Probably the worst reviewer on the internet - extremely biased towards dull BMWs and comes over as the sort of mealie mouthed Pom one finds at a local council meeting. 不喜欢
Actually he is totally unbiased and is an excellent reviewer and is my go to if I'm thinking of a change of motorcycle, although I can't see past Triumph hence its been Hinckley Triples for 30+ years😊
Great bikes. Rode my tubeless version around the Picos in Spain off-road and then back through France to St Malo. Coped with it all with aplomb.Great off-road but still sat at 80 mph on short blast on autoroute.Averaged 77 mpg over 1200 miles.
Also , fuel range is about 280 miles to empty . The nav app is brilliant but phone must be left unlocked . Turned down screen brightness and plugged in to power bank in tank bag , it was fine on an 8 hour day . I’m sure they’ll update this minor flaw but the navigation is much better than something like the Garmin Motorize on Yamahas and that ain’t free either . The Himmy 450 is a brilliant bike . Two up touring is about all it can’t do.
@@magaudion great feedback and good to know! I'll be taking spare tubes as a backup to install in case rims get dinged and don't seal as well as tubeless repair.
These bikes just started to arrive in the USA. I live in Seattle. Put down my deposit and will be getting the black with tubeless tyres. The version you had was the fully spec'd bike with the adventure screen and tubeless tyres. I plan to ride it across the trans America trail next year and then ship to the UK and then on to Europe and hopefully beyond if me old 66 year old body can take it!
Have the black/gold one in my garage now for 2 months, absolutely love it! 2 items to include in the long term review: 1 you can adjust the seat height by moving the bars underneath, and 2 it runs almost 100 MPG 😂
@@wltrlg The adjustability of seat height is such a great feature, all other bike manufacturers should be ashamed for not having it. Of course they make more money selling optional seats!
Maturing as a motorcyclist teaches you that going fast on a small bike is more fun than going fast on a big powerful bike. After over 30 years of riding I've learnt this lesson😅
@@craigbutler3378 going fast on a slow bike is also a lot more fun than going slow on a fast bike which is what happens to most people who think they are Rossi until they get on a bike that far exceeds their capabilities and costs a ton of money.
great review. I bought my first Himalayan based on one of your reviews. I'm no looker so felt it was inkeeping with the bike. Absolutely loved it. Only thing I really wanted was a bit more power for the longer bits of road. This seems to address that nicely. Well done RE
Brilliant down-to-earth review, covering all the practical stuff that potential buyers would be interested in. I think the car-park turning circle is a simple yet genius feature of your reviews! It was you who did the donuts wasn’t it, Andy, own up! Great stuff, as ever. Love how you pin the trolls to the naughty-step, too - very cool.
I disagree with the judgement of the looks with you. 🤗 The more I look at the 452, the more I like it. It reminds me of the bikes I was drooling about as kid. The arch in the chassis and the top line over the tank to the seat reminds me of the Yamaha XT 500 a lot, a really good looking classic enduro. The bigger tank and more chunky overall appearance make the Himie look robust to me. I like the Himie's looks much better than any of the other contemporary enduros I know, actually.
I agree, one of the best looking bikes these days. It has a timeless character, conveys a feel of ruggedness and a serious, grown up, no-nonsense bike. I might be getting old but many modern bikes seem like out of a comic, designed for 12 year olds.
@@2Gales They look like anime-Monsters. Alien robot-insect faces. Yepp. It seems the designers are stuck in the recent 20 years of Sci-Fi films with their ideas about what a machine should look. Same with sports bikes: Gone are the elegant aerodynamically swept shapes that credibly looked like anyone with a clue of the science behind the design had a word in them.
I think it’s a very good around town utility bike not bothered by high kerbs or gutters. Easy to park. I’d definitely get one with a top box and larger screen for better wind protection.
I had a Himalayan 411 along side my Interceptor and moved them both on and bought the Himalayan 450 at the beginning of June. Very pleased with it and the engine gets better with more miles. The screen on your demonstrater is the RE optional higher screen and I have one and agree with you it's not really any good. I will probably refit the standard shorter screen.
Great 👍 review mate , You always do quality reviews. A bike I have test ridden myself and will say the Indian Manufacturer certainly is always original in design and style ( love it or hate it ) but at least they don’t “ copy and paste “ like some other unnamed country of origin brands .
While they might not be as good as lots of other machines, the price, for what you are getting is astonishing. And unlike the Chinese invasion of cars and bikes, they have a fair few dealers and spare’s availability is as good as most other manufacturers.
Probably the best reviewer on the Internet. I had a go on one of these, having the 411 on the fleet as a winter hack. I agree with all your observations. The screen is bad, from a turbulence perspective on both bikes. In the end I binned mine on the 411. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Adventure bike so not for me but the roadster version, the Guerrilla, now that does appeal and is done in some great colours. To me that's a far more serious bike than the Triumph and the new RE engine is even better in the roadster version.
'Can you live with the looks of the bike' , ... this is a pretty good looking bike IMO. It looks different than other ADVs with their literal body-shield in front and all Dakar like.
A very decent bike Andy. Affordable bikes will save motorcycling, offer good bikes and newer riders will snap them up, along with people wanting the simple pleasure of two wheels 👍🏻
I test rode one and really liked it, so much nicer around the Cornish lanes than my GSA. I was about to put down a deposit until the CF 450 turned up. Only thing holding me up there is waiting to see if the long awaited Cornish dealer is confirmed.
I still love the 411 & the last version with the improvements over the first, is the one to go for. Indeed, the last version of any bike is the one. Let's not forget the amount of world tours the 411 has done in various hands...quite amazing & I personally feel R.E ought to have kept it going, along with the new 452 under a different name.
Having a 411 and a 450 single cylinder adv bike from the same manufacturer would not have made business sense. Especially when one is vastly improved over the other.
@@thepodbaydoorshal I disagree... It's because of the huge worldwide following of the 411 I say this. Japanese manufacturers have openly said they made mistakes in discontinuing certain models in favour for what they've seen as a better product..& it's those past products that are hankered after. I've both the 411 & 450 & there's definitely room for both bikes & now for slightly different reasons. The 411 could have remained, especially as the last model was improved to a final point. The 450 could have been the Himalayan Mark2? Imagine how now the number of sales RE will be losing out to other brands, to first time riders, to elderly riders & anyone else who wants that basic lower power bike, that is so so easy to live with & maintain. The 450 is a worse bike in these ways & dealer servicing is/will be the only way for most. Not so for the humble 411.
@@keepitreal1547 Unless there’s a significant price gap I don’t see why first time buyers will pick the 411 over the 450. On top of that they would have to keep the 411 production line going which is an extra cost. Most 411 owners will upgrade to the 450 after a while and most new riders will want the bike that they can grow into and won’t feel they’ve outgrown after a few months. You have to see that your opinion, while it has some merit due to you having both bikes, is still an outlier in the context of good business. Those Japanese brands you mentioned who canned beloved models may regret it now but there are more things to consider when it comes to replacing a model than the opinions of purists. Emissions is one. Safety is another as well as economy. Replacing a model isn’t the problem, doing it the right way is the issue. By all accounts RE have gotten this right so there’s no need to keep the old model hanging around. They’ve done so successfully with their 350 classic/bullet range as well.
Hey Flyer - I have this bike in the same white camo, I am not generally a fan of black bikes, and with tubeless wheels you only have two colour options. You have the comfort seat on the demo. The mirrors seem to be self adjusting on mine when I give it the beans to the rev limiter on 9k. I find the footpegs do have a bit of vibration around 70mph which is noticeable on a motorway run, but it is liveable. I find it to be a really comfortable bike with plush sharp handling and enough poke to make it fun. I think you got the assessment pretty much spot on there 🙂
when noraly and her two twin sisters can go three up on this bike with cases and all then it will be somthing for me too. 450cc is just not enough for us large blokes :) but for small framed adventurers its certainly a rugged solid bike choice!
Another great and balanced review, I just made a brew am about to head out for a test ride on one of these so your posting was perfectly timed as I enjoy my brew and get ready to try it out for myself.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Well, I can confirm I absolutely loved it. I have talked numbers with the dealer, a final decision has not been made as yet, but watch this space. A new Himi 450 fan is born..! (I mention you and link to your video too).
Morning Andy, I think the Himalayan 411 does have a cult following. Nathan Millwood who runs Dorothy’s Speedshop and leads off road long distance tours described it as the best travel bike you could buy due to its balance of off road and on road capability and luggage carrying ability together with its simplicity and low cost. The new one is a lot more powerful but has lost some of the low down chugability of the 411 combined with carrying its weight higher up. This makes it less able off road than the old bike although it’s very capable on road. Finally if you think the new Himalayan handles well on road, try the Guerrilla. The smaller front wheel makes it even more nimble. BTW I’m enjoying my new Kawasaki Eliminator 500SE tremendously, it’s a good handling nimble sports cruiser. You should try and get one for review, I think it would surprise you.
Loads better than the old one in my eyes and in the black and gold it actually looks quite smart. I really do hope you get a ride on the new Guerrilla which has the same engine as I think you'll like it. I know they said its not aimed at people your age but thats rubbish. Lots of older people will buy them. Anyway good review as always 👍
A dealer employee gave me some advice when I complained about the weight when muscling it upright off the leaning sidestand position. first of all make sure wheel is pointing straight ahead as possible , move the handlebars on the right hand bar end and gently pull the bike straight. it worked well, have tried the technique on my transalpine also …so basically dont push from left side of your body and handlebars , but tug from the right hand side of handlebar and body . i think what iam saying is accurate , but the employee knew how to do it perfectly.
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes you could be right ,when possible ...the other point however is I used to hoof my bikes from the gear shifter side, to take a bike off its sidestand , but after being shown , find it easier to do the afore mentioned from pulling from the end of the throttle bar, little body effort needed.
Thank you Andy for another great review! I’m in the hunt for an adventure bike to share the garage with my Triumph T120. I’ve looked at so many and I believe the new Africa Twin is on the top of my list for 2025. It is however very interesting seeing what’s new out there and I love that Royal Enfield can be had for a much lower price for the budget minded. It looks to be a quality machine! Cheers from New York
Really enjoyed this review . Nice witty detail and honesty on a bike priced against a Honda CRF. Quite attractive in black and yellow - like the original GS colours. 🏍️🙏👊
RE are nailing all their projects off late. Looking forward for the RE Guerrilla review. Same Sherpa engine but more road focused. Looking forward to your thoughts on that
@@TheMissendenFlyer wow. A bit below the belt . Are they saying your not a spring chicken anymore? Lol. Rude much. I didn't know 2 wheels came with an age bracket. Maybe the worried about your experience opinion too much 😋. Keep up the good work and always stay blessed. Big time follower.
Great review of a bike I was very interested in until the Triumph speed 400 came on the scene. Luckily, or unfortunately, for me it could be upto another year before I'm back on a bike, so I have plenty reasons to go to a dealer and look at my next set of two wheels. The Himalayan certainly looks a great improvement.
I just rode one around the Himalayas for a couple of weeks and wasn’t a big fan for the first couple of days but then it just grew on me. I had the black & yellow version with gold wheels and love the styling, though not sure about the boxy looking panniers. I was riding on very mixed roads and achieved a mpg equivalent of 113. Staggeringly frugal. Am thinking about changing my 2019 Bullet for one of these.
I think it looks pretty sweet. Surprised you didn't like the looks. Also, I'm sure you heard this in the comments before. But you should shoot at 60fps and not 50 to get rid of the flickering on the TFT screens.
@@toowheela2111 hmm..not sure about that as it depends on the refresh rate of the tft, and not the power supply. If the tft refreshes at multiples of the recording rate then no flicker. If it doesn't then there will be flicker.
Good review, looks like big improvement on last model. I personally like the look of the bike, and you get a lot for your money, less than 6k 😊. Also for that price you’re not buying into every gizmos, and quality that money can buy , such as top brands you sometimes compare too. Overall a fair review 👍
You never remember that you need the engine running on a RE before the headlight comes on! 😅 you'll have to hurry up and try and get a ride on the guerrilla 450 so you can compare... one of the most comfortable bikes I've ever sat on!
@@TheMissendenFlyer that's a very short sighted attitude from RE imo, surely the Guerilla is aimed at the Triumph 400 potential buyers and I believe a large majority of these are mature riders. I am over 60 and looking at the 400/400x for next year, now with the Guerilla being released I will have to see how they stack up against each other.
RE are currently knocking it out the park at the moment with simple usable bikes. Watching your vid on a 65 inch OLED, the on bike footage is SO much better than previously. What’s the camera setup now and are you using D-LOG and colour correction now, or straight out the camera?
looks like big improvement on last model. I personally like the look of the bike, and you get a lot for your money, less than 6k 😊. Also for that price you’re not buying into every gizmos, and quality that money can buy , such as top brands you sometimes compare too. Overall a good review 👍
Great review .. Much improved bike .. When you look at the price it makes me question my decision on paying £25k in May for my R1300GS TE 719 Option !!! And I now wont see the full BMW luggage until next year following them being completely redesigned for the second time !!!!!!
Hi Andy … Been told they redesigned it once but field trials were not good so they redesigned it for a second time and in field trials now !!!! I have been offered an official soft topbox which is nice but it’s on back order and sold out !!!! So advised luggage should arrive some time in the new year .. I have to say it’s disappointing…
Check out some of the factory/dealer options. Bigger screen, different seat few other items. I take pride in the looks of my machines and I know you do as well, however that's a rider, not so much a looker. Utilitarian is correct. All good
I'm in the US and patiently waiting on the exact bikes sans hard luggage. For reference, I owned a 2020 GS, and much prefer the new Himalayan. I look forward to many adventures to come.
Great review (Hanle black Himalayan tubeless owner,, biased?) and just completed the first 300 miles running in and now have the 'jump' from 4000rpm to 6000rpm until 1200 miles (up from 50mph max to 70mph)which seems to be when these engines will be much better. I agree the sidestand drops too far, even with an enlarger which only just clears the mainstand, so when fully loaded, even with soft bags it will be a 'heave' to get upright. Will probably change to adjustable hand levers, also fit smaller valve stems as they are too long on the tubeless where the spokes make pressure check awkward. Everything else, quaity, build, gearbox, engine operation is as good as you found, even got 99.9mpg on display while running in. Missed out on a few trips this year due to late arrival (tubeless version ordered last november) but well worth the wait so far.
@@Rayraysplums Black Tubeless was registered for me on 8th august 2 days after it was delievered and first service pre-booked BUT dealership was so busy the next 'first service vacancy' was last week so had to restrict the mileage. First service now done, bike getting better, running through the revs very well and looking forward to finish the 1200 mile stage. Those reports on engine vibrations (not this one) seemed to have been on low mileage test rides, many under the first 300 miles but I have had no issues. The sidestand looks like a design problem - a longer sidestand would hit the mainstand so it would need a new mainstand, possibly move the leveage point your foot presses down onto give more clearnace. The rest of the bike looks good and much better in this colour, very light, nimble to ride. I was offered the other 'tubeless variant' about a few weeks earlier than this but only wanted the black version which seems to have been the last to arrive here in uk.
Another enjoyable bike review. RE make some nice looking bikes, nice retro looks. Good pricing on all the models. I wonder how the second hand valves will be after a few years of riding.
Nice to see the short cameo by Noraly, well done on getting vthat clip inserted. As a previous owner 😉 f a 411 model which I really liked, I'm definitely going to try and get a test ride on the new 450 version.
One significant feature of the 450 you didn't point out are the tubeless rims, which are an option on the new bike over the 411. The tubeless tyres on your test bike doubtless contribute to the improved road handling. Also, the 450 has a totally different chassis layout as evidenced by the lack of a front downtube. Great review, although I don't agree with your observation that the 450 is a better looking bike than it's predecessor. I thought the angular design of the original was more distinctive than the generic and vaguely globular styling of the new one. Watching the rolling start acceleration test, I can see clearly how the new engine clearly out performs the old unit of my trusty 411.
Black and gold finish completely transforms the looks. Personally I prefer the look of the guerilla version. In comparison reviews the CF450 does very well.
Great review as always. My local dealer here in the US said the initial shipment won’t have very many bikes. He said roughly on bike per dealer. Likely will not be available in any quantity for several months
A good review of this bike. This test bike has a lot of extras fitted to it such as the taller windscreen, luggage set and crashbars etc, My main complaints were the leaning on the side stand and the warning lights on the TFT were too small, I found the warning light for the indicators was hard to see. I think the 450MT is it's main rival and it's cheaper too!
I agree that the warning "lights" for the turn signal are very hard to see because they aren't lights at all. They blink on and off but they don't grab your attention because they are small and the same brightness as the rest of the TFT. This is a safety issue IMO. If I buy one of these bikes (which I'm considering) I would wire a couple of proper LED indicators in the dash area. Should be relatively easy and cheap to do.
I went into my local dealer here in Ohio, USA Today and I was wrong yesterday when I said they’d be limited in availability. They had two brand new ones on the showroom floor. One in desert tan and some in grey with blue. I know you don’t care for the looks Andy but I think they’re good looking bikes. It didn’t occur to me until I sat on it why the tank is shaped like that. Allows your thighs to get in there close to the tank providing a more comfortable riding position.
Noraly did a pretty good preproduction test on it and Dave Darcey of MADTV in Australia is doing a big outback ride right now on one. So far good machine. My dealer wanted $3000USD more than retail with a bunch of BS add ons or I would have one now. Good for an old man with feet down on dirt roads. I think it may well be the best RTW bike going. Time will tell. Good review.
One thing I’d like to know is how easy it is to lift off the ground, a critical feature of any bike with off-road credentials in my view. REs tend to be overweight and the Himmy seems to have a high center of gravity. This is a spec that should be reported for all bikes, as well as lifting force on the handlebars (or alternatively lifting torque). If you drop a heavy adventure bike in the middle of nowhere, you might be in for a real adventure!
Good review as always TMF. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and unfortunately the RE doesnt do it for me looks wise. Agreed, the TFT looks really good, but otherwise I'll stick to my Speed 400 thanks! Keep up the great reviews!
Interesting review Andy. As a GSA rider for decades, it’s always interesting to see a similar type of bike on review. I wonder where they got the idea of the ‘styling’ of their panniers from? 😃. But seriously, with a reasonably heavy load of gear (as I go touring) I think a twin 650 would have been a better option, but I take on board, its limitations and the 450 is a much better improvement. I think for the money, it really is a cracking bike and great for a short ‘weekend away’ jolly.. I may well go for a test on one over at Peterborough when the new GSA is over there too.. Great review 👍
Great review Andy. Never ridden this one. Borrowed the old previous one off a mate, in a very rough environment.. With little off road experience I put mates on Africa twins and GSs to shame.. It might have been agricultural but it handeled everything with ease. Like a mini tractor 😊..
Hey Andy. Great review. I am looking forward to seeing your review of the Guerrilla 450 as well. For future reviews, the TFT plays much better with the camera when it is on dark mode. RE has already conceded that they put too much of an arc in the sidestand, and intend to make some changes. It is definitely leaning too far to the left with the current stand.
I watch an Indian Channel called Abhinav Bhatt. He has turned one of these Himis into a really cool offroader. I will go look at one when they finally arrive here.
Good film. I think you're making a bit of a fuss about the looks of this bike. It looks handsome to me, fit for purpose and a vast improvement on the smaller capacity RE's that have gone before. Engine is a big leap-forward too. Itchy Boots rode a pre-production model around Northern India and it seemed to go really well on rough mountain roads.
You can take a Himi 452 anywhere, not so the Triumph. I've nothing against the Triumph, of the pair of 400's it's the better looking , more substaintial appearing bike. But it's not an off-road bike in the true sence of the genre.
Nice review, I'm not sure the lack of engine brake would appeal to me, I'd have to change how I ride a bit, especially downhill, I'm used to a bit of engine break to the point where it's part of the way I slow the bike down, especially if I'm pushing it a bit. Having said that this type of bike appeals to me, I have 3 bikes at the moment and I'm looking for that bike that can do it all, purely because paying 3 x insurance and registration and maintenance is probably a bit daft when I'm only riding a few hours each week. Plus, I can barely move in my garage!
I've ridden the old 411 and the new 450. On the new bike, I found the same seating issue, being pushed forward towards the tank. Yes, the new bike is a step up, good value but was hoping for better comfort. But.....I'm going to test CF Moto 450MT, its price competitive, parallel twin with a lot of already good reviews, before parting with my cash.
I honestly like all the improvements they've made to the bike and it feels like they've spotted the perfect middle ground to make every type of customer happy. Perfect cc for size with EFI and just the right amout of power for keeping it efficient and highway capable. Then matched it into an amazing package. I only have a couple dislikes including the rear lights which shouldn't have changed. I feel its actually a safety issue as a regular car driver isn't looking for just red. They are looking for a proper brake light and could be confused in thinking they are just indicators or accidentally putting on hazards. Honestly a really bad trend and should be left normal. My only other complaint is how bland that front light is and the beak. The bike just doesn't look right with the modern looks allover and then has a awful looking front headlight and screen. Some people might like it but it just looks average especially for being round. I even prefer the old DRZ style light over that. Needs something a bit more aggressive IMO.
Additionally too there has been some complains on the front guard clogging the front wheel to a stop when in muddy terrain. Should maybe only have the rear section and give it a but more clearance.
Love your reviews, never miss one or the MCN news, don’t like this bike, looks dated, just bought the CRF 300L she is much better looking. Take care my friend. If you’re ever in the West Country (Somerset) let me know, always tea and cake available.
This is an ideal city commuter bike..however...we now have another couple of choices from CF Moto and Voge which also do mid power engined ADV bikes all in an 'affordable' price range..and the Chinese throw in a load of extras as standard, I'm at a stage in life where I'm long over name brand snobbery
Test road one. It’s a nice but I much prefer the 411 himmy. The 411 has a utilitarian charm and mechanical feel to it which has been lost on the 450 I think in part to the refinements made and technology added. The one thing personal to me is I really don’t like is how far the bike leans over on its side stand. I have a dodgy right leg and due to the lean angle it’s harder to get off its side stand than a lot of bigger adventure bikes.
I just wrote it it’s not as peppy as I thought it would be it’s a little slow off the line you got a really give it some gas doesn’t have the live I thought it would have but it is smooth and comfortable
Well done RE Unlike BMW, your bike gets better. My crits? Where's the fuel gauge? And that tiny excuse for a screen. But this simple, unsophisticated Single, at a fair price, will be a winner. Might even be tempted one day.
I do like the looks of the old model more. Looked more practical. This new one is definitely an upgrade and I see where you gain as a rider, but for looks, it's just not retro enough for me
Great reviews as always. And a quick question. Have you ever thought about owning an older bike and reviewing them? Like an older CB900f or something of that era. I love my Speed Twin and Griso, but I also want an older GS1100 or CB900f. The 80's classic's really appeal to me. And I recall speaking to a Himalayan owner at a bike stop once. He liked the bike, but said they have a habit of burning oil.
Yes I have and have a fair few “classic” reviews on the channel - they always got good views but I had to stop doing them when my supplier of older bikes pulled the plug….
Probably the worst reviewer on the internet - extremely biased towards dull BMWs and comes over as the sort of mealie mouthed Pom one finds at a local council meeting. 不喜欢
Well thank you very much! Charmed to meet you I’m sure!!
Actually he is totally unbiased and is an excellent reviewer and is my go to if I'm thinking of a change of motorcycle, although I can't see past Triumph hence its been Hinckley Triples for 30+ years😊
@maxutley you sound a nice guy….. not.
Possibly the funniest, most inaccurate comment I've ever read.
Pom, mealie mouthed?? LMFAO.
Someone's having a bad day or just a miserable life....😂
@MaxUtley now that you've received a little attention, do you feel better?
Great bikes.
Rode my tubeless version around the Picos in Spain off-road and then back through France to St Malo. Coped with it all with aplomb.Great off-road but still sat at 80 mph on short blast on autoroute.Averaged 77 mpg over 1200 miles.
Also , fuel range is about 280 miles to empty . The nav app is brilliant but phone must be left unlocked . Turned down screen brightness and plugged in to power bank in tank bag , it was fine on an 8 hour day . I’m sure they’ll update this minor flaw but the navigation is much better than something like the Garmin Motorize on Yamahas and that ain’t free either . The Himmy 450 is a brilliant bike . Two up touring is about all it can’t do.
@@magaudion great feedback and good to know! I'll be taking spare tubes as a backup to install in case rims get dinged and don't seal as well as tubeless repair.
I love the look of this bike. RE are doing a great job. Real world bikes and pricing
Really don’t like the looks at all….personal preferences I guess!
I love it..
I ride a Moto Guzzi V85 tt and the 450 just looks kinda like a baby version.
@@2006Whippet A fellow Guzzi owner. The V85 is a cracking bike.
These bikes just started to arrive in the USA. I live in Seattle. Put down my deposit and will be getting the black with tubeless tyres. The version you had was the fully spec'd bike with the adventure screen and tubeless tyres. I plan to ride it across the trans America trail next year and then ship to the UK and then on to Europe and hopefully beyond if me old 66 year old body can take it!
Have fun!
Good for you. You could even come and ride in the Deep South, South Island New Zealand.
@@FlyingScot I'm also from the power (oregon). Any guess what it costs to ship a motorcycle ?
Are the tubeless available? I thought it would be next year. Hopefully I’m wrong
@@axellness around $750 from New York
Have the black/gold one in my garage now for 2 months, absolutely love it!
2 items to include in the long term review: 1 you can adjust the seat height by moving the bars underneath, and 2 it runs almost 100 MPG 😂
@@wltrlg The adjustability of seat height is such a great feature, all other bike manufacturers should be ashamed for not having it. Of course they make more money selling optional seats!
Maturing as a motorcyclist teaches you that going fast on a small bike is more fun than going fast on a big powerful bike. After over 30 years of riding I've learnt this lesson😅
I’ve learned that too!
Yeah, but I'm not sure that these things can even hit 130kph. There's slow, and then there's this 😂
@@craigbutler3378 going fast on a slow bike is also a lot more fun than going slow on a fast bike which is what happens to most people who think they are Rossi until they get on a bike that far exceeds their capabilities and costs a ton of money.
@@Alex_mkII Owners have reported 160 kmph / 100 mph. Just going by power to weight, that makes perfect sense.
Yeah the RE 650 line is probably my favorite bikes to ride. So relaxed and sound great
Bought this motorcycle a while ago, absolutely lovin it 🙌🏼
My go for bike reviews. I'm not say I don't like anybody else, but been following for years. I don't comment much but the content is brilliant.
That’s very kind of you to say Michael, thank you very much….
They are an amazing bargain and a perfect entry-level bike as well.
great review. I bought my first Himalayan based on one of your reviews. I'm no looker so felt it was inkeeping with the bike. Absolutely loved it. Only thing I really wanted was a bit more power for the longer bits of road. This seems to address that nicely. Well done RE
You’ll love this version….
I believe bmw bought one then rode it into a wall to get the new 1300gsa styling. 😂
😂🤣
Now thats funny, and accurate.
I think you may be right!
Enjoyed your review, I’m very fortunate at 72 years old I still ride a sport bike, always thought a Himalayan would be a good second bike.
Nice one Nick!
Brilliant down-to-earth review, covering all the practical stuff that potential buyers would be interested in. I think the car-park turning circle is a simple yet genius feature of your reviews! It was you who did the donuts wasn’t it, Andy, own up! Great stuff, as ever. Love how you pin the trolls to the naughty-step, too - very cool.
Cheers Jez - yes a bit of fun that to let the trolls be trolled back with little effort on my part!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Wonderfully effective, I'd imagine.
I disagree with the judgement of the looks with you. 🤗 The more I look at the 452, the more I like it. It reminds me of the bikes I was drooling about as kid. The arch in the chassis and the top line over the tank to the seat reminds me of the Yamaha XT 500 a lot, a really good looking classic enduro. The bigger tank and more chunky overall appearance make the Himie look robust to me. I like the Himie's looks much better than any of the other contemporary enduros I know, actually.
Yes!! This new Himi looks quite fine.
Most other ADVs have that 'transformer' look, with lots of plastic. Not for me... Looking forward to owning one.
I agree, one of the best looking bikes these days. It has a timeless character, conveys a feel of ruggedness and a serious, grown up, no-nonsense bike. I might be getting old but many modern bikes seem like out of a comic, designed for 12 year olds.
@@2Gales They look like anime-Monsters. Alien robot-insect faces. Yepp. It seems the designers are stuck in the recent 20 years of Sci-Fi films with their ideas about what a machine should look. Same with sports bikes: Gone are the elegant aerodynamically swept shapes that credibly looked like anyone with a clue of the science behind the design had a word in them.
Always appreciate your take on things, Andy. I’m interested to see this bike in person.
Thank you for watching and for stopping by!
I think it’s a very good around town utility bike not bothered by high kerbs or gutters. Easy to park. I’d definitely get one with a top box and larger screen for better wind protection.
I knew you’d like it Andy. ( to ride at least) .. engine is fantastic
Excellent review Andy 👏👏👏 they have done a great job to make this bike competitive ☺️
Totally agree
I had a Himalayan 411 along side my Interceptor and moved them both on and bought the Himalayan 450 at the beginning of June. Very pleased with it and the engine gets better with more miles. The screen on your demonstrater is the RE optional higher screen and I have one and agree with you it's not really any good. I will probably refit the standard shorter screen.
Great review and was waiting for you to review this bike. I actually love the styling and am now going to take one for a test ride. Cheers TMF👍
Have fun!
Great 👍 review mate , You always do quality reviews. A bike I have test ridden myself and will say the Indian Manufacturer certainly is always original in design and style ( love it or hate it ) but at least they don’t “ copy and paste “ like some other unnamed country of origin brands .
While they might not be as good as lots of other machines, the price, for what you are getting is astonishing. And unlike the Chinese invasion of cars and bikes, they have a fair few dealers and spare’s availability is as good as most other manufacturers.
Enjoyed that review. Would make a good second bike for commute and bit of off road fun. Thanks for the review!
Great review Andy, appreciate your opinion as always! Seems this little bike has much to offer and much more than many of us assumed it would !
Totally agree
Probably the best reviewer on the Internet. I had a go on one of these, having the 411 on the fleet as a winter hack. I agree with all your observations. The screen is bad, from a turbulence perspective on both bikes. In the end I binned mine on the 411. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Will do and thank you for the kind words, it is much appreciated!
i was hoping you would test this little bad boy soon. very nice bike!
Completely agree with the TFT. Test drove a speed 400 and just couldn't get on with the dashboard. a retro dash doesn't mean it can't be modern.
Adventure bike so not for me but the roadster version, the Guerrilla, now that does appeal and is done in some great colours. To me that's a far more serious bike than the Triumph and the new RE engine is even better in the roadster version.
Saw it at the ABR festival this year I thought it was a good all rounder and the quality was good Andy 👍
'Can you live with the looks of the bike' , ... this is a pretty good looking bike IMO.
It looks different than other ADVs with their literal body-shield in front and all Dakar like.
A very decent bike Andy. Affordable bikes will save motorcycling, offer good bikes and newer riders will snap them up, along with people wanting the simple pleasure of two wheels 👍🏻
Very true!
I test rode one and really liked it, so much nicer around the Cornish lanes than my GSA. I was about to put down a deposit until the CF 450 turned up.
Only thing holding me up there is waiting to see if the long awaited Cornish dealer is confirmed.
I still love the 411 & the last version with the improvements over the first, is the one to go for.
Indeed, the last version of any bike is the one.
Let's not forget the amount of world tours the 411 has done in various hands...quite amazing & I personally feel R.E ought to have kept it going, along with the new 452 under a different name.
Yes it does have a loyal following for sure
Having a 411 and a 450 single cylinder adv bike from the same manufacturer would not have made business sense. Especially when one is vastly improved over the other.
@@thepodbaydoorshal
I disagree...
It's because of the huge worldwide following of the 411 I say this.
Japanese manufacturers have openly said they made mistakes in discontinuing certain models in favour for what they've seen as a better product..& it's those past products that are hankered after.
I've both the 411 & 450 & there's definitely room for both bikes & now for slightly different reasons.
The 411 could have remained, especially as the last model was improved to a final point.
The 450 could have been the Himalayan Mark2?
Imagine how now the number of sales RE will be losing out to other brands, to first time riders, to elderly riders & anyone else who wants that basic lower power bike, that is so so easy to live with & maintain.
The 450 is a worse bike in these ways & dealer servicing is/will be the only way for most.
Not so for the humble 411.
@@keepitreal1547 Unless there’s a significant price gap I don’t see why first time buyers will pick the 411 over the 450. On top of that they would have to keep the 411 production line going which is an extra cost. Most 411 owners will upgrade to the 450 after a while and most new riders will want the bike that they can grow into and won’t feel they’ve outgrown after a few months. You have to see that your opinion, while it has some merit due to you having both bikes, is still an outlier in the context of good business. Those Japanese brands you mentioned who canned beloved models may regret it now but there are more things to consider when it comes to replacing a model than the opinions of purists. Emissions is one. Safety is another as well as economy. Replacing a model isn’t the problem, doing it the right way is the issue. By all accounts RE have gotten this right so there’s no need to keep the old model hanging around. They’ve done so successfully with their 350 classic/bullet range as well.
I have no interest in the Himalayan - but I always enjoy your videos and reviews - which is why I watch you.
I appreciate that - thank you very much!
Hey Flyer - I have this bike in the same white camo, I am not generally a fan of black bikes, and with tubeless wheels you only have two colour options. You have the comfort seat on the demo. The mirrors seem to be self adjusting on mine when I give it the beans to the rev limiter on 9k. I find the footpegs do have a bit of vibration around 70mph which is noticeable on a motorway run, but it is liveable. I find it to be a really comfortable bike with plush sharp handling and enough poke to make it fun. I think you got the assessment pretty much spot on there 🙂
Glad we concur!
when noraly and her two twin sisters can go three up on this bike with cases and all then it will be somthing for me too. 450cc is just not enough for us large blokes :) but for small framed adventurers its certainly a rugged solid bike choice!
Another great and balanced review, I just made a brew am about to head out for a test ride on one of these so your posting was perfectly timed as I enjoy my brew and get ready to try it out for myself.
Be interested to hear what you thought?
@@TheMissendenFlyer Well, I can confirm I absolutely loved it. I have talked numbers with the dealer, a final decision has not been made as yet, but watch this space. A new Himi 450 fan is born..! (I mention you and link to your video too).
Morning Andy, I think the Himalayan 411 does have a cult following. Nathan Millwood who runs Dorothy’s Speedshop and leads off road long distance tours described it as the best travel bike you could buy due to its balance of off road and on road capability and luggage carrying ability together with its simplicity and low cost. The new one is a lot more powerful but has lost some of the low down chugability of the 411 combined with carrying its weight higher up. This makes it less able off road than the old bike although it’s very capable on road.
Finally if you think the new Himalayan handles well on road, try the Guerrilla. The smaller front wheel makes it even more nimble.
BTW I’m enjoying my new Kawasaki Eliminator 500SE tremendously, it’s a good handling nimble sports cruiser. You should try and get one for review, I think it would surprise you.
Thanks for watching again - and glad you’re enjoying your new bike….
Nathan loves the cfmoto 450 now as his favorite.
I only have one bike and it's the 411 scram... and I ride it offroad as much as possible.
Loads better than the old one in my eyes and in the black and gold it actually looks quite smart. I really do hope you get a ride on the new Guerrilla which has the same engine as I think you'll like it. I know they said its not aimed at people your age but thats rubbish. Lots of older people will buy them. Anyway good review as always 👍
Thanks Paul!
A dealer employee gave me some advice when I complained about the weight when muscling it upright off the leaning sidestand position.
first of all make sure wheel is pointing straight ahead as possible , move the handlebars on the right hand bar end and gently pull the bike straight.
it worked well, have tried the technique on my transalpine also …so basically dont push from left side of your body and handlebars , but tug from the right hand side of handlebar and body .
i think what iam saying is accurate , but the employee knew how to do it perfectly.
Actually I find it always makes a bike easier to lift off the stand if you point the front wheel away from the stand side….
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes you could be right ,when possible ...the other point however is I used to hoof my bikes from the gear shifter side, to take a bike off its sidestand , but after being shown , find it easier to do the afore mentioned from pulling from the end of the throttle bar, little body effort needed.
Which side are you standing - throttle side? Must try it....
Thank you Andy for another great review! I’m in the hunt for an adventure bike to share the garage with my Triumph T120. I’ve looked at so many and I believe the new Africa Twin is on the top of my list for 2025.
It is however very interesting seeing what’s new out there and I love that Royal Enfield can be had for a much lower price for the budget minded. It looks to be a quality machine! Cheers from New York
Cheers! ….and yes the new AT is a lovely bike….
Lovely review mate. Ride safe
Thank you!
Really enjoyed this review . Nice witty detail and honesty on a bike priced against a Honda CRF. Quite attractive in black and yellow - like the original GS colours. 🏍️🙏👊
Thrilled you enjoyed it - thank you Anthony!
The elegant simplicity of that digital dashboard display is a thing of beauty. Take note, Triumph!
I couldn’t agree more!
Yes, it shows the speed very well 😉
RE are nailing all their projects off late. Looking forward for the RE Guerrilla review. Same Sherpa engine but more road focused. Looking forward to your thoughts on that
I’m told by Royal Enfield it’s not aimed at riders like me….!! I guess I’m too old for it….
@@TheMissendenFlyer wow. A bit below the belt . Are they saying your not a spring chicken anymore? Lol. Rude much. I didn't know 2 wheels came with an age bracket. Maybe the worried about your experience opinion too much 😋. Keep up the good work and always stay blessed. Big time follower.
Great review of a bike I was very interested in until the Triumph speed 400 came on the scene. Luckily, or unfortunately, for me it could be upto another year before I'm back on a bike, so I have plenty reasons to go to a dealer and look at my next set of two wheels. The Himalayan certainly looks a great improvement.
Nice review & quite a cool & interesting bike. Seems a decent offering & it looks quite good for adventure bike to me. Good value as well.
Totally agree
I just rode one around the Himalayas for a couple of weeks and wasn’t a big fan for the first couple of days but then it just grew on me. I had the black & yellow version with gold wheels and love the styling, though not sure about the boxy looking panniers. I was riding on very mixed roads and achieved a mpg equivalent of 113. Staggeringly frugal. Am thinking about changing my 2019 Bullet for one of these.
Wow - quite a test ride!
Great review. Personally, I like the looks of this one. I would consider owning it.
I think it looks pretty sweet. Surprised you didn't like the looks. Also, I'm sure you heard this in the comments before. But you should shoot at 60fps and not 50 to get rid of the flickering on the TFT screens.
Thanks for the advice!
@@toowheela2111 hmm..not sure about that as it depends on the refresh rate of the tft, and not the power supply. If the tft refreshes at multiples of the recording rate then no flicker. If it doesn't then there will be flicker.
I was amazed what a tight turning circle it has, as it looks quite a long bike. interesting review as ever. I like the White Map colour.
Thanks for watching again David!
One of the things I love about the old model is its analogue instrument cluster. It is far more attractive than this new Himalayan's single "clock".
Good review, looks like big improvement on last model. I personally like the look of the bike, and you get a lot for your money, less than 6k 😊. Also for that price you’re not buying into every gizmos, and quality that money can buy , such as top brands you sometimes compare too. Overall a fair review 👍
I always enjoy it when you ride by Matildas -- the one time I ever visited Missenden I had a tasty, well-priced lunch there.
Yes it's my favourite cafe by far - I'm often found in there!
You never remember that you need the engine running on a RE before the headlight comes on! 😅 you'll have to hurry up and try and get a ride on the guerrilla 450 so you can compare... one of the most comfortable bikes I've ever sat on!
I’m too old for the Guerilla according to RE!
@@TheMissendenFlyer that's a very short sighted attitude from RE imo, surely the Guerilla is aimed at the Triumph 400 potential buyers and I believe a large majority of these are mature riders. I am over 60 and looking at the 400/400x for next year, now with the Guerilla being released I will have to see how they stack up against each other.
RE are currently knocking it out the park at the moment with simple usable bikes.
Watching your vid on a 65 inch OLED, the on bike footage is SO much better than previously. What’s the camera setup now and are you using D-LOG and colour correction now, or straight out the camera?
Osmo action 4 - straight out….glad it looks ok!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Well that has helped me push the button on an Osmo Action 5 pro
looks like big improvement on last model. I personally like the look of the bike, and you get a lot for your money, less than 6k 😊. Also for that price you’re not buying into every gizmos, and quality that money can buy , such as top brands you sometimes compare too. Overall a good review 👍
Great review .. Much improved bike .. When you look at the price it makes me question my decision on paying £25k in May for my R1300GS TE 719 Option !!! And I now wont see the full BMW luggage until next year following them being completely redesigned for the second time !!!!!!
What are they playing at with the luggage!
Hi Andy … Been told they redesigned it once but field trials were not good so they redesigned it for a second time and in field trials now !!!! I have been offered an official soft topbox which is nice but it’s on back order and sold out !!!! So advised luggage should arrive some time in the new year .. I have to say it’s disappointing…
Check out some of the factory/dealer options. Bigger screen, different seat few other items. I take pride in the looks of my machines and I know you do as well, however that's a rider, not so much a looker. Utilitarian is correct. All good
I'm in the US and patiently waiting on the exact bikes sans hard luggage. For reference, I owned a 2020 GS, and much prefer the new Himalayan. I look forward to many adventures to come.
The Himalayan is great value for sure - enjoy!
Great review (Hanle black Himalayan tubeless owner,, biased?) and just completed the first 300 miles running in and now have the 'jump' from 4000rpm to 6000rpm until 1200 miles (up from 50mph max to 70mph)which seems to be when these engines will be much better. I agree the sidestand drops too far, even with an enlarger which only just clears the mainstand, so when fully loaded, even with soft bags it will be a 'heave' to get upright. Will probably change to adjustable hand levers, also fit smaller valve stems as they are too long on the tubeless where the spokes make pressure check awkward. Everything else, quaity, build, gearbox, engine operation is as good as you found, even got 99.9mpg on display while running in. Missed out on a few trips this year due to late arrival (tubeless version ordered last november) but well worth the wait so far.
I didn't think the black with the tubeless was out yet. Are you in the uk?
@@Rayraysplums Black Tubeless was registered for me on 8th august 2 days after it was delievered and first service pre-booked BUT dealership was so busy the next 'first service vacancy' was last week so had to restrict the mileage. First service now done, bike getting better, running through the revs very well and looking forward to finish the 1200 mile stage. Those reports on engine vibrations (not this one) seemed to have been on low mileage test rides, many under the first 300 miles but I have had no issues. The sidestand looks like a design problem - a longer sidestand would hit the mainstand so it would need a new mainstand, possibly move the leveage point your foot presses down onto give more clearnace. The rest of the bike looks good and much better in this colour, very light, nimble to ride. I was offered the other 'tubeless variant' about a few weeks earlier than this but only wanted the black version which seems to have been the last to arrive here in uk.
Another enjoyable bike review. RE make some nice looking bikes, nice retro looks. Good pricing on all the models. I wonder how the second hand valves will be after a few years of riding.
Nice to see the short cameo by Noraly, well done on getting vthat clip inserted. As a previous owner 😉 f a 411 model which I really liked, I'm definitely going to try and get a test ride on the new 450 version.
Nice one!
Noraly replaced her RE for a Honda ….smart choice. I’ll be interested to see what new bike she’s chosen for her next adventures.
One significant feature of the 450 you didn't point out are the tubeless rims, which are an option on the new bike over the 411.
The tubeless tyres on your test bike doubtless contribute to the improved road handling. Also, the 450 has a totally different chassis layout as evidenced by the lack of a front downtube. Great review, although I don't agree with your observation that the 450 is a better looking bike than it's predecessor. I thought the angular design of the original was more distinctive than the generic and vaguely globular styling of the new one. Watching the rolling start acceleration test, I can see clearly how the new engine clearly out performs the old unit of my trusty 411.
Well it’s just a matter of personal taste isn’t it - I think the new bike looks a lot better….
Black and gold finish completely transforms the looks. Personally I prefer the look of the guerilla version. In comparison reviews the CF450 does very well.
People don’t get so upset it’s just one man’s honest thoughts we all don’t order the same meal at a restaurant
Very good point!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I personally thought it was a great review
Triumph 400 done, RE 450 checked... Now the remaining is the CFMoto 450 to complete the circle (which is the one I choose after tedting those 3)
Yes I have had many requests for review! Coming soon..
Great review as always. My local dealer here in the US said the initial shipment won’t have very many bikes. He said roughly on bike per dealer. Likely will not be available in any quantity for several months
How strange - I wonder why?
One of the things you rarely see in the states on public roads. Hedges right up to the hard surface. Most places have wide ditches that are mowed.
A good review of this bike. This test bike has a lot of extras fitted to it such as the taller windscreen, luggage set and crashbars etc, My main complaints were the leaning on the side stand and the warning lights on the TFT were too small, I found the warning light for the indicators was hard to see. I think the 450MT is it's main rival and it's cheaper too!
Yes looking forward to riding that!
I agree that the warning "lights" for the turn signal are very hard to see because they aren't lights at all. They blink on and off but they don't grab your attention because they are small and the same brightness as the rest of the TFT. This is a safety issue IMO. If I buy one of these bikes (which I'm considering) I would wire a couple of proper LED indicators in the dash area. Should be relatively easy and cheap to do.
Great review 😊
Thanks for watching!
I went into my local dealer here in Ohio, USA Today and I was wrong yesterday when I said they’d be limited in availability. They had two brand new ones on the showroom floor. One in desert tan and some in grey with blue. I know you don’t care for the looks Andy but I think they’re good looking bikes. It didn’t occur to me until I sat on it why the tank is shaped like that. Allows your thighs to get in there close to the tank providing a more comfortable riding position.
Noraly did a pretty good preproduction test on it and Dave Darcey of MADTV in Australia is doing a big outback ride right now on one. So far good machine. My dealer wanted $3000USD more than retail with a bunch of BS add ons or I would have one now. Good for an old man with feet down on dirt roads. I think it may well be the best RTW bike going. Time will tell. Good review.
Thanks Sam!
One thing I’d like to know is how easy it is to lift off the ground, a critical feature of any bike with off-road credentials in my view. REs tend to be overweight and the Himmy seems to have a high center of gravity. This is a spec that should be reported for all bikes, as well as lifting force on the handlebars (or alternatively lifting torque). If you drop a heavy adventure bike in the middle of nowhere, you might be in for a real adventure!
Yes it is very heavy to lift - even off the side stand let alone the ground!
Good review as always TMF. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and unfortunately the RE doesnt do it for me looks wise. Agreed, the TFT looks really good, but otherwise I'll stick to my Speed 400 thanks! Keep up the great reviews!
Will do!
Interesting review Andy. As a GSA rider for decades, it’s always interesting to see a similar type of bike on review. I wonder where they got the idea of the ‘styling’ of their panniers from? 😃. But seriously, with a reasonably heavy load of gear (as I go touring) I think a twin 650 would have been a better option, but I take on board, its limitations and the 450 is a much better improvement. I think for the money, it really is a cracking bike and great for a short ‘weekend away’ jolly.. I may well go for a test on one over at Peterborough when the new GSA is over there too.. Great review 👍
Thank you!
Seems like a really nice capable bike. Smooth non vibey engine sounds great. Get rid of the cheesy graphics on tank
Yeah I agree!
Base model comes without graphics.
Great review Andy. Never ridden this one. Borrowed the old previous one off a mate, in a very rough environment.. With little off road experience I put mates on Africa twins and GSs to shame.. It might have been agricultural but it handeled everything with ease. Like a mini tractor 😊..
Hey Andy. Great review. I am looking forward to seeing your review of the Guerrilla 450 as well. For future reviews, the TFT plays much better with the camera when it is on dark mode.
RE has already conceded that they put too much of an arc in the sidestand, and intend to make some changes. It is definitely leaning too far to the left with the current stand.
Yes for such a small thing it really is a big deal and impacts ease of living with the bike….
I watch an Indian Channel called Abhinav Bhatt. He has turned one of these Himis into a really cool offroader. I will go look at one when they finally arrive here.
Good film. I think you're making a bit of a fuss about the looks of this bike. It looks handsome to me, fit for purpose and a vast improvement on the smaller capacity RE's that have gone before. Engine is a big leap-forward too. Itchy Boots rode a pre-production model around Northern India and it seemed to go really well on rough mountain roads.
I wonder how it stacks up against the small Triumph Scrambler. Have you had a chance to ride one of those for comparison?
You can take a Himi 452 anywhere, not so the Triumph. I've nothing against the Triumph, of the pair of 400's it's the better looking , more substaintial appearing bike. But it's not an off-road bike in the true sence of the genre.
Getting the Scrambler next week!
Nice review, I'm not sure the lack of engine brake would appeal to me, I'd have to change how I ride a bit, especially downhill, I'm used to a bit of engine break to the point where it's part of the way I slow the bike down, especially if I'm pushing it a bit. Having said that this type of bike appeals to me, I have 3 bikes at the moment and I'm looking for that bike that can do it all, purely because paying 3 x insurance and registration and maintenance is probably a bit daft when I'm only riding a few hours each week. Plus, I can barely move in my garage!
Welcome to my world!
Seriously interested in the new Guerrilla and your review. I’m definitely in the older rider bracket, currently riding the 500 efi classic.
Will you be doing one before I jump in? Lots of positives so far .
I've ridden the old 411 and the new 450. On the new bike, I found the same seating issue, being pushed forward towards the tank. Yes, the new bike is a step up, good value but was hoping for better comfort. But.....I'm going to test CF Moto 450MT, its price competitive, parallel twin with a lot of already good reviews, before parting with my cash.
Great review.. when are you going to review the Tuareg 660.. I did email you about mine latest version if you wanted to test one..
So many bikes so little time! 😜
@@TheMissendenFlyer 😅
I honestly like all the improvements they've made to the bike and it feels like they've spotted the perfect middle ground to make every type of customer happy. Perfect cc for size with EFI and just the right amout of power for keeping it efficient and highway capable. Then matched it into an amazing package.
I only have a couple dislikes including the rear lights which shouldn't have changed. I feel its actually a safety issue as a regular car driver isn't looking for just red. They are looking for a proper brake light and could be confused in thinking they are just indicators or accidentally putting on hazards. Honestly a really bad trend and should be left normal.
My only other complaint is how bland that front light is and the beak. The bike just doesn't look right with the modern looks allover and then has a awful looking front headlight and screen. Some people might like it but it just looks average especially for being round. I even prefer the old DRZ style light over that.
Needs something a bit more aggressive IMO.
Additionally too there has been some complains on the front guard clogging the front wheel to a stop when in muddy terrain. Should maybe only have the rear section and give it a but more clearance.
I agree with your observations - thanks for watching!
Love your reviews, never miss one or the MCN news, don’t like this bike, looks dated, just bought the CRF 300L she is much better looking. Take care my friend. If you’re ever in the West Country (Somerset) let me know, always tea and cake available.
Ooh sounds good to me!
This is an ideal city commuter bike..however...we now have another couple of choices from CF Moto and Voge which also do mid power engined ADV bikes all in an 'affordable' price range..and the Chinese throw in a load of extras as standard, I'm at a stage in life where I'm long over name brand snobbery
Test road one. It’s a nice but I much prefer the 411 himmy. The 411 has a utilitarian charm and mechanical feel to it which has been lost on the 450 I think in part to the refinements made and technology added. The one thing personal to me is I really don’t like is how far the bike leans over on its side stand. I have a dodgy right leg and due to the lean angle it’s harder to get off its side stand than a lot of bigger adventure bikes.
Yes it does go over a long ol way!
I just wrote it it’s not as peppy as I thought it would be it’s a little slow off the line you got a really give it some gas doesn’t have the live I thought it would have but it is smooth and comfortable
Nice, but wish they had put the 650 twin into it.. maybe next model?
A dual sport bike like this would be ruined by having a 650 twin in it.
Big rock moto loved this bike! Im very interested ❤
Love the small print V6... I guess my pausing skills are that good 😄
They are!
You have to empty the top box to remove it from the bike?
Looks that way
I'm torn between this and a triumph scrambler 400x. At 6ft 3, not sure which is best. Be interesting to have a comparison between the two!
I noticed that the bike you rode was equipped with tubeless rims. In my experience that's worth it's weight in gold. Figure of speech of course 😂
Well done RE Unlike BMW, your bike gets better. My crits? Where's the fuel gauge? And that tiny excuse for a screen. But this simple, unsophisticated Single, at a fair price, will be a winner. Might even be tempted one day.
Fuel gauge is the inner circle
I do like the looks of the old model more. Looked more practical. This new one is definitely an upgrade and I see where you gain as a rider, but for looks, it's just not retro enough for me
Great reviews as always. And a quick question. Have you ever thought about owning an older bike and reviewing them? Like an older CB900f or something of that era. I love my Speed Twin and Griso, but I also want an older GS1100 or CB900f. The 80's classic's really appeal to me.
And I recall speaking to a Himalayan owner at a bike stop once. He liked the bike, but said they have a habit of burning oil.
Yes I have and have a fair few “classic” reviews on the channel - they always got good views but I had to stop doing them when my supplier of older bikes pulled the plug….