Why Komoot goes wrong
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2023
- Why does Komoot send me the wrong way? Usually a combination of base mapping being wrong and how it's used. Here are some ideas to improve both.
Ian spotted a mistake which I'm happy to correct: "it's not a Local Authority role in UK to maintain OSM. The UK's Geospatial Commission website has lots of really interesting discussions and links on public sector mapping and geo-data matters if anyone is interested in delving a bit deeper into the UK's geospatial data policies".
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1:44 Simon, as a constructive comment, it's not a Local Authority role in UK to maintain OSM. The UK's Geospatial Commission website has lots of really interesting discussions and links on public sector mapping and geo-data matters if anyone is interested in delving a bit deeper into the UK's geospatial data policies.
Thank you Rupert - I made an incorrect assumption. I’ll add this to the video description and pin your comment.
Lots of helpful information, thanks a bunch. One way I found to trick RWGPS and others into routing off of main streets and roads is to select hiking when I'm looking for a MTB options - this way I get mostly unpaved paths and single/double track dirt roads. It proved a lot faster than trying to use cycling option and then manually forcing the app to use those unpaved surfaces.
Thanks for sharing - good to know
As a contributor to OpenStreetMap in my area this makes me happy to see!
Absolutely agree on the touring option on Komoot, I did plan my trip from Malaga to Belgium like this last year. Great content!
Thanks for the video, Strava had a lane way that wasn't available anymore and had to reroute over the Sunday ride so I've now updated that in OpenStreetMaps, thanks for the tip. I've also found Kamoot to have less elevation shown than Strava when route planning so it's a little deseiving when route mapping
Fantastic, as always. Why, oh why, don't you get more views? This information - indeed nearly everything you produce - is very valuable. RUclips's algorithms are a mystery to me. Half the time it doesn;t seem to give me notification when you post something (and yes, I have notifications set to the highest priority. And never does it recommend your videos on "up next". Odder, I have left my pc on, playing one of your playlists on repeat and gone out and still it doesn;t alter my personal recommendations for your channel. Andway, great. Thanks!
Honestly, the biggest challenge I have with Komoot is sometimes it’s dumb choices when it comes to routing.
But you can avoid problems by simply adding more waypoints along the way.
There’s a section near me where you can zoom in and place two waypoints almost next to each other and Komoot will still route you on a half-mile loop to join them. This is despite Komoot correctly showing the route as a bridlepath. It’s totally bizarre. The only solution I know is to select that segment and turn off “follow known ways”. I will check the OSM data and see if there is some glitch in the data around there.
Sometimes 200 of them, yes, lol.
@@neilmadden4286Oh my gosh, I so know what you mean!
Good video, thanks! Will check out bing maps.
Especially in the UK I don't recommend using the "Gravel Ride" mode in Komoot unless you're prepared fo hike-a-bikes. And I always additoinally check if Komoot wants to send me along single track lanes which I usually try to avoid.
Oh yes, Bing Maps is soo much better for small tracks! Example: the track from Kilchrenan to Kilmore. Easy to spot on bing maps, much more difficult to ascertain (regarding track quality) on google maps.
OMG mate, thank you so much! I did not know Komoot changed your route based on your activity! Switching to Road definitely improved Komoot's suggested routes! And the M key! Amazing!
Glad I could help
This is incredibly useful information!
this was really good. didnt know about half of these features. thanks for sharing!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the info, really appreciated 👍
Very useful. Thanks.
I agree about using Touring option over gravel option - here in Australia it’s algorithm is more reliable
Strange isn’t it? I wonder if the base mapping just can’t decide what surfaces work for gravel, or perhaps those surfaces are just not recorded reliably.
@@alwaysanotheradventure I’m thinking it’s something to do with Kamoot’s algorithms trying to interpret the underlying OSM which don’t do a great job of differentiating between the types of trail. Let’s face it, unsealed surfaces vary widely from good graded gravel roads to rutted goat tracks. How can Kamoot string those together effectively.
Having said that, a friend recently used Komoot to design a 350 km country route, and it did a really good job using mostly touring roads and trails and was superior to the Google cycle map that he tried to route part of the journey with. Google cycle maps set him down an impossible overgrown Trail that was not able to be ridden. Kamoot had routed him around this so does a better job
Great info 👌👌👌🏁
I looked at the route it picked to send me across town, right through the traffic almost exclusively on busy roads, some of which I wouldn't take willingly on a motorcycle, never mind a push-bike...
Google maps sent me about a 1/3 mile extra & I had exactly 200 yards of busy road to get across a cross-roads where there's no room for a cycle lane or shared use path, I just did that as a pedestrian very short walk and a pelican crossing instead of a busy set of lights & a queue, the rest was mostly shared paths, & some quiet residential streets. Monumental win for Google over Komoot here.
Neither pick the sane route to my nearest shopping centre, if I edit the route on Komoot it becomes clear why.. I'd have to get off & push for an entire 67 feet for a short section of footpath between a shared use path & a quiet dead-end back street, by doing so I avoid a steep hill I'd (at my level of fitness) be pushing the bike up for a much greater distance anyway & my route is appreciably shorter using shared paths rather than a bus route where you often get close passed into the bargain.
As a mostly urban cyclist, Google maps appears to do better.
What bike setting did you use for Komoot? If you pick road bike that’s the result you’d get. Try touring for bike paths.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Touring was what I picked, it's 40 years since I was any sort of racer, most of them as a non-cyclist, I did try switching to road, it picked the same busy route cross town.
Point is ALL the settings are sporting/leisure in one way or another, there's no option obviously suited to pure transportation routing with an English 3 speed roadster (my case), Dutch bike, or folder. I didn't even consider Gravel or MTB, likely to pick routes unsuited to 26x1 3/8" tyres & only 3 gears.
@@beardyface8492 it’s possible the base information on Open Street Map is wrong. If you’d care to check and correct it (anyone can edit) then you’ll improve the data going into Strava, Ride with GPS, Hammerhead and more, not only Komoot. The pinned Comment from someone who knows
a lot more than me in instructive.
Great video, I have raised this issue with Kamoot in the past and I was told they rely on users to add information which I generally agree with but I do think if we are going to give them route data we shouldn’t have to pay for all the features
It’s not Komoot that wants the data it’s Open Street Map. Strava and all the other then take its data.
Very interesting, I will explore those features, I tend to use OS maps to plot, switching views satellite, standard, green space or cycle network, then when finished I transfer to Komoot. Komoot often says that sections on my route cycling not permitted but usually this is incorrect. I also struggle with their definition of road surface. The gravel 1-6 gratings I have seen in various books seem better but I think it would be good to somehow have a rating system similar to how trail centres grade routes and then get this agreed with various bodies. I say this with absolutely no idea how this would happen, but I imagine the cycling bodies must be thinking about this
As I hope I explained, it all comes down to getting the right data into Open Street Map
Thanks for the video! Off-topic question: What brand is your jacket? Really like the visibility.
No worries - that is a La Passione. I think it’s their Deep Winter jacket. I have a blue one that’s a bit lighter. Look through my Shorts (!) and you’ll see a new good Rapha too.
@@alwaysanotheradventure thank you
good tips.
Glad you think so - thanks.
Can you please include also Garmin connect course building tool into comparison? Compare to Strava it is free of charge for Garmin users and it also has heatmaps.
Hi Simon, what do you think about using Google maps ? I’ve got a quad lock mount on my bike and tend to use google as a turn by turn GPS. Thanks for a great channel
Hi Graham - I've found Google is great on road and when it sends you the way you want to go, but no so good if you want to head in a specific direction. Plus I like to keep my phone battery in case I really need it.
I have a Quadlok too, and I use the phone on it when I need to find a cafe or food shop or campsite that might be off my route. I set it out in this video ruclips.net/video/2YmfxrePqdU/видео.html
This is just the way I use it - I'm not saying it's "right" 😁
What is your opinion on Garmin Edge mapping? I'm fine using my phone with Komoot or LocusMap for bike navigation however a Garmin Edge is just soo dedicated and I am tech enthusiast anyway. (I have a Fenix 7 watch, so I'd use the Edge mainly for routing or navigation). However, I have had very bad experience with Garmin's algorithm just planning awful and nonsense routes.
I have an old Garmin 1030 and I know the units have improved so I can’t meaningfully comment, sorry. For mapping I like the Hammerhead Karoo 2.
I see you have gone back to flared handlebars. Didn’t you take them of your Sonder or has that been resolved with the new shock absorber stem?
Hi Mark I've had the Redshift Kitchen Sink bars on the Sonder for a couple of years now. I put them on when I discovered they were so much better than the original flared set that came with the Camino. There are a few videos about them - the versions with and without the front loop. The shockstop stem helped with the regular bars too.
Thanks Simon I’ll have a look
Simon, I find Komoot very frustrating and have given up with it. I discover and ride MTB trails that are suitable for gravel bikes, and sometimes want to map a route on Komoot combining trails that I know are rideable and legal for bikes. But what is frustrating is that Komoot insists on routing me where it thinks I should go, rather than letting me freely plot the route that I know is available. I hear what you say about editing OSM, but if I am creating a route at short notice (I generally am) which I want to share, Komoot simply prevents me from doing so. I have raised this with Komoot and essentially all I get is a shrug of the shoulders, pointing the blame at their source maps. To me, there should be a function to allow one to freely route where I want, overriding the source map data. With Komoot as it is, it would not be possible to create a route that ventures onto private land, when I might well be trying to route someone to a destination like my home at the end of a private track or road (I wish but just as an example). Do you have a workaround?
I do know what you mean. If it throws a wobble on a short section, you can uncheck the box to Follow Ways. You'll just get a straight line to the next waypoint, but I've found it helpful when Komoot thinks there's an impassible section when I know there's not. That's clearly an OSM issue I can correct.
But yes, there are other more challenging issues. My local one is this: trying to route around a local loch to Fort William, rather than take the ferry which only runs 4x a day and not Sundays. That's nowt to do with the OSM level mapping. I discuss my way of getting around this bit here: ruclips.net/video/6sGPp2Slw1U/видео.html
It often helps to start as a one-way route, then switch to return nearer the end, but that's all in the video.
#komooted
My favourite gripe with Komoot is using someone else's route - only to discover I make the same mistakes as they have! To be fair though, how lucky are we to even have all this route finding tech at all!
When people try to follow my tracks they often find me zigzagging back and forth to set up the camera - I hope that don't ride all of those!
@@alwaysanotheradventure 😂