ERIC BISCHOFF *Live Reaction* to Mr MCMAHON Netflix Documentary | Ep 5
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Eric Bischoff and Conrad are joined by WWE legal expert Mike Dockins to review episode 5 of Netflix's Mr McMahon, which covered Owen Hart's tragic death and whether Vince McMahon's childhood excuses or at least predicted his behavior later in life.
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Doc has been a great guest on the show here. Every single time he has spoken, his insight and opinions have been spot on and very insightful. He made some great points
59:30 Vince "didnt remember" about Sable becauses theres probably a NDA in place 😂
When’s the Netflix doc on Conrad coming out
As soon as HE pays someone to do it.
If you haven't came across it already there's a great series on RUclips by Wrestling Bios called "reliving the war" and he just went over the HHH/Stephanie wedding stuff. Really good channel.
Thanks
Wrestling Bios is the best
Never heard of Mike, but his takes on this stuff were great, and he really added a lot to this episode.
How do I get a membership? I've just retired and couldn't buy a doorknob for a bird cage.
I did not know about the rumor about Steph spilling the beans to the board. 🤯
I am definitely of the belief that she and Triple H did that, and if so, I'm glad they did.
Hey shout out to Tony Atlas in this doc....because he has seen a lot back in the WWF
The problem blew with Atlas is that he tells the truth according to what he believes. Listening to Cornette and others who were there or knew people basically said “it’s the truth. But it’s the truth that serves him”
Came here for the topic of the video.
Never thought he'd be in the doc. But makes me think the producers just wanted a comedic relief and opposite takes
The only person in the doc with less credibility than Vince is Atlas. Dude has never told the same story twice in a row.
If Sunny can be in the HoF with her outside the ring issues. Sable should go to WWE HOF she drew money.
Well too bad she doesn’t want to be Hof for some reason
Sable was trash, gtfoh with this HOF crap.
Conrad the Hutt suggested it becauae she was in playboy so Meltzer pulled his pud to her as Conrad pulled his pud to Meltzer. Fuckin clowns 🤡
If the Bella's are in HOF then anyone should be..
The playboy interview & his Howard Stern appearance but happened with in a month of each other (Feb playboy & March Stern show) and both up were the most telling Vince ever was it has been since.
Apart from the documentary, I’m happy with all of the spinoff review content we’re getting.
The positives should definitely have been highlighted. I understand that these documentary creators (like all content creators, even news anchors) had an agenda. That agenda should not trump giving an accurate picture of Vince McMahon as a person.
Im sure youd feel the same if it was your daughter
32:32 that’s been my wife’s reaction to this doc. She knows very little about wrestling and is blown away by everything.
Hold up Hold up, Comment Section...its survey time. How Many people came to see WCW? AND How many people came to see the N W O? 🤘🐺
Hey… Yo
Neither. I came to see Eric set Vince on fire as he so richly deserves. I've only watched the first part so I'll reserve judgment although, so far, I think eZe and the gang should be much harder on VKM. If it were the other way around, Vince would.
Remember Panama Beach?
Surveyyyy sayssss, one more for the good guys.
@Bill-tz3wg yea we remember what a character from wrestling did... he also gave actual talent a job and let's be clear this doc isn't to prove innocence or guilt or vince McMahon it's a documentary about mr.mcmahon that's one of the issues with them doing this during this time vince is in character as he normally is in front of a camera because that's what a camera is for... and then they include clips and moments during an interview to make him look guilty
@@xMainStreamx23 - MainStreamx23, first of all I want you to know I respect your opinion and admit neither of our thoughts on this can be proven.
I just think the docuseries weaves together a pattern of behavior in Vince that's consistent with him using the notion of "It's just a storyline and I'm only playing a character" as a get out of jail free card.
If we were to take all the things we actually do know about Vince behind the scenes they align very closely with the "Mr. McMahon" character...which I suggest is 98% true Vince.
Whether it be his sex scandals, how he treated interviewers like Costas or how he treated talent including his own children I think Vince (or "Mr. McMahon") is a devious and dangerous sociopath who cleverly used the WWE to enable his deviant behavior.
Again, we can't prove the truth either way. I would argue that's how effective he was as the sociopath I believe him to be. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to reply. If nothing else the Netflix doc wove together a lot of things we, as fans, have known for a while an included a few we didn't and has given us more insight into Vince. In the absence of absolute proof all opinions are equally valid.
Many similarities to the HBO show Succession
Bonnie hammer is also the one that got vince McMahon to hire ed ferrara as he was a television show writer.
There was another ibterview the mcmahon did with a magazine called cigar aficionado (i think thats what it was called)
No mention of China, but I think the most glaring omission is JR
I would have loved to hear JR. But Bruce was the only one from the inner circle. Where was Brisco, Kevin Dunn, and Johnny boy?
There should be a documentary on Eric Bishoff and Jim Ross.
70% of this audience never heard of Vince's Playboy issue?! Hell I had a subscription then, and got the issue in the mail.
Congratulations on being old
You had a Playboy subscription? I would be embarrassed to admit that.
@thomass789 to embarrassed to admit it, yes, but that wouldn't stop you taking out an annual subscription
Well tbh not all playboy magazines were available outside US. Im from Philippines btw and i was 19 yrs old back in 2001 and there were no playboy mags here
Playboy or playgirl because he didn't have an issue of playboy he was interviewed for one
I'd love to see a documentary on Sting!
I am with Conrad regarding Sable.
With the bar being set so low, she certainly warrants a HoF induction. But it is not the biggest travesty if she never goes in.
I think the 'stickiness' regarding the lawsuit with Lesnar potentially being a party in the case will prohibit her from going in.
There is no real benefit for WWE.
Given the size of WWE now, the world wildlife fund has likely lost this long term. Had they agreed a % fee or similar for using WWF they’d have cashed in. Context wise nobody would confuse the two brands, so they should have worked with WWE.
One guy complained they would say I'm from the wwf at the airport and they would assume it was wrestling I wouldn't be offended I'll just chuckle, he'll MLS had it worst they were confused with real estate instead of a pro league and even Google would show listing's over them for many years.
Bill Simmons will not get any of the boys approval to do anything in Pro Wrestling again he is going to be blacklisted by the industry.
Glad you read that Playboy interview. Yesterday you said that he held his Mother in high regard. How could he when he says she sexually abused him?
Conrad PLEASE….. don’t get up
Why do people hate on Conrad so bad?
@Sam-us3sp because people are stupid and jealous so they attack and make fun of others more successful than them. That's a lot easier to do than looking in the mirror.
The one time Vince has looked back is with Randy Savage. There must be some history behind the reason why Macho Man has been exculeded from the HOF. Something definitely happened and Vince has never explained it.
I have read previously that Savage never forgave Vince for forcing him out of in-ring performing (made him an announcer) and Vince never forgave Savage for taking the Slim Jim sponsorship with him to WCW. Not sure if that’s the reason.
Yeah the rumor is he slept with Stephanie when she was 16-17.
That's why Vince didn't want him in and I'm sure her husband doesn't feel any different about it.
Savage was inducted in 2015
Also just to include it cause why not sting vs taker was the plan for mania 32 but because of the injury they threw Shane into that match instead 😢 that's what it seems to me
Eric was in Vince costume when he kissed Stephanie. Didn't that never call anyones attention?
Paul Heyman is a genius.
Conrad is absolutely right. This is not going to trial it will be settled or only done in arbitration.
Vince McMahon doesn't like Shane hence why Stephanie was the "heir apparent".
Due to the fact that I have not seen the documentary, there should be a good side of Vince McMahon .......
Not sure if you're taking questions but I was wondering if any questions about Randy Savage were asked of Eric.
Really enjoying this breakdown. Thank you for creating this commentary.
I was at the RAW when Test was suppose to marry Steph and HHH ruined iT 😂 my first WWE event! I was 14 years old. Great time and I still remember Kane’s fire pyro 🔥 you could feel it.
Shawn Michaels for another Bill Simmons documentary
The doc doesn't seem to have created as much buzz outside the wrestling bubble as might have been expected.
Oh look who it is mr runour and innuendo aka hagrid 😂😂
184729 adverts later and I’m finished
It seems like sometimes Vince's modus operandi isn't fully understood.
His offensive mode involves Vince seeking to hoard all the power, fame and money (in that order) and he has no moral guidelines to consider. He just wants more, more, more.
Vince's defensive mode involves minimalization, marginalization, mitigation and obfuscation. Since this is less obvious than his offensive mode, let's take a deeper look.
So Vince is open about the sins of his mother and stepfather. Is that a surprise? Not at all! It serves, in Vince's mind, to make him a more sympathetic figure and MITIGATE some of HIS subsequent moral/legal controversies.
So Vince didn't remember much about a lawsuit pertaining to Sable? Really? Of course not. He denied remembering and followed by saying he remembers she came back to work. That's Vince MARGINALIZING the charges Sable brought against him.
I actually think Vince used the wrestling storyline concept to fulfill fantasies in the ring and/or on television. I mean, it's just "Mr. McMahon"...right? Wrong! Mr. McMahon IS Vince and was a vehicle he used to OBFUSCATE the reality of what he was doing in the ring, backstage and in private. His huge ego allowed him to think this would be 100% effective in deflecting any valid complaints or charges that ever would be brought against him.
If this is a bit much to absorb, let me simplify. Vince's offensive mode is morally bankrupt but not criminal. Vince's defensive mode is immoral and was designed to allow him to get away with criminal behavior. No doubt about it. He's 100% guilty of everything mentioned in the doc but those charges probably only account for 10% or less of the totality of his crimes.
why does Conrad think people watch this too
his opinion?
Can someone please tell Eric, even though it is called a cough button, you can also use it when you clear your throat.
They never bought up the live sex celebration with Edge and Lita in the middle of the ring
Why would they?
@@thomass789 cuz it was controversial
AEW isn’t competition either Conrd ya mark mook😒
They are competition for talent but that's where it ends
Everything sports or entertainment is competition. "Winning" does not mean AEW is not competition
@@josiah1218 they are competition for talent that's where it ends. WWE is in a land by itself. Aew is a distant number 2 and that's OK. They just got a huge increase on new TV deal
Holy f’n adverts
Conrad needs a LOT of food
There are far less talented and significant characters in the HOF. Really Eric come on lol
Linda worked with Vince and under TRUMP. Linda McMahon is an OG.
We hate Bruce because he knows everything that went on behind the scenes. Him being an apologist doesnt help, but nobody outside the business has ever liked Bruce
Stephanie was more like Vince than Shane.Thats why she overtook Shane in the company
Juat a commercial putting over the documentary
If the if The Bushwhackers can go into the WWE Hall of Fame, then so can Sable
Haha my dad had that issue of playboy.
Cheap publicity for raw going to Netflix
Is anyone else tired of hearing Conrad say how something is a back look in 2024? Some of it is just a bad look in general, I’m tired of the lame “everyone is woke” narrative as an excuse for people not liking things in bad taste.
No, I miss the 80s and 90s. Modern day society is a joke.
Aren't the worthless Bellas in the hall of fame before Luger? 😂
What’s the difference between an advocate and a manager🤔🧐
lol… people canonize Chyna now… and pretend she was a huge draw. Reality: she wasn’t. She drew nothing. She was a decent and recognizable side character / valet and had a unique look - that’s great. Nobody paid to see her and she was lucky to get anything she got. Unreasonable demands were a big mistake. History shows I am right… wwf went on without Chyna without the slightest stutter on any level. She was useless on the mic, poor in the ring, not believable wrestling men, and not attractive enough to draw as eye candy.
As usual a troll knows nothing about attitude era back then. Nice try kid!
@@pinroshan020 in 1987, Owen hart gave me his personal reference to attend the Hart Bros wrestling camp. Tom Stanton gave me a reference for Al Tomko’s camp. You have a cartoon pic snd all you videos are playing video games in the Philippines. We can tell who the kid is.
If you’re triggered by my comment then fine - disagree. Have the maturity to make a case for it. Don’t debunk yourself with ridiculous ad hominems that are clearly projection.
@@pinroshan020I watched back then and I agree. She was a good character but how many tickets did she sell?
Eddie and Chyna were a huge draw (large part of his success). DX with Chyna was huge starting wise. Chyna beating up men was huge.
Once she leaned out and glammed up she lost luster.
@@Dads1stTime Yeah Virgil AND DiBiase were a huge draw too. So was Stone Cold and Datacipher but Vince wouldn’t pay me a million! But you’re right of course…. Eddie’s career went down the toilet with her.
Oh yah Chyna looking ridiculous beating up men was huge… Joey Buttafuoco boxing huge - very believable. You’re right though… I mean we often sit around today talking about some of the epic, tour de force Chyna matches.
Vince has nerve to compare himself to people in the projects... he was all but given wwf, and "paid" for it with profits it made...
Much like the WWE needed Vince the UFC needed Dana White and the Fertitta brothers. It’s easy for Shane to look at the UFC now and see it as a missed opportunity but, it probably wouldn’t have succeeded under his ownership.
I liked Vince's comment about that.. something to the effect of it sounds like a great idea when you're not using your own money
It also was far from an instant success under Zuffa. They lost a LOT of money though the first several years. There were times when they were close to bankruptcy. Ortiz shamrock probably saved them at one point… if one of those two guys wasn’t there… or got hurt…. Along with a with a few others like Liddell… they’d surely have gone bust. Plus zuffa had.. connections.. to the athletic commission in Nevada… which helped them with sanctioning. Heck even if one Donald Trump hadn’t been one of the few people who thought ufc could be a big thing, they’d have gone under. Trump helped them with some key events early on.
Vince is a hypocrite he went to go live with his father who in turn was wealthy.
You weren’t supposed to notice that.
Shane didnt have the business savy his sister did.
Bischoff looks old.
Umm.. he's in his mid 70's🤷♂️
He’s 69
@@ameliastencil6058he’s 69, but close enough
Conrad is an AEW mark mook😒
The World Wildlife Fund sucks😒
Today’s “standards” suck😒
I did not know about the rumor about Steph spilling the beans to the board. 🤯
AEW isn’t competition either Conrd ya mark mook😒
Well aew is a competition for TNA anyway
Conrad is an AEW mark mook😒