Filthy's Civ6: Which Great Scientists are Good?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Let's Learn Civilization VI! Filthy reviews the great scientists available in civilization 6.
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>Abu al Qasim al Zahrawi
"I'll call him Abdu"
this frustrates me more than it should
I can't believe Filthy forgot his own most basic advice here. The earlier you can use a bonus, and the longer and more broadly it can be applied, the better it is. Consequently, Albert Einstein (who comes late in the game, whose bonus requires a campus+library+university, and who can't affect that many techs because there won't be many left) is much worse than Hypatia, who comes early and whose bonus has a much bigger impact since science is so cheap at that stage. Hypatia will even build a library for you, unlike Einstein. Heck, by the time Einstein comes along, the game is often mostly decided anyway, so at best he'd be the icing on the cake most of the time. I can't see how he'd have much significant impact to most games.
That said, scientists who can deliver massive amounts of science in one go (such as Janaki and Galileo) are potentially huge boosts to your civilization if you use them right, and can potentially deliver more science output than Hypatia or Einstein. Generally speaking, I'd say the best scientists in order are Hypatia, Galileo, Janaki, Einstein and finally Mary Leakey (who might deserve to be higher on this list, but she's too situational for my liking).
Forgot about Isaac Newton on my list (Newton's 4th Law - Don't forget about Isaac Newton). Because he comes earlier and builds both a library and university (even if you don't have the tech for it), I'd place him just before Einstein.
Not sure I agree. Hypatia is still better than Filthy is giving him credit for, but those late game techs can be the difference between winning and losing. That said, I think Newton is definitely far better than Einstein.
The best scientists though are the ones that just give you flat science, especially Galileo and the rainforest one, because it's very easy to find a spot adjacent to three or four mountains, sometimes five, and you can very consistently find a spot of four to six rain forest tiles, meaning you could get 1000 or so science off of Galileo and 2000 or so science off of rain forest scientist.
Darwin (the natural wonder one) is just inconsistent. If you happen to have the Pantanal in or right next to your territory, then he's amazing, because that's 4 natural wonder tiles if you use him while he's standing in the middle of it. On the other hand, if you have a hard time getting to a natural wonder, or you just have one of the one tile natural wonders around, he's obviously not as good.
Galileo's mountain bonus seems like the most consistent one, you can almost always find formations with 3-5 mountains. The rain forest seems fairly consistent, but not totally, sometimes you don't really have rain forest, especially since you might clear it as you get farther on in the game (rain forest tiles are great at the very start, but not so much later on unless you get Chichen Itza).
You say "around" as if these scientists cant take great treks across continents without any issues. Worse case, they war you to send your scientist back home, and you send them in some other direction. At least in the games I play, people dont declare war for no reason.
"I can't believe Filthy forgot his own most basic advice here."
Filthy certainly doesn't own that, since it's rule #1 in all 4X games.
Abu Zahrawi was a physician, so his healing effects aren't so bizarre. If Alexander Fleming was a GS in this game, I'm sure he'd have similar effects
Also, I have found him quite useful, although not for pushing science per se. When I'm running a science game, it's not too strange for me to find myself the target of a big war, and having extra healing helps my sparse military go much farther in those situations.
There's also no real time limit on that, so he's a really good scientist to get if you happen to be going for a Domination victory.
Important thing to keep in mind, +100% production seems to affect Carl Sagan too. If you can get both +100% and Sagan, I'm pretty sure you could nearly 1 turn a space race victory. You need a total of 13000 production, he can give you 12000.
Unrelated to the video, you know you have succeeded as a youtuber when someone (ie me) puts off sleeping because he would be dying to see the video in the morning. Keep up the good work filthy!
I like your very detailed explanations on civ bonuses and great people in Civ 6. your tips on early rush with Saka Horse Archers for Synthia helped me win several times.
maybe you could make a video on a science strategy too?
To be fair about the movement, the Scientists aren't wearing armor or carrying weapons
I wonder if the 300% tourism bonus would apply to Kongo's food and production bonus. It would be glorious.
Hi, Mr. Robot--I'm new to civ, but your videos have made learning it much easier than I thought. However, I'm still pretty confused about Culture in general; I get that it's the "defense" to the tourism "offense," and it helps to progress the civics tree, but I'm really not sure how I should be actually getting culture/how much of it to get, since theater squares are kind of garbage. I also don't really understand the concept of a culture victory, since, again, theater squares are trash and you could have all the culture in the world but not win without tourism. Is there a video where you touch on this?
Really think writers/artists/musicians should be able to trigger inspirations in civics tree or give a chunk of culture depending on buildings, maybe it'll be a patch. Also, rather than random, it should let the player pick eurekas...worthless crapshoot as is, and about as good on stepping on a late game tribal village
Take about the cards - 100% for defensive buildings. What are they? Can only be walls? Also adjacency bonus - you get them for Campus, Holly Site, and all of them.
How can city states have so many military units?
Filthy, I would like to know some more arguments based on facts instead of your feelings. Example:
+1 point per library for 30 GPP
+4 point per university for 330 GPP
which is better?
(GGP given for online speed)
Very clearly the first is better. It has more going for it: it is more convenient to get (it is not a big chuck) ,it will arrive earlier and provides the bonus to buildings that arrive earlier.
Another thing i would like more information about is the absolute power of the great people, rather than their relative strength. Eg:
is +1 GPP as good as +1 science?
Victor Savenije another thing; that +1 counts for the entire game from early on. This is way much more science than +4 in the atomic era onwards.
That passive healing boost is awesome if you happen to play saladin and have mamluks
I have a question which is entirely unrelated to gameplay: How much have you learned, or do you care, about the history of these civilizations, or the great people?
Good one! I really like what Filthy knows about the game, but I suspect his knowledge about history and civilizations does not go too far. Still, I am watching each of his tipps and tricks videos to learn from the best.
Hypatia is stronger than you give credit. She frequently the first or second great scientist in the game coming at point where +1 could be a 10% increase in total science.
didn't mention how aoe heal increase scientist is nice if you're going for domination victory 5/7
Does Alfred Nobel give you 20 Great Person points EVERY time you start working for another Great Person. If this is the case, a jump start is not a bad deal, is it?
Arrives a bit too late though sadly. At that point it'll shave maybe 1 turm or less off the great person, since you're making 20+ GPP per turn.
the problem with this vid is that you expect great scientists to be better than they are so you call like 90% of them mediocre
I think you've got it backwards. The problem with this game is that the great scientists you expect to be really impactful are 90% mediocre.
If Filthy's response when he reads the Great Scientist's effect is 'meh,' then that's the fault of the game for offering a weak bonus, rather than Filthy for expecting more. The bonuses should absolutely be exciting, unique and create opportunities for new strategies. As it is, they're relatively generic and insignificant. Maybe you grab a really good one. More likely you get a bunch of random eurekas.
I really look forward to seeing what modders do to -fix- improve the GP so that getting one is always an awesome feeling, instead of a 'sure, why not' feeling.
In other Civilization games, great scientists were often game-winning units. Basically all of them would pop for a big instantaneous science boost toward what you are researching. The ones in this game are substantially weaker most of the time.
could you do one about your thoughts on luxuries like you did with civ 5. im curious to know witch ones you like having and witch ones you dont.
Wow didn't know Hildegard, Russia in toundra is gonna love her ! Too bad in my russia game, Deity AI reached Atomic era while i was in renaissance lol. All the great people were skipped cause of that era rush :'(
do you know if bonuses like the tourism one on mary leakey apply to future stuff (ex. the tourism bonus on artifacts)
So, Galileo it says 250 science on standard speed, any idea what it is on online speed?
nobel would be great if you would get great people points per turn for every great peson lets say +4 GPP
Einsten best sciencetist both in the game and in real life.
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IT is "sad" when you come to the end, also no need to build Campus. At what point do you stop investing in science, and should you try to lead, or better to be slightly behind, but have a strong military.
!!! If you get EUREKA for doing things - build three mines, would it be best to NOT go for science to fast? Same goes for culture. It is not possible to do all the tasks, but even doing most is very hard.
Reason I try to lack in both until 1/3 up each tree - NEVER build Monuments.
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