Mr. McMahon (Netflix Documentary) Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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Steve and Larson review the Netflix Doc Mr. McMahon, break down the doc's highs and lows. #WWE
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I’m watching this with my girlfriend who is just barely familiar with Pro Wrestling. This is the most fascinating thing to her. That shows me who this documentary was mainly for- the people who haven’t heard the same stories 100s of times.
Same! I was watching this with my wife and she was equally fascinated by everything
That, and WWE themselves, so they can go "Look what the problem is! Look in this direction! We got rid of it!"
@@Kratosx23 I agree
This was basically the History of Vince McMahon’s WWE. Don’t think it was made for hardcore fans who already knew everything.
You’ll enjoy this a lot more watching with someone who knows very little about WWE.
In watching this with my roommate who just started watching wrestling WM this year cause of me and he's enthralled. I have to give him a lit of side info and context that they skip though
yeah its good to get stories out to a wider public
Same for me with my girlfriend who we’ve only been dating since December of 2023, and she just got into wrestling in January 2024. And so I’m having to pause and explain stuff in further detail to her.
When it comes to the hardcore fan who knows their history... it largely could have been an email.
A very well produced email, that is.
My dad who was only watching a bit during the hulkamania era was absolutley engrossed in this docuseries. This is why it exists.
My grandparents learned a lot of stuff watching this, more than me
That statute of limitations line just felt like a confession. Not sure if he knew what he was saying or just lacking the awareness of it but given everything else we know about him, I took that line as an admission of guilt.
Yeah, that was probably one of the most chilling comments from the series.
Like, why would you say that? And why would you be worried about the statue of limitations if you've claimed to do no wrong?
My girlfriend said the same thing last night. (We’ve only watched the first two episodes of it). She got fairly wound up at him saying that. (She’s also a survivor of SA & DV)
I've seen all episodes. Majority of the things shown was something that a longtime pro-wrestling/WWE would know. However, there are some tidbits of information which was knew for me. I think it was the first time Hogan admitted that he ratted Jessie Ventura out to Vince. It was something new to hear from Vince his views of the Montreal Screwjob.
However, i would think this would be compelling for people who are either young or are not fans of pro-wrestling.
About Vince and the Prichard family...
My therapist told me point blank - when discussing a narcissist in my family - that empathy is a tool for them to draw favor and loyalty. It's not from a place of caring, but manipulation. They put people in a position of "owing" them.
Just putting that out there...
Vince highlighted why you can't make an actual documentary about him. He constantly lies or slants things to try to make himself look better. I enjoyed it, learned some details i didn't know before, and actually came out of it liking and respecting Shane more than I did before.
Vince said the documentary mostly lied and twisted things to fit their narrative. So can't say that's the case buddy
I'll give you that we don't know what may have been cut to make him look bad. But he said in different ways the same thing multiple times, I lie to create a narrative beneficial to me. I don't even know how much of the things he says about his childhood are complaining true, and that's the part I think he is the least likely to lie about.
Yeah, Shane saying what Hogan did was wrong and he feels that way to this day made me have a lot more respect for Shane.
Vince in his very core is a carny promoter. He’s a wrestling promoter - he would try his best to manipulate your view into the way he wants to shape your opinion.
I will say it’s kinda shocking to me not many people talk about the clip in the beginning of episode 6 where Vince is talking about how his mind works, and he talks about it’s like a computer, how he talks about one bit of his brain is thinking about what’s happening in the moment, and the other thing he thinks about in the moment is him craving sex. I just find that quote even more wild knowing the context of what we know now from when the interview was talking place when the lawsuit
Shane and Vince is the story! Vince repeated his dad’s behaviour. He’s not aware. But it happened
I'm only up to the the third episode (and haven't watched this video yet)... but basically It's a crash course in the history of WWE for Netflix people don't watch WWE, with the purpose of getting them up to speed before RAW makes the move to Netflix... absolutely not what I thought it was going to be.
Shane made me a little sad like I wanted to hug him 😢
Of the roughly 270 million Netflix subscribers globally, it completely makes sense for them to buy a documentary made for the massive majority instead of the hardcore fans that already know most of the things discussed. Plus, we already have so much free content from high quality RUclipsrs that it wouldn't make financial sense for Netflix to do the same. Still a great walk down memory lane from an 80s kid like myself tho
vinny mac was like a mafia boss with the loyalty thing
Especially when the union talk came up with Jesse Ventura. He said y’all will not join him, if you do, you’ll be up the river.
@@DLUXTHACHAMP 100 percent. Never seen someone so slimy that has so many grown men defend at every turn. Vinny Mac until this year was untouchable.
@@DLUXTHACHAMPUnions ruin 90% of industries 100% of the time
It’s a few things I didn’t know, especially The Ring Boys thing with Pat Patterson, because i was born in the early 90s. I definitely felt bad for Shane.
I was born in 94 and that story has been floating around the IWC for years
@@GrownUpKid94 yeah, the documentary was the first I heard of it. I don’t think I watched wrestling until 1996 or 1997. First match I remember was Goldust vs Undertaker in a casket match and Mankind came out the casket.
Just finished it, overall very good, I have non-wrestling friends tell me they really enjoyed it. Though that last episode was like Return of the King it had that many endings 😂😂😂
The uncut footage of Vince would be 10x more interesting to me.
once the hush money and Janel Grant stuff happened i honestly think that would've been the only compelling move. I see what they were trying to do but the timing just made it impossible to release a "history of" doc and not mention the scandals but all the interviews they had were from before the most relevant and public scandal so it had to be shoehorned into the last episode and then retroactively all the interviews seem weirdly disconnected from reality
Seriously! There was all of this hype about how they had “full access” behind the scenes and the only shot we got was Vince walking through an office door 😮
absolutely
season 2 brother
I think they implied he murdered his dad with the Paul Heyman comment about him and Shane and creative differences. The whole I have a second voice inside my head is also pretty concerning.
Not really, I think it was clearly a metaphorical statement. Vince “killed” his father by buying him out and going against the trust and everything he had built over the years by destroying the territories. Vince was just saying Shane would have had to do something similar.
I learned that I want to give Shane a very big hug
I learned that Vince wasn't really the bad guy people claim he was, the entire industry was. They've all got skeletons hidden.
I think you guys missed some subtleties in the doc. Every time vince would say something you know is BS, youd get someone else saying the opposite or footage opposing what he says. I dont think its an investigative doc, i think its really mostly implicit criticisms of Vince.
The editing in the doc was really good.. and in my opinion, they went out of their way to show that Vince said a lot of bullshit
Which shows the bias of the doc. Basically, "anything Vince says is a lie" how do we know the other guys aren't lying?
@PettyCrow-n9c the first scene of the doc vince says hes not going to tell the real stories. Thats what the other people are for. If thats the case. Whats the point of any documentary. Everyone could always be lying.
@PettyCrow-n9c are you saying its biased against or for vince???
@@ScreentAlk-1 definitely did. Idk what they were expecting
At the end of the day, this will probably get more people to watch the product
No way in hell
@@GrownUpKid94seriously? “No CHANCE in hell” was right there.
Wrestling fans complaining about this is so annoying. Its makes fans look like uncultured swine.
The most shocking stuff for me was the part about Benoit and concussions and Vince saying Benoit "went nuts" and it had nothing to do with his brain condition or that Taker was traumatized by loosing to Brock and that it wasn't a concussion... And Stone Cold saying he doesn't "believe" in CTE. That was a tough watch.
And I felt so much sympathy for Shane when his relationship with Vince was brought up and Shane talking about his comeback and his match against Taker.
All in all, this isn't a documentary for someone who really is into wrestling. A wrestling fan will know most if not all of the stuff. Was a bit disappointed because of all the hype before. But it was interesting to hear Vince himself about a lot of stuff, even if you know most of it.
Vince McMahon is a lowlife and exactly like the character imo
Netflix attempting to prime newbies for 2025
Its not useless because we hear bad stuff straight from Vincent Kennedy McMahon's mouth. Not Vince McMahon
I think a lot of people gloss over the fact that the Montreal Screwjob was basically Triple H's idea.
No, it was Cornette's idea... And Russo's.... And probably Hogan's or Meltzer.
Dozens of people have claimed credit for it.
@@DR.64A9Hogan was in the middle of trying out for Guns n Roses, had the idea, faxed it to Vince. Trust him brother!
I think that how normalized this behavior is, that us marks miss how diabolical everything is in hindsight. And to a normal audience, this is a takedown piece.
I was more surprised at how lenient dace meltzer was. For how much wwe fans cry about him he was barely critical and ngl close to superrr forgiving.
First time watching you guys and I enjoyed it. Nice relaxed well spoken chat. Subbed.
My fiance was fascinated by the documentary while I was only fascinated by the shane stuff
13:35 yes, that moment of Kevin Owens with Vince in Gorilla Position has always stuck with me.
Am I the only one that thinks he has DiD? (Disassociate identity Disorder)?
Paul Heyman has some great Narrating bits and Tony Atlas was a riot, but aside from that, nothing Earth shattering
The closest thing to earth-shattering was Steve Austin saying that he doesn't believe in CTE, like it's the Easter Bunny. And that was far closer to just being disappointing.
I’m glad someone else enjoyed Tony Atlas in this lmao. I’m sorry he had to endure sexual harassment but when he said “he grabbed my pecka” I was dying
I thought the documentary was really good. But I agree i wish they would have dug deeper and they might have been planning more until the allegations came.
Mushnik “yeah I was an FBI informant” lol
This was more of a history of WWE doccumentary than a Vince McMahon one. And while enjoyable, it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know.
This was not for us
Great review guys, your doc reviews like Dark Side of The Ring reviews always hits the important pointes over the fluff.
They really need to make a season two. They can make it even without interviews with Vince though that was definitely the highlight of this season.
The doc was still a very good watch. 9/10
It was like watching Titanic at the theater in 3d last year. Nothing is really new, just a different perspective, Vince's perspective.
I started watching it last night with my girlfriend. We’ve only been dating since December of 2023, and she just got into wrestling in January 2024. And so I’m having to pause and explain stuff in further detail to her. She finds it fascinating but also sickening so far.
The problem with this is that it just didn't say anything different from those that past documentaries made. I understand netflix is a wider audience than some of those past audiences, but it didn't really have a different voice than past docs and as a filmmaker, you would think Bill Simmons wanted to do that.
The idea the trailers gave is that this would cover specifically the nefarious ground behind it all. This doc just barely did any of that.
5:45 while watching the first 2 episodes last night I realized with them doing that what I think they were doing. Early in Episode 1 I think someone said that Vince never lets anyone know the real Vince. And so I took it as Vince just being a Carney POS.
I knew the doc wouldn’t be too harsh but this felt almost aimless. I’m sure it’s because of the timeline and footage they already had but they clearly had to change the thesis extremely late into the production process
I’ll never understand why wrestling fans thought this was going to bring a bunch of new information. Obviously it’s gonna be for people who don’t haven’t been consuming wrestling content daily for years.
A lot of these Netflix documentaries tease you in and deliver nothing. "Dancing with the devil" did exactly the same. No conclusion.
This wasn’t made for us, period…. If anything, this was just a cliffs notes version of Vince that us fans have known for years. Like the top comment says, my wife thought this was the most fascinating thing in the world…. And to me? I’m just like… “yeah… this is nothing new to me.”
This wasn’t made for us, period…. If anything, this was just a cliffs notes version of Vince that us fans have known for years. Like the top comment says, my wife thought this was the most fascinating thing in the world…. And to me? I’m just like… “yeah… this is nothing new to me.”
Very underwhelming, just basically an extended version or the Vince dark side episode, nothing we didn’t already know.
Wrestletalk put out a video with 10 revelations from the series that weren't known beforehand. Some of them are subtly mentioned. You have to pay attention to pick up all of it, but there's new bits there.
38:30-39:20 maybe Trish grievance was in 2023? And her story here was in 2022?
10:47 yeah that Jimmy Hart “I don’t know what they want getting out there” was super telling.
Interesting watch
Do Steve and Larson still review "Dark side of the ring"? I was just wondering
25:55-26:18 😂😂😂😂 that moment needed Curb your Enthusiasm music.
This docusereis didn't answer squat
The only thing missing from this documentary was Bret bashing Goldberg. LoL
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Everyone saying this is not a Vince doc but a WWE doc.. Who up until 2022 was WWE, whether good or bad? (which i think the doc does a good job of highlighting).. the answer is Vince. Kinda can’t talk about Vince without also giving context about what was happening in WWE
So Skip straight to the last Episode??
Skip to the fifth episode at least.
Kind of getting aggravated with the “we didn’t learn anything new” take because this doc was made for people that know nothing of this world. Everything is t made specifically for the niche fan.
This saved me time. Lol Don’t need to watch it.
Vince’s mother has indeed past, I only know because I listen to a segment of Cornette’s podcast where they talk about Ryback having a go at Vince through his mother.
Same old stories. Dull,repetitive and boring. Waste of time
Somehow not shocked you guys would complain about this doc. Par for the course lately
Eh, I didn't expect much anyway.
By episode 3 I was like "where's the controversy?" As a fan it's always neat to see fresh interviews but ultimately this whole doc was an overblown nothing burger.
Meltzer being one of the main people being interviewed is a joke
why?
Oooooh cry me a river
I found it was a extended version of the McMahon documentary that WWE put out years ago.
I actually think this doco was barely about vince mcmahon and more about wwe.
Because WWE is Vince when he was running it. The only thing the guy did was work and cause controversy.
The documentary honestly seems like WWE and Netflix assassinating Vince's character/image. Imagine the amount of money Vince will get if he's found not guilty of his charges 😂 that's gonna be one hell of a day
Lmao yea I knew this would happen. Not even going to bother
Vince McMahon is all elite
Totally pointless doc. History of wwf, wcw, attitude era, fall of wcw, ruthless aggression. Nothing new. The only thing revealing was Vince’s childhood and that he’s a complete sociopath. That three computer brains interview was Fd up.
Also Bruce p absolutely knew what Vince was doing and everyone’s unwillingness to call out Vince was disturbing.
Pritchard "Yes-manned it up" in this doc.
Ok WRESTLING fan
Is it bad that the doc made hate Vince slightly less?
Some of these woke "journalists" need to do their jobs and start pumping out articles about the series, exposing how many stories it didn't tell. There's a lot of stuff that's public knowledge, detestable, and not covered in this first season that I know those people would love to eat up and spread around but for some reason they're not doing it. But then again the show hasn't been out for long
Yall should of just covered NXT in this shot instead. The Vince bio was a waste of time
Aew folks are sad this doc didn’t smear the modern WWE; sorry boys you are stuck in 2-3rd place 😂
The avg person that doesnt watch wrestling wont care to watch this, its meaningless to them, they should have done a deep dive for wrestling fans