley Mills?"
Imagine being 78 and getting a call from M Night - and actually bothering to join the cast. This will seal my legacy as a star!
It’s a parent trap!
There is a lengthy conversation in the film about the carpets in his house and how his wife is worried about the state of the carpets, what with their important visitor and all. Once inside, we see the house has hardwood floors. To me, this sums up the whole film. Nothing makes sense, continuity doesn't matter, and in no world would all the police in the country descend on a concert, tell every staff member all the privileged details, and "question all the males" because they don't even have a description. There are no carpets.
Saleka's songs had wayyyyyy too much screentime. I was sitting there like "So what does this have to do with the plot of the movie?" waiting for something crazy to happen but nothing ever did. Third act Josh Hartnett was great though.
"as if they have never had a human interaction before" --- THAT was awesome!
There was even a billboard with an ad for The Watchers in the background of the opening scene. So it really is an ad for two of his daughters.
I noticed it too.
This movie is actually the latest in his Unbreakable superhero universe and nobody even realises.
Dude has the power of luck.
Re-watch with this in mind.
There are 20+ examples of luck that appear to the naked eye to be bad writing or plotholes but are actually brilliant.
This makes so much sense.
thank you for this reframing, I struggled to not walk out, hoping for a decent twist
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I kept thinking this dude is too damn lucky for no reason, but I never connected it to the Unbreakable series.
I mean the first Unbreakable movie barely made sense at first so it’s plausible.
The premise never made sense to me based on the trailers. 1.) They either know who he is and could just go to his house and get him or 2.) they don't and they'd never be able to pick him out of the crowd. If he walks out the door how would they even know he's the killer?
It's even worse in the movie. It's so, so dumb.
Tbf they know about the tattoo on his arm so they can kinda identify him but don't know who he is or where he lives of course
The plot holes were astonishing. I mean he literally could have just walked out of the concert at any time. They literally had nothing on him. The only way he possibly gets caught is confessing.
He had the tattoo on his wrist which could get him caught.
The real trap is he tricked us into listening to he's daughter sing
True that! It’s kinda lame!
For what it’s worth she’s pretty good.
I’m glad to hear Dan speak well of Josh Hartnett. I’ve always really liked the guy! I was beginning to think no one else did!
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The t-shirt guy knowing everything made me laugh when I saw the trailer
we have entered the Shyamalan nepo baby era.
first the watchers and now this.
The irony is that his other daughter who made the watchers made a better than her dad at least.
Josh Hartnett’s been back a while with Penny Dreadful, Oppenheimer and that really amazing Black Mirror episode
Oh Lucy! Is another great performance of his
I was also thinking that I felt like I've been seeing Josh in a lot of good roles lately. I've loved him back from his The Faculty, Black Hawk Down, Virgin Suicide days. I really hope we continue to see more of him & he keeps making interesting choices.
He was in Oppenheimer for like 20 seconds
Haven't seen this movie but weird, stilted dialogue can be amazing when done right. David Lynch's entire body of work is basically a masterclass in uncanny dialogue and conversations that seem like dream-like approximations of human interaction. For me, it made something like Twin Peaks so effective and unsettling.
And like Lynch's movies, the Silent Hill franchise is the same exact way, with strange pauses, flat affect, and circular dialogue that seems to almost fold in on itself to the point where the words themselves suddenly lose meaning. (A premise that the movie Pontypool uses brilliantly).
Signs had some interesting dialogue, especially the scene with the military recruiter, and it felt super intentional. But nowadays, who knows?
Damnit, I was looking forward to this. Shyamalan did his daughter a disservice with the nepotism.
And he does that twice this year, he wanted to make his daughter famous and that's fine, every dads wants their daughter to be succesful too, just that, he really put them in a bad taste
This movie was good. I don’t know why people hate it. If this movie is made the way it is and has no Shyamalan in it they’ll give it a higher grade.
@@buloimakes2835m night can do his cameo shtick that’s whatever but leveraging all that plot on raven was a biiiig mistake. Damn it.
Yeah, when you’re forcing people to listen to something, they’re definitely not going to like it. Well, unless it was Whitney Houston. But for mid pop music? Please!
@@buloimakes2835I thought there were too many stupid plot contrivances that just made no sense. At this point M Night has GOTTA know that what he’s writing is BAD, like REALLY BAD, but if this was a movie written by anyone else I feel like most people that would watch it would notice the incredibly shit writing more
Josh and the shirt vendor did great! But the movie lost all of its substance when it left the concert venue and made Raven a key character to the plot.
100% agree. He almost made me feel like I was at the concert with them and when they left, it ruined it. After that, anything could happen.
"What a twist!"
- M. Night Shyamalan
The only twist was that I bought tickets to a concert I thought was actually a movie 😂
How did the cops just randomly become completely stupid at the end of the movie, they do this huge elaborate scheme at the venue with 1000s of cops and then when they find exacly where he is they bring 3 cars and LEAVE HIM ALONE in the back of the van. AND NO ONE CHECKED A SECOND TIME TO FIND THE GIANT METAL ROD. I just cant
Why didn't Lady Raven just scream at them in the hallway of the arena that he was The Butcher? They would've wrestled him down faster than he could've reached for the phone
Because he needed to rip off The Silence of The Lambs.
It's like the CBS Dick Wolf FBI shows. Unless it's later in the episode, only two agents will go to confront a dangerous criminal or terrorist who will always find a way to escape.
It went to shit after he told raven who he was and then got worse as it went on from there.
Counterpoint: M. Night knowing he writes weird, unnatural dialogue and then making his protagonist a complete psychopath so it fits was a stroke of genius.
That only works if he wrote unnatural stilted dialogue for only the serial killer.
No one complains when Lanthimos writes dialogue that sounds nothing like how people talk - but people assume M Night isn’t doing this on purpose?
@@sammynewcomer2611There’s nothing else in the filmmaking of Shyamalan movies that warrant the interpretation that he’s doing it on purpose. Lanthimos movies are weird in almost every single way, from dialogue to plot to directing to music. Shyamalan makes standard thrillers meant to have a very wide appeal, and so there’s no reason to suggest that he’s been writing shit dialogue all these years because he’s some misunderstood auteur. He’s just a bad writer.
Too bad all his characters talk the same way so this analysis makes no sense lol.
@@alexmaverick6647 The twist is - everybody is a psychopathic serial killer.
The final conversation between Cooper and his wife was great acting
Thank you Dan for being honest about his daughter stuff. I was wondering the same thing. You rock man!
I get that he wants to make his daughter famous, I mean who doesn't? Every dad really wants their daughters to be successful too, I know I would if I have a kid, just that, he really put them in a bad taste twice this year
I knew it was probably gonna be a mess when I started noticing plot holes in the trailer 🤷🏼♂️
The police protocol is what concerns me the most 😂
@@ErasureeraserThe fact that they thought it was a good idea to trap a serial killer in an arena with tons of people is what made me laugh so hard at the trailer. I still want to see it 😂
@@Moo.1336 Idk if you've seen it yet but the plan is really dumb and the explanation for why they know he'll be there is also really really dumb. This whole movie ridiculous nonsense but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't thoroughly entertained
It's weird none of the reviewers have mentioned this point but it is clearly stated in the second half of the movie that the the concert was already announced and the FBI told the artist like just two weeks ago that the serial killer is going to be there. But for some reason everyone thinks that the concert was announced/created only to catch the serial killer. Weird
The only redeeming quality about this movie was Josh Hartnett. Glad to see his resurgence, but this movie was a complete waste of my time
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Because I kept expecting (hoping for) a twist other than what the trailer had already revealed, at some point I suspected
the MOTHER to be the actual Butcher, holding hostages and live-streaming them to cooper to get him to spend some quality time with his daughter.
Like, Cooper (Hartnet) would have been a hostage this whole time, trying to save the man's life by escaping without being caught.
Alas, no twist, only predictable turns.
I thought that would be the twist too. When they were all sitting down in the living room, I was waiting for the Wife to say something out of character and reveal herself as part of the murders. I think that would have been good and creepy...but nope! I dont know why after all of these years, I still expect something out of M. Night Shyamalan.
It’s ok to say M Night S. Sucks.
No it's not.
I'm surprised Hollywood still finance and distribute his films... 😂😂😂
@@shanenolan085they don't really. He finances most of his modern films himself
@@shanenolan085He actually finances his own movie independently, at least since The Visit. That's why this movie got a interim agreement to filmed the movie during last year's actor's strike. And that includes his daughter's first movie which was also distributed by Warner Bros but was self financed by his daddy independently
@@isaac.farrelland when they hit, he keeps the 100 million 😮
The review I was waiting for!
It's named Trap, Hayley Mills is from The Parent Trap, get it?
And they are trying to Trap a Parent. I think you're onto something! EDIT: If we find out (not sure how we would) that he only reached out to her for this pun-y crap I'll walk away from all of M. Night's films, even the good ones like Unbreakable.
@@oneopinion6806 Now that you guys have pointed this out...I have no doubt in my mind that this is exactly why he cast her 🤣
I love going down the line of reviewers of increasing blunt honesty. First is Stuckmann, which these days is opinionless bs. Next is Jeremy, which is high energy honesty. Then finally, Dan, the most detail oriented and honest of them all.
I would throw in Double Toasted as well. Their reviews are longer, but they're sincere to their own opinions, whether I agree with them or not.
John campea is honest but just often has terrible taste 😅
@@ZUIKMedia yeah they’re good actually. Idk why I always forget about Double Toasted.
Dude I miss old Stuckmann. I used to really value his analysis. Now he just likes everything or doesn’t review it.
How I never knew the trivia around Good Morning Miss Bliss is insane. I grew up on Saved By The Bell.
That alone was worth the watch
I was waiting for your review!!
Josh Hartnett would make a killer Batman or Hal Jordan. Maybe Nolan should give Hartnett another call!
Thanks, Dan, for highlighting the career of Hayley Mills! I had forgotten about the Miss Bliss tv show. Good memories.
I agree, it truly was a trap for me as a spectator. I can't believe so much budget is invested in something like this; however I sincerely hope the writers were paid a symbolic wage, because they delivered a ludicrous plot, really pushing the viewer's suspension of disbelief in there.
02:21 #nepotism. 😂 But seriously, I guess it’s easier using his daughter and her songs than using an established artist and their music. No royalties to pay to a record company, the songs are doing double the work here being part of the film and the soundtrack plus works in their own right. But still, I kinda would’ve liked to have seen M Night approach someone like Taylor Swift or her tour mate Sabrina Carpenter and stage it around them instead! 😂
I like to think the Font he uses for his movies is a giveaway on whether it's gonna be good or not.
THANK YOU!!
I agree with every single point you made. I have been scratching my head reading some other reviews of this film. This was ridiculously bad.
I didn't think it was that bad. I enjoyed the first half of the movie taking place in the arena. Youre interested in how Cooper is going to get out and what he's learning along the way. I thought it kind of derailed after that with much more muddled pacing and like 4 different parts where the movie could've ended. Definitely "its okay" territory for me
When I first saw the trailer for this movie I was SO HYPED! It was my exact vibe and interest. But the second I saw M Nights name included I immediately was like “oh…never mind then..”
It’s a comedy. It’s a satirical take on the genre. Hartnett is playing Norman Bates. A normal guy with mommy issues. Plus Hayley Mills from The Parent Trap, sets the trap for the parent. Get it? Our crowd was laughing at the out there dialogue. 250 people in Burbank had a ball.
Oh it's definitely something to laugh at but not intentionally
Your dad jokes, pun intros are top-notch.
People saying the dialogue is odd intentionally, no it isnt. This isnt odd like David Lynch/Cronenberg. Its like an afterschool special about staying away from drugs.
I think that M.Night Shyamalan is trying to be clever in the dialogue, like he is trying to create his own universe, but he is just so bad at it. Its the same with his direction, he tries to be like Hitchcock, but he isnt capable of pulling it off because he just isnt talented enough. We see glimpses, but the outcome is always a let down. I always hype myself up for his new movies and am always disappointed...except for Split.
imagine an m night script cowritten by tommy wiseau
Oscar worthy indeed 😂
I listened to the whole Mando ad just to hear your preference in scent before purchase. Thank you, Dan
I just got out of it personally i thought it rocked. It was so fun
Great episode 🙏🏻
Sub’d on describing M. Night’s talents as a roll of the dice. Totally agree! I always look forward to his movies and keep my fingers crossed it won’t be crap. When it’s good it’s really good.
There would’ve been no real event staff working … it was a sting… EVERYONE at the venue would’ve been undercover.
Josh Harnett is so fun to watch. He did what he could with the material he had. Played a psychopath really well!
The movie saying they are in Philadelphia, but the high rise buildings are clearly in Toronto was something I couldn't get over. There were many Canadian thing they didn't even bother to hide in some shots.
I was on the fence about this one, Dan. Thanks for saving me a few bucks.
Would highly recommend reading Hayley Mills's memoir for everyone just discovering her career!
i, for one, was very thrilled / filled with suspense. i think the most important dynamic in this movie is that of the lives the protagonist lives; one as a family man, the other as a serial killer. and how those two lives mix in a unsettling fashion.
Why are they calling this Josh Hartnett’s comeback? He didn’t go anywhere. Hes been consistently working since his big break in the late 90’s.
Josh Hartnett was good in Operation Fortune too, although at a certain point the movie didn't seem to know what to do with his character, and that movie didn't do all that well either.
Oh Lucy! (2017) is another great performance of his, it's one of his most highly praised movie on Rotten Tomatoes, so that's pretty cool
Guy Ritchie is also a director like Shyamalan who has a very distinct filmmaking style but doesn’t always translate to making good movies. When they hit they really hit, when they miss it wildly goes off the rails
I was saying to my Mrs after watching the film, why is the signing parts so unnecessarily long . Googled the actress and find out with is a song writer and artist. Makes so much sense now as to why half the film was focused on her singing. The cynic in me believes this film was created to promote his daughter's career nothing more .
and why was the concert during the day ?
I’m a huge M Night fan. Old is probably my least favorite of his. Probably because I was excited for the premise but it was bad and turned to worse especially in the third act. The happening was just a bore for me. I actually like the Last Airbender but I never watched the original show. Loved split and really love the Village. I have never met anyone else that loves the Village as much as I do.
Love the review, 7:04 is so accurate!!
That Dan sounds personally wounded by this movie should tell us everything we need to know
really smart subtle jabs, dare i say, educated roasts of m night - you have a beautiful way with words mr murrell, ily
Just got back from a screening and I mostly agree with you. The king of self sabotage continues his mad reign. I actually liked the first part and would have preferred the whole movie was contained to the arena. One thing I did appreciate was the authenticity of the show itself. Most concerts in narrative films are as alien to real experience as... well, as every other aspect of this movie is.
The real trap was tricking the audience for them to listen to M. Night's daughter songs.
Trap is a great movie experience. M.Night Shyamalan delivers a ridiculously entertaining thriller packed with twists, turns and surprises from start to finish. The selling point is Josh Harnett as the butcher, a distinguished performance from the seasoned actor, Shyamalan‘s audacious script gives Harnett the ability to cut loose in role. Blurring the lines between denial and insanity, Harnett is utterly engrossing as the infamous Butcher. The supporting cast do an affable job in their respective roles, particularly Ariel Donoghue as the Butcher’s daughter. The father/daughter relationship adds complex layers to the character of Butcher. The film isn’t perfect. The film isn’t perfect, during the second half he looses his grip on fluidity, relying too much on radical plot conveniences, that get quite silly and comical by the film’s end. Nonetheless the story ends with a very clever twist. If you can ignore the lack of logic, you’ll be pleasantly surprised by the film’s ability to keep you guessing. Shyamalan maintains a healthy amount of suspense throughout. It’s worth watching once. I had a great time and I can’t wait to watch it again.
I think if you gave this premise to Brian DePalma or someone similar to his level this movie would be at least a tier or two above what it is now
This is why I think OLD is a hidden gem within the surrealist comedy genre. That movie is so bizarre and hilarious
I agree, one of the more fun recent "so bad it's good"
Old is that crappy gold
Old was just bad. Hidden gem?
I couldn’t even last more than 20mins with the horrible horrible acting
This is not a "Shyamalan movie". I watched this like i think others too, mainly because like almost all his other movies, of the anticipated "Shyamalan Twist".
The ending isn't that, Twist. This is just like an ordinary thriller that has a solid first half.
The "Trap" was going to the movies expecting the classic cool offbeat Shyamalan Twist in the end, ...which isn't there.
Hayley Mills knew how to spot a psychopath from her days dealing with Zack Morris
After finally seeing this movie, if this was all just for M. Night to boost his daughter’s music career, I don’t mind cause the music is good 🤷🏽♀️
You said it. The "twist" this time was that M. Night trapped US, the viewers, into watching a vanity project for his daughter's "music" masquerading as a serial killer thriller movie.
M. Night has been funding his films with his own money. Maybe not having enough outside input gives him tunnel vision
Hate to say this but M Night is not the brightest bulb. Sure he has interesting ideas, also he can direct with relative competence, but that's it. His writing is what outs him. Omg some dialogues are so childish and du mb. It's like they were written by some junior highschooler. And the nonsense of how characters act... don't get me started.
Well, at least this movie is a big improvement over lady in the water, that movie made me cringe so hard.
It was a pg-13 so you really can’t have super high expectations, yeah some stuff was a little odd but overall it had a good story and great acting by Hartnet
I wish the whole film had taken place in the arena. Once it left that setting, I checked out.
christopher nolan also doesn't understand how normal people talk in real life
Man, I was disappointed by the 2nd half of this movie. I really don't care that much about the bad acting and plot holes because the 1st half premise had me really intrigued. But that quickly went away when it turned into a cookie-cutter thriller. I don't think it was necessarily "bad", I just felt myself becoming more indifferent towards the characters and the 3rd Act as a whole as the movie progressed.
I've seen many people make the comment that this script would've been better served if they cut out the 3rd Act and made it a 60-75 minute episode of Black Mirror or Twilight Zone or something along those lines. I tend to agree. 2nd half, especially the last 15-20 minutes, really fell flat for me. 1st half was really enjoyable, though, I will say.
Another M Night Shyamalan film: meaning don’t forget to bring along your 60-foot plot-armored crane to suspend the 300 metric tons of disbelief required to avoid seeing the gaping plot holes that riddle his movies. and make sure to bring along the dialogue ear filters too, that filter out all of the bonkers plot-exposure dialogue spewed by the cast. Then you might actually enjoy the movie.
I feel like someone has watched De Palma's Snake Eyes without the potential 🤣. Also Hayley Mills in Tiger Bay - Jodie Foster-level child actor performance
Fun fact: I could only see a certain number of rated R movies when I was younger, and I chose Snake Eyes as one of them because I was hooked by the hype around the opening uncut shot. After my mom saw it, she said "Eh, you can have that one back."
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@@DanMurrellMoviesTaylor swifts ability to use her fans to solve crimes was an interesting idea they should have used it more!
This movie had so much potential. But still I have to give MNS credit for making original content. And unlike all the soulless remakes/reboots, at least it was interesting.
Saw this yesterday and I loved this.
The premise is just stupid. It’s a ridiculous way to catch a dangerous serial killer. And yeah audiences foolish enough to buy into the premise they kind of deserved to be force fed this singer’s music
Not great, but not terrible. Josh Hartnett and Allison Pill both had good performances. Both underrated. I felt anxious the whole movie which is the point of a thriller. Did not like that he was going to get away with it but it was creative to see how he got out of situations.
I think the concert is more inspired by Gaga. Watching the trailer I’ve never thought of Taylor swift
I personally prefered this to Knock at the Cabin but agree with all your criticism of the film. I was saying that if Josh Hartnett wasn't in it, I'd probably have left during the intermission, I was so bored during the first hour or so. But his performance was really great, I agree especially in the third act.
This is probably answered in the movie but what evidence does the FBI have to suggest that a serial killer would be at a concert like this?
It’s complicated, haha
@@DanMurrellMovies Of course it is lol. While I'm leaving this response, I'll take the time to say that I've been a fan of yours since I first saw you on the Schmoedown. I started watching Screen Junkies from there and then followed you here when you started the channel. I've actually never left a comment before so my apologies for not helping with the algorithm.
This was supposed to be a comeback vehicle for Josh Hartnett? His IMDB page says he's been working almost nonstop since the late 90s, so I'm not sure what he's coming back from. Didn't seem like he ever left.
I'm not sure what I recognize him from. I just know him as the C-list actor who looks like Ashton Kutcher.
I was totally hyped and ready to see this, but after this trusted review, I'm not gonna bother.
Thanks, Dan, you've just saved me from wasting my money
"i think a part of my heart just broke"
Shyamalan, a favorite writer, director, often gets lost in his films, aiming for a specific feel that doesn’t resonate with most. The poor acting in “Old” took me out of the movie, leaving me unsure if it was bad acting or Shyamalan’s intention. I haven’t seen Trapped yet, but it seems to have the same problem as every one of Shyamalan’s films since, “Split.”
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