French Viewer here : The Gasly "Incident" made sense after hearing from him on french TV. In his eyes, he qualified higher, was in front in the race, the team then allows Ocon to undercut him, Ocon then let him through later on to go and try to chase Alonso, Pierre didn't manage to but felt like he had earned the rights to be ahead anyway because of the overall week-end, plus he was on fresher tyres than Ocon in the end. I'm not saying Pierre is right or Ocon is right, just Pierre's frustrations make a lot more sense than we initially thought
Yea, I still don’t really think that warrants a full on tantrum. I agree Gasly should’ve kept the P9, but it’s is only a P9. It’s something you can hold in your frustration for the private debrief.
- The team then allows Ocon to undercut him...? Ocon had to box on lap 1 because he had a puncture. What does Gasly expect.... for Ocon to do as many laps on a set of hards as Gasly on a set of mediums and hards together??? It's pretty flippin obvious Ocon had to stop earlier to get his second set of hards. It was just Gasly behaving like the frustrated little child he is, as usual. Completely blowing a gasket over 1 point smh.
Gasly was faster than Ocon and would pass him on track anyway, the call to replace them at the end was so disrespectful but I dont expect more from toxic bond of alpine and ocon when it comes to respect
All finished passes on teammates were team strategy calls or pit stop undercuts, Norris on Piastri, Hamilton on Russel, Lawson on Tsunoda* so don't be so sure Gasly would pass Ocon
💫Timestamps💫 0:00 Intro (duh) 1:40 Tommy’s memorable moments (talking about Checo) 8:42 Question about Checo 12:30 Question about Checo penalty 17:57 Matt’s memorable moment (talking about Piastri) 21:12 Question about Piastri 24:17 Question about Piastri qualifying 26:54 Question about Mercedes line up 33:44 Max Verstappen podcast/cool down room 35:50 Pierre Gasly incident 37:47 Biggest winner 39:39 Biggest loser (diverted into talking about Sargeant) 41:44 Reflect on Wednesday predictions 46:14 Our crazy predictions Matt-45 Tommy-44 (Bonus point)
I feel like RB are just waiting for Ricciardo to come back and show some confidence in his driving. Once that happens, if Perez doesn't show any kind of improvement, I expect them to announce the swap - VER/RIC at RB, and TSU/LAW at AT.
I think it depends on how well Daniel performs in the last few races. if he sucks Liam would be called up, otherwise Daniel would get the RB seat. @@wotwot6868
The chances of getting 1 driver correct are 1/20 The chances of getting the top 5 are 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20 = 1/3200000. Tremendous job by Matt. Definitely deserving of an extra point.
@@joshoriordan3325 that would only be 1/3200000 if all cars and drivers were equally likely to beat the others, and we all know it's not the case (plus the real chances would be 1/20 * 1/19 * 1/18 * 1/17 * 1/16, so 1/1 860 480)
Can we also talk about how lewis is somehow 33 points behind perez when he is in such a dominant car. i think we need to see another driver get an opportunity in that top seat. I used to be a bit perez fan but i cant bare to see another season of him fighting just to make Q3
If you call that car dominant you mean the other red bull is dominant remember max almost beat bottas w11 in 2020 and max has so many DNF so max and lewis the ones make the car dominant in their own skill yes w11 and RB19 is so fast and rocketship but if the driver not good he make it lock like it is not the fastest car the next three races is huge for checo if dont do well and lost secend to lewis mercedes at the moment not good eather not surprised DR marko do somthing crazy about it
Stroll go ? Ahahaaahhahaaahaa, yea not happening =) Altho to be fair, AM bottled it this season with development, until they have a consistently top 5 performing car for the season, it does not really matter that Stroll is driving it, he is ok as a mid fielder.
@@armingleiner5292 What are you smoking? Having time stamps has nothing to do with attention span. For example, i don't want to watch the part where they explain the Perez coming back because i watch other categories and it's a normal thing to retire the car, fix and come back to the track. WEC is an example.
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@@jakem5039 I'm not sure. But it would feel wrong - surely you'd want to go out and celebrate the night on becoming a world champion ... only to have the main race the next day.
I agree, Max has been so dominant that Perez didn't matter much however next year they might need him to score points as well and no matter how Horner says Checo's seat isn't in jeopardy we all know RB is ruthless and Checo isn't Marko's favorite.
They already took action by bringing in DR. They have a plan. They want someone who is comfortable driving the RB car and who is closer to Max, DR has proven that in the past. And if you can't deal with the pressure, like Checo for instance, you won't be in that seat for long. Checo knows he is done, he made too much of a mess and it doesn't seem to get any better as the season progresses. So then it's pretty clear for RB they need to act. It's not a given RB will be as dominant next year so they need someone who is more reliable and brings in the points. Checo is still in second place because the gap is so big to the other teams. And yet Lewis is already closing in on him, in the Mercedes...that is insane! If other cars were closer he would have been even further off and then he becomes a risk. So for next year they can't take that risk, therefore he will be replaced. There is no other outcome.
Horner will always say that about any RB or AT driver. He's been in the game too long to give away anything, lets face it. He said something similar about De Vries, and we know how that turned out. If Danni Ric didn't break his hand he would have started in the RB in Quatar.
Russell was the one asking for the one stop strategy, it wasn't suggested by the team idk if they showed it on SkyF1 (screw them anyway), but at least on F1TV there was the radio message from George saying he wants to try it befor the team even thought about it
It was shown on Sky, as they use the same feed, and Russell called it "plan b" if I remember correctly. Mercedes knew they needed to have some short odds contingencies to take advantage should the race go sideways. It's basically the same low chance strategy that Red Bull took with Max in Singapore. Go long and pray for a timely safety car.
He still would’ve finished ahead of Hamilton if not for team orders. And also in qualifying Mercedes unnecessarily sent him out half way through Q3 and Lewis and everyone else got much better track conditions at the end.
As an Aussie so proud of Oscar this season hoping he can improve on it next year and hopefully McLaren can give him a decent car! Lando is definitely seeming like the Perez replacement
If I was Horner I would've gotten on the radio after Perez hit Mag and just told him to drive home. As much as I think this is just a slump it's quite an extended one
Is Perez under threat? After yesterday he should be. After 11 years and 230 races into his career he shouldnt be producing a display Lawson, Sargent and Piastri would be embarrassed to be on the end of as rookies.
Oh well said, I'm sure he knows himself he's in trouble and then that's putting pressure on himself to do better and hence making these ridiculous mistakes.
I know they’ve just signed up Riccardo at Alpha Tauri for next year and Perez doesn’t finish his contract until the end of the season. But I honestly believe if Perez has a few more performances like this weekend they’ll replace him with Riccardo next season.
Let's face it, after he missed q3 like 5 times in a row he should have been under threat but people acted like "helping secure the constructors chapionship" in a rocketship is worth keeping him.
45:00 I think you should get a bonus point for guessing the podium exactly. I also think you should get a half-point if you guess a person on the podium but they don't finish in the place you selected (i.e. Tommy would get half because he guessed Lando as a podium but Lando finished 2nd instead of Tommy's guess of 3rd).
Checo and Logan seem to be having their own competition - who can crash the most. Maybe Lawson should get a go in the other RB seat but I don't think I'd wish that on anyone. Going against Max as a driver is one thing, but having all the Horner-Marko as well could be too much. Or better DR to RB and give Lawson a proper year at AT.
Danny probably should be in that seat, especially because Perez no longer deserves it. I think the problem is that Danny has already signed a contract with AT for next year though, so it ain't gonna happen until 2025 at the earliest. If I'm Red Bull, I *don't* want to put a rookie in that seat, if only because Max will eat them alive. Going with a rookie would only make sense to grow them into their potential, and while Red Bull has plenty of talent waiting in the wings, it's going to take a very resilient driver to be able to do that under Max. Ricciardo is a seasoned veteran, he knows how to deal with Max, so he'd be a perfect option. Albon could probably do well, but I think he's better off staying with Williams and helping them grow their team, and I think he suits their car very well. I think Ricciardo's time at McLaren shows that it's more than just driver talent at play, it's also about matching the driver to the abilities of the car. I think both driver and car can benefit from stability rather than just jumping around from team to team every time an opportunity arises.
@@rars0n I just can't see Red Bull or Ricciardo creating a contract for Alphatari that doesn't allow Danny to switch to Red Bull, just as they allegedly have had contracts that allowed drivers to be "demoted" from Red Bull to Alphatari.
as long as Lawson only tries to be 2nd best in RBR, he would be fine. Their expectation for the 2nd driver of RBR, is always get 2nd if Max is 1st. and get ready to get 1st if Max has a bad day. The problem with checo he thinks he can beat Max in consistency, and that blew up in his face after Australia.
Red Bull also won the driver championship this weekend, with Perez being the only one to challenge Max now. And that would basically mean Verstappen gets no points anymore for the rest of the season. Hamilton in third cannot get enough point anymore to pass Verstappen, so if Perez fails it will automatically be Verstappen. Therefore Red Bull already has its hands on both championships.
Checo is not actually challenging him though. Max only needs 3 more points to win the championship. If he gets those in the next sprint race, the WDC is his, even before race day. It's really only a formality now. I'm sure they're already chilling the champagne for the celebrations. It would be interesting though to see a hungover Maxs race-form on a sunday 😂
@@janaruhl7313obviously, but you don’t win the championship until it’s mathematically impossible for anyone to catch. It’s been a formality since Monaco
Man that's ridiculous stats! Perez should almost always finish behind Max. Sure he's not as good and efficient so maybe a few races he'll get 3rd/4th but Max having 15 podiums and Perez having 8 and crashing and all that... I think at this point they're keeping him so there's no competition and difficulty within the team. He does enough to hopefully finish 2nd in the Championship, get the constructors title and that's it...
Brodie saying “that’s it”jaja ricardo gasley and Albon are miles behind the stats Perez has brought to Red Bull. This is like when people would compare Bottas to Hamilton except Perez actually wins races and gets consistent podiums
Everyone in the 2nd driver role had similar problems, not just in the RB, but also Bottas had terrible races. Something in this role destroys the drivers. Baricello and Massa both had a very hard time in the Ferrari. So I think it is just natural to see them falling apart.
Perez reminds me, in a way, of Juan Pablo Montoya, when he was in Formula 1... A Dutch commentator described Montoya as having a marble in a shallow bowl inside his head. As long as verything was going well for him, the marble would stay inside the bowl and he'd be brilliant! Great overtakes, exiting, daring and unscrupulous! But when something would happen that somehow ticked him off, that marble would roll from the bowl and he would just fall apart... making stupid mistakes, horribly misjudging situations and needlessly getting into accidents and crashes. Checo is the same! When everything suits him, he's doing great! A very good solid driver, very much capable of winning races. But when something puts him off, he completely falls apart and the normally quite intelligent driver turns into a clueless "torpedo". Maybe *that* was what Helmut Marko clumsily tried to convey a few weeks ago... "His emotional nature sometimes gets the better of him... "
26:58 that is generous calling George a #1 driver. He's definitely a #1 in his own head. He's won what? One race? I'm not sure he's better than a Norris or Piastri. What has George done that says he's a #1 driver? I think Hamilton said it best when talking about driver points, "It's not even close." George only had the benefit in 2022 because Lewis was doing a lot of the experimental work and radical setups to help understand the woeful car. George is not Lewis' heir apparent. As Max said recently, "George is really good at creating excuses." The kid talks way too much for being only a really good driver but far from being great.
In fairness to RB, it’s mainly the British press that are making a big stink about the Checo penalty situation. I’m pretty sure none of that noise would be around if it were Mercedes or even any other team than RB.
If Logan Sargeant cannot stand that kind of pressure, they should help him out of his misery and just let him go. That would be the humane thing to do.
I would be mad as well to be honest. Im not an F1 driver but if I was an F1 driver I would NEVER purposefully let someone pass me. Even if it was my teammate or was for a “better strategy” in my opinion if you are going to pass someone you need to earn it.
I’m all for 1 bonus point if you get the top 5 correct, but needs to work retroactively for every prediction this season! Also provides slightly more waffle for my ears ❤️
but russell's speed was dropping rapidly. Sainz would have passed them both. They should have made the switch earlier on so Hamilton could have caught up with leclerc and had george pit
@@asunbeam5479 they should've, but instead they decided to wait and then swapped them when Russell would be a sitting duck. At that point it made sense to keep ham behind coz sainz didnt have a big delta advantage on lewis and with a bit of racecraft, they could've secured a 5 and 6. Oh well.
I don’t think Lawson should be too sad about not getting that alpha tauri seat quite yet. Because there’s a good chance Ricardo is in Perez’s seat before/during the summer break 2024
He shouldn't worry. Unless a generational talent (or generational money lol) appears, he's pretty much guaranteed for 2025. He only has to worry about what he's going to do in 2024, and how would he keep growing and not hamper his potential. So, RB, please take care of Lawson.
Truth is RB is in a driver crisis. Checo is bad, yuki doesn't have the temperament, Liam doesn't have the experience, Daniel isnt in top form. Max is so elite, he's covering a giant problem
34:00 I love the cooldownroom. Especially this one. That "beauuuutiful" on that outside overtake from Piastri tells you these guys love to see good racing almost as much as actually doing the racing.
baku 2017, kimi and perez rejoined the race after driving back to the garage and retiring, the race threw a red flag and they were able to fix their cars and go out. They received penalties for working on the car in the fast lane though, and both were unable to finish the race anyway due to damage. This is where that iconic kimi radio 'Gloves and steering wheel" originated Russell was desperate to try and drive his car back to the garage after silverstone 2022 to try and do the same thing, even though he left his car, as long as the marshalls didnt tow him
@omarsalcido8891 Red Bull have dropped people for less. Red Bull can't afford performance like that best season as its only a matter of time before other teams close the gap. The other side of things they'll lose Lawson if they don't find him a seat. They may promote Tsunoda, leading Ricardo and Lawson at Alfa Tauri?
There wasnt really anything else for him to do if he wants a podium there than to gamble on it. It wasnt the right call with tyres going away enough that he couldnt keep delta before pitting, but he didnt realistically lose a single position in the end for it. If he went for a 2 stop he probably was finishing 7th anyway, maximum 6th ahead of carlos maybe.
Gasly and Albon just goes to show that, while Logan and Piastri might "disprove" the rookie thing, there's a lot to be said for stepping away or losing your chance and taking the time to mature at the level vs being thrown in to the top teams. It could be less that the rookie thing is true or false, but that there are two types of rookies...
Well the championship is not done yet, and 1 more DNF or botched qualy from Sergio will make the fight very close. Lewis is 33 behind currently, that is not a lot considering the form Sergio showed lately. Plus it is always relative, if you have a rocket ship while everyone else drive a bicycle then even coming under threat during the season is a bad performance, next year will probably be no where near as dominant (Unless Newey wakes up one day and decides that peace is not an option, who knows).
At this point, hopefully Daniel comes back and is lights out awesome and they just put him in the second seat for next year and drop Perez. Then you can put Liam in that other Alpha seat and Max can go on and win everything all by himself next year too, hahaha.
Love this podcast, you're enthusiasm is infectious and you always provide insightful analysis. P.s. Matt you deserve a bonus point for your top 5 prediction 😁
A problem we have in judging whether Checo can stay or not is 'Does Red Bull care about the Constructors'. In 2021 Max won the Drivers, but Mercedes won the Constructors, and the reactions from both sides showed which championship was more important. Red Bull were celebrating with Max despite having lost the Constructors, while Merc 'celebrated' winning there 8th consecutive Constructors Championship by angrily hunting down Michael Masi after his controversial decisions arguably cost Hamilton the Drivers. Abu Dhabi 2021 exposed what we all deep down have always known, the Constructors doesn't matter and all that matters to the big teams is the Drivers Championship. As long as Max wins the Drivers Championship it doesn't really matter where Checo finishes. As a result, does it really matter who sits in the other Red Bull car.
Constructors matters more to the employees as they all get a bonus from winning it. The Drivers Championship is more prestigious and everyone on the grid knows that!
This is a horrible take lmao. When staff bonuses are tied to winning the constructor's championship, it will matter to the entire team, not to mention, being able to represent yourself as being part of the best team on the grid. Winning the WDC is usually given greater celebration because it advertises your car and driver's dominance more and is a more 'human' achievement as its tied quite literally to 1 human being. Jumping to the conclusion that you landed on based off of just that, is weird af.
After Singapore I guess that's mutual. Checo just seems to have lost his ability to have a clean race. Maybe he already is informed about his fate at the end of this season. Can't imagine any other reason for his lacking current form.
the perez 2 laps thing was kinda mad but from my *very limited* understanding of the sporting regulations for people who are still confused: a car isn't considered retired from a race until the leader has passed the checkered flag, as perez was able to drive back into the pits on his own (i.e. no marshalls touched the car), his car was still technically part of the race right up until verstappen finished. mechanics are allowed to touch/work on the car insider their "defined garage area" to their hearts content, with further limitation added to their pit box (no refuelling etc.).
that would be a very bad idea actually. The dude does a few races and now suddenly you want him in the RB seat? I don't know what you've been smoking but that's not gonna happen.
@@MaxFromSydney1thing is putting Yuki or Liam in the RB will very likely be a Gasly, Albon situation. Ricardo is a lil more experienced so who ever impresses next year in the AT will get the 2nd RB seat in 25. Liam might be a wildcard for 25 if he does get loaned to Williams for next year and impresses or possibly bests Albon.
@@yanikdavid3708 Honestly skill wise I think Yuki could go to RB next year, the problem is that he is still hasnt chilled out enough, he is much better than previous years, but still not there, in 2025 I think he will be ready. IMHO just put Daniel in RB for 2024 (see if the Honey Badger really still has it at the top with all possible motivation of a Championship), Liam + Yuki in AT for 2024. For 2025 just see how things shake out, ether Daniel proves he still got it and keeps the seat or Yuki goes in instead. This will allow Liam to get experience + gets you a free seat for a rookie.
Yes he's 4-0 up but some content is needed... The Netherlands he was slower than Yuki who just got screwed over by strategy. Italy and Singapore Yuki DNS/DNF through no fault of his own, and Japan they were inseparable the whole weekend and could easily have gone either way. He's doing an incredible job, but using that as a stat to claim he should have a seat is pretty meaningless.
I’m pretty sure George decided on the one stop strategy? It certainly sounded like the team were going along with his suggestion rather than them making a decision to “split” them so they didn’t race each other.
When their personal interest comes in conflict, they both advocate for their own race. I don't see any evidence that their relationship is hostile. I think fans are just overblowing it.
Very rarely are F1 teammates any sort of good friends unless its clear theres a difference in their level. It was easy for Gasly to be friends with Tsunoda when Tsunoda was new and wasnt at his current level yet because he was the clear star. Same with Alonso being friendly and nice about Stroll at the start of the season, bc he is second and Stroll comfortably behind, but I guarantee if Stroll and Alonso were equal terms and fighting for those p2's among themselves they wouldnt have been such buddies.
Gasly's perspective: Qualified ahead of Ocon. Ahead of Ocon most of the race. Would have passed Ocon anyway in those final laps since Gasly has comparitively fresh rubber. I guess that frustration is kind of justified, doesn't matter whether he is fighting for P1 or P19. (Not Alpine/Gasly's fan).
There's a big difference between Perez and Max. It was shown the best in Singapore when they both were getting throught midfield. Max realises his and his cars potential, sticks behind his rival and waits for most "popular" overtaking spots on the track, does the job easly and repeats. Perez seems very desperated and wants to make the move as fast as possible, when It's better to wait.
In reality, Max made his own overtaking spot in a different position to where it usually happens. What's the real difference is that Max can reign himself in and unleash himself at right moment. Look at that last stint for example... what gap did he have to Leclerc? Nothing left of it at the end of the race. Pitted just one lap too late.
hi guys, love you two but could you please give us time stamps in the video description with the topic chapters you're talking about? I don't always have the time to listen to the full thing and would really appreciate if I still could stay up to date with your thoughts and opinions. Keep up the good work, really happy for you that you started your own thing with p1 and got the recognition and traction that you deserve for your hard work and personalities.
Everybody is celebrating Redbull winnig the constructors and Max almost winning the Drivers championship. Sad that nobody is celebrating my man winning the UFC Motor Weight championship!
I thought right away when they confirmed Daniel and Yuki that there was a small chance that they might try Lawson in Perez's seat. Probably a bad idea but RB likes to play mental games and throw young drivers into high-stress situations just to see if they survive.
People being confused about that Perez going back out deal is because the Damn Sky Sports Broadcast made a big deal about it,,Crofty brought it up then Ted Kravitz comes on and starts talking about it like it was something wrong and controversial.. In the old days drivers could crash out and get into the back up car and race again
Lol its simply in the rules. The fact that RBR knows that and Skysports dont 😂 And RBR had contact with race director before they send Checo out again as well. It was checked by race director before hand lol Skysports cant handle the fact that RBR knows the rule book so well....
I thought it was silly when team orders were banned and the teams were clearly doing it anyway with all this thinly coded language but now the drivers begging on the radio is totally out of control. Let me pass my teammate, tell my teammate not to pass me, if you don't let me finish ahead of my teammate I'll have a tantrum. Nearly all the drivers do it now except for the Haas guys and it's so weak.
I must admit that the thought that Perez was trying to get himself sacked went through my mind more than once. Underwhelming in quali (again), the incident at the start (though tbh, he was pushed from the right into Hamilton, two penalties because of mistakes/bad driving... Three noses! I did wonder if they'd have any left for Max should someone he was lapping (Perez?) do something stupid. Genuine question here: do you think he's trying to trigger a contract clause which states they have to give him money to go away, as opposed to him needing to pay them if he wants to leave before his contract runs out? Before Singapore, that hadn't entered my head. I'd thought he was just trying too hard to keep up with Max. That came from an interview on Channel 4 _in Austria_ with Horner, who said that they were trying to get him to recognise that he'd already essentially screwed himself over regarding the championship, so take it easy and second place in said championship should come naturally to him (needless to say I'm paraphrasing and Horner was a lot more tactful than me). He was saying that there were possible wins available for him _if_ he didn't keep falling off the track (he has/had been free to race Max, at least in the first half of the season). The media aren't helping - as usual - by speculating about his future (I'm not the media and he won't be reading this comment!), undoubtedly piling up more pressure on him. And he has the weight of the expectations of an entire country on top of him, which can't be helping. I'm afraid that he's cracked, or getting close to it, and he's not up for it any longer. This is a sad thought and not one I am saying with a single iota of pleasure. But he's not doing himself any favours, and he's reminding me of Danny Ric at McLaren. Only I don't think he's got an old team ready to help him out in the way RB has done for Danny. 🙁
@@peterkitts8815I think it should depend on when the penalty was issued. If the driver gets penalized while out on track, and fails to serve the penalty, then it should go to the next race as a grid drop. If they get a penalty after returning to the garage, they should get an opportunity to go back out on track and serve the penalty within a certain amount of laps completed by the leader, and once that lap limit is up, then it goes to the next race. Or something like that. This is assuming that 1) the rules should be changed (I honestly don’t think they should, this is just an idea for if it does get changed), and 2) the car makes it back to the grid on its own merit and not with intervention by track marshals or other drivers or whatever.
Do you do the same thing for drivers finishing 11th or lower since they're not getting penalized if they drop from 11 to 12? What about if the driver is 10 sec ahead and gets a 5 sec penalty? They're "not being penalized" either. Reality is there have always been penalties that were meaningless within the context of the race they were given, this is just another one.
@@peterkitts8815 I personally think it's inappropriate for a car to go back on track once they are over 2 laps down. In order to catch up they would require a red flag or similar intervention, so I think they'd just be driving hundreds of kilometres for no reason.
For the top 5 bonus points, personally I would add an extra point for each correct guess following first place. In other words, correctly predicting 1st and 2nd would give 3 points. Correctly predicting the full top 3 would give 5 points. Correctly predicting the Top5 would give 9 points. Sure it's a lot but how likely is it to nail all of those exact placements?
I think from Gasly's perspective it's all about finishing ahead of his team mate in the driver championship and every point counts for an Alpine driver. No one asks how and why u got beaten by your team mate at the end of the year. No ones gonna remember "ah yes Gasly is only one point down compared to Ocon because he let him through in Suzuka." Only thing anyone's ever gonna remember and notice is who beat who in the team mate comparison.
Lawson looks good but I feel Verstappen would crush him. Would prefer to see Norris in that Red Bull instead. Unlikely untill 2025 though. I would have replaced Tsunoda with Lawson for 2024.
Thanks guys for the good discussion. The discussion brought me to the realization - Valtterie Bottas would be the perfect teammate to Verstapen. He is okay with being 2nd and a big team player and would be consistently on the first row. Hamilton/Russel, Lecler/Sainze, Hamilton/Bottas - show that a solid number 2 with a young superstar (Versttapen) is the winning package. Riccaridio would have a hard time being a team player and has been up and down. Liam /Tsunoda are too big a risk for now.
I’ve never seen someone have so many terrible results while getting 2nd in the championship. At this point I’m sure it’s part of RB’s plan to give Max the record for largest gap between 1st & 2nd
I didn't think when Lando was being 100% serious when he responded to the question about the driver pairing being "Strongest" during the pre-weekend interviews. Pretty sure it was a tongue and cheek normal Lando-type answer to being put on the spot.
It would be great to see Verstappen partner with Alonso before he retires. I think Alonso would really push Verstappen to the limit more than any other driver. Alonso just needs a good car to show what he can do.
Verstappen doesn't need another driver to push him. He always drives on the limit. He couldn't really care who is in the car next to him. But RB would never bring a driver that can create chaos in the team, why would they? They have Max.
concerning gasly's incident when they told ocon to let him pass he asked if they will switch again if he cant pass alonso and after some time they agreed but left that part of the plan when they talked to gasly which means he wasnt aware of the full picture so his frustration is understandable from his perspective
17:15 Looking back at the streams of Checo, I wonder if he actually served his penalty. He came out; did one lap and come in; he directly switched off his engine and his team touched the car immediately without waiting for 5 seconds. Wonder if the rule is something like: if you get a penalty after DNF, then it will be transformed into a grid penalty. Then by driving after getting te penalty he could nullify it.
He went out, came in, did pitstop with 5sec penalty (yes another one than the one which WAS shown on live stream), went out again and again came in pits to retire. It simply wasnt shown on tv. Look at the onboard of Checo on F1TV
@@gealingeman8643For sure he was out of the car. George wasn’t allowed to continue his race after stopping in Silverstone and checking on Zhou. And if I’m not mistaken DNF was shown on TV
French Viewer here : The Gasly "Incident" made sense after hearing from him on french TV. In his eyes, he qualified higher, was in front in the race, the team then allows Ocon to undercut him, Ocon then let him through later on to go and try to chase Alonso, Pierre didn't manage to but felt like he had earned the rights to be ahead anyway because of the overall week-end, plus he was on fresher tyres than Ocon in the end. I'm not saying Pierre is right or Ocon is right, just Pierre's frustrations make a lot more sense than we initially thought
Yea, I still don’t really think that warrants a full on tantrum. I agree Gasly should’ve kept the P9, but it’s is only a P9. It’s something you can hold in your frustration for the private debrief.
- The team then allows Ocon to undercut him...?
Ocon had to box on lap 1 because he had a puncture.
What does Gasly expect.... for Ocon to do as many laps on a set of hards as Gasly on a set of mediums and hards together???
It's pretty flippin obvious Ocon had to stop earlier to get his second set of hards.
It was just Gasly behaving like the frustrated little child he is, as usual.
Completely blowing a gasket over 1 point smh.
Gasly was faster than Ocon and would pass him on track anyway, the call to replace them at the end was so disrespectful but I dont expect more from toxic bond of alpine and ocon when it comes to respect
Anyway, Alpine pitwall did unnecessary thing with swapping Ocon with Gasly in the last lap
All finished passes on teammates were team strategy calls or pit stop undercuts, Norris on Piastri, Hamilton on Russel, Lawson on Tsunoda* so don't be so sure Gasly would pass Ocon
💫Timestamps💫
0:00 Intro (duh)
1:40 Tommy’s memorable moments (talking about Checo)
8:42 Question about Checo
12:30 Question about Checo penalty
17:57 Matt’s memorable moment (talking about Piastri)
21:12 Question about Piastri
24:17 Question about Piastri qualifying
26:54 Question about Mercedes line up
33:44 Max Verstappen podcast/cool down room
35:50 Pierre Gasly incident
37:47 Biggest winner
39:39 Biggest loser (diverted into talking about Sargeant)
41:44 Reflect on Wednesday predictions
46:14 Our crazy predictions
Matt-45
Tommy-44
(Bonus point)
Much appreciated.
Thank you! 🥳
Thanks!
@mattp1tommy why can't you do this yourselves?
Respect
The cooldown room is a good way for Max to actaully watch what happened in the race behind him.
Can’t believe they didn’t show the 2 best moves 😂
Getting the top 5 right is wild.
Yeah that's pretty good.
Im no gambler but thats got to be a good bet to win
It's wild... But no extra points for matt!
Yea, deserves AT LEAST one extra point for that!
gotta be worth more than one point
I feel like RB are just waiting for Ricciardo to come back and show some confidence in his driving. Once that happens, if Perez doesn't show any kind of improvement, I expect them to announce the swap - VER/RIC at RB, and TSU/LAW at AT.
Me too OP. As soon as AT announced the drivers i thought that.
I hope so!
Ricciardo is washed they should get someone out of the red bull program
That's exactly what they're working on
Seeing how Lawson is doing after merely 4 races, you may start wondering wether Danni Ric coming back at all
Guys, your productivity is just off the charts! I'm happy that you exist and release your reviews so regularly and with such quality.
Williams got Sargent,
Aston Martin got Stroll and
Red bull got Sergio.....
Triple S of F1
If Marko said North American instead of South, he'd be right
😂😂@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168The NAFTA of F1
Funny how they are the only drivers from NA and they all get destroyed by their teammate, unlike anyone else on the grid
the S in Slow or the V in Victory ..... mmmmm
If Mercedes-Benz were fighting for the title im pretty sure tensions would boil over between Hamilton and Russell...
Agreed. George seems to expect respect and teamwork from Lewis. He needs to have a chat with Nico, get his expectations aligned with reality.
The same for Lando and Oscar. Did you see Lando's face after the qualifying during the press conference? he was not happy to be beaten by Oscar...
It’d definitely end up in a Rosberg/Hamilton in Barcelona incident.
@@IamHailey8 apart from Monza there doesn't seem to be that tense of a relationship between Oscar and Lando
AMG not Benz
Perez is working hard to get Liam a seat for 2024.
Real
Lol, he's such a nice guy😂
I wonder if RB already gave the seat to Liam before the JP race.. or gave Sergio an ultimatum
I think it depends on how well Daniel performs in the last few races. if he sucks Liam would be called up, otherwise Daniel would get the RB seat. @@wotwot6868
Liam ? 😂😂raced in f1 for three races and you are going to parachute him into the top team ? Without paying his dues ? 🤡🤡🤡
picking the exact top 5 pre-race is absolutely worth a bonus point
Agreed
I think going forward that should absolutely be the case. But to retroactively do it kind of sucks
The chances of getting 1 driver correct are 1/20
The chances of getting the top 5 are 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20 x 1/20 = 1/3200000.
Tremendous job by Matt. Definitely deserving of an extra point.
@@joshoriordan3325 that would only be 1/3200000 if all cars and drivers were equally likely to beat the others, and we all know it's not the case (plus the real chances would be 1/20 * 1/19 * 1/18 * 1/17 * 1/16, so 1/1 860 480)
Can we also talk about how lewis is somehow 33 points behind perez when he is in such a dominant car. i think we need to see another driver get an opportunity in that top seat. I used to be a bit perez fan but i cant bare to see another season of him fighting just to make Q3
If you call that car dominant you mean the other red bull is dominant remember max almost beat bottas w11 in 2020 and max has so many DNF so max and lewis the ones make the car dominant in their own skill yes w11 and RB19 is so fast and rocketship but if the driver not good he make it lock like it is not the fastest car the next three races is huge for checo if dont do well and lost secend to lewis mercedes at the moment not good eather not surprised DR marko do somthing crazy about it
Perez off weekends + Lewis incredible consistency... and there's your 33 points gap.
that's what we, the audience, would like to see.... it is not something RB(as a team), wants to see happening.
Funny thing is... that has everything to do with Checo and not all that much with Lewis doing amazing things....
Thats exactly the issue with Checo...not consistent
Sargeant, Stroll and it hurts me to say Perez are gotta go...
Lawson should stay somewhere
Stroll go ? Ahahaaahhahaaahaa, yea not happening =)
Altho to be fair, AM bottled it this season with development, until they have a consistently top 5 performing car for the season, it does not really matter that Stroll is driving it, he is ok as a mid fielder.
''sergio'' not perez, so we can call them the triple s squad xD
Just a suggestion, if you are uploading a long video, perhaps include time stamps? Very convenient for viewers.
Convenient for Tik Tok addicted kids with no attention span.
@@armingleiner5292 got em
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@@armingleiner5292facts
@@armingleiner5292 What are you smoking? Having time stamps has nothing to do with attention span. For example, i don't want to watch the part where they explain the Perez coming back because i watch other categories and it's a normal thing to retire the car, fix and come back to the track. WEC is an example.
Thanks matt and tommy for all the videos and podcast. My drive back from college takes about 3 hours and y’all’s content helps so much. If y’all ever come to COTA I’ll be there
+1
Would be kind of underwhelming to see Verstappen crowned champion in a sprint race.
Would it make him the only champion crowned on a non-race day?
@@jakem5039 Probably 😂.
@@gameofender4463 So he'd be crowned at AD21, Suzuka when he didn't know he had won, and now a sprint race?? Bruh Max can't just win a normal title
@@jakem5039 I'm not sure. But it would feel wrong - surely you'd want to go out and celebrate the night on becoming a world champion ... only to have the main race the next day.
@@invincibleisaac2000 And to not even be up on the podium when you win it
I agree, Max has been so dominant that Perez didn't matter much however next year they might need him to score points as well and no matter how Horner says Checo's seat isn't in jeopardy we all know RB is ruthless and Checo isn't Marko's favorite.
They already took action by bringing in DR. They have a plan. They want someone who is comfortable driving the RB car and who is closer to Max, DR has proven that in the past. And if you can't deal with the pressure, like Checo for instance, you won't be in that seat for long. Checo knows he is done, he made too much of a mess and it doesn't seem to get any better as the season progresses. So then it's pretty clear for RB they need to act. It's not a given RB will be as dominant next year so they need someone who is more reliable and brings in the points. Checo is still in second place because the gap is so big to the other teams. And yet Lewis is already closing in on him, in the Mercedes...that is insane! If other cars were closer he would have been even further off and then he becomes a risk. So for next year they can't take that risk, therefore he will be replaced. There is no other outcome.
Horner will always say that about any RB or AT driver. He's been in the game too long to give away anything, lets face it. He said something similar about De Vries, and we know how that turned out. If Danni Ric didn't break his hand he would have started in the RB in Quatar.
@@andrer8583hasn’t Liam outperformed Danny?
@@hiufgterde Danny Ric the same that couldnt stand the Max Verstappen pressure (even with him not being champion) and went flying to Renault?
@@marcbrisson3 Tough to compare I am afraid, the AT has seen some big upgrades since DR has been in it.
Russell was the one asking for the one stop strategy, it wasn't suggested by the team
idk if they showed it on SkyF1 (screw them anyway), but at least on F1TV there was the radio message from George saying he wants to try it befor the team even thought about it
It was shown on Sky, as they use the same feed, and Russell called it "plan b" if I remember correctly. Mercedes knew they needed to have some short odds contingencies to take advantage should the race go sideways. It's basically the same low chance strategy that Red Bull took with Max in Singapore. Go long and pray for a timely safety car.
He still would’ve finished ahead of Hamilton if not for team orders.
And also in qualifying Mercedes unnecessarily sent him out half way through Q3 and Lewis and everyone else got much better track conditions at the end.
Why the beef with Skysports? It continue to be the best commentary during the race
As an Aussie so proud of Oscar this season hoping he can improve on it next year and hopefully McLaren can give him a decent car! Lando is definitely seeming like the Perez replacement
I know he and Max are friends but Max would kill that relationship to keep winning. I don’t see why Lando would make that move
U assies have a great new driver to cheer on for sure😁 this guy is going places. 1st places.
I doubt Lando is going to Red Bull to play second fiddle to Max if McLaren continue their current trajectory. He would be mad to do so.
I can't see Lando leaving. I reckon they will put Ricciardo in the RB and Lawson in AT.
I was actually really hoping to see a Max and Piastri team at RedBull
If I was Horner I would've gotten on the radio after Perez hit Mag and just told him to drive home. As much as I think this is just a slump it's quite an extended one
Is Perez under threat? After yesterday he should be. After 11 years and 230 races into his career he shouldnt be producing a display Lawson, Sargent and Piastri would be embarrassed to be on the end of as rookies.
Oh well said, I'm sure he knows himself he's in trouble and then that's putting pressure on himself to do better and hence making these ridiculous mistakes.
I think he's gone and they already decided that earlier on. They didn't bring DR back for no reason.
I know they’ve just signed up Riccardo at Alpha Tauri for next year and Perez doesn’t finish his contract until the end of the season. But I honestly believe if Perez has a few more performances like this weekend they’ll replace him with Riccardo next season.
@@lamsmiley1944 If that were the case I would argue he was trying to be fired.
Let's face it, after he missed q3 like 5 times in a row he should have been under threat but people acted like "helping secure the constructors chapionship" in a rocketship is worth keeping him.
45:00 I think you should get a bonus point for guessing the podium exactly. I also think you should get a half-point if you guess a person on the podium but they don't finish in the place you selected (i.e. Tommy would get half because he guessed Lando as a podium but Lando finished 2nd instead of Tommy's guess of 3rd).
Checo and Logan seem to be having their own competition - who can crash the most. Maybe Lawson should get a go in the other RB seat but I don't think I'd wish that on anyone. Going against Max as a driver is one thing, but having all the Horner-Marko as well could be too much. Or better DR to RB and give Lawson a proper year at AT.
Danny probably should be in that seat, especially because Perez no longer deserves it. I think the problem is that Danny has already signed a contract with AT for next year though, so it ain't gonna happen until 2025 at the earliest.
If I'm Red Bull, I *don't* want to put a rookie in that seat, if only because Max will eat them alive. Going with a rookie would only make sense to grow them into their potential, and while Red Bull has plenty of talent waiting in the wings, it's going to take a very resilient driver to be able to do that under Max. Ricciardo is a seasoned veteran, he knows how to deal with Max, so he'd be a perfect option. Albon could probably do well, but I think he's better off staying with Williams and helping them grow their team, and I think he suits their car very well.
I think Ricciardo's time at McLaren shows that it's more than just driver talent at play, it's also about matching the driver to the abilities of the car. I think both driver and car can benefit from stability rather than just jumping around from team to team every time an opportunity arises.
Yes, the Goatifi award championship is on fire tbh
@@rars0n I just can't see Red Bull or Ricciardo creating a contract for Alphatari that doesn't allow Danny to switch to Red Bull, just as they allegedly have had contracts that allowed drivers to be "demoted" from Red Bull to Alphatari.
P2 in WDC, but okay
as long as Lawson only tries to be 2nd best in RBR, he would be fine. Their expectation for the 2nd driver of RBR, is always get 2nd if Max is 1st. and get ready to get 1st if Max has a bad day.
The problem with checo he thinks he can beat Max in consistency, and that blew up in his face after Australia.
Red Bull also won the driver championship this weekend, with Perez being the only one to challenge Max now. And that would basically mean Verstappen gets no points anymore for the rest of the season.
Hamilton in third cannot get enough point anymore to pass Verstappen, so if Perez fails it will automatically be Verstappen. Therefore Red Bull already has its hands on both championships.
Checo is not actually challenging him though. Max only needs 3 more points to win the championship. If he gets those in the next sprint race, the WDC is his, even before race day. It's really only a formality now. I'm sure they're already chilling the champagne for the celebrations.
It would be interesting though to see a hungover Maxs race-form on a sunday 😂
@@janaruhl7313he’d probably still win or start puking out the car and create a red flag for slippery conditions
@@janaruhl7313obviously, but you don’t win the championship until it’s mathematically impossible for anyone to catch. It’s been a formality since Monaco
@@janaruhl7313 Your reply makes me feel you haven’t read my entire post.
As the great Kimi once said:
"I was pointing at the planes"
I think Matt should get a bonus point for the top 5
Lando now has the same number of P2 finishes as Perez does.
Man that's ridiculous stats! Perez should almost always finish behind Max. Sure he's not as good and efficient so maybe a few races he'll get 3rd/4th but Max having 15 podiums and Perez having 8 and crashing and all that... I think at this point they're keeping him so there's no competition and difficulty within the team. He does enough to hopefully finish 2nd in the Championship, get the constructors title and that's it...
Brodie saying “that’s it”jaja ricardo gasley and Albon are miles behind the stats Perez has brought to Red Bull. This is like when people would compare Bottas to Hamilton except Perez actually wins races and gets consistent podiums
Everyone in the 2nd driver role had similar problems, not just in the RB, but also Bottas had terrible races. Something in this role destroys the drivers. Baricello and Massa both had a very hard time in the Ferrari.
So I think it is just natural to see them falling apart.
Cos it's unbelievably difficult to accept that you're just not good enough. I feel for them but they were paired with the greats of the sport.
Perez reminds me, in a way, of Juan Pablo Montoya, when he was in Formula 1...
A Dutch commentator described Montoya as having a marble in a shallow bowl inside his head.
As long as verything was going well for him, the marble would stay inside the bowl and he'd be brilliant!
Great overtakes, exiting, daring and unscrupulous!
But when something would happen that somehow ticked him off, that marble would roll from the bowl and he would just fall apart... making stupid mistakes, horribly misjudging situations and needlessly getting into accidents and crashes.
Checo is the same! When everything suits him, he's doing great! A very good solid driver, very much capable of winning races.
But when something puts him off, he completely falls apart and the normally quite intelligent driver turns into a clueless "torpedo".
Maybe *that* was what Helmut Marko clumsily tried to convey a few weeks ago... "His emotional nature sometimes gets the better of him... "
I think that's exactly what Marko was trying to say and he is not completely wrong
incredible that 3 weeks after people are stil suporting Marko's racist message
I see what you’re saying and agree. Harsh on JPM though
@@gatograssoit was racist because he generalized a whole continent of people but he can still be right about perez as an individual person....
@@jaja8022Marko kinda ruined his assessment by bringing the needless South American reference.
26:58 that is generous calling George a #1 driver. He's definitely a #1 in his own head. He's won what? One race? I'm not sure he's better than a Norris or Piastri. What has George done that says he's a #1 driver? I think Hamilton said it best when talking about driver points, "It's not even close." George only had the benefit in 2022 because Lewis was doing a lot of the experimental work and radical setups to help understand the woeful car. George is not Lewis' heir apparent. As Max said recently, "George is really good at creating excuses." The kid talks way too much for being only a really good driver but far from being great.
In fairness to RB, it’s mainly the British press that are making a big stink about the Checo penalty situation.
I’m pretty sure none of that noise would be around if it were Mercedes or even any other team than RB.
Williams should announce if Logan continues for 2024 or not soon enough. The pressure is killing him.
He's been terrible. He really didn't deserve that seat In the first place anyway coming 4th in F2
News probably come AFTER the US GPs
If Logan Sargeant cannot stand that kind of pressure, they should help him out of his misery and just let him go. That would be the humane thing to do.
Alpine is such a mess. Why would they sacrifice Gasly at the end to favour Ocon? Makes no sense tbh
Creates drama for no reason
I would be mad as well to be honest. Im not an F1 driver but if I was an F1 driver I would NEVER purposefully let someone pass me. Even if it was my teammate or was for a “better strategy” in my opinion if you are going to pass someone you need to earn it.
Getting Top 5 right deserves two points for sure especially when Tom went for so many easy Max points.
I’m all for 1 bonus point if you get the top 5 correct, but needs to work retroactively for every prediction this season! Also provides slightly more waffle for my ears ❤️
yes
Isn't Russell the one who wanted the one-stop strategy?
But tbh there was no chance Ham would catch Leclerc so it would've been better for Merc to keep 5th and 6th, but instead it's now 5th and 7th.
but russell's speed was dropping rapidly. Sainz would have passed them both. They should have made the switch earlier on so Hamilton could have caught up with leclerc and had george pit
@@asunbeam5479 they should've, but instead they decided to wait and then swapped them when Russell would be a sitting duck. At that point it made sense to keep ham behind coz sainz didnt have a big delta advantage on lewis and with a bit of racecraft, they could've secured a 5 and 6. Oh well.
@@yanikdavid3708 Problem is you think what Sainz did is easy. Sai was faster and almost crashed into back of Ham a few times.
@@MrBashem I'm not denying that it isn't easy but it wouldn't have been impossible.
I don’t think Lawson should be too sad about not getting that alpha tauri seat quite yet. Because there’s a good chance Ricardo is in Perez’s seat before/during the summer break 2024
Or that Lawson himself is.
He shouldn't worry. Unless a generational talent (or generational money lol) appears, he's pretty much guaranteed for 2025.
He only has to worry about what he's going to do in 2024, and how would he keep growing and not hamper his potential. So, RB, please take care of Lawson.
I think RB is taking it's time to avoid having another DeVries situation.
@I almost hope for Lawson that he doesn’t go straight to Red Bull, because I think that could tank his progress
Truth is RB is in a driver crisis. Checo is bad, yuki doesn't have the temperament, Liam doesn't have the experience, Daniel isnt in top form. Max is so elite, he's covering a giant problem
I was wondering.
Do you guy's (Specially Matt) ever by mistake say "Welcome at the WTF1 podcast"?
34:00 I love the cooldownroom. Especially this one. That "beauuuutiful" on that outside overtake from Piastri tells you these guys love to see good racing almost as much as actually doing the racing.
Bonus points for getting the top 5 correct. I agree, let's go Matt
baku 2017, kimi and perez rejoined the race after driving back to the garage and retiring, the race threw a red flag and they were able to fix their cars and go out. They received penalties for working on the car in the fast lane though, and both were unable to finish the race anyway due to damage.
This is where that iconic kimi radio 'Gloves and steering wheel" originated
Russell was desperate to try and drive his car back to the garage after silverstone 2022 to try and do the same thing, even though he left his car, as long as the marshalls didnt tow him
If Ricardo wasn't out injured, Perez would be 100% gone. If Ricardo recovers, Petez has maybe 1-2 races to save his seat
Your going to see him all 2024 in that Red Bull seat Ricardo won’t get out of AT
@omarsalcido8891 Red Bull have dropped people for less. Red Bull can't afford performance like that best season as its only a matter of time before other teams close the gap. The other side of things they'll lose Lawson if they don't find him a seat. They may promote Tsunoda, leading Ricardo and Lawson at Alfa Tauri?
Checo is one of my favorite drivers whom I really root for, but man he’s in a major funk!
Wonder If Tommy is going to give checo more than a 1/10 😂.
2/10 for him going out for a second time lol
Checo should be erased from the rating after last week
Both him and Sargeant.
It's gonna be a big fat 0
Stroll will get a better score than Perez and Sargent combined.
Give matt the bonus points Tommy also thanks for answering my tweet first ❤
Russel asked for his strategy. He always want to be a hero. And it went wrong. Again.
He's chancing it for results. Would be great if more people had similar inclinations.
There wasnt really anything else for him to do if he wants a podium there than to gamble on it. It wasnt the right call with tyres going away enough that he couldnt keep delta before pitting, but he didnt realistically lose a single position in the end for it. If he went for a 2 stop he probably was finishing 7th anyway, maximum 6th ahead of carlos maybe.
@@FrancisFjordCupola Others don't want to fail
Gasly and Albon just goes to show that, while Logan and Piastri might "disprove" the rookie thing, there's a lot to be said for stepping away or losing your chance and taking the time to mature at the level vs being thrown in to the top teams. It could be less that the rookie thing is true or false, but that there are two types of rookies...
This has to be the only sport where running 2nd in championship can get you fired.
People get fired for coming second, aka losing in the championship game/series constantly in team sports.
Well the championship is not done yet, and 1 more DNF or botched qualy from Sergio will make the fight very close. Lewis is 33 behind currently, that is not a lot considering the form Sergio showed lately. Plus it is always relative, if you have a rocket ship while everyone else drive a bicycle then even coming under threat during the season is a bad performance, next year will probably be no where near as dominant (Unless Newey wakes up one day and decides that peace is not an option, who knows).
That's not why he might get fired. It's the only reason he hasn't been yet.
@@megalamanooblol People said that last year too lol.
Matt 100% deserves a bonus point
At this point, hopefully Daniel comes back and is lights out awesome and they just put him in the second seat for next year and drop Perez. Then you can put Liam in that other Alpha seat and Max can go on and win everything all by himself next year too, hahaha.
Love this podcast, you're enthusiasm is infectious and you always provide insightful analysis. P.s. Matt you deserve a bonus point for your top 5 prediction 😁
A problem we have in judging whether Checo can stay or not is 'Does Red Bull care about the Constructors'.
In 2021 Max won the Drivers, but Mercedes won the Constructors, and the reactions from both sides showed which championship was more important. Red Bull were celebrating with Max despite having lost the Constructors, while Merc 'celebrated' winning there 8th consecutive Constructors Championship by angrily hunting down Michael Masi after his controversial decisions arguably cost Hamilton the Drivers.
Abu Dhabi 2021 exposed what we all deep down have always known, the Constructors doesn't matter and all that matters to the big teams is the Drivers Championship. As long as Max wins the Drivers Championship it doesn't really matter where Checo finishes. As a result, does it really matter who sits in the other Red Bull car.
it does matter... as he needs not to be someone who could bother Verstappen and interpose with his racing and his wins.
Constructors matters more to the employees as they all get a bonus from winning it. The Drivers Championship is more prestigious and everyone on the grid knows that!
Yeah that’s not the race to use as your main example lol
@@eugenuxwhy would red bull want someone to challenge max?.
This is a horrible take lmao. When staff bonuses are tied to winning the constructor's championship, it will matter to the entire team, not to mention, being able to represent yourself as being part of the best team on the grid. Winning the WDC is usually given greater celebration because it advertises your car and driver's dominance more and is a more 'human' achievement as its tied quite literally to 1 human being. Jumping to the conclusion that you landed on based off of just that, is weird af.
I disagree with Tommy:
A penalty is called penalty because it is supposed to be a PENALTY!
I have a feeling that Checo has effectively said "Ferkit" and given up on Red Bull after this race!
After Singapore I guess that's mutual. Checo just seems to have lost his ability to have a clean race. Maybe he already is informed about his fate at the end of this season. Can't imagine any other reason for his lacking current form.
Getting top 5 definitely deserves an extra points Matt wheel knowledge were pn point this weekend
Enjoyed the podcast lads
the perez 2 laps thing was kinda mad but from my *very limited* understanding of the sporting regulations for people who are still confused: a car isn't considered retired from a race until the leader has passed the checkered flag, as perez was able to drive back into the pits on his own (i.e. no marshalls touched the car), his car was still technically part of the race right up until verstappen finished. mechanics are allowed to touch/work on the car insider their "defined garage area" to their hearts content, with further limitation added to their pit box (no refuelling etc.).
It would not be a bad idea if DR was back in AT and suddenly RB needed a reserve driver and they put Lawson there just to see what would happen.
that would be a very bad idea actually. The dude does a few races and now suddenly you want him in the RB seat? I don't know what you've been smoking but that's not gonna happen.
But that’s what Redbull is doing now.
So what would they learn by subbing Liam in for Daniel again that they haven’t already learnt since Zandvoort?
@@MaxFromSydney1thing is putting Yuki or Liam in the RB will very likely be a Gasly, Albon situation. Ricardo is a lil more experienced so who ever impresses next year in the AT will get the 2nd RB seat in 25. Liam might be a wildcard for 25 if he does get loaned to Williams for next year and impresses or possibly bests Albon.
@@yanikdavid3708 Honestly skill wise I think Yuki could go to RB next year, the problem is that he is still hasnt chilled out enough, he is much better than previous years, but still not there, in 2025 I think he will be ready. IMHO just put Daniel in RB for 2024 (see if the Honey Badger really still has it at the top with all possible motivation of a Championship), Liam + Yuki in AT for 2024. For 2025 just see how things shake out, ether Daniel proves he still got it and keeps the seat or Yuki goes in instead. This will allow Liam to get experience + gets you a free seat for a rookie.
@@MaxFromSydney1 Lawson will get his seat at AT next year and Daniel will get the RB seat. Checo will be out. Problem solved.
If they are clarifying this rule about unretiring after coming into the pit lane then they should not also allow repairing a car under red flag imo.
Lawson is 4-0 in on Sunday. Such a shame he doesn't have a seat (yet)
I wish RB would put Lawson in Perez’s car , that would be amazing
@@hittrewweuy7595or move yuki up and go lawson danny for a season
@@eliaelirko9849 Yuki doesn't have the temperament for a top team yet. Lawson doesn't have the experience. Daniel doesn't have the form
he has only done a few races though
Yes he's 4-0 up but some content is needed... The Netherlands he was slower than Yuki who just got screwed over by strategy. Italy and Singapore Yuki DNS/DNF through no fault of his own, and Japan they were inseparable the whole weekend and could easily have gone either way. He's doing an incredible job, but using that as a stat to claim he should have a seat is pretty meaningless.
Matt you get the bonus point. Great prediction!
You cant make a rule change mid season. But starting next, if you predict the top 5 correctly you should get extra points
I’m pretty sure George decided on the one stop strategy? It certainly sounded like the team were going along with his suggestion rather than them making a decision to “split” them so they didn’t race each other.
Lewis and Russell obviously hate one another. I can see one of them being moved on at the end of their contract.
Lewis hates anyone who isn't willing to play the role of sidekick.
When their personal interest comes in conflict, they both advocate for their own race. I don't see any evidence that their relationship is hostile. I think fans are just overblowing it.
Very rarely are F1 teammates any sort of good friends unless its clear theres a difference in their level. It was easy for Gasly to be friends with Tsunoda when Tsunoda was new and wasnt at his current level yet because he was the clear star. Same with Alonso being friendly and nice about Stroll at the start of the season, bc he is second and Stroll comfortably behind, but I guarantee if Stroll and Alonso were equal terms and fighting for those p2's among themselves they wouldnt have been such buddies.
Matt definitely deserves a bonus point
Getting the Top 5 is wild! Matty should get the extra point
Gasly's perspective:
Qualified ahead of Ocon.
Ahead of Ocon most of the race.
Would have passed Ocon anyway in those final laps since Gasly has comparitively fresh rubber.
I guess that frustration is kind of justified, doesn't matter whether he is fighting for P1 or P19.
(Not Alpine/Gasly's fan).
Give Matt the Bonus Point 🙂
Definitely atleast 1 extra point for Matt getting the whole top 5 right
There's a big difference between Perez and Max. It was shown the best in Singapore when they both were getting throught midfield.
Max realises his and his cars potential, sticks behind his rival and waits for most "popular" overtaking spots on the track, does the job easly and repeats.
Perez seems very desperated and wants to make the move as fast as possible, when It's better to wait.
In reality, Max made his own overtaking spot in a different position to where it usually happens. What's the real difference is that Max can reign himself in and unleash himself at right moment. Look at that last stint for example... what gap did he have to Leclerc? Nothing left of it at the end of the race. Pitted just one lap too late.
hi guys, love you two but could you please give us time stamps in the video description with the topic chapters you're talking about? I don't always have the time to listen to the full thing and would really appreciate if I still could stay up to date with your thoughts and opinions. Keep up the good work, really happy for you that you started your own thing with p1 and got the recognition and traction that you deserve for your hard work and personalities.
Everybody is celebrating Redbull winnig the constructors and Max almost winning the Drivers championship. Sad that nobody is celebrating my man winning the UFC Motor Weight championship!
If you get all too 5 predictions right it should be an extra 5 points. Insanely rare and should be rewarded with BIG points.
Poor Perez, if only his father owned the team he would be feeling much more confidant of keeping his seat..
If Gasly had finished ninth and had gotten that 1 extra point, he'd come level with Stroll in the driver standings
Definitely one extra point for mat! Top 5 was absolutely on point!
I thought right away when they confirmed Daniel and Yuki that there was a small chance that they might try Lawson in Perez's seat. Probably a bad idea but RB likes to play mental games and throw young drivers into high-stress situations just to see if they survive.
Daniel would never stay at AT if he thought RB wasn't a real chance. If they bump Liam over him, he might not stay..
People being confused about that Perez going back out deal is because the Damn Sky Sports Broadcast made a big deal about it,,Crofty brought it up then Ted Kravitz comes on and starts talking about it like it was something wrong and controversial.. In the old days drivers could crash out and get into the back up car and race again
Lol its simply in the rules. The fact that RBR knows that and Skysports dont 😂 And RBR had contact with race director before they send Checo out again as well. It was checked by race director before hand lol Skysports cant handle the fact that RBR knows the rule book so well....
MATT GETS A BONUS POINT.. I DONT MAKE THE RULES
Massive job from McLaren
I thought it was silly when team orders were banned and the teams were clearly doing it anyway with all this thinly coded language but now the drivers begging on the radio is totally out of control. Let me pass my teammate, tell my teammate not to pass me, if you don't let me finish ahead of my teammate I'll have a tantrum. Nearly all the drivers do it now except for the Haas guys and it's so weak.
Perez ... the new Torpedo.
Piastri ... the new Kimi.
I must admit that the thought that Perez was trying to get himself sacked went through my mind more than once. Underwhelming in quali (again), the incident at the start (though tbh, he was pushed from the right into Hamilton, two penalties because of mistakes/bad driving... Three noses! I did wonder if they'd have any left for Max should someone he was lapping (Perez?) do something stupid.
Genuine question here: do you think he's trying to trigger a contract clause which states they have to give him money to go away, as opposed to him needing to pay them if he wants to leave before his contract runs out?
Before Singapore, that hadn't entered my head. I'd thought he was just trying too hard to keep up with Max. That came from an interview on Channel 4 _in Austria_ with Horner, who said that they were trying to get him to recognise that he'd already essentially screwed himself over regarding the championship, so take it easy and second place in said championship should come naturally to him (needless to say I'm paraphrasing and Horner was a lot more tactful than me). He was saying that there were possible wins available for him _if_ he didn't keep falling off the track (he has/had been free to race Max, at least in the first half of the season).
The media aren't helping - as usual - by speculating about his future (I'm not the media and he won't be reading this comment!), undoubtedly piling up more pressure on him. And he has the weight of the expectations of an entire country on top of him, which can't be helping. I'm afraid that he's cracked, or getting close to it, and he's not up for it any longer. This is a sad thought and not one I am saying with a single iota of pleasure. But he's not doing himself any favours, and he's reminding me of Danny Ric at McLaren. Only I don't think he's got an old team ready to help him out in the way RB has done for Danny. 🙁
Extra point for full top 5 is absolutely deserved!
Yes, getting the top 5 correct is amazing. :D But you need to add it to your race predictions episode to count. :D
I definitely think they need to ban the penalty loophole, otherwise they're just not being penalised for taking someone out on track.
Yes. Especially if the car is retired. Once retired that's it. You've decided to exit the race and you can't come back in, for whatever reason.
@@peterkitts8815I think it should depend on when the penalty was issued. If the driver gets penalized while out on track, and fails to serve the penalty, then it should go to the next race as a grid drop. If they get a penalty after returning to the garage, they should get an opportunity to go back out on track and serve the penalty within a certain amount of laps completed by the leader, and once that lap limit is up, then it goes to the next race. Or something like that.
This is assuming that 1) the rules should be changed (I honestly don’t think they should, this is just an idea for if it does get changed), and 2) the car makes it back to the grid on its own merit and not with intervention by track marshals or other drivers or whatever.
Do you do the same thing for drivers finishing 11th or lower since they're not getting penalized if they drop from 11 to 12? What about if the driver is 10 sec ahead and gets a 5 sec penalty? They're "not being penalized" either. Reality is there have always been penalties that were meaningless within the context of the race they were given, this is just another one.
@@peterkitts8815 I personally think it's inappropriate for a car to go back on track once they are over 2 laps down. In order to catch up they would require a red flag or similar intervention, so I think they'd just be driving hundreds of kilometres for no reason.
For the top 5 bonus points, personally I would add an extra point for each correct guess following first place.
In other words, correctly predicting 1st and 2nd would give 3 points. Correctly predicting the full top 3 would give 5 points.
Correctly predicting the Top5 would give 9 points.
Sure it's a lot but how likely is it to nail all of those exact placements?
Yes, Matty should get an extra bonus. It's not often that Matty is right, so let's be kind just this once. 😄
I think from Gasly's perspective it's all about finishing ahead of his team mate in the driver championship and every point counts for an Alpine driver. No one asks how and why u got beaten by your team mate at the end of the year. No ones gonna remember "ah yes Gasly is only one point down compared to Ocon because he let him through in Suzuka."
Only thing anyone's ever gonna remember and notice is who beat who in the team mate comparison.
Perez out Lawson in, 2024. Who's with me 😎
Yess either him or lando
@DianSwart Lando couldn't handle the abuse to his fragile ego
Lawson looks good but I feel Verstappen would crush him. Would prefer to see Norris in that Red Bull instead. Unlikely untill 2025 though. I would have replaced Tsunoda with Lawson for 2024.
@@FS02TER naah, Noris is settled ar McLaren, as I see it, what Max is to RB is Norris to McLaren
Constructors championship
400 - Max Verstappen
305 - Mercedes
285 - Ferrari
223 - Sergio Perez
174 - Fernando Alonso
172 - McLaren
84 - Alpine
21 - Williams
12 - Haas
10 - Alfa Romeo
5 - Alpha Tauri
perez is riding the wheels off that car
And the wheels off every other car around him
No he is driving the FRONT WINGS off the car....
Thanks guys for the good discussion. The discussion brought me to the realization - Valtterie Bottas would be the perfect teammate to Verstapen. He is okay with being 2nd and a big team player and would be consistently on the first row. Hamilton/Russel, Lecler/Sainze, Hamilton/Bottas - show that a solid number 2 with a young superstar (Versttapen) is the winning package. Riccaridio would have a hard time being a team player and has been up and down. Liam /Tsunoda are too big a risk for now.
I’ve never seen someone have so many terrible results while getting 2nd in the championship. At this point I’m sure it’s part of RB’s plan to give Max the record for largest gap between 1st & 2nd
Yeah im sure RB remote controlled Perez from the pit wall to crash into KMag. Stupidest tinfoil hat theory Ive heard.
I didn't think when Lando was being 100% serious when he responded to the question about the driver pairing being "Strongest" during the pre-weekend interviews.
Pretty sure it was a tongue and cheek normal Lando-type answer to being put on the spot.
Dude add some timestamps
Bonus point for the top 5. I vote yes. That's wild!
It would be great to see Verstappen partner with Alonso before he retires. I think Alonso would really push Verstappen to the limit more than any other driver. Alonso just needs a good car to show what he can do.
Prime Alonso sure this Alonso nah.
Verstappen doesn't need another driver to push him. He always drives on the limit. He couldn't really care who is in the car next to him. But RB would never bring a driver that can create chaos in the team, why would they? They have Max.
concerning gasly's incident when they told ocon to let him pass he asked if they will switch again if he cant pass alonso and after some time they agreed but left that part of the plan when they talked to gasly which means he wasnt aware of the full picture so his frustration is understandable from his perspective
Nyck devries in the alfa tauri has been more impressive than checo in the rb
BS Sergio was winning 2 Grand Prixs while Devries was crashing out on his own.
17:15 Looking back at the streams of Checo, I wonder if he actually served his penalty. He came out; did one lap and come in; he directly switched off his engine and his team touched the car immediately without waiting for 5 seconds. Wonder if the rule is something like: if you get a penalty after DNF, then it will be transformed into a grid penalty. Then by driving after getting te penalty he could nullify it.
He went out, came in, did pitstop with 5sec penalty (yes another one than the one which WAS shown on live stream), went out again and again came in pits to retire. It simply wasnt shown on tv. Look at the onboard of Checo on F1TV
CHECO WASNT DNF.... thats the difference. He was in the garage, they repared the steering and the front wing and he was send out again. He wasnt DNF.
@@gealingeman8643For sure he was out of the car. George wasn’t allowed to continue his race after stopping in Silverstone and checking on Zhou. And if I’m not mistaken DNF was shown on TV
@@gealingeman8643and I checked this on F1TV. The replay (selecting Checo’s camera) didn’t show a normal stop; only a get-out-get-in-retire