"Hot Garbage" is the ANTI-MEP....great strokes and absolutely horrid inconsistency. In fact, I've never seen anybody with such nicely grooved strokes play so erratically. Beautiful serves consistently into the net, swinging wildly for big winners, etc etc. He's the perfect victim for MEP.
I think you arent giving mep enough credit. He beats enough people with great strokes. I think its time to stop hating on the opponents and realize that its very difficult to deal with mep specific cocktail mixture game.
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 you are right. But it is contradictory saying great strokes when the player cannot technically produce consistency. How about saying “traditional” that sounds better😉 I am a 4.5 with traditional strokes and I would never call my strokes great
I give MEP more than enough credit on reading his opponents' strengths and weaknesses and his cardio fitness. It's just that MEP's opponents nearly always beat themselves through unforced errors, not as a result of MEP's winners. If MEP is gonna float serves, returns, moon balls and folks can't do anything with them, that's on them.
@@TennisTrollChannel The true key is not just consistency but really knowing how to set up and construct points to take advantage of your opponent's weakness.
@@knotwilg3596 I've seen some older 4.0s and 4.5s that construct points beautifully. They may not have the power or athleticism to get to 5.0 but they can REALLY play some tennis.
Forehand is big but rather too inconsistent. He moves the wrist a lot in the contact zone and footwork needs a bit of work. If he works on his game, he's going to be a devastating player
If wanting to know how we came up with the nickname Hot Garbage, search for Hot Garbage Tennis Troll on RUclips. Please keep in mind HG is the one of the nicest person I have ever met, but his funny comment led to his nickname : ]
I agree! I think his parents have a non profit organization in the Caribbean that donates sporting equipment to less fortunate kids. He’s a very giving person. I love your channel. New subscriber
@@TennisTrollChannel hey tennistroll. How do you edit your vids? What apps/programs do you use? I just started a channel and manual trimming and adding scores in subtitles is just painful lol. I'm considering building an app that creates automatic highlights, like the one used by wimbledon auto highlights, but accessible by normal people lol
@@hanbrianlee if you build an app please let me know. I do what you do with imovie. There is also an app called SwingVision that automatically trims the matches and I think add score. I haven’t used it yet as I need to do more editing.
I know we give a hard time to players on this channel, but credit to both players for putting themselves on camera, great effort on both players, Hot Garbage is a very good player and athletic, please work on your game and never give up the dream to get to next level. Ben you too bro, dont stop trying to improve, but most important is to continue having fun. I love this game like everybody here, and it is really fun to watch this matches and comment from the comfort of our home LOL. Keep it up.
I was thinking the same thing watching this. I would have a love/hate relationship with playing a guy like HG. I would know he would donate enough points to me, but at the same time, if he goes on a run for a few games, it can be frustrating.
@@Seronns I agree- players who tend to be streaky are tough to strategize. Do you play keep it in or do you take risks knowing the opponent will be hot/cold randomly.
Im in the exact same boat. I have a big serve and forehand, and flashy one handed backhand. I’d look awesome going down in flames to MEP. Ben, “Nice! Can you hit 5 of those in a row?” Me, “nope! Good talk.”
Great Match!!!!! It's great how MEP analyses the opponent in the middle of the match. I make the mistake of concentrating on my strokes in the middle of the match and I don't pay attention to what is the opponent mistakes. I think that's a huge advantage that MEP has.
Finally a player I can relate to! I have some good looking strokes and power, combined with horrificly bad consistency. I think I'd do about as well or worse against MEP.
MEP out here giving lessons and dropping dimes - thanks for sharing TT and Ben! Also this match reinforces the need to practice volleys against more than just topspin shots - everyone struggles volleying against slice or lower pace balls and I suspect it's because most volley practice is against a traditional baseliner so no practice creating own pace out of the air
I feel his pain. When the ball is never coming back at you with the same height, spin, or speed, it is hard to find a proper rhythm and timing on your strokes. He probably does a lot better against another hard hitter. He always looked out of position, but that's a function of MEP putting him there and him never adjusting, not because he doesn't know what needs to be done.
If hot garbage could get some consistency and realize he doesn't need to go huge on every forehand, he will do great!, Great strategy from MEP, not only does he hit well, but analyzes his opponent well.
His mind remembers being a D1 player, but his body has forgotten. I'm guessing he hasn't played too much lately (med school doesn't exactly give tons of free time) and needs more time on the courts to get his game and fitness level to where they "should" be.
I played a guy like MEP a month or so ago. He had really unconventional strokes and serves. It was so hard to predict his shots and he made me run all over the place. But his accuracy and consistency were really good. It was also a hot day and I was fatigued from a match the night before. But he beat me fair and square. Ug…
What makes mep really good I think is his dropshots they are amazing , not to mention his lobs and ofc his mentality. Very inspiring this guy is a living tennis theory
No offense to HG but he is a textbook example of the kind of player MEP will always destroy: 1. Zero backhand 2. Big forehand but extremely inconsistent 3. Uncomfortable at the net 4. Reasonably powerful but highly erratic serve 5. Suspect fitness
What you describe sounds to me like a 4.0 or even a 3.5 level player. Obvious HG has the shots and this was likely just a bad matchup for him plus conditions.
@@joniozq Respectfully, I disagree and I stand behind my prior comment/analysis. HG had no ability to hurt MEP with his backhand, which he mainly sliced. He was clearly uncomfortable at the net, which MEP exploited constantly throughout the match with his dropshot. And, unfortunately, because HG wasn't well conditioned, his already somewhat "hot and cold" style of play, revolving mainly around trying to serve big and use his speed/athleticism to run around his backhand and dictate with his forehand, turned into an avalanche of unforced errors. I would categorize HG's level as 4.0+.
I played dinker like MEP before. You have to receive serve close to the service line because he doesn't have pace, only under spin. If you're too far back receiving, you're forced to run to the net and hit up on his serve . The same goes with every other shot. You need to be inside the baseline, take his shot as soon as it bounces, hitting back deep. You need to rattle him as much, if not more, than he frustrates you.
@@MEPTennis Well there could also be an overhead winner. The point is to make the opponent uncomfortable. A lot of people playing you don't do that. Perhaps they're afraid to lose. That's the amateur mentality. The pros don't mind losing while they're working on their game. A young player doesn't expect to win a whole lot on the tour when he first debut
@@MEPTennis Well I saw a video where the Captain played exactly the game I described and MEP had no chance. And the Captain was not even trying, tanking the second set.
This is the most relatable one in the channel that hot garbage guy was *literally me against mep style guys* . Warrior in practice and error prone in matches…
Agree with previous commenter “Anti-MEP” for sure. If I was his coach some pointers I would give him. 1) Watching your opponent is as important as watching the ball. Better than average foot speed but below average anticipation and reaction to what are really undisguised drop shots. 2) develop a ground stroke speed that can be maintained and kept in play. Every shot doesn’t have to be a home run. 3) Get rid of this large gap between your two hands when hitting a two handed backhand. It wouldn’t be a big problem if you were trying to hit a crafty control type backhand a la Fabrice Santoro. But your trying to hit a free swinging backhand. This gap between your hands hinders a truly free swing. 4) On the serve your left arm should drive down and help the racket shoulder come up and around. Like a see saw. Yours stays up way to long and never drives down. Watch vids of any pro serving and you’ll see what im talking about. Their toss arm is the first thing to move. It will drive down as fast as the racket arm moves up. You get really good racket head speed in spite of being severely handcuffed. Your serve could be scary if you work on removing this handcuff and unleash your potential racket head speed. 5) remember in tennis style over substance rarely succeeds for long. Being able to hit percentage shots is more important than trying to hit impressive ones. 6) Slice backhands and volleys are like layups in basketball. Your expected to make them most of the time especially when not pressured. A lot of errors on these shots are unacceptable. 7) Potential to play at the 5.0 or higher level is there, easily. But without changes in technique and especially the mental approach to tennis you’ll top out at being a average 4.5.
Here is my two cents, HG does not watch the ball, he is often looking elsewhere or at MEP. Djokovic is the master, he never, ever moves his head until the ball is struck
You need plan A, B and C to play MEP effectively and then you need to execute your plan. This is easier said than done! MEP rarely beats himself. You have to earn your points.
I don't know how a former D1 player can lose all technique, even after not playing for a few years? Unless he was legit 100% cold turkey for like 5+ years, it doesn't add up that he went from 5.5 level to 4.0 level..
Excruciating to watch. Excruciating. As soon as you start trading dink shots you're finished. The pusher just slices and dices you to death. And they always have great approach shots to the backhand corner. Always. Every single time.
Mep is so fucking smart just in the third game you can see how he exploits a very talented player with his slice I bet he will use it to make him lose rythme and make Ue
HG's sweet spots are high balls as he can come over them with his topspin forehand. But anything sliced stays low and he had a lot of trouble coming over those.
That was a weird match. HG won 1st 2 games easily but then completely lost his game after that. Almost every point he lost was an early unforced error. I was hoping he’d start to drop shot to MEP’s BH instead his FH every time. I know you can’t always, but you’ll win a much higher % of points when you approach to your opps’ BH usually.
Hot Garbage has potential but a few things I noticed 1) Backhand: is a gaping hole in his game that needs better preparation/forward weight transfer. He gifted MEP dozens of slow/short slices often in the center of the court (especially as serve returns) that constantly gave MEP the upper hand even though MEP's serve is slow and relatively easy to attack or at least neutralize. Absolutely imperative to put those slices and backhands deeper in the court and I would not try to go for as many drop shots or winners with the backhand as it was backfiring 2) Serve toss: flicking the wrist during the toss had him chasing the ball and probably caused a lot of double faults. A toss overhaul would probably be worth it long term and in match he should redo the bad tosses and not try to hit such a big second serve.
Towards the end of the 2nd set, I was watching TT up above the garage more than the match! MEP had this under control within the first 3 sets of the 1st game. Great job, MEP!!!
Moral of the story: you may have the biggest shots but if they don’t cross the net, and stay within the court then it doesn’t work out. Poor consistency with big weapons don’t lead anyone anywhere
I think YHG's gameplan falls short at 9:24. He's trying to score with that forehand, but he really should just be using that forehand to set up a volley. That's where a lot of the errors come from. I don't think I'd beat MEP, but I know that for a guy like me who isn't exactly the world's most consistent baseliner, I'd have to approach the net with every opportunity I get even if I miss 4 volleys in a row.
Ever notice how MEP takes a short ball and just punches it with his slice forehand, usually just to the right of center of the middle of the court....and it rarely comes back, and when it does, it's usually an easy putaway. This is such an easy shot to hit. I do the same thing. I see so many lesson players wind up and try to hit a topspin approach off the same kind of ball, and it's rarely as effective...why not learn how to hit the forehand slice approach? Especially on low balls.
hot garbage had some great strokes but if you look at double faults and errors in the groundstrokes, its hard to beat a consistent player. if someone would track the match, the stats would show the eventual winner.
First things first shake off That negative name. "Yhg" Switch it to "Gfb" Going for broke" u have the tools bro keep working great video keep up the good work
Honestly, this was pretty clear. HG just doesn't know how to counter a low slice. His slice is much weaker than Ben's (poor placement and floats), while his low groundstrokes kept landing in the net. Ben is also really tough. He sniff's out a weakness and he's immediately on it.
The experience that HG needs is to be able to hit the ball in the court consistently an not give his opponents free points. I am a high school tennis coach and my players that hit it in consistently tend to win a high percentage of the regular 18 matches they play each season. They are the true monsters on the court. Nobody wants to play a lean mean human ground stroke machine who can run all day and still hit in the court.
@@thomasmedeiros5722 Correct. HG has great strokes but doesn't really know how to set up points and really play percentage tennis. When I first started I hit the ball great, but I lost a lot to more experienced players. Took me a long time to really develop the feel for setting up points. Playing the score. Finding an opponent's weakness, hiding my weakness. It really is a thinking man's sport if you do it right.
i just wanted to understand why hot garbage is staying like nadal or medvedev to receive a 10mph serve, running forward every return and still getting the ball to damn low.. i justed wanted to understand, lol.. step into the court man, pleeeeeeease.. he just made the game way harder doing this
Well... You want to play your style of match or you want to get sucked into your opponents game and lose? I'd rather lose playing my game. You need to have plan A, plan B and plan C. "Hot garbage" had great first few games and got sucked into MEP's style and got eaten alive... That is what I observed here. Throughout my junior and even D1 career, I faced similar to MEP style players at least few times a season. You have to overcome the non pace balls but boost up your confidence even though you lost few points. Once you lose your confidence and play your opponent's game, then you are on your way to lose...
If I played MEP, one thing I would try to do is move in on his bloopers and pick them out of the air on a fly. When he hits those high, deep, nothing balls, just step in and bloop them back up in the air deep to his side. If you don't, you have to move your body with quick steps all over the place, retreat, and not know exactly how his ball will bounce. It can wear you out. If he bloops one that is a little short, go in and hit a swinging volley....these take just a little practice. The key is to aim high above the net and swing hard with a high follow-through. you can angle it off or hit it straight ahead...either one is effective.
"You're Hot Garbage" is the definition of low intensity, poor footwork, no commitment and weak mentality. Bear in mind, because MEP will punish you if you are not mentally prepared to be in long rallies. To be a good player you need to overcome these players even having good strokes because players like MEP have the most effective strategies as they understand the game better then other. Players like MEP have my utmost respect because they are the ones that set the benchmark between an advanced recreational player and a good recreational player.
Is Hot Garbage real name Mike? He looks familiar. Was a very good player at 4.5/5.0 level in South Florida circuit a long time ago (2014/2015 I believe). Looks like his tennis has completely lost its way, sad to watch. Opponent despite having strange fundamentals was too consistent. Hope Mike can find his tennis again but I think he’s a doctor now or nearing that. Good luck to both! Great channel btw!
4.5 vs 3.5 "Looking at my watch, around 10:00 is when we take the garbage out". Sick!😆 Garbage Man obviously has taken lessons and been in some type of program because his serve and stroke mechanics are very sound. Although he ran down some really good balls and got to the net consistently, he telds to stand straight up and doesn't move after he's hits a stroke. He also does not track or watch the ball most of the time while he is stroking, which accounts for all of the unforced errors. He should develop a top spin second serve to to cut down on all of the double faults too. All of these things add up to a 3.0 - 3.5 player. A good coach and the desire to become better could bring his level up.. He appear to be still very young.
@@ddwarren26 lol. search for hot garbage tennis troll on RUclips. It’ll take you the thumbnail with the comment (the link takes you to video but I don’t think it’s in the video). I will say- HG is the nicest guy.
HG is 3.5 right? I also have a friend who plays just like him. Some days he plays like 4.5 or even 5.0 but usually lose to 3.5+ players due to inconsistency..
@@forgerator yeah i agree. Considering consistency, could be 3.5~4.0. But i think perhaps in his prime where he can go on without getting tired, he could be 4.5 easily. I know what HG meant about the heat. When it gets hot above 90F (i am suceptible to heat above certain level, where I start panting hard after like 2 games lol!) I lose badly to 4.0 players too whom i usually beat 6-2 on average 99% of the time. Under 90F i normally play 4 sets without stamina issues. It's almost as if I have a thermostat that triggers my muscles to shut down
@@hanbrianlee It happens to a lot of people. The best thing you can do is acclimate yourself by exercising in hot weather (being cautious, of course). Also, depending on the region, humidity + heat is absolutely brutal on your stamina.
I think hot garbage could have won if he had looked for a good rhythm to settle into, stay in the point in the earlier sets to get the strokes dialled in. But MEP is MEP for a reason, so consistent. Hail King MEP 👑
Ben reminds me of a Tim Wakefield who was a knuckle ball pitcher back in the day he had 0 speed but no one could hit that knuckle ball . Ben is the same way . Absolutely no pace absolute junk it’s hard to return a ball when there is no pace so you have to compensate and make up the speed off of your racket and that’s when the errors come into play . By that same token you don’t want to get trapped into their style of play because then you are done . Power doesn’t work against the guys angles is huge against players like this.
Hot Garbage needs to move his ready position at least a yard inside the baseline, and to not approach much beyond the service line... His beautiful game is getting the MEP treatment.
HoT garbage is me 2 summers back, inconsistent serve, weak backhand, and not enough endurance to play in the blistering heat. I'm still working on getting my fh before the injury but it's really fun to watch a player where I can relate
On his groundstrokes, in his effort to not overhit, HG is not bending his legs as much as he normally does when he hits his hard topspin drive, and hard backhand. I think if he got low and looped the ball a little higher, he could avoid some of the massive "under-hitting," or holding back from hitting normal strokes, that's required if you try to rally with MEP. Gotta bend the knees MORE, I think, to be ready to dance around the "nothing ball" from MEP that will require subtle adjustments before the hit (due to similarity to a knuckleball).
Consistency will beat power, more times than not. Boy did it in this match, big time. Never thought it would be this lopsided though. Thanks for the upload.
I just can't.... listening to two guys talking seriously about someone with the nickname Hot Garbage xD. Interviewer: You have got a tough match with Hot Garbage. What are your thoughts and strategies going into the match? MEP: Well i haven't seen to terribly much of Hot Garbage....
Lol. What MEP says on how he strategies to play an opponent he in unfamiliar with his useful info for all for all of us even if it’s against a player with a fun nickname : ]
I love the white shirt players strokes but unfortunately way too many errors ...it seems like it was very hot that day , this is what tennis is al about , you need to put the ball in the court one more than your opponent , the style does not matter in amateur tennis , which is for 99% of us .........................we have the tendency to forget it and we do over complicate the way we play
About 6 minutes into the match you can see that HG is not going to have the consistency it takes to hang in the match with MEP. You just can’t afford to make ground stroke errors like that against a super consistent opponent. I think the final score reflects this early analysis and final outcome. In the meantime MEP is just getting stronger in his placement and change of spin. I do believe he has also improved his game in the forecourt when he is drawn forward.
This is a great learning opportunity for HG, especially to have it all captured on video. It's nice to have feedback, even if most of it is critical. I am sure HG will bounce back and become a very good player in the coming years. I agree with everyone's criticisms. One area he could develop further is anticipation. MEP is a very consistent player, but not a quick one. It is not difficult to read when he is about to do a drop shot. HG reacted too late to MEP's drop shots. Also, for HG's own drop shots to work, he will need to either have a better disguise or make that stroke quicker. It is too easy to read, even more so than MEP's. I hope HG takes away many positives from this. It is certainly not easy to play with the weather and with the camera on.
"Hot Garbage" is the ANTI-MEP....great strokes and absolutely horrid inconsistency. In fact, I've never seen anybody with such nicely grooved strokes play so erratically. Beautiful serves consistently into the net, swinging wildly for big winners, etc etc. He's the perfect victim for MEP.
Disagree his strokes are not great- he needs more work for sure
Agree mep will take him to the woodshed 10/10 times
I think you arent giving mep enough credit. He beats enough people with great strokes. I think its time to stop hating on the opponents and realize that its very difficult to deal with mep specific cocktail mixture game.
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 you are right. But it is contradictory saying great strokes when the player cannot technically produce consistency. How about saying “traditional” that sounds better😉 I am a 4.5 with traditional strokes and I would never call my strokes great
I give MEP more than enough credit on reading his opponents' strengths and weaknesses and his cardio fitness. It's just that MEP's opponents nearly always beat themselves through unforced errors, not as a result of MEP's winners. If MEP is gonna float serves, returns, moon balls and folks can't do anything with them, that's on them.
I think the first thing I learned playing competitive singles is consistency beats flashy strokes. It's a hard lesson but one MEP teaches well.
Agree - consistency is the best weapon to have in my opinion.
@@TennisTrollChannel The true key is not just consistency but really knowing how to set up and construct points to take advantage of your opponent's weakness.
@@ashleywalls4097 At 5.0 it is
@@knotwilg3596 I've seen some older 4.0s and 4.5s that construct points beautifully. They may not have the power or athleticism to get to 5.0 but they can REALLY play some tennis.
@@knotwilg3596 Agreed. It is interesting to see that every level has it's own realities that can be senseless at a higher level.
Ben figured him out REALLY fast. He had a big forehand and as soon as he neutralized that - it was over. 12 games in a row. Well played Ben!
Forehand is big but rather too inconsistent. He moves the wrist a lot in the contact zone and footwork needs a bit of work. If he works on his game, he's going to be a devastating player
If wanting to know how we came up with the nickname Hot Garbage, search for Hot Garbage Tennis Troll on RUclips. Please keep in mind HG is the one of the nicest person I have ever met, but his funny comment led to his nickname : ]
LMAO! Oh man, talk about a helping of humble pie
I agree! I think his parents have a non profit organization in the Caribbean that donates sporting equipment to less fortunate kids. He’s a very giving person. I love your channel. New subscriber
@@masterwill6493 didn’t know about the nonprofit. I’ll inquire as the profit from TennisTroll goes to tennis charities. Thanks for the info.
@@TennisTrollChannel hey tennistroll. How do you edit your vids? What apps/programs do you use? I just started a channel and manual trimming and adding scores in subtitles is just painful lol. I'm considering building an app that creates automatic highlights, like the one used by wimbledon auto highlights, but accessible by normal people lol
@@hanbrianlee if you build an app please let me know. I do what you do with imovie. There is also an app called SwingVision that automatically trims the matches and I think add score. I haven’t used it yet as I need to do more editing.
Ben had a terrible serving day. He had a double fault today. First since 2015. :)
I mean it really is hot out there, can’t blame him
I know we give a hard time to players on this channel, but credit to both players for putting themselves on camera, great effort on both players, Hot Garbage is a very good player and athletic, please work on your game and never give up the dream to get to next level. Ben you too bro, dont stop trying to improve, but most important is to continue having fun. I love this game like everybody here, and it is really fun to watch this matches and comment from the comfort of our home LOL. Keep it up.
MEP: He’s tough to play because he’s honestly pretty inconsistent. 🤣
I think MEP was referring to not being able to obtain rhythm.
MEP needs rhythm? I thought he can play with or without it. 😃
@@JamesTenis good point : ]
I was thinking the same thing watching this. I would have a love/hate relationship with playing a guy like HG. I would know he would donate enough points to me, but at the same time, if he goes on a run for a few games, it can be frustrating.
@@Seronns I agree- players who tend to be streaky are tough to strategize. Do you play keep it in or do you take risks knowing the opponent will be hot/cold randomly.
MEP says it's time to take out the Garbage and he was spot on winning two sets without much effort.
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I love that Ben talks to the camera between changes.
No matter how many times I see it, I get PTSD everytime I watch MEP make his opponents self destruct.
This feels like how I'd play against MEP. Great start, loss of consistency, lose with a bunch of errors.
Im in the exact same boat. I have a big serve and forehand, and flashy one handed backhand. I’d look awesome going down in flames to MEP. Ben, “Nice! Can you hit 5 of those in a row?” Me, “nope! Good talk.”
@@joeabib My favourite move is to take on a "dolly" second serve and drive it into the net. I have it perfected.
My top 3 of favourite players of all time in reverse order
3. Nadal
2. Federer
1. MEP
Djokovic much better
Great Match!!!!! It's great how MEP analyses the opponent in the middle of the match. I make the mistake of concentrating on my strokes in the middle of the match and I don't pay attention to what is the opponent mistakes. I think that's a huge advantage that MEP has.
Just discovered your channel. Love it! Real tennis for ordinary people. Learned so much from watching these points being played out.
Finally a player I can relate to! I have some good looking strokes and power, combined with horrificly bad consistency. I think I'd do about as well or worse against MEP.
MEP out here giving lessons and dropping dimes - thanks for sharing TT and Ben! Also this match reinforces the need to practice volleys against more than just topspin shots - everyone struggles volleying against slice or lower pace balls and I suspect it's because most volley practice is against a traditional baseliner so no practice creating own pace out of the air
All the Wisconsin boys watching this just turned off their cell phones. No ATL trip in the summertime by the Essential Tennis Crew.
Funny : ]
I feel his pain. When the ball is never coming back at you with the same height, spin, or speed, it is hard to find a proper rhythm and timing on your strokes. He probably does a lot better against another hard hitter. He always looked out of position, but that's a function of MEP putting him there and him never adjusting, not because he doesn't know what needs to be done.
Great job MEP, using his style to perfection, gave a clinic on how to take out the "trash". Still, graceful players and a good match as always!
If hot garbage could get some consistency and realize he doesn't need to go huge on every forehand, he will do great!, Great strategy from MEP, not only does he hit well, but analyzes his opponent well.
His mind remembers being a D1 player, but his body has forgotten. I'm guessing he hasn't played too much lately (med school doesn't exactly give tons of free time) and needs more time on the courts to get his game and fitness level to where they "should" be.
MEP analyzes his. opponent EXCEEDINGLY well.
Is hot garbage normally a serve and volley guy?
I played a guy like MEP a month or so ago. He had really unconventional strokes and serves. It was so hard to predict his shots and he made me run all over the place. But his accuracy and consistency were really good. It was also a hot day and I was fatigued from a match the night before. But he beat me fair and square. Ug…
What makes mep really good I think is his dropshots they are amazing , not to mention his lobs and ofc his mentality. Very inspiring this guy is a living tennis theory
No offense to HG but he is a textbook example of the kind of player MEP will always destroy:
1. Zero backhand
2. Big forehand but extremely inconsistent
3. Uncomfortable at the net
4. Reasonably powerful but highly erratic serve
5. Suspect fitness
What you describe sounds to me like a 4.0 or even a 3.5 level player. Obvious HG has the shots and this was likely just a bad matchup for him plus conditions.
I think HG is not tired, he is mentally weak and MEP destroy his soul
No fitness, no wins. If I had the most amazing game but too tired to run a ball down, I won't win.
@@joniozq Respectfully, I disagree and I stand behind my prior comment/analysis. HG had no ability to hurt MEP with his backhand, which he mainly sliced. He was clearly uncomfortable at the net, which MEP exploited constantly throughout the match with his dropshot. And, unfortunately, because HG wasn't well conditioned, his already somewhat "hot and cold" style of play, revolving mainly around trying to serve big and use his speed/athleticism to run around his backhand and dictate with his forehand, turned into an avalanche of unforced errors.
I would categorize HG's level as 4.0+.
I played dinker like MEP before. You have to receive serve close to the service line because he doesn't have pace, only under spin. If you're too far back receiving, you're forced to run to the net and hit up on his serve . The same goes with every other shot. You need to be inside the baseline, take his shot as soon as it bounces, hitting back deep. You need to rattle him as much, if not more, than he frustrates you.
Everyone has a plan until my first off hand fadeaway lob winner 😉
@@MEPTennis Well there could also be an overhead winner. The point is to make the opponent uncomfortable. A lot of people playing you don't do that. Perhaps they're afraid to lose. That's the amateur mentality. The pros don't mind losing while they're working on their game. A young player doesn't expect to win a whole lot on the tour when he first debut
@@MEPTennis Well I saw a video where the Captain played exactly the game I described and MEP had no chance. And the Captain was not even trying, tanking the second set.
HEADLINE: MEP takes out the garbagge.
This is the most relatable one in the channel that hot garbage guy was *literally me against mep style guys* . Warrior in practice and error prone in matches…
Agree with previous commenter “Anti-MEP” for sure. If I was his coach some pointers I would give him. 1) Watching your opponent is as important as watching the ball. Better than average foot speed but below average anticipation and reaction to what are really undisguised drop shots. 2) develop a ground stroke speed that can be maintained and kept in play. Every shot doesn’t have to be a home run. 3) Get rid of this large gap between your two hands when hitting a two handed backhand. It wouldn’t be a big problem if you were trying to hit a crafty control type backhand a la Fabrice Santoro. But your trying to hit a free swinging backhand. This gap between your hands hinders a truly free swing. 4) On the serve your left arm should drive down and help the racket shoulder come up and around. Like a see saw. Yours stays up way to long and never drives down. Watch vids of any pro serving and you’ll see what im talking about. Their toss arm is the first thing to move. It will drive down as fast as the racket arm moves up. You get really good racket head speed in spite of being severely handcuffed. Your serve could be scary if you work on removing this handcuff and unleash your potential racket head speed. 5) remember in tennis style over substance rarely succeeds for long. Being able to hit percentage shots is more important than trying to hit impressive ones. 6) Slice backhands and volleys are like layups in basketball. Your expected to make them most of the time especially when not pressured. A lot of errors on these shots are unacceptable. 7) Potential to play at the 5.0 or higher level is there, easily. But without changes in technique and especially the mental approach to tennis you’ll top out at being a average 4.5.
Thank you for the excellent suggestions as these are suggestions we all can use.
The experienced recreational slice lover vs the rusty D1 player
lol you guys come up with the most entertaining names!!
Here is my two cents, HG does not watch the ball, he is often looking elsewhere or at MEP. Djokovic is the master, he never, ever moves his head until the ball is struck
Yes he should work on his watching the ball skills. Really hurts him!
I love the nicknames, are the BEST!
When will Ben get promoted to 5.0?:D
You need plan A, B and C to play MEP effectively and then you need to execute your plan. This is easier said than done! MEP rarely beats himself. You have to earn your points.
I don't know how a former D1 player can lose all technique, even after not playing for a few years? Unless he was legit 100% cold turkey for like 5+ years, it doesn't add up that he went from 5.5 level to 4.0 level..
A former D1 player? That's very hard to believe. With respect he is nowhere near 5.5.
Excruciating to watch. Excruciating. As soon as you start trading dink shots you're finished. The pusher just slices and dices you to death. And they always have great approach shots to the backhand corner. Always. Every single time.
Mep is so fucking smart just in the third game you can see how he exploits a very talented player with his slice I bet he will use it to make him lose rythme and make Ue
HG's sweet spots are high balls as he can come over them with his topspin forehand. But anything sliced stays low and he had a lot of trouble coming over those.
Cheers to MEP! If you ever come to Madrid let’s arrange a match!! I would love to play, and probably lose, against you! 😂😂😂
Bitsy Grant’s courts are so nice. I love playing there.
Backing up the unforced error truck on MEP's lot is a construction disaster.
just died inside watching
Great to see Ben again!
And another victim falls
That was a weird match. HG won 1st 2 games easily but then completely lost his game after that. Almost every point he lost was an early unforced error. I was hoping he’d start to drop shot to MEP’s BH instead his FH every time. I know you can’t always, but you’ll win a much higher % of points when you approach to your opps’ BH usually.
Hot Garbage knows how to win. Most players can't handle his style.
Oh my, that really was Hot Garbage!
Hot Garbage has potential but a few things I noticed 1) Backhand: is a gaping hole in his game that needs better preparation/forward weight transfer. He gifted MEP dozens of slow/short slices often in the center of the court (especially as serve returns) that constantly gave MEP the upper hand even though MEP's serve is slow and relatively easy to attack or at least neutralize. Absolutely imperative to put those slices and backhands deeper in the court and I would not try to go for as many drop shots or winners with the backhand as it was backfiring 2) Serve toss: flicking the wrist during the toss had him chasing the ball and probably caused a lot of double faults. A toss overhaul would probably be worth it long term and in match he should redo the bad tosses and not try to hit such a big second serve.
Towards the end of the 2nd set, I was watching TT up above the garage more than the match! MEP had this under control within the first 3 sets of the 1st game. Great job, MEP!!!
The 1st 3 sets of the 1st game are always crucial
I would lose even worst (2-6 0-6) because I am not used to deal with the trajectory and pace of that slice shots.
Moral of the story: you may have the biggest shots but if they don’t cross the net, and stay within the court then it doesn’t work out. Poor consistency with big weapons don’t lead anyone anywhere
Ben, if you ever come to Philly, let me know! I would love to challenge you! Love watching you guys trolling.
You in Philly? Maelstrom goes there often to play at Ambler during tourneys, if you know Maelstrom on the channel that is.
Hot Garbage got caught in the myriad guiles of the wily MEP!
Garbage won the 1st 2 games, then lost the next 12 in a row!
hot garbage hits great shots when he's comfortable, but he suffers in unfamiliar positions and shots
I’ve always wondering about MEP’s sports background, his fitness it’s underrated
Hit with him today for 3 hours. I'm spent. When leaving, he said he's grabbing lunch and going to find another person to practice with : ]
@@TennisTrollChannel and all the matches he played in Milwaukee
What sports have he did before beginning practicing tennis often
Which sports does he did before practicing tennis often
I think it's more of that he just positions himself so well, and he doesn't need to exert as much energy as the opponent.
@@alvaromena7548 basketball I believe. He was in the Marines prior.
I think YHG's gameplan falls short at 9:24. He's trying to score with that forehand, but he really should just be using that forehand to set up a volley. That's where a lot of the errors come from. I don't think I'd beat MEP, but I know that for a guy like me who isn't exactly the world's most consistent baseliner, I'd have to approach the net with every opportunity I get even if I miss 4 volleys in a row.
Ever notice how MEP takes a short ball and just punches it with his slice forehand, usually just to the right of center of the middle of the court....and it rarely comes back, and when it does, it's usually an easy putaway. This is such an easy shot to hit. I do the same thing. I see so many lesson players wind up and try to hit a topspin approach off the same kind of ball, and it's rarely as effective...why not learn how to hit the forehand slice approach? Especially on low balls.
hot garbage had some great strokes but if you look at double faults and errors in the groundstrokes, its hard to beat a consistent player. if someone would track the match, the stats would show the eventual winner.
First things first shake off That negative name. "Yhg" Switch it to "Gfb" Going for broke" u have the tools bro keep working great video keep up the good work
Honestly, this was pretty clear. HG just doesn't know how to counter a low slice. His slice is much weaker than Ben's (poor placement and floats), while his low groundstrokes kept landing in the net. Ben is also really tough. He sniff's out a weakness and he's immediately on it.
With a lil more experience hot garbage is going to be a monster!!!
The experience that HG needs is to be able to hit the ball in the court consistently an not give his opponents free points. I am a high school tennis coach and my players that hit it in consistently tend to win a high percentage of the regular 18 matches they play each season. They are the true monsters on the court. Nobody wants to play a lean mean human ground stroke machine who can run all day and still hit in the court.
@@thomasmedeiros5722 Correct. HG has great strokes but doesn't really know how to set up points and really play percentage tennis. When I first started I hit the ball great, but I lost a lot to more experienced players. Took me a long time to really develop the feel for setting up points. Playing the score. Finding an opponent's weakness, hiding my weakness. It really is a thinking man's sport if you do it right.
Love it. MEP strikes again!
i just wanted to understand why hot garbage is staying like nadal or medvedev to receive a 10mph serve, running forward every return and still getting the ball to damn low.. i justed wanted to understand, lol.. step into the court man, pleeeeeeease.. he just made the game way harder doing this
Brutal! It's like hitting against a knuckleball pitcher. They need to outlaw MEP style from the game! 😀
Well... You want to play your style of match or you want to get sucked into your opponents game and lose? I'd rather lose playing my game. You need to have plan A, plan B and plan C. "Hot garbage" had great first few games and got sucked into MEP's style and got eaten alive... That is what I observed here. Throughout my junior and even D1 career, I faced similar to MEP style players at least few times a season. You have to overcome the non pace balls but boost up your confidence even though you lost few points. Once you lose your confidence and play your opponent's game, then you are on your way to lose...
Sounds like we need to have you featured on ur channel one day/ you must a good player from playing both juniors and college. Congrats.
nice game. :) calm and collected. no flashy shots. whatever works.
If I played MEP, one thing I would try to do is move in on his bloopers and pick them out of the air on a fly. When he hits those high, deep, nothing balls, just step in and bloop them back up in the air deep to his side. If you don't, you have to move your body with quick steps all over the place, retreat, and not know exactly how his ball will bounce. It can wear you out. If he bloops one that is a little short, go in and hit a swinging volley....these take just a little practice. The key is to aim high above the net and swing hard with a high follow-through. you can angle it off or hit it straight ahead...either one is effective.
"You're Hot Garbage" is the definition of low intensity, poor footwork, no commitment and weak mentality. Bear in mind, because MEP will punish you if you are not mentally prepared to be in long rallies. To be a good player you need to overcome these players even having good strokes because players like MEP have the most effective strategies as they understand the game better then other. Players like MEP have my utmost respect because they are the ones that set the benchmark between an advanced recreational player and a good recreational player.
Is Hot Garbage real name Mike? He looks familiar. Was a very good player at 4.5/5.0 level in South Florida circuit a long time ago (2014/2015 I believe). Looks like his tennis has completely lost its way, sad to watch. Opponent despite having strange fundamentals was too consistent. Hope Mike can find his tennis again but I think he’s a doctor now or nearing that. Good luck to both! Great channel btw!
Correct- Mike is studying to be a doctor. I hope he is spending more hours studying than playing tennis : ]
Oh wow! What an insight! Probably studying medicine has taken its toll on his tennis which is not surprising...
Damn!
4.5 vs 3.5 "Looking at my watch, around 10:00 is when we take the garbage out". Sick!😆 Garbage Man obviously has taken lessons and been in some type of program because his serve and stroke mechanics are very sound. Although he ran down some really good balls and got to the net consistently, he telds to stand straight up and doesn't move after he's hits a stroke. He also does not track or watch the ball most of the time while he is stroking, which accounts for all of the unforced errors. He should develop a top spin second serve to to cut down on all of the double faults too. All of these things add up to a 3.0 - 3.5 player. A good coach and the desire to become better could bring his level up.. He appear to be still very young.
One thing for sure is that Hot Garbage is consistently inconsistent. MEP went 12 games straight … and HG just self-destructed :-(
Love the opening!
I want the link to the original "comment" video.
@@ddwarren26 lol. search for hot garbage tennis troll on RUclips. It’ll take you the thumbnail with the comment (the link takes you to video but I don’t think it’s in the video). I will say- HG is the nicest guy.
HG is 3.5 right? I also have a friend who plays just like him. Some days he plays like 4.5 or even 5.0 but usually lose to 3.5+ players due to inconsistency..
Not sure if he has a rating.
He's definitely not a 4.5. More like 4.0 level or lower.
@@forgerator yeah i agree. Considering consistency, could be 3.5~4.0. But i think perhaps in his prime where he can go on without getting tired, he could be 4.5 easily. I know what HG meant about the heat. When it gets hot above 90F (i am suceptible to heat above certain level, where I start panting hard after like 2 games lol!) I lose badly to 4.0 players too whom i usually beat 6-2 on average 99% of the time. Under 90F i normally play 4 sets without stamina issues. It's almost as if I have a thermostat that triggers my muscles to shut down
@@hanbrianlee It happens to a lot of people. The best thing you can do is acclimate yourself by exercising in hot weather (being cautious, of course). Also, depending on the region, humidity + heat is absolutely brutal on your stamina.
@@DurpenHeimer yep when UV index as maxed out and humidity is 100% and above 90F... absolute killer. After that experience I try to avoid 90+ weather
*H O T G A R B A G E I N D E E D*
Omg garbage 🗑 is the right name lol 😆 need more Consistency
I think hot garbage could have won if he had looked for a good rhythm to settle into, stay in the point in the earlier sets to get the strokes dialled in. But MEP is MEP for a reason, so consistent. Hail King MEP 👑
MEP is a pro at beating those who beat themselves.
Best description EVER.
@@ayokay123 Its not a troll its true.
@@selfhelp69 I agree 100%.
Ben reminds me of a Tim Wakefield who was a knuckle ball pitcher back in the day he had 0 speed but no one could hit that knuckle ball . Ben is the same way . Absolutely no pace absolute junk it’s hard to return a ball when there is no pace so you have to compensate and make up the speed off of your racket and that’s when the errors come into play . By that same token you don’t want to get trapped into their style of play because then you are done . Power doesn’t work against the guys angles is huge against players like this.
Keep this format up, love it.😊
Garbage tends to overhit short ballw.
Thank you for the feedback. Will try when time allows.
Hot garbage seems to be the real MEP.
HG's decision to slice almost all his backhand returns was not working for him at all; should have stepped way in and hit his two-hander more
7:59 You're describing a 3.0/3.5 player.
Hot Garbage needs to move his ready position at least a yard inside the baseline, and to not approach much beyond the service line... His beautiful game is getting the MEP treatment.
Agree- stepping in and not letting the all get too low would help. Good suggestion.
Hot Garbage's serve returns are hot garbage. MEP is giving him very weak serves and he is just slicing it back.
Imagine Ian W. melting in the heat.
no way thats former d1
HoT garbage is me 2 summers back, inconsistent serve, weak backhand, and not enough endurance to play in the blistering heat. I'm still working on getting my fh before the injury but it's really fun to watch a player where I can relate
On his groundstrokes, in his effort to not overhit, HG is not bending his legs as much as he normally does when he hits his hard topspin drive, and hard backhand. I think if he got low and looped the ball a little higher, he could avoid some of the massive "under-hitting," or holding back from hitting normal strokes, that's required if you try to rally with MEP. Gotta bend the knees MORE, I think, to be ready to dance around the "nothing ball" from MEP that will require subtle adjustments before the hit (due to similarity to a knuckleball).
Consistency will beat power, more times than not. Boy did it in this match, big time. Never thought it would be this lopsided though. Thanks for the upload.
I knew it would be once the score was tied 2-2 in the first.
Consistency and endurance are strong weapons that are often overlooked.
I just can't.... listening to two guys talking seriously about someone with the nickname Hot Garbage xD.
Interviewer: You have got a tough match with Hot Garbage. What are your thoughts and strategies going into the match?
MEP: Well i haven't seen to terribly much of Hot Garbage....
Lol. What MEP says on how he strategies to play an opponent he in unfamiliar with his useful info for all for all of us even if it’s against a player with a fun nickname : ]
I love the white shirt players strokes but unfortunately way too many errors ...it seems like it was very hot that day , this is what tennis is al about , you need to put the ball in the court one more than your opponent , the style does not matter in amateur tennis , which is for 99% of us .........................we have the tendency to forget it and we do over complicate the way we play
About 6 minutes into the match you can see that HG is not going to have the consistency it takes to hang in the match with MEP. You just can’t afford to make ground stroke errors like that against a super consistent opponent. I think the final score reflects this early analysis and final outcome. In the meantime MEP is just getting stronger in his placement and change of spin. I do believe he has also improved his game in the forecourt when he is drawn forward.
Way too many unforced errors and double faults. MEP eats crap like that for breakfast!! lol :)
This is a great learning opportunity for HG, especially to have it all captured on video. It's nice to have feedback, even if most of it is critical. I am sure HG will bounce back and become a very good player in the coming years. I agree with everyone's criticisms. One area he could develop further is anticipation. MEP is a very consistent player, but not a quick one. It is not difficult to read when he is about to do a drop shot. HG reacted too late to MEP's drop shots. Also, for HG's own drop shots to work, he will need to either have a better disguise or make that stroke quicker. It is too easy to read, even more so than MEP's. I hope HG takes away many positives from this. It is certainly not easy to play with the weather and with the camera on.
Hot Garbage at 8:49 with faults--due to dropping your tossing arm without letting the hit itself force the arm down. Shoulders rock forward.
Yes dropping the tossing arm too early is often the cause of hitting in the net.
Looking at HG ground strokes I could hear my coach yelling : BEND YOUR KNEES!!!!
lol - I've been there too.
I learned from Wannabe Pro that bending knees is overrated. 😂
Perfect MEP conditions! I can't even play for 30 minutes in 90+ deg weather.
MEP is not aesthetic to the eye (rather looks borderline ugly with the technique and his strokes) at all but he wins!!
Take two big steps forward on those serve returns.
Good advice- especially with low slice serves.