Optical SteadyShot vs In-Body Image Stabilization

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  • @andreeadobre3190
    @andreeadobre3190 4 года назад +18

    I'm looking into these things since I just bought an A6400. It's a bit bizarre for me when most of my university time (cinematography) was about how to do image stabilization with your bare hands and body, and I did just fine for years with an old beat up Canon 550D and vintage lenses. It's cool how much technology can do for us but let's not forget that skills > gear. Learn how to position your arms, how to move your legs when shooting handheld video walking or even with a tripod, how to sync your breathing to what you do with the camera etc. Be aware of everything your body is doing in relation to the camera, experiment, practice. It's all free.

    • @mirrorlessny
      @mirrorlessny 3 года назад +1

      so true there are many things one can do to make things more smooth, good thing recently Sony introduced ACTIVE IBIS which noticeably improves stabilization on cameras like ZV-1 & A7SIII, hopefully all their future models will get it

  • @pizzablender
    @pizzablender 5 лет назад +15

    For testing stabilization in photography, you really need to have longer shutter speeds (1/30th at 30mm for example) and take a number of shots. Also, aperture around 5.6-8 so that focus is not so critical.

  • @ensoniq2k
    @ensoniq2k 10 месяцев назад +1

    Instant thumbs up for mounting two cameras on the same holder. Better than any comparison with lens change.

  • @henryD9363
    @henryD9363 5 лет назад +16

    Thank you, thank you thank you! You are the first reviewer on RUclips to tackle this topic. You did a really good job in making the comparison. Thanks again.
    I should add It's amazing that of the hundreds of RUclips photography comparison videos I've watched, nobody has ever done an in-body versus optical stabilization comparison. At least never for the Sony. Congratulations and thanks again.

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 года назад

      Can you please recommend me that for a6400 which lenses i must buy. ? Thanks i already has 18-135 kit lens.

  • @leonarddavis8449
    @leonarddavis8449 5 лет назад +120

    Should have been using slow shutter speeds to test the stabilisation for stills.

  • @jaikavi5464
    @jaikavi5464 5 лет назад +52

    Nice to see a comparison between optical and internal stabilisation. Taking this further, it would be helpful to see the comparison for video between either one one these stabilisation functions and both together! Thanks

  • @jeremylavine
    @jeremylavine 5 лет назад +6

    I love this channel and have been looking for more a6400 vs. a6500 comparisons, but for someone trying to decide between these two models, a more helpful comparison would:
    1. Test the same lenses on each body to isolate the effect of IBIS
    2. Test the slowest shutter speed that results in a sharp handheld photo at various focal lengths (especially longer ones) - then calculate approximately how many stops of stabilization IBIS provides by taking log2 of the no-IBIS shutter duration over the IBIS shutter duration
    3. Test handheld video while standing still
    4. (Slightly more niche:) Test on a gimbal while walking. All reviewers are saying to just use a gimbal for video and you don't need IBIS, but gimbals have micro-jitters that IBIS helps with.
    There are a few videos testing these, but nothing super thorough, especially covering longer focal lengths.
    If you cover any of these points as an add-on review, that would be great!
    Would also be very interesting if you covered the claimed color science improvements in the a6400 especially for skin tones, both with AWB and with manual white balance. And of course direct comparison of the eye auto focus and object tracking auto focus modes for both models.
    I've mulled over renting an a6400 and making a video doing such comparisons with my a6500 myself, but I'm sure these review videos are a ton of work to get right.

    • @florawirz7613
      @florawirz7613 5 лет назад

      Jeremy Lavine that would be perfect ! I hope he's gonna see your comment

    • @boxbeatle
      @boxbeatle 2 года назад

      Did you do the comparisons of the a6400 vs a6500? I was shopping for the a6400 when I impulsively purchased a new a6500 body at a really good price. Then I had regrets and purchased the a 6400 body. I’m shopping for a lens now. I hate to test a6500 since it is new, never used and I will have to sell one of these two cameras. I’m driving myself nuts deciding between these two. I need to take in as many good comparisons as I can.

  • @webdaddy
    @webdaddy 5 лет назад +4

    1. There are two Sigma trios - the 2.8 trio and the 1.4 trio
    2. Another channel compared Sony to Panasonic IBIS and Panasonic was much better
    3. My Pixel 2 XL combination of OIS and EIS almost looks like a gimbal shot in video and is much, much better than the Sony A6500 handheld for video.
    4. Continued great videos, thanks for doing the test and for your channel!

    • @HSNG10
      @HSNG10 5 лет назад +1

      Those with small sensors will have better IBIS simply because the sensors are smaller. But if you enlarge the images the ones captured by smaller sensors generally will fall apart compared to those from larger sensors.

    • @viri88
      @viri88 5 лет назад

      Are you really comparing those tiny sensor of pixel with a6500's apsc!? Please don't

  • @brunofalcone9979
    @brunofalcone9979 3 года назад +5

    Please redo the video using lower shutter speeds, it'd be really interesting to know! The idea is to find out how slow the shutter speed can be with both systems, and looking at different focal lengths. Stabilization becomes useful for shutter speeds below the reciprocal rule. People say that OSS is better at longer focal lengths, so you could try at 70, 100, 200, etc. Thanks for your videos, they are very good and unbiased!

  • @floridaofiowaaerialsandpho1440
    @floridaofiowaaerialsandpho1440 5 лет назад +7

    Great comparison. I have personally found IBIS to make a big difference for me as far as photography goes vs OSS. As a landscape guy, I tend to leave my tripod in my vehicle much more often and rely on handheld methods for single shots.

  • @scottwu
    @scottwu 5 лет назад +16

    Thank you so much for this! Would be cool to also see test footage of both IBIS and OSS working together

  • @thomasp5185
    @thomasp5185 5 лет назад +57

    Get this man to 100k! He makes great videos.

  • @bc9am
    @bc9am 5 лет назад +124

    Would be good to see OSS vs IBIS + OSS

    • @utsmanzu0907
      @utsmanzu0907 5 лет назад +18

      look for jason vong video, he compared A6400 vs A6500 video test, with IBIS, OSS, and IBIS+OSS

  • @Conceptx9
    @Conceptx9 5 лет назад +23

    I was waiting for the color science comparison between the a6400 and 6500, thanks!

    • @florawirz7613
      @florawirz7613 5 лет назад +2

      Conceptx9 I would really love to see that !

  • @ThadEGinathom
    @ThadEGinathom 5 лет назад +1

    As an older(ish) guy not having the steadiest hands in the world, I just upgraded from the a6000 to the a6500. IBIS was the main reason. I don't notice the difference with my Sigma 30/1.4 (although there probably would be one if I turn the lights way down) as it was not a problem on the a6000 anyway. I notice the difference on my unstabilised 90mm (an old heavyish Tamron SP). a6000 needed my elbow planted on something solid: with a6500 I can hand-hold.

  • @lkfxfotografiavideo177
    @lkfxfotografiavideo177 5 лет назад +7

    Couldn't have said it better, only camera that is super stable because of IBIS is the Gh5 because sensor is a lot smaller, easier to stabilize, ibis is a better help on non stabilized lenses and on photography not video

  • @MikoTiotangco
    @MikoTiotangco 5 лет назад +18

    Thanks for this! Great video. I’m using an a6500 and i love its ibis a lot.

    • @jelianfilm1434
      @jelianfilm1434 5 лет назад

      Dito ka naman boss. 😁

    • @lostinoc3528
      @lostinoc3528 5 лет назад +4

      Why do you love the Ibis, when this video shows it's useless?

    • @mehul3028
      @mehul3028 3 года назад

      @@lostinoc3528 He has no other option

    • @project-overland
      @project-overland 3 года назад +1

      Ibis is meant for stills work, not video, it’s a common misconception (ps, I am an a6500 owner - use a ronin or slider when needed)

    • @NathanElcoate
      @NathanElcoate 3 года назад

      @@lostinoc3528 Ibis for stills. Makes a huge difference.

  • @larrykay6606
    @larrykay6606 5 лет назад +7

    Tamron VC lenses for the Sony e mount have image stabilization. I had a Tamron Di III VC 18-200mm and the Vibration Control (VC) worked great on my A6000. Steadyshot is simply what Sony calls their lens IS feature.

  • @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy
    @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy 3 года назад +2

    5:51 reading her mind: "Arthur!! take the picture already my face is hurting from holding this smile!!"

  • @JairoCepeda
    @JairoCepeda 5 лет назад +1

    I have noticed a bigger difference when trying to stand still to record video. In that case, OSS is stellar and not having it will result in unpleasant jittery shakes. After all it's called optical STEADY SHOT. I shoot on a A6300. Love your videos, btw.

  • @JohnRichardsonAuthor
    @JohnRichardsonAuthor 5 лет назад +2

    I have a Sony A6300 and I've found that for handheld slow panning video, having a steady shot lens is a definite benefit. That being said, if I wanted to use my A6300 for pro video, I would get a gimbal. My Sigma lenses work very well hand held in low light without IBIS or steady shot if I am cognizant of the shutter speed. Since the trio is very fast, I can shoot at a 30th of a second or better in most situations without exploding the ISO settings. The only camera I've used where in camera stabilization is really useful is my new GoPro 7. It works amazingly well when walking or running. Bottom line, for smooth motion video, get a gimbal or get a Go Pro 7.

  • @Paul_anderson_creative
    @Paul_anderson_creative 5 лет назад +15

    Thanks... But yet again missed opportunity.. PLEASE test some photos at low light, maybe images if church interiors or similar. This aspect is VERY important to so many photographers. Thanks.

    • @BMRTV
      @BMRTV 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah, I'd like to see how slow you can go. IE: 1/2 second hand hold or 1 second? Chris Eyre Walker demonstrated the Oly EM1 II could hand hold well at 2 seconds and even some at 4 seconds.

    • @ralfjansen9118
      @ralfjansen9118 5 лет назад

      Yes, ridiculous... IBIS and OS are, for photographers, important in the dark (long shutter speeds) and with long focal lengths. No advantage in bright sunshine and wide or standard lenses. As Herr said but has not shown.

    • @lostinoc3528
      @lostinoc3528 5 лет назад

      I agree, lots will spend a lot more for ibis, and this video made it seem literally 100% useless.

  • @Migu31m
    @Migu31m 5 лет назад +2

    Love the examples and knowledge you shared in this video. I bought the A6300 and then realized the 6500 came with IBIS and was thinking of upgrading for the sigma trio but thanks to your examples I will keep my 6300.

  • @misreb1
    @misreb1 5 лет назад +1

    I would suggest a rerun of this test using a lens that you can disable OSS on a6500. Take a shot with IBIS on then take the same shot and disable IBIS and have OSS on. The best test is using shutter speed priority and see how far you can reduce the speed. I found that IBIS helps me a lot when using unstabilised telephoto lenses handheld. Best result is combination of both though. I managed to shoot a waterfall at 0.8s shutter speed (for the classical silky smooth water shot) handheld using a6500 with the Sony 18-200 (using both IBIS and OSS)

  • @534daro534
    @534daro534 5 лет назад +7

    YESSSS! I was waiting for this kind of video!

  • @viri88
    @viri88 5 лет назад +49

    Dude, no point in reviewing stabilisation at 1/200 in good daylight! A far better review would be in low light when camera asks for 1/15 or 1/30 or so... Nothing really to take home from this one :( unlike your other videos

    • @onlyonecannoli3952
      @onlyonecannoli3952 5 лет назад +12

      I agree and disagree. First, he should be shooting in Manual. Aperture priority is mostly for people who do not care about controlling their exposure or subject blur. As you saw in this video, the camera can't guess what it is that you are trying to do (at least not yet). So yes, at 1/200, we didn't glean much other than to understand that at faster shutter speeds, IBIS is irrelevant. However, unless you shoot still subjects, without a tripod, in very low light, then IBIS is completely meaningless. IBIS will only help with your motion. At 1/30 or below, if your subject is moving, then you will end up with less than sharp images. So even if you have a 10 stop IBIS or optical steady shot stabilization at your disposal, it will do absolutely nothing for you when taking pictures of a dog or three-year-old running around the house in light that requires you to use 1/30 shutter speed, wide open, at a high ISO. IBIS/OSS is very useful at longer focal lengths when the shutter speed required to subject freeze motion is less than that required to control your own. In those rare circumstances, you would be able to shoot at lower shutter speeds, and thus lower ISO, resulting in a better image. But how often do you shoot at 600mm without a tripod/monopod? So again, IBIS/OSS is nice to have, but not the end all be all in photography.

  • @OLuvin
    @OLuvin 5 лет назад +4

    Really surprised you didn't show us the combo of IBIS + OSS to show the advantage of both working together...

  • @zaddy6960
    @zaddy6960 5 лет назад +2

    You are probably my favorite Sony reviewer. I’ve found that the OSS is a must with my 50mm prime. Tried it without and got micro jitters. I will be purchasing the a6500 successor for its IBIS. I shoot 50/50 pics and videos, so I don’t want to bother with a gimbal, plus I don’t want the extra attention a gimbal would give me.

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 года назад

      So which lens you will prefer for a6400?

  • @utsmanzu0907
    @utsmanzu0907 5 лет назад +5

    for video, when im using sigma 16mm f1.4 with my A6500, if i turn of steadyshot/IBIS, the small jittery is killing me, and it's quite noticeable,
    if i turn on the IBIS, the small jitters become more quite less noticeable, especially when im trying to vlog with my hand,
    for the shake when im using to record video when im walking, it can be eliminated by using warp stabilizer in premiere pro, the result is quite smooth. as long as im not doing some sudden movement e.g running,sudden panning movement etc, otherwise it will result in "jelly" footage after using the warp function in premiere pro.
    personally, the IBIS and OSS in the sony mirrorless camera are geared toward still photography, but not quite for video.
    great example of IBIS implementation can be seen from panasonic mirrorless cameras (GH5, GX85, etc) their implementation of IBIS is quite superior than A6500, and really make video footage appear more smooth. IMHO

  • @kubaskrzypek1547
    @kubaskrzypek1547 3 года назад

    Man, you've just dispeled all my doubts that I have had for last few weeks. You should get The Oscar for that!

  • @CampersInternational
    @CampersInternational 5 лет назад +1

    I used to shoot Fujifilm w/o IBIS and didn't miss it at all. Although a good OSS helps especially at longer focal lengths.
    But if you know, how to use the camera and how to stand, you can easily take pictures at lower shutter speeds. I notice, that people are getting more and more reliable on technology and then complain about bad gear, when they are failing in the principles of photography.
    I always give my students the advise to first learn the basics and principles of photography and then OSS/IBIS will help beyond physics ;-)

  • @Studat
    @Studat 5 лет назад +1

    Sigma lenses with A6500 is a killer combination for low shutter speeds. Ibis is priceless to me.

  • @jeffhalebopp
    @jeffhalebopp 5 лет назад +9

    When using lens stabilization on longer focal lengths especially telephoto, the lens will win because the sensor just can't move far enough. But at normal lengths, it is pretty close either way.

  • @metaler4274
    @metaler4274 5 лет назад +7

    I've got 6400, so this is really informative and helpful to me. Thx for your video.

  • @kimsonpro
    @kimsonpro 5 лет назад

    I also tested this myself, not between the a6300 & a6500, but between the a5000 (yes) with the a7iii. You got it right. I thought the a7iii would totally blow something at atomic scale level out of the a5000. But the damn the result, that goddamn result. OSS is 100% better than IBIS at same shutter speed. I had to crank up ISO in the a7iii body 2.5 times, to increase speed, thus having the same result of stablizing with the a5000 + kit lens. This is crazy. We are all lied to, and brainwashed about IBIS.

  • @maxmeier787
    @maxmeier787 5 лет назад +12

    At 7:38 you say, that you have advantages with IBIS in 1.) low light situation and 2.) with a telephoto lens. But where are the pictures to proove this??? You should do another video and please compare all possible combinations:
    1.) no IBIS + no OSS; 2.) no IBIS + OSS; 3.) IBIS + no OSS; 4.) IBIS + OSS
    Thanks. :-)

  • @Ghazkul666
    @Ghazkul666 5 лет назад +12

    You totally missed the point of ibis. There is no difference with a fast shutter speed especially on non zoom lenses. If you shoot 1/160 or 1/200 with a 30mm then you easily reach the 1/90 required to make a shot steady without stabilization. Try shooting something that is not moving with 1/25 or slower and you will notice the magic of ibis or optical steadyshot

    • @pizzablender
      @pizzablender 5 лет назад +1

      Indeed, or at the end, looking at 1/1600th and trying to see the effect of camera shake and stabilization?

    • @ArthurR
      @ArthurR  5 лет назад +1

      I think that is the point. In most situations you will be shooting handheld at a fast enough shutter speed (esp with a fast lens) that whether or not you have IBIS or OSS doesnt matter. People place too much weight on these things thinking that you HAVE to have one or the other to get sharp images handheld, which isnt true. I did mention that IBIS and OSS really help in low light and with telephoto lenses, which is a follow up test that could be done to measure its effectiveness.

    • @Ghazkul666
      @Ghazkul666 5 лет назад

      @@ArthurR it depends on where you live i guess. From personal preference I don´t have enough sunlight there in Sweden that makes me able to shot with a fast shutter without cranking up the iso. I personally prefer this peace of mind of having IBIS and not have to worry if I was stable enough when I pressed the shutter button. But hey, all this is personal preference ofcoz :) I am more into still photography then video and video shooters should really invest in a gimbal over any IBIS or stable lens design imho :)

    • @Ghazkul666
      @Ghazkul666 5 лет назад

      @@ArthurR no disrespect but you should have done some more research on when IBIS is useful before doing this video. the picture shot with 1/1600th a second is a really bad one. you could have jerked your camera back and forth in high speed and still gotten a sharp picture. no IBIS or similar needed :P

  • @BShane-ji7ln
    @BShane-ji7ln 5 лет назад +1

    Thank you so much for this vid. yes, I just picked up the a 6400 and I was a little concerned about the lack of Ibis but you totally made it clear that it doesn't make a difference, and for video you definitely need a gamble anyway. Thanks dude, I love your videos!

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 года назад

      So which lenses you are using for a6400. Thanks

  • @BizAndProductReviews
    @BizAndProductReviews 2 года назад

    In the first five minutes you said that you had already taken apart a Sony OSS lens and had put it back together, and that you made a video about it. I then proceeded to SUBSCRIBE because that sounds so cool and I can anticipate that you have a lot of really good videos that are likely very interesting. 😃😃👀👀

  • @noisackda2564
    @noisackda2564 5 лет назад +1

    The video I didn't know I wanted. Excellent content Arthur.

  • @DieselPowerLifter
    @DieselPowerLifter 5 лет назад +3

    Before the A6400 review, do OSS + IBIS! The people want to know if there is still value to purchase stabilized if you combine. Thanks in advance!

  • @Mriceman604
    @Mriceman604 5 лет назад +2

    Perfect timing this video came out, was thinking this yesterday n searching

  • @touie98052
    @touie98052 2 года назад

    Thanks for the comparison Arthur. I completely agree with you. There’s a lot of hype about IBIS and Optical Stabilization. People easily get misled and over expect on the word “stabilization” . They expect the same performance for both video and still photography. The real intent for any stabilization really, is for photography and not so much for videography. For videos, it’s always better to use a gimbal because there’s way too much movement for a camera to compensate for (unless you go to a action camera).

  • @tomhsia4354
    @tomhsia4354 5 лет назад +3

    If you love to use manual lenses, I think IBIS is pretty important. Most of the lenses that have OSS are either optically uncompetitive or ludicrously expensive. I've got a dozen lenses, the two Sony lenses sit at the bottom in terms of image quality but account for well over a third of the total cost of my lens collection. I miss being able to routinely handhold down to 1/10s with the SELP1650 and 1/30s with the SEL55210 on the long end (the SEL55210 OSS absolutely rocks, my lowest record is 1/4s at 200mm).

    • @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht
      @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht 7 месяцев назад

      This is it. In that case you're also focusing manually and might as well adapt to a Lumix or Fuji with solid IBIS.

    • @tomhsia4354
      @tomhsia4354 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht Fuji has excellent focus peaking from what I've heard. Sony's is useless, I'm forced to use focus magnification.

    • @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht
      @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomhsia4354 I'm looking into gimbals now and the cheapest PDAF Canon or Sony compromise I can find. Probably M50 II, M6 II or a6400 / a6100.
      My M43 IBIS bodies are great peakers btw.

  • @ASVideo
    @ASVideo 5 лет назад +4

    For a moment at 2:16 I feared that you would touch the sensor to show how it moves😂
    Great video as always💪

  • @thatsginter
    @thatsginter 5 лет назад +1

    IBIS with the Sigma primes for handheld video. I've shot with a6000 & a6300 that have no IBIS with non-stabilized lenses handheld, and ya...no bueno. Gimbles are cool, but more to carry/charge/balance if you like to travel and shoot like me.

    • @DKRacket
      @DKRacket 5 лет назад

      thatsginter for video or photography?

    • @thatsginter
      @thatsginter 5 лет назад

      @@DKRacket Video mainly. The new a6400 without IBIS has a great new autofocusing system though... If you do any handheld video with lenses that don't have steadyshot, use a camera with in body image stabilization (IBIS).

  • @gsnassif
    @gsnassif 2 года назад +1

    You would think that you would do a test with slower shutter speeds, right? I mean comparing photos at 1/1000 isn't benefiting from IBIS or OSS. For example, the test should be handholding the 6600 with a 30mm lens, and a shutter speed less than 1/30th...and taking pics at 200mm, with a shutter speed less than 1/200th. That's when an image will be blurry from camera shake. That's when image stabilization kicks in, whether it be a nikor lens, canon, etc witwh image stabilization tech.

  • @speecher1959
    @speecher1959 5 лет назад +1

    As a Canon Boy, still photographer, I've been very interested in this question. I hear the fuss about IBIS and covet it, and then meanwhile, get great shots without it.

  • @hartsphotography
    @hartsphotography 5 лет назад +2

    Im not sure this is the greatest test. While you do mention that in low light IBIS would be expected to work better you did not test that. Of course good camera craft can over come the need for IBIS but my experience with using both the A6300 and A6500 is that the IBIS certainly makes a difference and is well worth the additional cost.

  • @branimirteodorovic2297
    @branimirteodorovic2297 8 месяцев назад +2

    Using fast shutter speed to test IBIS is pointless. Try to shoot a few stops below reciprocal rule to see if it's effective.

  • @NAM3L3555
    @NAM3L3555 5 лет назад +2

    Maybe the optical it's a bit better but with ibis you can use adapted lenses without stabilization so I think is better have the 2 option than only optical .

  • @spinnito
    @spinnito 5 лет назад +3

    1/60 it's enough to freeze an image in normal handheld mode, you could do the test IBIS vs. OSS comparison lower than that, like 1/50 or 1/40 not 1/200 or 1/1600, sorry for my english.

    • @spinnito
      @spinnito 5 лет назад +2

      @Foto4Max ok But I mean in 1/60 handheld I don't get trepidation in pictures, so lower than that, we can check wich it's better at not getting blurry images

  • @alexandergavrilov2566
    @alexandergavrilov2566 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for another great video! An unrelated request - any chance you would post some tutorial videos? Your pics and videos are amazing. I'd love to learn which settings you use on the camera. I just bought a6500 after watching your channel for a while, and I'd love to learn how to use it better. Yeah, I know, there are other tutorial channels out there. I like your videos though. No-nonsense, to the point, just the right length and great info. Thanks!

  • @AnnainWarsaw
    @AnnainWarsaw 5 лет назад +2

    Thank you! Amazing that you did that comparison. I was thinking if I should sell my a6500 and buy a6400. I need the flip out screen. And you helped me to make the decision. I will get the a6400 for sure. Actually I had really high expectations towards ibis and the camera failed. Picture is so shaky its better to use action cam for vlogging 😂. My new set up will be a6400 plus gimbal.

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 года назад

      Dear Anna after reading your view i also got a6400 instead of a6500, So which lenses you are using for your a6400. What do you recommend to me ?

  • @BestmobilesInUa
    @BestmobilesInUa 5 лет назад +3

    Great video! But how it works on gimbals, what better? And in "handheld panning" IBIS looks much smoother. Thank you!

    • @tomhsia4354
      @tomhsia4354 5 лет назад

      IBIS compensates for sideways rolling motion, which OSS cannot fix.

  • @johndonaldson5126
    @johndonaldson5126 5 лет назад

    Arthur, the rig you used has a lot of mass with the two cameras and the rig itself. That mass acts like a damper dramatically reducing any camera shake. So those cameras are not experiencing the camera shake which they would if they were individually hand held. Try shutter speeds in the 1/20 to 1/60 range too.

  • @sibangjack
    @sibangjack 5 лет назад +7

    I think Sony IBIS wasn't that great if you compared them to Panasonic IBIS because of the larger sensor is more difficult to stabilize than smaller sensor. So yeah you won't see much difference between IBIS and OSS in video.
    But, as you said the good thing about IBIS is that you can get any lenses stabilized and can work in conjunction with OSS. One thing that makes me worry about the footage when moving is the rolling shutter which a6300, a6400, and a6500 have serious rolling shutter.

    • @ethaningoa7461
      @ethaningoa7461 5 лет назад +1

      Less so in FHD tho.. just don't pan quickly..

    • @tomek7855
      @tomek7855 5 лет назад

      smaller sensor? try compare A6500 IBIS with APS C Fuji H1... Sony IBIS= no stabilisation

  • @heinreich3031
    @heinreich3031 5 лет назад

    I bought the a6500 because of IBIS. I also use the old Canon macro EF100 f2.8 without IS (also EF50f1.4 and EF70-200f4). Connected via a cheap adapter manually. Sometimes I can not photograph with tripod and must hold the combination with my hand. Then IBIS is quite helpful. However, I have to set IBIS to manual and enter the focus. (The combination on the MC-11 has turned out to be not as productive and expensive) Nevertheless, I would prefer the original 90mm macro from Sony, because I can not do Focusbracketting with the app available in the WEB. Even one's eyes are not pursued. This corresponds to your already expressed opinion about the use of foreign lenses. But I'm not a millionaire and I have to compromise and be thankful that I can handle it.
    Thanks for the informative test. Incidentally, I expect a firmware update for a6500, after the a6400 outstripped the a6500 in some respects probably, because IBIS probably does not weigh the higher position.
    Heinz

  • @martee999
    @martee999 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks for the video, very well done. As some others have suggested I would like to see the performance in handheld low light between the stabilization methods.(not for video use)
    Thanks again

  • @benmeadows
    @benmeadows Год назад

    This Video was really helpful , i was tempted to get a IBIS body but now will just by a gymbal

  • @ethanHat
    @ethanHat 5 лет назад +6

    Clear Image Zoom vs Cropping in Post, please!

    • @xuyong9719
      @xuyong9719 5 лет назад +6

      Clear image zoom is more clear! From the one camera guy

  • @MoLetalis
    @MoLetalis 3 года назад

    Tbh, these features aren't really developed for video, but photo. If you're shooting video, you should either use a tripod or a gimbal set-up. If you're shooting pics, you'll really start to notice the difference with or without IBIS at really long focal lengths

  • @Pharesm
    @Pharesm 3 года назад

    IBIS + OSS beats IBIS or OSS alone. Second, IBIS and OSS is designed to give you a couple of stops for stills, not to eat the jerk of your foot steps...
    I think its a mistake to summarily ignore mechanical stabilizers for video, since gimbals showed up in the market. They work very well, aren't hard to learn to use.

  • @jetlag1488
    @jetlag1488 3 года назад

    Good video but I really don't like how none of the videos on RUclips about the in body stabilization talk about how it's like using vintage lenses with it, especially for long focal lengths like 50mm, 135mm, 200mm, 400mm etc. Only mention of it you did was in the end when you said that in body stabilization helps out when you're using vintage lenses, but right before that you said that you don't really need image stabilization when using lenses that don't have stabilization in them. So what is it?

  • @onlyonecannoli3952
    @onlyonecannoli3952 5 лет назад

    I would also add that IBIS only matters on unstabilized lenses, when shooting still subjects, without a tripod, at slower than 1/30 shutter speeds...and how often do you run into that situation? Most telephoto lenses have stabilization, so again, not an issue. IBIS is great on Olympus micro 4/3 cameras. It really works great on that system, almost negating the need for a gimbal in many instances. It also allows you to shoot handheld at ridiculously slow shutter speeds. Unfortunately, whether due to the size of the sensor or some other factor, Sony's IBIS is nowhere near as effective. Consequently, I agree with Mafia, IBIS should not be the deciding factor when choosing between the A6400 and A6500.

  •  5 лет назад

    A comparação é interessante, porém a câmera colocada na direita sofre maior interferencia nas tremidas que são no eixo do suporte horizontal. Isso porque o sensor está mais distante do centro da rotação se comparado com a câmera da esquerda que a lente está muito próxima do suporte de mão

  • @markofadljevic1975
    @markofadljevic1975 5 лет назад

    Hi Arthur, great video as always.
    I'm using Sony a6300 mostly for video work and e-mount lenses I have are Sigma 16mm f1.4 and Sigma 30mm f1.4 and both of them are great on stedicam. No IBIS or OSS is needed.
    Third lens I have is Sony 50mm f1.8 OIS that I don't use on stedicam but is great for video shooting on monopod. In manual video mode Sigma 16mm and Sigma 30mm aren't great for use on monopod, Sigma 30mm more than Sigma 16mm, because lack of stabilization and micro jitters can be seen eg. while touching the lens and doing manual focusing. That's the reason why I've picked Sony 50mm f1.8 over the Sigma 56mm f1.4.

  • @jakeohare913
    @jakeohare913 4 года назад

    Came for the OSS/IBIS comparison, stayed for the arboretum cows cameo 🤘🏼

  • @Thunderbird1337
    @Thunderbird1337 5 лет назад

    Sure, you can take the A6400 if you want to use OSS Sony lenses anyway. But the best available APS-C lenses for E-Mount are not from Sony (but from Sigma), that's the problem. Having the IBIS is still much better than having no stabilization at all, also for photography. When I changed from my A6000 to the A6500 I definitely recognized a difference having IBIS, especially in lowlight or with longer focal lengths (50mm +).

  • @johnmakphotography
    @johnmakphotography 5 лет назад

    Good comparison. The thing is, nobody will get a camera without a gimble and start running to record video... except if they live in Jurassic world! :P Of course the footage will be shaky. The whole thing to know in this scenario, is at 8:07 of your video. Someone who doesn't have the a6500 with IBIS, if they still can get decent photos in low light conditions without stabilized lenses. Some might find it easier than others. It depends on what you want to photograph and when (day or at night time). IBIS is a huge thing.. you can mount any lens you want. So, a6500 with IBIS or new real time EyeAF tracking, etc. with the a6400? It is a dilemma... haha

  • @tiagoalmeida653
    @tiagoalmeida653 5 лет назад +2

    Very nice video. Thanks a lot. I'm choosing a6300 for my next camera

  • @emreon3160
    @emreon3160 5 лет назад

    This video should be in high demand ! exactly what i was looking for now that the a6600 released, i won't feel bad that i have the a6400, i am glad to hear that the OSS is close or better than IBIS, and the biggest difference is with a high quality gimble.

  • @lasmyth9656
    @lasmyth9656 5 лет назад

    Definitely if doing vids, spend the extra on a good gimbal, instead of IBIS. As always, your vids are the best, and THANKS so much for that. Not having the interest myself, just personal photography, or the deep pockets, your reviews are .... again, the best. Saved me quite a few THB.
    Love the side by sides in all of them, and the only true way to compare. Opinions backed up with 'visual aids'.....LOL
    THANKS again.

  • @MaDaaBre
    @MaDaaBre 5 лет назад

    Please add a label in corners when comparing shots, I would like to see which side is which camera rather than to wait for you to maybe mention it :) Other than that, keep up! Great videos! ;)

  • @Emiliotakas
    @Emiliotakas 5 лет назад

    When using IBIS have you put in the menu the length of the lens manually as the sigma is not native Sony lens? Also I believe you should compare the IBIS together with the OSS for video and not only for photos on the a6500 as a third option. But remember if you change the lens focal length on IBIS settings you will see a lot of difference.

  • @Kim_Miller
    @Kim_Miller 5 лет назад

    The Sony 70-200 f4 lens switches between two levels of OSS. Position 1 is for normal use where you hold the camera still. Level 2 is for panning. It would be interesting to see how these two systems work.

  • @JWS1968
    @JWS1968 3 года назад

    This video has saved me a lot of money. I was just about to pull the trigger on a A6600 just to get the IBIS and superior image quality. I have a A6300 at the moment and I've been very happy with it as I only shoot video I'm not a photographer. I think I'm happy to stick with the A6300 until I can save for a A7Siii maybe a year from now but I'll get there.

  • @Japhgar
    @Japhgar 5 лет назад +2

    Great comparisson! could you test it in low light? or and telephoto? thats what I am most interested in :D

  • @gigiilmilionario2
    @gigiilmilionario2 5 лет назад +5

    What about ibis with oss lens toghether?

    • @jefftam18
      @jefftam18 5 лет назад

      most likely even worse as both fighting each other

    • @capnshankz3303
      @capnshankz3303 5 лет назад

      Its more stable

  • @junayedarefin623
    @junayedarefin623 5 лет назад +3

    Need to know ... Who produces better colour at profile settings (s log2) ..?

  • @cameron.h.russell
    @cameron.h.russell 13 дней назад

    Any chance you could do a comparison video of stabilization for the new A6700 with native sony 16-55 vs Sigma 18-50? I've heard that the ibis doesn't actually get any better with 'active' stabilization vs standard on the sigma, but it does with the sony - or maybe you already know the answer and can confirm that the sony will provide better ibis on the active setting.

  • @colind8245
    @colind8245 3 года назад

    Your right, the a6500 is nice for video, but even combining the ibis and the oss lenses, there is so much rolling shutter hand held is nearly impossible, even with a gimbal you have to perfect your walk to reduce the bumps. There’s no perfect consumer camera, there’s always a trade off.

  • @UncompressedWAVmusic
    @UncompressedWAVmusic 3 года назад

    I'm using a Sony A7 mach 1 so this video was helpful very well done Arthur.

  • @sergeycash
    @sergeycash 5 лет назад +1

    It would be great to see comparison IBIS+OSS versus OSS only

  • @stevenguzy1055
    @stevenguzy1055 2 года назад +1

    Love your videos! My question. What about OSS lenses in conjunction with IBIS? You touched on it but didn't really give a result. Personally, for photography, any stabilization is helpful. I don't shoot video so I would like to know how OSS on say an a6000 compares to an OSS lens on the a6500 working in conjunction with IBIS.

  • @maciekkk123
    @maciekkk123 5 лет назад +1

    What if you use in body stabilization + lenses with stabilization for video filming during movement? eg. walking ..

    • @i-m-alien
      @i-m-alien 5 лет назад +1

      you will get milk shakey footage

    • @maciekkk123
      @maciekkk123 5 лет назад

      @@i-m-alien Mostly smooth and bit slightly shaken? :) or mostly shaken?

  • @martinwolf2619
    @martinwolf2619 5 лет назад +1

    Hi Arthur, which gimbal do you recommend for the Sony 6x00? Unfortunately the small Crane M is discontinued. Thanks and finger crossed for 100k

  • @DaphneIkingOfficial
    @DaphneIkingOfficial 5 лет назад +1

    thank u so much for this review!

  • @TravelMinds
    @TravelMinds 5 лет назад +1

    Great video!! If you use an oss lens with ibis makes a differences?

  • @gigiilmilionario2
    @gigiilmilionario2 5 лет назад +1

    What about in low light? You set a shorter shutter speed on the a6400.

  • @TomJoeSHOW
    @TomJoeSHOW 5 лет назад

    This is where the gh5 shines!

  • @zw2237
    @zw2237 5 лет назад

    Excellent job, as always. I have been wondering about this sort of thing.

  • @caseybachmeyer
    @caseybachmeyer 4 года назад

    thanks man..this was really helpful

  • @AlexBaeckmannNLM
    @AlexBaeckmannNLM 5 лет назад +1

    Arthur! Putting on a little dad-weight? Haha you and the family look great :)

  • @phokjiouh59
    @phokjiouh59 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks! You just saved me from spending at least 500€ on an upgrade that won't perform as good as I thought it would.

  • @streetlegends
    @streetlegends 5 лет назад

    Great video. Im actually surprised. I did not know that OSS does such a good job.

  • @kevmaninc201
    @kevmaninc201 3 года назад

    Very Informative Videos. Great job!!!!!!!!

  • @breezekiteboarding884
    @breezekiteboarding884 3 года назад

    Thanks so much for this video, helped a lot with my purchasing choice. You ROCK!!!

  • @RockyColaFizz
    @RockyColaFizz 5 лет назад

    Weird, I though the IBIS one was much better. The OSS was quite worse and warpy, and the rolling shutter was even more pronounced. My G9 doesn't focus quite as well, although its pretty darn good, but the IBIS on it is so so good. I can really see the differences between it and these options.

  • @sam-lg
    @sam-lg 5 лет назад +2

    I think this day's better stabilization have in smartphones camera