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I think it's interesting that throughout the whole of the series, whenever "WWF" or "World Wrestling Federation" is stated, the subtitles say "WWE" and "World Wrestling Entertainment" 🤨
The big thing for me was Rita Mero suing McMahon for either SA or S Misconduct, she goes back to WWE and then ends up with Brock Lesnar. Interesting order of events when you consider what has been alleged by Janel Grant. If her case goes to trial, I wonder if Rita Mero would be called to take the stand...
I think he's broken after everything that happened in his childhood, doesn't excuse anything he's done, I know that, but I really feel like something inside him got destroyed
The response to the rape allegations with "... And even if it was rape it's outside the statue of limitations" vile awful had to stop watching and take a walk at that point
There was so much generational trauma he threw on other people. A continuing loop of hurt and pain. All stems from his incest with his mother, neglect from his father, and physical abuse from his stepfather, all played out in front of tv/audience. In a parallel universe, he would be a serial killer.
Vince was also raised during a time of “Grin and Bear It”….people didn’t discuss feelings especially if you were a male. All that suppressed trauma and not knowing what to do with.
I forget who said it, but "wwe mirrors reality." his history of trauma came out as wwe storylines. Shanes trauma during this shows what ppl say about passing down abuse.
I gotta say, I have been watching WWE from the Iron Shiek days, I followed this and remember how it happened as it was happening. I didn't learn anything that I didn't already know. Surprised they skipped over Eddies death or Angles exit.
The owen stuff and the concussion stuff just made me sad. Saying you didnt cancel the show because nobody saw him die they just saw an accident woof man. Later on casting doubt on cte being a thing. Saying taker didnt remember the match not because of the concussion but because he was in shock at having his streak ending... steve saying he doesnt remember his concussions... brother thats the concussions talking. Spend 5 minutes with mick and listen to him talk about how he forgot where he lived and drove past his house. Thats one of the major reasons why he retired.
1:08:41 I’m not sure if you heard Paul Heyman tell Stephanie “he’s putting you against him. He always has and always will”. It was something to that effect. I found that compelling as far as the family dynamic went with Shane and Stephanie. It’s like Vince wanted them to compete against him for the thrill of the challenge, or to show his superiority to his own kids.
My biggest complaint, too much focus on the business itself and next to no focus on the collateral damage. The family of Nancy Argento. The families of the countless wrestlers who died young. Anyone who was a victim of the ring boy scandal. All absent. It was all just "well, this happened" then they moved on.
Let me guess you’re also upset that the Gobbledygook and the death of Bruiser Brody weren’t involved either? What does the death of young wrestlers or anything you wrote about have to do with Vince?
Most of this we knew but what surprised me the most is Vince claiming that Taker doesn’t remember the match with Brock because it was such a shock to him that he would lose at Mania, not because he was severely concussed. This shocked me most because of the close relationship between the two and how Taker has always talked about Vince leaving Mania and going to the hospital with him. This is so telling to me.
I do think I said in a post on the shorter review that Vince McMahon takes out his anger and urges through the character he was portraying on television. I truly believe that Vince wanted to give a middle finger to the world through his “onscreen” alter-ego. He doesn’t have remorse for anyone EXCEPT himself. He talks about his abuse as a kid, but doesn’t mention the abuse his talent, male and female, were subjected to during his tenure. He even contradicts himself saying that the onscreen character is different from the man, but then says the lines are blurred between reality and fiction. I believe he’s out of his mind, and I believe he has some sort of dementia or something mentally wrong. You can tell by the way he booked the WWE shows from about 2017-2021. The Tribal Chief character was Roman’s idea. It’s just mind boggling that there isn’t more revealed about how depraved Vince actually was
Always brilliant to see Dave Bradshaw and wonderful to hear their insights into things. This is a great show all around so a big thanks to both presenters and everyone working behind the scenes to make it happen 😊
21:25 the sexual abuse was committed by his mother, which is what I’m guessing propelled him to move in with his father. He briefly mentions an incest-type relationship with his mother, which could explain his deviant sexual behavior towards talent and staff he had working for him. I’m not a qualified psychologist, but Vince is someone I would want to study if I was.
I don’t think Mushnik was implying he was implying that he was actually talking to the feds. I think he was saying that he was an informant, only in the sense that he was writing about it, they were reading the stories, and deciding to look into it.
That’s what I was coming in to say. He says (paraphrasing) Yeah, I was an FBI informant…in that the FBI read my articles. I didn’t take it that he was explicitly working with them.
Yeah. When Vince repeatedly says that Vince McMahon and the character Mr. McMahon are completely different while EVERY person they interview answers that they think they are very alike while the character is just a bit exaggerated. Literally everyone says that, even Shane and Stephanie.
1:28:35 they were humiliated on live television if they refused to do what Vince wanted. Some of that we can see with even popular stars that killed their momentum. So, it could be an argument that Vince’s ego was more important to him than making money, and he wasn’t all about business as he claims. If it was at the expense of others, then he didn’t care. But, his ego was more important to him at times than the business was.
Oh wow they brought Dave in, huh. I guess Dan and Pete leaving really stretched the on-screen crew a bit thin lol. I love Dave, and I hope we see more of him ❤
56:39 I think part of the controversy is that Jim Cornette claims to have given Vince the idea for the Screwjob in the booking meeting with him and Russo. And honestly I can obviously see either one of Cornette or Triple H be lying about it or even both of them being truthful. They're both absolute wrestling geeks who think more alike about wrestling than they care to admit probably
Just finished this myself. One bit I haven't seen brought up was one of the times Vince was asked about similarities between himself and Mr. McMahon, he not only said none but then said something ala 'Even if other people you ask say different... Jokingly'. This to me is an insight into manipulator Vince. He knows others (and maybe the interviewers have already mentioned at this point) are contradicting the story he wants people to believe, so now he's trying to paint it in your mind that the talent that say they're one in the same are just throwing some banter about their friendship with him.
35:24 Hulk admitted this on the Chris Van Vliet podcast. Not sure if Hulk has admitted it beforehand, but it was in that podcast where I first heard him admit to it
I could see maybe Vince wanting Dusty to have gotten into shape and Dusty refusing and thats what he meant by failing to capitalize? I can see Vince liking his charisma especially when you compare him to backlund's lack of charisma.
58:51 Undertaker is a Vince guy through and through. He said that Vince was indeed fighting with Bret, not that Vince gave him a free shot (which Vince definitely says he did)
I think ronda rousey, anderson silva, connor mcgreggor et al shows that big characters thrive in UFC. I wonder if Kurt Angle, Lashley etc would have jumped brands earlier
Vince talking about his favourite wrestler whom was a bigger fella not all ripped etc was weird considering he was always pushing muscular tall men and didn't seem to wanna push chubby guys or smaller guys like Danielson
I am not sure my dad ever said the words that he 'loved' me as it is not a very done thing in Danish. He probably did say it somewhere along the way, but it was really wasn't needed. My dad loved my very much. Even when he was mad at me.
Some uncomfortable Stephanie realization moments... The Mike Tyson, "But this was before he was... convicted... of... r***...." trail off... Then Heyman's, "Vince always puts you in a situation where you two are at odds..." and her just saying, "It sure feels that way! Hahahahaha!" and you hear Heyman just sadly utter... "No, Steph..." Yikes
Vince wanted to stop the Shane-Angle match at KotR 2001. So I have no doubt he would have called off the Over The Edge show, had it been Shane. He didn't give two shits about Owen.
While a lot of the history that this documentary covered wasn't new information to wrestling fans, I think it truly did shine a new light on the kind of man Vince is and how he thinks. The main thing that I noticed is that he's incapable of admitting when he made a mistake. Every time they bring up one of his past failures/controversies, from things like the XFL to the misogyny of the attitude era to something as serious as Owen Hart's passing or Chris Benoits CTE, he always sticks to his guns, even all these years later. He'll always double down or try to shift the blame to someone else, he never once admitted he was at fault. While I didn't believe a lot of the things that Vince said, I truly believe that he is perhaps incapable of feeling regret.
The Vince McMahon Netflix docuseries didn't cover anything new. We didn't get nothing out of the sexual allegations and the Janel Grant case. The show was more about the history of WWE. We didn't get to hear Cena, Shane, Stephanie, Austin, Bret, Taker, Prichard and the other wrestlers responses of how they feel about Janel Grant. Do they know her, and believe her? They also failed to show Stephanie McMahon's response about the Ashley Massaro incident where Steph was accused of covering up. And they didn't have Stephanie explain her WWE departures. I'm surprised they didn't have Vince's stooges: Gerald Briscoe and Kevin Dunn participate in the docuseries. Dunn will probably not wanting to show his beaver face on TV, and refuse to talk about his best friend, Vince McMahon.
The thing that is so annoying about the screw job is Bret was under contract for like another 5-6 weeks. Offer to drop the belt to Shamrock and Taker. Just didn’t want to do it to HBK in Canada as he was a horrible person and Bret has creative control on his contract. How is Bret the issue? 😂😂😂
Honestly I’d like a wrestling news channel to dig up dirt on the more realistic side of the business instead of spoiling us all the time. “Kayfabe” was brought up in an episode, and I want to see more of the outside thought process that goes into a show. TNA, AEW, WWE, New Japan. We’ve seen these shoot interviews about wrestlers saying “oh yeah this is what I think happened years ago”. Not all the facts are remembered or remembered correctly. Get it while it’s fresh. That’s my takeaway from this documentary at least.
The thing that I don't understand is: If he didn't want it published, why do the documentary, where he'd give such brutally honest, scathing comments regarding the things he's done in the past, leading up to where things lead to his current position today? Wouldn't it have been far better, to do a regular interview, quite like the ones we find online that are either political or non-political, and let the information be out there for us to search for and find, like everything else, if he was so concerned about it? Just my thoughts. If he had no regrets, then he should remain steadfast (ten toes down) in his thoughts and actions. He's only concerned, because it means he's going to lose everything that has his name attached to it, due to all the inhuman acts. He has created a great thing, and it's brought everyone together under this umbrella, but if he were a better individual of character, he could've shared in it with his family, and the ones who shared that passion with him from the start.
I am not saying that this is what you are doing, just pointing it out as it's a pet peeve of mine. The impulse in "tell all" stories is to focus on new information. But don't forget to talk about the truly terrible things that we already know. Novel doesn't necessarily mean important or newsworthy. And "old info," doesn't necessarily mean unimportant or not newsworthy.
I have so many questions... did the Bret punch start this down fall?? Why do the Owen stunt at all if it wasn't for the live crowd?? And does anyone else think Vince's mindset, do as i say not as i do
The stunt was for the live crowd, on the video package before the match it was an interview of Owen and his music played so he started to come down to early and the quick release got pulled.
it was a match for Sunday Night Heat show (before the ppv went live) with matt hardy and Brood blood bath thing , its not real blood ... it was shown on 83 weeks review of the doc
I think vince is bipolar, idk, that thing he said about the computes in his head reminded me of my manic episodes. Big diffrence, i got help. This is a rich powerful man, whos been around for a long time, and is surronded by yes men
For me the documentary had few new things but it confirmed timelines and we got to hear it from new voices. But at the end i felt Vince did not care for the ones he did not like and was like a good god to those he liked and that was loyal to him and only him. Almost like a cult leader.
The Documentary of Vince was just a regular documentary.. All I got from it was Vince was a businessman and everything was money to & for him . Did he lose dome morals along the way FUCK YEAH!! He was protecting his business and the wrestling business. Was some of his responses uncomfortable given the Sexual Allagations DAMN RIGHT!! But then again it does say multiple times that this was filmed before the everything happened.. But technically he was doing it while it was happening 😁🤣. Real MVP goes to Tony Atlas he told NO LIES 💯
Im 3/4 through episode 5 and its nothing i havent heard before so is it good for the netflix crowd yes.....is it good for wrestling fans who wanted a deeper dive no
Vince McMahon is a fundamentally broken person. So much of the documentary shows how his childhood trauma informed so much of who he is. He hurts people who love him because he can never find that love.
I dont understand how so many people will believe Literally. Anything. Jim Cornette has to say about Kenny Omega, but when he's on record claiming Paul Heyman is the Absolute King of Habitual Liars in a business (historically) full of them, umm...i don't know. i think i'm going with Paul E. on this one. If "kill me, Shane" had actually happened, i believe there is a roughly -6,493,514% chance Heyman wouldn't have spilled those beans Long. Ago. The knife story smells exactly like bullshit.
From the little I’ve seen online nothing surprises me about that documentary, but let’s be honest. He’s not with the WWE anymore so they don’t give a shit these fans don’t give a shit. They will spend their money because they’re entertained by the company. Can you imagine if he was still in the companythey could care less about what he did or didn’t do when you entertain people on that level like WWE has done past all this bullshit were 100% culpable in helping creating this man
The story of Triple H being 'in the doghouse' and 'getting buried' following the curtain call is so overblown. He did jobs for a few months and then they put the IC trtle on him and gave him Mr. Perfect as a valet. Then they gave him Mr. Hughes and after that failed too, they finally put him with Chyna. I get so sick of that sob story. Boo Hoo Hunter.
For me, who’s a window shopping fan. Pays attention every so often because I used to love it as a kid, but never dove into the lore and history of the company or Vince
the whole Owen Hart story was tragic but people miss the part where Owen chose to do all the blue blazer gimmick. The show must go on afterwards was a horrible decision and wwe has been plagued with horrible decisions before and since
People ignore that bit cause in the grand scheme of things it's a VERY minor detail yes Owen was ok with being the blue Blazer, but he was under contract, he had a family , a wife a kid, he couldn't just quit, he had to support them he's a performer so he did his job whst mote can people say ?
@randomnerd3402 Yes, but it certainly was his choice to swing from the rafters on a rigging that was by all accounts very unsafe. I'm sure he didn't know his ultimate fate, but I highly doubt it was in his wwe contract that he had to portray the blue blazer character AND he had to zip line to the ring on a Keychain carabiner. As I said it was all a tragedy but I believe if Owen didn't believe it was safe he wouldn't have tried the stunt in the first place
@NancyBoi1984 obviously he did what was best for himself and his family. But he did agree to do an incredibly risky stunt that I'm sure he wasn't contractually obligated to do. But as yiu say it is minor in the face of the horrible conditions so many people reported since working under Vince
How does it fly over your heads that this documentary is a hit piece? It started when Vince was in the company so he agreed to do it and allow access. Then came the scandal is his subsequent firing. Ari Emanuel wants to distance himself and his businesses as far away from Vince as possible. What makes me believe this? The only stuff “fans didn’t know about” was Vince’s Childhood. Had this doc shown anymore about his childhood Vince would’ve became a sympathetic figure. He’s a result of A,B, and C so cut him some slack. Not to mention the footage can be edited anyway to tell a story they want.
Love how episode 1 covered the rich history of pro wrestling though it could have gone for 2 episodes TBH. Very cool insight into avince growing up, his relationship with his father and taking over the territories. Hate how Netflix opened the series with the allegations. Who gives a crap. Leave that to the judges.
I’ll say this, Vince and Stone Cold saying that they don’t believe in CTE makes so much sense. Vince is a bad influence on others because “oh since the boss doesn’t believe in this then I don’t either” he blamed Benoit on steroids instead 😒
I’m sorry this documentary doesn’t change or affect my overall feeling toward Vince , with all the good and bad he still is the reason why this page exist and we’re all wrestling fans in the first place 🤷🏽♂️
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I think it's interesting that throughout the whole of the series, whenever "WWF" or "World Wrestling Federation" is stated, the subtitles say "WWE" and "World Wrestling Entertainment" 🤨
The big thing for me was Rita Mero suing McMahon for either SA or S Misconduct, she goes back to WWE and then ends up with Brock Lesnar.
Interesting order of events when you consider what has been alleged by Janel Grant. If her case goes to trial, I wonder if Rita Mero would be called to take the stand...
The bit where he said that he has another side of his brain thats alway thinking about s3xual acts was quite revealing
FACTS.
Man a high school psychology class helped me figure that out a decade ago, the fact he admitted it mid interview casually was kinda wild 😂😂
He's a deviant
SEXUAL isn't a bad word kiddo
I think he's broken after everything that happened in his childhood, doesn't excuse anything he's done, I know that, but I really feel like something inside him got destroyed
The response to the rape allegations with "... And even if it was rape it's outside the statue of limitations" vile awful had to stop watching and take a walk at that point
totally something an innocent person would say
Another reason why Vince is a terrible person.
*statute ... but i think most people believe its statue 😂
There was so much generational trauma he threw on other people. A continuing loop of hurt and pain. All stems from his incest with his mother, neglect from his father, and physical abuse from his stepfather, all played out in front of tv/audience. In a parallel universe, he would be a serial killer.
And in another parallel universe, he's president
Vince was also raised during a time of “Grin and Bear It”….people didn’t discuss feelings especially if you were a male.
All that suppressed trauma and not knowing what to do with.
Incest from mother really?
I forget who said it, but "wwe mirrors reality." his history of trauma came out as wwe storylines. Shanes trauma during this shows what ppl say about passing down abuse.
I gotta say, I have been watching WWE from the Iron Shiek days, I followed this and remember how it happened as it was happening. I didn't learn anything that I didn't already know. Surprised they skipped over Eddies death or Angles exit.
That Shane knife story by Paul Heyman 😮
Imagine if he just stabbed him right there
I there so many crazy stories about the McMahons that I won’t be surprised if one of them goes to see a therapist once a week.
@@DamariJackson24nothing wrong with seeing a therapist.
@@blablablaa14 he should've in hindsight ngl
The owen stuff and the concussion stuff just made me sad. Saying you didnt cancel the show because nobody saw him die they just saw an accident woof man. Later on casting doubt on cte being a thing. Saying taker didnt remember the match not because of the concussion but because he was in shock at having his streak ending... steve saying he doesnt remember his concussions... brother thats the concussions talking. Spend 5 minutes with mick and listen to him talk about how he forgot where he lived and drove past his house. Thats one of the major reasons why he retired.
1:08:41 I’m not sure if you heard Paul Heyman tell Stephanie “he’s putting you against him. He always has and always will”. It was something to that effect. I found that compelling as far as the family dynamic went with Shane and Stephanie. It’s like Vince wanted them to compete against him for the thrill of the challenge, or to show his superiority to his own kids.
My biggest complaint, too much focus on the business itself and next to no focus on the collateral damage. The family of Nancy Argento. The families of the countless wrestlers who died young. Anyone who was a victim of the ring boy scandal. All absent. It was all just "well, this happened" then they moved on.
It is a documentary about Vince not about those other things.
I'm guessing the victims didn't want to he a part of it
@cjmk5923 "those other things " are a part of the vince story weather he likes it or not
Let me guess you’re also upset that the Gobbledygook and the death of Bruiser Brody weren’t involved either?
What does the death of young wrestlers or anything you wrote about have to do with Vince?
They have Dark Side of the Ring for a lot of that already
Most of this we knew but what surprised me the most is Vince claiming that Taker doesn’t remember the match with Brock because it was such a shock to him that he would lose at Mania, not because he was severely concussed. This shocked me most because of the close relationship between the two and how Taker has always talked about Vince leaving Mania and going to the hospital with him. This is so telling to me.
Nothing against Cultaholic, but I appreciate you guys going a bit more in depth on this documentary and how you all interpreted everything. Thank you!
This is wrestle talk not cultaholic
@everardoramirez3709 Yes, I know. That's why I said "Nothing against Cultaholic" before preceding to compliment WrestleTalk's channel. C'mon guy.
@@InspireCreate43 I make this mistake often as well, thinking basic reading comprehension is common! 😂
I found Cultaholic more entertaining, Wrestletalk more informative. Horses for courses.
I do think I said in a post on the shorter review that Vince McMahon takes out his anger and urges through the character he was portraying on television. I truly believe that Vince wanted to give a middle finger to the world through his “onscreen” alter-ego. He doesn’t have remorse for anyone EXCEPT himself. He talks about his abuse as a kid, but doesn’t mention the abuse his talent, male and female, were subjected to during his tenure. He even contradicts himself saying that the onscreen character is different from the man, but then says the lines are blurred between reality and fiction. I believe he’s out of his mind, and I believe he has some sort of dementia or something mentally wrong. You can tell by the way he booked the WWE shows from about 2017-2021. The Tribal Chief character was Roman’s idea. It’s just mind boggling that there isn’t more revealed about how depraved Vince actually was
Well written!
Always brilliant to see Dave Bradshaw and wonderful to hear their insights into things. This is a great show all around so a big thanks to both presenters and everyone working behind the scenes to make it happen 😊
I remember Steve Austin admitting to being concussed during the SS 98 match against the Undertaker.
21:25 the sexual abuse was committed by his mother, which is what I’m guessing propelled him to move in with his father. He briefly mentions an incest-type relationship with his mother, which could explain his deviant sexual behavior towards talent and staff he had working for him. I’m not a qualified psychologist, but Vince is someone I would want to study if I was.
I think that's what broke his mind/soul and made him this way
I don’t think Mushnik was implying he was implying that he was actually talking to the feds.
I think he was saying that he was an informant, only in the sense that he was writing about it, they were reading the stories, and deciding to look into it.
That’s what I was coming in to say. He says (paraphrasing) Yeah, I was an FBI informant…in that the FBI read my articles.
I didn’t take it that he was explicitly working with them.
What a great podcast discussion this! Love it team WrestleTalk!
The whole thing is Vince contradicting himself.
The production didn’t even have to push hard questions, they just let him hang himself.
Yeah. When Vince repeatedly says that Vince McMahon and the character Mr. McMahon are completely different while EVERY person they interview answers that they think they are very alike while the character is just a bit exaggerated. Literally everyone says that, even Shane and Stephanie.
What a awesome intro!! 💪🏻💪🏻
Great to hear a shout-out for Josie Riesman's Ringmaster! Incredible book
Wanted to stop by and like and comment. I haven't watched the doc yet so I'll be returning to the review
As a kid of the Attitude Era & not being a huge wrestling fan I learned a lot & was hooked
1:28:35 they were humiliated on live television if they refused to do what Vince wanted. Some of that we can see with even popular stars that killed their momentum. So, it could be an argument that Vince’s ego was more important to him than making money, and he wasn’t all about business as he claims. If it was at the expense of others, then he didn’t care. But, his ego was more important to him at times than the business was.
Oh wow they brought Dave in, huh. I guess Dan and Pete leaving really stretched the on-screen crew a bit thin lol. I love Dave, and I hope we see more of him ❤
I hope they kept Sat around
Dan's gone too?
@@o.g.francis9361 to pursue his master's degree yes, but he'll probably pop up here and there
@@LordBlakeWhitehouse wow that's alotta first name basis drops...😎 can you sign my signature journal for the heck of it?
@@o.g.francis9361 Went back to school, not like fired gone
Vince is literally Logan Roy. It’s also funny that Logan and Vince’s son in law ends up becoming the successor
Just finished it 🤯he's even more of a prick than I thought 😂
this is saying a lot especially when you consider the horrible things he is known for doing
A notable prick you might say
56:39 I think part of the controversy is that Jim Cornette claims to have given Vince the idea for the Screwjob in the booking meeting with him and Russo.
And honestly I can obviously see either one of Cornette or Triple H be lying about it or even both of them being truthful. They're both absolute wrestling geeks who think more alike about wrestling than they care to admit probably
Just finished this myself. One bit I haven't seen brought up was one of the times Vince was asked about similarities between himself and Mr. McMahon, he not only said none but then said something ala 'Even if other people you ask say different... Jokingly'. This to me is an insight into manipulator Vince. He knows others (and maybe the interviewers have already mentioned at this point) are contradicting the story he wants people to believe, so now he's trying to paint it in your mind that the talent that say they're one in the same are just throwing some banter about their friendship with him.
I watched first episode yesterday and today I went through next three. And I am exhausted. I don't know how you guys did it.
Love the Attitude intro guys, AND THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY ABOUT THAT!!!✊✊
35:24 Hulk admitted this on the Chris Van Vliet podcast. Not sure if Hulk has admitted it beforehand, but it was in that podcast where I first heard him admit to it
A lot of the stuff was also covered on the Vince documentary wwe released like 15 years ago
This doc actually speaks to the credibility of Meltzer... As compared to everyone in WWE
Vince's interview was a total work. We still don't know shit about his true self and i guess we never will.
I could see maybe Vince wanting Dusty to have gotten into shape and Dusty refusing and thats what he meant by failing to capitalize? I can see Vince liking his charisma especially when you compare him to backlund's lack of charisma.
I’m falling in love with Ollie. Except the Punk part. Colt Cabana Lives!
58:51 Undertaker is a Vince guy through and through. He said that Vince was indeed fighting with Bret, not that Vince gave him a free shot (which Vince definitely says he did)
I think ronda rousey, anderson silva, connor mcgreggor et al shows that big characters thrive in UFC. I wonder if Kurt Angle, Lashley etc would have jumped brands earlier
Thanks for doing this
Vince talking about his favourite wrestler whom was a bigger fella not all ripped etc was weird considering he was always pushing muscular tall men and didn't seem to wanna push chubby guys or smaller guys like Danielson
I am not sure my dad ever said the words that he 'loved' me as it is not a very done thing in Danish. He probably did say it somewhere along the way, but it was really wasn't needed.
My dad loved my very much. Even when he was mad at me.
I feel like in a way events are saying sable came back to work meaning that when she got paid it wasn't such a big deal
I listened to it on ear bud. I might watch it again on tv
Some uncomfortable Stephanie realization moments... The Mike Tyson, "But this was before he was... convicted... of... r***...." trail off... Then Heyman's, "Vince always puts you in a situation where you two are at odds..." and her just saying, "It sure feels that way! Hahahahaha!" and you hear Heyman just sadly utter... "No, Steph..." Yikes
Stephanie was off at that moment.
Mushnik explicitly said he *wasn't* an FBI informant
Vince wanted to stop the Shane-Angle match at KotR 2001. So I have no doubt he would have called off the Over The Edge show, had it been Shane.
He didn't give two shits about Owen.
Badass intro boys
While a lot of the history that this documentary covered wasn't new information to wrestling fans, I think it truly did shine a new light on the kind of man Vince is and how he thinks. The main thing that I noticed is that he's incapable of admitting when he made a mistake. Every time they bring up one of his past failures/controversies, from things like the XFL to the misogyny of the attitude era to something as serious as Owen Hart's passing or Chris Benoits CTE, he always sticks to his guns, even all these years later. He'll always double down or try to shift the blame to someone else, he never once admitted he was at fault. While I didn't believe a lot of the things that Vince said, I truly believe that he is perhaps incapable of feeling regret.
Holy shite that Raw is War intro song!
Vince never gave Bret a 'free shot'. He only took one, because Bret realized that was all he could get in, before all Vince's boys grabbed him.
The Vince McMahon Netflix docuseries didn't cover anything new. We didn't get nothing out of the sexual allegations and the Janel Grant case. The show was more about the history of WWE. We didn't get to hear Cena, Shane, Stephanie, Austin, Bret, Taker, Prichard and the other wrestlers responses of how they feel about Janel Grant. Do they know her, and believe her? They also failed to show Stephanie McMahon's response about the Ashley Massaro incident where Steph was accused of covering up. And they didn't have Stephanie explain her WWE departures. I'm surprised they didn't have Vince's stooges: Gerald Briscoe and Kevin Dunn participate in the docuseries. Dunn will probably not wanting to show his beaver face on TV, and refuse to talk about his best friend, Vince McMahon.
Loved the whole documentary
Watched it all last night and I’m still trying to process the documentary.
The thing that is so annoying about the screw job is Bret was under contract for like another 5-6 weeks. Offer to drop the belt to Shamrock and Taker. Just didn’t want to do it to HBK in Canada as he was a horrible person and Bret has creative control on his contract. How is Bret the issue? 😂😂😂
Honestly I’d like a wrestling news channel to dig up dirt on the more realistic side of the business instead of spoiling us all the time. “Kayfabe” was brought up in an episode, and I want to see more of the outside thought process that goes into a show. TNA, AEW, WWE, New Japan. We’ve seen these shoot interviews about wrestlers saying “oh yeah this is what I think happened years ago”. Not all the facts are remembered or remembered correctly. Get it while it’s fresh. That’s my takeaway from this documentary at least.
The thing that I don't understand is: If he didn't want it published, why do the documentary, where he'd give such brutally honest, scathing comments regarding the things he's done in the past, leading up to where things lead to his current position today? Wouldn't it have been far better, to do a regular interview, quite like the ones we find online that are either political or non-political, and let the information be out there for us to search for and find, like everything else, if he was so concerned about it? Just my thoughts. If he had no regrets, then he should remain steadfast (ten toes down) in his thoughts and actions. He's only concerned, because it means he's going to lose everything that has his name attached to it, due to all the inhuman acts. He has created a great thing, and it's brought everyone together under this umbrella, but if he were a better individual of character, he could've shared in it with his family, and the ones who shared that passion with him from the start.
He's so out of touch with reality that he honestly thought he'd come out of this looking good
Vince’s responses to Rita Chatterton and Owen Hart were vile!
I am not saying that this is what you are doing, just pointing it out as it's a pet peeve of mine. The impulse in "tell all" stories is to focus on new information. But don't forget to talk about the truly terrible things that we already know. Novel doesn't necessarily mean important or newsworthy. And "old info," doesn't necessarily mean unimportant or not newsworthy.
I have so many questions... did the Bret punch start this down fall?? Why do the Owen stunt at all if it wasn't for the live crowd?? And does anyone else think Vince's mindset, do as i say not as i do
The stunt was for the live crowd, on the video package before the match it was an interview of Owen and his music played so he started to come down to early and the quick release got pulled.
I wasn't massively shocked with the Vince stuff, the person I lost a bit of respect for is Stone Cold, when he said "I don't believe in CTE"
1:10.00 apparantly it wasnt Owen's blood it happened in a prior match (i think Al Snow was involved)
Yeah Al and Hardcore Holly had a no holds barred match for the hardcore championship, I believe it was Al’s blood
it was a match for Sunday Night Heat show (before the ppv went live) with matt hardy and Brood blood bath thing , its not real blood ... it was shown on 83 weeks review of the doc
It was like a really long episode of dark side of the ring disappointed tbh
I miss the Hulk song at the beginning of streams
Have we watched the same show??? It lame and tame af. You guys overplayed it like crazy. It’s a show for people that never watched wrestling.
Dave Bradshaw says "Bad Man Gone"
Much ❤
I think vince is bipolar, idk, that thing he said about the computes in his head reminded me of my manic episodes. Big diffrence, i got help. This is a rich powerful man, whos been around for a long time, and is surronded by yes men
He said he had three computers or more going on in his brain at the same time, definitely schizoid
For me the documentary had few new things but it confirmed timelines and we got to hear it from new voices. But at the end i felt Vince did not care for the ones he did not like and was like a good god to those he liked and that was loyal to him and only him. Almost like a cult leader.
It's family friendly.... specifically the Manson family
I could have listened to 6 more episodes of Vince talking.
I’ve already watched it 4 times
The Documentary of Vince was just a regular documentary.. All I got from it was Vince was a businessman and everything was money to & for him . Did he lose dome morals along the way FUCK YEAH!! He was protecting his business and the wrestling business. Was some of his responses uncomfortable given the Sexual Allagations DAMN RIGHT!! But then again it does say multiple times that this was filmed before the everything happened.. But technically he was doing it while it was happening 😁🤣. Real MVP goes to Tony Atlas he told NO LIES 💯
Im 3/4 through episode 5 and its nothing i havent heard before so is it good for the netflix crowd yes.....is it good for wrestling fans who wanted a deeper dive no
you missed the part where and off camera heyman says "allegedly" to vince when he was asked about a sexual storyline based around misconduct
Vince McMahon is a fundamentally broken person. So much of the documentary shows how his childhood trauma informed so much of who he is. He hurts people who love him because he can never find that love.
I dont understand how so many people will believe Literally. Anything. Jim Cornette has to say about Kenny Omega, but when he's on record claiming Paul Heyman is the Absolute King of Habitual Liars in a business (historically) full of them, umm...i don't know. i think i'm going with Paul E. on this one.
If "kill me, Shane" had actually happened, i believe there is a roughly -6,493,514% chance Heyman wouldn't have spilled those beans Long. Ago.
The knife story smells exactly like bullshit.
From the little I’ve seen online nothing surprises me about that documentary, but let’s be honest. He’s not with the WWE anymore so they don’t give a shit these fans don’t give a shit. They will spend their money because they’re entertained by the company. Can you imagine if he was still in the companythey could care less about what he did or didn’t do when you entertain people on that level like WWE has done past all this bullshit were 100% culpable in helping creating this man
1,2 break 3 break 4 break 5,6 now I'm going for a shower and a stiff drink
All the drama geez 😂😂😂
they missed benoit
I cant sit though all six hours at once, I am gonna to digest this in bites.
The story of Triple H being 'in the doghouse' and 'getting buried' following the curtain call is so overblown.
He did jobs for a few months and then they put the IC trtle on him and gave him Mr. Perfect as a valet.
Then they gave him Mr. Hughes and after that failed too, they finally put him with Chyna.
I get so sick of that sob story. Boo Hoo Hunter.
You guys need to adjust your chairs so you're the same height like Wade and Joe TessiTORE no A at the end 😂
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Who is the doc for? As a fan of wrestling most of this info is common knowledge and if you arent a fan why would you care about any of it😂
For me, who’s a window shopping fan. Pays attention every so often because I used to love it as a kid, but never dove into the lore and history of the company or Vince
its for Netflix casuals ... not us
Mr. MCChopper? Pete? 😢
the whole Owen Hart story was tragic but people miss the part where Owen chose to do all the blue blazer gimmick. The show must go on afterwards was a horrible decision and wwe has been plagued with horrible decisions before and since
People ignore that bit cause in the grand scheme of things it's a VERY minor detail yes Owen was ok with being the blue Blazer, but he was under contract, he had a family , a wife a kid, he couldn't just quit, he had to support them he's a performer so he did his job whst mote can people say ?
@@NancyBoi1984yeah it wasn't exactly a choice at all. Bret even says so when it comes to Owen's choice to stay in WWE
@randomnerd3402 Yes, but it certainly was his choice to swing from the rafters on a rigging that was by all accounts very unsafe. I'm sure he didn't know his ultimate fate, but I highly doubt it was in his wwe contract that he had to portray the blue blazer character AND he had to zip line to the ring on a Keychain carabiner. As I said it was all a tragedy but I believe if Owen didn't believe it was safe he wouldn't have tried the stunt in the first place
@NancyBoi1984 obviously he did what was best for himself and his family. But he did agree to do an incredibly risky stunt that I'm sure he wasn't contractually obligated to do. But as yiu say it is minor in the face of the horrible conditions so many people reported since working under Vince
Who's this man
Thank you for watching this so i don't have to
At best, Vince is hypocritical. At worst, he is outright myopic.
How does it fly over your heads that this documentary is a hit piece? It started when
Vince was in the company so he agreed to do it and allow access. Then came the scandal is his subsequent firing. Ari Emanuel wants to distance himself and his businesses as far away from Vince as possible.
What makes me believe this? The only stuff “fans didn’t know about” was Vince’s Childhood. Had this doc shown anymore about his childhood Vince would’ve became a sympathetic figure. He’s a result of A,B, and C so cut him some slack. Not to mention the footage can be edited anyway to tell a story they want.
Love how episode 1 covered the rich history of pro wrestling though it could have gone for 2 episodes TBH. Very cool insight into avince growing up, his relationship with his father and taking over the territories. Hate how Netflix opened the series with the allegations. Who gives a crap. Leave that to the judges.
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There are better documentaries on RUclips
I’ll say this, Vince and Stone Cold saying that they don’t believe in CTE makes so much sense. Vince is a bad influence on others because “oh since the boss doesn’t believe in this then I don’t either” he blamed Benoit on steroids instead 😒
Does Vince have ADHD?
I’m sorry this documentary doesn’t change or affect my overall feeling toward Vince , with all the good and bad he still is the reason why this page exist and we’re all wrestling fans in the first place 🤷🏽♂️
Nothing i didn’t know already this was over sold same shit as always
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