An Honest Update
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Lauren and Rob take you through an honest update on how things are going with implementing the ketogenic diet and other metabolic therapies for the treatment of Lauren's schizoaffective disorder.
Timestamps:
00:00 We're not used to vlogging!
01:03 Ketone levels and how I'm feeling and changes I've noticed
05:14 Rob's experience getting into ketosis and how he's feeling
06:25 Difficulties with insomnia
07:25 Reduction in inflammation and body changes
09:39 Struggling to hit fat intake
10:29 What this change in diet has been like
13:04 Addressing concerns around eating disorders and my experience so far (more to come in a future separate video on this)
12:44 Experiencing dissonance with understanding of what foods are "healthy"
17:35 Concerns around athletics on keto
18:49 Update on my psychiatric medication
20:38 How accessible is this type of therapeutic intervention for other people?
23:25 The importance of "buy-in" and commitment
25:56 How other metabolic therapies have already helped me and talking about my family's influence
27:38 Cost factor of this medical intervention?
29:19 What's next?
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do you recommend keto for person whos not eating much? I highly doubt its for everyone
I never had a support group but I stay engaged with people even though I like being alone. I know it’s good to have friends and to talk to people. It was zero degrees outside and I’m in a cabin with a little stove that brings the temperature up 30 degrees. Not too bad. I have to go back to the real world if I don’t get snowed in.
You do need to eat properly and take care of your health and ketosis in the long term is not healthy.
Thanks for your community! I'm meeting people like me, and it's sort of destigmatizing me towards my disorder because I'm learning that while I have a disorder that doesn't mean that i'm not also a normal person, which is cathartic.
You show that having Schizophrenia is something totally acceptable. It's no the terrible desease everybody used to be scared of. It changes my perception.
It really depends on how severe ill is... shes not having 24/7 of voices, psychosis, hallucinacions... stop being naive
@@J-_-S you say this like that's the typical, the reason she appears to be fine is because she's in remission like most people with schizophrenia, not because she has it 'less severe'
It's still terrible IMO. She would be done with her Master's by now without this.
@@J-_-Smedication helps
Schizophrenia has a wide range of manifestations. It depends a lot on what you were like before you became schizophrenic, that is if you were so fortunate as to have had a normal life. Your upbringing has a lot to do with how you respond to being schizophrenic. When you are schizophrenic, you are capable of doing anything that you think of doing but it doesn’t mean you will but you might. If you don’t have a mindset to do things that are bad and illegal you won’t be thinking of doing them. Still, there is a tendency of doing things that you wouldn’t do otherwise. This is why people are hospitalized because they get into trouble because they are a problem when suffering psychosis. It is 24/7 like the other person said so it just depends on how much trouble you get into. I never took medication so I can’t tell you about those kinds of reactions because I cured myself by ignoring the hallucinations and delusions so that they lost their power over me. I worked some forty years and I retired with a pension from working thirty years at a high security airport.
I was diagnosed with Schizoaffective Disorder 3 years ago at this point, and finding this channel has helped me feel not so alone in my struggle. I'm elated that you found something that works! I hope you find peace and happiness. Thanks for all the hard work y'all do on this channel! You give me hope for a brighter future. Keep it up! :D
I’ve struggled with SZD also. I often feel very alone. We are not!! Millions struggle with this medical neurological disorder. Wishing you peace, joy, and laughter in your life. ❤
you people only talk about your ego of feeling lonely, its only a part of problem you expierence
This is a good start but it is too soon to tell.
@@J-_-S Maybe that is a symptom that bothers them a lot. Who are you to judge?
Hi I also have Schizoaffective you are not alone ❤
Thank you for addressing accessibility. We are really struggling with this as a family. Finding mental health practitioners in Michigan willing and able to supports our exploration of metabolic therapy has been close to impossible. Watching your videos regularly - they are a source of hope and comfort!!
"has been close" a third word sync with Rob.. gouch man.. if you'd said "therapy" as I was reading above (user-ti-tr6sk4e) text.. be new personal best.. haven't sync'd over 4 words yet
Check out Metabolic Mind. They have a list of clinicians in the US that help with Keto therapies.
(I'm likely bipolar) I always get afraid when I start feeling better and more energized that it's a sign of mania. And I feel that my friends and family get concerned as well, it feels like I'm not going to ever be comfortable feeling good and uplifted without a nagging worry, and external judgement. It's so tricky, I'm super glad you're feeling well Lauren.
Our son experienced similar fears for years. But after 3 years on ketogenic therapy, he has been able to settle in to the fact that he is happy and energetic every day, and sleeps well every night. It's a true transformation after 5 years battling bipolar illness.
Please look into pasteurized dairy and or cow vs sheep/goat. My son has Schizoaffective disorder (possibly with bipolar) and I have a PhD in hard sciences and have researched all this a LOT. A peer reviewed journal publication from several decades ago, with medication resistant schizophrenia patients in the UK, found that positive symptoms went away when wheat and dairy were removed from their diet. They then returned when staff surreptitiously reintroduced these food items. Now, while they didn't specifically say, the dairy was likely pasteurized/homogenized, as well as cow based. Both of these are serious inflammation problems, & the peer reviewed citations of this assertion are in Dr. Catherine Shanahan's book "Deep Nutrition: Why Your Genes Need Traditional Foods".
My son has started a ketogenic diet around the same time as you, and we are focusing on raw sheep and goat dairy, largely sourced online and partly on sale. It is doable! In terms of gluten, the study may not have used sourdough, and perhaps had glyphosate contamination (1980s was the study publication date if I recall, not sure if they had grain from the US there but may have due to cost savings, and we started spraying around a decade sooner...)
Lastly, I had the same experience as your husband when I cut back on carbs in my 30's: greatly reduced joint pain. However, I recommend making real bone stock. It has FAR more bioavailable glucosaminoglycans than the typical pill offerings. It should gel up in your fridge. By the way, Dr. Shanahan's book is on Audible.
Oh, & I, like your partner, am also (mainly) doing the keto diet for now, but have been fat adapted for years. It took me a good 4 weeks to get past the tired phase when I first started time restricted eating, for what it is worth... Onwards!
Have you even looked into the impacts of gut flora on overall health?
To your points about accessibility: in addition to compliance, having the energy for meal prep, access to keto food options, etc., it seems that having someone in the external environment (such as Nicole) who can provide ENCOURAGEMENT would be important to success.
This experiment has inspired quite the peanut gallery in the comments, with people saying things like “you’re on a dangerous path,” or “this didn’t work for me so it won’t work for you,” or “you’re gonna trigger your ED,” or “you need carnivore/plant-based/vegan because that’s what I do.”
I know that when I hear that stuff from others, I tend to mentally internalize it, and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Having someone knowledgeable who could ground your thoughts and fears sounds like almost a requisite for success with dietary interventions as a self-determined treatment path.
Thanks for sharing, guys! I’d be curious to hear about your anaerobic training once you’re back in the gym. Best of luck to you! ❤
Very good point.
Is it free?
@@TammiJayneBodenham My understanding is that there would be some consulting fees involved in having a nutrition coach.
I have bipolar disorder and had a mental break in November. After seeing your videos, I decided to research and then asked my psychiatrist if she would be willing to have me try keto. I started keto and began feeling better really quickly! Even at a higher level of carbs. Thank you for giving all of us this information!! I’m excited to see how this changes the game for me.
I really appreciate updates like these. Because I always turn my nose up at people trying these diets and "my life has changed" and there is 0 context on what it is actually like for them. Like they're selling you a potion rather than responsibly documenting their experience and how it may be different from others. Helps me think very thoughtfully on how I would approach this diet, or if its something I'm willing to try.
I agree with whoever said that there should have been a discussion of pros and cons (ie possible risks) beforehand. Even when dietary changes are made for good medical reasons, they have potential risks. And with the keto craze going on at large, few influencers make those risks known. I am really thrown by the comment about “keto being an ED treatment.” I know there are studies out there on this subject but that’s even a super triggering thing to be throwing out to an audience who has expressed concerns about their own EDs. That’s really a conversation a person should have with their RD /treatment team because it could go so wrong so quickly. Also, a note about keto “reducing bloat.” Our bodies store glycogen from carbs, and glycogen molecules hold water. When we use up our glycogen stores, we lose the accompaniment weight from those water molecules. So that’s all that’s going on. It’s not as though “carbs cause bloating” or anything like that. People need to understand normal biology if they’re going to speak about this without inadvertently contributing to diet culture. Honestly, I am excited about keto being a potential treatment for many mental health issues, but it must be handled with care in the messed up culture we find ourselves in.
Thanks for this thoughtful update! It seems as if the two of you are balancing spinning plates while doing science experiments, taping presentations, raising children, and who knows what else! There’s probably a future for you in Cirque de Soleil! Holy Aerial Acrobatics! We here in your virtual cheering section appreciate you.
At the risk of being a busybody, I want to share some habits that help with sleep/circadian rhythm. View sunset light directly (not through a window) for 2 - 20 minutes. After you come back inside, wear blue-light-blocking glasses until you go to bed. Try to put devices away/stop watching tv at least one hour before going to sleep. In the morning, view sunlight directly for 2-20 minutes. Viewing sunrise is a wonderful, nourishing habit, but I think before 10AM works! Maintain consistent bedtimes and wake times as much as possible. This is a super powerful intervention -- taken mostly from Dr. Andrew Huberman's suggestions. Remember: Keto mimics fasting, fasting mimics sleep. Sleep is when our bodies heal and repair. Sleep is a HUGE factor. With all good wishes.
DR Andrew Huberman has an interesting channel with science based facts, but the promotions and RUclips ads annoys me.good to see others look for help in the medication route
Came here to say exactly that. I also find viewing light for 2-20mins around sunset outside and just minimizing internal lights after that has been really helpful getting sleep back on track. That and a hot shower at night, even in summer.
Interesting ideas, thanks for sharing! Would this technique work for early sunsets? I’m in Canada and the sun currently sets at 4:40 pm in my city.
Exactly the sleep / circadian habits my son keeps to great benefit. And long before Huberman! I learned about it via interpersonal and social rhythm therapy.
I'm not so sure that the advice is to wear blue blocking glasses all day, but certainly after the sun starts going down. One other thing that Huberman said is that viewing bright overhead lights after sunset can suppress the production of melatonin (messing with sleep onset), but that viewing light outdoors as sunset approaches is a strategy to mitigate that. I try to dim my home lights as much as possible in the evening, but on nights when we have a dinner out or some other after dark plans, this is a helpful tool.
I also have noticed a great improvement in my mood and energy level after starting the Keto diet. I'm so glad you decided to start this diet. It has helped my schizoaffective symptoms and my overall mental health. Thank you so much for sharing your journey!
Your videos are so great. I don’t have schizo-effective disorder but I work in an environment where it’s common and I really value learning about it from you. I’ve really gained a better understanding of the illness and I think it’s helped a great deal professionally to have a better perspective. Thank you so much. ❤ And I’m super excited for you that the keto diet has made such a positive change for you, and so early in the game!
I don’t have schizo affective disorder nor am I doing keto but I’m loving these vlogs! You guys are doing a great job, thanks for sharing your real life journey ❤
Thank you for addressing metabolic care to help mental health. Thrilled it’s helping you! Your goal to share knowledge of this is awesome. Thank you!💛
My oldest daughter was put on the ketogenic diet for her seizures n it was a godsend. She went from high double digit seizures a day(30-80) to 10 or less, we started weaning her off her seizure meds. Unfortunately when we moved back to florida we tried n tried but couldnt get her to continue so its went into the high numbers. But i am a strong proponent for the keto diet!❤ im rooting for u!
Thank you for the update from BOTH of you. Having those two perspectives is very helpful.
Thanks for sharing your journey! I love how you addressed peoples concern for EDs and how its important to look at the research if people are concerned. So happy for you that you found this therapy and that your sharing this with others🙏
Anyone with an ED or hx of one should be consulting with a nutrionist who knows you. Many with ED have OCD and this may not be appropriate for you.
One thing I've noticed is that you seem a lot happier! That in itself is a major plus! I wish you success in this journey. Thank you for all your help in educating people, and myself, with your videos.
Really glad you are documenting your journey! Such useful information! You are awesome! TY ❤
What you are doing is so encouraging! I shared your site with the parents of a young woman who is unmedicated and often unstable and out of control causing them and herself all kinds of problems. She binges on carbs, caffeine, cigarettes and sometimes drugs. Hoping they can get her hospitalized and stabilized. The ketogenic experiment sounds hopeful. So admire your husband joining you.
I have a family member who did this exact same thing, initially it helped them feel physically better, they still stick strictly to it, . Unfortunately they did become unwell although it may help in some ways for some ways I would like to see some long term research around mental illness, initially I think it was a distraction for them I personally don’t believe it is sustainable long term. This is just my own opinion having working in the mental health profession and having a close family member who did this and still does adhere to this lifestyle. I do wish you all the best, it would be great if a Dr could comment on research and outcomes. I do understand why your so invested, I do disagree that this lifestyle and new eating habits is a medical intervention as regards to treatment of mental illness, just because I’ve not seen long term studies that have shown long term benefits with this, keto is more expensive when you’re on a tight budget. I wish you all the best, my comment is simply my own personal observation and experience both personally and professionally, others may have had a different perspective, experience
I agree. There are no long-term studies on ketogenic diets and schizophrenia. My brother is a psychologist and has had a dozen or so clients try keto for schizophrenia or bipolar. A few said it helped, but nobody went into remission. Of course, that's just a tiny sample and is anecdotal, but there are no studies proving keto has long-term benefits for mental illness. A few people have claimed it has helped, but I believe Lauren is dramatically overestimating what keto will do for her. I find it very sad. She's concentrating on very one-sided information that is way too optimistic for the reality of this diet "curing" her mental health. She seems to believe she already needs less medicine and that she is becoming incredibly exhausted from excess antipsychotic medication. She is going to check with her doctor about lowering the dosage, according to her latest video. I think this won't end well. I understand completely why she is doing the diet and why she is hopeful. Schizophrenia is so difficult to live with...anyone would do the same as her if they thought it could cure this illness or dramatically reduce symptoms. I just don't think it will.
@@mygirldarby yes I agree, it’s complicated and complex condition that does change with symptoms at times, Lauren is like so many with the illness who resist taking medication, the side effects are unpleasant and unpredictable at times so it’s understandable to want something else to alleviate symptoms. I may be wrong, however I don’t think long term this will be good for her and by extension family. Only my personal opinion though.
You guys are an Inspiration and are doing the work of God. I first met this channel when I tought I had depression and I couldnt take a shower, so that video where you talk about that helped me a lot. And later on I was diagnosed with bipolar, and I resonated with you in a lot of levels, seeing you on this jorney inspired me, and now on 17th of July I´ll have my first consultation with a nutrition neurologist that specifies on metabolic therapies to help me out on my keto journey. May God bless you all!
You are both glowing and radiant! Keep going and so happy to see
y'all are doing great. I appreciate you keeping it real. Blessings to you and yours.
This is amazing Lauren! You look super healthy! Fair play, keep it up. Please keep is updated along your journey 😁
It's hard to do keto if your not in a calorie deficit so if you're staying in ketosis that's fantastic. For anybody who's trying to do it, you can get really weird side effects and insomnia for a couple weeks. it actually takes months of either fasting or keto for your metabolism to switch over to a fat priority. It takes longer if you're older too. Keep in mind if you don't have a good reason to do it it's not proven as a healthier diet than a high carb diet, but it's lifechanging for some people and a powerful lifestyle intervention for inflammation, some psychiatric/neurological and weight management issues. It likely is healthier than a balanced diet for a minority of people, but there isn't any evidence for that yet, but for certain symptoms it's clearly effective in some people.
Very true!
My daughter is autistic and I tried a gluten free diet but it did not help her
I was diagnosed with bipolar one last year. I sometimes heard a voice for a short time. I wasn’t in bed. I was in a rocking chair. I hope that your podcasts do well because I love watching them. My boyfriend says that he has auditory hallucinations. He has the same diagnosis as you. Thank you for helping me understand. I want to be compassionate and supportive. He is a really nice guy. We have been dating a lot.
OMG !!that’s great news for you guys❤ hoping for the best.
I am so glad you found this and are trying it. Metabolic therapies give me so much hope because I see how much it helped me in my own mental struggles. It's so important to explore ways which are independent of excessive medication and excessive identifying with these health conditions. Good luck!
Hi from New Brunswick 😊 You are one of my top 3 you tubers that I look forward to watching every week. I always enjoy your content no matter what it is. Don’t be too hard on yourselves ❤ . Your content is relatable in many ways, open and honest. I was genuinely curious about schizophrenia, since I don’t personally know anyone who has that diagnosis. I find it interesting to learn about and I think it’s given me more empathy and understanding about it. Thanks for sharing your lives with us.
I think you are articulating your content very well! You're an awesome couple.
Thank you for the work you do. My cousin passed away due to a tragic delusion and i always feel a bit like i didnt know him well but he was my dads brothers son. It makes me sad. It could have been me. Im glad youre bringing more awareness to mental illness and specifically schizoaffective disorder and schizophrenia
I've been following this channel for years and always appreciate the time and effort that so clearly goes into these videos. Thank you for sharing your experiences!
The black jeans are also *chefs kiss*!
You guys are SO cute!! Thank you again for sharing your journey....I feel so much better on KETO and have struggled with depression for 20 years.
I loved the format, the content and the honesty. Thank you two👌
This format is so good, I like this kind of videos, I find them very interesting and engaging
You guys look really good, your skin is glowing
they look stunning 💕✨
The whole process is very exciting!!! Thank you.
It's fantastic to see you doing so well, so quickly. Give it 3 months for both of you though before you write it off, it may just take a bit longer to adapt and see the benefits. Looking forward to all the other aspects of metabolic therapy you're going to explore, and the keto budget video as well
I'm grateful for you and your channel.. and I'm bipolar and I'm familiar with dr. Palmer work. So it's nice to see that you doing doing so well. Thank you so very much!❤
Diet is the driving factor behind most illnesses. There are huge ad campaigns to help us forget this very basic correlation.
I am glad you are feeling better on the keto diet. Wishing you continued success both with your health and RUclips channel. Sometimes it seems like you let your identity get wrapped up in one fact about you. Be happy and stay well.
Inspired. Very encouraged and optimistic for you. Keep up the good work. Excellent. ❤
You both look and sound great! From the outside looking in, I can definitely see why this dietary approach is of interest to both of you. Best of luck and I am happy for both of you! 👍👍
Thanks for doing these updates ❤❤
Thank you that was really helpful. I'm also attempting a keto diet so can relate to all your observations. Hesitant but empowered that I'm doing all I can to manage my mental health. Also good to see a flatter stomach 😊 xx
Nicely done video Rob and Lauren.
I think you are on the right track, be careful but stay the course! Wonderful people!
I don't have Schizoaffective or similar conditions but I did do keto for a while a few years ago and I definitely found that the positive effects for my severe anxiety, gut issues and general inflammation were enough by far to make the hard work feel much easier 💛 I eased into it over quite some time which really helped as well as I didn't get any keto flu etc.
My adult godson was diagnosed with Schizoaffective Disorder Bipolar Type anosognostic co-occurring and I can’t stand over him or ask him about his meds everyday
He’s been a train wreck. Help! I wish he would listen to your videos because I love how open and honest you are! That’s how I am with depression and anxiety.
lol "we DO talk off camera" thank you for continuing to share your life with us
my heart goes out to you Lauren
Thank you for sharing ❤ I did keto for 5 yrs. Worked and didn't work for me. I think it initially helped with my ED, but then eventually led to worsening it. I am vegan now and like this lifestyle more.
I’m vegan too! I’ve never considered going keto because it’s against my values, and I have gall bladder issues now so all of the fat would be catastrophic.
I hope, Lauren, that this is sustainable long-term for you. I hope with this way of eating it isn’t just something that feels really good initially in the beginning and then peters out over time. I wish you the best and I hope this improvement continues and lasts for you.
enjoy the journey guyz .. you are very sweet.. very challenging what you are going through.. happy for you keeping up..
My son has been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder Bi Polar type at age 14. He is also on the autism spectrum. He struggled with acute psychosis and was put on a monthly injection of paliperidone. He is a lot better now, but my concern is him being so young and on this medication. I don't know if he has a life long mental illness or if it was just a one off psychotic episode, where he became ill during the covid lockdown. I don't mind him being on this medication because it is really working. He is able to do homeschool and he is more self regulated, but my concern is long term effects. I am interested in looking at this diet for him but will need professional advise from his doctor and a nutritionist. Thank you for sharing this, I appreciate what you are doing and wish you Lauren and Rob the best of health. By the way, how will I get a teenager to stick to a particular diet, I don't know. He could try it himself when his more mature maybe?
Thank you guys.
Super curious about all of this! Nice you can make the adjustment together. My concern was around the financial barriers and ability to stick with it if someone is still actively experiencing psychosis or any symptoms surrounding paranoia of poisoning. My work is primarily with a schizoaffective population so im interested in that regard but also as someone recovering from an ED and with a mood disorder myself. I know i don't feel good with starches other than utilizing them to make me sleep. Please keep us updated! I love my salads too much to fully do this but im super curious, especially with a family history of DM1 and epilepsy.
When I tried keto, I couldn't go more than 3 months. The process left me feeling very wired, like my circadian rhythm was running on a 36 hour cycle instead of 24 hours.
The language surrounding “what we’ve been taught and fed our whole lives.” can sound anti-science. If only presenting studies that favour ketogenic diet may sound like pushing an agenda. Know that I know you would never intentionally do this.
The old school food pyramid was a scam but saying that one doesn’t need a balanced diet is scary. Keto is linked with higher rates of cardiovascular diseases because of the saturated fats consumed. People eating things like a whole lot of bacon. Keto has a place where medically necessary but for people like Rob I don’t see the benefit over just cutting out higher processed stuff but otherwise eating things in moderation and watching red meat intake and watching high fat foods.
I do hope this was done in review with you family doctors and that blood work was taken before and done again maybe after 6 months to make sure nothing is missed. I love how you both support each other and I do hope that even if this doesn’t work as expected it was still a good learning experience. ❤️❤️
I did paleo for a year and a half mainly for inflammation and to see how it would fuel me athletically. I found at first the same experience of irritability and fatigue and brain fog but adjusted after a few weeks and felt great. I also noticed my muscles showing up and looking more “cut” and a little weight loss. The difference was I didn’t measure anything and there was no dairy - which causes inflammation for many people . A few major benefits: reduced inflammation, more energy and immunity. I never once got sick during that period. I also slept great. But, by 2 years after I was back to a more standard diet - Whole Foods but added grains back in and then the occasional dessert bread, etc. A super restrictive diet, for many, isn’t sustainable, however, as you explain, your “buy-in” or “why” is more motivating than mine. Lastly, the more you do it that more you will form a habit and habit will sustain you much more than “willpower” ever will. I’m happy to see how well this is going for you and appreciate your honesty in the process. Your work is important and helps so many.
I looove seeing more of you two :)
Following your channel, metebolic mind and other keto research as an option for anorexia. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Hi! Thank you SO much for this video and for your updates! I am half-way through, so please forgive me if you are going to touch on this at a later point in this video (or already have in past videos), but I have 2 questions for you if you would be able to answer here or in a later video:
1. What foods have been the hardest to give up, and have the cravings passed with those foods?
2. Is there a beginner channel that you recommend on YoiTube for starting a Keto Diet?
Thank you SO much once again and God bless you both and your families and all of the viewers on here!! 🙏💖
@@kirstens5688 Thank you so much for your response!! I so appreciate that, and yes, He does!!! 💖💖😀🙏💖
Congratulations🎉on your Herculean efforts to overcome schizophrenia symptoms. I am from India🇮🇳 and my daughter is a medical school graduate & is currently doing her internship and she is suffering from schizophrenia which is affecting her work schedule.You guys are doing a great service to the society from across the world by exploring alternative pathways to ameliorate the symptoms of this deadly disease. ❤❤❤
Hi guys,
1) thank you for the insightful video ❤
2) I really enjoy the vlog style 👍🏾
3) would you be open to post your keto „recipes“ or Nicole-approved keto recipes? 🍲
4) seeing the thumbnail I thought something bad had happened because both of you were clad in dark colours and had somber expressions on your faces 😅
5) love your philodendron monstera deliciosa 😍
6) thank you for bringing up how your relationships have improved your health. Social isolation and stigma are a big part why it‘s so hard to live with mental illness ❤️🩹
That was really helpful. Thank you. I am going to try to be more serious about keto on a small budget. One time I juiced red beets and only had beet juice for a week. I focused my keto heavily on antioxidants and supplements that time.
So I struggled with depression and anxiety, as well as some early signs of schizophrenia... Just about the time when the latter started happening I was lucky and heard Chris palmer on Huberman Lab Podcast. I just knew I had to try it. His story touched me so deeply and I always knew sugar had some negative effects on me. So I tried keto for about 6 months. And WOW! My depression was gone, I was about 50% as anxious and I could control my thoughts like never before. My mind was clear and I felt alive for the first time in my life. But I really struggled with IBS and some other stuff. I kept seeing videos and posts about carnivore. Really didn't believe it. But then I remembered Jordan Petersons anecdote and I just had to , once again, try it for my self.
So I did. And WOW! AGAIN! My stomach started to work. My acne cleared up. I am not anxious anymore, ahhhhh! Living in a bliss for about two weeks, I thought that surely cauliflower rice with some mushrooms cream sauce can't hurt me. My fiance was still eating keto and so I joined him for one night and had the worst night in a long time. Nightmare, cold sweats, and itchy body then I woke up with the worst feeling of doom and depression. I couldn't believe it was happening, but there I was feeling just as if I didn't make any progress in the last 6 months. It took about 2-3 days before I felt normal. About a week later I tried eating nuts and the feelings were very similar. Been eating eating carnivore ever since and feeling awesome everyday! It's been over a year since I started keto and 6 months since I started carnivore. Best experiments of my life. I have gained so much muscle, endurance (both mental and physical), my sleep quality is above any expectations and sooooo much more!
I hope you give this at least a thought. Keto is great! Carnivore is just better!
You two are inspirational
I've done the keto diet three or four times now and I just can't stick with it 😢
So Awesome to see you guys doing so well. I am seriously struggling with sleeping at the moment, but that is to do with my COPD and struggling to breathe and going into severe panic attacks whenever I lay down, which leads me to finding it impossible to sleep, maybe for 2-3 days. I understand these situations and just strive to survive these episodes, but still difficult. I try to maintain a 'positive' attitude but struggle with my my "Anxiety/Depression" Medication Treatment at these times. Although I am 'Conscious' of my "Anxiety/Depression'" Diagnosis during these breathless (COPD?) episodes, I do lapse on my Medication which is because of my inability to Sleep, but this complicates my sleep pattern also. I struggle to manage these sleepless 'Episodes', I Try to sleep but Panic takes over due to my "Breathless" feeling. I try to stay positive although severely frustrated and panicking with inability to sleep. I have My Guitar Hobby and Walking to assist in getting through these episodes. I am hoping to sleep tonight from being awake for 3 days/nights ..... I just have no control over these "Breathless" Sleep stopping Episodes. Again Thankyou for all you do. And it's so awesome to see you all doing so well.. So sorry for super long post. All The Best. Cheers
It could be a side effect of some medicine ure taking. It might be sleep apnea.
Have you had your heart functuon tested? Clngestive heart failure causes breathlessness when lying flat. Please see your doctor and ask for a heart function test. I had CHF and i know the panic feeling when i would lie down flat. It is scary.
I hope your husband is taking care of his mental health as well. It would be hard not to become codependent in these intense situations. i’m only saying this from experience.
This could be projection but it feels like they are switching places. She is becoming more stable and he is experiencing more instability.
@@mckennasweda3614I agree, and she has always seemed to be more ‘in control’ of the relationship
, while Rob seems more passive, so I feel she enjoys being the ‘healthy’ one.
@@helener7545 I have actually not felt that way about it but I also haven't seen all of her videos. To my brain rob has sort of seemed like the one who is more in control especially when she is having an "episode". Almost like an unintentional ablism that isn't rooted in malice. That's interesting that you see her as lording her healthy over him. You totally don't have to answer but is that how your husband treated you? Did he lord his health over you like he could be the only healthy one or become codependent?
Edit: my comment was rooted in my bit of crazy where people genuinely switch personalities or traits for a reason beyond their control.
@@mckennasweda3614While I agree with the original comment of reminding Rob to practice self care, I don’t think we need to be analyzing their relationship dynamics based off a few recent RUclips videos. It feels especially inappropriate considering how soon into this new journey they are.
@@Whole-Milk respectfully, I was responding to a comment you cannot see. I understand where you are coming from though. If I ever meet them in real life I will send you a thorough report based on my observations.
Edit: actually you can see it. Which leads me to believe you misunderstood what I said and oddly singled me out. Also they do not need to be handled with kid gloves. That would be even more demeaning.
You two are so good together!
Can’t wait to see more!
People with certain seizure disorders actually go keto in order to help control their seizures. Just changing your metabolic pathway can do some crazy things!
How encouraging! I cannot emphasize how important having your family's support is. The transition phase from the SAD diet can be challenging, for sure, because it does go against the grain of what we've been taught, and it's not what we're used to. But you gradually adapt and lose a lot of the cravings and longing for old comfort foods. The cost of the diet does not have to be excessive; ground beef is a mainstay in our home. We transitioned our kids, too, and no longer use food as treats or rewards. It becomes natural after a short time, for them. The tedium of measuring also dies away, as you get familiar with amounts to consume. There is so much positive here! Also, with respect to cost, don't forget to consider the reduction in medical costs associated with the long-term reduction of inflammation in your body; taking care of those hurting knees by reducing inflammation now could offset the need for a knee replacement later! Not to mention heart disease, diabetes, and all the other associated illnesses! Keep up the good work. You guys are awesome!
I am following you for the results.
I have Schizoaffective Disorder F25 I not on medication.
Before, I would not go on a restrictive diet, I believe more balanced, but the research has changed my opinion. I sa your videos, but I looked at other videos.
I have been going back to trying a 16-hour fasting window and trying that
I am looking for meal planning and looking to find Keto recipes idea.
But I am dairy free. The keto is all about heavy cream. I would like an alternative .
I am on a budget .
Becareful of your medication adjustment before you change your medication has affected you even at the end of last year before you started the Keto diet. You had some issues.
In the past, I changed doses and medication
Please Becareful you have a beautiful family to take care.
I am so happy you found someone and had a baby. I wish you success in your path to find answers
Lisa
Heavy cream isn't necessary. Olive oil, avocado oil, mct oil - are some of my favorite sources of at
What a challenge. Great you have each other.
Great info! To those who are concerned, consider this… if you had a serious heart problem and started taking meds for it, it would be silly for someone to say “that’s not good for you”. No, it’s not good for someone who doesn’t need it, but to the one who does have the need, it keeps them alive. For me, due to specific health issues, I am one who cannot do Keto, but I’d never tell you not to if it improves your health!
Yeah I mean I am not going to lie I was pretty concerned about a restrictive diet with your history of ED so I am glad that’s something you’re staying on top of.
I have PCOS, and keto helped me so much, from removing brain fog, minimized my HS(inflammatory skin disorder) flare ups, I got my period back, energy and mood stability, better sleep, and of course lost 30lbs while doing keto .... But at the end it is a lifestyle change and I know I need to be consistent.
ON KETO, don't complicate it, green veggies, a protein, and fats(avacado, nuts, butter).
Make sure your taking Potassium and magnesium, make sure you're getting your electrolytes in
The constant weighing and measuring sounds like a nightmare for those who do not work from home. Lauren can you imagine doing all that while working full-time and going to school etc ?
But you are worth it darling! I believe food can heal so many medical conditions, or should I say that rotten diets cause horrendous outcomes on our body.
I myself have schizoaffective disorder along with adult add...but bipolar generalized anxiety n some more....I've struggled since I cld remember walking as a toddler but alot of mine has developed from trauma...so now seeing a trauma therapist been on mess since 18 & I'm 42 now....I don't kno if I'll ever b able 2 get if the meds :( but I've been on the keto diet for a few months now after watching a dr I love but didn't know ot cld have an impact on my mental health I was just doing it for digestive issues & so forth but now I've learned that it's all connected..go figure...over rall I feel better mentally physically lost weight so yea gonna stick w it I really want a keto monitor but so expensive as I can't work rn bcuz of my mental/physical health....im glad I found ur channel on here & you sharing ur experiences as I can relate so thank you both of you!!! P.s. I used to stay up till 12 or 1 am...evr since I got on vit d & keto it's not only helped my pain/inflammation I still have to inject myself with immuno suppressants but over all its better & my sleep is a bit better going to bed at 8/9 has def helped
I got hipped to Kraepelin writing about diet and autointoxication at the turn of the century. I'm going down the rabbit hole of history now and I'm shocked by the ideas of the 19th century. It seems that at the time there was great interest in the link between epilepsy, diabetes and mental ill health. The alienists had noted the effects of diet and women's health issues. It seems dietary intervention was not uncommon in the asylums and even more shockingly there may have been pretty widespread use of lithium bromide long before Cade and used to treat almost all conditions in the asylums. The basis for many of the treatments are rooted not only in theories about uric acid but also emerging theories of metabolism. It seems science was on a certain trajectory that only got disrupted a few decades ago with the advent of neurotransmitter medications.
Regarding initial weight loss, you probably already know this, but you retain less fluid while in ketosis than not, so that might be part of your weight loss. I've found drinking water with electrolytes to be very beneficial to maintaining proper hydration. Regarding weighing and tracking food, I think it's accurate to say that many people, once they're fully fat-adapted, can take a more flexible approach and remain in ketosis. I hope you guys will experience that as you get farther along. Thank you so much for sharing this journey!
For a mechanistic expiation of the above: Each gram of glycogen (stored glucose) is associated with 3-4 grams of water. So, as your body burns its way through the reduced dietary carbs and into the glycogen stores, the water attached to the glycogen is lost as well - which is why you lose "water weight" at the start of keto.
Hi Lauren / Rob.
I'm interested about cost. You talked about the cost implications on your food shop.
I was wondering what are the cost implications of Lauren's keto coach, keto monitors etc please?
Ruth (from Chester, UK)
Thank you both for sharing this, I am following your journey with much trepidation while going through my own. I am so happy that Lauren is already having some benefits. As for me, doing this for major chronic depression and fatigue that I have had most of my life. I am now on the three month marlk and it is not working at all. I do not have a coach, but I keep reading and looking for info and tweaking. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I am having intermittent ketones and very low, around 0,5 still, thay are actualy getting worse as I keep going. I am weighing and tracking everything I eat and glucose and ketones with a blood strip. Feeling terrible, my depression actually got worse, energy worse and I gained weight. Plus I hate this way of eating (missing the vegetables so much) I am doing the version with 20 total g of carbs, I think I will switch to net carbs because it is just not working. Feeling really lost about this. and frustrated. so hard not to throw in the towel when all this work amounts to nothing. I was really hoping it would help depression and energy and also weight..
Have you added mct oil to your diet to get ketones up? start slowly because until you're used to it mct oil can cause some gastro distress... work up slowly -I probably take 6-10 tablespoons a day - and in general add more fats to your meals, mayo - olive oil, butter. If you're doing 20 net or gross carb it is likely that you need more fat, be that from more traditional sources or MCT oil
My loved one discovered that dairy was a huge hidden problem. He didn't have an obvious allergic reaction, but removing it drastically improved sleep, mood, cognition, overall inflammation. Bloodwork confirmed that he had an immune response to it. Just mentioning this in case it resonates with you. Keto can involve a lot of dairy-based fat, and if dairy is a problem for you, that could be one contributing factor to feeling worse with keto. Wishing you all the best.
@@CashMoneyMoore Hi, thanks, yes I actually am using mct oil daily, and I have been for a while so I can tolerate it...maybe not that much though...I will try taking more...I am putting mountains of high quality organic butter everywhere...olive oil..I feel like I have never eaten so much fat in my life...I really want this to work but I don't understand what I am doing wrong.
@@julieking7857 thank you. in the past, when I was doing an autoimmune protocol for my thyroid I have often removed dairy, never really noticed anything major, but I have been eating a lot of dairy since doing keto. My plan was to actually try removing it again, I am finishing what I have, although that means even less choices with food. thanks for the tip.
Would be nice to see basic blood test results, especially the metabolic panel. Thanks! ❤
I have this disorder too
I find it helpful that your coming forward for yourself and others
more people need to speak out about the disorder and stand up for the fact that where normal people and not bad awful monsters that our society thinks we are I also would look up online certified therapists on youtube who can respectfully and accurately talk about depression and schizophrenia in a helpful clinical sense sense it's at lest helpful for me hope you stay well and safe ❣❤💌
Alternatively, the keto diet could also be impacting how you’re metabolizing your meds; hence, the stabilization in symptoms and increased sedation at peak plasma levels.
I eat Carnivore, which falls into keto. A good way I keep my fat up is to add butter or MCT oil to coffee (if you use a frother it’s actually nice and not oily). I also buy ribeye roasts from Costco and cut them into steaks. It has a good day to protein ratio and is cheaper than buying individual steaks. I will say it takes some time to ramp up on the fat, go slow, otherwise you’ll be running to the bathroom. It also sounds gross, but slicing butter thinly like cheese and having a pat or two is a nice little fatty snack. Something about butter specifically has a calming effect on my brain, too. So excited to see your journey! Keep going, it gets easier.
*good fat to protein ratio
Autocorrect is so weird sometimes
Not heard that a ketogenic diet might help with these disorders. To be honest, I was scared of ketosis. My dad had severe low body weight, and Parkinson’s, and he was afraid that he would go into ketosis so for me that’s always been a bad thing and the current fad just didn’t make sense to me, though I have eaten some keto foods because sometimes they taste good with all that fat right? Right off the bat, your affect appears to be brighter and more animated. I’m hypersensitive to any signs of flat affect because I’m a mental health worker, and I have patients across the spectrum from mild to severe and I am very happy to see a change in your affect. I’m going to ask my team psychiatrist to see if he’s heard of this treatment. Good luck.
If he hasn't, check out the work of Chris Palmer, Harvard Psychiatrist, and Georgia Ede, nutritional psychiatrist.
It was actually more likely that your dad was afraid he'd go into ketoacidosis, which is different than ketosis. Ketoacidosis is a metabolic state caused by uncontrolled production of ketone bodies that cause a metabolic acidosis. While ketosis refers to any elevation of blood ketones, ketoacidosis is a specific pathologic condition that results in changes in blood pH and requires medical attention.
Thanks!
You guys look fantastic. Diet can change soo sooo much keep going!
Rob looks underweight and unhappy.
Still here truly wondering if Keto would ameliorate negative symptoms and anhedonia, the kind of psychopathologies of schizophrenia disorders like complacency, anhedonia
I used to take drugs in my younger days and it was the first time I realised how profound chemistry could change your state of mind. Obviously drugs are not a long term health choice and I don't touch any drugs anymore not even alcohol. But I did realise food too was a bunch of chemicals and I could change the way I felt with food. Although food is much more subtle the effects are real. So for years I've experimented with healthy ways of eating. And I've definitely seen the impacts of eating less grains and refined flours. Keep it up❤ guys!
I was going to comment on changes I've seen in you also. You seem more calm, focused and mellow.
this channel has inspired me to go back to keto at least for like 4 months possibly 6 months maybe with a week break in between. i've been having gi issues for a minute and the last month i've been sick constantly. so i am READY for a change. i want to do it to alleviate my ADHD symptoms and alleviate my GI issues and also lose weight as a byproduct.