I can confirm, that the RF 70-200mm F/2.8 IS USM Z works fully with the R5 C. I didn't see any issues before I upgraded the firmware, but I think I mostly used it on the R5 Mk II, after I got it.
I just updated the firmware and I thought I was getting some feature about the dual pixel AF. I'm pretty sure it was just compatibility added with one of their cinema lens.
Well, with the limits being lifted for the LP-E6P packs, I might have more of an excuse to play with 8K60 since I don't need to rig it up anymore to get that working at all (I won't get a RSI the moment I look at the damned thing in the old "debatably portable 8K60" rig since I can just take it with me without the rig). Now someone needs to make a multi bay charger that will actually work with the LP-E6P packs (my old LP-E6NH 4 bay charger, which works fine with old packs, will just refuse to charge on two of the ports when it has two or more LP-E6P packs in it, and I only found this out *after* I bought five of these LP-E6P packs 🤣).
Based on the math that I've done, as best as I can figure it's because the R5C's sensor cannot capture enough dynamic range to warrant the decreased precision that comes from the format's log curve (nor can it write 12-bit compressed files either). Remember, all log formats are just lossy compression. They all are designed to cram more dynamic range into fewer bits than a equivalent linear file. The more dynamic range they're designed to compress, the greater the losses in precision in any given stop. Clog2 is designed to encode 18+ stops of DR. The R5C's sensor, due to the 12-bit ADCs in video mode, is hard limited to 12-stops (and lossy files, which are the only ones to use the log curves, are limited to 10-bits). Both clog (15+ stops) and clog3 (16+stops) are more than capable of supporting that, and their increased precision in the mid tones compared to clog2 is better for 10-bit files. So far as I can tell, Clog2 only makes sense on cameras that can actually capture >15 or 16 stops (like the C300-3 or C70) or cameras that can write 12-bit compressed files. Neither of which the R5C can do.
this is not the worst,the worst is photo mode can use bluetooth but video mode can not using bluetooth, very anoying while in video mode and can not link with dji 3 pro,f
@@jaylee2656I also can’t believe this hasn’t been corrected in 2024. Not enough people talking about this! I also have RS3 and only way still is to use the HDMI splitter, N3 cable or £1000 WiFi grip.
Do you think they’ll ever add uncropped 6K/4K SRAW support, i thought with the fan and processor this might be achievable but not something I hear people talk about very often. Be great to see this in future firmware!
I don't think we'll see that in the R5C, and I'm dubious that it would make the cut on an R5C mark 2 (assuming there is one), at least not as long as the cinema camera team is behind the software and overall design or until there's a big change in the post production software environment that can handle aliasing artifacts properly.
Do you happen to have a link to the lens compatibility list for the R5c? I can't finds it anywhere. (Specifically, I'm trying to see if the Compact-Servo 18-80 lens's compatibility has been addressed in this or past updates). Thanks in advance!
The table you're looking for is on pages 242 and 243 in the manual. According to the manual released with 1.0.9.1. According to the tables, the CN-E 18-80mm T4.4 L IS KAS S it's fully compatible with camera iris control, camera zoom control and autofocus.
I haven't even tried it yet. It's on my to do list to dig into, but Canon dropped this so close to Christmas and my end of the year break that aside from getting the video out I really haven't dug into anything yet.
helo thanks for your content! i have a problem big problem i cant update de firmware to 1.7.1 a 1.9.1 i tried all the things change the cart format de cart but no opcion
Just to double check, you put the firmware on an SD card and are using that to update the camera? The R5C will not detect a firmware update if it's on the CF Express card at all.
Hey I have a big problem after this update. When I use Power delivery I can`t change Sensor Mode and Media Size. Is not available just only with Power delivery?? Some help?
PD shouldn't (and doesn't at least on my camera) block changing the sensor mode or media size. My suspension is that you've actually got a setting somewhere that's preventing that (something that got reset in the firmware update) but I'm at a loss at the moment as to what setting that could be. About the only thing I can think of off the top fo my head is that you could backup your camera's settings and reset it to factory defaults and see if it's still happening. If it is, then you may have to get in touch with Canon support about that. Though if I think of something else that could also be the problem, I'll post back.
Unfortunately, it sounds like you're going to have to get in touch with Canon to get that fixed. If it was a failed flash, then you'll likely have to send it in to have it fixed.
I can see there are still 3 major updates coming next year, 1.improve 4K60 video quality，as for now the 4k60 is really disappointing compare to 4K30; 2. autofocus upgrade to dualpixel gen2, now that C80 which use a digic7 processor can do it i don't see why R5C can't; 3.gyrodata for post stabilization, blackmagic already update their old models to get it, I don't see why canon can't . Still it's really good canon finally uncrippled 8K60 with a new battery. For WIFI and bluetooth, sadly I think canon won't unlock this because they have a wifi grip to sell.
Re. 1: I don't see any difference in quality between 40K60 and 4K30, and both are down sampled as far as I can tell. So I'm not sure what difference you're seeing that's making "4k60 really disappointing..." Re. 2: The camera already is DPAF II (and always has been). That tech was inherited from the R5. Not sure why it's taken so long for the other cinema cameras to get it though. Re. 3: That would be nice. But Canon doesn't read the comments on random RUclips channels, and I'm nether a Canon employee, brand ambassador or explorer of light. In other words, I have precisely 0 influence on anything they do. So if you want gyrodata, I would recommend bringing it up with every Canon rep and employee you talk to. d.) WiFi….. To start with, the built in WiFi is not very good. I wouldn’t trust it in a professional environment, given it’s performance with direct line of site to enterprise grade APs with nothing else going on. I've tested this, and have a series of videos on it. The grips themselves aren’t great for Canon either, I don't know why everyone assumes they're such a money maker or something. They’re expensive because they’re a very low volume part that’s comparatively expensive to build (machined Mg). They likely exist only because of the limitations of the internal chip/setup in high performance applications. My guess is that Canon barely breaks even on the WiFi grips when you factor in the engineering, certification and tooling costs. That said, while I’m sure it could be enabled, my guess is that Canon’s professional conservatism is stopping that. Canon has always been more conservative when it comes to disabling features that don’t fully function than most other companies. If they can’t deliver a low latency full HD feed over WiFi that can actually be used for monitoring in a professional environment, they’re likely not going to enable WiFi at all. FWIW, it seems to me that the cinema team continues to maintain that philosophy even though it’s clearly relaxed in some respects on the consumer camera side. So no, I don’t see the internal WiFi getting enabled ever on the R5C. It will take a new camera with a better WiFi implementation that can support professional users before that happens.
@@PointsInFocus R5C 4K60 is better than R5 4k60, worse than R5C S35 4k, much worse than SONY 6700 4k60. It's pixel binning with some heavy handed sharpness enhancement, looks bad. The only way to get a good 4K60 out of R5C is 8K60 or s35 4K60.
Thank you so much! Little correction, if I may: canon anamorphic support is 1.3, 1.8, 2.0. They do not have 1.6.
Good catch. Thanks!
The first place I came after the update. Tremendously helpful and informative as always!
Appreciate your methodical and honest approach to explaining these updates & features! 💯👍
I bought this body specifically for its 8k60 capabilities and couldn’t be happier with this upgrade. 🎉
You know more about how the R5C works than a Canon tech. So informative.
Thanks for sharing! Appreciate the breakdown
thanks a bunch i love your vids saves so much time understanding the cam !
I can confirm, that the RF 70-200mm F/2.8 IS USM Z works fully with the R5 C. I didn't see any issues before I upgraded the firmware, but I think I mostly used it on the R5 Mk II, after I got it.
I cant believe Bluetooth hasn't been added to the video mode!!
Thank you for sharing the update!
10:00 great update overall, not complaining , but 1.5x this would of been a nice feature.
I just updated the firmware and I thought I was getting some feature about the dual pixel AF. I'm pretty sure it was just compatibility added with one of their cinema lens.
I really, really want LUT preview on playback. Wild we still don’t have that.
Hell yeah! 🤘 Thank you for this!
Totally unacceptable this valued youtuber hasnt reached 10k Subcribers.
Thanks for the info!
no eye foucs traking in s&f modes ??
Well, with the limits being lifted for the LP-E6P packs, I might have more of an excuse to play with 8K60 since I don't need to rig it up anymore to get that working at all (I won't get a RSI the moment I look at the damned thing in the old "debatably portable 8K60" rig since I can just take it with me without the rig).
Now someone needs to make a multi bay charger that will actually work with the LP-E6P packs (my old LP-E6NH 4 bay charger, which works fine with old packs, will just refuse to charge on two of the ports when it has two or more LP-E6P packs in it, and I only found this out *after* I bought five of these LP-E6P packs 🤣).
I am disappointed that they did not add CLog2 support! Any idea why?
Based on the math that I've done, as best as I can figure it's because the R5C's sensor cannot capture enough dynamic range to warrant the decreased precision that comes from the format's log curve (nor can it write 12-bit compressed files either).
Remember, all log formats are just lossy compression. They all are designed to cram more dynamic range into fewer bits than a equivalent linear file. The more dynamic range they're designed to compress, the greater the losses in precision in any given stop.
Clog2 is designed to encode 18+ stops of DR. The R5C's sensor, due to the 12-bit ADCs in video mode, is hard limited to 12-stops (and lossy files, which are the only ones to use the log curves, are limited to 10-bits). Both clog (15+ stops) and clog3 (16+stops) are more than capable of supporting that, and their increased precision in the mid tones compared to clog2 is better for 10-bit files.
So far as I can tell, Clog2 only makes sense on cameras that can actually capture >15 or 16 stops (like the C300-3 or C70) or cameras that can write 12-bit compressed files. Neither of which the R5C can do.
@@PointsInFocus Thank you so much for the explanation.
this is not the worst,the worst is photo mode can use bluetooth but video mode can not using bluetooth, very anoying while in video mode and can not link with dji 3 pro,f
R5C will never get clog2 just accept it
@@jaylee2656I also can’t believe this hasn’t been corrected in 2024. Not enough people talking about this! I also have RS3 and only way still is to use the HDMI splitter, N3 cable or £1000 WiFi grip.
we still badly need wifi in cine os + gyrodata for gyroflow for me canon still not listening to users sadly
Yeah, because other brands have exactly the same camera and wifi + gyrodata :)
It doesn't sound like you are in the target demographics?
@@vladimirtalijan wym ? the gyro is actually on the camera, pretty mutch every other brands allow users to get gyrodata starting by the big S
@@ziggggy53ify wym ?
Do you think they’ll ever add uncropped 6K/4K SRAW support, i thought with the fan and processor this might be achievable but not something I hear people talk about very often. Be great to see this in future firmware!
I don't think we'll see that in the R5C, and I'm dubious that it would make the cut on an R5C mark 2 (assuming there is one), at least not as long as the cinema camera team is behind the software and overall design or until there's a big change in the post production software environment that can handle aliasing artifacts properly.
Thank u so much
Do you happen to have a link to the lens compatibility list for the R5c? I can't finds it anywhere. (Specifically, I'm trying to see if the Compact-Servo 18-80 lens's compatibility has been addressed in this or past updates). Thanks in advance!
The table you're looking for is on pages 242 and 243 in the manual. According to the manual released with 1.0.9.1. According to the tables, the CN-E 18-80mm T4.4 L IS KAS S it's fully compatible with camera iris control, camera zoom control and autofocus.
@@PointsInFocus Much obliged!
Thanks good info
What is your opinion about motion vector Mode?
I haven't even tried it yet. It's on my to do list to dig into, but Canon dropped this so close to Christmas and my end of the year break that aside from getting the video out I really haven't dug into anything yet.
does the af dragging work also in the s&m mode ??
Yes, it works anywhere you have either an AF frame or the manual focus guide.
helo thanks for your content! i have a problem big problem i cant update de firmware to 1.7.1 a 1.9.1 i tried all the things change the cart format de cart but no opcion
Just to double check, you put the firmware on an SD card and are using that to update the camera? The R5C will not detect a firmware update if it's on the CF Express card at all.
Hey I have a big problem after this update. When I use Power delivery I can`t change Sensor Mode and Media Size. Is not available just only with Power delivery?? Some help?
Battery intern is LP-E6NH and extern smallrig 99. Maybe I need the new Batterie LP-E6P?
PD shouldn't (and doesn't at least on my camera) block changing the sensor mode or media size. My suspension is that you've actually got a setting somewhere that's preventing that (something that got reset in the firmware update) but I'm at a loss at the moment as to what setting that could be.
About the only thing I can think of off the top fo my head is that you could backup your camera's settings and reset it to factory defaults and see if it's still happening. If it is, then you may have to get in touch with Canon support about that. Though if I think of something else that could also be the problem, I'll post back.
Hi you right. I reset the Factory defaults and it works. When I load the old settings from the SD Card I have the same problem again. Thanks
Do you know what can I do? I was updating the camera (battery fully charge) and the camera just turn off and now It does not turn on.
Unfortunately, it sounds like you're going to have to get in touch with Canon to get that fixed. If it was a failed flash, then you'll likely have to send it in to have it fixed.
Nice
I think it´s a big mistake when they decide don´t including a 1.5x anamorphic desqueeze on this update 👎
for sure new R5c is on the way. Thats why they to sell all the r5c stocs
I hope so. But then again the current R5C does everything I need.
Yes, just except for clog2
I can see there are still 3 major updates coming next year, 1.improve 4K60 video quality，as for now the 4k60 is really disappointing compare to 4K30; 2. autofocus upgrade to dualpixel gen2, now that C80 which use a digic7 processor can do it i don't see why R5C can't; 3.gyrodata for post stabilization, blackmagic already update their old models to get it, I don't see why canon can't . Still it's really good canon finally uncrippled 8K60 with a new battery. For WIFI and bluetooth, sadly I think canon won't unlock this because they have a wifi grip to sell.
Re. 1: I don't see any difference in quality between 40K60 and 4K30, and both are down sampled as far as I can tell. So I'm not sure what difference you're seeing that's making "4k60 really disappointing..."
Re. 2: The camera already is DPAF II (and always has been). That tech was inherited from the R5. Not sure why it's taken so long for the other cinema cameras to get it though.
Re. 3: That would be nice. But Canon doesn't read the comments on random RUclips channels, and I'm nether a Canon employee, brand ambassador or explorer of light. In other words, I have precisely 0 influence on anything they do. So if you want gyrodata, I would recommend bringing it up with every Canon rep and employee you talk to.
d.) WiFi….. To start with, the built in WiFi is not very good. I wouldn’t trust it in a professional environment, given it’s performance with direct line of site to enterprise grade APs with nothing else going on. I've tested this, and have a series of videos on it.
The grips themselves aren’t great for Canon either, I don't know why everyone assumes they're such a money maker or something. They’re expensive because they’re a very low volume part that’s comparatively expensive to build (machined Mg). They likely exist only because of the limitations of the internal chip/setup in high performance applications. My guess is that Canon barely breaks even on the WiFi grips when you factor in the engineering, certification and tooling costs.
That said, while I’m sure it could be enabled, my guess is that Canon’s professional conservatism is stopping that. Canon has always been more conservative when it comes to disabling features that don’t fully function than most other companies. If they can’t deliver a low latency full HD feed over WiFi that can actually be used for monitoring in a professional environment, they’re likely not going to enable WiFi at all.
FWIW, it seems to me that the cinema team continues to maintain that philosophy even though it’s clearly relaxed in some respects on the consumer camera side.
So no, I don’t see the internal WiFi getting enabled ever on the R5C. It will take a new camera with a better WiFi implementation that can support professional users before that happens.
@@PointsInFocus R5C 4K60 is better than R5 4k60, worse than R5C S35 4k, much worse than SONY 6700 4k60. It's pixel binning with some heavy handed sharpness enhancement, looks bad. The only way to get a good 4K60 out of R5C is 8K60 or s35 4K60.
i just want clog2 is that too much too ask for? Canon sucks