400 Legend Whitetale Hunt
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! I was able to take the 400 Legend on a Whitetail Hunt! But how did it perform? Find out on this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Not all hunts end in a harvest, but they are still enjoyable. Being out in the woods with a rifle in your hand is about as good as it gets. A downed buck is just icing on the cake.
I'm of the opposite philosophy, there is a thin line between hunting and wasting a whole weekend off freezing your ass off in a tree😂
Amen
I am glad no one was upset with you leaving your stand! I enjoyed listening to your story of your close in still hunting!
I understand your frustration at sitting in a blind all day, Ron. I hunt in Michigan, and it's the same kind of landscape here. When nothing is moving, it can be very difficult to sit there doing nothing when you would rather be walking off the numbness in your lower half. I have come to find it very peaceful and relaxing to be out in the woods, as long as I am not half frozen, or battling a virus. There have been times that I have gotten out of my blind and stalked, but the trouble is the deer almost always see you before you see them. I can count the number of times I was able to sneak up on deer while stalking on one hand, and if you doubled that number it would STILL fit on only one hand. Many of us go home empty handed every year out here too, but that's hunting in the midwest. The joy of a successful hunt is really something special for us, and I have enjoyed many successes, so I am just grateful to be able to get away from it all, and enjoy nature, and celebrate the moments when our patience pays off.
Unfortunately, nobody has been able to get a firearm in the 400 Legend. It's been out for a whole year, and Winchester never had their firearms sold to the public in that particular caliber. After firearm deer seasons in most states closed, Savage was the first company to promote rifles in 400 Legend. So nobody can really tell you how it performed unless you work in the hunting industry.
Bad start for the 400 Legend, an answer in search of a question. Those 400 Legend Savage rifles will probably reach collector's status in 20 years. Doubtful the 400 Legend will survive. The gun industry does not seem to have a lot of faith in it either.
Gen 2 American has it in the queue for this year.
Eabco has barrels, I've owned a 400 legend since October
Also, I was wandering if they was possibly being sued again. The 400ar has been around since 2014 , seems winchester took a play from hornady (and winchester n the past) and just stole the blueprints and sent them to saami
Been a bunch of 400 rifles for sale locally
I believe the 400 Legend although stumbling out of the gate will catch on later this year. I have 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster AR rifles and pistols, and I think the 400 Legend will split the difference very nicely and be a great hog cartridge.
Loved the content of this episode. Here in Michigan we have areas that require straight walled cartridges, which I hunt. I personally use the .450 Bushmaster and find it to be extremely accurate plus authoritative. I'm accustomed to the 12 gauge slug's recoil since I've been 14 years old and find the .450 to be on the mild side. The short yardage shooting range and small woodlots require a DRT result as may landowners will refuse tracking access PERIOD! Use enough gun Ron, it just may benefit. Just my two cents and 37 years of dreaming, strategizing and honing my passion for this wonderful creature. Best of luck!
Hi Ron,
Can you please compare the 350 Legend, 360 Buck hammer, 400 Legend, 450 Bushmaster, and 45-70?
A battle of the straight walls?
Thanks
J
he already did, compared 19 straight wall cartridges
If they had a 500 legend then they would have my attention.
I'm thinking minimum 900 legend...
.50 beowulf
Ron needs to do an episode on the takedown power of a Howitzer on squirells .
That's too many legends
Ron! Appalachia is home and mountain hunting is something you need to do more of
I’ve got a 350 n like it , does what it’s supposed to do !!
My dad was a master at still hunting. He killed deer when others weren’t in a time when deer populations were so scarce people would come from all around to see a doe that had been killed. He also hunted while in the military out west. Taking several mule deer and elk with an old Winchester 94 30-30. The same one he carried most of his hunting life.
Really excited for this one! I don’t think this will displace 350 Legend or 450 Bushmaster but I really do think it’ll be a good in-betweener.
Get a 35 whelen that will make a 350/400 legend garbage to bed
@@joshsinglefootercan’t in straight wall states
@@joshsinglefooter can you use 35 Whelen in straight wall states?
@BustedLimbOutdoors in all the states that say .35 or lager caliber.
We've been using them for 15 years in MS,LA,AL,GA. Yall can too!
@@joshsinglefooter that’s crazy! I thought those states required straight wall cartridges only, COL of 1.8”, etc. crazy.
It’s a shame 35 Whelen isn’t more available!? It’s an awesome round ballistically speaking.
I say we bring it back! Who’s with me!?
Just started deer hunting this year and I have only ground hunted and took two this year. One at 20 yds and one at 140 yds both in VA. It’s not an easy game, at least as a beginner and I postulate that I got lucky both times. Come back for another round and I’m sure it will be better!
Absolutely devastating round. Early in the gun week I made one freeze up and just lay down. Huge holes in and out. 10mm Super Mag imo😎
Hopefully we get more ammo choices.
As a PA hunter pursuing deer I've hunted the small farmland woods in the southwest corner of the Commonwealth as well as the big woods of the north central tier. Both are different from each other and different techniques are needed. PA forbids baiting of any kind. But, there are limited restrictions on calibers such as minimum bore diameter and energy index.
PA has millions of acres of public gamelands making hunting accessable for everyone willing to put in the physical effort to hike in and out of the public lands often times with a nice buck in tow. Motorized vehicles are also forbidden in the gamelands so a hunter has to be in good enough physical shape to deal with the hike and hopefully the drag. This is a total anthema to the Ohio hunts. In the PA big woods you would be able to still hunt quite easily and depending on how far in you hike you may never see another hunter. So, the big woods aren't like your western hunts but you can still travel far enough to easily get lost on the big ridge tops.
Tell the truth as pa southwestern hunter out side Pittsburgh I hunt lot of gamelands. My family all hunt on private property in cow farms. Teach how be still know where sit. Iv pull few doe and had share spot stalk on gamelands . Taken big buck few years back with muzzloader on Puplic-Land. No baits here pa. U larn that deer pee in calls good friends and larn deer travel. Their fee area I agree especially 2b where change law to allow these straight wall rifles. I hunt 2a where run old 30-06 or 24e win. Still wait the day see semi-auto fully allowed.
Shot a big 200lb dressed out 9 pointer in Northern PA this year. The antler restrictions are having amazing results!
Agree@@NelsonAdvisors
@@jamespughI've hunted the public game lands in Burgettstown west of the airport in Washingtgon County. Is that where you hunt?
@Mark-uq9km iv have when I was living out with my parents with my wife. I usly hunt over at gamelands in raccoon near the state park . Also try hunt out in Wexford one time.
Close to my neck of the woods, across the ‘big river’ in WV. Hunting here in the thickets of Appalachia requires one to be a very observant woodsman. You have to really do your scouting with a fine-toothed comb: looking for trail intersections, bedding areas, food source, direction of travel, etc. It gets even tougher when you get into the steep mountains of central and southern WV. You can rarely see past 100yds so you have to put yourself right on top of the deer to be successful.
Youre right about it being ‘Daniel Boone country’. I can only image what it was like for him and other frontiersman exploring this vast, rugged wilderness for the first time.
I absolutely love my 350 Legend.. I use the 180 grain Federal and Winchester loads!
The 400 Legend sounds like another great cartridge!
Not supposed to be buying more firearms.. but I'll definitely consider the 350's bigger brother!
This one would be a 10mm on steroids 😮
The 10 mm in a bolt action rifle might have sold better - the ammo is already available so no need to create another cartridge. There is no reason for the 400 Legend when the 350 is wildly popular in Ohio.
@@PassivePortfolios it may have more to do with creating a cartridge that truly falls in the middle of the 350 Legend and the 450 Bushmaster.
It will sell.. I'm not in a restricted state and there's plenty of hunters using the 350 Legend here. With great success!
So.. it's not meant to compete with the 350.. just another option!
@@blackie1of4 agreed . I live Pennsylvania we use any rifle. But do few area that full into this straight case law or shotgun only or muzzloader
@@jamespugh I'm a Pennsylvania resident too :)
@@blackie1of4 awesome just subscribed !
I'm still waiting on Ruger to release the new Gen 2 American standard in 400 legend hopefully it will be out sooner than later
Ron everybody misses. Once in a while. I absolutely have 😊
..Ron, you are a man I enjoy listening, and watching. Your candor, humility, and joy are rare traits and they contribute to my gunning “education” greatly. Too often I will X out of an otherwise interesting and informative video! Scooting up a tree and settling into a comfy climber over a bait is not the worst way for a 70-plus to spend an afternoon, but my earlier years in the southern Rockies are still crisp and clear to me. Thanks. Pop Park
Gotta love that still shot for the promo.... Could that guy get any further behind the deer?? Long-arming forced perspective pix.... Gotta love 'em...
I'm all for new cartridges but the straight wall rules feel more like a sales gimmick. In Mississippi we have almost a 4 month deer season. They added a few 2 week "primitive seasons" that required single shot straight wall cartridges in the mix. I bought a 444 Marlin which I love and many bought 45-70's. They even threw the 35 Whelen in there. Non of these cartridges are primitive but they do require you to buy another gun and scope and bullets.🤔
You aren't kidding Ron. Our deer in South MS are so weary and skittish due mostly to dog hunters, they just don't give you a second chance. The woods are soooo thick, we're lucky to get a 100yrd shot unless we're hunting power lines.
Im in Vicksburg. All of the bucks I ever got a shot at were within 50 yards.
the barns expander mz .195 .400 copper is very popular among .45 smokeless muzzleloaders . it might be a quality option for the 400 legend as a factory load or among reloaders . really enjoyed your story , thanks .
Listening to you talk about exploring on the hunt makes me wanna take off out into the woods right now... Gotta love playing around in these thick east cost forests.
Thanks Ron. Nice review. I've hunted Iowa, and yes, it's a challenge hunting a congested area. It's a shotgun hunt. They harvest lots of deer with them. Would be nice to see them open Iowa up for more than late season antlerless hunts with a rifle. The 400 Legend would be a nice option.
You can use straight walls in gun season. I’ve been using 350 legend since it came out. Been a southern iowa guy my whole life.
After Deer season ended here in Michigan, During I had taken my daughter out with me to the blind during the season. She got the itch to go hunting
Shortly after I had ordered a BCG and barrel from Eabco, for the next deer hunting season,
Eventually, I will be handloading this. Ron, with your coverage and the turkeys option, had really got my attention with the cartridge
I didn't want to go the 350 legend, and 450 bushmaster was too much for her, as the 400 was going to be my daughter's hunting rifle. It's been way to cold in the last 2 weeks here in the thumb state to go shoot the 400 legend, cannot wait until I have a break in the weather to go shoot it
Great video. I could listen to your voice telling stories for hours.
Welcome to my home state Ron! Wish you would have had more success while you were here. But helping your hunting partner drag out that Monster makes it worth it. BTW raced through reading your 7mm book. Very good info and thanks!!
Here in Pennsylvania. The game lands is almost 2 million acres. And Sproul State Forest is bigger than several national forest. PA is 3rd in nation by percentage of total land area in public hunting land. Alaska, California. PA. We have almost every year the most licensed hunters. Sometimes Michigan beets us. But they have more people. The schools give holiday first 2 days of deer season. I am blessed. I work full time for the Pennsylvania game commission. And I live against sgl 073. 26,000 of public hunting land. 2 years ago a black bears was taken that weighed almost 700 lbs. Less that 2 miles from my back door. I'm very proud of my hunting state of Pennsylvania 😊
Good story! I can’t hunt a tree stand either. I either fidget or sleep.
Ron do a Ballistix video comparing the 350 legend and the 400 legend VS something that is more well-known like the 30-30 that you were mentioning in this video.
I'm still on the 350 legend train and trying to get a ar chambering for an all purpose rifle build but I love learning new things and interested although it takes me literal years to change my preferred calibers which currently are 9,10,45acp in pistol calibers and 308,350 for rifle chambering and I don't really care for 556
Hello Ron, I bought myself a Mossberg Patriot in 350 legend took a 130lbs doe at 30 yards it dropped her in her tracks, I live in Northern Lower Michigan were I was hunting is pretty wooded I'm lucky to reach out to 50yards
Welcome to my world. I drive up to southern Ohio from Florida to hunt in the the hills of SE Ohio, Meigs county on the river. Big hills, hunting woods I use the 350 legend . Loved your story!. I use an AR platform to hunt. Most shots less than 50 yards , 1x4x 24 is all the scope you need. Ground blinds, or tree seats
Slightly biased as a Clevelander here, but there is an awful lot of absolutely gorgeous country down in Southern and Southeast Ohio. Hocking Hills gets all the press, but the Shawnee State Forest and Wayne National Forest are great to camp in.
Great Video Ron 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Ron check out Pa. Lots of public land. The deer are in very steep rocky mountain land. I live right against sgl 073. 20,000 acres of game lands. Check out Pa bears in the record books.also our elk. Bring your Winchester 30-30 or borrow mine. I'll even let you use my grandpaps 1894.
Hi Ron. My brother Kevin and myself just got done refilling 400 30-30 rounds. My whole family hunts with the 30 wcf. I'm not against new. But my 1894 that i inherited works and always has. I absolutely love it. I got offered 3000 Dollars for it at the gun shop i took it to show the owner. Ill bet it cost less than 200 Dollars in 1909. When i go to the foever land it belongs to my nephew Hunter.
Seems like a good round like to see more of it.
If it fly's as good as 30-30 it will get er done. I have a uncle that got 3 does running across his field out of about 6 deer. All legally taken. You can get 6 doe tags in unit 4a.we live on venison in the cottle family.
Hi Ron I'm listening to you and refilling another Winchester cartridge. The 30-30. I have at least 400 empty cases to fill. My whole Pennsylvania family.brother,uncles, nephew all use 30-30. I still use my grandpaps 1894 30wcf. I'll say that the meat pole was sagging after the first week. I own 5 Winchester m94 30-30 and 1 m94 32 spl.all very much loved.
I just noticed, DID YOU SHOOT THE RUclips AWARD!?????? LOL!
3 times 😂😂😂😂😂
He shot it with a 20 caliber when he reached 200K subscribers, a 30 caliber when he reached 300K and a 40 caliber when he reached 400K.
No mention of the .450 bushmaster?😊
Exactly! Everyone in our hunting group uses the .450 bushmaster. When the law changed here in Michigan to allow straight wall as opposed to shotgun slugs, the Ruger American in .450 was the first bolt option we had, so we all bought ‘em!
True. IMO, the 450 Bushmaster is the best of the newer straight wall cartridges. It has the lowest chamber pressure of 38,500 psi and that is important in case that headspaces on the mouth.
@@user-ps6gu5xo4ktheres guys loading hotter than that and seem to be ok. Some custom ammo shops offering bolt action only loads pushing 240 gr to 2500
Up in Wisconsin here, we are in a similar situation, the deer what happens and run for cover as soon as shots are fired. The brush is typically pine trees, and raspberry wipes to about hip height on a six foot tall man. The good part 308 and necked rifle cartridge are good here for hunting. Plot over baiting because of legally, you can't bait, but people do it. Water and green grass are big draws. Winter is cold negative tens are normally last for twenty plus days a year in the deep winter. The deer have large packs of fat all over and acts like armor at times 300 black out can fail with lighter loads.
Great video Ron! God Bless & Godspeed
I love your show!! you can come hunt with me in Ohio any time. Lost my 450 Bushmaster to my oldest daughter then my 350 legend to my son in law after his first deer kill. I'm really intrigued by the 400 legend. I think it will be my next Ohio rifle. At least until one of my other kids claims it as they get older. lol
It's very possible there is a branch with .40 cal hole in it between where you shot and where dear was
I’m sure if you lived in the south or just in the East you’d be adapted to stand hunting because I’m sure I’d be in for a whole different world of hunting if I ever hunted out west
Live in east in Pennsylvania hunt on the ground or stalk even with bow or crossbow
Still waiting for barrel builders to start putting AR barrels/magazines out for sale. Hoping a few hit the market by summer.
Eabco...e Arthur brown company. That's where I bought my 400 legend barrel
Also, I use my 350 legend mags with zero issues
@@packerjh2 Ah. Very nice. I hunt suppressed in the woods and am hoping to find a shorter barrel. 14.5" would be perfect, 16" at the maximum.
You should try to hunt in Pennsylvania. Mountain laurel, clearcuts that at least 10 years old, open hardwoods, farmland hemlock thickets, swamp thickets!
You'll have to come try over in our part of the state (southeastern ohio). The terrain is similar, maybe just a touch rougher, but still some decent hunting. There is no cartridge length specification in ohio, so next time you can bring your favorite big bore lever gun. Hope this new year treats you well Ron!
Sounds like you were in/near Hocking Hills. Deer hunting east of the Mississippi R. seems to be much like Germany. I grew up in SW Indiana, and when the Army sent me to Germany, it was pretty obvious that the giant wooden "chairs" I saw in the fields and woods were hunting stands.
Im in Western New York and my camp is near the NY/PA border so its much like what you hunted in. We cant use bait….we have to pattern the deer…cams and scouting before season. Mainly treestands or blinds….but sometimes its to cold to sit and I stalk….keeps the blood moving and your body warm.
Lots of guys that were sold on the 350L on here hating the 400. The 350 is a decent cartridge, but for a few more pounds of recoil you get 20-30% better mv and energy. I'm sold on the 400l.
A good double feed AR magazine will give it an advantage, without that, the 350 L is better because of AR compatibility.
@@ravissary79 Yeah, I'm not running any straightwalled out of an AR. That might be true, but I'm just talking about straight ballistics with respect to deer/hog hunting.
Yep that was a tobacco shed. Here in WI most deer are harvested inside 100 yards
I have the 400 legend but haven’t shot it yet.. I also have the 350 legend and it is awesome.
I hunt thick woods and brush in Arkansas with steep terrain. I understand the challenge, I hunt out of stands because of the wind and thermals you don't want to be walking through the bottoms and ridgelines too much and spread your scent. I have found it is best to park yourself in a place where the wind and thermals are in your favor and keep vigilent. It is a very humbling experience to be sure. I have killed a few big bucks but it is a challenge the deer teach me new tricks all the time.
Good video. Very interesting story. I hope you come back to the Buckeye state. We do have some monster bucks, especially in
Holmes county. I live and hunt in northwest Ohio where the land is as flat as the table upon which you were resting your arms. Nevertheless, most deer are shot in woodlots, and at 50-75 yards. I've heard of and seen the .450 Legend, but have not used it, nor have I talked to anyone who has. Looks good, though. My choice is a Henry in .44 magnum with iron sights. The 240 gr. jhp is devastating on deer at short range. Keep up the good work, Joihn from Ohio.
Ah you did answer my thought, I'm looking to update from my 30-30 so it sounds like a 400 legend might be it. My only hang up really is that its only in bolt right now which is fine but I've got an ar sized gap in my collection at the moment.
Suppose? There’s monsters running around in Ohio, Bucks n does both
Ever take a 180# doe? I did, more then once
Happy New Year
So 16 minutes about your hunting in Ohio and less than one minute on the actual details of the 400 legend. Please do a future comparison of the 450 bushmaster, 400 legend, 350 legend
Thank You ...
Im definitely a still hunter , ghosting through the woods . It has almost become a lost art in many areas east of the Mississippi . Ron , you missed the deer , i noticed you still had your shirt collar . When iwas younger and you missed a deer , other hunters would cut your shirt collar off and pin it on the club house wall .😅
Ron. The deer was the biggest ive ever seen. We dont get them that big here in Pennsylvania. But we have nice deer here to. Pennsylvania is 3rd in the USA for public hunting land. #1 Alaska.#2 California. #3 Pennsylvania. Im very blessed and very proud of my employer. The Pennsylvania game commission. The very first and the best state wildlife agency in the world. 1895 was our birthday. We are wither 1st. Or 2nd for hunting license sales. I live agint amost 100,000 acres of public land. Im truly blessed.😊
Pennsylvania isn’t even in the top ten states for huntable public land. PGC is also nowhere near the best wildlife agency in the world. I lived in PA for all but 2 of my almost 24 years. The state I live in now does a much better job of managing the game than I ever saw in Pennsylvania.
I disagree with you. Go by percentage of land mass to public land. There are a lot bigger states than PA. So they have more acres of public land. We are third by percentage of public land. Look it up.and we are one of the highest states in Pittman Robinson funds. In this state you can hunt very easily for the common working man. The elk tag is lottery. But deer and black bears are over the counter.
@@user-wo2iw3kt8oI’m going by percentage of public land. Pennsylvania might beat some states on in State-owned public land, but it certainly doesn’t beat some of the western states in percentage of huntable public land.
As far as the management of elk and “the common man”, that’s not a really great comparison either. I can hunt black bear, elk, and deer over the counter as a resident in many western states. There is also pretty poor management of game in parts of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is a very decent state for a hunter, especially by Eastern standards, but it is far from perfect. Since a lot of this is a matter of opinion, it will vary from person to person.
Enjoyed your tale of the hunt. Probably fitting why your spelling of whitetail in the title is as such. Keep it coming sir.
Hi Ron. From Pennsylvania buddy Jeff. I'm old fashioned and very proud of my grandpaps 1894 30 wcf. Made in 1909. If in a straight wall state. Why not use a 44 mag, 38-55, 45-70. Or my 405. I not knocking progress. But my old stuff works and has for about a 100 years or so .as always you're awesome. I almost always hunt very thick hard woods. And in Maine in the north woods. And there my rifles get it done. PA and Maine absolutely do not allow bait.
Certain states most of these straight wall states have restrictions on the length of overall cartridge, the traditional straight walls are too big, this the 350, 400 and 450 were born
Check out the newest up and commer the 41 great lakes 2900 fps with a 150 gr projectile
The 350 Legend is by far the most dominant deer round in Ohio and nothing will change that. It does everything required, it is cheap, widely available and does not kick much - the straight wall version of the 30-30. Any new cartridge that comes along has to compete with the 350 Legend. That is why the 400 Legend will not catch on - there is no reason for it when deer hunting in straight wall states. It might have use as a moose/bear/elk round in Alaska and Canada but its short range compared to popular rounds like the 30-06 will discourage adoption there as well. So the 400 Legend looks like another round in a long list of obsolete cartridges.
Many said that about the 350 L at 1st, and many other calibers. What little 400 L ammo I've seen on shelf, is pretty comparably priced to 350 L. So if they keep it available, and similar priced, and actually get some rifles out on the shelves, it may pick up in interest. Time will tell. I've not got a deer with a 350 L yet, but if the 400 L has a little more thump, when hunting smaller properties, that is a plus when you want the deer down on your side of the fence.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill price is close but availability is not. 350 L is everywhere. Recoil of 400 L is double of the 350 L. Trajectory of the 350 L is a bit flatter than that of the 400L. Both do the job on deer with no problem.
I couldn't disagree more. The straightwall movement has just started. They'll be selling truck loads of new rifles every year, so there's plenty of room for another cartridge. The 350 had it's spot, but it's only real advantage is it's non existent recoil.
@@justinmiller7020 aside from the 350 Legend, straight wall rounds sales are flat and some cartridges are going obsolete. The 6.5, 270 and 7 mm high speed rounds are the hottest things selling right now.
@@PassivePortfolios Since more rifles, are being offered this year, the ammo availability will probably get better. If not, that will be a deal killer for it, for most.
Have killed a few with a 350L and really like it, thought the 400L would be even better, finally found a Savage Axis in 400 late in the season…never got a shot with it so will have to wait to next season…
I hunt Pennsylvania and Northern Maine. Its very thick and seeing the deer is the hard part. Ive had some luck. I sit and watch and area. And then mossey very slow to watch another spot. Finding a spot to be able to see more than a few feet is the hard part. Ive seen a bunch of deer i couldn't tell doe or buck.and they were less than 50 yrds.
If they make this feed well in an ar15 it would be a fun hog gun
The rollout for the 400 legend was pretty poorly planned. I live in Ohio and the vast majority of people already use the 350 legend, for the 4570. 400 legend has been around for a year but there has been no rifle availability of any kind to speak of.
Very true . Live pa travel ohio alot see the ammo but no rifles.
The Ohio woods are very open compared to Pa and Maine.
I live in upstate NY and yes, it is a waiting game. In years past the 308, 7mm/08 and 243 have ruled the roost, for the last 10 years or so I've hunted with a 450 Bushmaster because a 150 yard shot is considered long and that 450 has planted everything I shot without taking it a step. I was not impressed with the 350L, I had in the past a T/C Contender in 357 Maximum and wasn't impressed with it at all. I wasn't going to take a chance on another limp along 35 and I had a Marlin 336 in 35 Remington anyway. I did enjoy handloading the 35L, some slow pistol powder and a hand cast and powder coated bullet and we were shooting for just over a nickel a round with my stash of primers bought at $30 per thousand. This 400L looks interesting, more power, more wack, lower recoil than the 450BM and still has the ability for the handloader of very cheap shooting and practice. IMHO a better option than a 30/30 or 350L. Should be very popular in those states with the straight wall restriction. I have an old 243 Axis sitting in my safe and it might just end up with a medium contour 16" barrel in 400L just to see what it will do, the grandkids will love it.
It’s early June 2024 and so far I have only seen 2 maby 3 models of savage and 1 in mossberg for rifles actually for sale in 400 legend. Where is the ruger and winchester? I heard there were issues with mags but shoowee winchester jumped the gun I guess. Now I’m waiting to see how the 41 Great Lakes comes out. Also my straight walled state “Delaware” deems the 400 illegal through a ridiculous technicality since 40 cal is not listed in the law book to be legal.
The XPR rifle isn't even available for us consumers yet. That is ridiculous Winchester.
Another reason why the 400 Legend will fail.
NO ONE OFFERS ANY YET!!
Im hoping ta have a Ruger American GEN2 in 400.
Ron, I would love to hear more depth and detail on your hunting style. I have come across your same situation as I moved from the midwest to the west. My first season out here was unsuccessful and I would like to bring up my skillset for next season. Have you already covered this, if so would you mind pointing me in that direction?
Despite my whining in this video, I have had, over the years, good success still-hunting eastern woodlands. My "trick" is to just move very slowly AND GLASSING ahead. Often. I scour the woods with a 6X bino and often spot bedded deer inside 100 yards, sometimes as far as 200 yards. When the rut is on, bucks will walk by or even approach closely fro behind. A key is to find lots of sign (tracks, acorns, foraging sign, rubs, scrapes) so you're confident you're in a high-use area. Then you can slow down and search diligently. It sometimes takes me all morning to move perhaps 400 yards through woods like this. NOT my fav. style, but usually produces more deer than 4 hours in a stand. Would have worked on this hunt if I'd made that shot!
Yep, no firearms available. All say out of stock for 6 months. Donor guns straight from Manufacturer or custom builds are only possibility. For now! The buddies and I from Michigan do well in Ohio every year. We all see 3-10 bucks per day. We are selective.
And now there are whispers of the 41 Great Lakes straight wall
What has ruger ,Winchester or others not made a 45-70 bolt action . I know one company makes one but it isn’t popular or easy to find .
Honestly the ballistics are very close to the 350 Legend. The 400 has 400 flbs more energy. This is compared to my reloads. This is to be expected with a bullet with more mass. I use a 170 grain hornady interlock shots at 2360 FPS with 2060 energy. This is with a 16” barrel. Besides the little extra energy within 75 yards I don’t see an advantage to the 400. After 75 yards my reloads in the 350 are outperforming the 400 in every way.
Any thoughts on the Rossi lever gun ...44 mag
If you like .44 Magnum in a lever gun, have you considered the Henry Big Boy rifles? I’ve had one for five years and really like it.
You got a lot younger in the thumbnail!
Hi Ron. Awsome video. As always. I have a question about an old round. Its the 44 wcf. I use a 44 mag henry. Its very effective. I get complete pass throughs.i shoot hard cast lead 240 gen . I think a 44 wcf would do the same thing.im thinking about getting a m92 Winchester 44 wcf. I think it would work as well. Im not along range hunter. Pennsylvania is very steep rock ledges and big hardwood timber and mountain lural. I sit at good crossings. And mossey slow to new areas. What do you think about the 44 wcf. I really want one. I also hunt northern Maine. Its the same. Except not nearly as rugged and steep as Pennsylvania.
The 44 Win. Center Fire is better known these days as the 44-40. It was the centerfire improvement of the original 44 Henry Flat rimfire. It is generally loaded with a 200-gr. flat nose bullet driven 1,000 to perhaps 1,100 fps to generate about 500 foot pounds kinetic energy. Not exactly a magnum! Handloaders claim they can get (safely) nearly 1,800 fps. It was first loaded in the M1873 Winchester lever-action as well as many single action revolvers of that era.
There are a few out there. Savages n ARs
I think you would be successful n the Deer i. TROUBLE with a redo..
Also not all corn is one n same like acorns
I want to get a rifle in 400 Legend, but ammo availability is slim, and I mean very slim, and I don't think it's going to make it.
Adam’s county huge deer
I got a savage 110 400 legend before ohios gun season. Shot so bad I didn’t hunt w it. Sent back to savage & they replaced my barrel. I got it back & it still won’t shoot a good group. My buddy’s 400 savages serial # is one # higher than mine. Wouldn’t group he sent it back. They replaced barrel couldn’t get it to group so they sent him a new gun which he hasn’t shot yet. Just came in mail yesterday. I tried a vortex & leupold. Torqued to spec, shooting from lead sled. Scope is leveled & bore sighted. Im not happy. Really love the gun but it won’t group well. Anyone else have trouble?
Check your action screws, also make sure the when your rest it the the for hand isn't touching the barrel, especially if you have a bipod. I have a savage 350 and had some issues and it was the stock hitting the barrel throwing off the harmonics. Forgot to say the front action screw can go too far up and hit the barrel, also the stock can Crack or if is wood mash down causing issues. And the rail screws going too far down into barrel and slightly hitting bullet
I see it as a longer ranged 350 legend
The 400 Legend has shorter range than the 350 Legend.
@PassivePortfolios oh I was told the opposite I heard it was made to add 100 yards to the 350 good to 300 yards or a little more with more energy
@@shaneiveson517 when both are sighted in at 100 yards, the 350 drops about 7.5" and the 400 drops about 9.5" at 200 yards. using 175 and 215 grain bullets respectively. 350 recoil is 9 and 400 is 20.
Makes sense
Hey everyone, I got a quick question about how to check your barrel life and if hand loading different bullets will extend its life. I have a 3006 I inherited and 18 rounds that were hand loaded by my grandfather before he passed away which was before I was born and I try to avoid using it because I want it to last even beyond my children’s lives. So I watched a video talking about putting the bullet backwards down the barrel and seeing how much it “swallows” the round and if the bullet drops far enough that the casing is touching the tip of the barrel than it’s “shot out”. After hearing this which idek if it’s a accurate way to measure the barrels life I had to try it and with my grandfathers bullets it seems to have a pretty dang good amount of life left however I bought some 180 grain bullets from Remington and the bullet is almost completely swallowed and the brass casing is I’d guess about 1/8 of a inch away from the casing. If anyone can please tell me a 100% sure way to see the life left of the barrel or explain to me why there is such a huge difference between the two bullets which are both 3006 rounds I’d greatly appreciate because until I know that the barrel has a lot of life left I’m not going to touch or use it as I don’t want to wear out the barrel as i don’t even know if I could get another one because the gun is so old. I’m sorry if this is a dumb question and if I’m being paranoid, but this rifle is all that I have left to remember my grandfather and want to persevere it as long as possible.
350, you are worrying needlessly. You are not going to wear out that barrel by shooting any bullet weight or type of hunting ammo. Barrels "wear out" from the heat of burning powder at the start of the rifling just in front of the chamber. Multiple shots in short order are what overheat and cracked the steel at the throat or leade. Farther down the barrel the rifling is just fine. You could easily shoot 5,000 rounds down that barrel without wearing it out. And if the barrel is allowed to cool between shots, you might get another 2,000. Backward bullets and swallowing tips and such fluff and stuff is a rough attempt to measure wear at the leade. Unnecessary. You'll know your barrel throat is excessively worn when your rifle no longer shoots consistently small groups. If it shoots one bullet/brand of ammo consistently into a 1.5-inch diameter circle and over time (hundreds to thousands of shots) those groups open to 2.5 inches, it's a sign the rifling at the leade is excessively cracked and worn. Get out there and hunt with your grandpa's rifle! That's what it was made for.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thank you I really appreciate your feedback back! I’ve just been paranoid from using, but you’re right that is what it was made for and I might as well use it while I can and make memories with it like I’ve been wanting to. I plan on going hunting next year with my dad and cousin for the first time and I think I’ll take it with then to hopefully get my first deer with it(fingers crossed). I didn’t know that they had such a good barrel life as the rifles I was looking at getting to use while I held onto the gun had barely over 1,000 shots per barrel. Again thank you I really appreciate your response as I feel a lot better knowing I can just enjoy it and not worry really about the barrel.
As pa hunter on public-land no bait allowed. You larn from years hunting area lot other hunters pick good travel area hill or thick in watch in lesson. Deer pee help if deer come through a spot close ur set up and calls . Do few spot stalk not best reaults. Took one doe spot stalk and lot do on just sitting. Took big buck muzzloader in shotgun zone that know straight wall.
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Here my hunt this year pa with 30-06 show kind country here in Southern Eastern Pennsylvania.
Sometime look at the elk taken in pa. The largest non typical ever was poached in pa. The heaviest black bear ever killed is taken in PA. The hunting is hard if you do it legal. But very rewarding. There a alot of hunters in PA. But a good thing. The dumb anti hunters get nowhere here in Pennsylvania.
Just curious, how is this different from the 405 win? Besides rimless?
The.405 Win (.411 diameter) is a longer cartridge and generates around 2700 to 2900 ft.lbs of ME (depending on your re-load) out of 2 1/2" case with a 300 grain bullet. The .405 can also shoot a 400 grain bullet (where the .400 Legend is loaded at 215 grains, only). The .405 Win. is the round Teddy Roosevelt used in Africa for elephant and called it his 'Big Medicine' rifle. The .405 was chambered only in the Winchester model 1895 lever action. The .405 Win. case dimensions would be illegal in several of the straight wall case only states where the .400 Legend would be legal in all of the restricted case length states. As far as I know Ohio does not have this case restriction so a .405 should be legal there. The .400 Legend Winchester case has a rebated rim making it efficient for semi-auto rifles such as the CMMG. The rebated rim will work only in a bolt action and semi platform. Pressure indices are above 50,000 psi in the .400 Legend where max pressure in the .405 Win is around 44,000 psi.
@@Mark-uq9km thanks, so shorter and with a rebated rim, and the 405 was chamber in more then the 1895, double rifles, Ruger no1 and some bolt and straight pulls, thank
Did you know there was a four fifty bushmaster
And still is. When first designed around 2007 it was titled the 45 Professional. When it became a commercial round in 2009 it was renamed the 450 Bushmaster. Based on the rebated 284 Winchester case with its significantly rebated rim. Chambered in many bolt actions, single shots, and AR15s. Shoots a 250-gr. .452" bullet about 2,200 fps. Makes a big hole in game without placing a big thump on the shooters shoulder. About 300 fps faster than the old, obsolete 401 Winchester Self-Loading round of 1910.
The justification for the 400L is flimsy, it doesn’t provide any answers to questions. If they’re really responding to feedback from customers who want a bigger bullet, it’s a mistake; Winchester is essentially competing against themself. With the right bullet from big factories or boutiques, 350L is just about perfect for Midwest whitetail hunting. What Winchester should do is double-down on the 350L, develop some new copper and bonded bullets, and isolate the ridiculous 360 Buckhammer.
Whitetail?
His whitetail tale.
@@MIchigan-Savage wasn't sure if pun was intended haha
Whitetale?
It's an obvious play on words, a story (tale) about a whitetail hunt. So, a Whitetail Tale. Poetic license.
Nothing new. It’s only about 100 fps faster than the old 401 Winchester. The 401 is more efficient. It has a shorter case and operates at a lower chamber pressure. Also, the 401 is a semi rimmed case and headspaces on the rim. Winchester should have just brought back the old 401. With modern powders and bullets, it’s a great 200 yard deer cartridge.
They wanted rimless for AR rifles, lots of them in the deer woods now.
@@fruitfarmfords8243 The 401 Winchester was in the semi automatic rifle called the Model 1910. The modern “engineers” don’t want to design a bolt that would work in the AR15.
@@user-ps6gu5xo4k only so much real estate on an ar15 bolt face. Would have to bump up to ar10, and those are heavy.
If the round didn't stick around then it wouldn't sell now. Especially having to run proprietary mags and bolt faces. There's a reason they did what they did.
@@fruitfarmfords8243 The 401 Winchester case is only 1.5 inches long and rim diameter is .457 which is smaller than the 450 Bushmaster. The 401 Winchester would work very well in an AR15.