Cutting OFF the VIOLIN Scroll - a CRUEL sound EXPERIMENT
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
- Too often people ask me what we actually need the scroll for. Indeed, we do not need it, but it is an integral part of the entire instrument. How does it sound without it and how big is the impact of the scroll? I demonstrate this in this exciting video. I cut away the scroll of a fully playable violin and we sound check it before and after the scroll removal.
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Holy Moly it sounds much better, deeper, less shrill. Edgar you've done it... now what? Scroll less violins?
Edgar’s continual enthusiasm never fails to brighten my day!
Would love to see a video where you add weight to the scroll somehow and then glue it back on, and then compare again.
qi gong violin!!! it's chinese already right?
Sounded a little shrill and thin before, and muted afterwards - Listening on Studio Monitoring Headphones. It would be interesting to hear what the Violin sounds like with different weights where the Scroll used to be. Blind Tests tend to be more revealing, as our eyes an preconceived notions can easily bias our conclusions. I play Guitar (Classical, Electric, Acoustic), and find Blind Tests the most insightful way to evaluate what is actually being heard. Thanks
You could also compare spectrograms
@@__lasevix_ Definitely. I also like Null Tests, when possible. But a frequent sweep would need to be induced into the Violin, like what was done in the movie "The Red Violin."
i kind of liked it better with the scroll off... i think
You should hear what happens when you substitute bridges made of various materials such as brass, glass, copper, ceramic, etc. Also hardwood, plastic, bone . . .
The Violin Madness Has Consumed YOU... FInally... LOL.... Another Great Video...
Go over the top and insert a chuck lead into the scroll. I'm a swordsmith and sword pommels act not only as counter weights but also adustors to the vibrational characteristics of a blade use.
My like helped reach the 500 mark. Looking forward to further experiments, lieber Edgar!
I once read that makers of stringed instruments would add weight to either the head or bridge of an instrument to increase the bass frequencies.
This video seems to corroborate that.
I've seen some cigar box fiddles that I swear you couldn't tell the difference from a standard strad copy. I'd be surprised if cutting the scroll off made a noticeable difference!
I prefer the sound with the scroll attached. It was a deeper, sweeter sound.
(1) I like your workshop and how you have your tools organized.
(2) Cutting off the scroll (while a valid experiment) is so crazy!
I was already subscribed, just don't cut off any more scrolls! EEK!
“Precious Chinese violin wood” 🤣😂🤣
Now I'm looking forward to a video comparing not only a heavier scroll, but also a larger scroll. Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate the nuance of violin sound!
with all those tools, there is no luthier's guillotine?
I don’t think Edgar has enough to do.😂
I wonder if metal clip-on scrolls on modern carbon-fiber cellos will create significantly altered sound, just like how denser endpins create enormous changes in the timbre and volume.
That's an interesting question. It's always fun to wonder about which random parts of the instrument you can change for a slightly better sound.
I couldn't hear any difference.
It all depends on what you are looking for in the sound. I have several violins (fiddles) and they all sound different, all good, just different.
I've seen a violin where the scroll was replaced by a round weight. I imagine if a peg just held weights in place the sound could be varied. The question would be if the scroll should be the same weight on all, differ by model, or if it should vary for each due to subtle changes in wood and build?
Im already subscribed... But I can give you one like.
Do we have anymore courses coming in the Academy?
Thanks. 👍
Tbat would be the next thing to try. Instead of cutting the scroll off, make a violin without the scroll on it. Would the better quality of wood make a difference? What about the design without the scroll? Would that make a difference? Removing the scroll is one thing. Building an instrument without is another. That would be interesting to compare: A scrolled violin made the same as the non-scrolled violin. Great video, by the way.
Another Friday, another Edgar video 😅…
Edgar you are a Butcher, and I love it! Amazing test. Also, what is this beautiful watch you are wearing now?
I cant believe this actually makes a difference, but i heard it... it never fails to amaze me how little it takes to affect the sound of a violin!
hahaha, maybe she just plays better, come on!!!!
@@mkdijkstra4855 in this extremely scientific study, it's obviously that it's not related to her playing (:
It was hard to watch the cutting of the scroll, I love the violins not matter what, some with better tone than others but must of the hand made violins are like a piece of art...
I give you your 500 likes...see you next Friday...great video...Thank you!!!
what was the piece or wtv she played before the roll was cut?
We want to see more Video of this 😎
nice
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تجربة فريدة من نوعها ومميزة .
لكن لم اجد فرق بالصوت
It happens the same with realy expensive wines. Part of the difference is on the narrative and the imagination. As blind test usually prove.
Carve the scroll into a character/animal like a stainer and put it back on! see if that affects the tone! :D
(ps, i accidently showed this video to my mom... she hated it... :D)
Actually I've always wanted a violin with a horse head for the sfroll
@@nancymilawski1048 it kinda makes sense... horse hair... horse head... might as well go for a unicorn, right?
@@MAITLANDVAUGHAN-TURNER I would worry about the unicorn horn breaking off in an ugly way
@@nancymilawski1048 oh you are right... that would be gnarly.. i really like the idea, in general tho. I'm surprised it hasn't really been a thing in 400 years... especially the way people like to customize things these days.. seems like a low-impact (tone-wise) way to add some character to a violin (especially if it is an inexpensive one)
Now drill holes to the back of your master violin
how much influence do you think change the neck will have on the sound?
I think a lot, since without a neck you can't really play it.
i meant a new different neck, maybe of different thickness, width, etc@@__lasevix_
@@__lasevix_ i meant a neck of different thickness, width, and how will that affect the sound
For Science! 🎉
Titanium! You need a titanium scroll, or at least a titanium screw to re-attach the wood. Haha.
Seriously, I didn't think it was so bad.
It's sacriledge, I know, but every fiddle I've made is scroll free! My strategy is unusual: make a weird fiddle and sell it in a case such that it will spend decades and centuries largely unplayed and therefore remain undamaged ; )
« If we have 500 likes on this video, we'll make more things like this. » Eh... ¿Would I really like to see Edgar _destroying a violin with a saw_ again 🥶?
I didn’t hear a difference until I played it a second time.
Why not use a scroll saw? 🤣😂
By the way Edgar, is Agnese single?... ☺
That looks like violin assassination. However, IMO, the sound change does not arrive here behind the microphone and my headphones.
(By the way, me too I became Japanese saw fan during a trip to Japan in 1979)
How would cutting off the decorative scroll effect the sound ?
It wouldn't of course, so why bother !
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I was the number 500 😂🎉
Just tell people it's a viola... (Haha.)
It sounds like a viola.
Lesson learned? Make the scroll bigger.
All the people that can hear a difference, get out of here LOL. A bat couldn't hear it.
Ya ya I can tell the different between with scroll and without scroll and i can find the sound not interesting anymore not round and thin. Its loose the quality of the sound. I just know the function of scroll since I was knew the scroll as decorative only😅
That's just a decoration, well beyond the point that holds the strings, so its meaningless. What is wrong with the violin world? Its so full of BS.. Its incredible..
Couldn't hear any difference.
There is no difference.
Ahem, Edgar … I believe your perspective on things is a bit biased. You wish to hear less “sound” or “ambience” but truth is, there’s literally no difference (none that human ears could perceive) and there is absolutely no logical reason as to why there should be an audible difference.
Yes, a player used to playing a single violin would perhaps be able to feel a slight weight imbalance which could (though, unlikely) cause the musician to play differently. And yes, that musician may agree that they perceived a difference. This, however, does not pertain to your experiments since the exact opposite would also be true.
So, sorry, no … the scroll can go … if you want it to.
I don’t want you to make more videos like this so I won’t subscribe.
Edgar’s continual enthusiasm never fails to brighten my day!
Edgar’s continual enthusiasm never fails to brighten my day!