Dude Travis, thank you so much for posting all these discussions. You have brought so much clarity to my mind on how to view the gospel and theology in general. You have a gift man. PLEASE keep posting!!
@@missionarydiscussions1286 One of the most common arguments aimed against Latter-day Saints that comes from Born Again Evangelist Christians is 'You can't trust your feelings.. And they will quote 'The heart is deceitful above all things' passage' and completely ignore or forget about Luke Chapter 24:32 which talks about how revelation from God is received by the witness of the power of the Holy Ghost through our feelings. And So no man can say that Jesus is the Christ except by the power and witness of the Holy Ghost. Their reasoning not to trust the Holy Ghost makes no sense. But this is really what all these arguments are aimed against. Continuing Revelation from God from prophets yet it says in Joel 3:15-20 that in the last days the Lord will speak from out of zion his voice (modern revelation from prophets in Zion.). In other words there will be continuing revelation coming down from the Lord in the last days from Zion while Born Again Evangelists Christians run around saying A Bible, A Bible, we have a Bible, there can be no more Bible, there is no continuing revelation today because they are too busy looking for just Jesus instead of looking for that Kingdom of Zion that the Lord had promised that the meek and poor and lowly of heart shall put their trust in..
Thank you for these videos Travis! I have learned so much from your discussions. I would love to see you on Ward Radio, Stick of Joseph, CWIC Media, or Thoughtful Faith. More people need to hear from you!
I found your channel around 3 weeks ago - and have since listened to every video. Thank you for the work you are putting into this… especially the memes 😂😂 Do you have a list of recommended books and/or authors? I know you’ve mentioned some throughout your videos, but I’m usually driving when I listen. You have inspired me to study more!
Witnessing Miracles by Josh Gehely applies the Minimum Facts argument to the Book of Mormon in parallel with the resurrection argument to the benefit of both.
Excellent point about the Holy Ghost giving positive witnesses, not negative. It seems to me one of the big mistakes we can make in dealing with antagonists is to engage them as if they were acting in good faith. When they say "I'm just asking questions" or similar things, they're making a bid for emotional manipulation: asking us to take them at their word - supposedly because that's the charitable thing to do. They're asking us to make ourselves vulnerable, which I don't believe is ever a wise thing to do. In any case, *We do not owe vulnerability to antagonists.*
Thank you for posting your discussions. Im glad to see some one doing what you do alongside missionaries and it helped me reignite my scriptural investigations. How did u get on the missionaries' doctrine 911 line? Lol😂
This was hard to listen to since he even got Jeremy Runnels testimony wrong. He wrote a letter to the CES department and they never responded. So he posted it on a web sight. These were questions he had from doing research. He was also educated. Also the King Fallet thing he talks about you can read other writings that support the argument in the writings of Brigham Young in the general discourse page 93. Talking about how you can become a god of your own planet or a son of god.
Given the nature of the “CES Letter” it is doubtful that the official narrative around the story of it is true, the letter wasn’t mere questions it was a huge gish gallop, likely by the time he “wrote” it he didn’t really believe in the Church’s truth claims and just did so for clout, compiling most criticisms of the Church’s truth claims especially surrounding the Book of Mormon into one volume of text. And although CES hasn’t made a response, numerous individuals and organizations have made comprehensive responses to the CES letter which includes but isn’t limited to FAIR, Jim Bennet(who was a seminary teacher at one point which makes him a part of CES), the person Travis mentioned, The Light and Truth Letter, among others. None of which Jeremy has responded to other than saying that(I’m paraphrasing here) “They’re unofficial therefore they don’t count”. Furthermore the Journal of Discourses isn’t a reliable source, and even so idle speculation by one leader does not constitute doctrine, so “getting your own planet” isn’t doctrine, neither is “infinite regression” both are speculations and theories on matters based upon previously revealed revelation.
So clearly you as well as the person in this video have not even seen his argument. In his testimony about this he talks about his education as well as the amount of research he did. John dolyn from Mormon Stories even broke it down referencing lds web sights about the questions brought up by Jeremy and they are valid. Your response proves you have not read the ces letters. Also your response about the 2nd prophet of the lds church brigham young as not true is saying a lot about believing anything about the lds prophets. Its like hay a new prophet is here lets change the narrative now . There are colleges named after him but yet the Compilation of his sermons to the early LDS church are meaningless or false wow. I have also seen videos of other prophets saying the same thing as well “ As man now is,God once was as now god is, man may become”. It was also a known statement by Lorenzo Snow. I also remember this on the LDS web sight over 10 years ago. So your argument there actually hinders anything about believing anything from Joseph Smith to the present.
I'd recommend watching Ward Radios debunking of the origin of the CES Letter before making such a claim. Receipts included. A lot of the items included in the CES Letter weren't even Jeremy's own thoughts to begin with as he outsourced a lot of the information he included in it.
Why i have watched interview with Jeremy and John Dolyn. I have read the ces letters and believe they have a point and on top of that Jeremy was educated and this man said he was not. That is a lye. The movie he showed , i read archaeologist talking about it and they said the video showing this is more of a joke because you cant verify any of it and to say for 100% is a joke and it shows how much people want to believe something without actual certainty. I doubt you have even investigated his findings in the ces letters using sources outside of LDS sources. Jeremy used both and i doubt you even knew that.
Once again this man lied in this video Jeremy used recourses out side and inside church to gather this information. He was also educated. I doubt you even watched his interview on mormon stories. Also the god part you are telling me we should not care about what the 2nd prophet brigham young preached as well as many other of your prophets like snow. I saw years ago on LDS web sight as man now is, god once was, as now god is, man may be. On their web sight. So what you are saying to me is once a new prophet like Brigham young is gone what they preached is now not true and what ever is said by the new is fact. Also I have spoke. To many Mormons who say this teaching is true. I can even paste a video I found of one. So please it is very much grounded in your faith.
I don't care which religion is true anymore. I have friends who are Muslim, Hindu, and Christian. There's no way to know which religion is true, it must not matter to God because he didn't leave us any evidence. God could visit today and clarify. I'd be interested in that
@@Zdragon-sr9bc what is the evidence that would convince a Muslim or a Hindu? I assume you're Christian? There are 7 billion non Christians in the world because they don't have any reason to believe in Jesus
@@nathanbigler I invite you to read The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. That is huge evidence for it does matter to God. Can I post a link to it?
@@Shtinamin I've read the Bible and the Book of Mormon and some of the Qur'an. There's no evidence for God. There are stories about God. If that was evidence, there would only be one religion in the world
Dude Travis, thank you so much for posting all these discussions. You have brought so much clarity to my mind on how to view the gospel and theology in general. You have a gift man. PLEASE keep posting!!
Will do.
@@missionarydiscussions1286 One of the most common arguments aimed against Latter-day Saints that comes from Born Again Evangelist Christians is 'You can't trust your feelings.. And they will quote 'The heart is deceitful above all things' passage' and completely ignore or forget about Luke Chapter 24:32 which talks about how revelation from God is received by the witness of the power of the Holy Ghost through our feelings. And So no man can say that Jesus is the Christ except by the power and witness of the Holy Ghost. Their reasoning not to trust the Holy Ghost makes no sense. But this is really what all these arguments are aimed against. Continuing Revelation from God from prophets yet it says in Joel 3:15-20 that in the last days the Lord will speak from out of zion his voice (modern revelation from prophets in Zion.). In other words there will be continuing revelation coming down from the Lord in the last days from Zion while Born Again Evangelists Christians run around saying A Bible, A Bible, we have a Bible, there can be no more Bible, there is no continuing revelation today because they are too busy looking for just Jesus instead of looking for that Kingdom of Zion that the Lord had promised that the meek and poor and lowly of heart shall put their trust in..
This has been my favorite channel. I have watched and rewatched and studied these videos.
Thank you for these videos Travis! I have learned so much from your discussions. I would love to see you on Ward Radio, Stick of Joseph, CWIC Media, or Thoughtful Faith. More people need to hear from you!
100%
what do you think it would be best for him to speak about?
Travis has his own lane. Let him do what he does.
@@matthewnielsen3017 I personally think it would be great if he does reaction videos or something like that.
I love when people say having apostles leave Joseph would discredit him, I bring up Peter and the face they make😮
Better yet Judas
We also don't make the case that Joseph was perfect, or divine. If people left him, it isn't surprising, times were rough.
I could not have completed my mission without Travis
😂
I found your channel around 3 weeks ago - and have since listened to every video. Thank you for the work you are putting into this… especially the memes 😂😂
Do you have a list of recommended books and/or authors? I know you’ve mentioned some throughout your videos, but I’m usually driving when I listen.
You have inspired me to study more!
Witnessing Miracles by Josh Gehely applies the Minimum Facts argument to the Book of Mormon in parallel with the resurrection argument to the benefit of both.
Excellent point about the Holy Ghost giving positive witnesses, not negative.
It seems to me one of the big mistakes we can make in dealing with antagonists is to engage them as if they were acting in good faith. When they say "I'm just asking questions" or similar things, they're making a bid for emotional manipulation: asking us to take them at their word - supposedly because that's the charitable thing to do. They're asking us to make ourselves vulnerable, which I don't believe is ever a wise thing to do. In any case, *We do not owe vulnerability to antagonists.*
But I get the same good feelings from reading Dr Suess books. So those are true, too. Thanks, Travis. I get to believe in make-believe now.
I like this video and keep making them. Learning a lot!
Just watched through, great video.
Helpful video Travis!
They’re following the script of the devil!
Much appreciate these kind of videos.
Thank you for posting your discussions. Im glad to see some one doing what you do alongside missionaries and it helped me reignite my scriptural investigations. How did u get on the missionaries' doctrine 911 line? Lol😂
Interesting!
Travis, that Plan of Salvation diagram in your background is awesome! Where did you find it?
I saw this guy on the apologia channel. He is a headcase
This was hard to listen to since he even got Jeremy Runnels testimony wrong. He wrote a letter to the CES department and they never responded. So he posted it on a web sight. These were questions he had from doing research. He was also educated. Also the King Fallet thing he talks about you can read other writings that support the argument in the writings of Brigham Young in the general discourse page 93. Talking about how you can become a god of your own planet or a son of god.
Given the nature of the “CES Letter” it is doubtful that the official narrative around the story of it is true, the letter wasn’t mere questions it was a huge gish gallop, likely by the time he “wrote” it he didn’t really believe in the Church’s truth claims and just did so for clout, compiling most criticisms of the Church’s truth claims especially surrounding the Book of Mormon into one volume of text. And although CES hasn’t made a response, numerous individuals and organizations have made comprehensive responses to the CES letter which includes but isn’t limited to FAIR, Jim Bennet(who was a seminary teacher at one point which makes him a part of CES), the person Travis mentioned, The Light and Truth Letter, among others. None of which Jeremy has responded to other than saying that(I’m paraphrasing here) “They’re unofficial therefore they don’t count”. Furthermore the Journal of Discourses isn’t a reliable source, and even so idle speculation by one leader does not constitute doctrine, so “getting your own planet” isn’t doctrine, neither is “infinite regression” both are speculations and theories on matters based upon previously revealed revelation.
So clearly you as well as the person in this video have not even seen his argument. In his testimony about this he talks about his education as well as the amount of research he did. John dolyn from Mormon Stories even broke it down referencing lds web sights about the questions brought up by Jeremy and they are valid. Your response proves you have not read the ces letters. Also your response about the 2nd prophet of the lds church brigham young as not true is saying a lot about believing anything about the lds prophets. Its like hay a new prophet is here lets change the narrative now . There are colleges named after him but yet the Compilation of his sermons to the early LDS church are meaningless or false wow. I have also seen videos of other prophets saying the same thing as well “ As man now is,God once was as now god is, man may become”. It was also a known statement by Lorenzo Snow. I also remember this on the LDS web sight over 10 years ago. So your argument there actually hinders anything about believing anything from Joseph Smith to the present.
I'd recommend watching Ward Radios debunking of the origin of the CES Letter before making such a claim. Receipts included. A lot of the items included in the CES Letter weren't even Jeremy's own thoughts to begin with as he outsourced a lot of the information he included in it.
Why i have watched interview with Jeremy and John Dolyn. I have read the ces letters and believe they have a point and on top of that Jeremy was educated and this man said he was not. That is a lye. The movie he showed , i read archaeologist talking about it and they said the video showing this is more of a joke because you cant verify any of it and to say for 100% is a joke and it shows how much people want to believe something without actual certainty. I doubt you have even investigated his findings in the ces letters using sources outside of LDS sources. Jeremy used both and i doubt you even knew that.
Once again this man lied in this video Jeremy used recourses out side and inside church to gather this information. He was also educated. I doubt you even watched his interview on mormon stories. Also the god part you are telling me we should not care about what the 2nd prophet brigham young preached as well as many other of your prophets like snow. I saw years ago on LDS web sight as man now is, god once was, as now god is, man may be. On their web sight. So what you are saying to me is once a new prophet like Brigham young is gone what they preached is now not true and what ever is said by the new is fact. Also I have spoke. To many Mormons who say this teaching is true. I can even paste a video I found of one. So please it is very much grounded in your faith.
I don't care which religion is true anymore. I have friends who are Muslim, Hindu, and Christian. There's no way to know which religion is true, it must not matter to God because he didn't leave us any evidence. God could visit today and clarify. I'd be interested in that
He did
@@Zdragon-sr9bc what is the evidence that would convince a Muslim or a Hindu? I assume you're Christian? There are 7 billion non Christians in the world because they don't have any reason to believe in Jesus
@@nathanbigler I invite you to read The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
That is huge evidence for it does matter to God.
Can I post a link to it?
@@Shtinamin I've read the Bible and the Book of Mormon and some of the Qur'an. There's no evidence for God. There are stories about God. If that was evidence, there would only be one religion in the world
@@nathanbigler I’m glad you’ve read those!
Did you inquire of the Lord to know if The Book of Mormon is true?