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I always questioned that. Children literally and mentally tearing themselves apart to get some approval from parents still stuck in their own worlds. The expectations stacked high from the very beginning, as if the children need to exactly be like their parents as it seems, but it's just not possible, even if their children meets said expectations. Some parents may not deserve children if they can't see their children are more than just a part of them that they try to shape like them. Nothing's wrong with pushing our limits in anything we do, but there's something wrong when even a person's trauma or other fears just runs said parents to the point they would take it out on their own children who never knew information of people's lives outside of their own.
@@leon4000 When you’re young you look up to your parents and want to emulate them. I used to be exactly the same as a child. But as you grow as an adult you become your own man. You don’t just learn from the success of your peers. You also learn and evolve from there failures or flaws or risk becoming them. It’s the old saying I guess. Those who don’t learn from there history are doomed to repeat it.
What lives (in real life) did Vince destroy? Certainly not Janel Grant's she's probably driving around in that 2022 $50000 BMW Vince bought laughing all the way to the bank and laughing about how much of a victim she isn't
@@JLWprime10 Thats one more accusation to sit ontop of the mountain of other allegations towards Vince and company over the past 40 years. Johnny Ace did also confirm that WWE knew about the Ashley Massaro situation after at first denying it too-so nothings confirmed, but it makes you think what else is there.
Vince has always took a dump on his family legacy, both his grandfather and father are not in the WWE hall of fame, they never acknowledge any achievements that Vince S. and Jesse McMahon has done besides that fact that they always say state that "Vince has taken Wrestling from bingo hall and high school gyms to Madison Square Garden" when in reality his father and grandfather have been doing it before the shit fucker was even born.
I think its so interesting that Vince, who betrayed and took over his dad company, was always distrustful of his own kids, because he knew they could do the same to him (and technically, eventually they did with just HHH running WWE now and Vince gone)
Its sad because Vince should have been proud to pass on that legacy onto them. He pratically built them an empire and then kept control of it just like his father before him.
Apparently he didn't care to pass that legacy cause then he could have walked away multiple times and WWE would have been better off@@theoutsiderjess1869
Vince did not "betray" his dad. He bought the company from him when Vince Sr retired. With the added clause that if he missed even one of the quarterly payments, control would revert back to Vince Sr, and the other three co-owners, Gorilla Monsoon, Phil Zacko and Arnold Skaaland. What Vince Jr didn't do was tell his dad what he wanted to do with the company. Vince Sr would have never sold it to Jr otherwise.
When I think of Vince McMahon, the one word that comes to me is an old Greek word called hubris. It's an irrepressible pride that Inevitably leads to a fall from which one never recovers.
The thing is, he may not recover from this…but at this stage he’s got away with decades of shady stuff that probably would have toppled a poorer or less powerful man much sooner. Even if he was put on hard labour until the end of his life, realistically that will still be a relatively short punishment, all things considered and the chances of any punishment given being that severe for a friend of a former president is pretty slim. He’s got everything he wanted really and got away with it
It makes me sick. Monsters like Vince got away with too much and was never punished until it is too late. Worse others knew about it and dd not speak up sooner. The evil spreads when good men decide to do nothing!
@@TheoAndHisPedalsallow me to spin a positive then: He will live long enough for EVERYTHING he’s built to be forever tarnished by his name He put EVERYTHING and ALL of his life into WWE And it’s a known fact he HATES being reminded of his massive failures in things like the XFL and other ventures outside WWE like the films Now this lawsuit, and ESPECIALLY if it comes out all true or at least brings to light other convictions that bury him, will make all that work practically meaningless since HIS creations will die Not the WWE as a whole, but what it becomes going forward under the hands of Endeavor and Triple H will no longer be anything Vince related Vince’s WWE and legacy will now FOREVER be tarnished with INNUMERABLE accusations and asterisks next to names HE is the actual poison instead of the nWo from that old promo long ago, and everyone touched by him will suffered for it in one way or another Just look at his family and Brock as prime examples, even Mark Callaway/Undertaker is being questioned by many online because of his long standing relationship and history So while he may get away with not much punishment for the sake of proper justice, he will live long enough to see everything he worked his a** off for several DECADES be forever tarnished and his own name buried in the mud permanently Alongside seeing how loyal those he’s worked with all those years are when they reveal more or throw him under the bus, just look at Johnny Ace for an example
@@JonCombohe made grown men kiss his bum on live TV. He pooped his pants, cut a promo on live TV then chased Brisco around with his soiled pants. He definitely pooped on that girls head. 😢
i think shane is so underrated. he can do it all, mic skills, a little wrestling, commentary and had the early visions for whats going on today. the unsung visionary of the mcmahons
Vince Sr knew what kind of a person his son was and that's why he didn't want him to have full control of the business. Vince Jr didn't respect the territories, he only cared about himself. His father knew that his son had messed up morals and values. WWF/WWE would have still been successful and could have grown to what it is today without the scandals if Vince Jr had more of his father's and grandfather's respect for others and a real love for the business.
It would have been if Vince's father had a better relationship with his son. The fact that Vince was obsessed about control originates from not having much control in his life. It begs to questions of which specific events in Vince's life did his morals became the way it did and behavior. It's a mistake to write off a little kid and his actions and not realize the parents themselves and their actions often factors into the unchecked mind of their child. Growing up has its challenges, but the way some parents do it are questionable the second they don't show visual proof of the love of their child and their child never sees it. Vince may not have had it enough if he was doing the things he did.
The territories would've been bought out by someone else within a decade anyway. TV meant a national audience and someone was going to take advantage of that sooner or later, it just happened to be Vince who acted quickest
Vince Sr. may have made his son buyout the company, but he charged him a fraction of the company's real worth. To the point he could pay it off with the profits of operation from 2-3 years. Vince Jr. fully understood this, and still gleefully went back on everything he promised him.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 You right though. Every big company that is worth over 500 mill has screwed over others to get where they are at. They all lie, cheat and steal to get to the top.
It honestly is no wonder Vince is the person he is when you look at his family history. Abused as child, had a rough relationship with his father. His issues with being an absolute control fiend make sense when you realize he didn't even have much agency over his own life and goals until he was a middle-aged. I wish he had used that energy mlre positively instead of making the lives of his employees anywhere between difficult and a living nightmare.
If these things about him are true that would make sense, while not everyone who was abused as a child becomes an abuser themselves it does happen and if these allegations towards Vince are true and the rumours about him for 40 years the he will be one of those who were no different then those who abused him.
@@perceivedvelocity9914that depends tho, the raito of people that over come it to just hide it. Unfortunately during those times too all that would be considered weak. dude fucked up definitely but also just how the mindset was in the past says alot.
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@adityabanerjee6790_UndividedX you spend more time on each individual. The story of Dusty, born the son of a plumber and how he moved around. His time in NWA, JCP, with Bill Watts et al. His son, the natural, Dustin, a man who was a nepotism hire but who Dusty had a fractured relationship with who has battled Demons and come through the other side, to Cody. The younger son. The man who many of us saw first time at the HoF for Dusty and who took a chance on that platform, with no net and noone outside Georgia knowing who he was going off script to recognise the inpact of Goldust before inducting his father Theres a lot of meat on these bones. And all Rhodes lead to Philladelpia
I really love this videos. In 2022 I was taking Ethics in Organization for my Master’s in Economic Crimes and I did my project in the Vince Scandal and when he left WWE (the first time, it was before he returned to sell WWE). It was a unique explaining to my profesor and entire class the world of wrestling so they can understand everything. I actually used your video summary of everything that happened with Vince and some pf your articles as references. So thank you for helping me pass that course with a perfect evaluation and I hope you keep making this kind of videos more often!!!
Just want to shout out the perfect level of restraint, none of the mad cap editing that can happen in the news and the use of subtle music made this genuinely feel like an intimate conversation with a peer. Phenomenal stuff! Excited for more!
Timestamps: Chapter 1 - Marking The Territory 0:45 Chapter 2 - Becoming A Titan 6:28 Chapter 3 - The Steroid Trial 12:37 Chapter 4 - To Be A McMahon 14:39 Chapter 5 - The Fall 22:35
The Bloodline family tree video was amazing Oli and team, and this is so well researched and edited. Please keep going with this sort of content, really appreciate the work.
I think when Vince was negotiating the TKO deal, he must have known the lawsuit (and probably more that haven't happened yet) was coming. He only got back on the board to negotiate the sale. He managed to cash out before that shoe dropped. Now he is in a better financial place to fight and pay out any damages. In my opinion, he didn't think he'd be able to hang on to leadership. He just wanted to position himself financially for his legal defenses. He was being shrewd the entire time.
Great job Oli. As much as I love the jokey jokes and humor of most of the content for WrestleTalk and Partsfunknown, when y'all get serious y'all pull it off real well.
Damn this was so beautifully done amazing work honestly. I felt like watching a documentary from the IFC channel or something. I hope to see more videos like this
I'm glad Vince McMahon is no longer in charge of WWE, I'm indifferent about Stephanie McMahon not being in WWE anymore but I'm mad Shane McMahon is no longer in WWE because he could probably do as good a job if not better than Triple H. At least with Shayna Baszler since he likes MMA.
Stephanie and Shane are good. She got a huge pop at the HOF & Mania. Their father’s bs will not tarnish them and I’m happy most of the fans also feel that way! Also happy the McMahon name can live on.
This was really great and I think you handled explaining all of the tragic and uncomfortable stuff very respectfully and very well. Great video as always!
Isn’t it amazing that Shane turned out so well? Other than the Rumble 20 rumors he’s universally well regarded by his co-workers. He’s happily married to a normal person, a good father - none of the Vince n Steph corporate megalomania.
i still don’t buy the rumble rumors, probably something did happen between him and vince and vinces loyalists just came at him. or who knows, maybe shane wanted to do something, but yeah his own history doesn’t make sense with that rumble
Bischoff wishes that this thing with McMahon happened back in 1999 and not 2024. We would be taking about WRASSLIN right now and not sports entertainment 😂😂😒...
1999 was wayyyyy different than it is today ,today u got cancel culture and them sensoring everything, 1999 I doubt they would had cared as much vince probably would had use it as a storyline for ratings honestly..
Oli and the crew. I comment on videos once in a rare blue moon. But I've been watching thus channel since wrestling news started to become a thing. This video was awesome! Hope you guys make more videos like it. I also loved the bloodline video. Very very cool! Keep up the great wyrk!!
Some things being cast in new light for me: Becky, Charlotte and Paige being dubbed "The Submission Sorority," which also happened to be an adult content website. In an interview Paige said she told WWE it was also the name of an adult site but the company went ahead with it in spite of that. It makes that branding so much more uncomfortable. Especially when Paige says she told them why it was a bad idea but someone still said "We're going ahead as planned." The alleged number of times that Vince wanted to do an incest storyline: Ken Shamrock refusing to do that storyline with his "sister" Ryan. "Beaver Cleavage." Vince's almost incest story between Shane and Stephanie. Another where Vince himself was potentially (?) the father of Stephanie's baby. The storyline of HHH drugging, marrying, and violating Stephanie: "The question isn't "if we," but "how many times did we," consummate the marriage?" Then retconned to say Stephanie wasn't drugged by HHH but was in on it all along. The Trish Stratus WM storyline with Linda. The "kiss my ass club."
Had Vince listened to Shane's ideas, his situation today wouldn't have been this bad. Fathers should learn to trust their blood (especially sons) instead of relying on strangers for ideas.
@@retronerds6884 Part of me thinks that he did it to safeguard his ego. At some point, he even saw Shane as his competitor. Another part of me thinks it was his stubborness to downplay his junior's (his own son's) ideas. Often elder businessmen downplay or ignore their juniors as they have too much faith (rather arrogance ) in their experience.
I like the sound of this bloke He's still game even in his late 70s. Just ordered a poster of him for my sons bedroom. A real man that our boys can look up too.
these documentaries are so well researched, presented and produced whilst never feeling like wasting my time wth useless filler. LOVE IT! great work from the team!
Oli,and everyone who helped make this: You are knocking it out of the ballpark..first the Samoan Bloodline, now this. PLEASE keep doing these! Not only informative but entertaining. THIS is why I've been watching you all all these years. THANK YOU 😎
Vince:ruined WWE by making it PG soft Stephanie: ruined the divas division with woke feminist cringe Shane: the only McMahon who didn't participate in ruining WWE.
@@tdylanI was referring to the quote by Eric Bischoff from his book. Plus, McMahon is a billionaire so I doubt all that money is going towards attorneys. When it’s all made into a documentary, it’ll probably be one of the most watched in history.
RIP McMahons🙏. Thank you for your service. Hopefully we see them back one day. Wrestling probably wouldn't have become the huge part of my life as it is now without them.
Vince thought this man was a friend and someone he could trust. Which is probably why he sold the company to this guy and his group. Turns out he was no friend and kicked Vince to the curb ASAP.
Well done! That was a pretty concise breakdown. And I learned A LOT! I didn't even know about Vince's Granddad or even great grandparents! I thought he was from money mad by his dad. Wild!
When VKM ruptured both his quads at the 2005 Royal Rumble. Steph took over for VKM. The company started clearing house of dozens of dedicated employees over the next 6 months. Some had been there since WM1. 7 of us were let go from one department on Monday June 13th 2005.
He literally destroyed his whole family legacy. His father and grandfather would be a shame for what he did, vince mcmahon deserve everything coming for him
What Vince did didn't only make sure there is no McMahon in WWE, I doubt we see anyone with that last name back on TV, even grandkids won't use that name because its tainted forever
Vince literally inherited a kingdom and turned it into an empire he is the Alexander of Pro Wrestling no other figure will ever be as influential in this industry ever again.
I keep going back to that picture of tko merg Vinces face look like it's saying : "well it was fun while it lasted" and triple hs face looks like it's saying " you SOB" lol
@@theoutsiderjess1869 He once wanted to do a storyline in which he or Shane was the father of Steph's baby...Oh, he also made a woman bark like a dog on air. And that little sex trafficking thing too a while back, remember that? Yeah, care to re-evaluate that statement?
I love this guy from the Wrestletalk he's great to deliver the news with good charisma and with his information glad to know more bout this about the McMahon's.
I hate to say this, but when someone says that he'd rather kill his own creation rather than watch someone else take over the reigns (no pun intended), then you know that something is wrong. Really wrong. It's like hiring assassins to smoke out your own estranged kid because said kid was doing well (without you) and better than you. 😢
In your haste to crank out this clickbait, you left out arguably the height of the internecine McMahon drama: Vince - upon demanding to be let back on the board to broker a sale of the company - was DENIED via unanimous vote by the board, who wrote a letter essentially telling him to stay away, because his baggage would run the company down. Why is this significant? Because Stephanie and Hunter were on the board. She voted against her own father. Which casts further light on why she quit shortly after he returned.
Definitely! I'd love to see something that dug more deeply into the dirty business dealings McMahon employed to make the national expansion happen. This was NOT a sudden change of behavior late in life. It was the way he always did business, slowly spiraling out of control over time.
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Vince McMahon had something to do with Owen heart death
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@@poovanna4284yup
Do a video on how overrated today's women division is.
Do a video on how bad the women's revolution was.
I truly feel bad for Shane here, he did everything he could to impress his father and in the end gets screwed over by him.
I always questioned that. Children literally and mentally tearing themselves apart to get some approval from parents still stuck in their own worlds. The expectations stacked high from the very beginning, as if the children need to exactly be like their parents as it seems, but it's just not possible, even if their children meets said expectations.
Some parents may not deserve children if they can't see their children are more than just a part of them that they try to shape like them. Nothing's wrong with pushing our limits in anything we do, but there's something wrong when even a person's trauma or other fears just runs said parents to the point they would take it out on their own children who never knew information of people's lives outside of their own.
He didn't want to be like his dad. He took the high road.
He is the one who is actually squeaky clean.
@@SterlingFartcher indeed
I like shane and if anything, his name wasn't tarnished after everything that happened with vince
I think he found out what was going on, at least at some level, and was like "peace I'm out"
@@leon4000
When you’re young you look up to your parents and want to emulate them. I used to be exactly the same as a child. But as you grow as an adult you become your own man. You don’t just learn from the success of your peers. You also learn and evolve from there failures or flaws or risk becoming them.
It’s the old saying I guess. Those who don’t learn from there history are doomed to repeat it.
“I enjoy destroying lives.” ~Vince to Jim Ross.
Amazing how well that quote aged.
What lives (in real life) did Vince destroy? Certainly not Janel Grant's she's probably driving around in that 2022 $50000 BMW Vince bought laughing all the way to the bank and laughing about how much of a victim she isn't
@@romans52345-cy3tq read the case
So low of him to say that.
@@leeparks15 Yeah ok that was a TV wrestling Character
@@romans52345-cy3tqAshley Massaro and Owen Hart. From what I heard a few in the 80’s as well.
Vince mcmahon took a dump on his family's legacy..No pun intended😂😂
Lol if I said it I would have said “shitty pun intended” 😂😂
And Stephanie followed her dad path of degeneration.
Chocolate rain
@@JLWprime10 Thats one more accusation to sit ontop of the mountain of other allegations towards Vince and company over the past 40 years.
Johnny Ace did also confirm that WWE knew about the Ashley Massaro situation after at first denying it too-so nothings confirmed, but it makes you think what else is there.
Vince has always took a dump on his family legacy, both his grandfather and father are not in the WWE hall of fame, they never acknowledge any achievements that Vince S. and Jesse McMahon has done besides that fact that they always say state that "Vince has taken Wrestling from bingo hall and high school gyms to Madison Square Garden" when in reality his father and grandfather have been doing it before the shit fucker was even born.
I think its so interesting that Vince, who betrayed and took over his dad company, was always distrustful of his own kids, because he knew they could do the same to him (and technically, eventually they did with just HHH running WWE now and Vince gone)
Its sad because Vince should have been proud to pass on that legacy onto them. He pratically built them an empire and then kept control of it just like his father before him.
Apparently he didn't care to pass that legacy cause then he could have walked away multiple times and WWE would have been better off@@theoutsiderjess1869
And yet Nick Khan, The Rock, and Ari Emanuel eventually ovethrew Vince from his own company and Vince screwed Vince.
Vince did it to himself.At least he can say he did what he said he would make the WWE a national brand
Vince did not "betray" his dad. He bought the company from him when Vince Sr retired. With the added clause that if he missed even one of the quarterly payments, control would revert back to Vince Sr, and the other three co-owners, Gorilla Monsoon, Phil Zacko and Arnold Skaaland.
What Vince Jr didn't do was tell his dad what he wanted to do with the company. Vince Sr would have never sold it to Jr otherwise.
When I think of Vince McMahon, the one word that comes to me is an old Greek word called hubris. It's an irrepressible pride that Inevitably leads to a fall from which one never recovers.
Those whom the Gods would destroy, they first make proud.
The thing is, he may not recover from this…but at this stage he’s got away with decades of shady stuff that probably would have toppled a poorer or less powerful man much sooner.
Even if he was put on hard labour until the end of his life, realistically that will still be a relatively short punishment, all things considered and the chances of any punishment given being that severe for a friend of a former president is pretty slim.
He’s got everything he wanted really and got away with it
It makes me sick. Monsters like Vince got away with too much and was never punished until it is too late. Worse others knew about it and dd not speak up sooner. The evil spreads when good men decide to do nothing!
@@TheoAndHisPedalsallow me to spin a positive then:
He will live long enough for EVERYTHING he’s built to be forever tarnished by his name
He put EVERYTHING and ALL of his life into WWE
And it’s a known fact he HATES being reminded of his massive failures in things like the XFL and other ventures outside WWE like the films
Now this lawsuit, and ESPECIALLY if it comes out all true or at least brings to light other convictions that bury him, will make all that work practically meaningless since HIS creations will die
Not the WWE as a whole, but what it becomes going forward under the hands of Endeavor and Triple H will no longer be anything Vince related
Vince’s WWE and legacy will now FOREVER be tarnished with INNUMERABLE accusations and asterisks next to names
HE is the actual poison instead of the nWo from that old promo long ago, and everyone touched by him will suffered for it in one way or another
Just look at his family and Brock as prime examples, even Mark Callaway/Undertaker is being questioned by many online because of his long standing relationship and history
So while he may get away with not much punishment for the sake of proper justice, he will live long enough to see everything he worked his a** off for several DECADES be forever tarnished and his own name buried in the mud permanently
Alongside seeing how loyal those he’s worked with all those years are when they reveal more or throw him under the bus, just look at Johnny Ace for an example
I think of the two words: sexual and predator
This is like a Greek tragedy: son overthrew his father, built a empire then burned it down to prevent his children from overthrowing him
I don't think he burned it down. I think Shane sent that email to the board. If I can't take the throne then I will destroy your kingdom.
@@daitaronodnal8785doubt it. They can trace back the e mail. I don’t think Shane would do such a thing.
And then the kids took over anyways & made it so much better.
Deserves a biopic
RIP Jess McMahon (1882-1954). He must be rolling in his grave at what his demented grandson did to the McMahon name.
Jesse would have been the man I would have loved working for, Vince Jr. I would have hated working for..
Accusers have done that. We will have to wait and see what becomes of this, for his part.
@@JonCombohe made grown men kiss his bum on live TV. He pooped his pants, cut a promo on live TV then chased Brisco around with his soiled pants. He definitely pooped on that girls head. 😢
Citation needed.@@Superman54 As for kiss my ass club, is that any different that Stink Face or Bronco Buster?
He probably did worst to get to his position
i think shane is so underrated. he can do it all, mic skills, a little wrestling, commentary and had the early visions for whats going on today. the unsung visionary of the mcmahons
Shane also does all those crazy leaps.
Vince Sr knew what kind of a person his son was and that's why he didn't want him to have full control of the business. Vince Jr didn't respect the territories, he only cared about himself. His father knew that his son had messed up morals and values. WWF/WWE would have still been successful and could have grown to what it is today without the scandals if Vince Jr had more of his father's and grandfather's respect for others and a real love for the business.
It would have been if Vince's father had a better relationship with his son. The fact that Vince was obsessed about control originates from not having much control in his life. It begs to questions of which specific events in Vince's life did his morals became the way it did and behavior. It's a mistake to write off a little kid and his actions and not realize the parents themselves and their actions often factors into the unchecked mind of their child. Growing up has its challenges, but the way some parents do it are questionable the second they don't show visual proof of the love of their child and their child never sees it. Vince may not have had it enough if he was doing the things he did.
The territories would've been bought out by someone else within a decade anyway. TV meant a national audience and someone was going to take advantage of that sooner or later, it just happened to be Vince who acted quickest
how so vicne sr wood enver let the atuttie era happen if he wer alive soem with ruthkless era
you’re right ‼️
We would've got actual pro wrestling from JCP hopefully.@@MikeyJMJ
Vince Sr. may have made his son buyout the company, but he charged him a fraction of the company's real worth. To the point he could pay it off with the profits of operation from 2-3 years. Vince Jr. fully understood this, and still gleefully went back on everything he promised him.
If he didnt Wwe wouldnt be where it is today. Scummy as it may be but Vince may be a pos but he is a good business man
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Really? One word belies that: XFL.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 You right though. Every big company that is worth over 500 mill has screwed over others to get where they are at. They all lie, cheat and steal to get to the top.
@dashopepper tbh almost everything (including the wwe) starts off shakey
@@theoutsiderjess1869WWE was successful despite Vince not because of him
That lock box thing Shane mentioned feels like he predicted what happened to Vince now
Imagine it was actually full of the “toys” named after wrestlers 💀
@@RainTraumatosisThe Gobbledy Gooker
Doink the Clown...@@tonymcneill7779
@@tonymcneill7779 LOL
@@RainTraumatosis the French tickler lol
Vince McMahon Jr is the real life Heihachi Mishima
Holy shit this is so true
Nah, he's basically a fusion of Kazuya and Lee Chaolan.
@@Lightspeeds He wishes he was Lee. Tbf, so did I.
More like kazuya actually...no Heihachi or Jin in this story tho...
Especially with that dodgy tash
They disrespected Shane real bad , they owe him an apology
It honestly is no wonder Vince is the person he is when you look at his family history. Abused as child, had a rough relationship with his father. His issues with being an absolute control fiend make sense when you realize he didn't even have much agency over his own life and goals until he was a middle-aged. I wish he had used that energy mlre positively instead of making the lives of his employees anywhere between difficult and a living nightmare.
If these things about him are true that would make sense, while not everyone who was abused as a child becomes an abuser themselves it does happen and if these allegations towards Vince are true and the rumours about him for 40 years the he will be one of those who were no different then those who abused him.
A lot of people overcome childhood abuse. Vince has no one to blame but himself. He chose to do the things that he did.
I wish he went to therapy its sad his childhood sucked but he was the one who turned into a monster
@@perceivedvelocity9914that depends tho, the raito of people that over come it to just hide it. Unfortunately during those times too all that would be considered weak. dude fucked up definitely but also just how the mindset was in the past says alot.
That's why I encourage people to get therapy.
Stephanie totally knew what was going on, yet still led fans in a "Thank You, Vince" chant.
@@user-qx3eb2jx1pHow does using "totally" make one a teenager? You sound silly.
Stephanie was trying to escape the trainwreck as cleanly as possibly. She was already planning on leaving before he got exposed
@@user-qx3eb2jx1p 🥲
@@theoutsiderjess1869 still isn't an excuse for the heartfelt send off she gave him.
yeah like it wasn’t scripted or such, definitely did that on her own.
NOW YOU HAVE TO MAKE ONE FOR THE RHODES FAMILY!!!!! We have there the whole trilogy of empires of wrestling today. The Samoan Dynasty, the McMahon Empire and the Rhodes Kingdom, all coming to a head from Wrestlemania XL onwards!
And rotundas
Wrestling has more than one royal family
Rhodes one will be quite short. Cody is second-gen and none of Dusty's siblings wrestled afaik.
@adityabanerjee6790_UndividedX you spend more time on each individual. The story of Dusty, born the son of a plumber and how he moved around. His time in NWA, JCP, with Bill Watts et al. His son, the natural, Dustin, a man who was a nepotism hire but who Dusty had a fractured relationship with who has battled Demons and come through the other side, to Cody. The younger son. The man who many of us saw first time at the HoF for Dusty and who took a chance on that platform, with no net and noone outside Georgia knowing who he was going off script to recognise the inpact of Goldust before inducting his father
Theres a lot of meat on these bones.
And all Rhodes lead to Philladelpia
Hart family
Seeing Vince as a child is wild 😮
In some ways he still is.
@@haworthlowell805 He never really got past his childhood mentally huh...
@@sonic5993 You could argue he never made it past teenagehood
Justice for Zack Ryder.
Imagine getting buried just for getting over on your own.
Another jobber. lol
Zack who? he is just trash... the guy sucks
Quit hyping up that weirdo he wasn't that good
He was a one-trick pony that didn't even have a good trick
I really love this videos. In 2022 I was taking Ethics in Organization for my Master’s in Economic Crimes and I did my project in the Vince Scandal and when he left WWE (the first time, it was before he returned to sell WWE). It was a unique explaining to my profesor and entire class the world of wrestling so they can understand everything. I actually used your video summary of everything that happened with Vince and some pf your articles as references. So thank you for helping me pass that course with a perfect evaluation and I hope you keep making this kind of videos more often!!!
Congratulations on your result. I bet Vince wishes that economic crimes was all he was being accussed of right now.
Dude that sounds Awesome I would have loved to have hear a project like this in school
Just want to shout out the perfect level of restraint, none of the mad cap editing that can happen in the news and the use of subtle music made this genuinely feel like an intimate conversation with a peer.
Phenomenal stuff! Excited for more!
This series has been amazing. Keep up the great work guys. This has been really great content.
Timestamps:
Chapter 1 - Marking The Territory 0:45
Chapter 2 - Becoming A Titan 6:28
Chapter 3 - The Steroid Trial 12:37
Chapter 4 - To Be A McMahon 14:39
Chapter 5 - The Fall 22:35
Much appreciated
Thanks
The Bloodline family tree video was amazing Oli and team, and this is so well researched and edited. Please keep going with this sort of content, really appreciate the work.
Here's waiting for Vincenzo Brandon McMahon Jr. to take back WWE from TKO in 2069
What a "69" that would be....
Is that one of Shane's sons?
The idea that anyone is surprised about the McMahon is hilarious
I think when Vince was negotiating the TKO deal, he must have known the lawsuit (and probably more that haven't happened yet) was coming.
He only got back on the board to negotiate the sale.
He managed to cash out before that shoe dropped. Now he is in a better financial place to fight and pay out any damages.
In my opinion, he didn't think he'd be able to hang on to leadership. He just wanted to position himself financially for his legal defenses.
He was being shrewd the entire time.
That and take back his company for a while from those that ousted him
Dude I enjoyed these long formatted wrestling content shows. Supporting WrestleTalk 🖤
This is great and very well done, kudos everyone who put this together! Why isn’t it up to a million views yet????
Great job Oli. As much as I love the jokey jokes and humor of most of the content for WrestleTalk and Partsfunknown, when y'all get serious y'all pull it off real well.
Damn this was so beautifully done amazing work honestly. I felt like watching a documentary from the IFC channel or something. I hope to see more videos like this
I love Ollie's history class. I want more of this like with other promotions like TNA and AEW and NJPW
This is phenomenal - great job to everyone involved
this should of been like a 90 minutes video
@@capsorteewhy? The creator did a great job by getting straight to the point instead of adding 30 minutes of filler.
@@Illusivem8ne Well there is more to talk about when it comes to Vince senior, he did cover up a murder after all
Except Vince the rapist
Absolutely enjoying this style of video. Keep up the remarkable work, folks!
"Never go chasing the Spotlight if you have things you want to keep in the dark." A Quote by Sergio Sarmiento
In the end, the only thing Vince killed was his own legacy
Bottom line
I'm glad Vince McMahon is no longer in charge of WWE, I'm indifferent about Stephanie McMahon not being in WWE anymore but I'm mad Shane McMahon is no longer in WWE because he could probably do as good a job if not better than Triple H. At least with Shayna Baszler since he likes MMA.
The fact that Shane wanted Vince to buy UFC back then explains why he was involved in the Raw Underground concept. It all makes sense now.
Janel grant is innocent, this monster has no heart
@@JLWprime10Vince ain't a saint either.
Stephanie and Shane are good. She got a huge pop at the HOF & Mania. Their father’s bs will not tarnish them and I’m happy most of the fans also feel that way! Also happy the McMahon name can live on.
This was really great and I think you handled explaining all of the tragic and uncomfortable stuff very respectfully and very well. Great video as always!
Mr.McMahon was not a character, that was his true self coming to life every time he wanted to.
Ironic shane wanted vince to buy ufc and then ufc went and bought wwe
At the same time you must also remember that UFC was saved by dana white.
He turned everything around and stopped the UFC going out of business.
@diabolikalm agree but vince probably could of done the same if he wanted to try
Isn’t it amazing that Shane turned out so well? Other than the Rumble 20 rumors he’s universally well regarded by his co-workers. He’s happily married to a normal person, a good father - none of the Vince n Steph corporate megalomania.
i still don’t buy the rumble rumors, probably something did happen between him and vince and vinces loyalists just came at him. or who knows, maybe shane wanted to do something, but yeah his own history doesn’t make sense with that rumble
Bischoff wishes that this thing with McMahon happened back in 1999 and not 2024. We would be taking about WRASSLIN right now and not sports entertainment 😂😂😒...
1999 was wayyyyy different than it is today ,today u got cancel culture and them sensoring everything, 1999 I doubt they would had cared as much vince probably would had use it as a storyline for ratings honestly..
This may be the best video you guys have made to date, keep up the great work!
Oli and the crew. I comment on videos once in a rare blue moon. But I've been watching thus channel since wrestling news started to become a thing. This video was awesome! Hope you guys make more videos like it. I also loved the bloodline video. Very very cool! Keep up the great wyrk!!
This new style of video is amazing! Congratulations to the entire team for the excellent work!
Some things being cast in new light for me:
Becky, Charlotte and Paige being dubbed "The Submission Sorority," which also happened to be an adult content website. In an interview Paige said she told WWE it was also the name of an adult site but the company went ahead with it in spite of that. It makes that branding so much more uncomfortable. Especially when Paige says she told them why it was a bad idea but someone still said "We're going ahead as planned."
The alleged number of times that Vince wanted to do an incest storyline: Ken Shamrock refusing to do that storyline with his "sister" Ryan. "Beaver Cleavage." Vince's almost incest story between Shane and Stephanie. Another where Vince himself was potentially (?) the father of Stephanie's baby.
The storyline of HHH drugging, marrying, and violating Stephanie: "The question isn't "if we," but "how many times did we," consummate the marriage?" Then retconned to say Stephanie wasn't drugged by HHH but was in on it all along.
The Trish Stratus WM storyline with Linda.
The "kiss my ass club."
Had Vince listened to Shane's ideas, his situation today wouldn't have been this bad. Fathers should learn to trust their blood (especially sons) instead of relying on strangers for ideas.
I’ll never understand why he didn’t listen you would think he would listen to Shane seeing business wise how much success he’s had
@@retronerds6884 Part of me thinks that he did it to safeguard his ego. At some point, he even saw Shane as his competitor. Another part of me thinks it was his stubborness to downplay his junior's (his own son's) ideas. Often elder businessmen downplay or ignore their juniors as they have too much faith (rather arrogance ) in their experience.
I like the sound of this bloke He's still game even in his late 70s. Just ordered a poster of him for my sons bedroom. A real man that our boys can look up too.
these documentaries are so well researched, presented and produced whilst never feeling like wasting my time wth useless filler. LOVE IT! great work from the team!
Oli,and everyone who helped make this: You are knocking it out of the ballpark..first the Samoan Bloodline, now this. PLEASE keep doing these! Not only informative but entertaining. THIS is why I've been watching you all all these years. THANK YOU 😎
This was excellent!! Loved the history and all the breakdown. Thanks everyone for the great work on this.
geez best retrospective I ever watched. Great job all.👍👍👍
Vince:ruined WWE by making it PG soft
Stephanie: ruined the divas division with woke feminist cringe
Shane: the only McMahon who didn't participate in ruining WWE.
“Controversy creates cash” how true those words are
"Cash" for the attorneys you have to pay, and the recipients of NDAs and civil actions.
@@tdylanI was referring to the quote by Eric Bischoff from his book. Plus, McMahon is a billionaire so I doubt all that money is going towards attorneys. When it’s all made into a documentary, it’ll probably be one of the most watched in history.
The lockbox is a secret box Vince McMahon keeps inside his bedroom it is filled with blackmailling people etc etc
I don't think Shane is solely to blame for the RR. I think it was more of a power struggle, and Vince shot down a lot of ideas.
RIP McMahons🙏. Thank you for your service. Hopefully we see them back one day. Wrestling probably wouldn't have become the huge part of my life as it is now without them.
Vince thought this man was a friend and someone he could trust. Which is probably why he sold the company to this guy and his group. Turns out he was no friend and kicked Vince to the curb ASAP.
You're wrong about Vince buying his dads company "with his own money"... He used his dads company money to buy it... It's well documented...
I'm really enjoying the video essays! Looking forward to the next one. Thanks to everyone putting in their hard work on these videos.
These videos are fantastic. I love the new direction of the more long-form, explanation-type content. Well done to everyone involved!
Really loving these deep dives. A huge thank you to all of the very expensive people involved in making them, you're all worth every penny 😊
Now we all know why Shane went his own way and stays gone
Well done! That was a pretty concise breakdown. And I learned A LOT! I didn't even know about Vince's Granddad or even great grandparents! I thought he was from money mad by his dad. Wild!
When VKM ruptured both his quads at the 2005 Royal Rumble. Steph took over for VKM. The company started clearing house of dozens of dedicated employees over the next 6 months. Some had been there since WM1. 7 of us were let go from one department on Monday June 13th 2005.
He literally destroyed his whole family legacy. His father and grandfather would be a shame for what he did, vince mcmahon deserve everything coming for him
What Vince did didn't only make sure there is no McMahon in WWE, I doubt we see anyone with that last name back on TV, even grandkids won't use that name because its tainted forever
Vince literally inherited a kingdom and turned it into an empire he is the Alexander of Pro Wrestling no other figure will ever be as influential in this industry ever again.
Please keep these up! 2 for 2 amazing shows
Finally someone made the e connection with REAL LIFE SUCCESSION
Vince came from a broken/abusive home. Sad, terribly sad, but that’s the types or events that create these monsters
This is why the Rock gonna push HHH out eventually 😂😂😂
Leaving a comment to say thanks to everyone who worked on this video, it’s a phenomenal watch!
Been loving the video essays! Thanks for all the great content!
Oh boy this video REALLY put some timelines and seemingly random facts in an order that makes a lot of things make SO much more sense.
Hulk Hogan might've been the only ex-WCW guy that went over Triple H.
McMahon family are ICON'S.
I keep going back to that picture of tko merg Vinces face look like it's saying : "well it was fun while it lasted" and triple hs face looks like it's saying " you SOB" lol
Oli really did a great job with this Vince McMahon breakdown story, I did not know that WWF back then did work with NWA.
Very informative and fun!! Keep it up
I got a bad feeling that before this whole thing is done, even Triple H won't be safe. No way he's not in the know about all this.
It depends on how much Trips, Steph, and Shane knows I doubt Vince wants his kids to know all his misdeeds
@@theoutsiderjess1869 He once wanted to do a storyline in which he or Shane was the father of Steph's baby...Oh, he also made a woman bark like a dog on air. And that little sex trafficking thing too a while back, remember that? Yeah, care to re-evaluate that statement?
I doubt they know their dad likes to crap on peoples heads. At least not till now…….
Probably suspected he was having an affair.
If being a billionaire is a fall, I take that anyday
now that is a great show. well done guys
Makes you wonder if the allegations against Vince weren't made as part of backstage politics just to get him out of the company
I love this guy from the Wrestletalk he's great to deliver the news with good charisma and with his information glad to know more bout this about the McMahon's.
I hate to say this, but when someone says that he'd rather kill his own creation rather than watch someone else take over the reigns (no pun intended), then you know that something is wrong. Really wrong.
It's like hiring assassins to smoke out your own estranged kid because said kid was doing well (without you) and better than you. 😢
This has to be a movie or TV show at some point
In your haste to crank out this clickbait, you left out arguably the height of the internecine McMahon drama:
Vince - upon demanding to be let back on the board to broker a sale of the company - was DENIED via unanimous vote by the board, who wrote a letter essentially telling him to stay away, because his baggage would run the company down.
Why is this significant? Because Stephanie and Hunter were on the board. She voted against her own father. Which casts further light on why she quit shortly after he returned.
So Vince's father abandoned him when he was a child and he by extension was abused because of it?
Do we really believe that Shane created chaos at rr2022? Who are the sources, Steph and dsil?
Pls do it in-depth, ready for an hour+ episode 🎉
Definitely! I'd love to see something that dug more deeply into the dirty business dealings McMahon employed to make the national expansion happen. This was NOT a sudden change of behavior late in life. It was the way he always did business, slowly spiraling out of control over time.
Since Vince is gone. HHH, Stephanie and Shane should run the WWE.
Great job guys
Vince McMahon is definitely guilty but Vince wasn’t the only one. Vince should drop names.
Vince McMahon did not want to realize that there's no such thing as forever
Great video! Great story telling and very informative, and not a goofy jacket in sight!
I never thought it was going to end like this. I thought his kids and grandkids will run WWE in future. Shane's son looks exactly like young Vince.
Great essay as always Oli, keep it up.