The symbolism here is just wonderful. Tyrell fancied himself a god who lives on top of a high building. His personal suite and his garments all reflect a certain divine quality. Roy travels to this 'heaven' to confront his maker and demand more life. But his maker turns out to be not a god and unable to grant him more life....and Roy slays him, and then descends from heaven back to the dirt-filled earth.
How about Roy offering confession? “I’ve done questionable things”. Roy expects discipling. Tyrell proves himself neither God nor father, as either would have reprimanded a child. Roy changes there. His response is sarcastic, making fun of himself for thinking Tyrell a God. He proceeds to crush his head
@@deshipe "Nothing the god of bio mechanics wouldn't let you into heave for?" Roy kinda threw in the towel at that point knowing he would get no where with Tyrell.
Okay, but what kinda rich CEO guy living in a high rise has ZERO security measures in place to stop a maniac from breaking in and crushing his skull, lol
Little or almost nothing is said about J.F. Sebastian's character in this film. For me the most moving and human character of all. A man who, in order to combat his loneliness, manufactures toys to keep him company. The actor who played the character, William Sanderson, did a splendid job.
@@joshwizinsky1979 J. F. was basically played as a loner who created friends, worked for Tyrell, had the run of a ginormous building & had Methuselah's Syndrome. I guess time didn't allow for more development.
Look at Rachel's memory of the spider again. Tyrell wanted his creation to devour him. It could be that the Ubermensch only slew God because God programmed him to.
@@djdoc06 Every single actors and actresses shine so brightly in Blade Runner, Rutger Hauer just is the most captivating one among them ... I would say Harrison Ford's Deckard is actually quite charming too in many scenes, and he plays Deckard in a perfectly ambiguous way to keep us guessing if he's a human or a replicant , he's the biggest twist in the movie .. Sean Young, Joe Turkel, Edward James Olmos, Daryl Hannah and the guy who plays Sebastian, they all gave unique charisma to their roles ... So its not true that Rutger Hauer is the only great thing ...
the saddest thing about this scene for me is that Roy is only four years old and was bred as a soldier, but he can play chess at a grandmaster level, and discuss genetic engineering with an expert - even proposing ideas that Tyrell had considered. he really was something very incredible but he died after four years having barely lived.
In an ideal world - the keyword being " *ideal* ", Roy could've become almost anything. Whether that would be contingent on keeping his Replicant nature a deep, dark secret, I honestly don't know !
Powerful and underrated scene. Roy's desperation and hope-against-hope suggesting solution after solution, and his despair on finding what he already knew. And Tyrell's pride and genuine affection for his work, I love the way he shifts from frightened to fatherly in this scene.
I wouldn't really call Tyrell "fatherly" in this scene as much as patronizing. I would expect someone who's being "fatherly" to be someone who's expressing compassion and empathy for his creation (for an example of what I mean, watch Bob Balaban as Dr. Chandra in "2010: The Year We Make Contact" in his interactions with his own machine version of an enfant terrible -- HAL9000). I don't sense much empathy or warmth from Tyrell at all, which might be at least part of the reason why Roy kills him and in such a horribly brutal and violent manner.
I was caught off guard when the replicant started naming off possible ways to prevent his termination. Reminded me of the ARC Troopers in Star Wars that were looking for ways to cure their accelerated aging.
He was giving his maker a chance because he wanted his maker to connect with him on another level... on a level much higher in which he could redeem himself or seek some sort of peace. You may notice that he admitted to various things. It seemed to be after he had been praised that he it retracted him back into what he was programmed to do. To kill. (when he is praised he experiences disappointment.)
@@switzerlandful Not only disappointment. Roy, in very humanlike manner, recognized the dismissal in Tyrell's words. The complete and absolute refusal to help him, sugarcoated in poetic praise. To have come this far, in the most absolute state of mortal desperation a human life could find itself in, and meeting the god of biomechanics--not only his father and creator but also the singular most capable being in the universe that could possibly help him--only to be refused in such a disgustingly sugarcoated manner (as one in Roy's state would take it as) would probably drive such a man to commit one last final act both questionable and extraordinary. Then the mortal man, in his most profound and liberating realization of inevitable doom, and in resentful wrath such as only a human can feel, kills God.
@@Maverick2736 spot on. Tyrell shows no genuine concern or empathy of Roy's life and emerging as a thinking being, a human, albeit with a tragically short lifespan. And the fact that he wants absolution or at least recognition of the fact that he's lived a brutal life with morally questionable choices, but receives something sugarcoated (and arrogant) response. I fully get the existential anger he feels. It tells us quite a bit that Tyrell doesn't even consider this.
Jesus, that look that Hauer gives in the elevator, falling from grace from the heavens. I don't think any other actor could've conceived or pulled that off the way he did.
i was a little kid at the time and not allowed to see his movies. but i saw a few clips here and there. rutger hauer was the only actor that fascinated me. still does.
I always thought that was cold sweat. Tyrell is clearly nervous that one of his children has arrived asking for what he knows is impossible, or alternately if you follow the original script he's worried about his cover as a fellow replicant being blown. As for Roy, he's likely just come from outside where it's constantly raining and probably didn't have time on the ride up to dry off. He could also be apprehensive about the moment of truth, then his apprehension grows worse as Tyrell outlines why it can't be done.
@@CaveManOogaBooga idk if you are joking but I see my wording might be confusing, I meant that he is not a replicant in the movie or the book, but all the symbolism n such might suggest otherwise at this point
" I have done questionable things..." I like how he confesses his sins to his god/maker before going down to purgatory to finally redeem himself by saving a life.
Ridley Scott was way ahead of his time when he made this. Now it will live on as one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made. I think I’ve watched the scene 100 times.
I absolutely adore the poetic nature of this conversation between the father and the rebellious prodigal son that is Tyrell and Roy Batty ... Tyrell speaks like a true genius would with such tempting eloquence and yet found himself fearing that his own brilliance cannot escape the horror that his own l'enfant terrible is about to unleash upon himself. As for Roy, the "prodigal son", he responds to Tyrell's coaxing words with such terrifying simplicity, every thing that came out of his mouth has a gut punch effect of anger and fury .. I simply adore this part of the movie, and the background music just heightens the epic tension unfolding in biblical proportion .. thats whats cinematic effect is all about , wow, just wow ..
The symbolism there is astonishing. The Man gets in the room with his maker, God. "I want more life, Father." The Man has his request denied, God tells him to revel in the time he has, and how his short life is beautiful. Then, once again, the Man betrays God with a kiss and kills God all over again. Then the man not long after killing God, dies himself. And the Man facing his end, realized that he did revel in his short time, and that finality is inevitable, all things are to be lost in time.
Too bad Tyrell wasn't any smarter though. If he was then he would have conducted the EMS recombination operation like Roy suggested, knowing that the virus would kill Roy before he could even leave the table. lol
@@dlowery51 Not nescessarily: He can be that smart but he is a human, especially a smart and powerfull one. So even if I would be in that scenario, pride and arrogance would keep me from diverting from telling the thruth. Especially since it would let him look incompetent and cowardly that if they think it works, that the not used it before on other replicants. Like „I am so proud, I won‘t let you make me lie, even in the face of death“
Donnie Darko has taken the footsteps towards cult status like Blade Runner used to do ... the first time I watched Donnie Darko, the words that immediately came to my mind was "Blade Runner". I really had a very strong suspicion that this movie will go the way of Blade Runner in terms of accumulating adoration from non-mainstream admirers... its so strange for me because I was among the early admirers for both movies before they achieved cult status (of course BR has gone from cult status to the absolutely incredible transformation into being recognised as one of the greatest movies ever made), to see both movies get the love that they did not receive during the initial theater run is really gratifying for me .. like some sort of vindication ..
88feji Both Blade Runner and Donnie Darko are in my top 5 all time. Ive come to realize that the atmosphere of a film is just as important as the story. I love David Lynch films as well. If you havent seen Mulholland Drive, you've got to.
Chumbersdee Oh my dear, I absolutely hold the same view when it comes to any artistic endeavors .. its all about the mood baby ! The mood heightens the viewer's emotional resonance .. Blade Runner and Donnie Darko are just movies swimming in oceans of moodism.
Mary Shelley's 'little novel" created in 1816 wrought so many interesting other stories but I think this story is one of the most phenomenally fascinating one. All the layers, connotations, intricate and endless discussions about existence and creation...it goes on and on and has so since the first film in 1982. It's one of those films that change meaning each time you see it and think about it. What is going on is not immediately apparent first viewing, but the subsequent viewings is when this film works on your subconscious. What is life, what is the power of creation and what are we as a whole species capable of creating/nurturing or destroying in this existence. Questions are always more powerful than answers.
Frankenstein was written in the disastrous summer of 1816 (a vulcan in Indonesia called Tambora exploded). So Blade Runner is a wonderful companion for Mary Shelley's 'little novel" in lots of ways... ;)
Funny enough I had to write about both Frankenstein and Blade Runner as comparative texts in high school. Considering Mary Shelley's novel was known as "the Modern Promethius", this movie feels like it deserves the same accolade more than 2 centuries later
In this sequence, Roy and Eldon are each other's opposite. Roy wants more life from his creator. Eldon gives less life to his creatures. Tyrell is wearing a white dressing gown. Batty is wearing a long black jacket. Eldon has vision problems and is wearing glasses. Roy has perfect eyesight. Tyrell has black hair. Batty has white hair. Roy is a killer, but he has no blame for who he is. Eldon is a victim, but he's not blameless.
Tyrell failed as a God, a father, and a scientist. Roy asked to be forgiven for his sins, but Tyrell is so removed from what is right and wrong he just dismisses Roy's guilt as meaningless. Tyrells answers are too cold and logical to comfort Roy in his desperation, on top of that he didn't even try. Finally, He and his scientists aren't smart enough to give Roy the life he requires. On every level Roy tried to connect with him, Tyrell failed him. I imagine Tyrell would probably fail a Vought-Kampff test too if he ever took one.
When I saw this back in '82 I distinctly remember Roy calling Tyrell "Fucker" and seeing all of the blood splurting out of Tyrell's eyes as Roy crushed him to death. When the director's cut came out they took out the blood splurting but left in the "Fucker" quote. Weird how after all these years that it was supposedly "Father" but that's not how I remember it.
Right ON --- "...I think "fucker" better conveys the fact that Roy is desperate and isn't taking any shit from Tyrell...."It was FUCKER all along. And THAT is more poetic. "Father" was a weak-ass edit/alteration with ZERO emotional impact on me. ZERO INTENSITY. Didn't even know it existed until tonight. Treasured/watched the movie for 34 years now that made me Ridley Scott's biggest fan (except for "the director's cut" - CRAP w/out Ford's voice-over narration - which was EXCELLENT and CLASSIC). These "director's cut" editions are FOR S*#T - completely takes the SPIRIT and REALITY out that the MAGIC EDITORS originally implemented into the theater versions --- Coppola's "Apocalypse Now, Redux" being the most heinous example --- COMPLETELY trashed and CONTRADICTED the REAL PERSONALITY of a stone killer like Willard that was portrayed in the original theatrical version. Just speaking from the TRUTH of EXPERIENCE here if anyone wants to dispute this (rear-area pogues - shut up and get your nightly shower and six pack of beer you stole from the grunts who just came in from a month in the bush. Asswipes.) Francis putting the stupid unreal scenes of Willard doing "buddy buddy, I'm friendly and will joke around with you guys" with the navy dudes from the boat?! RETARDED. THANK GOD FOR GENIUS EDITORS. They really Create the ultimate versions of movies that the directors (Quentin Tarantino - True Romance?! Idiot preferred a depressing DOWNER ending over the EDITOR'S choice that truly was the superior ending to that classic movie. WHO wants to leave a movie that ended in depression and despair? DOWNER. And then the REALITY of Roy Batty and Captain Willard - don't screw with the editors "mister superman directors" - they KNOW what they're doing! You do your job and then turn it over to the editors to Create the BEST final cut. End of rant. Feels pretty good too.
You are correct, I saw it when it first came out in the theater and dozens of times since then, this here is the PG version, "I want more life fucker" has a very visceral feel to it than "father"
One of the defining scenes in a criminally underrated movie. Blade Runner, in whatever version, is one of the great movies in history. Ridley Scott has real vision.
Blade Runner? Criminally underrated?! I'm not sure how a film could have wider praise and love than Blade Runner, it is routinely considered and voted one of the best movies of all time.
@@mahendrakarunaratne4788 box office receipts have never represented whether a film is underrated. Regardless it made more in box office receipts than the budget, millions more, hardly no money. It was released to critical acclaim, was profitable and has enjoyed cult critical adoration in the decades following. I'm not seeing any sign of underrated let alone criminally so.
Best Science Fiction Movie of all time.. Films that make you think about the big questions about life, purpose and our origins are rare these days in Hollywood.
I know no one likes it but I think changing the line to "father" makes so much more sense. If you start out a request to someone by calling him/her a "fucker" I don't think you're going to get the desired response.
I’m fairly certain Tyrell knew he was a dead man as soon as he saw Roy but the mad scientist in him couldn’t keep from praising his creation. He kept his composure as well as Tywin did on that toilet seat.
I love how so many people are accusing this scene of being censored. In fact, the original line was supposed to be "Father", and that version was even used when the movie was being shown to test audiences, but the studio wanted it changed to "F*cker". So really, claiming that "F*cker" is the original is sort of like claiming that the terrible narration was always supposed to be in the movie.
I think "fucker" better conveys the fact that Roy is desperate and isn't taking any shit from Tyrell. But both work in a different kind of way "Father" is a more poetic way of addressing Tyrell. The only thing that I don't like very much is Roy calling JF Sebastian after killing Tyrell.
Right ON --- "...I think "fucker" better conveys the fact that Roy is desperate and isn't taking any shit from Tyrell...." It was FUCKER all along. And THAT is more poetic. "Father" was a weak-ass edit/alteration with ZERO emotional impact on me. ZERO INTENSITY. Didn't even know it existed until tonight. Treasured/watched the movie for 34 years now that made me Ridley Scott's biggest fan (except for "the director's cut" - CRAP w/out Ford's voice-over narration - which was EXCELLENT and CLASSIC). These "director's cut" editions are FOR S*#T - completely takes the SPIRIT and REALITY out that the MAGIC EDITORS originally implemented into the theater versions --- Coppola's "Apocalypse Now, Redux" being the most heinous example --- COMPLETELY trashed and CONTRADICTED the REAL PERSONALITY of a stone killer like Willard that was portrayed in the original theatrical version. Just speaking from the TRUTH of EXPERIENCE here if anyone wants to dispute this (rear-area pogues - shut up and get your nightly shower and six pack of beer you stole from the grunts who just came in from a month in the bush. Asswipes.) Francis putting the stupid unreal scenes of Willard doing "buddy buddy, I'm friendly and will joke around with you guys" with the navy dudes from the boat?! RETARDED. THANK GOD FOR GENIUS EDITORS. They really Create the ultimate versions of movies that the directors (Quentin Tarantino - True Romance?! Idiot preferred a depressing DOWNER ending over the EDITOR'S choice that truly was the superior ending to that classic movie. WHO wants to leave a movie that ended in depression and despair? DOWNER. And then the REALITY of Roy Batty and Captain Willard - don't screw with the editors "mister superman directors" - they KNOW what they're doing! You do your job and then turn it over to the editors to Create the BEST final cut. End of rant. Feels pretty good too.
Just saying that Father is the original line, it's proven. Just go watch the original workprint before they butchered it, and Ridley Scott's final cut, notice how both say father. This was always Scott's intention.
I think JF sebastion got the axe because he basically was the reason for Hauer's problem- it was his genetic defect that is implied to be what gives them such short lifespans, at least from my understanding. I could be wrong. And it was an act of rage as well.
@@johnmurdoch8534 I think Roy probably always planned to kill Sebastian, especially considering the genetic engineers don't seem to treat the Replicants as human beings, instead being fascinated by their "creations" (like Chew trying to impress Roy by mentioning he designed Roy's eyes.) From a Replicant's point of view, guys like Sebastian aren't much different from slave breeders.
Him gouging out his eyes was one of my earliest memories as a child. I remember looking up at the tv and seeing thumbs entering eye sockets and lots of blood. And for all my life I always wondered what movie that was from and was sure Id never see it again. Until one day I was watching Bladerunner and it all hit me at once. I couldn’t believe that I found it. This one looming memory of a man getting his eyes gouged out had finally connected back to its source and I’ve been a huge Bladerunner fan ever since.
For some reason it is the finger breaking, I watched that scene at like ~5 in 1990 and made me terrified of joints going the wrong way. Eye gouging is obviously more gruesome, but fingers snapping backwards hurt my soul.
I had a friend in HS that was a bit off and we found out later he was bipolar/schizophrenic and he would have the EXACT same look of confusion/understanding/relief, etc.....crazy how life imitates art life (vice versa)
Sebastian was an innocent though, desperately lonely and so desperate for a friend - Pris - that even though he fears Roy he tries his best to help him and therefore help Pris. Then again, if he’d refused to help he’d have been killed on the spot.
The Hex lens glasses, falling down to the floor. Punctuates, the violence of this scene, and an artificial army soldier. Searching for answers. Masterpiece of filming.
I hate that they keep on changing these movies .... I liked the narration that was on the theatrical release. It's just incredibly pretentious for these directors to feel that they need to "improve" their movies. Usually they can't.
Well actually it was the reverse. There was no narration in the very first version. Then the studios wanted to "improve" the movie and added a voice over.
Yeah 'Father' seems at odds with Roy's character and story - the genius of Bladerunner is that there is no clear good vs evil faction - the replicants are shown to murder for selfishness as much as humans can and they are not reluctant to use their superior strength or guiles to manipulate those humans around them to achieve their ends. Roy is a character that has been killing and bullying his way through the story - look at the way he is grabbing onto Sebastian and commands him to 'stay'. The music featuring Roy throughout the film also takes on a sinister tone. This actually leaves the ending more impacting as Roy finally transcends his programming/biology and gains a 'soul'.
Hauer was an absolute God of an actor, every role he played, just pure godliness, he could have been given so many more roles, he was a terrifyingly good actor, he should have been in Horror movies more, when he did Hitcher and Nemesis, I really got into his acting
27/6/2022/ ! Now Dr. Tyrrel will be able to verify that Nexus 6 had a soul ¡, Vangelis and Rutger Hauer are waiting for him beyond Orion's belt at Tanhauser's door, ! Rest in peace ¡.
God, I love this movie. I can’t watch it enough times. So far ahead of its time in 1982. It was like nothing I had ever seen. A genius of filmmaking, period. 🎥😎
Admittedly, this is just a pondering after watching this scene for like the billionth time... Tyrell explains to Deckard that Rachael is "an experiment", and in the original cut (yes, I'm referring to the voice-over and upbeat ending that we'd all like to forget about), it's explained that she also doesn't have the four-year lifespan. It's also revealed that Deckard himself is a Replicant; if memory serves, he's supposed to be an experimental model, as well, with Holden's memories implanted in him. Now, round that all up and come back to this scene. After Roy kills Tyrell and Sebastian (who I always felt sorry for), who knows how long he stayed in the suite? It's implied that he left immediately after, but what if... What if he didn't completely believe Tyrell about there being no way to remove the lifespan limitation? Wouldn't it make sense that he would have stayed there long enough to do a quick search of Tyrell's suite for notes and/or transcripts of trial runs in bypassing the lifespan? I mean, there was no one in there besides the three of them, and it didn't look like Roy was in a real hurry to get away. And, while searching through the notes, he finds the info on Rachel, and probably Deckard, as well. Now fast forward to that final scene between Roy and Deckard, with Roy breaking his fingers and stalking him through the building. It's obvious he's toying with Deckard, drawing out the hunt and building his fear, right up to Deckard jumping (and so-nearly failing at it) across to the next building, then leaving him to dangle and almost fall before pulling him up to safety, and delivering that beautifuil monologue. Is it just possible that Roy, knowing Deckard is a Replicant like himself, and knowing that he himself is dying, takes it on himself to do something that Tyrell obviously couldn't- to show Deckard that life is the most precious of things. Tyrell couldn't have cared less, honestly; he sees the Replicants as nothing more than a product to be sold. He doesn't see them as living, sentient beings. "Commerce is our goal here at Tyrell. 'More human than human' is our motto." "You were made as well as we could make you." "Rachael is an experiment. Nothing more." He's cold and unsympathetic, and an utter failure as a father/God figure. Could it be possible that Roy, in being so utterly disappointed in Tryell as both father and God, takes it upon himself to surpass his maker? By forcing Deckard to fight for his life, by taking him to the point where Deckard is facing his final seconds before dying (just as Roy himself is), and then making that point about living in fear (as any Replicant who comes back to Earth does, or anyone does who allows him or herself to just accept life without appreciating what it means to live), he is, in fact, replacing God, and making Him a more sympathetic deity. By using his own death purposefully, he's guiding another person into life, "creating" him, if you will. Roy has now become God the Creator, and so has brought balance to his own darker actions earlier in the story, redeeming himself in the process. Or maybe I'm just reading way too much into it, and need to go to sleep ;-)
+necrosunderground Interesting indeed but my slightly different take on it was that Roy, his life close to over, want Deckard to fully appreciate what he has, a future. I dont think he ever saw himself as a god. For the record this remains my favourite film of all time.
+necrosunderground He doesn't become like God at all. Roy even quotes the Bible in the movie. He redeems himself, sure, and also gives Deckard the life he wanted to live, but couldn't; but the whole scene with Tyrell showed how Roy understood no living creature can play God. God is flawless, thus all He made was flawless. As man fell and became flawed, so did every thing man created. What is perfect for Tyrell is a flawed perfection, and Roy, destroyed about learning his creator hadn't thought about his livelihood and that he was flawed killed him, partly to signify the death of "playing God." so Roy is not God. He is, however, (I'd like to argue) the Hero.
You can see similar themes in Ridley Scott's movies. The creation meeting the creator. The theme of life, death, immortality. Remember that discussion between Peter Weyland and the last Engineer? 'This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life'. Here, the creation kills its creator, out of frustration. In Prometheus, the creator kills its creations, for the same reason (more or less). God/aliens being frustrated with mankind. The same story with David, a frustrated creation that wants to be an independent god, a creator, not a creation.
That's exactly why I watched Blade Runner and Prometheus with deleted scenes back to back on LSD one night. We are not meant to ever meet our maker, just enjoy the time we have here and now with each other, basking in what light we have left. 🕯️
The scene right at end when he cracked his skull and the agonized screaming was horrific when I first saw it years ago . I couldn't look. But it was extremely brilliant just the same . Very well done. I'm sure Game of Thrones copied this when the Mountain fought with Oberyn .
Since Tyrell is a genius, doesn't he realize that his life is in danger when he sees Roy in his bedroom..he should've played along and agreed with one of the options that Roy gave for a longer lifespan and he could've killed Roy on the operating table and saved his life..
With a man with such a vast amount of hubris, he really believed himself capable of appeasing Roy and defusing the situation. He thought Roy would see him as a God and would not dare to kill his maker... He assumed wrong.
I thought Tyrell was being honest with him - giving him the blunt truth that he'd tried everything and it couldn't be done. They appeared to be discussing potential solutions as equals. And Tyrell seems to know exactly what Roy's done in his lifetime. At the end he's trying to comfort him that he should enjoy his life for what it's been. But it doesn't work.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq I think there's a line over Deckard's car police-radio later that confirms J.F. was also killed. Until I saw this scene here I had never heard Baty whisper "Sorry Sebastian...come here" at the end.
@@edsonnavarrus7379 Hmm. Tyrell might've just put a straight - razor to his carotid artery or jammed his head into a wood chipper. HUBRIS x 1000 - fold !
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eqI thought it was supposed to be Egyptian, like a pharaoh, hence being in a giant pyramid. Paraohs were worshipped as gods even though they were human, I think Tyrell wanted that same power over people.
@@gtassa01 He wanted to be " the god of biomechanics ", although his " children " were officially banned from Earth, as long as he could make that ONE claim, everything was gravy.
There are deleted scenes of Blade Runner which shows he actually did, but it screwed with the pacing of the film. You can find them on youtube somewhere
I like how, throughout the movie Tyrell is almost proud that his creation has been able to escape. It's truly the proof he needed that they were more human than human.
I refuse to believe that Tyrell didn't have better security than this. Despite the fact that Tyrell allowed Sebastian to enter his home, somebody should have been watching and questioning who the stranger (that Sebastian purposely forgot to announce) was. If nothing else, Tyrell doesn't have cameras in his room or a button to push for help if an emergency occurs? Plus, this is supposed to take place in the future. There should have been more advanced technology for security in addition to the things I've listed.
Your right! He should have had a tighter security. The moment Roy said to Tyrell (I had in mind something a bit more radical, meaning physical if I'm not mistaken, should have raised Tyrell's suspicions a little more.)
Some geniuses make very dumb decisions due to being eccentric. Steve Jobs is a great example of that. Though a theory is that the Tyrrell here was a replicant too.
Roy batty was a mental A ranked replicant. He disabled the security. Tyrell knew the second he saw Roy that his only chance was compassion. He knows Batty was built to succeed against incredible odds and that his very presence in his living space meant that he was fucked.
Roy Batty is not exactly a villain as he's an android with childlike brain. Rutger Hauer, however, does amazing bad guys! Check out The Hitcher...scary AF.
I prefer the original cut where he says "I want more life, fucker." The rage against his unfair creator that has condemned him to a limited life is more apparent.
I am sure I saw this movie in the past where Roy says the line ""I want more life fucker" instead of 'father'. Am I going nuts or just wishful thinking? 'fucker' would have been perfect imho expressing the desperation and anger towards his maker. Ok, it's confirmed I'm not going mad, 'fucker' was the original quote and father put in to mellow it down for audiences so it depends on the cut you watch. Phew! thought I was losing the plot!
Roy - Tyrel - the light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. I've taken this character used him as motivation for every opportunity God gave me. Believing I can.
I was confused - because I always remembered this line as "I want more life... fucker!" That's the way it was quoted by Rob Zombie in 'More Human Than Human' (a song based on the movie) He says ' I am the Nexus One, I want more life fucker I ain't done, yeah'. Come to find the latest 'cut' changed the line from fucker to father. Whereas, perhaps more appropriate in terms of meaning, the other line was much more menacing, and memorable.
That's definitely how I remember it, crystal clear (watched it at least a couple dozen times in the 80s). Although "father" works very well too, I'm not a fan of revisionism.
The unforgettable scene in which Billy Idol kills Lou Reed.
esgietheqroue May i turn that into a Demotivational Poster?
esgietheqroue JAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!I DIDN'T THINK IN THATWILL BE POSSIBLE?
+esgietheqroue And all the Nexus 6 girls go do-dee-do-de-do-do-dee-doo-doo-dee-do-de-doo-dooooo....
Billy idol's "eyes without a face" would be in this scene "face without eyes"
One of the best comments, 100%
"It's not an easy thing to meet your maker" Fantastic writing.
Wait till Trump does it. His maker will say they were sorry to have made Trump for the misery he caused.
@@tonymanero5544 TDS
The symbolism here is just wonderful. Tyrell fancied himself a god who lives on top of a high building. His personal suite and his garments all reflect a certain divine quality. Roy travels to this 'heaven' to confront his maker and demand more life. But his maker turns out to be not a god and unable to grant him more life....and Roy slays him, and then descends from heaven back to the dirt-filled earth.
Do you have any idea how complex yet simple your comment is? I think you hit nail on the head.
How about Roy offering confession? “I’ve done questionable things”. Roy expects discipling. Tyrell proves himself neither God nor father, as either would have reprimanded a child. Roy changes there. His response is sarcastic, making fun of himself for thinking Tyrell a God. He proceeds to crush his head
I always got a Paradise Lost vibe from the film, which is why it's one of my favourites.
@@deshipe "Nothing the god of bio mechanics wouldn't let you into heave for?" Roy kinda threw in the towel at that point knowing he would get no where with Tyrell.
Okay, but what kinda rich CEO guy living in a high rise has ZERO security measures in place to stop a maniac from breaking in and crushing his skull, lol
Little or almost nothing is said about J.F. Sebastian's character in this film.
For me the most moving and human character of all. A man who, in order to combat his loneliness, manufactures toys to keep him company.
The actor who played the character, William Sanderson, did a splendid job.
He's a way more fleshed out character in the actual book, you should read it :)
I enjoy his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl.
Seriously, though, Sanderson's work in the film is as good as Hauer's and Turkel's.
@@joshwizinsky1979 J. F. was basically played as a loner who created friends, worked for Tyrell, had the run of a ginormous building & had Methuselah's Syndrome. I guess time didn't allow for more development.
The replicant characters would fall flat without JF sebastian in the middle part of the film
I've seen William Sanderson on TV shows as well. I wondered a long time who this individual was.
Powerful scene he not only killed his father but his god as well.
TheVetoSkreeemer Did god know that his son was there to kill him?
Sean O He did
God is dead, uebermensch killed him. I bet Nietzsche would love it.
Rutger Hauer's character was a type of Nietchze's Überman, one who defines his own values and abandons everything else. The slave becomes the master.
Look at Rachel's memory of the spider again. Tyrell wanted his creation to devour him. It could be that the Ubermensch only slew God because God programmed him to.
Rutger Hauer made this movie. The performance is mesmerising.
This movie only gets better with age. And yes definitely Rutger steals every scene in it.
he didnt though. Some actors actually make movies, like heath ledger. This is not the case here.
@@djdoc06
Every single actors and actresses shine so brightly in Blade Runner, Rutger Hauer just is the most captivating one among them ...
I would say Harrison Ford's Deckard is actually quite charming too in many scenes, and he plays Deckard in a perfectly ambiguous way to keep us guessing if he's a human or a replicant , he's the biggest twist in the movie ..
Sean Young, Joe Turkel, Edward James Olmos, Daryl Hannah and the guy who plays Sebastian, they all gave unique charisma to their roles ...
So its not true that Rutger Hauer is the only great thing ...
@@djdoc06 The "only" Great thing? Harrison ford was great in this too
@@JackJackKcajify what are you talking about?
the saddest thing about this scene for me is that Roy is only four years old and was bred as a soldier, but he can play chess at a grandmaster level, and discuss genetic engineering with an expert - even proposing ideas that Tyrell had considered. he really was something very incredible but he died after four years having barely lived.
In an ideal world - the keyword being " *ideal* ", Roy could've become almost anything. Whether that would be contingent on keeping his Replicant nature a deep, dark secret, I honestly don't know !
Just as Tyrell said, "The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"
@@John_Doe465 Almost fileable under the heading " famous last words " or " KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE ". Tyrell is difficult to feel honestly sorry for.
@@John_Doe465 Trouble is, almost nobody in first world countries dies at the ripe old age of 8 these days.
So killing one of humanity’s towering geniuses isn’t sad?
Powerful and underrated scene. Roy's desperation and hope-against-hope suggesting solution after solution, and his despair on finding what he already knew. And Tyrell's pride and genuine affection for his work, I love the way he shifts from frightened to fatherly in this scene.
Frightened to fatherly to slightly turned on…
… to dead.
I wouldn't really call Tyrell "fatherly" in this scene as much as patronizing. I would expect someone who's being "fatherly" to be someone who's expressing compassion and empathy for his creation (for an example of what I mean, watch Bob Balaban as Dr. Chandra in "2010: The Year We Make Contact" in his interactions with his own machine version of an enfant terrible -- HAL9000). I don't sense much empathy or warmth from Tyrell at all, which might be at least part of the reason why Roy kills him and in such a horribly brutal and violent manner.
The original line is
I want more life Fucker!
But Ridley Scott edits his homework.
@@NormAppleton Very good sir! I always thought that he said, "Arrogant fucker. " Thanks for the clarification.
I never got Roy's desperation or hope-against-hope. In the end, it seemed more like "Who are you to play God?" More of a sadness.
This scene is really a masterpiece...
I agree, but wish the scene went on a little longer because it’a so good and interesting when their conversation just got going.
The whole movie is. L.A. is becoming exactly like the movie itself.
@Susan Coleman Pourquoi?
I was caught off guard when the replicant started naming off possible ways to prevent his termination. Reminded me of the ARC Troopers in Star Wars that were looking for ways to cure their accelerated aging.
yeah. A masterpiece of horror and existential dread.
"I've done... questionable things..." he says just before he murders his maker.
This movie works on so many meta levels it's hard to keep track.
He was giving his maker a chance because he wanted his maker to connect with him on another level... on a level much higher in which he could redeem himself or seek some sort of peace. You may notice that he admitted to various things. It seemed to be after he had been praised that he it retracted him back into what he was programmed to do. To kill. (when he is praised he experiences disappointment.)
@@switzerlandful Not only disappointment. Roy, in very humanlike manner, recognized the dismissal in Tyrell's words. The complete and absolute refusal to help him, sugarcoated in poetic praise.
To have come this far, in the most absolute state of mortal desperation a human life could find itself in, and meeting the god of biomechanics--not only his father and creator but also the singular most capable being in the universe that could possibly help him--only to be refused in such a disgustingly sugarcoated manner (as one in Roy's state would take it as) would probably drive such a man to commit one last final act both questionable and extraordinary.
Then the mortal man, in his most profound and liberating realization of inevitable doom, and in resentful wrath such as only a human can feel, kills God.
@@Maverick2736 Superb analysis!
I want life….father. Neitzchie: “God is dead, man killed him”. This scene is so deep.
@@Maverick2736 spot on. Tyrell shows no genuine concern or empathy of Roy's life and emerging as a thinking being, a human, albeit with a tragically short lifespan.
And the fact that he wants absolution or at least recognition of the fact that he's lived a brutal life with morally questionable choices, but receives something sugarcoated (and arrogant) response.
I fully get the existential anger he feels. It tells us quite a bit that Tyrell doesn't even consider this.
RIP Joe Turkel and Rutger Hauer. The two best performances in the whole movie
Evening Mr Torrence. What'll it be
At least spell his name correctly. Out of respect ,
I would say Harrison Ford's and Sean Young's performances were fantastic as well.
@@georgehenderson7783 those two had no chemistry
Yep !
I guess he should have reconsidered staying as the bartender at the Overlook Hotel.
Or the retired dancer.
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That’s Loyd?!?
You're credit's fine Mr. Torrance...
Your money is no good here Mr. Torrence.
The way Tyrell looks downward immediately after realizing Roy is in the elevator, sheer panic but doing his best to remain composed.
Yes. He knew he was dead.
Jesus, that look that Hauer gives in the elevator, falling from grace from the heavens. I don't think any other actor could've conceived or pulled that off the way he did.
Exactly he act mind twist perfectly we see that Roy los his mind all this expresions on face .... Master peace.
+Joe W one thinking mans movie, how do we treat life once Frankenstein is ..........
i was a little kid at the time and not allowed to see his movies. but i saw a few clips here and there. rutger hauer was the only actor that fascinated me. still does.
Fiery the angels fell, deep thunder rolled around their shores...
Joe W
He's an extraordinary actor up there with the best of them but without the resume to prove it, unfortunately
They need some better air conditioning in the future.
I always thought that was cold sweat. Tyrell is clearly nervous that one of his children has arrived asking for what he knows is impossible, or alternately if you follow the original script he's worried about his cover as a fellow replicant being blown. As for Roy, he's likely just come from outside where it's constantly raining and probably didn't have time on the ride up to dry off. He could also be apprehensive about the moment of truth, then his apprehension grows worse as Tyrell outlines why it can't be done.
@@draconusfrigidus wait wait wait. Tyrell is a replicant?
@@Qwertworks no he’s not in the movie or the book
@@CaveManOogaBooga idk if you are joking but I see my wording might be confusing, I meant that he is not a replicant in the movie or the book, but all the symbolism n such might suggest otherwise at this point
@@gavinrichard1684 sapat malamg janapat
" I have done questionable things..." I like how he confesses his sins to his god/maker before going down to purgatory to finally redeem himself by saving a life.
That’s a good point.
Yes, he's like a fallen angel descending into hell at the end of the scene..."fiery the angels fell, deep thunder rolled around their shores..."
@@dan_swann Would ruling in Hell rather than serving in Heaven be applicable here ?
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eqthe devil doesn't rule hell, he's trapped like everyone else, like Roy and Deckard.
Ridley Scott was way ahead of his time when he made this. Now it will live on as one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made. I think I’ve watched the scene 100 times.
I was happy to have gone to see this on opening weekend.
one of the greatest scenes in any movie..."the light that burns twice as bright... ". Love that shit!
they didnt know about LED's back then
@@CFox.7 How about the sun?
@@PR--un4ub true
@@PR--un4ub except for some of the super massive stars that burn x amount brighter and for x amount longer
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The growing frustration in his face when he sees his options wasting away one by one...
Rest in peace Joe Turkel, legend. The Light That Burns Twice as Bright Burns Half as Long.
I absolutely adore the poetic nature of this conversation between the father and the rebellious prodigal son that is Tyrell and Roy Batty ... Tyrell speaks like a true genius would with such tempting eloquence and yet found himself fearing that his own brilliance cannot escape the horror that his own l'enfant terrible is about to unleash upon himself. As for Roy, the "prodigal son", he responds to Tyrell's coaxing words with such terrifying simplicity, every thing that came out of his mouth has a gut punch effect of anger and fury ..
I simply adore this part of the movie, and the background music just heightens the epic tension unfolding in biblical proportion .. thats whats cinematic effect is all about , wow, just wow ..
Agreed to be able to speak in poetry with knowledge wisdom and deep emotion attached. Not many speak like that.
This is definitely what makes this movie stand the test of time. I couldn’t agree more. The dialogue is very visceral and eloquent at the same time.
The symbolism there is astonishing.
The Man gets in the room with his maker, God.
"I want more life, Father."
The Man has his request denied, God tells him to revel in the time he has, and how his short life is beautiful.
Then, once again, the Man betrays God with a kiss and kills God all over again.
Then the man not long after killing God, dies himself. And the Man facing his end, realized that he did revel in his short time, and that finality is inevitable, all things are to be lost in time.
Too bad Tyrell wasn't any smarter though. If he was then he would have conducted the EMS recombination operation like Roy suggested, knowing that the virus would kill Roy before he could even leave the table. lol
@@dlowery51 Not nescessarily: He can be that smart but he is a human, especially a smart and powerfull one. So even if I would be in that scenario, pride and arrogance would keep me from diverting from telling the thruth. Especially since it would let him look incompetent and cowardly that if they think it works, that the not used it before on other replicants. Like „I am so proud, I won‘t let you make me lie, even in the face of death“
This movie is eternal.
You were made as well as we could make you. What I expect to hear the day I die
I plan to live forever. So far so good. 😂
In 4 years.
Damn it this movie is beautiful, dark, emotional and like a dream...my favourite one :)
It is like a dream, it takes place during the night, and it ends with the sun coming out.
I've actually had dreams like this movie...
Roy, the "fallen angel", so to speak. When He realized that his maker was weak & flawed like the other humans, Roy ended his maker's life.
Love the lightning of this set. RIP Joe Turkel 😢
Just like sound, the right lighting is an art, and a science.
There is no day scene in the entire movie. In the “feel good” version, at the end, Rachel is seen in a car in the only day scene and it’s cloudy.
I saw this movie 40 years ago in the theater. And it blew me away.
The lighting and colors in this scene not forgetting the entire film is very moving and highly emotional...
Man I love this movie
Me too
Donnie Darko has taken the footsteps towards cult status like Blade Runner used to do ... the first time I watched Donnie Darko, the words that immediately came to my mind was "Blade Runner". I really had a very strong suspicion that this movie will go the way of Blade Runner in terms of accumulating adoration from non-mainstream admirers... its so strange for me because I was among the early admirers for both movies before they achieved cult status (of course BR has gone from cult status to the absolutely incredible transformation into being recognised as one of the greatest movies ever made), to see both movies get the love that they did not receive during the initial theater run is really gratifying for me .. like some sort of vindication ..
88feji Both Blade Runner and Donnie Darko are in my top 5 all time. Ive come to realize that the atmosphere of a film is just as important as the story. I love David Lynch films as well. If you havent seen Mulholland Drive, you've got to.
Chumbersdee
Oh my dear, I absolutely hold the same view when it comes to any artistic endeavors .. its all about the mood baby ! The mood heightens the viewer's emotional resonance .. Blade Runner and Donnie Darko are just movies swimming in oceans of moodism.
88feji Totally. Watch Mulholland Drive and Blue Velvet (both by Lynch)
"I've done questionable things"
"But also Extraordinary THING'S Revealing your time !"
Revel in?
We all have.
Yeah, and he smiles while saying that knowing that he’a gonna top those “questionable things” in a moment...
@@HelgaV57 why not add killing god to the list?
Mary Shelley's 'little novel" created in 1816 wrought so many interesting other stories but I think this story is one of the most phenomenally fascinating one. All the layers, connotations, intricate and endless discussions about existence and creation...it goes on and on and has so since the first film in 1982. It's one of those films that change meaning each time you see it and think about it. What is going on is not immediately apparent first viewing, but the subsequent viewings is when this film works on your subconscious. What is life, what is the power of creation and what are we as a whole species capable of creating/nurturing or destroying in this existence. Questions are always more powerful than answers.
Frankenstein was written in the disastrous summer of 1816 (a vulcan in Indonesia called Tambora exploded).
So Blade Runner is a wonderful companion for Mary Shelley's 'little novel" in lots of ways... ;)
I think the symbolism in Blade Runner is inspired more by Christianity and Nietzsche than by Mary Shelley.
@@jimbocho660 It could be equal parts Shelley & Nietsche.
Funny enough I had to write about both Frankenstein and Blade Runner as comparative texts in high school. Considering Mary Shelley's novel was known as "the Modern Promethius", this movie feels like it deserves the same accolade more than 2 centuries later
@@Emza5694 I'll have to look into Frankenstein. It's been ages.
In this sequence, Roy and Eldon are each other's opposite.
Roy wants more life from his creator.
Eldon gives less life to his creatures.
Tyrell is wearing a white dressing gown.
Batty is wearing a long black jacket.
Eldon has vision problems and is wearing glasses.
Roy has perfect eyesight.
Tyrell has black hair.
Batty has white hair.
Roy is a killer, but he has no blame for who he is.
Eldon is a victim, but he's not blameless.
" Eldon is a victim..... ". To me, Eldon might as well have a Satanic pentagram tattoo & devil horns. He's " More Inhuman Than Human ".
The dialogue about ethyl methanesulfonate recombination is accurate. It is a mutagen.
I'll send your Nobel prize for chemistry through the post!
The disappointment of not meeting the God you ever hoped for. To me, this is the best scene in movie history.
Tyrell failed as a God, a father, and a scientist. Roy asked to be forgiven for his sins, but Tyrell is so removed from what is right and wrong he just dismisses Roy's guilt as meaningless. Tyrells answers are too cold and logical to comfort Roy in his desperation, on top of that he didn't even try. Finally, He and his scientists aren't smart enough to give Roy the life he requires. On every level Roy tried to connect with him, Tyrell failed him. I imagine Tyrell would probably fail a Vought-Kampff test too if he ever took one.
@@gtassa01 well thought, he definitely would...no empathy at all.
@@gtassa01 & he wouldn't give Roy more life even if he could. He's holding Roy's Holy Grail / Golden Fleece out or reach.
“Never meet your heroes.” Or in this case, your god and father.
When I saw this back in '82 I distinctly remember Roy calling Tyrell "Fucker" and seeing all of the blood splurting out of Tyrell's eyes as Roy crushed him to death. When the director's cut came out they took out the blood splurting but left in the "Fucker" quote. Weird how after all these years that it was supposedly "Father" but that's not how I remember it.
+Fan Made Videos Later cuts of the film changed this line from "fucker" to "father."
Right ON --- "...I think "fucker" better conveys the fact that Roy is desperate and isn't taking any shit from Tyrell...."It was FUCKER all along. And THAT is more poetic. "Father" was a weak-ass edit/alteration with ZERO emotional impact on me. ZERO INTENSITY. Didn't even know it existed until tonight. Treasured/watched the movie for 34 years now that made me Ridley Scott's biggest fan (except for "the director's cut" - CRAP w/out Ford's voice-over narration - which was EXCELLENT and CLASSIC). These "director's cut" editions are FOR S*#T - completely takes the SPIRIT and REALITY out that the MAGIC EDITORS originally implemented into the theater versions --- Coppola's "Apocalypse Now, Redux" being the most heinous example --- COMPLETELY trashed and CONTRADICTED the REAL PERSONALITY of a stone killer like Willard that was portrayed in the original theatrical version. Just speaking from the TRUTH of EXPERIENCE here if anyone wants to dispute this (rear-area pogues - shut up and get your nightly shower and six pack of beer you stole from the grunts who just came in from a month in the bush. Asswipes.) Francis putting the stupid unreal scenes of Willard doing "buddy buddy, I'm friendly and will joke around with you guys" with the navy dudes from the boat?! RETARDED. THANK GOD FOR GENIUS EDITORS. They really Create the ultimate versions of movies that the directors (Quentin Tarantino - True Romance?! Idiot preferred a depressing DOWNER ending over the EDITOR'S choice that truly was the superior ending to that classic movie. WHO wants to leave a movie that ended in depression and despair? DOWNER. And then the REALITY of Roy Batty and Captain Willard - don't screw with the editors "mister superman directors" - they KNOW what they're doing! You do your job and then turn it over to the editors to Create the BEST final cut. End of rant. Feels pretty good too.
Michael Wallace I don't see why this change pisses you off so much. I think both are interesting in their own way.
@@michaelwallace4312 who hurt you
Yeah I was gonna say... I heard fucker too
I swear there is a version where Roy says "I want more life FUCKER".
In all versions, he says that. Only in the final cut, he says "father" instead of "fucker."
In all versions, he says that. Only in the final cut he says "father" instead of "fucker."
Is it me but I actually really like the original line, " I want more life fucker"
Nah I feel that’s funny but doesn’t fit the tone father is more dramatic and makes sense
@@Galvatronover The lack of punctuation is everything. What is a "life fucker" :-P?
You are correct, I saw it when it first came out in the theater and dozens of times since then, this here is the PG version, "I want more life fucker" has a very visceral feel to it than "father"
@@Galvatronover Yeah it’s more personal.
Nah that’s too cheesy.
I think very few scenes are as powerful and meaningful.
Goosebumps.
One of the defining scenes in a criminally underrated movie. Blade Runner, in whatever version, is one of the great movies in history. Ridley Scott has real vision.
Blade Runner? Criminally underrated?! I'm not sure how a film could have wider praise and love than Blade Runner, it is routinely considered and voted one of the best movies of all time.
@@beardedchimp Among critics and film buffs. But it made no money when released and developed a cult following slowly.
@@mahendrakarunaratne4788 box office receipts have never represented whether a film is underrated. Regardless it made more in box office receipts than the budget, millions more, hardly no money.
It was released to critical acclaim, was profitable and has enjoyed cult critical adoration in the decades following. I'm not seeing any sign of underrated let alone criminally so.
@@beardedchimp Great. For me more people should know about this movie and a lot of ppl don't get its multiple deep messages.
Best Science Fiction Movie of all time.. Films that make you think about the big questions about life, purpose and our origins are rare these days in Hollywood.
Something I never noticed...at 3:54, he says "Sorry, Sebastian."
I didn't notice ty.
Me too. The loud music drowns it out.
After a thousand views...
Me too! First time hearing those 2 whispered lines at the end...
And Roy Batty departs in the elevator by himself.
I know no one likes it but I think changing the line to "father" makes so much more sense. If you start out a request to someone by calling him/her a "fucker" I don't think you're going to get the desired response.
Makes more sense,because the swear word is still implied,the controlled rage is still there..p.s., Rutger Hauer ,what a Great actor..
I’m fairly certain Tyrell knew he was a dead man as soon as he saw Roy but the mad scientist in him couldn’t keep from praising his creation. He kept his composure as well as Tywin did on that toilet seat.
I love how so many people are accusing this scene of being censored. In fact, the original line was supposed to be "Father", and that version was even used when the movie was being shown to test audiences, but the studio wanted it changed to "F*cker". So really, claiming that "F*cker" is the original is sort of like claiming that the terrible narration was always supposed to be in the movie.
I think "fucker" better conveys the fact that Roy is desperate and isn't taking any shit from Tyrell. But both work in a different kind of way "Father" is a more poetic way of addressing Tyrell. The only thing that I don't like very much is Roy calling JF Sebastian after killing Tyrell.
Right ON --- "...I think "fucker" better conveys the fact that Roy is desperate and isn't taking any shit from Tyrell...."
It was FUCKER all along. And THAT is more poetic. "Father" was a weak-ass edit/alteration with ZERO emotional impact on me. ZERO INTENSITY. Didn't even know it existed until tonight. Treasured/watched the movie for 34 years now that made me Ridley Scott's biggest fan (except for "the director's cut" - CRAP w/out Ford's voice-over narration - which was EXCELLENT and CLASSIC). These "director's cut" editions are FOR S*#T - completely takes the SPIRIT and REALITY out that the MAGIC EDITORS originally implemented into the theater versions --- Coppola's "Apocalypse Now, Redux" being the most heinous example --- COMPLETELY trashed and CONTRADICTED the REAL PERSONALITY of a stone killer like Willard that was portrayed in the original theatrical version. Just speaking from the TRUTH of EXPERIENCE here if anyone wants to dispute this (rear-area pogues - shut up and get your nightly shower and six pack of beer you stole from the grunts who just came in from a month in the bush. Asswipes.) Francis putting the stupid unreal scenes of Willard doing "buddy buddy, I'm friendly and will joke around with you guys" with the navy dudes from the boat?! RETARDED. THANK GOD FOR GENIUS EDITORS. They really Create the ultimate versions of movies that the directors (Quentin Tarantino - True Romance?! Idiot preferred a depressing DOWNER ending over the EDITOR'S choice that truly was the superior ending to that classic movie. WHO wants to leave a movie that ended in depression and despair? DOWNER. And then the REALITY of Roy Batty and Captain Willard - don't screw with the editors "mister superman directors" - they KNOW what they're doing! You do your job and then turn it over to the editors to Create the BEST final cut. End of rant. Feels pretty good too.
Just saying that Father is the original line, it's proven. Just go watch the original workprint before they butchered it, and Ridley Scott's final cut, notice how both say father. This was always Scott's intention.
I think JF sebastion got the axe because he basically was the reason for Hauer's problem- it was his genetic defect that is implied to be what gives them such short lifespans, at least from my understanding. I could be wrong. And it was an act of rage as well.
@@johnmurdoch8534 I think Roy probably always planned to kill Sebastian, especially considering the genetic engineers don't seem to treat the Replicants as human beings, instead being fascinated by their "creations" (like Chew trying to impress Roy by mentioning he designed Roy's eyes.) From a Replicant's point of view, guys like Sebastian aren't much different from slave breeders.
Him gouging out his eyes was one of my earliest memories as a child. I remember looking up at the tv and seeing thumbs entering eye sockets and lots of blood. And for all my life I always wondered what movie that was from and was sure Id never see it again. Until one day I was watching Bladerunner and it all hit me at once. I couldn’t believe that I found it. This one looming memory of a man getting his eyes gouged out had finally connected back to its source and I’ve been a huge Bladerunner fan ever since.
@Mitsi Grabblerberg I thought about it at one point during a fight but I just fish hooked the guy instead.
For some reason it is the finger breaking, I watched that scene at like ~5 in 1990 and made me terrified of joints going the wrong way. Eye gouging is obviously more gruesome, but fingers snapping backwards hurt my soul.
My god this film is perfect.
For me its the shot in the lift at end the look roy gives...
I had a friend in HS that was a bit off and we found out later he was bipolar/schizophrenic and he would have the EXACT same look of confusion/understanding/relief, etc.....crazy how life imitates art life (vice versa)
I love the expression of righteous fury and vengeance mixed in with absolute anguish on Roy Batty's face when he murders Tyrell.
“I brought a friend.” With friends like this…
Sebastian was an innocent though, desperately lonely and so desperate for a friend - Pris - that even though he fears Roy he tries his best to help him and therefore help Pris. Then again, if he’d refused to help he’d have been killed on the spot.
Who needs enemies!
The writing in this scene is impeccable.
I need to find a copy of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep ? to compare IT with the ruddy movie.
This film and this scene is extraordinary. No one before or since has ever seen such sumptuous cinematography.
The aliens-predator movies not so muchnbut Legend was also a feast for the eyes, i dont think anyone can beat Scott.
Later Sci-fi is all-dependent on CGI creations. Plot line and character depth... "Who's got time for that!!!"
03:13 That initial *crunch* always gets me >_
Such a powerful scene for Roy. IMO this movie will never be beaten
The Hex lens glasses, falling down to the floor.
Punctuates, the violence of this scene, and an artificial army soldier.
Searching for answers.
Masterpiece of filming.
*I want more life... Fucker!* (original)
I hate that they keep on changing these movies .... I liked the narration that was on the theatrical release. It's just incredibly pretentious for these directors to feel that they need to "improve" their movies. Usually they can't.
Well actually it was the reverse. There was no narration in the very first version. Then the studios wanted to "improve" the movie and added a voice over.
Ridley Scott changes his movies more than George Lucas does - geez why so many versions of this?
7 versions in total. But actually it's the studios who wanted to make change to the movie. Then many years later Scott get his own version (Final Cut)
Yeah 'Father' seems at odds with Roy's character and story - the genius of Bladerunner is that there is no clear good vs evil faction - the replicants are shown to murder for selfishness as much as humans can and they are not reluctant to use their superior strength or guiles to manipulate those humans around them to achieve their ends.
Roy is a character that has been killing and bullying his way through the story - look at the way he is grabbing onto Sebastian and commands him to 'stay'. The music featuring Roy throughout the film also takes on a sinister tone. This actually leaves the ending more impacting as Roy finally transcends his programming/biology and gains a 'soul'.
Hauer was an absolute God of an actor, every role he played, just pure godliness, he could have been given so many more roles, he was a terrifyingly good actor, he should have been in Horror movies more, when he did Hitcher and Nemesis, I really got into his acting
27/6/2022/ ! Now Dr. Tyrrel will be able to verify that Nexus 6 had a soul ¡, Vangelis and Rutger Hauer are waiting for him beyond Orion's belt at Tanhauser's door, ! Rest in peace ¡.
God, I love this movie. I can’t watch it enough times. So far ahead of its time in 1982. It was like nothing I had ever seen.
A genius of filmmaking, period. 🎥😎
Admittedly, this is just a pondering after watching this scene for like the billionth time...
Tyrell explains to Deckard that Rachael is "an experiment", and in the original cut (yes, I'm referring to the voice-over and upbeat ending that we'd all like to forget about), it's explained that she also doesn't have the four-year lifespan.
It's also revealed that Deckard himself is a Replicant; if memory serves, he's supposed to be an experimental model, as well, with Holden's memories implanted in him.
Now, round that all up and come back to this scene. After Roy kills Tyrell and Sebastian (who I always felt sorry for), who knows how long he stayed in the suite? It's implied that he left immediately after, but what if... What if he didn't completely believe Tyrell about there being no way to remove the lifespan limitation? Wouldn't it make sense that he would have stayed there long enough to do a quick search of Tyrell's suite for notes and/or transcripts of trial runs in bypassing the lifespan? I mean, there was no one in there besides the three of them, and it didn't look like Roy was in a real hurry to get away. And, while searching through the notes, he finds the info on Rachel, and probably Deckard, as well.
Now fast forward to that final scene between Roy and Deckard, with Roy breaking his fingers and stalking him through the building. It's obvious he's toying with Deckard, drawing out the hunt and building his fear, right up to Deckard jumping (and so-nearly failing at it) across to the next building, then leaving him to dangle and almost fall before pulling him up to safety, and delivering that beautifuil monologue.
Is it just possible that Roy, knowing Deckard is a Replicant like himself, and knowing that he himself is dying, takes it on himself to do something that Tyrell obviously couldn't- to show Deckard that life is the most precious of things.
Tyrell couldn't have cared less, honestly; he sees the Replicants as nothing more than a product to be sold. He doesn't see them as living, sentient beings. "Commerce is our goal here at Tyrell. 'More human than human' is our motto." "You were made as well as we could make you." "Rachael is an experiment. Nothing more." He's cold and unsympathetic, and an utter failure as a father/God figure. Could it be possible that Roy, in being so utterly disappointed in Tryell as both father and God, takes it upon himself to surpass his maker? By forcing Deckard to fight for his life, by taking him to the point where Deckard is facing his final seconds before dying (just as Roy himself is), and then making that point about living in fear (as any Replicant who comes back to Earth does, or anyone does who allows him or herself to just accept life without appreciating what it means to live), he is, in fact, replacing God, and making Him a more sympathetic deity. By using his own death purposefully, he's guiding another person into life, "creating" him, if you will. Roy has now become God the Creator, and so has brought balance to his own darker actions earlier in the story, redeeming himself in the process.
Or maybe I'm just reading way too much into it, and need to go to sleep ;-)
+necrosunderground Interesting indeed but my slightly different take on it was that Roy, his life close to over, want Deckard to fully appreciate what he has, a future. I dont think he ever saw himself as a god. For the record this remains my favourite film of all time.
+necrosunderground He doesn't become like God at all. Roy even quotes the Bible in the movie. He redeems himself, sure, and also gives Deckard the life he wanted to live, but couldn't; but the whole scene with Tyrell showed how Roy understood no living creature can play God. God is flawless, thus all He made was flawless. As man fell and became flawed, so did every thing man created. What is perfect for Tyrell is a flawed perfection, and Roy, destroyed about learning his creator hadn't thought about his livelihood and that he was flawed killed him, partly to signify the death of "playing God." so Roy is not God. He is, however, (I'd like to argue) the Hero.
Arent all gods SOBs though Daniel Appleton ? And the nexus 6 crew are far from angelic..I've done ...questionable things..."
He committed murder though. Surely that cannot be justified?
I think rachel would be Nexus-7.
You can see similar themes in Ridley Scott's movies. The creation meeting the creator. The theme of life, death, immortality. Remember that discussion between Peter Weyland and the last Engineer? 'This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life'. Here, the creation kills its creator, out of frustration. In Prometheus, the creator kills its creations, for the same reason (more or less). God/aliens being frustrated with mankind. The same story with David, a frustrated creation that wants to be an independent god, a creator, not a creation.
That's exactly why I watched Blade Runner and Prometheus with deleted scenes back to back on LSD one night. We are not meant to ever meet our maker, just enjoy the time we have here and now with each other, basking in what light we have left. 🕯️
"Nothing the god of bio mechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for."
Heartwarming scene between a father and son.
Epic perfect scene.Heart of movie.Lights,location,dialogs,music and acting brilliant.
He was also a great Hitcher
The scene right at end when he cracked his skull and the agonized screaming was horrific when I first saw it years ago . I couldn't look. But it was extremely brilliant just the same . Very well done.
I'm sure Game of Thrones copied this when the Mountain fought with Oberyn .
RIP Joe Turkel
2:32 It is very hard when all your hopes and dreams are being shattered
& when your " Father " acts kind of dismissive of the wish for a longer lifespan.
Since Tyrell is a genius, doesn't he realize that his life is in danger when he sees Roy in his bedroom..he should've played along and agreed with one of the options that Roy gave for a longer lifespan and he could've killed Roy on the operating table and saved his life..
I was thinking the SAME EXACT THING. or tell him sure we can try, but its risky.
Brian Lee EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With a man with such a vast amount of hubris, he really believed himself capable of appeasing Roy and defusing the situation. He thought Roy would see him as a God and would not dare to kill his maker... He assumed wrong.
I thought Tyrell was being honest with him - giving him the blunt truth that he'd tried everything and it couldn't be done. They appeared to be discussing potential solutions as equals. And Tyrell seems to know exactly what Roy's done in his lifetime. At the end he's trying to comfort him that he should enjoy his life for what it's been. But it doesn't work.
Hubris... he was a genious, but arrogant and detached as many real genious are with zero empathy ... and that got him killed
Am I the only one that just felt sorry for JF Sebastian afterwards? It was just so unnecessary and kind of a dick move to kill him
They didn't show J.F. getting killed on camera, I always took it as implied that he hoofed it & got the hell out of Dodge.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq I think there's a line over Deckard's car police-radio later that confirms J.F. was also killed. Until I saw this scene here I had never heard Baty whisper "Sorry Sebastian...come here" at the end.
In the movie, I don’t think it mattered. The Sebastian character had a disease that accelerate aging; he didn’t have long to live.
Its so awesome how two or more authors can make such a powerful sequence so full of meanings
There are TONS of detail. Tyrell's penthouse *seems to* resemble the Papal apartments, for example.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq "Also extraordinary things; revel in your time!"... That single answer seals Tyrell's fate. A great detail of perfect writing.
@@edsonnavarrus7379 Hmm. Tyrell might've just put a straight - razor to his carotid artery or jammed his head into a wood chipper. HUBRIS x 1000 - fold !
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eqI thought it was supposed to be Egyptian, like a pharaoh, hence being in a giant pyramid. Paraohs were worshipped as gods even though they were human, I think Tyrell wanted that same power over people.
@@gtassa01 He wanted to be " the god of biomechanics ", although his " children " were officially banned from Earth, as long as he could make that ONE claim, everything was gravy.
he was the best godammed bartender from timbuktu to portland oregon
One of the most brilliant films ever made. 👏 So ahead of it's time.. Like attack ships on fire and tears in the rain.. It's time to die.
I never understood how Tyrell had no security.
A superintelligence knew how to enter with privileges, it is very well written
There are deleted scenes of Blade Runner which shows he actually did, but it screwed with the pacing of the film. You can find them on youtube somewhere
i like so much the face rutger hauer make at 4:00 with the music he own so much the screen and the movie
Tyrell was probably my favourite character after Deckard he just seemed interesting obviously had a God complex
When this first came out in the theaters he actually says “I want more life fucker!”.
It was Rutger Hauer's performance in this movie that inspired Ann Rice's character "Lestat".
R.I.P. RH.
I like how, throughout the movie Tyrell is almost proud that his creation has been able to escape. It's truly the proof he needed that they were more human than human.
Rutger Hauer is a legend.. Rip
This film is so like Lynch’s Dune. Could not understand it at first, but it becomes better every time you watch it. That, my friends, is a classic.
I always thought it was really cool how the Tyrell Corporation and Weyland-Yutani Corp. all occupy the same universe.
It is a crazy and perfect expression. Amazing violence unleashed and contained again...till needed.
Well, at least he has a guy that does eyes.
“Revel in your time”.🔥
I refuse to believe that Tyrell didn't have better security than this. Despite the fact that Tyrell allowed Sebastian to enter his home, somebody should have been watching and questioning who the stranger (that Sebastian purposely forgot to announce) was. If nothing else, Tyrell doesn't have cameras in his room or a button to push for help if an emergency occurs? Plus, this is supposed to take place in the future. There should have been more advanced technology for security in addition to the things I've listed.
Your right! He should have had a tighter security.
The moment Roy said to Tyrell (I had in mind something a bit more radical, meaning physical if I'm not mistaken, should have raised Tyrell's suspicions a little more.)
Some geniuses make very dumb decisions due to being eccentric. Steve Jobs is a great example of that. Though a theory is that the Tyrrell here was a replicant too.
Roy batty was a mental A ranked replicant. He disabled the security. Tyrell knew the second he saw Roy that his only chance was compassion. He knows Batty was built to succeed against incredible odds and that his very presence in his living space meant that he was fucked.
The white pjs vs the black coat color symbolism and the candles metaphor. Beautiful poetry.
One of the greatest movie villains ever
filmneek I don't think we can call him a villain.
Roy Batty is not exactly a villain as he's an android with childlike brain. Rutger Hauer, however, does amazing bad guys! Check out The Hitcher...scary AF.
Which person are you referring to? Neither can be considered villains.
"I want more life f*cker!" - the original
"I want more life, Father." - Rutger Hauer 1944-2019
I prefer the original cut where he says "I want more life, fucker." The rage against his unfair creator that has condemned him to a limited life is more apparent.
The fall of the rebel angel. My favorite scene.
The worst thing about him wasnt dying but living his entire life committing unspeakable evil.
the original line in the script was "i want more life, fucker"
No. This is the original line.
And from the shadow of this great movie a great metal band is born.
Which ?
I am sure I saw this movie in the past where Roy says the line ""I want more life fucker" instead of 'father'. Am I going nuts or just wishful thinking? 'fucker' would have been perfect imho expressing the desperation and anger towards his maker.
Ok, it's confirmed I'm not going mad, 'fucker' was the original quote and father put in to mellow it down for audiences so it depends on the cut you watch. Phew! thought I was losing the plot!
I think "Father" is more poetic, meaninful, to voice from deep, from a child who is lost. I like this way.
I think "father" is better and gives more depth to the dialogue.
Father is way more powerfull. Contained rage deals a far heavier blow than loud yelling or curse words.
Roy - Tyrel - the light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. I've taken this character used him as motivation for every opportunity God gave me. Believing I can.
If he could do this much damage with just his hands, imagine what he could do with a shotgun. As a hobo.
Golden era of movies. 😎
I was confused - because I always remembered this line as "I want more life... fucker!" That's the way it was quoted by Rob Zombie in 'More Human Than Human' (a song based on the movie) He says ' I am the Nexus One, I want more life fucker I ain't done, yeah'. Come to find the latest 'cut' changed the line from fucker to father. Whereas, perhaps more appropriate in terms of meaning, the other line was much more menacing, and memorable.
That's definitely how I remember it, crystal clear (watched it at least a couple dozen times in the 80s). Although "father" works very well too, I'm not a fan of revisionism.
“Not an easy thing to meet your maker.”