The Price Of Apostasy And Waking Up From Watchtower
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exjw ex jehovah's Witness Former Pioneer Former Ministerial Servant Former Elder Watchtower Cult
I want out but I’m scared because the only community I have is in the congregation. What advice would you give?
As someone who left 11 yrs ago and had NO ONE. Befriend that nice workmate. Go to the Memorial and approach someone you may know is out who leaves right after and try and get their number if their not trying to come back.
Most importantly GET THERAPY, I have and still do. I can give you my number if you'd like.
You won’t be alone. I got out after 40 years. To be able to be myself, study what the bible actually teaches, and use my own bible trained conscience for truth and love not being a puppet to hypocrisy and conditional love. Trust me as time goes by you will discover who you really are, obviously you are very smart and will figure it out. When the time feels right back away slowly as if you were approached by a “lion seeking to devour someone “ .
take it slow... leaving is super scary and very personal! So building some friends outside of the org is really helpful. And remember you don't have to tell anyone about your new friends or wanting to leave, play it close to the chest. there is a large online community as well, check out the description, we have a super supportive group on FB where we have monthly zoom calls and people are always around there if you need someone to talk to. Best of luck and keep yourself sane and safe
Its all wrong and in time you'll feel liberated and free
When we left we had no one. I found a local mom’s group to find friends. I know others who started going to concerts by themselves to meet people. Find something you love and try to build your community there before leaving. You’d be surprised how many ways you can find another community out. But I know how truly terrifying it is to think about leaving.
After my mom saw the Australian Royal commission videos and still stayed in because 'imperfect men make mistakes' I knew I had officially lost her. This week, after years of in-fighting, I finally admitted to being an apostate so she could "guilt-free" leave me. I'll be telling my therapist tomorrow, so we can work on helping me move on. I finally accepted my mom will never leave, and never apologize. Time to be a better me without her.
Your mom is probably like my mom. She thinks Jehoover will make everything right and I'm not damned. Give her a chance to live her faith and try to accept that she won't change and just keep loving her.
I’m sorry that you’re having to go through that. CSA is the reason I left. I won’t be a part of an organization that hides and protects pedophiles.
I woke up a pioneer. Saved her life. Best decision I ever made was agreeing to have a Bible study with her. Didn't take long before she said "it's all made up!!! What in the actual f*ck!!??" Awesome moment
Sendíng blessings and best wishes on your new path! You will be fine!
Hugs from Puerto Rico!
You got it. A better life awaits.
Apostate = Someone who KNOWS the truth of the org.
Your mom should be proud of you helping us to wake up. Well done Wally❤
It's so tough talking to your parents about this stuff. My mom IMMEDIATELY blamed herself as a failure in raising me. Truth is, she was. I didn't tell her that, but raising a kid in a cult and all the damage it does, being willing to let me die had I needed a blood transfusion (my dad died due to that), willingly shunning me if/when I left.... yeah, she was a failure.
If I was the mom, it will take me a lot of healing to get over that kind of failure the moment I admit how true it is. But still, there is a way out for a parent who's thinking this way, and that's when they will also admit that they had been fooled and are ignorant about what they had done. It provides an opportunity for them to know how to forgive themselves so they can move on. But ofc, this is waaaay easier said than done.
She was so duped and deluded, though. Sad!
I think it's part ego, but also part fear. If they admit the people they've been listening to all this time are full of 💩, they have to question EVERYTHING they've ever known. And that's a scary thought
It is hard to question everything you are. I'm very careful with this concept, as an athiest, so I don't ask too many questions of those who are not ready.
You're right! It was a very scary thought for many of us because the organization MADE it be a scary thought. 😅
This is very good therapy; just talking our pasts helps. 😮😢😅😊 16:23
I think this is the sentiment I agree with the most, I woke up recently and I've been immediately flooded with new questions, now that I know pretty much all the Organisation's 'facts' are false.
A few years ago i could never imagine NOT being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now i will never go back. Though technically still inactive, i told my old COBE, who used to be a close friend, that the other day. Also, that if he ever woke up, it would hurt like hell, and I would be there for him.
My wake-up in 2000: Had cancer and missed a lot of meetings; was reading GUNS GERMS & STEEL. I was headed to a Sunday mtg. & suddenly thought “what am I doing?! JWs aren’t true!” Never looked back.
Wow! Well, I hope you are totally well now and enjoying your nonJW life!
@@karenwestberg5838 thanks 🙏 and you too!
Hours after watching this video, i got a text from my cousin in another state. We have rarely seen or spoken to each other. She sent me a text, inviting me to attend my local memorial. Wally, i thought my head would blow off. All of a sudden, it all came back to me. All the feelings of no self worth. I pointed out a few points about new changes and Norway and Australian Royal Commission and told her she was in a cult. I then told her goodbye. Im still shaking and i have a headache. It never goes away
Oh, I’m so sorry!
I laughed so hard when u mentioned zombies. Thats how felt one time when i was attending a District Convention😂😂😂
I told my mom basically the same thing two weeks after we disassociated. She text she was “still crying” and I replied “one day you will understand” she replied my husband and I are “total fools”🤷🏽♀️
I was an extremist before I woke up and left. I was a very devout pioneer, and I didn't read, watch, or listen to anything that wasn't from Watchtower. My waking up process was just as extreme. I barely survived the ordeal, and I've been battling complex PTSD and other comorbid conditions ever since. I don't have the words to express the amount of pain and suffering I've had to endure thanks to being born into this insane doomsday cult.
I am so sorry about all that you have had to endure, and I hope you are getting counseling to help you get through it!
I know that feeling as having experienced complex PTSD myself. You will come out on the other side even if it doesn't feel like it sometimes
Wally .. your Analysis is ABSOLUTE BRILLIANT!! I came from the WORLD into this Organisation in 1979 which I believed was The TRUTH… BUT even the Baptism Questions have changed 3 times since then; The GENERATION Teaching has changed; the SHEEP & GOATS definition has changed since then; BLOOD DOCTRINE (Fractions are now allowed) has changed ; Allowing BEARDS has changed 😀.. plus Disfellowshipped ones can now repent at START of Great Tribulation etc,etc PLUS 4 of my BEST Friends (bought up in the Truth) have taken their Lives by hanging themselves . One was an Elder & Regular Pioneer.. I’m worldly hardened BUT these poor ones indoctrinated from BIRTH do not know how to Cope with the REAL WORLD .. I’m still inside the Organisation and determined to SAVE as many as possible with very subtle comments to waken them up gradually.
😊 I love PIMO'S.
@@apostababelindajames7461thank you!
Oh, wow....... The Watchtower literally has blood on its hands!
And when your family wakes up they will be so ashamed and yes that shame might delay them apologizing to you😢
Wake ups will come far too late for some of us. DECADES of abuse and delusion cannot just be swept under the rug.
I am so thankful for my parents. It wasn’t until I was disfellowshipped last year that my mother revealed her doubts in the organization. She didn’t want to sway me until I was out and able to see from the outside. My parents prefer to stick to scripture rather than be told from men what to believe. As for me, I still don’t know what to do with my faith. I’m barely healing from the most difficult time of my life after a divorce and my ex’s recent self-deletion. I have a long road ahead of me but I am thankful I have my family supporting me and not shunning me in my time of need like the rest of the congregation.
I hope that your heart is healed
@@HadassaMoon144 thank you. It’s getting there. Through therapy recently, I’ve finally accepted that it wasn’t my fault and that I did the best I could in that marriage. I helped her fight her mental battle for 5 years but she had a lot more damage than anyone could handle. I am thankful she is not suffering anymore.
Love podcast-on-the-couch vibe! Thanks for sharing your story, esp about your wife. I always wondered if we’d have that insight, so thanks for letting us in on that part of your journey. “One day you’re going to be so proud of me,” is such a great thing to say on your way out. I always wanted to prove my family wrong about a) i wasn’t good enough to be a JW and b) that I’d find out it was a cult. Both of those people were right, but at some point self-preservation overcame my pride. Maybe that’ll happen.
I’m proud of you Wally. Been following for a couple years and even seen you evolve as an advocate. Incredible. Love to everyone, and to you ❤
Narcissists will never admit that they are wrong or say sorry. My mom has always said the same about me, that I am in the devils world and that I am mentally ill. If I say anything about the cult she acts the victim and says I am attacking her. These new changes are probably going to cause her to have a meltdown as she/ they are so obsessed by image. She always used to say I don't want to be in the cult because I just want to do what I want, now the witnesses have more freedom they now have more choice to do what they want. She will hate it, seeing men with beards, no suit and tie and women wearing trousers will horrifying her. I haven't seen her for a long time but I worry about her mental health and how she will take the changes. Witnesses who were so proud of putting in their time sheets are probably left deflated knowing that they no longer have to prove what good JW's they are by going out on field service. Times are changing and it's great 🎉😂😊
awesome comment...especially it reflects my 99 old mother. she will be deflated, because she can't prove that she is so spiritual by time cards.
I feel the same for my eldest daughter, 41 and hopelessly indoctrinated. Despite the ongoing cost to me (df'd 35 years ago and completely shunned) I hope she stays in and never wakes up because the mental cost to her would be too great now to bear.
My mother would have been stumbled by the trousers for women. She passed away 4 years ago, she must be shaking in her urn with these worldly changes.😮
Sisters wearing pants...thats so wordly
I was looking at the moon last night "It's almost full." I will never get away from the knowledge of the 1st full moon after the Spring Equinox.
MEMORIAL has ALWAYS BEEN the NIGHT "BEFORE" PASSOVER. (rejection)
IT WAS ALWAYS A WAXING GIBBOUS MOON PHASE. (witchcraft) BUT NOT THIS YEAR ?? 2024 IT'S MARCH 24TH. (which is Palm Sunday) do they still claim Nisan 14
.WHY? AND THE MOON phase IS DIFFERENT?
THE SAME YEAR THEY CHANGE ALL THE RULES PANTS SHIRTS TIES SKIRTS BEARDS , NO FS time, Shunning
The GB is demonic Period.
Purnima, also known as Full Moon, is an auspicious day in Hindu religion dedicated to worshiping Lord Vishnu
Jupiter is out there too. Planets don’t twinkle and Jupiter is fairly bright . Look west after sunset (March 20 2024)
I'm into astronomy, even have a fun little "hobby" telescope, so these days the 'memorial' is just like any other full moon, lol
So, I started fading out in 2021. At the beginning of 2022 I finally gave myself permission to do online research about the GB. There were so many XJWs with excellent advice, so I faded and have never looked back. My family who is still in know exactly how I feel, and I'm giving them a little more time. I have a 3-year plan and I'm halfway through that, but once that time is over, Katie bar the door!
Great idea to have a plan! Seek for hekp if needed.
I have faded and absolutely inactive- but I’m still a number for the cult. But I don’t care anymore.
I showed my mother the Australian Royal commission. She looked at me and said son don’t you know they (apostates can manipulate those videos). 🤯 That’s when I knew she was too far gone.
Sad! My JW sister defended and lauded Geoffrey Jackson’s rhetoric and behavior. It was like his lying under oath just went over her head or something!
@@karenwestberg5838 it’s called knowingly acting obvious.
Zee zee's coat is the SAME color as your shirt!!!!!. That was really cool!!!! and assuming unplanned. Lol..😂❤
This is a welcoming video format, Wally! Also, I have so much appreciation for your journey and others who've left. 100% agree with you; pride will keep many from dealing with their cognitive dissonance in a logical way.
Absolutely right! We didn’t leave the people we left the organization. But we respect everyone decisions. We are moving on without 7 men dictating how we should live life. I can understand the Bible myself because I can read & not dumb to not understand. God bless you all.
@Alexander20.27 Religion is complicated to follow specifically for people who knows what they want in life, if we don’t follow their rules it’s better to not be in and let them be.,
My elderly dad gave me an invitation to the memorial and I put it in their mailbox when I left. His wife thinks that since I'm closer to him that I will do what he asks.....nope! They both know I have no interest in their belief, they are just SO heavily indoctrinated. Really sad to see.
Wally, your last memorial skit was SOO AWESOME! I'm excited to see what this year's skit will be. Btw, I'm proud of all that you are doing and thank you for all you've done in helping us in our journey out of Watchtower. 👏👏👏👏👏
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful trait. There will be JW's who will follow along with all the "New Light"(tm) until they end up with a full 180 and still adamantly maintain that the GB was right every step of the way.
Around this time last year. I questioned my uncle, who is an elder. About CSA situations. I even put his grandsons as an example. That what if they come to him and tell him a person is doing something to him he doesn't like. Is he first going to the legal department of the organization, or is he going to the police.
Or what if an underage person comes to him and that that's the only parent of that child that is abusing that child. That child is coming to him for help. That his responsibility is to that child first. Not protect the organization first.
He never responded and hadn't heard from him since.
Whoa.......
I completely agree with you, Wally. My husband and daughter have a lot of pride and NEVER apologize for anything. The more I tried to explain my POV about the organization the more they dug their heels in. I wonder the same thing…do they not want to admit they were wrong? I’m not sure.
My cousin is getting an onslaught of texts from people who haven’t spoken to her in decades. At first I was a bit sad when I heard the changes that my family all knows I don’t believe anymore. But seeing her conversations makes me grateful they know. So fake and as soon as you don’t act so appreciative for the reach out how quickly the tone changes. She is being so gracious. I don’t know I could. Thanks for this Wally!
Yeah, after DECADES of abuse I have zero desire to feign appreciation for BS like this.
With hindsight . I remember the feeling of superiority many JWS “myself included “ felt at meetings and assemblies . This was when people who left, were deemed as weak, or were disfellowshipped from their congregations. It was like “ we are the strong ones the chosen etc” if something awful happened we were at all the meetings to show how strong we were. To me it’s a good helping of pride, stubbornness,and sheer stupidity that keeps many in.
Brother you are someone I look up to, you are the voice for those who cannot speak up, or cannot articulate it such as yourself, I woke up long time ago but you were the wedge that drove me further away, and thank god for that Im on the path to find myself, not be a carbon copy of 7 million people
Absolutely enjoyed this, Wally. We need this kind of comforting conversation right now. Thank you. ❤
First: I love podcast Wally! Don't abandon it. I enjoy seeing you being so real.
Second: Wally, I can how much pain you have when you talk about your family. I'm so sorry. No one deserves to be cast out by their own blood; their own mother. It's a perversion of all that is good and natural. This religion has got to be stopped!
Hey Wally, longtime lurker never really comment on yt videos. but I think your point is really thought provoking, I also have thought about this. I've tried to wake up my family in the past and they are quite stubborn, i wonder too if my brazen attitude and distaste for the cult will make them dig in more. But honestly i think everyone is different, i used to dismiss apostate reasoning and get defensive about my beliefs when i was still in, but i think a lot of that was projection. At the end of the day it takes eating some humble pie to admit your previous faith and stance on things is wrong! We all have had to do this, so i don't think all hope is lost for our family and friends. Just recently i had people reach out to me on social media that i never thought i would hear from again who've woken up. I hope one day your mom tells you she's proud, i hope mine does too :)
The only ones that will stay even when the organization is burning to the ground will be the prideful narcissists.
I think my husband and I choosing to DA will forever prevent our prideful family from ever leaving or waking up. We disgraced them all with our actions 🙄
My wife and I have literally been talking about these exact things this week. She was born in and I was indoctrinated as a child. Both of us over 40 years in the cult and 3 years out. I gave the memorial talk 4 years ago. Everything you said is exactly correct. Thanks Wally.
I would like to hear about your experience
Iv dissociated my self from the congregation, my mother used to talk to me however she was NOT considered in good standing so in order for her to be able to pioneer I was given the choice to return to the organization or move out. Cutting ties was the best thing I ever did.
😂thanku wally i woke up almost 10 years ago after being indoctrinated since I was 12 baptized in 1959 became an elder now none of my children will even speak to me since I left the organization I'm still a Christian and following Jesus heart breaking
It is hard.
Thank you Wally..you are shining the light on the truth about the enemy’s operations via this manmade religion. From one Washingtonian to another, 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍!!!😊 -Sally T. In Tumwater
I’m fourth generation jw. I send my parents critical thinking points basically every month trying to appeal to reason. I think that it’s a complete waste of my time and energy and emotional well being, but I won’t stop because I love them. That’s how I know I made the right decision.
When I left 27 years ago I talked to Dad about stuff, at first he said I sounded like an apostate but then he really listened, then admitted he didn't believe the 1914 thing, and even when I got df'd 3 years later got refusing to stop associating with a df'd friend my parents never shunned me, so I got pretty lucky. Mom is 79 now and mentions things about the organization, especially all the recent changes, and I just nod my head and say that's cool mom. Id never ever try to dissuade her from being a JW until and unless they do something really insane, which is the main reason I still pay attention to it. Seems to me they're relaxing views and it's moving in a positive direction, in practice anyway. Like Wally says though they're still very much zombies and trapped.
@@cygnustspIt's one HELL of a life.
Dealing with this rn. My boomer parents will always be too proud and arrogant to ever accept anything else besides the propaganda. Sunk cost fallacy is real. They're always the smartest people in the room, and the smuggest. (Not a real word)
SAME HERE! Mother and 2 sisters. One is DFd for 15 YEARS and STILL sticks up for these assholes! It's disgusting.
@@cultytalk for me, I was an apologist in the beginning when I was out, but seeing the man behind the curtain stopped that instantly.
I questioned everything even when I was in so that much hasn't changed. That's kind of why people all ways said I wasn't that spiritual when I was in.
Thank you Wally for your Pioneering about the TRUTH of the CULT TOWER.❤😊.Love Podcasts.
I still have people I love, they’re brainwashed the same way we were! I’m not ever going to be mean, that takes too much energy. My siblings and I decided not to badger our mother over her choice to stay a JW! Life is too short and now that she’s gone, I’m glad we made that choice!
Thank you for always being so insightful. I think a lot of people are going to be waking up with all these changes.
we would love a house tour! your kitchen looks so nice. can tell you have an eye for interior design
thanks!
Yes.🙂
I’m so thankful that you’ve taken the time to make these videos man.
You’ve been a great resource for my wife and I as we have left. Would love to talk to you one day!
We must do everything out of charity and love to break the brainwashing.
Some are too old to leave now!!!!!!
I love this format. So chatty, just really like this style.
Perhaps this may be the bitter end for a lot of JW's. The wake-up will be PAINFUL and rightfully so for those that have rode this ship of fools out to this point.
It's still worth it. Left in my 50s after spending my whole adult life in this crap. It gets better in time❤
My mom is still drinking the kool aid. When I asked her about the beards and pants and lax shunning she gave me her trained response.
Love this video, it feels like we're best friends chatting in the living room. Thanks for sharing your story. 😍
In my case, I don't even care about "being right".
I just want them to know and understand that they aren't actually "in the truth", and as high as their ego is, it's 100% in their best interest to not continue in this cult. It really sucks that even things like the fear of being wrong is enough to keep them in. They just need to be honest with themselves. Stop denying evidence, and stop making excuses and downplaying the severity when things don't go in their favour.
I feel for you Wally, and others out there too. I hope more and more people (in and out) become aware and even if more people not JW are able to speak up, it might help some wake up, if not get them to see how many excuses and walls they really parrot and put up to keep themselves indoctrinated.
I was talking to my friend yesterday and I told her to just wait and see that the organization will be rebranding and possibly changing names.
It feels so good to be free… I show all love to my parents to show them that you don’t become an evil person if you leave JW … continue with your good work… 😊❤️👍🏻
Joni Sweden…
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Australia
Thanks Wally, very encouraging. The after effects of this cult has been extremely isolating.
Family never in it don’t get me & those in, well we all know how that works.
But “us” the PIMOs & ex JWs are far & few between but we get it.
Thanks 👏👍🤗
I like the way you are so kind to ZZ
Unfortunately it's a shame when family throws each other away for the fact that they don't agree on religion or politics. I like this kind of video from time to time. Also woop woop I'm the 1k like.
I’m open about how much I hate the organization to my PIMI hubby and I’m told these aren’t my thoughts that I’m listening to apostates 😂😂😂 I can’t even have my own thoughts according to the cult
And apostates whose thoughts do they have? According to JW Satan's thoughts
Both style of videos are enjoyable 😎👍
Yes!🙂
Lovely video. I started to wake up because they changed the songs. Truly a glitch in the matrix kind of feeling. Im super proud of you and just love your heart. You've got family here in Texas hun! ❤
Great video Wally! So many of us can relate to your story, myself included. Hope the bread turned out well. 😀
Your diffinently making a point about pride. But explaine this to me Sandersons rant about apostates being explained by John beginning at 2 John beginning verse 9, completely misrepresenting what Apostle John stated in verse 7&8 the "He" Apostle John stated he was specifically talking about ones who were teaching Jesus did not exist, was never born which John called AntiChrist. Yet Sanderson knowing this allowed his hatred towards Apostates to cause him to completely misrepresent what the Apostle John penned under inspiration at
2 John, so he deliberately did not read verses 7&8 in order to mislead over 8.5 million indoctrinated fools. It was unbelievable tomfoolery on Sandersons part how debauched the GB has become. How low they will go to try to blame everyone else for their own selves. I Just had to step back and look to try to understand how evil one has to be to blatantly twist scriptures to what they want to make people believe. Then the feed back I got from Witnesses writing me making excuses for Sandersons lies!
I like seeing you relaxed on your couch so ambient
I’m proud of you, Wally.
I love podcast style wally!
Wally you have no idea how much your content has meant to me and soooo many people... you're hilarious 🤣 and insightful and for us exjw peeps we all get it.... I do think your family will still be stubborn based on your story but deep down I know serval of them are now looking up to you for seeing these things the way they are
you never know what experience it will take to wake people up
I was thinking about this topic the other day, my family said years ago with 1000% certainty that Im wrong about the cult. So one day if they do wake up their pride will never let them admit that they was wrong all along.
I did the opposite and called my brother who is still knee deep in, he was always deflecting about the changes, i asked about tight pants tony and he was like who is that? I was like WTF you forgot about him already? The deflection was just so annoying to hear coming from him because he is so so smart but yet stupid at the same time
Thanks for sharing this Wally. You expressed so many of my thoughts and feelings that I've had a hard time finding the right words for.
i enjoyed "your rambling" 😂all that was missing was a nice hot cup of coffee or cocoa or tea. what a super cozy approach, love it!
lol, my biological birth mom, 46 years after my dis-fellowshiping and no association, has permission to invite me to the Memorial. Really?😅
No Surprise.
Great format & info Wally.
You are greatly appreciated for all you do and who you are.
🤜🏻🤛🏻💪🏼
The longer I’m starved of love, the less I continue to love them. It’s getting easier to live without them. So I got a visit from the prominent elder who taught me only because of the memorial invite. Didn’t answer the door. Few hours later forgot about it. Felt rage at first & then nothing. Nothing feels wonderful. Grateful for nothing! So, when they wake up - I’m doubting that I will care. And I’m ok with not at all. 👍
Hello Wally! Luv the laidback vibe❤
Enjoyed this. Thank you Wally. They may never wake up. You must be prepared for that. It's a tough one. My folks softened their stance a little over the years, but both died elderly and faithful. But that's a long story. Be well and stay safe.
Hi Wally, I just sent you an email. I hope you get a moment to read it as it took lots of courage finally after loads of therapy!!!!!Thank you for your humor and your voice and your work!!!! Love ZZ too, so cute! He looks just like our baby boy George.
I dont know how did i find your channel, but it was really a "blessing" in that moment, cuz i was just leaving the Jw Cult, and your videos really helped me to start thinking on my own. Thanks. Be strong we´re all togheter in this, no matter were we are (im from Argentina) and even u dont have a clue who am i, you´d helped me.
I'm having a real dilemma with attending the memorial this year; my grandmother raised me in the organization and has invited me to her home to celebrate it(I was very sincere pioneer for 4 years and I've been disfellowshipped for 2 after I began to fade and started dating my now hubby). At the same time, I feel so dishonest going since the ridiculous new arrangements have emphasized how the GB decisions are made with very little consideration. It's no longer apostate propaganda giving us insight into their decision making "process" it's in their OWN broadcasting!!! 😮
And I know she'll bring those new arrangements up to encourage me to return. It will be hard biting my tongue. If she does, I might just say, "You know what I found a bit strange, grandma? I thought I had missed the scriptural basis explanation for the changes, and so, I rewinded that portion of broadcasting, and realized that they didn't give any. They just mentioned that "the GB decided"." And leave it that. 😅
I did one better, I asked how the old scriptures they used to justify the GB/Organization rules had changed, asked if they were following the Bible then or now? If they are so biblically based, how could they get these simple rules so wrong? Especially when the context of the scripture literally has nothing to do with the W/T rules they forced, shamed, judged and gossiped about behind their backs… you know they all did 😢… unfortunately she defended their changes and doubled down on her indoctrination to the GB 😢… but, I will never give up, until she knows that she’s more than a 2nd class creation to Jesus 🙏
Ty for taking the time to talk about these things. I enjoy listening
Thank You Wally for all you do and share!
Never jw here, just want to pop in and say love you Wally. Helped me wake up from christianity and if my jw friend asks to attend the memorial again, i'll as about the beards and pants change.
I love the Nee Look Wally, Now Zee Zee Has More Room 😊
Wally, there will be JWS that will not leave because they don't want to apologize and want to prove you wrong. No question. They are no different than the GB members with their arrogance. Pride is before a crash...I think the saying is..no matter what, all JWS will be humbled and will face their reality. The GB of Jehovah's Witnesses will bail on their own members. The stage has been set. It will be horrific 😢
That's my family. They hang on hard to their pride. My mother has literally said that "Jehovah will forgive HER" for being in the wrong religion if it turns out that way! Yet, she doesn't think he'd forgive the entire rest of the BILLIONS of people in other "wrong" religions???? The ARROGANCE is palpable!
That too, but a lot of the elderly have already sacrificed decades and cannot see themselves nor have the energy to do anything else. Imagine a 95 year old man who went through 1975, 1914 generation doctrine, shunning family, not attending even funerals, graduation of families etc only to see all your family and friends gone, and you soon. Many sold homes, postponed careers, even having children and are now old, sick and weak. Their only worth in the organization is what they can out of fear, obligation and guilt, will to the WT in terms of property, assets and money. For most zoom is a blessing where they can just fade away in peace. A wicked organization they truly are.
@cultytalk Watchtower is crashing. Whether your family apologizes or not, they will all STAND CORRECTED. And just think, you can tell them: I told you so...lol...and get the last word. Lol...
I've thing that helps me deal with this is stoicism and determinism. All of us only have the illusion of choice. Stuff is going to happen regardless of what goes on between our ears and in our feelings. Is is.
@@tammyg8031 Yes, Watchtower won't be around too much longer. I don't even want an apology or need one from any of my family. I stand firmly in my truth about knowing exactly who the GB and this org are. I will welcome my family with open arms and show them what it really means to have love in your heart!
Love watching your channel Wally. Thank you. You are doing a great job. Proud of you.😊
Lost it at "baking memorial bread"😂
I really like what you said... I left the organization, they left me. Of course, "they" don't view it that way. They view it as leaving Jehovah. Jehovah will always come out on top in my mom's world and that's a very sad reality.
I like "podcast style Wally"! I can listen to the videos on my walks/whilst doing chores etc
Thanks Wally for a great video. I totally can relate. That's why I love being considered an Apostate. 😊
OMG I SHOULD REALLY TELL MY STORY!!! I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN!!!
I enjoy Podcast style, and ANY style Wally! You do great videos! You have really great insight with your topics, and also how you tackle objectives! Thank you for all you do! I try some of those ideas to share things to help wake my family member up, or at least prove my case against being seen by that member as “Satan’s Bestie” lol I a LOT of times find much gratification hearing you come to so many of the same conclusions, which helps me not feel “in a twilight zone!” My family member inside gaslights me CONSTANTLY practically!
Keep it up. Enjoy watching you.
I like your relaxed style. Thank you for all you do! You really make a difference.
I appreciate you so much and thank you for this talk. 💙
I totally enjoy Podcast Wally!! This is great.
I love this format of you chatting on the couch, - a real relaxed vibe. You should do it more often. Awesome content as usual Wally. Thank you 💖
It's become unrecognizable to me now, 9 years later. 😅
I have been out for quite some time, had a really hard time but got better. My mom is still very indoctrinated but is thankfully still talking to me and we are really good friends too! However I still find it so hard hearing her talking about the organisation.. She has been in there for almost 60 years. Every time I try to raise questions she fiercely defends the organisation, which results in me just avoiding the topic. But I feel she deep down also has doubts, but is so afraid to admit it. If anything I am just gratefull for our bond, because I know she will never leave. She is simply too afraid.
Great video Wally! I’ve thought about this a lot. You summed it up perfectly
I was dumped forty years ago. Thanks to you and others, I learned to grieve-it-out of me and even laugh. Thank you for that. Then I got my Warrior on. I got through that too. Then just today, before seeing You here, I decided “I’m done. Ready to move on. Let go completely.” Because I’m an “Apostate” (labeled by THEM) for asking too many questions way back then. So I don’t get the “Hi” from the fam. So I don’t care anymore that they worship false idols (GB). I got real strong and Let Go. I don’t care. I don’t want to be like them. THEN! A high school with a table of fluffy items if you want to donate to Suicide Prevention Education for youth. Oh oh. I care. Damn right I care: suicide rate zoomed up for JW kids. Is that why GB is being “more loving to kids” now? I have plenty to say. I’ll talk in high schools if they want me too. I’ll talk in front of these “suicide prevention” booths if asked to. I’m here. I care. I can let go the adults. The children, no. I hope the “new loving guidance” instead of ruthless Elder-speak helps kids not to lose their families. Shit. I can’t let go. Thank you, Wally. ❤
Thanks for this post. I, too, was a JW kid, dumped over 30 years ago. Have a good career and nice children (adults) of my own now. My brother tried to keep "ties" with the JW relatives. I contend that these same folks were instrumental in his demise. He shot himself in the head in Dec. 2022.
Good cause...anti-suicide. JW kids need lots of support.
@@ellegee4683 oh I am so sorry and shocked for you. I knew of many suicides but none personally in family. Myself, a couple of times. Wow. That is a difficult situation that happened to you and I hope you’ll speak or write if you ever feel that calling to. Please know my heart goes out to you and thank you for sharing your story. ♥️🌹😞
I am so sorry about your brother! The Watchtower has SO much to answer for!
@Alexander20.27 We’re all interested in your story. Please do share. Thank you for wanting to. Many people benefit hearing others as they feel all alone otherwise. No one is alone. WT does this to so many, eventually, hoping you’ll crawl back and then go through a tough reinstatement then fear ever leaving. It’s no way to enjoy the Gift of Life. Thank you.