Finally a good video which prooves that IBIS in Sony cameras are optimized for photos. IMHO active steadyshot mode in ZV-E10 really makes difference in video mode of course for a price of a heavy crop. Catalyst can also produce wonderful results, but it really eats post processing time, and requires shutter speeds above 1/100.
Great video! Love that your videos are the point, very informative with realtime shots/footage. Glad you are not like some channels who just talk straight for 10mins looking into the camera without any realtime demonstration.
had the 6400 with half the sigma quartet (23mm and 56mm) and also have the sigma 18-50 for about 3 weeks. I noticed that low light, i really struggled to get clean shots without the help of a mono/tripod. Exchange for the 6600 and it definitely made a difference and slower shutter speeds, is it a huge difference no not really. But it helps the Sigmas lenses get the best out of low light situations.
Awesome Stuart! Thanks for your time working on that comparison. I'm deciding whether I upgrade my a6400 to the a6600 based on iBIs performance. I do think it definitely helps with prime lenses and handheld movements.
Very, very helpful, thanks. A6400 is such a sweet spot now but I'm IBIS spoiled from even entry level M43 bodies. Vloggers may be able to stabilize their fascinating walk and talks in editing though and there are a lot of video styles where a dead on calm camera isn't mandatory. But it's so hard to let go off once you've tried.
You'd only want the IBIS for the micro-jitters - I know, I would like that JUST for that! Then use the camera on top of a gimbal, when filming something serious.
I would actually want to see the other way around. 6400 with Tamron 17-70 / 6600 with sigma 18-50. Basically to see the difference between Tamron's VC and IBIS.
Thanks for the test. Surprised by the poor results. Only 1-2EV advantage in photo test? Would be interesting to see your result sheet (% of sharp photos at individual shutter speeds).
Some Sony OSS lenses stabilize better than others. The 16-50mm oss kit lens does not have as powerful or effective walking around hand held stabilization as the better oss lenses, (i.e 18-105mm f4 and 10-18mm f4).
THERE IS NO IBIS + OSS, like we all would have dreamed of... (double IBIS of some sort). Sony deactivates the parts in the IBIS where the lens is taking care of in the OSS. So, you IBIS + OSS is basically OSS + yaw or pitch or something, not a double stabilization ON ALL LEVELS of some sort.
@@StuartRodwell cause usually, most of the cameras crop a little bit when IBIS are turn on. But base on your video, it looks like it doesn’t. Unless you adjust your distance while shooting it. Hmm interesting 🤔
Recently jumped back to Sony after using Panasonic cameras with IBIS for a while and Panasonic’s IBIS is just so so so much better. Like it’s kind of shocking how much better even just standing still is on Panasonic. Sort of frustrating to adjust back to a pretty subpar IBIS with Sony. I would’ve thought that they’d have improved things over the years.
@@PatrickWithCamera Panasonic - S1, S1H; Sony - a1, and FX3. I moved back to Sony for the massive improvements in Autofocus, and was a pretty disappointed in their IBIS after being away from it since the a6500 back when it released. Went to Panasonic when the GH5 launched, and have been using Panasonic cameras ever since, until more recently when I decided to go back to Sony for the autofocus and improved color science with 10 422 codecs. But the S1/S1H is a night and day difference in IBIS. Sony’s IBIS is usable, but way less forgiving, even for simple things like swaying and panning with slight handheld movement. It has the same sensor slide issues where the entire frame jumps around in an attempt to keep up with the movement. That kind of IBIS issue was far less prevalent on the Panasonic cameras. The active stabilization helps a little with the 1.1x crop, but it happens way more on Sony than it did on Panasonic. It’s clear Panasonic prioritizes video shooting with their IBIS while Sony seems to prioritize photo shooting IBIS.
@@KNAPPAID G80 shooter confirms. Really surprised to see a6600 IBIS bounce away here. To such an extent that staying on M43 lumix with sub par DFD AF is a reasonable trade off to be worked around. Weather sealing is probably better too.
@@KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht i would agree if i had less movement in my videos , but since im carrying a gimbal anywhere anyway that needs videos anyway , then the ibis isnt really a selling point.
For fine jitters ibis probably buys you a stop or two tops. It’s definitely not a gimbal. People have to be aware of this. In challenging light, the a6600 is the best crop body. It’s not perfect though, and therefore I’ll be adding an a7iv to help with low light photos around the home.
I’d say that it only really helps remove micro jitters from simple movement / static shots. For anything more, I.e walking around vlogging, it’s not much use. If you were planning on filming lots of movement I’d probably suggest an A6400 paired with a gimbal. ….although the extra battery size of the A6600 is a massive help.
@@StuartRodwell My bad, I made a mistake with my question in not being specific about the use case, which would primarily be photography. But thanks for answering. Would you recommend the A6400 for static / still image photography if I pair it with stabilized Sony OSS lenses such as the 16-50mm kit lens, the Sony E 35mm f1.8 and Sony E 50mm f1.8? The Samyang/Rokinon 35mm f2.8 is a cheaper alternative to the Sony 35mm f1.8 but is unstabilized. I currently have a GX85 as my first digital camera and I'm impressed by its IBIS so I'm not sure if my next camera should also have it or if I'll be inconvenienced by the absence of it.
@@KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht No, still using the GX85 and have bought a few lenses since then. Hopefully Panasonic releases mid-range M43 bodies with PDAF.
@@Kizarat yeah, hope so too. GX9 II or GX90 or something around there would be nice. The new G100D didn't get it. If they put it in one of the small sensor bridge bodies I'd consider that as well.
The A6400 is a better deal for sure. The IBIS does make a big difference when it's darker or if you're taking videos, however the problem is that the camera also costs twice as much so you'll have to assess how much this matters to you.
I just got into funko pops, so much so that I see them all over my marketplace feed (and now I'm seeing them in your video). Damn big brother really is watching.. lol
Good video, great colour grading! Sony ibis is the worst for video I've ever seen. For photos it works well. Sold my 6600 (even with the stabilized Tamron 1170f2.8 it was shaky as hell) but can't decide which direction I should head to. Fuji x-t4 or Sony A7iv...
@@grauraum check for latest zhuyun models. They came with smallest gimbal). Without gimbal ff will give almost same results as apsc especially when cameraman moving and dynamic scenes. Just at higher price and weight.
For photos the ibis is good but for videos its almost a joke 😅 Thats also a reason why Im hoping for Somy to release a new apsc camera next year which has their killer gyro stabilization 👍
If you have to shoot professional video for several hours (wedding, events etc) anyway gimbal and tripod or monopod must have. So in that case apsc a6400 or even a6600 is better. Price of lenses and weight. Price of even a6600 with full setup of lenses and gimbal anyway cheaper than FF and way lighter. About IBIS in photo not usable for portraits. It doesn't stabilize a model)
I think it can also help with portraits, less than for static object for sure. But shaking of camera is adding to movement of person so you should have sharper picuters with stabilisation.
The camera in your hands moving a millimeter left or right is orders of magnitude more impactful than a model moving a millimeter left or right... When you're at a portrait focal length like 50mm, 85mm or higher slight movements, especially in rotation are magnified tremendously because of the angle of view. As an extreme example, move the camera an inch in rotation and see how far the model moves in the frame, if they're even still in it - compared to the motion of them moving an inch.
Yikes, worst IBIS in the business. Terrible on my old a7IV but I thought it was just due to the FF sensor, This is unacceptable for a crop sensor camera IMO. My FF S5II blows this away. Was considering an a6600 for a second camera, not after watching this. Thanks
All these tests are useless when you're trying to film with a camera that weighs under a pound. Get the camera to weigh at least a good 4-7 pounds. That will significantly help or add more points of contact with either handles or grips and a strap.
@@joeltunnah thanks. Yeah I knew Panasonic was very good for stable footage. Any specific panasonic camera in particular around $1k or less that you like?
Dear brother. You are the only one in RUclips. Exactly what I need. Subscribers satisfaction is much need and you handle it very well. Keep going 🤗
Thanks man - appreciate it! 🙏🏻
If only I had an iPhone ;(
Finally a good video which prooves that IBIS in Sony cameras are optimized for photos. IMHO active steadyshot mode in ZV-E10 really makes difference in video mode of course for a price of a heavy crop. Catalyst can also produce wonderful results, but it really eats post processing time, and requires shutter speeds above 1/100.
Thanks for watching man 🙏🏻. Will have to check out Catalyst 👍🏻
@StuartRodwell if I had an iphone, could you provide a solution?
It is pretty much effective when is handheld without walking. Once walking(big movement), not much valuable. Very clear review. Thanks
You’re welcome 👍🏻
So is a tripod 😃
Great video! Love that your videos are the point, very informative with realtime shots/footage. Glad you are not like some channels who just talk straight for 10mins looking into the camera without any realtime demonstration.
Thank you 🙏🏻 These videos take me a while to make so always appreciate feedback like this 👍🏻
had the 6400 with half the sigma quartet (23mm and 56mm) and also have the sigma 18-50 for about 3 weeks. I noticed that low light, i really struggled to get clean shots without the help of a mono/tripod. Exchange for the 6600 and it definitely made a difference and slower shutter speeds, is it a huge difference no not really. But it helps the Sigmas lenses get the best out of low light situations.
Love your vids Stu. Tia has the patience of a saint!
😂 she sure does! Thanks for watching Sam 🙌🏻
I hope Tia gets paid well for all her hard work
😂 Yeah I do sort her out a drink for helping me
Awesome Stuart! Thanks for your time working on that comparison.
I'm deciding whether I upgrade my a6400 to the a6600 based on iBIs performance. I do think it definitely helps with prime lenses and handheld movements.
Very, very helpful, thanks. A6400 is such a sweet spot now but I'm IBIS spoiled from even entry level M43 bodies. Vloggers may be able to stabilize their fascinating walk and talks in editing though and there are a lot of video styles where a dead on calm camera isn't mandatory. But it's so hard to let go off once you've tried.
love the style and colors you use to introduce the different chapters of the video! Thanks for the comparison!
Cool comparison, just straight to the point :) i have the sony a6500 with the 18-105G lens and sigma 30mm, working pretty well both of em
Thanks Nate 🙌🏻. You have a good range covered with those lenses 👍🏻
Quite helpfull for me - that comparison in photography mode at ~ 4:00. Thkx for sharing.
Glad it came in useful 👍🏻
You'd only want the IBIS for the micro-jitters - I know, I would like that JUST for that!
Then use the camera on top of a gimbal, when filming something serious.
Yes exactly my thoughts 👍🏻
A great video! Very useful for me! I would also like to know which one has batter stabilization a6400+sigma 18-50 vs a6600+tamron 17-70?
I would actually want to see the other way around. 6400 with Tamron 17-70 / 6600 with sigma 18-50. Basically to see the difference between Tamron's VC and IBIS.
i love ur grading man!1
Thank you 🙏🏻
sigma 56mm vs sony 50mm which one is better for zv e10 active stabilization
Thanks for the test. Surprised by the poor results. Only 1-2EV advantage in photo test? Would be interesting to see your result sheet (% of sharp photos at individual shutter speeds).
Some Sony OSS lenses stabilize better than others. The 16-50mm oss kit lens does not have as powerful or effective walking around hand held stabilization as the better oss lenses, (i.e 18-105mm f4 and 10-18mm f4).
Thank you Mr. Stuart for this very informative comparison. More power to your channel! :)
Thanks Jomel!
THERE IS NO IBIS + OSS, like we all would have dreamed of... (double IBIS of some sort).
Sony deactivates the parts in the IBIS where the lens is taking care of in the OSS.
So, you IBIS + OSS is basically OSS + yaw or pitch or something, not a double stabilization ON ALL LEVELS of some sort.
I didn’t know that - Great info man 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Thanks for letting us all know 👍🏻
Does the a6600 crop it even more when taking a video and IBIS On? base on your shots it looks like it doesnt crop.
In all honesty I’m not sure as I always have it turned on. Don’t think it does though.
@@StuartRodwell cause usually, most of the cameras crop a little bit when IBIS are turn on. But base on your video, it looks like it doesn’t. Unless you adjust your distance while shooting it. Hmm interesting 🤔
This video is so chill and useful!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Recently jumped back to Sony after using Panasonic cameras with IBIS for a while and Panasonic’s IBIS is just so so so much better. Like it’s kind of shocking how much better even just standing still is on Panasonic. Sort of frustrating to adjust back to a pretty subpar IBIS with Sony. I would’ve thought that they’d have improved things over the years.
Which model of sony and panasonic you talking?
@@PatrickWithCamera Panasonic - S1, S1H; Sony - a1, and FX3. I moved back to Sony for the massive improvements in Autofocus, and was a pretty disappointed in their IBIS after being away from it since the a6500 back when it released. Went to Panasonic when the GH5 launched, and have been using Panasonic cameras ever since, until more recently when I decided to go back to Sony for the autofocus and improved color science with 10 422 codecs. But the S1/S1H is a night and day difference in IBIS. Sony’s IBIS is usable, but way less forgiving, even for simple things like swaying and panning with slight handheld movement. It has the same sensor slide issues where the entire frame jumps around in an attempt to keep up with the movement. That kind of IBIS issue was far less prevalent on the Panasonic cameras. The active stabilization helps a little with the 1.1x crop, but it happens way more on Sony than it did on Panasonic. It’s clear Panasonic prioritizes video shooting with their IBIS while Sony seems to prioritize photo shooting IBIS.
@@TheJ_G it says something when pana's g85 have better ibis than flagship sony's
@@KNAPPAID G80 shooter confirms. Really surprised to see a6600 IBIS bounce away here. To such an extent that staying on M43 lumix with sub par DFD AF is a reasonable trade off to be worked around. Weather sealing is probably better too.
@@KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht i would agree if i had less movement in my videos , but since im carrying a gimbal anywhere anyway that needs videos anyway , then the ibis isnt really a selling point.
For fine jitters ibis probably buys you a stop or two tops. It’s definitely not a gimbal. People have to be aware of this. In challenging light, the a6600 is the best crop body. It’s not perfect though, and therefore I’ll be adding an a7iv to help with low light photos around the home.
“Best crop body”… you mean among Sony’s offerings? Because there are a lot of other contenders for “best” crop body.
thank you very much, this video helped solve my problem
Thanks for the video. It delivered exactly what I wanted to know.
In your opinion, is it worth buying either the A6500 or A6600 for their IBIS?
I’d say that it only really helps remove micro jitters from simple movement / static shots.
For anything more, I.e walking around vlogging, it’s not much use. If you were planning on filming lots of movement I’d probably suggest an A6400 paired with a gimbal.
….although the extra battery size of the A6600 is a massive help.
@@StuartRodwell My bad, I made a mistake with my question in not being specific about the use case, which would primarily be photography. But thanks for answering.
Would you recommend the A6400 for static / still image photography if I pair it with stabilized Sony OSS lenses such as the 16-50mm kit lens, the Sony E 35mm f1.8 and Sony E 50mm f1.8? The Samyang/Rokinon 35mm f2.8 is a cheaper alternative to the Sony 35mm f1.8 but is unstabilized.
I currently have a GX85 as my first digital camera and I'm impressed by its IBIS so I'm not sure if my next camera should also have it or if I'll be inconvenienced by the absence of it.
@@Kizarat did you switch over? I'm also on M43, G80, pondering a a6xxx.
@@KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht No, still using the GX85 and have bought a few lenses since then.
Hopefully Panasonic releases mid-range M43 bodies with PDAF.
@@Kizarat yeah, hope so too. GX9 II or GX90 or something around there would be nice. The new G100D didn't get it. If they put it in one of the small sensor bridge bodies I'd consider that as well.
Thank you for your great effort❤
You're welcome 😊
Great video!
I own 6400 do i need to upgrade to 6600 or i should buy gimbal..... which will be the good option i manly into video's
Go with the gimbal - the ibis in the 6600 isn’t that effective anyway 👍🏻
It's honestly hard to tell apart. Surprising definitely.
Yes, it helps, but not a lot!
Does it mean for a beginner, A6400 is the best deal ?
The A6400 is a better deal for sure. The IBIS does make a big difference when it's darker or if you're taking videos, however the problem is that the camera also costs twice as much so you'll have to assess how much this matters to you.
Hi, does your luts works with filmora?
According to this article, yes I think they do :) www.bouncecolor.com/blogs/tutorials/filmora-luts
Very Informative ❣️
Thank you 🙌🏻
I just got into funko pops, so much so that I see them all over my marketplace feed (and now I'm seeing them in your video). Damn big brother really is watching.. lol
😂😂😂
I’m very surprised how poor the Sony video IBIS is. Borrow a Lumix G9, you’ll be blown away.
Appreciate the test though, thanks Stuart.
Yes, not overly effective unfortunately!
Thanks for watching Joel 👍🏻
Good video, great colour grading! Sony ibis is the worst for video I've ever seen. For photos it works well. Sold my 6600 (even with the stabilized Tamron 1170f2.8 it was shaky as hell) but can't decide which direction I should head to. Fuji x-t4 or Sony A7iv...
Anyway gimbal is more efficient. So when you have gimbal the difference between a6600, xt4, A7IV will be the price)
@@Garbid yeah, I know. But a gimbal isn't an option for vacation and family trips... 😞
@@grauraum check for latest zhuyun models. They came with smallest gimbal). Without gimbal ff will give almost same results as apsc especially when cameraman moving and dynamic scenes. Just at higher price and weight.
@@Garbid gimbal IS NOT an option. 😉
@@grauraum then GH)
Ini yg daya cari 😁👍🏻
Thanks!!!
For photos the ibis is good but for videos its almost a joke 😅
Thats also a reason why Im hoping for Somy to release a new apsc camera next year which has their killer gyro stabilization 👍
You and me both! 😎
love it
Thank you 🙏🏻
Im disappointed in Sony IBIS comming from a Panasonic gx85. Ibis was the main reason for going with the a6500. Should of just went with the a6400.
Yes, whilst it helps, it’s only by a small amount.
If you have to shoot professional video for several hours (wedding, events etc) anyway gimbal and tripod or monopod must have. So in that case apsc a6400 or even a6600 is better. Price of lenses and weight. Price of even a6600 with full setup of lenses and gimbal anyway cheaper than FF and way lighter. About IBIS in photo not usable for portraits. It doesn't stabilize a model)
I think it can also help with portraits, less than for static object for sure. But shaking of camera is adding to movement of person so you should have sharper picuters with stabilisation.
The camera in your hands moving a millimeter left or right is orders of magnitude more impactful than a model moving a millimeter left or right... When you're at a portrait focal length like 50mm, 85mm or higher slight movements, especially in rotation are magnified tremendously because of the angle of view.
As an extreme example, move the camera an inch in rotation and see how far the model moves in the frame, if they're even still in it - compared to the motion of them moving an inch.
6600 ibis looks good when you are stationary & pretty useless (for being ibis) when moving.
Yup, completely agree
Ibis isn't perfect, but a whole lot better than not having it ^
They should just rename it to in body jitter reduction
😂
Gyro stabilization is MUCH better! :/
Agreed!
Yikes, worst IBIS in the business. Terrible on my old a7IV but I thought it was just due to the FF sensor, This is unacceptable for a crop sensor camera IMO. My FF S5II blows this away. Was considering an a6600 for a second camera, not after watching this. Thanks
a6400 yyds
All these tests are useless when you're trying to film with a camera that weighs under a pound. Get the camera to weigh at least a good 4-7 pounds. That will significantly help or add more points of contact with either handles or grips and a strap.
so just invest in a gimbal? Got it
Or switch camera brands.
Gimbal is cheaper) Especially if you have apsc as their lenses are way more cheeper than FF or native fuji)
@@joeltunnah which brands have good video quality and stabilization?
@@ethannaka1822 Panasonic and Olympus have the best stabilization in the business.
@@joeltunnah thanks. Yeah I knew Panasonic was very good for stable footage. Any specific panasonic camera in particular around $1k or less that you like?
A great video! Very useful for me! I would also like to know which one has batter stabilization a6400+sigma 18-50 vs a6600+tamron 17-70?