Get better cycle mapping with Open Street Map
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2022
- Better cycle mapping with Open Cycle Map and Open Street Map and how to edit both
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I was humored by a relative that once said he was going to get fit so he read every book he could on getting fit. He spent so much time at that he did not actually go and get fit. The beauty of a gravel bike is it lets you ride on all different terrain regardless of planning. This video reminded me of my uncle (he got to 51 BTW)..😊
Thanks for acknowledging the role of OSM contributors in improving the navigation apps. I have contributed myself to OSM for several years, and it is a joy to see ones’ edits in the apps 🙂
I've been an OSM contributor for a number of years, mostly around where I live; just west of Portland, Oregon. Adding surface data to roads and paths has been a major focus, to improve routing by appropriate type of bikes. I'll be up in your area in late Aug, so will get to enjoy the fruits of your labors on the platform myself!
If you edit Open Street Map, does the change also appear on Open Cycle Map, or do you have to do each separately?
@@tawanga just one edit, same database. Though the standard map layer will update faster/more often than Cycle Map and cyclOSM ones do so your edit will likely take longer (sometimes much longer) to appear there.
Openstreet map is definitely very useful. I added various tracks around a local wildlife reserve in open street map a few months ago. In regards to route planning applications that use openstreetmap data, brouter is my current favourite. It is free and open source and is very customisable if one wants and has what I think has a fairly nice and usable web interface. When editing with openstreepmap, the tracks appeared as soon as it was saved, but I needed to clear the old cached data in the web browser before it would show up properly. The brouter server I have been using seems to syncronise its route finding data with open street map once per day, so after at most 24 hours, the route planning algorithm will be able to use the new data.
After watching this and going through the tutorial, I finally realized why komoot never let me use the local Bike and running trail: because there was two disconnects that made the whole map not use the trail for navigation! I ended up added a bunch of neighborhood entrances while I was at it.
That’s great!
I would tag before the gate as Mostly Solid with a surface of Gravel or Compacted, since it looks like its gravel, not paved. After gate I would choose Mostly Soft with surface Ground or Dirt.
Thanks Simon, very timely as had an issue using a permissible cycle path that ended and only had footpath access from that point onwards. Komoot didnt flag that up so had some bushwacking to do down overgrown path with a loaded bike. Was going to try to notify others, so now I know how. Thanks.
Excellent- will start looking at some our local rides. 👍
Personal Update: One feature of Komoot I didn't realise is that if you start in a different area to your base location it prompts you to pay for additional maps. This isn't very helpful if you're already out and about trying to get home. I'd forgotten about Open Street maps and could have done with it.
Thanks so didn’t know this. But there are regular offers and I bought the whole world mapping for £20, admittedly a while ago.
Wow, you read my mind. I've been wondering what then differences were among these mapping apps for a little while now. I didn't know that they're all based on OSM. Great work again.
Excellent idea, it’s our responsibility to keep our areas fully updated 👍🏽
That’s really interesting, thank you for this - I must give it a go, I’m forever cursing strava for planning my routes across the moors and through farmyards - and the more people ride them (wrongly), the more it’ll send people down them! I have to say (as someone who lives in the most beautiful part of the country 😆) it is particularly lovely up around your way!
I think this is one of the most useful videos you’ve done and hopefully it will make more folk aware that you can edit OSM and in turn make things better for all.
Glad it was helpful
Thanks for this video, good information here. I've just planned a ride using strava for an area I'm going for holidays. Some parts were unspecified road surface. When I imported the Strava GPX file into Komoot, it was specified. Now I understand why there is a difference. Cheers.
Thank you
Interesting and a nicely put together video.
intersting video .... i had no idea, thank you for sharing.
Thank you Simon for this introduction, hour it motivates more people to contribute! Before touring in less well mapped regions I often take a few hours to go through the satellite images of the place and see if there are any obvious unmapped ways I can add. At times it gets adventurous like when you add a track like yours that turns out semi-rideable at best or you have to turn back because that "Military Area" sign wasn't on the satellite photo, but at least you get even better survey data later 😉
Very interesting !
Aye, OSM's a great idea, and I wish more people would contribute to it! The two issues I've mainly found are that features tend to be a wee bit inconsistent in how people put them together (for example, I might've interpreted the surface data differently to you), and it can take a while for things to filter through to Garmin/Strava, and they'll sometimes do so at different times. For example, I'd tried to correct a glitch local to me, and eventually it appeared on Strava so that I could route through it correctly, but as soon as I synced that to my Garmin head unit, it was still thinking on the "old" map and opted for the original glitched routing. Have also found that what some people call "paths" can be a wee bit optimistic!
That consistency issue is as good point Ross. I wonder if there's guidance on this?
Thank you for this info. There was a particular bike path that annoyed me on Komoot due to the map saying the trail didn't link to the street and I had to turn around. Never knew about this.
Great to know you have the power to change it!
I had to do that a couple of years ago for an obscure road in France that wasn't allowing me to plot a cycling route even though Google street view showed it as being a perfectly usable road. It turned out that a section of the road ran over a culvert, which someone had marked as a separate feature, so OSM thought the road stopped at either side!
Superb video, Simon! I don't know how I missed it first time around. I've updated a fair few things on Google Maps but I'm going to sign up to OSM as well. Cheers!
Ahem... Turns out I am already signed up! Oh well, memory fades...
Thanks Hugh
Well I learnt something there, thanks 😊
@John Brown Small world 😄
To answer your question of how long it takes to filter through to the mapping apps - I added that secret road from your recent Ardnamurchan video to OSM less than three weeks ago, and it is now visible and routeable in Komoot. 🙂 You've also got the smoothness attribute which Komoot seems to use, plus points of interests like bike shops, bike parking, cafes/pubs, drinking water etc that will get shown on the map.
Brilliant - thank you Michael
Thanks for a great video , Like yourself I use Komoot ,I like rides that are off road as much as possible ,Bridleways ,canal paths ,but I don't like hike a bike or extreme MTB stuff .I find when planning a route if I choose Gravel it misses quite a few cycle paths .What selection would you start with?
Hi Kevin - I'd start with Komoot's touring option, as I did when I rode this route in Southern England ruclips.net/video/LT_dJEKAVlA/видео.html (and subsequently across Isle of Wight). I might flick over the to Gravel or MTB to see where it was different and, if any of those sections looked interesting, I could check them out in more detail as in this video ruclips.net/video/NsgfHeX1ss8/видео.html.
Here in Scotland we don't have the bridleway/footpath distinction, which can be useful for cycling, it doesn't help route planning.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Thank you ,Here on the Isle of Wight & practicing with your suggestions seem to work very well ,Sometimes it pays to avoid some sections of the NCN routes as I've found some sections are on busy roads ,When I did the Scottish section of LEJOG I found the street view section really useful to avoid The A9 & a bridge with steps in Lairg .The Komoot premium membership also give me good discounts on products .
What gravel bar are you using at the beginning of this video? And thanks.
They're Redshift - this pretty much covers it - ruclips.net/video/MJIxLRUKQZM/видео.html
Hi, thank you for that. I do like the video and do use OCM as map in Kommod for my tour planing.
Just I can’t use it in case I have to re-route on the trip on the Android Kommod APP
Is the a way to get ‚open cycle maps‘ as map in to the Kommod APP?
Thanks in advance Stefan
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Hi Stefan - not in the App. I don’t think OSM adjusts for mobile.
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There is an area in British Columbia where OSM shows nothing, but Komoot shows a path (logging road), suitable for bikes. What underlying map would they use in that case, because it certainly isn't OSM?
No idea
What drop bar model do you use?
The bike is a Sonder Camino (1st Gen) and the bars are these: ruclips.net/video/MJIxLRUKQZM/видео.html VERY impressed and the video explains why.
@@alwaysanotheradventure thanks 😊 fantastic video by the way!
What is needed is a lot data from a number of GPS smartphones to feed the data back into the mapping software with some follow up questions. Like Google did with the Ingress game that helped them find places of interest and landmarks on the maps.
I’m not even sure how to get GPS tracks I’ve ridden - which exist but are not yet mapped - into OSM. Drawing freehand isn’t my skill set.
@@alwaysanotheradventure well you wouldn't, it's a gap in a lot of companies approaches with the current technology.
@John Brown Thing is, the tracks that make up the heat map only exist on the Garmin servers then and are not free for use by OSM mappers .
At least Strava has opened the heat map to use as an image layer in an OSM editor though, so there's no problem with copyright.
@@matthiaslastname9019 Thanks for that - I'll try it!
Being a OSM contributor is a definite worthy cause. I do wonder why OS maps are not integrated into some of here even as a premium plus subscription with them. Perhaps it’s too close to being a department of state. We have already paid for OS maps since 1673 or whenever it started as Johnny tax payer.
No mention of the largest mapper of them all, Google maps?? Did it do good, bad, or other..
I can’t find surface data in Google. Can you point me to it please.
@@alwaysanotheradventure On the desktop version of GM (i.e. not on the mobile) I see a box in the lower left corner labelled "Layers". If I click this, then "More", I can select the Biking layer. Now the map appears with color coded roads, with dirt/unpaved trails shown in a maroon color. It's very basic and I tend to think I OSM is better, but at least it's there as another tool for comparison.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Btw, excellent video 👍
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f I didn't know that- thanks!