Winners & Losers of the 2023 Dubai Airshow
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Intro - 0:00
Winner #1 - 1:30
Winner #2 - 2:33
Winner #3 - 3:49
Winner #4 - 4:31
Loser #1 - 7:41
Loser #2 - 9:44
Loser #3 - 11:40
Loser #4 - 13:07
Loser #5 - 14:24
Singapore '24? - 15:28
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There was a moment where I was legitimately concerned that the 2023 Dubai Airshow would be a little bit boring. After all, we've seen so many massive aircraft orders so far this year, that it seemed that no one was saving up for the show. But boy was I wrong. This year's Dubai Airshow was one of the biggest in its history, with some absolutely massive orders and announcements.
In what's becoming a bit of a tradition, I'm here at the show to give you all a first hand account of who walked out of the show a winner and who walked out a loser. So, who are the winners & losers of the 2023 Dubai Airshow? Let me explain...
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Boeing was testing the 777X-9 here in Montana (surprisingly) they did 3 take off and landings from our over 10k ft runway and good god is it a big bird. Watching those pilots navigate the taxiways that normally handle crj700 and 737/a320 (as well as 757/767, MD11* and a300 freighters) was neat. I’m glad I happened to be at the airport doing my occasional flight watching. We rarely get to see anything big like that and the -9 is huge
Former Boeing... I live about 175 miles from Everett now. Our Regional Airport has a 9,500 foot runway. We get a lot of Boeing aircraft doing touch and goes here. I live on a hillside and have a great view as they come in. After standing in front of those massive GE 9x Turbofans at Everett Plant, they look a bit smaller from a distance. Planes are quiet, but are sports cars. They can gain altitude so fast that it looks fake. At full thrust, those engines are pure magic.
What airport in Montana was it?
@@SJR_Media_Group I would love to be able to see stuff like that regularly. The observation area here is maybe 100ft from the taxiway and that engine is absolutely massive. It’s amazing something like that can fly, I mean I get the physicist but holy shit. Boeing has a facility (old Air Force base) where they do testing in north eastern Montana but this was from Moses Lake to KBIL. The 3rd time it took off, I hoped so badly it would come back one more time. I wish Boeing would release testing schedules (even tentative) as I’d drop everything to see them fly new variants into here.
Boeing and their amazing aircraft defy gravity and fly... how cool is that.@@jolness1
Never trust American products. Look at Boeing, got a certification but killed many people.
To be fair, I love both 777X and A350, but honestly, I saw both as in the separate league.
You forgot to mention the Gulf Carriers as winners because you sure said they were losers of the Paris Air Show. I don't see how you can call the 777-8 vastly inferior to the A350-1000 when the only advantage seems to be a lighter airframe in theory. If the 777-8 is predicted to carry more passengers and at least 10 tons more revenue cargo than the a350-1000...how is it vastly inferior especially now that Emirates is saying that the maintenance costs are up to 4x higher than the 777-300er? Yes,...engines are part of the maintenance cost.
the a350 1000 has 4x the maintenance cost of the 300ER?
He’s on Airbus promotion pay roll
@@oadka Sir Tim Clark stated that the XWB-97 engine can only do 1/4 th of the cycles that they expect so it stands to reason that the 777-300er GE-90115B's are doing exactly what he wants them to do which is 4x better than the XWB-97
Well said
The mainly thing is the the a350-1000 is already available while the 777x is not even in texting yet. That could be one of the reasons. I'm sure if ti come more early, the riders would benn better
Another great video. I can really see the improvement since you've been doing RUclips full time, not that your previous videos were bad. Very informative, straight to the point with no flim flam. Keep up the good work!
Highlight from the show was seeing those 777X orders. 777 is my favourite family of commercial aircraft, so seeing the orders despite the delays from Boeing have been really cool to see!
Late or soon it would fly 👍(it have to more than ever now) We just have to be patient.
Man this Embraer looks nuts!!💪🔥🔥but a little sad that there arent that many orders😢
Thanks for making this video! I been looking for a winners & losers video online!
I was really looking forward to your video and started to loose patience , can't wait for the upcoming videos
Another ( in a loooong line ) of fantastic videos. Keep up the great work and I'm looking forward to more Dubai and everything else in the pipeline! You are my favorite aviation content creator, with the " accent " guy right on your tail! 🙂 No worries though, you've got the Durham bonus points with the Duke extra credit, an impossible combo to beat! GO DEVILS!!
Man I really appreciate the time and effort you are spending in order to create your videos. I must say that your content developed greatly in the past months
Great video & analysis, thanks Coby 🙏🏻
The most out of field twist in Emirates’s fleet strategy is the switch from 787-9s to 787-10. The order for 789s was actually a conversion from an order for 78Xs
That face they were the launch costumers for the 10 in the past and that end they ordered again really say that is what that aircraft what they need all time
@@sergiolaurencio7534 No they were not the launch customer for the 10. That was Singapore airlines. Not really that surprising given Boeing now offers the HGW version of the 10. It will cover at least 80% if their routes now with more capacity over the 9
@@johniii8147yes, but they were also one of the first interest airlines in the type.
Seeing all the airshow videos pop up on the youtube makes me thankful that I was actually there to experience the airshow itself!
love this types of videos after an airshow!
Fine coverage of the Dubai show! Well done, Mr. Explanes.
Great recap Coby!
Nice update as always.
Awsome show! Wish i was there!
Hi Coby, I am a Student Pilot from India on A320 Aircraft Family. My favorite Aircraft is Boeing 737 Max and yes they now regained their trust. And you are my favorite youtuber in aviation. Watching your video from 1 Year. Love you brother.
My favorite aircraft is emirates boeing 777 ❤
Hi
Regained their trust made me laugh
How this can be your favourite aircraft? More than 300 People died in it. It is a terryfying aircraft Not to mention the quality issues with it.
@@thegimliglider See, I know it and 300 People Died on it. It's a very sad moment in aviation but when Boeing fixed it so it also provides passenger and pilot to relax and more better Navigations Systems, a well screen showing our air route and more updates. See I am student pilot, So before saying anything about aviation I think so much and then write it.
Good video but there was a math problem here:
90 777-X = 65 777-9 + 35 777-8?
I never expected boom supersonic to win tbh
It won’t
Good report and analysis. Thanks!
Awesome content! 😊😊
Great video
It's always interesting to me to hear anyone outside of Norway speak about Norse.
Thanks!
The Emirates 777X order should be a confidence boost for the 777X program. I m still waiting for the Turkish Airlines deal though.
Great vids 🙏🙏🙏🙏
My favorite aircraft is 777.
Happy for Boing and 777x
Competition makes things interesting.
In summary, Boeing is the clear winner of the Dubai Air Show. Despite getting its floor swept with the 500+ Indigo order at the Paris Air Show and the AF/KLM defection, commitments from Emirates and Ethiopian on their 777X and 737 MAX programs provide a huge boost to its beleaguered commercial aircraft division. Plus, they're also picking up some business in the freight sector with the Oman Air BCF deal. Not too bad at all.
However, I do agree that the unprecedented backlog of new planes the leading airlines - both FSC and LCC - have ordered has left smaller carriers left out to dry. Additionally, these planes are very expensive to purchase, which means that demand for leased aircraft will also continue to grow. I wouldn't be surprised that we may see orders that push the delivery dates to the 2040s. By then, a new revolutionary aircraft will be in production to carve a slice of the growing airline market (a la Boom Overture).
It's a bubble in aircraft ordering right now. We've seen this before and correct quite a few will never get delivered but both Airbus and Boeing well know this and have factored that in. Nothing new here in that regard. It's always been a highly cyclical business.
A continual loser in all these airshows is the A330-800 NEO. Not surprisingly, it is never mention at none of these airshows for the last few years. I think Airbus is now at 12 orders since debut.
The whole program broke even since it wasn't clean sheet so airbus wpuld rather be concerned about the a350
@@Tpr_1808 The A350 also broke even in 2019...so airbus is just concerned about sales in general at this point. The A330 NEO will probably go on to make a MRTT neo which can give additional orders
Wait didn’t I hear that the A330 Neo made a good comeback this year???
@oadka Tea. For the a350 I just meant they'd rather work to make the already goid product even better since it's selling very well
@@jlmarc01 Not at all. A few small orders for small carriers trickled in was it. Hasn’t been a major order in years now
Although I personally prefer Airbus widebodies/narrowbodies, no doubt what helps Boeing A LOT is that the US economy is doing much better than the EU economy (to be fair, the US economy is doing better than pretty much any developed nation) Inflation being much lower in the US definitely helps Boeing with the negotiations. Note that some Airbus are US made, though.
A cyclically sick local economy should HELP a large corporation having to compete so hard for capital and skilled labour on the supply (ie design and manufacture) side while not hurting said corporation if its demand is spread among healthier economies worldwide (as Boeing and Airbus' both are). Apart from which yuo are certainly exaggerating the diffrence in the current health of the US and EU economies. Perhaps you have in mind the UK as being part of the EU - the UK is sick from its self-inflicted embargo on their major trading partner.
@@kenoliver8913the US economy is growing at 4.9%, you’re false equivalency is meaningless
I cant wait to see the turkish airlines order, hopefully soon!
Everyone's a winner baby
Good coverage; having said that; I do believe that there is a lot of room for improvement. I suggest that you view some of other experienced and well known aviation You Tubers who covered the same show with vast difference in the quantity and quality of coverage. I wish you all the best and I am confident that you will excel a lot in this channel in the near future.
With the 777X Boeing are on a Winner But It Is Essential That They Get It Right This Time or Forget it.
Good Video.
Luv the air show content. Keep it coming!!!
Loving Cody's new drip
Nice video
I was surprised that Egypt Air ordered 28 planes (10 A350s and 18 B737 Max through a lessor) and retiring their 777s, the fleet renewal could also give way to a general renewal of the cabin concept and what Egypt Air‘s soft and hard product are
flushed with cash. sick reference.
I heard the AB fanboy wail of anguish all the way on the west coast.
As a fan of both Boeing and Airbus products...any success and advancement is a good thing.
The fanboys that hitch their entire personal worths to a "team'...deserve their dismissal.
Indeed. Despite my slight preference towards Airbus, I’m glad to see that the 777X is getting its recognition, vocalized by the Emirates order. Success for both Airbus and Boeing can push both companies to deliver cutting edge, safe products.
Is there a mistake?? 1:45 It should be 55 (not 65) 777-9 and 35 777-8.
Congratulations Boeing!
Hope to see u.s.carriers getting the 777-X in their fleets. Enjoyed the video! Lee Crolley,lll
Historicly the 777 like the 747 before is barely used in the US for domestic routes.
the 777F's from Fed Ex might be the exeption.
f.e. Delta (skyteam) uses it for its European routes from JFK
United for its Asian routes from the west coast.
The 777 like the 747 before is the workhorse for flying over the Atlantic and Pacific.
On this side of the pond a 777 is seen and used as much as bread and butter.
US, European, Asian, African and middle east carriers use f.e. Schiphol alot.
Will you go back to streaming?
Great video Coby! I love these winner and loser analyses and I say keep ‘em coming! The B777X family securing more orders is a very important step in the right direction for the program I think especially after laggy sales and high customer turnover due to delays. The 777X is my FAVORITE NEW JET I just wish a U.S. company would pick up the 777X! 😂🎉
Also the Airbus A350 program seems like it’s also doing well and I wish that the A350-1000 would also get a U.S. carrier to sign up for it but that’d mean no 777X would be delivered to that U.S. airline then.
Overall great video I have to go to the Airshow next year and cheers 🥂
Here’s to the 777X! 😊I’ll def buy a 777X poster and Singapore 🇸🇬 24 would be SWEET if I had the money 💰 😩
It may be a while until a US carrier orders the 777X. The 777-300ER's in service in America are all still young.
@@dynasty0019 With the wild backlogs though the order will likely come long before the delivery date, agreed tho that it will likely be a while anyways
@@dynasty0019 So far the 777X is a plane primarily for single hub carriers.
United has hubs in New York, Chicago, Denver, San Francisco, Houston, DC.
American has hubs in New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Charlotte, Dallas, Miami, DC.
Delta has hubs in New York, Atlanta, Boston, Detroit, Minneapolis, Seattle
That's why United and American are focused on the 787 going forward. And Delta has been using A330s and the A350-900.
I would expect orders for the 777X to only come for slot constrained airports like JFK and LAX, only after existing 777ERs have put on 22+ years.
The “poor” sales of 777x has been wildly exaggerated. It is now well over 400. Impressive for such a large airplane that isn’t yet in service. There have also been no customers that have pulled out of program Just some changes to order numbers.
What is the competition for for the Dubai air show
What do you think of Egyptair deal?
I don’t understand why people are against the Embraer E2. A fantastic jet, economical and super comfortable to fly in too
@@fht880 ??
Can I just point out the size of that A380 engine that seems to be bigger than the fuselage of that Embraer just in front of it?
777-9 engine is the same as 737 fuselage :p
I feel like one big factor on why Emirates ordered the 777x over the A35k is that a 777x has been in the middle east for testing over the last few months
That actually means the decision had already been made.
Emirates need the highest capacity aircraft to replace A380, only 777X is 'able' to provide that kind of capacity. Emirates still ordering A350-900, so it is not really a big L for Airbus.
Already 5 minutes in I'm really surprised?
wow
For the airbus A350 the large order for it came from Turkish Airlines will then surpass the largest Fleets in Asia Pacific region SQ 63 and CX 48
that hasn't been announced yet
Nice work Coby I didn’t even know I liked this stuff till I found your channel
You have to give credit to Boom's ability to fundraise with just a few animation clips. They cost way less than the actual engineering
Trust me, it will all come crashing down. Such things always do.
Wow geez… the A330neo got no orders to the point it’s not even worth to be mentioned as a loser. Wow
It wasn’t expected to. It’s in the draft they coming niche aircraft for smaller carriers At best
@@johniii8147 how so?? There were 0 orders for the A330neo wasn’t it?
@@ludwigtails my point was it was not expected to get any orders.
@@johniii8147 oh. Still, suck that it got zero orders.
@@ludwigtails Not really. It's just become clear airlines other than small ones just are not going for it an opting instead for the 787 or 350. The 787 in particular has taken it's market segment. Hasn't had a major order in years now. The market has spoken very clearly.
Wowza Coby your very handsome 👍 well done Mr 😊
Excellent analysis as always
The diversification of aircraft for Emirates at least tells us one thing. The A380 is going away at some undetermined point in time. So they are looking for similar alternatives. Capacity may decrease just a bit, but the revenue will be made up in fuel savings. Embraer may have answered the question of why Emirates would do this. With a 70% load factor in the Middle Eastern region, Emirates has to think long term and 300 plus capacity aircraft just doesn't fit the bill.
We already knew the 380 is going away at EK. Just a question of when not if since the plane is no longer made. The process is actually already started. They have already officially retired two of them and still have at least 25 of them grounded.
I think that perhaps, maybe, possibly, Ethiopian might be rethinking about that 737 MAX order...
Air New Zealand Boeing 787 - 9 launch customer with Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines - PAN-PAN after some take offs - single engine landing, now Air NZ has to deal with A320 Neo & 321 Neo with P&W engines being inspected every year for compressor and high pressure turbine defects. We should have had General Electric - Safran - CFM engines
What is that T-tailed military transport behind the E2?
Embraer KC390 it's a replacement for C130 Hercules. It's in operation by FAB Força aérea Brasileira and FAP Força aérea Portuguesa
@jogador_5605 I thought it might be a C-390 but didn't have a good enough look to be sure.
@@nomar5spaulding it's C390. C390 it's the same KC390
@@jogador560 Yes sorry, that was what I meant. It was what I thought, I just couldn't tell. Thanks man.
How do you get 90 out of 65 + 35?
Is it just me or does the Boom look a lot like the 1950’s Convair B58 Supersonic Nuke Bomber. Maybe GE has some J79’s in the back of the warehouse they could sell to Boom.
Hi Coby, as an Airbus Engineer, let me clarify that even though A359 and A35K are 2 different variations, from operational point of view there is no difference.. The crew will not need any additional training.. If I can stretch it, even the A380 crew can pilot the A35x and vice a versa with little to few changes in operational requirements. This is the beauty and goal of Airbus Common Cockpit which is visible also on SA-LR fleets. I guess the same can be stated for Boeing 787-8/-9 and 777s. So I believe the EKs fleet strategy is not exactly a loser.
Such things as a fleet commonality for pilot training for large international airlines are often overstated in importance for such carriers that are very used to and capable over operating a diverse fleets. Almost all of them have a mix of Airbus and Boeing aircraft and have the scale and expertise to support both. LH, BA, KLM, SQ, CX. EK, QR, EY, AF/KL, QF, etc all come to mind. The training cost is easy to offset in the deal for large orders.
I wish Boom the very with their continued funding to seek out engine development for the aircraft! Enjoy the video also. Great work. Take care bro. Lee Crolley,lll Lexington,S.C.29073
As for supersonic success, while the additional investment may see it reach the market, I wonder just how many units will be required to recover the development costs?
As for its engines, if they are starting from scratch and doing it all 'in-house', just what percentage of the current budget will be swallowed up, and how long will the design, development, and testing be?
I even wonder if further significant investment will still be required?
Will we see them going 'bust' closer to launch?
Could a new company then buy the assets to take the aircraft to market unburdened with the development costs?
It's mostly smoke and mirrors with BOOM. This will take many billions to successfully develop both the frame and engines. $750 million is but a drop in the bucket of what it would take for a tiny market for the plane and the time frame that would be required. They are a fundraising company, not one that will actually ever produce a plane.
Emirates is one of the most, if not the most, calculated, agile and successful airlines in the world. I disagree with your point on them ordering aircrafts first then figuring out what to do with them. They dont just leave it for the luck. Knowing Emirates, I think they are playing a new, startegic or innovative hand that no one is familiar with. Especially, there are wanna be players in the neighborhood copying whatever Emirates does and go after their partners and operaters. So I think it is a new disguised startegy from Emirates to create their business model 2.0.
Successful yes; calculated, probably not. Their biggest weakness was the lack of anything smaller than the 777, so it's harder for them to penetrate markets that don't need as much space. This is why Etihad and Qatar have a leg up on them in spite of having far less A380s.
And the pandemic put that weakness on full display when Emirates was forced to ground effectively it's entire A380 fleet.
I hope that Boeing bring out a 777X-10 aircraft.
That will be quire some time if ever happens. It will be status quo for Both Airbus and Boeing until the 2030s
I don't understand why it's so hard for Boom to find a suitable jet engine. There's any of a number of military jet engines that could provide enough power and fuel efficiency for their civilian supersonic jet. The GE XA100 Adaptive Cycle Engine which just got axed for the F-35 upgrade, would be an ideal candidate.
It's don't work like that armed forces don't have to follow noise and e p a rules.
45 million? That wouldn't get me an aircaraft!
Great Coby and great content as always
interesting that somehow it feels like Emirates does not realy crave for thise 787...
A point from a brazilian and ex staff of the airline, I woul not at all consider Azul as a lowcost. They name themselves so though having the highest fare and being I would say the only brazilian airline serving snacks selection and drinks on domestic flights not charging for nothing and the only airline in Brazil with personal ife on the whole fleet (only not in ATRs)
One winner is miissing: A220 order. Still an important one for short routes and market expansion.
It was a relatively small deal.
A330 Neo its also a big loser no Delta order so far.
Here's a rule of thumb: if an investment opportunity is relying almost entirely on advertising through RUclips videos... it's probably not a good investment.
Ethiopian actually made the biggest order!
hey coby, you know westjet, scoot, jetstar,... they all are low cost airlines with widebodies. if they can survive the market? why can't american, delta, lufthansa,... also be low cost airlines??? can u search it out for meee? thank you
Without A380, Emirates is just another premium airline. Neither B777X, A350, and definitely not B787 will give it the plate form to garner the luxury airline it wants to accomplish.
The defining factor about the A380, apart from the value it has to avgeeks, is its passenger comfort. Both the A350 and 777x are able to outmatch it due to their larger windows, better pressurization while giving the same 18" seat width. It remains to be seen however what seat pitch Emirates will field, which will set the legroom. Let's see if they are able to fit their luxurious first class suites as well.
They will have to find another strategy and know that
They could still offer a very luxurious experience, and those two planes have bigger windows, and higher cabin pressurization which is nice. They just won’t be able to fly as many passengers but a 777X-10 would get close-r. Plus they have a while before the 380 has to be retired imo. With no replacement, I think they will be more willing to hold on to them and refurbish interiors and do major overhauls
@@oadka Based on my personal flight experience on these planes (aside from B777X), A380 offers unparalleled quietness, space, passenger comfort, and most importantly possibilities for airlines to tailor and surprise you.
not efficient enough....
stan steal on the cert info is accurate
hiii
AZUL IS NOT LOW COST
I’d love to buy you a dinner and a drink.
how many deals sukhuilo got?
The E2 suffers from same engines as 220!
Not a problem on the E2 models
@@wololo10 just ask KLM about their experience with those Dependable Engines on their E2 fleet 😂😂😂
i love the 777x
Honestly I think Ethiopian’s order of 737 MAX has something to do with Ethiopia-US relation. The 737 MAX is absolutely better now, but whenever I step on that aircraft, I still worry a little. You know, it has just been 4 years after all
I'm never really concerned about a specific aircraft type. I get concerned about any 3rd world carrier. Their safety, training and maintenance standards are just not the same. Cleary Boeing really screwed up the MAX, but we never saw these issues other than that type of carrier. It was factor in all of it and the crashes exposed that and Boeing's mistakes. LOT of blame to go around there.
1:28 WOOF EMBRAER WOOF
why E2 control yoke look weird. like bicycle
Hey Coby Azul linhas aéreas is not a low cost!🤦🏻♂️ Is one of the best airline in South America
With these massive orders, what is brewing is a crisis, like a bubble, why are airlines getting so far ahead of themselves in such massive purchases? Will Airbus and Boeing be able to supply all those orders and at what cost? Will there be cancellations and legal litigation in the future? Only time will tell
An order bubble is nothing new. It’s happened before. Undoubtedly some will defer delivery dates and even cancel. That’s a given.
1 Star
Do the Chinese and Russian planes even try to sale anything there??
Rarely.
Hi Coby, your channel is fantastic, I have watched you from early days.
I really believe that the E2 is a seriously good plane and equals if not exceeds the A220. They need to up their marketing strategy of this really outstanding aircraft.
Regards from South Africa
Who feels like a loser now Mr Boeing fanboy?
Why would Emirates be interested in the 787-8?
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