Given power always makes character less interesting, Dude was given power while Vegeta and Goku worked thier asses off for 40+ years to attain the power they have and and out of nowhere Gohan who hardly ever trains is at God level...Bad writing is what it is and I fucking love Akira but call it what it is.
he said he trained behind the scenes but i think they should have shown him train so that we know he actually works but not at that intensity goku and vegeta do, welp we all were also kinda the reason gohan became the underdog ngl
But remember that he's a *hybrid* and due to the genetic saiyan cycle as noted by *Akira Toriyama* himself Half-Saiyan/Human hybrids *have more potential than pure-bloods* (but that doesn't necessarily make them stronger)
If there one big problem anime has its the concept of the hidden potential. Gohan has gotten his hidden potential unlocked so many times its become comical. I like Gohan as a character but seeing him awaken his true potential time after time makes less interested in his story.
I honestly think I would love Gohan more if they don't milk his "the most potential stuff" I dislike that the person who become the strongest non fused characther in Buu Saga is the one who slacked of for 7 years straight. I disliked that they make Gohan in league or even stronger than Goku and Vegeta even after all the training in Beerus planet just because he taught his master died "again" in SuperHero. God ki training should had close the potential between full saiyan and half breed saiyan in my opinion. I like when it with Cell because he actually train with Goku instead of sitting on his ass while some Old wizard unlock his potential to no diff every opponent during that arc instead
He got his potential unlocked 2 times through ritual of some sorts (Rage boosts don't count) 1st time as a child with Guru, and the 2nd time with the Old Kai.
@@edogawaconan945except if you actually pay attention, even during cell the physical training actually did nothing at all for Gohan. (Which is somewhat due to Gohan being part demon.)
@@Deaddokthat's also largely due to Gohan's demon ancestry. Many seem to forget/simply overlook that chi chi is not a full blooded human. Her father is a demon. But if they will everyone take the time to watch daima and the new season of super then they would figure these sort of things out.
Akira Toriyama just failed Gohan. Him getting cocky AGAIN against Buu is just awful. After he lost his beloved father the last time, someone with his heart at the right spot like Gohan should never dare to do that again.
@@NotCharAznable I agree that in terms of writing Namek was peak. But claiming he failed in general afterwards is bs, sry. That is not true. He did an amazing job with Vegeta for example.
@ManuR-l4m Gohan getting his ultimate form with no struggle then defeating buu effortlessly would be the most anticlimactic end to an arc. In terms of writing thats probably the weakest way you could have probably ended that arc. Honestly the ultimate form itself is probably the worst thing toriyama ever wrote and I think he realized that which is why he wrote it out so quickly.
The laziest thing that a story can do is make a character stronger “because”. Dragon Ball’s insistence that Gohan somehow has more hidden potential than any other character for some reason, coupled with the story’s habit of randomly power-boosting him to the same levels of characters who dedicate all of their time to training, makes him the undisputed worst character in Dragon Ball. In a story that focuses on characters growing as people and training to become the strongest fighter, Gohan instead proves that none of it matters. Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo could train every day for years, and Gohan will still somehow be on their level despite never even leaving his desk.
Well firstly that is precisely gohans "character", always has been and yes he has had this very power within him from birth. But also being that Gohan is actually part demon the same ol conventional methods do absolutely nothing for him towards unlocking his true power.
I vividly remember when Z released. Everyone was happy for Goku and Chi Chi finally having a kid after the whole OG King Ox arc. But we all knew Gohan wouldn't be half the fighter (no pun intended) his dad is. Gohan is a nerdy family man that fights when he has no choice. Goku is a warrior class full blooded Saiyan.
Gohan didn’t get his father killed in the cell games, first of all Goku gave cell a senzu like a dumbass, he then teleports cell to king Kai’s and starts blabbering with Kai for about ten seconds instead of just teleporting back with Kai, Bubbles and Gregory. He then refuses to get wished back because he want a to have fun in the otherworld. Don’t blame Goku’s selfish decisions on Gohan
me when i lie like a clown goku WANTED to stay dead explicitly saying that all of the events that had happened were because of him hence if he stayed dead no one would be coming after him meaning no villians and peace AND THE ONE DAY HE COMES BACK the buu saga happens so yeah maybe he was right to stay dead
@mrscreativeone22 i agree but small note babidi was going to be there regardless. Vegeta tweaking and thus accelerating buus revival was definitely a result goku being around though.
It seems like Toriyama was more of a creative writer rather than an indepth writer prefering the most crazy and wacky outcome over the more logical one. I think Vegito and Great Saiyaman are good examples. Not really focusing on the lore or deeper meanings, but just having fun with it..
@@Deaddok 1st. By doing the wacky thing and making Gohan miss catching the potara. 2nd. Saying that it's a permanent fusion just to easily get out of it by having them get absorbed but still able to fight inside Buu... also fighting inside Buu. OORRR that time goku decided his young pre teen child should fight the planetary threat...
Except the lore and deeper meanings are actually the purpose and inspiration for the "beast " form and it it's perfectly true to the character of "Gohan". Not that I even entirely disagree, but it truly doesn't apply to the beast form.
@@se7enthsoulGoku sensed the power which the beast form comes from. That's why he knew it had to be Gohan. Js. That 11 year old was the strength of ssj 3 Goku.
I am a Gohan fan myself, and although I like Gohan being the strong, cool character that he is at times, I am ok with him staying with his family and if that makes him weaker, then so be it. I'm fine with that because that really feels like it fits with his character. Gohan is just way too human. Gohan was born on earth and raised in human customs and things like that, so he will definitely be more human, and it shows that when he is portrayed as weaker and with his family, because that's what he wants. He wants to be with his family. He wants to be a dad and be there for, and with his daughter as she grows up, he wants things that most other people want. It's like that little instance in the Goku Black Arc where Future Trunks met Adult Gohan and his family and he was sad that he didn't have that, because as cool as they are in fighting and gaining more and more power and just being cool and bad-@$$ you have to remember that they are still people. They have wants and desires and other things, because from their perspective, Gohan and Future Trunks, you always have to fight, you always have to struggle, you lose things and it's hard to just go on, they have losses and life is hard and they wish for their lives to get better. Looking at it that way and in that constantly fighting lifestyle there is barely any peace, if any, and you don't have time for yourself or your family, and you will have a lot of pressure on you and you will be struggling all of the time and so many things where you will feel overwhelmed, and you think about your family, and that things could be better and wishing that it wasn't this way and that things were different, having all this weight on your shoulders and just to a point where you can't be with your family and all of you cannot find really any real happiness if you're not there, and then it just gets to a point where you are overwhelmed and it feels like you want to quit, like you are sick and tired, you're tired of being sick, you are sick of being tired. That is what this would most likely do, maybe not everyone, but it is that way with Future Trunks and with Gohan, because of the pacifist that he is I feel like this is how he will be. That is why I am ok with Gohan being weaker and being with his family and things like that because that portrays his character very well, because that is literally who Gohan is, even in Dragon Ball Z when he was taken by Raditz and Raditz talked about him being born for battle and that he could have been a great fighter, but he said that he didn't want to fight, or when Goku made him fight Cell, Gohan didn't really want to fight either, even though he got more powerful because before he turned Super Saiyan 2 he was literally crying in his battle with Cell because he didn't want what was happening. It actually is alined with Gohan's character and who Gohan is as a person, because I am not going to lie, I was one of those people who, when I saw teen Gohan in the Buu Saga I was like everyone else in thinking, "This isn't my Gohan!" Or "They ruined Gohan!" And things like that, but as I said from looking back on Dragon Ball Z and everything, when he is not angry, through everything from Raditz and Cell and everything Gohan was not about that life he has a soft nature and that is who he is and who he has been during his whole life even in the Buu Saga. It actually alines with Gohan's character and that is why I love him, because it shows that he is different from Goku and Vegeta and he is a more down to Earth, human, individual, who is just living and trying to achieve happiness and other things in life, and that is what makes him a great character in my opinion, not his power, just his personality and characteristics of a good man who shows that even though he has the power he is still a person, not a fighter, well he is a fighter, but what I mean is... he is not a warrior per say. He is not going to go out there and seek battle like Goku or Vegeta, nor is he doing to drop everything just to fight. It gives you that human, peace loving side to Dragon Ball with Gohan. Now, I am not pushing for Gohan to be weaker. I am not doing that at all. Would I want Gohan to become stronger? Absolutely! I love Gohan. I love when he is strong and bad-@$$, and I wish that he would balance work, family, and training and become strong and relevant again. I am just saying that if they do make Gohan weaker, then I would not be mad about that because that is who Gohan is, and it fits with his character. That is what I think about Gohan. Tell me what you all think.
The Buu saga was asspull after asspull with no effective buildup for each. • Ultimate Gohan: no buildup, yet Gohan somehow becomes the strongest fighter • SSJ3 Goku: at least Goku trained for it, but there was no buildup in the narrative itself. I would've preferred it if Goku hinted at himself unlocking a greater level of power during his fight with Vegeta, then showing it off against Buu. • Potara: the earrings were retroactively turned into a fusion technique so Goku and Vegeta could have a narratively satisfying way to handle Buu. There was no indication that the Potara earrings could fuse two people until it was brought up right before they fused.
Toriyama really wanted to hammer in what Goku said at the beginning of the Saiyan saga "Even a low class, if he trains hard enough, can beat the elite.". Gohan got so cocky he attained a new level of power first that he stopped training, and he paid the price for it BIG TIME. Had he not gotten ignorant and cuntinued training he'd might have surpassed even Goku, but alas his thought process turned just like Vegeta's before he got humbled
Akira was written into a corner and fans didnt like gohan in the spotlight reason for goku being brought right back in the story honestly id prefer gohan to have finished buu not like goku couldnt train to get stronger like he did for 7 years in other world
Goku and Vegeta doesn't have as much potential as Gohan, Broly, and Frieza but they training and work so hard that they break their limits everytime making them able to keep up with fighters who have great potentials to achieve powers faster than them. If Gohan had the drive like Goku and Vegeta yeah he'd be the strongest Z warrior.
There are college students IRL who also spent mad time in the gym and still graduated. No excuse. Gohan could have kept training and graduated high school and college.
The only problem is that gohan never actually wanted to fight he wanted to go to school and enjoy life hes not like goku he never really cares about fighting and why would he he was kidnapped as a kid by Radits and lost his father and felt as if he needed to go to namek to save his dad and then he trained with goku to fight cell because goku wanted him to and then Goku kinda corners gohan to fight cell and even in that fight gohan kept telling cell he doesn't wanna fight so once gohan finally has some peace he decided to live the way he wanted he didn't want anything to do really fighting because it never lead to anything good for him
I remember reading somewhere that Toriyama originally wanted Gohan to take over the role from Goku as the main protagonist but because of fan backlash, he changed to where Goku was still relevant to the story and saves the day in the end.
@pluszowyprezes Unfortunately, he's right. Gohan goes hard ONLY during strife. Perfect example being Future Gohan. When it's peaceful, he gets way too lax and doesn't train. Unlike Vegeta and Goku, Gohan has no innate drive to be stronger. He's only ever been motivated by protecting others.
Speaking of Zenkai Boosts becoming obsolete, is it wrong of me to say that Zenkai is an O.P. ability? Because Saiyans might as well stop being Superman/Kryptonian rip-offs and might as well be Hulk rip-offs.
Well, They're NOT Kryptonian knock offs. You must not have read Vegeta's Saiyan Biology handbook so I'll give you a nice comparison: Kryptonians are the top gold medal standards of strength. Saiyans are biological %^&*ing cheaters
Man, Gohan going ssj2 to save everyone still gets me in my feels to this day. The type of character development to make a man shed a tear. It’s a shame to see what happened to him since.
Even though I adore the entire franchise. I still can't forgive them for what they did to teen Gohan in the Buu saga (and almost everything about him afterwards).
I think its a cop-out regarding Gohan reached his full potential as the Saiyans ability to increase power after recovering is essentially an evolution trait embedded in their DNA. Realistically unless death occurred, all other forms of exhaustion and injury leads to increased power.
I do like the idea that Ultimate didn’t include any SSJ effects, emphasizing the Earth part of Gohan’s hybrid (after all it was a mixture of Earth & SJ genes that gave Gohan his potential) even if it didn’t travel well to some fans (there are a lot of less intelligent viewers who thought he fought Buu without any power ups). It’s sad that it went nowhere. I could see that Toriyama wasn’t happy with turning Gohan into Goku 2.0 without any of Gohan’s characteristics. Doesn’t excuse him throwing him under the bus. I do stand that the ToP was the redemption of the Ultimate Gohan in Kamesennin Gi & Kamisama Shirt & Boots form. Gohan having the power but the intelligence & objectivity to back up his power as well as emphasizing his characteristic empathy (the locket) and humility (his apology to Piccolo during the fight with the Nanekians). His sacrifice with Dyspo is the fulfilled coda to how he went out in the Buu Atc.
The only reason I can think of as to why Gohan didn't kill Buu after absorbing Piccolo and the boys was because he wasn't sure if he would kill them to. Which he would have.
Gohan got distracted by a conversation. Buu with Piccolo absorbed would be smart enough to go "oh I'm about to kill Dende you better stop me before the dragon balls disappear - SURPRISE!"
TL;DR - plot convenience. He was forced to stop training so there could be a Buu saga, then forced to fight the only being in the universe at that time he could lose to when he got his power back, and then removed from the plot so the rest of the arc could happen because he was then too strong. Why? Easy: Toriyama allowed him to be himself between Cell and the Buu saga, a period where there were 0 threats... and then made the story have him go up against the strongest character in the series (up to that point, with only 2 stronger - Buuhan and Vegito) that required the strongest fusion at that time to take down. He was forced to not catch the earring by Toriyama because the resulting fusion could have been even stronger than Vegito (only weaker if you assume rivalry bonus and whatnot being MASSIVE), making the Buutenks/colo fight not even mildly interesting. He was then sidelined by Toriyama for the rest of the arc because he was too powerful to bring into the fight against Kid since he would have taken Kid down without a sweat. As to his power early on in the arc, if he would have trained, there wouldn't have been an arc. He would have 1-tapped every enemy they came across and evaporated Buu's container.
Ultimate Gohan is WAY worse than anything you can possibly say for Beast. He: - loses his protagonism and agency in the saga HE kicks off and introduces - Earns the transformation through a ritual (fine) but doesn’t actually correct his character flaw of slacking off. If anything he is REWARDED for doing so. - Is for whatever reason reversed into being a cocky character when he’s strong. This is Toriyama forgetting his own character here, because Gohan only got cocky against Cell as he was personally invested in “punishing” Cell for his deeds. It’s a cockiness that manifested from an immature and self serving form of justice. Ultimate Gohan being cocky makes 0 sense, as he SAW HIS COCKINESS COST HIS DAD HIS LIFE AND HAD TO LIVE YEARS WITH HIM GONE 😭😭😭 this is an awful case of the narrative making Gohan’s character flaws be misinterpreted as *character traits* and this problem persists until Super largely fixes his character and has him slowly train to regain his battle senses.
8:18 No chance. Saying Buutenk's energy ball was enough to destroy the Earth isn't saying much when their power levels are so high they could destroy the Earth several times over with ease. Remember, SPCell charged up a Kamehameha that could have destroyed the Earth twice over if Gohan didn't stop him, and charging that blast didn't cost Cell anything. He didn't break a sweat until Pre-teen Gohan started resisting and he had to pour more energy into it. Back to Buutenks, I don't think he knew Gohan had been healed by Dende, so he figured this would have been enough to take Gohan out. But no chance. If Gohan 'was' back to full fighting capabilities, he'd have done more than tank it; he could have just knocked it back or something. If Buutenks went all out, that might be a different story, but he wasn't/didn't. If Gohan 'was' back to full fighting capabilities, he's only lacking energy. A beam struggle would be against him, but in a fight or to push back ki attacks, Gohan is evenly matched with Buutenks. But yeah, I do agree that Gohan wouldn't have been able to beat Buuccolo's mind games. Eventually, it would be exactly the same outcome and Gohan would get absorbed. With all that said though, it could have been such a worthy redemption arc for Gohan in DBS. But no, instead we got Gohan yet again neglecting his training and yet again character regression to being cocky again when he got Beast mode. It took Piccolo stopping pretending that he was dead to yell at Gohan to finish the fight asap, even though I feel Beast Gohan still could have beaten Cell MAX even without exploiting the off switch in his head. Though, this was the same Cell form that blew himself up, so I think Piccolo was right. If I had it my way, Gohan can only use his Ultimate form, because that was canon until Toriyama forgot about Gohan's Ultimate form. I would make it so Gohan trained with Piccolo a LOT sooner than the start of the Universe Survival arc. Probably right after U6 vs U7 filler. That would give Gohan all of Goku Black/Zamasu arc and that other filler arc to both regain his fighting instincts AND reach the ceiling of his Ultimate form. He can state that he's trying to find his own power here and say he's straying from his Saiyan lineage because he knows how cocky he gets due to his lust for battle. But then, in the ToP, he embraces his Saiyan pride and the subsequent lust for Battle, and in doing so he is able to go Super Saiyan, multiplying his Ultimate form. This allows him to eliminate Dyspo and briefly put up a fight with Destroyer Toppo before he eliminates Gohan. (Yes, I'd keep Goku's fight with Kefla because that Kamehameha was f*ckin' sweet!) Plug in that if Gohan wasn't so thirsty for battle, he could have teamed up with Frieza and Vegeta to take Destroyer Toppo out. After the ToP, Gohan seems to go back to studying, but in reality he's been trying to figure out if he wants to use his Ultimate form or rely on his Saiyan side. Then, while fighting Cell MAX, Gohan taps into SS2 again, but it's not enough. Piccolo steps in to save Gohan, and Gohan finally comes to a realization. His indecisiveness is putting the people he cares about in jeopardy. Gohan decides to use ALL of his powers, that he doesn't need to decide between his Ultimate form and Super Saiyan, so he combines the two to get Beast, a culmination of his entire character, both his desire to protect the ones he loves, and his Saiyan pride and lust for battle. And instead of Piccolo once again telling Gohan to finish it asap, Gohan remembers what Cell can do once backed into a corner, and he himself decides to finish it immediately to protect the Earth. Voila, character redemption arc fulfilled, and Beast doesn't seem to be as much of an asspull now, and ToP Ultimate Gohan isn't magically God tier all of a sudden. You can claim I have the power of hindsight, but c'mon. Gohan FINALLY getting a decent character arc was a LONG time coming. It didn't take hindsight to come up with a way to fix his character flaw from the Z era.
Although Gohan gained a new power ultimate Gohan.Gohan still lacked that intimidating aurora and look he had as teen Gohan SS2 which is why they made him look like teen SS2 Gohan in beast form in superhero.When Gohan became an adult its as if he lost that personality he gained as teen gohan SS2 .
Yu obv don’t watch dbz or understand gohan ssj2 that’s primarily his beast rage pushing his powers to new heights this wat narrator says further more stack ssj2 being emotional transformation that usually boost a sayian ego and etc vs ultimate gohan isn’t that he just had him with potential unleashed beast is same shting gohan besstly anger/rage comes out and he has anew transformation Ultimate
@@alexbasha0508 Thats cool but it would be awesome to see someone like Broly or Vegeta get that final blow on a major Villain. Gohan has had that type of moment already. Them having a major win doesn't mean it's not still the Goku show. And they could really make things easier if they start bring multiple strong major threat opponents in the story at once in the same arc to have more than one fight going on to satisfy everyone. Because think about, now we have beast Gohan, orange Piccolo, and Broly on the team. One major enemy fighting all 5 of those strong beings at once will be crazy unless it's a angel or being strong as Beerus or close. Two or three enemies would make sense at this point. If we're lucky we could possibly see everyone get a 1v1 with their own individual fight to save the cosmos.
I would have liked to have seen how life played out on earth if goku and babadi never showed up for the world martial arts tournament and it was just vegeta vs gohan in the finals
Ultimate gohan is basically the lesson super wants to shove down our throats in training the base form to a level you don't need super saiyan. Gohan cheated his way there. Goku basically got this with UI allowing his base super and god for s an extra boost so in a way super nanaged to find a better way to use this system But ultimate is still better than god that got thrown away almost immediately
I honestly think I would love Gohan more if they don't milk his "the most potential stuff" I dislike that the person who become the strongest non fused characther in Buu Saga is the one who slacked of for 7 years straight. I disliked that they make Gohan in league or even stronger than Goku and Vegeta even after all the training in Beerus planet just because he taught his master died "again" in SuperHero. God ki training should had close the potential between full saiyan and half breed saiyan in my opinion. I like when it with Cell because he actually train with Goku instead of sitting on his ass while some Old wizard unlock his potential to no diff every opponent during that arc instead
The Z fighters have a line up of GOKU, VEGETA, GOHAN, PICCOLO, AND BROLY Imagine we get 3 major threats in one arc rather than just ONE BIG BAD to defeat the Z fighters. They should start bringing more enemies to team up on the Z fighters in the same ARC because the Z fighters line up to protect the universe is pretty overkill for any evil threat. It could open up so many possibilities. I just couldn't imagine Frieza by himself beating all 5 even with this black form unless its that much stronger than everyone.
Gohan’s existence is just being a plot device and his character has suffered because of it. I prefer him chilling out on fighting and doing what he wants to do.
Good video Never really saw ultimate gohan that way until now although i would still say that Z’a worst momenta is better than Super’s best moments lol Also btw the voices are kinda getting old 😂😅
Great points, however to think vegeta was stronger based on him wanting to fight gohan is insane. Let’s not forget the supreme Kai stated gohan was the strongest and he was basically reading everyone’s mind. So id say at the start he was the strongest but then something odd happened, I believe it’s cuz he wanted to do a fusion finisher with goku and vegita but the 12 movie stole that idea
Ultimate Gohan failed because of his inefficient training. He never tried to master ss2. He didn’t want to push himself or update his arsenal of techniques. The training he had with his brother, the fights he had with Dabura and fat Buu, plus the z sword training, doesn’t compare to what Goku and Vegeta did during the time skip. A random, unearned power up doesn’t fix what Gohan needed.
0:30 Gohan didn’t get his father killed lol. All the z fighters continually fumbled that saga and goku arguably got himself killed by giving cell a senzu bean instead of letting gohan fight him while he was weaker. Also gohan was 11 years old and Goku just thrust the entire responsibility of the universe on him.
@@newhybrid101 Yeah he did all that without God Ki or without training half as much as Goku and Vegeta, imagine if he did, Gohan would have been INSANE
I never said Hercule sucks as a character. Lol. The awesome stuff Hercule did was because of his character not fighting as a Z Warrior. Read what I said again . And again. And again.
Ultimate Gohan, the time Toriyama gave Gohan fans(tm) what they wanted and gohan fans(tm) hated it not realizing the irony all those fans want is gohan to revert back to the angry guy who fights without a brain and puts others in danger due to his hubris because god forbid him enjoy life
So strong, yet such a disappointment to fans that know that gohan has great potential to surpass any one of the Dragon Ball Z characters yet it's the writers that seem to be his biggest enemy not giving this guy the chance to become his own star and instead become a balance scale of going up and down in terms of his power. Hell they even gave Gohan black, an original character meant for the sparkling zero what if storyline for Gohan, a better character story than Goku black
Gohan was never really a proactive character. The only times he trained or fight was for the Need to survive he never actually wanted to have a goal that he strive for like Goku or Vegeta. He also never really had much of a personality.
Krillin and Hercule are some of the strongest humans in the world and they’re punches and kicks couldn’t even phase Cell Some random human was able to punch Gohan off his feet 😂
Buu saga was just rushed sadly, developed him just for him to make the same mistakes. Think Gohan redeemed himself in Dragonball Super Hero since he has been training and ready to fight new threats with his new form. Hopefully Toyotaro can this Gohan from regressing
It varies, but as far as the manga officially confirmed with Super, Goku and Vegeta don't receive Zenkai boosts, though some how Goku Black is able to. I personally subscribe to the idea that Zenakai are a failsafe in a Saiyan's genetics that brings a Saiyan's power closer and closer to the Super Saiyan threshold, once it's achieved Zenkai begins to yield diminishing returns (Around when Super Saiyan popped up for characters there really was no talk of characters or atleast the good guys becoming stronger from nearly dying.) So basically Cell and Goku black are the only one's post Namek who were known to still get Zenakai's. One's a genetic abomination, and another hijacked a Saiyan's body, both are outliers. Though from Super onwards, Zenkai has sort of been replaced from a post-battle healing power up, to some sort of adapting battle sense where the Saiyan adapts and rises in power mid-battle. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Broly as showcased that. Though to be honest that isn't entirely Saiyan exclusive as other 'prodigy' characters also adapt in battle like Hit.
If i recall from manga Vegeta says something along the lines of him and Goku being so well trained and boosted that Zenkai doesnt work anymore on them. Black wasnt as trained so he was able to get those.
wait....Gohan STILL thought he WAS the Stronged even after TRAINING for 7 YEARs....WOW He IS Cocky and even Lazier than i AM even I KNOW i need to train to stay RAZOR SHARP
It's actually not. The beast form fully fits gohans character. He's always had the very same power , his case is just much different from any other so conventional means do nothing for Gohan towards unlocking his true potential. And if you would actually watch daima +when the new season of super comes out next year you will learn that the beast from essentially draws out the full potential of all of gohans ancestry. Saiyan, human, and demon
12:32 - Being honest I"m not sure. We know Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Buu Piccolo absorbed as Goku was confident that his son could take him down even without his aid. I'd like to say Gohan would win and logically he should but Buu does have Piccolo's Battle IQ and unless Gohan approaches the fight seriously but cautiously but as you said I'm not sure if I have full confidence in him considering his issues with arrogance.
just realized something both goku and naruto's first born are getting a lot of hate compared to their fathers but at least boruto is actually living up to his prodigy hype right now, gohan was doing that but he just keeps coming and going. Well hopefully naruto's daughter doesn't end up like goku's second son
The problem with gohan is gohan. Even in the cell saga it took goku to back gohan to finish cell. Gohan shouldve had his own emotional moment after all thise deaths and that shouldve changed gohan forever. He seen his dad Sagrada his life for everyone. No one after that day should have to get beat to extinction in order for gohan to do something. Like piccolo did agaisnt cell max. It's like he's not maturing. And because of stuff like this goten and trunks don't get no real play. The lack of actual stakes.
Doofus Super Buu? Not only is Super Buu extremely powerful, but he outplayed everyone (though mostly because even before he absorbed Piccolo he tended to act much stupider than he actually was) and it wasn't just a basic case of Super Buu outsmarting them or getting lucky, he covertly came up several plans to become the strongest in the universe and with every plan he came up with, he thought of several back-up plans as well. He also manipulated many of the heroes into making himself seem like less of a threat and when the opportunity presented itself from the heroes being arrogant, he would not only take advantage of it but also made sure that there were some contingency plans if things were to go against him. And it worked like a charm because he technically never loses a battle. And any battle that it seems like he is losing, he's losing on purpose because it's all a part of his plan. It took the Story-Breaker Power of Vegito just to slow him down. Also, while it's not really elaborated upon, he was able to accurately calculate the entire planet's population just by walking around the Lookout for a minute and then mentally sort through billions of unique ki signatures in order to only kill who he wanted to. It's later revealed that in this form Buu has two gods absorbed, who presumably add a ton of mystical and universal knowledge (though Super Buu never uses it).
Megumi from jjk is way worse than gohan with the potential nonsense tbh I feel like he may have actually even dethroned gohan as anime's worse potential man 😂
He was went the become the new main dude but then then someone high up demanded to stick to the goku vegeta whos the stronger one/goku saving the day with a plot thing
The goku and vegeta battle prowess thing seemed to be mostly in the top" atleast that's when it was on crack. I'm also not jacking goten would be able to beat saiyanman arc gohan
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I do find it hilarious that Vegeta was only going to enter the tournament at first to give Gohan a reality check
Nobody:
Saiyan scholar: "Gohan is the GOAT of anime"
Also saiyan scholar the very next day:
"GOHAN IS A DISGRACE!!!"
LMAO... The GOAT of Anime? When? Where? 💀
You might be thinking about Toshi for the former, my dude
Goathan of our hearts
@@thanosdevito lmao
"Gohan is the strongest in the universe but still doesn't do crap!"
gohan is no where near that. sorry.
@@John289474 facts
Given power always makes character less interesting, Dude was given power while Vegeta and Goku worked thier asses off for 40+ years to attain the power they have and and out of nowhere Gohan who hardly ever trains is at God level...Bad writing is what it is and I fucking love Akira but call it what it is.
he said he trained behind the scenes but i think they should have shown him train so that we know he actually works but not at that intensity goku and vegeta do, welp we all were also kinda the reason gohan became the underdog ngl
@@sukritsaini4641 theres a reason why the phrase "show don't tell" exist. DBS fall very heavy on this.
Same. I don't get why the writers are so afraid of showing Gohan actually earn his strength?
But remember that he's a *hybrid* and due to the genetic saiyan cycle as noted by *Akira Toriyama* himself
Half-Saiyan/Human hybrids *have more potential than pure-bloods* (but that doesn't necessarily make them stronger)
@@Megaman.ExE7Doesn’t matter enough. Gohan, like Caulifla are Asspullers plain and simple.
Gohan and dropping the ball is a match made in heaven. Good thing he doesn't carry pan much
If there one big problem anime has its the concept of the hidden potential.
Gohan has gotten his hidden potential unlocked so many times its become comical.
I like Gohan as a character but seeing him awaken his true potential time after time makes less interested in his story.
I honestly think I would love Gohan more if they don't milk his "the most potential stuff"
I dislike that the person who become the strongest non fused characther in Buu Saga is the one who slacked of for 7 years straight.
I disliked that they make Gohan in league or even stronger than Goku and Vegeta even after all the training in Beerus planet just because he taught his master died "again" in SuperHero.
God ki training should had close the potential between full saiyan and half breed saiyan in my opinion.
I like when it with Cell because he actually train with Goku instead of sitting on his ass while some Old wizard unlock his potential to no diff every opponent during that arc instead
Same honestly the super movie was just a joke to me. Another potential ass pull transformation
He got his potential unlocked 2 times through ritual of some sorts (Rage boosts don't count) 1st time as a child with Guru, and the 2nd time with the Old Kai.
@@edogawaconan945except if you actually pay attention, even during cell the physical training actually did nothing at all for Gohan. (Which is somewhat due to Gohan being part demon.)
@@Deaddokthat's also largely due to Gohan's demon ancestry. Many seem to forget/simply overlook that chi chi is not a full blooded human. Her father is a demon. But if they will everyone take the time to watch daima and the new season of super then they would figure these sort of things out.
Akira Toriyama just failed Gohan. Him getting cocky AGAIN against Buu is just awful. After he lost his beloved father the last time, someone with his heart at the right spot like Gohan should never dare to do that again.
Akira Toriyama failed at writing and characterization in general after the Frieza saga.
Nah having flawed characters is better than having bland characters always making the right decisions.
@@NotCharAznable I agree that in terms of writing Namek was peak.
But claiming he failed in general afterwards is bs, sry. That is not true. He did an amazing job with Vegeta for example.
@@PiperAtDawn-r7i Absolutely true. But the way Gohan failed was awful.
@ManuR-l4m Gohan getting his ultimate form with no struggle then defeating buu effortlessly would be the most anticlimactic end to an arc. In terms of writing thats probably the weakest way you could have probably ended that arc. Honestly the ultimate form itself is probably the worst thing toriyama ever wrote and I think he realized that which is why he wrote it out so quickly.
The laziest thing that a story can do is make a character stronger “because”.
Dragon Ball’s insistence that Gohan somehow has more hidden potential than any other character for some reason, coupled with the story’s habit of randomly power-boosting him to the same levels of characters who dedicate all of their time to training, makes him the undisputed worst character in Dragon Ball.
In a story that focuses on characters growing as people and training to become the strongest fighter, Gohan instead proves that none of it matters. Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo could train every day for years, and Gohan will still somehow be on their level despite never even leaving his desk.
Well firstly that is precisely gohans "character", always has been and yes he has had this very power within him from birth. But also being that Gohan is actually part demon the same ol conventional methods do absolutely nothing for him towards unlocking his true power.
Also Gohan actually has trained alot. Even in super the difference is that it does nothing for him
I vividly remember when Z released. Everyone was happy for Goku and Chi Chi finally having a kid after the whole OG King Ox arc. But we all knew Gohan wouldn't be half the fighter (no pun intended) his dad is. Gohan is a nerdy family man that fights when he has no choice. Goku is a warrior class full blooded Saiyan.
@aliyamarah7796 they way you're saying nerdy family man kinda make me triggered
@716_ハディくん don't beam me bro
It's annoying seeing terrible complaints how Gohan is a terrible character when they completely miss the point of him.
Gohan didn’t get his father killed in the cell games, first of all Goku gave cell a senzu like a dumbass, he then teleports cell to king Kai’s and starts blabbering with Kai for about ten seconds instead of just teleporting back with Kai, Bubbles and Gregory. He then refuses to get wished back because he want a to have fun in the otherworld. Don’t blame Goku’s selfish decisions on Gohan
Well said!
What do you mean? Goku sacrificed himself
me when i lie like a clown goku WANTED to stay dead explicitly saying that all of the events that had happened were because of him hence if he stayed dead no one would be coming after him meaning no villians and peace AND THE ONE DAY HE COMES BACK the buu saga happens so yeah maybe he was right to stay dead
@mrscreativeone22 i agree but small note babidi was going to be there regardless. Vegeta tweaking and thus accelerating buus revival was definitely a result goku being around though.
It seems like Toriyama was more of a creative writer rather than an indepth writer prefering the most crazy and wacky outcome over the more logical one. I think Vegito and Great Saiyaman are good examples. Not really focusing on the lore or deeper meanings, but just having fun with it..
Sounds right but great saiyanman was absolutely a logical conclusion for Gohan. 😂
How is Vegito a more crazy outcome than logical?
@@Deaddok 1st. By doing the wacky thing and making Gohan miss catching the potara. 2nd. Saying that it's a permanent fusion just to easily get out of it by having them get absorbed but still able to fight inside Buu... also fighting inside Buu. OORRR that time goku decided his young pre teen child should fight the planetary threat...
Except the lore and deeper meanings are actually the purpose and inspiration for the "beast " form and it it's perfectly true to the character of "Gohan".
Not that I even entirely disagree, but it truly doesn't apply to the beast form.
@@se7enthsoulGoku sensed the power which the beast form comes from. That's why he knew it had to be Gohan. Js. That 11 year old was the strength of ssj 3 Goku.
I am a Gohan fan myself, and although I like Gohan being the strong, cool character that he is at times, I am ok with him staying with his family and if that makes him weaker, then so be it. I'm fine with that because that really feels like it fits with his character. Gohan is just way too human. Gohan was born on earth and raised in human customs and things like that, so he will definitely be more human, and it shows that when he is portrayed as weaker and with his family, because that's what he wants. He wants to be with his family. He wants to be a dad and be there for, and with his daughter as she grows up, he wants things that most other people want. It's like that little instance in the Goku Black Arc where Future Trunks met Adult Gohan and his family and he was sad that he didn't have that, because as cool as they are in fighting and gaining more and more power and just being cool and bad-@$$ you have to remember that they are still people. They have wants and desires and other things, because from their perspective, Gohan and Future Trunks, you always have to fight, you always have to struggle, you lose things and it's hard to just go on, they have losses and life is hard and they wish for their lives to get better. Looking at it that way and in that constantly fighting lifestyle there is barely any peace, if any, and you don't have time for yourself or your family, and you will have a lot of pressure on you and you will be struggling all of the time and so many things where you will feel overwhelmed, and you think about your family, and that things could be better and wishing that it wasn't this way and that things were different, having all this weight on your shoulders and just to a point where you can't be with your family and all of you cannot find really any real happiness if you're not there, and then it just gets to a point where you are overwhelmed and it feels like you want to quit, like you are sick and tired, you're tired of being sick, you are sick of being tired. That is what this would most likely do, maybe not everyone, but it is that way with Future Trunks and with Gohan, because of the pacifist that he is I feel like this is how he will be. That is why I am ok with Gohan being weaker and being with his family and things like that because that portrays his character very well, because that is literally who Gohan is, even in Dragon Ball Z when he was taken by Raditz and Raditz talked about him being born for battle and that he could have been a great fighter, but he said that he didn't want to fight, or when Goku made him fight Cell, Gohan didn't really want to fight either, even though he got more powerful because before he turned Super Saiyan 2 he was literally crying in his battle with Cell because he didn't want what was happening. It actually is alined with Gohan's character and who Gohan is as a person, because I am not going to lie, I was one of those people who, when I saw teen Gohan in the Buu Saga I was like everyone else in thinking, "This isn't my Gohan!" Or "They ruined Gohan!" And things like that, but as I said from looking back on Dragon Ball Z and everything, when he is not angry, through everything from Raditz and Cell and everything Gohan was not about that life he has a soft nature and that is who he is and who he has been during his whole life even in the Buu Saga. It actually alines with Gohan's character and that is why I love him, because it shows that he is different from Goku and Vegeta and he is a more down to Earth, human, individual, who is just living and trying to achieve happiness and other things in life, and that is what makes him a great character in my opinion, not his power, just his personality and characteristics of a good man who shows that even though he has the power he is still a person, not a fighter, well he is a fighter, but what I mean is... he is not a warrior per say. He is not going to go out there and seek battle like Goku or Vegeta, nor is he doing to drop everything just to fight. It gives you that human, peace loving side to Dragon Ball with Gohan. Now, I am not pushing for Gohan to be weaker. I am not doing that at all. Would I want Gohan to become stronger? Absolutely! I love Gohan. I love when he is strong and bad-@$$, and I wish that he would balance work, family, and training and become strong and relevant again. I am just saying that if they do make Gohan weaker, then I would not be mad about that because that is who Gohan is, and it fits with his character.
That is what I think about Gohan. Tell me what you all think.
The Buu saga was asspull after asspull with no effective buildup for each.
• Ultimate Gohan: no buildup, yet Gohan somehow becomes the strongest fighter
• SSJ3 Goku: at least Goku trained for it, but there was no buildup in the narrative itself. I would've preferred it if Goku hinted at himself unlocking a greater level of power during his fight with Vegeta, then showing it off against Buu.
• Potara: the earrings were retroactively turned into a fusion technique so Goku and Vegeta could have a narratively satisfying way to handle Buu. There was no indication that the Potara earrings could fuse two people until it was brought up right before they fused.
I am glad you provided evidence instead of just barren statements with no supporting evidence at all. I completely forgot about Goten humbling Gohan.
All this hype only for him to get completely destroyed and forgotten about for the rest of the arc
Toriyama really wanted to hammer in what Goku said at the beginning of the Saiyan saga "Even a low class, if he trains hard enough, can beat the elite.". Gohan got so cocky he attained a new level of power first that he stopped training, and he paid the price for it BIG TIME.
Had he not gotten ignorant and cuntinued training he'd might have surpassed even Goku, but alas his thought process turned just like Vegeta's before he got humbled
Akira was written into a corner and fans didnt like gohan in the spotlight reason for goku being brought right back in the story honestly id prefer gohan to have finished buu not like goku couldnt train to get stronger like he did for 7 years in other world
Goku and Vegeta doesn't have as much potential as Gohan, Broly, and Frieza but they training and work so hard that they break their limits everytime making them able to keep up with fighters who have great potentials to achieve powers faster than them. If Gohan had the drive like Goku and Vegeta yeah he'd be the strongest Z warrior.
There are college students IRL who also spent mad time in the gym and still graduated. No excuse. Gohan could have kept training and graduated high school and college.
Especially when they move faster than the speed of light.
The only problem is that gohan never actually wanted to fight he wanted to go to school and enjoy life hes not like goku he never really cares about fighting and why would he he was kidnapped as a kid by Radits and lost his father and felt as if he needed to go to namek to save his dad and then he trained with goku to fight cell because goku wanted him to and then Goku kinda corners gohan to fight cell and even in that fight gohan kept telling cell he doesn't wanna fight so once gohan finally has some peace he decided to live the way he wanted he didn't want anything to do really fighting because it never lead to anything good for him
YES!!! I MISSED WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!!
WE ARE BACK!
Man the creators really hated him
No the fans preferred Goku over gohan
I remember reading somewhere that Toriyama originally wanted Gohan to take over the role from Goku as the main protagonist but because of fan backlash, he changed to where Goku was still relevant to the story and saves the day in the end.
@@Gojo13201Toriyama preferred Goku over Gohan, he felt that Gohan wasn't suited for being the main character
And then came the Dragon Ball Super Superhero movie
@pluszowyprezes Unfortunately, he's right. Gohan goes hard ONLY during strife. Perfect example being Future Gohan. When it's peaceful, he gets way too lax and doesn't train. Unlike Vegeta and Goku, Gohan has no innate drive to be stronger. He's only ever been motivated by protecting others.
Speaking of Zenkai Boosts becoming obsolete, is it wrong of me to say that Zenkai is an O.P. ability? Because Saiyans might as well stop being Superman/Kryptonian rip-offs and might as well be Hulk rip-offs.
Well, They're NOT Kryptonian knock offs. You must not have read Vegeta's Saiyan Biology handbook so I'll give you a nice comparison: Kryptonians are the top gold medal standards of strength. Saiyans are biological %^&*ing cheaters
Buu Saga did Gohan dirty, but then again, we all know DBZ shouldve ended after the Cell Saga.
Man, Gohan going ssj2 to save everyone still gets me in my feels to this day. The type of character development to make a man shed a tear. It’s a shame to see what happened to him since.
Goku: I leave the future of earth to the next generation.
Also Goku: ALRIGHT ALRIGHT I'M BACK... Gohan, wheres your muscles?
0:58
And the fact that he had to gall to wear his father's drip when he got beat up like that. My goat SpongeBob would never.
You're forgetting the best character growth moment of Gohan though:
Kid Gohan: "Your Mom's belly button sticks out!"
Ultimate Gohan: "You re
Love the picture of Resurrection of F Gohan punching a hole in SSJ Gohan.🤣
Even though I adore the entire franchise. I still can't forgive them for what they did to teen Gohan in the Buu saga (and almost everything about him afterwards).
I think its a cop-out regarding Gohan reached his full potential as the Saiyans ability to increase power after recovering is essentially an evolution trait embedded in their DNA. Realistically unless death occurred, all other forms of exhaustion and injury leads to increased power.
I do like the idea that Ultimate didn’t include any SSJ effects, emphasizing the Earth part of Gohan’s hybrid (after all it was a mixture of Earth & SJ genes that gave Gohan his potential) even if it didn’t travel well to some fans (there are a lot of less intelligent viewers who thought he fought Buu without any power ups).
It’s sad that it went nowhere. I could see that Toriyama wasn’t happy with turning Gohan into Goku 2.0 without any of Gohan’s characteristics. Doesn’t excuse him throwing him under the bus.
I do stand that the ToP was the redemption of the Ultimate Gohan in Kamesennin Gi & Kamisama Shirt & Boots form. Gohan having the power but the intelligence & objectivity to back up his power as well as emphasizing his characteristic empathy (the locket) and humility (his apology to Piccolo during the fight with the Nanekians). His sacrifice with Dyspo is the fulfilled coda to how he went out in the Buu Atc.
I've thought about this for years I think Ultimate Gohan vaporizing Super Buu in seconds is not the ending Akira wanted so he did Gohan dirty.
who do you guys think would win in a fight buu saga piccolo or buu saga tien?
The only reason I can think of as to why Gohan didn't kill Buu after absorbing Piccolo and the boys was because he wasn't sure if he would kill them to. Which he would have.
What would it be like if Mori Jin from the God of Highschool was in Dragon Ball Z's storyline?
Gohan got distracted by a conversation. Buu with Piccolo absorbed would be smart enough to go "oh I'm about to kill Dende you better stop me before the dragon balls disappear - SURPRISE!"
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!!! lol I miss that.
TL;DR - plot convenience. He was forced to stop training so there could be a Buu saga, then forced to fight the only being in the universe at that time he could lose to when he got his power back, and then removed from the plot so the rest of the arc could happen because he was then too strong.
Why? Easy: Toriyama allowed him to be himself between Cell and the Buu saga, a period where there were 0 threats... and then made the story have him go up against the strongest character in the series (up to that point, with only 2 stronger - Buuhan and Vegito) that required the strongest fusion at that time to take down. He was forced to not catch the earring by Toriyama because the resulting fusion could have been even stronger than Vegito (only weaker if you assume rivalry bonus and whatnot being MASSIVE), making the Buutenks/colo fight not even mildly interesting. He was then sidelined by Toriyama for the rest of the arc because he was too powerful to bring into the fight against Kid since he would have taken Kid down without a sweat. As to his power early on in the arc, if he would have trained, there wouldn't have been an arc. He would have 1-tapped every enemy they came across and evaporated Buu's container.
Ultimate Gohan is WAY worse than anything you can possibly say for Beast. He:
- loses his protagonism and agency in the saga HE kicks off and introduces
- Earns the transformation through a ritual (fine) but doesn’t actually correct his character flaw of slacking off. If anything he is REWARDED for doing so.
- Is for whatever reason reversed into being a cocky character when he’s strong. This is Toriyama forgetting his own character here, because Gohan only got cocky against Cell as he was personally invested in “punishing” Cell for his deeds. It’s a cockiness that manifested from an immature and self serving form of justice. Ultimate Gohan being cocky makes 0 sense, as he SAW HIS COCKINESS COST HIS DAD HIS LIFE AND HAD TO LIVE YEARS WITH HIM GONE 😭😭😭 this is an awful case of the narrative making Gohan’s character flaws be misinterpreted as *character traits* and this problem persists until Super largely fixes his character and has him slowly train to regain his battle senses.
I love the what the hell happened series 😂
8:18 No chance. Saying Buutenk's energy ball was enough to destroy the Earth isn't saying much when their power levels are so high they could destroy the Earth several times over with ease. Remember, SPCell charged up a Kamehameha that could have destroyed the Earth twice over if Gohan didn't stop him, and charging that blast didn't cost Cell anything. He didn't break a sweat until Pre-teen Gohan started resisting and he had to pour more energy into it. Back to Buutenks, I don't think he knew Gohan had been healed by Dende, so he figured this would have been enough to take Gohan out. But no chance. If Gohan 'was' back to full fighting capabilities, he'd have done more than tank it; he could have just knocked it back or something. If Buutenks went all out, that might be a different story, but he wasn't/didn't. If Gohan 'was' back to full fighting capabilities, he's only lacking energy. A beam struggle would be against him, but in a fight or to push back ki attacks, Gohan is evenly matched with Buutenks.
But yeah, I do agree that Gohan wouldn't have been able to beat Buuccolo's mind games. Eventually, it would be exactly the same outcome and Gohan would get absorbed.
With all that said though, it could have been such a worthy redemption arc for Gohan in DBS. But no, instead we got Gohan yet again neglecting his training and yet again character regression to being cocky again when he got Beast mode. It took Piccolo stopping pretending that he was dead to yell at Gohan to finish the fight asap, even though I feel Beast Gohan still could have beaten Cell MAX even without exploiting the off switch in his head. Though, this was the same Cell form that blew himself up, so I think Piccolo was right.
If I had it my way, Gohan can only use his Ultimate form, because that was canon until Toriyama forgot about Gohan's Ultimate form. I would make it so Gohan trained with Piccolo a LOT sooner than the start of the Universe Survival arc. Probably right after U6 vs U7 filler. That would give Gohan all of Goku Black/Zamasu arc and that other filler arc to both regain his fighting instincts AND reach the ceiling of his Ultimate form. He can state that he's trying to find his own power here and say he's straying from his Saiyan lineage because he knows how cocky he gets due to his lust for battle. But then, in the ToP, he embraces his Saiyan pride and the subsequent lust for Battle, and in doing so he is able to go Super Saiyan, multiplying his Ultimate form. This allows him to eliminate Dyspo and briefly put up a fight with Destroyer Toppo before he eliminates Gohan. (Yes, I'd keep Goku's fight with Kefla because that Kamehameha was f*ckin' sweet!) Plug in that if Gohan wasn't so thirsty for battle, he could have teamed up with Frieza and Vegeta to take Destroyer Toppo out.
After the ToP, Gohan seems to go back to studying, but in reality he's been trying to figure out if he wants to use his Ultimate form or rely on his Saiyan side. Then, while fighting Cell MAX, Gohan taps into SS2 again, but it's not enough. Piccolo steps in to save Gohan, and Gohan finally comes to a realization. His indecisiveness is putting the people he cares about in jeopardy. Gohan decides to use ALL of his powers, that he doesn't need to decide between his Ultimate form and Super Saiyan, so he combines the two to get Beast, a culmination of his entire character, both his desire to protect the ones he loves, and his Saiyan pride and lust for battle. And instead of Piccolo once again telling Gohan to finish it asap, Gohan remembers what Cell can do once backed into a corner, and he himself decides to finish it immediately to protect the Earth. Voila, character redemption arc fulfilled, and Beast doesn't seem to be as much of an asspull now, and ToP Ultimate Gohan isn't magically God tier all of a sudden. You can claim I have the power of hindsight, but c'mon. Gohan FINALLY getting a decent character arc was a LONG time coming. It didn't take hindsight to come up with a way to fix his character flaw from the Z era.
THAT THE HELL HAPPENED ...to Gohan a Question we will ask for decades
8:13 "Piccoboo" sounds like you'd get jumped for saying it in the hood
This title funny asf 😂😂😂😂gotta watch it
Ayo chill man, hes in the frontline since he was Only 4! give him a break 😭
I feel like I recall Goku Black mentioning that the Zenkai was reset when he took over the body
Although Gohan gained a new power ultimate Gohan.Gohan still lacked that intimidating aurora and look he had as teen Gohan SS2 which is why they made him look like teen SS2 Gohan in beast form in superhero.When Gohan became an adult its as if he lost that personality he gained as teen gohan SS2 .
Yu obv don’t watch dbz or understand gohan ssj2 that’s primarily his beast rage pushing his powers to new heights this wat narrator says further more stack ssj2 being emotional transformation that usually boost a sayian ego and etc vs ultimate gohan isn’t that he just had him with potential unleashed beast is same shting gohan besstly anger/rage comes out and he has anew transformation
Ultimate
They literally wrote him DROPPING THE BALL/EARRING!
Saiyan Scholar is the smartest man in the Universe
Goten and Trunks' potential IMMEDIATELY being squandered in EoZ just sucks.
Ultimate Gohan was actually good but it's the Goku and Vegeta show.
Its the Goku show. Vegeta still hasn't gotten a movie or show main villain victory in DB. Goku and Gohan always take that role.
@@ogloc8405Pretty much.
It will always be the Goku show, he will always be the top guy. It’s just how it is.
@@alexbasha0508 Thats cool but it would be awesome to see someone like Broly or Vegeta get that final blow on a major Villain. Gohan has had that type of moment already. Them having a major win doesn't mean it's not still the Goku show. And they could really make things easier if they start bring multiple strong major threat opponents in the story at once in the same arc to have more than one fight going on to satisfy everyone. Because think about, now we have beast Gohan, orange Piccolo, and Broly on the team. One major enemy fighting all 5 of those strong beings at once will be crazy unless it's a angel or being strong as Beerus or close. Two or three enemies would make sense at this point. If we're lucky we could possibly see everyone get a 1v1 with their own individual fight to save the cosmos.
I would have liked to have seen how life played out on earth if goku and babadi never showed up for the world martial arts tournament and it was just vegeta vs gohan in the finals
Ultimate gohan is basically the lesson super wants to shove down our throats in training the base form to a level you don't need super saiyan. Gohan cheated his way there.
Goku basically got this with UI allowing his base super and god for s an extra boost so in a way super nanaged to find a better way to use this system
But ultimate is still better than god that got thrown away almost immediately
I always like playing Kakarot while watching this videos 😂
I honestly think I would love Gohan more if they don't milk his "the most potential stuff"
I dislike that the person who become the strongest non fused characther in Buu Saga is the one who slacked of for 7 years straight.
I disliked that they make Gohan in league or even stronger than Goku and Vegeta even after all the training in Beerus planet just because he taught his master died "again" in SuperHero.
God ki training should had close the potential between full saiyan and half breed saiyan in my opinion.
I like when it with Cell because he actually train with Goku instead of sitting on his ass while some Old wizard unlock his potential to no diff every opponent during that arc instead
He has the most potential out of the Z warriors. Characters outside of the Z warriors like Broly and Frieza has greater potential.
The Z fighters have a line up of GOKU, VEGETA, GOHAN, PICCOLO, AND BROLY
Imagine we get 3 major threats in one arc rather than just ONE BIG BAD to defeat the Z fighters. They should start bringing more enemies to team up on the Z fighters in the same ARC because the Z fighters line up to protect the universe is pretty overkill for any evil threat. It could open up so many possibilities. I just couldn't imagine Frieza by himself beating all 5 even with this black form unless its that much stronger than everyone.
Gohan’s existence is just being a plot device and his character has suffered because of it. I prefer him chilling out on fighting and doing what he wants to do.
Dragonball Z legacy of Goku 2 in the background 🐐
Despite all this Gohan still got Videl, so he's a damn Chad if you ask me
Bigger letdown? Ichigos final bankai
Not for the same reasons but still
Good video
Never really saw ultimate gohan that way until now although i would still say that Z’a worst momenta is better than Super’s best moments lol
Also btw the voices are kinda getting old 😂😅
Great points, however to think vegeta was stronger based on him wanting to fight gohan is insane. Let’s not forget the supreme Kai stated gohan was the strongest and he was basically reading everyone’s mind. So id say at the start he was the strongest but then something odd happened, I believe it’s cuz he wanted to do a fusion finisher with goku and vegita but the 12 movie stole that idea
I can smell the failure!!
Gohan isn't to blame for dropping the earring, Goku could instant transmission 🔥
Ultimate Gohan failed because of his inefficient training. He never tried to master ss2. He didn’t want to push himself or update his arsenal of techniques. The training he had with his brother, the fights he had with Dabura and fat Buu, plus the z sword training, doesn’t compare to what Goku and Vegeta did during the time skip. A random, unearned power up doesn’t fix what Gohan needed.
0:30 Gohan didn’t get his father killed lol. All the z fighters continually fumbled that saga and goku arguably got himself killed by giving cell a senzu bean instead of letting gohan fight him while he was weaker. Also gohan was 11 years old and Goku just thrust the entire responsibility of the universe on him.
I don’t care what no one says Gohan’s the best Character💀💀💀
Even Hercule is an awesome character. But, he sucks as a Z Warrior lol.
@@SaiyanScholarHe doesn't suck.
Look at all the stuff he did without powers
@@newhybrid101 Yeah he did all that without God Ki or without training half as much as Goku and Vegeta, imagine if he did, Gohan would have been INSANE
I never said Hercule sucks as a character. Lol. The awesome stuff Hercule did was because of his character not fighting as a Z Warrior. Read what I said again . And again. And again.
give him 10 years training and he would curb stomp frieza too 😂.
Hell man I still don't know what beast form exactly is 😂
What the hell happened: Seven years alone with his mother
Ultimate Gohan, the time Toriyama gave Gohan fans(tm) what they wanted and gohan fans(tm) hated it not realizing the irony
all those fans want is gohan to revert back to the angry guy who fights without a brain and puts others in danger due to his hubris because god forbid him enjoy life
So strong, yet such a disappointment to fans that know that gohan has great potential to surpass any one of the Dragon Ball Z characters yet it's the writers that seem to be his biggest enemy not giving this guy the chance to become his own star and instead become a balance scale of going up and down in terms of his power.
Hell they even gave Gohan black, an original character meant for the sparkling zero what if storyline for Gohan, a better character story than Goku black
Gohan doesn't have more potential than Broly or Frieza. He has the best potential out of the Z warriors tho
Gohan was never really a proactive character. The only times he trained or fight was for the Need to survive he never actually wanted to have a goal that he strive for like Goku or Vegeta. He also never really had much of a personality.
Take absorptions and fusions away and ultimate gohan bodies everyone in Z
People complaining about Gohan but dont mention how Friezas writing is worse
Gohan scrapped with kefla and the anime didn’t adapt that? I feel like some one stole something from me. lol
You called it!
Gotenks has the potential to become the strongest fighter in the series, especially if Goten and Trunks attained SS2 or even SS3
Krillin and Hercule are some of the strongest humans in the world and they’re punches and kicks couldn’t even phase Cell
Some random human was able to punch Gohan off his feet 😂
Buu saga was just rushed sadly, developed him just for him to make the same mistakes. Think Gohan redeemed himself in Dragonball Super Hero since he has been training and ready to fight new threats with his new form. Hopefully Toyotaro can this Gohan from regressing
So does the near death rise power levels or is that not Canon anymore
It varies, but as far as the manga officially confirmed with Super, Goku and Vegeta don't receive Zenkai boosts, though some how Goku Black is able to.
I personally subscribe to the idea that Zenakai are a failsafe in a Saiyan's genetics that brings a Saiyan's power closer and closer to the Super Saiyan threshold, once it's achieved Zenkai begins to yield diminishing returns (Around when Super Saiyan popped up for characters there really was no talk of characters or atleast the good guys becoming stronger from nearly dying.)
So basically Cell and Goku black are the only one's post Namek who were known to still get Zenakai's. One's a genetic abomination, and another hijacked a Saiyan's body, both are outliers.
Though from Super onwards, Zenkai has sort of been replaced from a post-battle healing power up, to some sort of adapting battle sense where the Saiyan adapts and rises in power mid-battle. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Broly as showcased that. Though to be honest that isn't entirely Saiyan exclusive as other 'prodigy' characters also adapt in battle like Hit.
If i recall from manga Vegeta says something along the lines of him and Goku being so well trained and boosted that Zenkai doesnt work anymore on them. Black wasnt as trained so he was able to get those.
@@StartTheJoust Yeah, though I think it was Trunks that explained it, but yeah.
wait....Gohan STILL thought he WAS the Stronged even after TRAINING for 7 YEARs....WOW He IS Cocky and even Lazier than i AM even I KNOW i need to train to stay RAZOR SHARP
Ultimate Gohan was the biggest ass pull till beast form came.
Nah lets not forget ssj rage trunks thats ass pull
He fumbled so hard man
No way bro said Buu saga Gohan is worse than RoF Gohan, at least in the Buu saga Gohan was actually strong but he was arrogant so he fumbled
It's actually not. The beast form fully fits gohans character. He's always had the very same power , his case is just much different from any other so conventional means do nothing for Gohan towards unlocking his true potential. And if you would actually watch daima +when the new season of super comes out next year you will learn that the beast from essentially draws out the full potential of all of gohans ancestry. Saiyan, human, and demon
12:32 - Being honest I"m not sure. We know Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Buu Piccolo absorbed as Goku was confident that his son could take him down even without his aid. I'd like to say Gohan would win and logically he should but Buu does have Piccolo's Battle IQ and unless Gohan approaches the fight seriously but cautiously but as you said I'm not sure if I have full confidence in him considering his issues with arrogance.
just realized something both goku and naruto's first born are getting a lot of hate compared to their fathers but at least boruto is actually living up to his prodigy hype right now, gohan was doing that but he just keeps coming and going. Well hopefully naruto's daughter doesn't end up like goku's second son
Ultimate was not an ass pull. It was what vegeta and nappa said on the way to earth. It's what gohan put on display throughout z.
The problem with gohan is gohan. Even in the cell saga it took goku to back gohan to finish cell. Gohan shouldve had his own emotional moment after all thise deaths and that shouldve changed gohan forever. He seen his dad Sagrada his life for everyone. No one after that day should have to get beat to extinction in order for gohan to do something. Like piccolo did agaisnt cell max. It's like he's not maturing. And because of stuff like this goten and trunks don't get no real play. The lack of actual stakes.
Doofus Super Buu?
Not only is Super Buu extremely powerful, but he outplayed everyone (though mostly because even before he absorbed Piccolo he tended to act much stupider than he actually was) and it wasn't just a basic case of Super Buu outsmarting them or getting lucky, he covertly came up several plans to become the strongest in the universe and with every plan he came up with, he thought of several back-up plans as well.
He also manipulated many of the heroes into making himself seem like less of a threat and when the opportunity presented itself from the heroes being arrogant, he would not only take advantage of it but also made sure that there were some contingency plans if things were to go against him. And it worked like a charm because he technically never loses a battle. And any battle that it seems like he is losing, he's losing on purpose because it's all a part of his plan. It took the Story-Breaker Power of Vegito just to slow him down.
Also, while it's not really elaborated upon, he was able to accurately calculate the entire planet's population just by walking around the Lookout for a minute and then mentally sort through billions of unique ki signatures in order to only kill who he wanted to. It's later revealed that in this form Buu has two gods absorbed, who presumably add a ton of mystical and universal knowledge (though Super Buu never uses it).
Megumi from jjk is way worse than gohan with the potential nonsense tbh
I feel like he may have actually even dethroned gohan as anime's worse potential man 😂
He literally was supposed to be better than Goku….what the hell happened frfr
He was went the become the new main dude but then then someone high up demanded to stick to the goku vegeta whos the stronger one/goku saving the day with a plot thing
I think Eustass "Captain" Kid needs to be looked at. He can’t compare to Gohan in the cheeks pull big still an overall let down to me.
Bro lmao 6:14
I never thought I'd say those words 🤣
The picture was hilarious 😂
Growhan
Snowhan
@@SaiyanScholarwhere did you go han
The goku and vegeta battle prowess thing seemed to be mostly in the top" atleast that's when it was on crack.
I'm also not jacking goten would be able to beat saiyanman arc gohan
Ultimate gohan managed to be the strongest unfused character in Z, and still choked.
Best version of gohan is Gohan black
LOL! The title alone made me click bruh.