As an atheist, I approve of your performance here, Travis. Excellent work as usual, but I could not sit through this after a few minutes. I may have to believe in a god after all, because the patience you exhibited here, to walk through basic things like this, requires a -dare I say it- Divine level of patience…a kind of patience that transcends all human understanding and reason. I commented for the algorithm and give you thumbs up to do my part, but I can’t sit through any more of this.
Sounds like you need to lengthen your attention span sir! Want to have as legendary patience as Travis? Try sitting through all videos posted on this channel. (I’ve done this)
@@zachlemon6081 I can’t recall exactly how I first came across him. It may have been seeing him engage Aaron from Apologia I think? I also watch Ostler and Boylan and a few other LDS I think are worth listening to.
I know I say this a lot, but I’m grateful for these videos. They’ve helped me in my studying, listening to the Holy Ghost and equipping me with another perspective. I’m happy I found this channel. I appreciate you, brother.
I think you are doing better at not let them dangle too long on the rope of doubt. It often takes them far too long to realize that your alternative to their blind faith isn't atheism, but rather Mormonism and revelation. It takes them forever (or never) to understand you are offering Mormonism as the out, as they don't yet know what Mormonism is.
I was 10 minutes in and I got in a head on collision yesterday while listening to this. The other vehicle was on the freeway driving into oncoming traffic.
@@missionarydiscussions1286 I'm doing fine, thanks. Not sure about the other driver though. I'll finish this episode today (hoping it's not a bigger wreck than the one I was in 😂)
He seems to have a fragile faith. If one thing is wrong, it is all wrong? That is what creates Atheists who once stood strong as believers. Fear seems to be the central issue with this mindset. He attacks and says you are sounding like an Atheist when we see he has not thought about his position.
Was painful to watch just how ignorant he was of his own ignorance. You were trying to teach him and he was blind and deaf to it and unable to comprehend what level you were teaching him on.
The person Travis is talking to is clearly clueless about what he believes. However, it was very interesting to hear Travis discuss his views on the Bible at length. It’s fascinating that, despite being a Christian/Mormon, Travis is willing to admit that the Bible contains errors and is not inerrant. I’m curious why he still believes the Bible is the word of God, given its many issues. He did mention not throwing the baby out with the bath water but what gives him the confidence to still maintain faith? Is it because he believes the Book of Mormon is inerrant and uses its claims to support the Bible? I’d be interested in understanding this better because when Mormons talk about the Bible, it often sounds similar to what secular critical scholars say.
@@User28870 The Book of Mormon is also not inerrant, which the text specifically states. Why would a text need to be inerrant or infallible in order for it also to be viewed as scripture?
I wondered if it was explained to him that the prophet Joseph Smith did not write the BOM. Does he know the basics of what it really is? I’m hoping the missionaries taught him, but after listening to his ignorance about basically everything, he’s probably been taught that several times over. Something’s just not connecting in his head.
Travis, is the word of God perfect? Why would God intend that His children receive improper instruction or fallible commandments? Scripture, being a compilation of Gods word, does include it. You can make this claim without saying the whole book is fully infallible. I’m also a member.
@@missionarydiscussions1286 Okay. Let me try to be more clear, sorry. By the way, I want to know what you genuinely think about this. I believe in modern revelation and the authority of prophets. I see a perspective that we, as members, should respect and convey in a way that evangelicals can understand, showing that we are aligned on certain core beliefs. Here's what I think… We need to communicate to others that God’s word *is* perfect and *is* infallible. While we believe that man can sometimes interject his own doctrines into scripture, this does not alter the reality that true scripture-true doctrine-is perfect. It wouldn’t be incorrect if a non-member said, ‘The Bible is God’s Word.’ What they are affirming is that God’s truth can be spoken, transmitted, and compiled into the Bible. This understanding isn’t contradictory to what we believe, but rather a foundational truth that we share. Right?
His claim that one prophecy needs to be proven wrong and he'll stop believing in the Bible is stupid. 2 Kings: 3 shows a prophecy where God literally promoses that Isreal will defeat Moab, and then they lose to Moab. Guess the whole Bible is wrong. 🤷♂️
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Travis you have incredible patience
I'm 7 minutes in and I'm not sure how this goes on for another hour.
As an atheist, I approve of your performance here, Travis.
Excellent work as usual, but I could not sit through this after a few minutes. I may have to believe in a god after all, because the patience you exhibited here, to walk through basic things like this, requires a -dare I say it- Divine level of patience…a kind of patience that transcends all human understanding and reason.
I commented for the algorithm and give you thumbs up to do my part, but I can’t sit through any more of this.
How did you come across his content?
Sounds like you need to lengthen your attention span sir! Want to have as legendary patience as Travis? Try sitting through all videos posted on this channel. (I’ve done this)
Fine-tuning and Travis' patience are the strongest arguments for a God, methinks
@@savsmaster4183 I think you missed that this is evidence of divine intervention, and not a question of attention span.
@@zachlemon6081 I can’t recall exactly how I first came across him. It may have been seeing him engage Aaron from Apologia I think?
I also watch Ostler and Boylan and a few other LDS I think are worth listening to.
"you're happy with your self imposed ignorance..." best line of the discussion
I know I say this a lot, but I’m grateful for these videos. They’ve helped me in my studying, listening to the Holy Ghost and equipping me with another perspective. I’m happy I found this channel. I appreciate you, brother.
0:48 stop it Travis. Don’t confirm my suspicions 😅
Great job Travis. I learn so much from these discussions!
Travis, your editing is getting more and more spot on XD
I love the clips in between.
I don't know how somebody can live their life with a self-imposed ignorance and not feel bad in any way.
I think you are doing better at not let them dangle too long on the rope of doubt. It often takes them far too long to realize that your alternative to their blind faith isn't atheism, but rather Mormonism and revelation. It takes them forever (or never) to understand you are offering Mormonism as the out, as they don't yet know what Mormonism is.
Awesome job Travis 🙏♥️👍
Travis “Infinite Patience” Anderson strikes again
I’m concerned that Chad is not a Chad.
Real
"Dear eight-pound, six-ounce, newborn infant Jesus, who doesn't even know a word yet-little infant, so cuddly but still omnipotent" 😂
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Lol
Scholarized is a word now! I’m going to use it.😂
I was 10 minutes in and I got in a head on collision yesterday while listening to this. The other vehicle was on the freeway driving into oncoming traffic.
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I'm so sorry. I hope you are OK and get any help you need.
@@missionarydiscussions1286 I'm doing fine, thanks. Not sure about the other driver though. I'll finish this episode today (hoping it's not a bigger wreck than the one I was in 😂)
This seems almost like he worships the Bible.
Around 34 minutes in, I think he starts to see how little he thought about what he believes.
He seems to have a fragile faith. If one thing is wrong, it is all wrong? That is what creates Atheists who once stood strong as believers. Fear seems to be the central issue with this mindset. He attacks and says you are sounding like an Atheist when we see he has not thought about his position.
Interesting
Should have just said, "I can see this conversation is going nowhere" and bowed out at minute 5. Dude was not equipped for this discussion.
It starts to get really painful when he is asked to use sources.
Was painful to watch just how ignorant he was of his own ignorance. You were trying to teach him and he was blind and deaf to it and unable to comprehend what level you were teaching him on.
The person Travis is talking to is clearly clueless about what he believes. However, it was very interesting to hear Travis discuss his views on the Bible at length. It’s fascinating that, despite being a Christian/Mormon, Travis is willing to admit that the Bible contains errors and is not inerrant. I’m curious why he still believes the Bible is the word of God, given its many issues. He did mention not throwing the baby out with the bath water but what gives him the confidence to still maintain faith?
Is it because he believes the Book of Mormon is inerrant and uses its claims to support the Bible? I’d be interested in understanding this better because when Mormons talk about the Bible, it often sounds similar to what secular critical scholars say.
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The Book of Mormon is also not inerrant, which the text specifically states.
Why would a text need to be inerrant or infallible in order for it also to be viewed as scripture?
Travis why you trolling me with all these ads😭
I wondered if it was explained to him that the prophet Joseph Smith did not write the BOM. Does he know the basics of what it really is? I’m hoping the missionaries taught him, but after listening to his ignorance about basically everything, he’s probably been taught that several times over. Something’s just not connecting in his head.
Why did the sisters send this guy over…
I don’t understand a word from Chad.
Travis, is the word of God perfect?
Why would God intend that His children receive improper instruction or fallible commandments?
Scripture, being a compilation of Gods word, does include it.
You can make this claim without saying the whole book is fully infallible.
I’m also a member.
I don't understand what you wrote.
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Okay. Let me try to be more clear, sorry.
By the way, I want to know what you genuinely think about this. I believe in modern revelation and the authority of prophets.
I see a perspective that we, as members, should respect and convey in a way that evangelicals can understand, showing that we are aligned on certain core beliefs.
Here's what I think…
We need to communicate to others that God’s word *is* perfect and *is* infallible. While we believe that man can sometimes interject his own doctrines into scripture, this does not alter the reality that true scripture-true doctrine-is perfect.
It wouldn’t be incorrect if a non-member said, ‘The Bible is God’s Word.’ What they are affirming is that God’s truth can be spoken, transmitted, and compiled into the Bible. This understanding isn’t contradictory to what we believe, but rather a foundational truth that we share.
Right?
His claim that one prophecy needs to be proven wrong and he'll stop believing in the Bible is stupid. 2 Kings: 3 shows a prophecy where God literally promoses that Isreal will defeat Moab, and then they lose to Moab. Guess the whole Bible is wrong. 🤷♂️
"Infallible" word of God ? To my non denominational friends who sold Jospeh to Egypt the Ishmalites or the Midianities?