Winners & Losers of the 2023 Paris Airshow
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Chapters:
Intro - 0:00
Posters!! - 0:58
Winner 1 - 2:29
Winner 2 - 3:28
Winner 3 - 4:11
Winner 4 - 5:21
Winner 5 - 6:34
Loser 1 - 7:42
Loser 2 - 8:56
Loser 3 - 10:42
Outro - 12:55
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I’m here at the 2023 Paris Airshow. After 4 long years, the industry has once again descended onto le Bourget - this Mecca of commercial aviation. Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, and others have pulled out all the stops, showing off their latest and greatest innovations, and most importantly selling a boatload of planes. I’ve been here capturing it all, and in the coming days, I’ll be releasing all of that juicy behind-the-scenes footage that I know you love. But before I do, I have to uphold what’s become a bit of a tradition - I’ve got to tell you who came out of the show a winner, and who came out a loser. So, who are the winners and losers of the 2023 Paris Airshow? Let me explain…
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The A350 paint saga isn't quite as you laid out, Airbus accepted the paint degradation as an issue but always said Qatar over dramatised it as being a critical safety issue. Airbus claimed it was cosmetic, they never denied it was an issue of theirs
And Qatar dropped everything before it did go to court
still a great plane and no reason to make an excuse to hate on it
@@ant2312 - oh yeah, no problem just the skin of the plane peeling off. 😂
@@rugger1009 did any crash? no, let me call you that waaambulance
@@rugger1009 so what about the paint coming off on 787 wings Mr Brainiac
I’m surprised the 350 and 777 didn’t do better but happy that 330 did well and of course the 320
Fantastic content and analysis as always. Super excited to see that you partnered with Displate! The Explanes selection is a bit limited right now and I would love to see some more of your photography available on the site.
Great job on the video! I see you took my advice and produced one great video! I truly enjoyed this one from the start to finish. Can't wait to see what's in store next. Surprise us with some new content! Take care Coby. Thanks Lee Crolley, III
Thats why Airbus still on hold to launch the A220-500 the A320 its selling well and they don't want to kill its sales.
Exactly, they just purchased aircraft production Slots.
I can easily imagine IndieGo to convert lots of those orders to 220/330/350 as they ramp up business and economics of routes become apparent. Same goes for all other large orders
@@Hubris030i live in India. I have seen that they are doing amazing with the 320 and filling their planes completely with pax. I doubt they will convert it
@@atulshenoy4306 If they constantly max their capacity, they should get bigger planes as there is clearly more demand.
@@Hubris030 they are in a sweet spot where I doubt they can fill the wide bodies but can fill their 320 neos
Don't thing it would kill that many sales, and the would gather new orders with the slightly smaller A220-500
I think Boeing is under the most pressure with the max 10. Because everyone knows about how the max planes had to be grounded in the United States after the 2 accidents. If the Max 10 receives delays or the max 10 has an unfortunate accident that involves the plane itself and not crew error, Boeing is going to be in a real world of hurt. It surprises me still that delta decided to go with the max 10 instead of Airbus because Delta has been more gearing towards airbus more for its widebody planes than Boeing. But if something happens to the max 10, I could easily see Delta going to airbus and switching the order for more neo planes instead
Boeing won't be in much hurt. People are still acting like it's 2021/20. It's not. We should have moved on from this. Delta should not see anything bad happen to the max 10. Certification is going well and is still slated for next year. They may not go for more neos but would be good if they had more of the 10 and 321neo.
@@nickolliver3021 why should we move on from this, its only been 4 years. Do you think the necessary changes can be fully implemented in that amount of time when their main motivation (cost cutting) is still in effect? the people mainly responsible for the MCAS incident are still at boeing after scapegoating the CEO.
@@nanonano2595 Every aircraft manufacturer has to keep an eye on costs if they want to sell airplanes. Airlines realize this. This greedy narrative is getting old. Company X could build the world best safest plane and nobody would buy the thing.
Fantancy land
@@nanonano2595get over it. Airbus is no different.
10 abreast is a lose on any aircraft, especially 777 or A350.
would only work if the body is wide enough to have 3 aisles.... 2-3-3-2 setup but even then that's too many people cramped together.
I'm actually for it if it means lower fares!
777 has a wider cabin than 350, about 36 cm, which make 10 a breast much more convenient than a350
@@nour.ismail Why? With a 4 wide middle aisle, at max one person has to get up to let the one in the middle out. Who cares about aisles as long as there is enough personal space?
@@IWFRAYand even moreso for 777X
As usual great material !!! Good Work !!!
A good presentation, keep up the good work.
Would definitely appreciate a video about *how* Qatar and Airbus settled the problem of premature paint peeling. So, I like this format a lot.
Probably there will be only speculations.. Such a deal is strictly confidential
I bought a ticket for the open for public weekend and traveled to Paris from Germany and was shocked that all what I was interested in as an aviation enthusiast was not shown anymore and all was left are few exhibitors and the aerobatics 😢 which makes me one of the loosers
Indeed, I had the same experience 10 years ago or so. A lot of stuff leaves the moment the general public is admitted. It definitely is an industry tradeshow more than anything aimed at the general public.
Yeah, it is a trade show for the buyers. The aircraft makers pay a hefty fees for every hour their planes occupy the tarmac so as soon as the trade show is over they depart.
what did you want to see?
You didn't have to travel too far then. That's a quick cheap flight.
Same, also from germany, traveled with the Thalys to paris, and was a bit disappointed
Well thank goodness QANTAS isn’t operating a ten abreast a350 on project sunrise. But as an Airbus fan I’m happy they did well at the air show, especially with the a320neo
Great summary of an important week in aviation! 🙂🙂
Your always a winner for me Coby👍🏻
It was cool meeting you man! Great video like always!
Very nice video and summary of the airshow. More of this!
I wish I could have been there. Almost all my favorite planes were there. Also indigo... They now have a huge fleet!!! Also I totally agree with you about the a350 on Philippine Airlines. Imagine being cramped on a 17 hour flight. How will that work? How will that make business? I can't wait to find out! Also, Great video.🎉
Excellent report.
excellent work coby, congrats on 200K also
Excellent analysis thank you
My guess is that Embraer will be doing a lot of winning over the next few years since it seems nobody else can make any regional jets.
A220: enters the chat
@@derbagger22 Lovely plane but too big. I'm interested to see what the future holds in North America. So many routes for regional jets yet nothing to replace the CRJs that's under the scope clause.
@@Stravinsky75 CRJs are Bombardier planes. ERJs are Embraer. A220s are being used as regional jets and transcontinental jets. Which is why they are so good. 70 seat jets are watching their demand plummet and the A220 I'm it's shorter configuration is not many more seats than the ERJ175.
And, I do love the Embraer E170 and 190 JetBlue uses. They are a comfortable plane and I think the E2 will be even moreso. But the A220 is a plane that will dominate the next couple decades with their extreme versatility.
@@derbagger22 That’s lovely but again, the A220 is too big to be a RJ in North America due to the scope clause.
Actually they screwed themselves exceeding the scope clauses of US carriers with the E-2 for a regional carrier. The US alone was more than half of their sales they are now closed off to since the plane is to heavy to meet the scope clauses.
3:45 i'd say Boeing 777x. Huge potential, good fuel efficiency, and most potential operators already operate 787s and 777-200/777-300s
Give it a couple more years. Once it enters the commercial world of Aviation, airlines will see its potential and start placing orders for it.
Congrats mate, excellent video!!!
Well done, great video!
I flew on United Embraer
It was amazing 🤩
Great report! Thanks!
Great job my friend!
A350 for life, i am always loyal to it I love it so much best commercial plane
Great content man
Height is a very important thing when you travel. If you are short and narrow no plane in any configuration will be tight for you. If you are tall and large, there will be problems for your shoulders, hips and knees in almost every seat. Then you can only envy the comfort of little people. 🙂
Real winner of the show is Coby for making such awesome videos and constantly improving his content quality. Rock on 😎
I'm actually surprised that PAL beat Iberojet and World2fly in terms of adopting 10-abreast A350s
Objective and honest. Love the video.
Great video Coby! You’re the biggest winner of the show in my opinion! But seriously this is all fabulous news for the aviation industry especially after a few years of nothing but bad! Yay 😁 🎉🎉
Really cool 😀
You’re the biggest winner of them all!
wholesome moment
I am the machinist who machined the fuselage turning fixture for the 777 when I worked for Brown and Brown machine shop. I also machined the fixture for the wings. I took particular care when doing these parts to make them an order of magnitude closer tolerance than the design specified. I applied some additional techniques to make them the best that could be made. I can't be sure what my contribution to the history of the 777 was but it does have a remarkable history notably its fuselage length, its sales record, and particularly its safety record. Longest fuselage. Most popular model plane ever made. 2200 sold, 1600 delivered. With all those planes flying 27 years without a mass fatality crash. (except for one at 19 years shot down by the Russians which don't count). Current world record holder by 17 years over the Airbus A-380. An order of magnitude longer than the 707 at 2 1/2 years to its first crash, 2 1/2 years to the first crash of the De Haviland Comet, 4 years for the 747, 8 years for the DC 10, and 8 months for the Lockheed L-1011.
Boeings safety record is terrible compared to airbus
Great report🙏🙏🙏🙏
I don't think is possible to put Embraer as a winner. The market expected a lot more orders. The stock collapsed 15%+ because the lack of orders during the air show. The E2 program is really struggling.
The A220 is just eviscerating the E2 program. They might have done better if the deal with Boeing went through, but as it stands they'll just continue to lose market share.
Great video
Great analysis choo choo!
Good job
You make awesome informative videos..top notch!
Just flew in the UA 787-10 for the first time. That is a lovely ride we were in the 767 for the flight there. All of the noises and little annoyances in the older designs are gone. I still for the life of me don’t understand why electronically dimming windows and bleed free tech isn’t industry standard on all new passenger jets.
Mainly because the 787 is basically the newest aircraft on the market in terms of new types, The A350 was of course developed around the same time but Airbus opted to stick with more tried and tested tech, likely spurred by the early teething pains of the 787. The MAX, and all the NEOs are updates of existing designs, so massive changes like dimming glass and bleedless would make it much harder and more expensive to get them certified, and delay production
Happy for Airbus
Air India did finalize order for 777x , A350 at Paris air show along with max and neos
Congrats on 200K subs
Emirates and Etihad usually make announcements or place orders during Dubai air show. Not surprised that we didn’t hear much from them.
I just realized you ended up in a picture of me posing in front of the 321XLR
Man too bad I'm only realizing it now 😭
You don't mention the very long waiting list for the 777x.
Great stuff! You should have made a honourable mention at the end for yourself and your fans 😁
Could you please do a video about which aircraft Cathay Pacific is gonna pick to replace their old medium haul A330?
Could someone please tell me why is the MAX still flying? (Aside US congress help) I had to fly 2 of 4 B737s just 3 days ago. Has MCAS issue being resolved??
As someone who works for Envoy (MQ) its great to see that we are getting more E175. One other thing is that we are also getting 5 older but still valuable E170's most of which we have gotten from BA city flyer and Republic Airways (YX). So in the next few months to year 12 new planes in all!!!!!
Excellent work! Such a good analysis. Will we see you in Dubai in Nov?
I'm flying on Singapore Airlines A350 premium economy this year. I hope it's as good as everyone says it is!
its a great plane to fly on, you'll love it
Don’t worry , the beautiful Singapore girls will make it good unlike U.S. carrier’s with transgender whatever wanna call them ?
You will love it. It's a fantasic plane. Was amazed how quiet and comfort it is.
Some of your photos ARE awesome!
Can't wait to see you in Dubai soon ;)
I believe airlines are not ordering 777x because of the delays as well. If they want to overcome a capacity crunch in a short space of time, 777x might not be the best solution because the deliveries are not going to be soon. Airline ordering 777x must be either due to long-term expansion ambitions or due to fleet renewal in my opinion.
Air India ordered 10, and emirates will be placing a huge order most likely at the Dubai airshow for more a350s and 777-9s
@@mmm0404 cool, passengers will be hoping their flight will be on the 350
@@mmm0404 Air India only confirmed it's order that it announced earlier this year.
@@ant2312well that is some people’s opinions
@@ant2312 I'm sure they will be looking forward to the 10 abreast a350. Lol. The 777-9 will now be the one with 18" seats. Nice
This was some great information! Thank you, Coby!
Just a question. Is the Embraer 190/195 E2 in a stale mate like the 777X??
No, different size.
If you have to bend over that heavily to fabricate a "loose" for Airbus, I'd say all is well in Europe :D And no, I am not a fan of the 10 abreast setup at all. But I think it has nothing to do with Airbus. It rather is up to us consumers to let the carriers know how we feel about those. Prices are too high right now anyways and before long, carriers will notice.
Concerning the 777X - yeah, well, the obvious widebody in the room (muharharhar) is the fact that with a Boing airliner these days, you never know when or if it will actually come. And chances are, that it won't fit the business model when it arrives. Carriers moved away from jumbos for a reason. Reusing them in a pinch, ok that simply is common sense. Investing in a fleet of new ones...that would be unwise. Honstly, I have no idea what Boeing was thinking with this plane. Then again, I do not understand most of what they do nowadays.
So what makes you such an expert? Do they consult with you? What does fabricate a "loose" mean? You talk crazy. 😜😜🤡🤡👈👈
8:59 It's gorgeous.
Everything relates back to the 19990s debates about increasing aircraft capacity vs airport movement capacity and more small aircraft. Essentially it is Boeing's fault they moved the market away from larger aircraft.
Boeing wishes they had that kind of power
@@mikelliteras397 It's not about power or even transportation, it is about money and competition. Boeing made the gamble and the pitch to move away from large aircraft at the time its counterparts was investing deeply in it. They promoted a commercial aviation system of more smaller aircraft. Most of the world's airlines bought in. Is it a superior system? Maybe. But it is the system Boeing wanted.
as a boeing fan i didn't have issue if boeing took all the L from this show. its just a business, why we need to care too much about that? 😅
but i thought 777X took 10 orders from Air India, or did i miss something?
Edit: yeah i missed something. Air India deal is announced back in february 2023. Further announcement in this show maybe just for "finalization".
Maybe those were already counted in the February order ("Air India also closed a huge deal with Boeing"), not again now where the deal "only" seems to be finalized.
@@JohnnieHougaardNielsen thank you for the info! 🙏
Yeah that wasn't new news other than they tried to make a show of finalizing of what was already done. The 10 777's were already on Boeings order book.
Considering PW the Airbus option by PW is just a bit bigger and powerful then the one from the competion, this might have made the deal.
Bingo! Exactly what I was thinking. GTF is the better choice simply because of the power it provides. So Leap didn't even have a chance.
"United has over 100 737 Maxes on order" they have over 400 on order! That's a much bigger number
haha fair enough
That is still over 100
An order is one thing, actual delivery is another.
@@jeremypearson6852 what? You don't think they're going to get them? They're picking up like 2-4 planes a week from Boeing...
@@jeremypearson6852 True but United is phasing out their remaining 757 fleet. They're going to need to upgrade quite a few planes.
I was there yesterday 😊
I am from a developing country like Philippines. Most of us are really frugal and wouldn't mind 10 abreast smaller seats, given the seats are cheaper than other carriers by at least $50 on a long haul/ultra long haul flight
In my experience Airbus planes were more comfortable than Boeings. I had a nightmarishly cramped flight on an LTE 767 on the one windiow seat with NO WINDOW owing to the dense configuration. A fellow passenger on the seat beside me was 6'2" and had to bend his legs sideways because he had practically no legroom... In contrast the Airbus seats were all more comfortable and had more leg-room. So I'm rooting for Airbus and Philippine Airlines, as a Filipino myself. You are right, as far as Filipino passengers are concerned, if they can save money for their frequent family- and work-related trips abroad, they will be happy to spend 17 hours in a 10 abreast configuration. Non-Filipinos, not so much, but the overwhelming majority of pax transposted by Philippine Airlines is Filipino. Mabuhay!
Seats configuration is airline dependent
Not smart.
Cool channel. Nice production value.
Coby, how did the Embraer Military 390 plane do? Greetings from Sao Paulo, Brasil.
I hope Planespotters start making the distinction between NPS A350s vs non-NPS, similar to how they differentiate ACF A321NEOs as A321-2..NX, whereas A321NEOs with the classic door config don't have the NX suffix
I was at the Paris Air Show and it's amazing seing all this information afterwards! Sad I didn't got to meet you haha
Coby, Did you say no 777X orders? Did Cathay Pacific not order the 777X Freighter?
The problem with the 777X seems to be the size. There may have been almost 1000 A350 sales but only about 20% are A350-1000s, which is the comparable Airbus model. Airlines are still looking at point to point services as the future. It is what killed the A380.
Dear Coby,
Could you please Explane why boeing is not developing a new version of the 767 to compte with A330neo?
Because the 787 is the A330 Neo competitor and it’s doing very well, the 777x will be what is competing with the A350
I love the new A330
Looking forward to the other Paris Airshow videos.
🎉200k🎉
Even for a 7 hour flight those seats look hella tight. I'm 1.76 and 95kg with a buff build and my shoulders ain't fitting there and making others uncomfortable would bug me the entire flight.
Congrats to Embraer!
Interesting for months there have been rumors that Delta was going to place an A330 and A350 order and so far nothing.
I'm waiting for that order also
Your presentation style has massively improved. It seems like you have learned to relax or something.
xanax or something
Nothing should be 10 abreast. 8 abreast should be max! They should make airlines do a emergency evacuation on all high density configurations.
Not only that but the extra seat width makes a lot of difference in some comfort for economy passengers on long-haul flights.
Agree, 8 seats abreast is a good layout. To bad it’s only the A330neo who has this as standard in economy class.
all high density configurations meet the stipulated maximum evacuation time. The number of emergency window exits are increased on high density configs
How airbus will keep up with so many A320 orders is beyond me...
I've heard rumours of a new final assembly line in India but most probably it is complete bogus.
Expand the FAL at Mobile?
If the A220 has a faster surround time, then a320, might get swapped for some A220
The 500 orders placed by Indigo are for production slots from 2030 to 2035....thats how Airbus is keeping up
Source: Bloomberg interview of Airbus CEO
@@stephendoherty8291 They have even bigger issues with A220 production rates
Anyway nice vid
Air Caraibes already adopted 10 abreast A350 and yet no complains from passengers or bloggers. Yes, they operate half the distance, but passengers will adopt. Especially with Airbus widened cabin they’ll take some space from the aisle and together with extra 4 inches of the cabin no major discomfort to be expected. Also, it will take time until others will consider adopting 10 abreast, even some 777s are still 3-3-3.
Delta I think is the only remaining 3-3-3 777 operator, and they've said they intend to stay that way due to passenger complaints about the 3-4-3 777 cabins. Delta can pull it off because the Delta One suites are a marvel of packaging efficiency allowing them to have more premium seats than other carriers.
@@mrvwbug4423 sia also has a 3-3-3 seating config for their 777s
😊I Hope Airbus,Boeing Or Embraer wins this Paris Airshow 2023 but I'll watch now to see what happens now.
Oh, and turn that turbofan into a hoodie as well (colored fan on white and black - zip front please).
India with Air India and IndiGo took over 970 Aircraft deal
and they might exercise their options, making the deal even bigger
Really enjoy your balanced in-depth analysis of the industry. Keep it up!
Too many don't understand basic economics and mistake order success as a vote of confidence in their particular favourites (and then use other metrics to prove the same as their needs and prejudices must.)
But the reality is that while as a passenger I prefer the A320 over the 737, and believe that the A320 series has a future wheras the MAX probably cannot be viably developed any further, they are more similar than fans of each are prepared to accept.
While many will argue constanty about the MAX v NEO, the truth is that both are significantly cheaper to operate than either the NG, or CEO.
If faced with replacing the previous generation aircraft with the slightly better fit in 5 years, or the second choice much sooner, possibly by 2-3 years, what do you do? Especially if you can lease and return should circumstances change.
When you have competition so closely matched, the size of your order book may be the deciding factor between winning or losing that order.
So ironically, the more successful you are in filling your order book, the harder you make it for yourself to replicate that success.
Obviously, a complex matrix of factors is involved. I am only suggesting that what is available and the timing component, is too often overlooked when drawing conclusions.
How did you learn all of this driving a bus?
@RLTtizME As I said, it is basic economics, GCSE, or O level as it was.
Basic supply and demand theory is one of the first topics you cover..
I happened to take it to A level.
I need some posters of cats an bunnys!
👍🏻 Saludos Coby ✈️✈️✈️
Air plane yay ✈️
I think the A350 got 52 firm orders.
As always, interesting comparisons. I became a million miler on American 15 years ago. One thing I always noticed was that the Airbus planes would rattle more than Boeing on take off and landing. The other one was that Airbus did not have as good of cabin pressure. American screwed me over trying to zonk me for $3000 to change my date of travel due to emergency eye surgery in Rio. The doc did not explain to me about a bubble inserted in my eye, which had it popped mid-air would have had me screaming and the plane being forced to land. That came from my American doc. My cornea had ripped and my iris was tearing and leaking out of my eye. I still have many AAdvantage miles to spend but have absolutely no loyalty whatsoever to AA.
5:15 I really wonder what happened and if we’ll ever find the mechanics of those defects.
49 orders with 6 a350-900 and 43 a350-1000 how you can say it's looser
"loser"