It’s not even that, Melee is just so expressive once you get to the top and you fight other top players you can just recognise them from their play style 26 characters in Melee but most of them have many different ways to play them
The fact they recognize each other just by the style of play says a lot about how dedicated top players are to the game. Back when both of them played they studied each other's patterns to no end for an eventual advantage in case they fought in bracket, and it wasn't just PPMD studying Hbox and vice versa, they probably did that for every other top player at the time. That's just part of what it takes to be that good at melee
Come on folks, y’all fall for anything. Hbox didn’t recognize pp’s play style from over a decade ago after a few minutes. His chat told him and he tried to play it off like he could tell from play style alone bc he’s insecure like that.
There are very few Puff mains, on the East coast, that wear green, and can play PP evenly or better lol. And vice versa. Also yeah both chats were spamming.
I wonder if the pressure of the old "God" title gets to PP and makes him experience imposter syndrome when he plays top players. People were banking on his return for years and I've wondered ever since his return if maybe he's been afraid of letting people down by being 'exposed' as a disappointment. In reality, everyone thinks he's cool and just wishes he would take it easy, have fun, and try his best.
Thought the exact same thing. What's beating PP, is PP (which is obvious, he let us know of his mental challenges). I just wish him all the best even now, he's always been my favorite of the gods. A truly humble and kind person with a killer Marth and Falco. Fucking badass lol. Long live "Stack It Up".
plus it's been so long at this point and the average person is so much better the few times pp does play top players he always does better than anyone would expect like no one would freak out if he didn't get great placements right when he comes back to tourneys but he's obviously mad good. He was the one who got me to play the game years ago I still think his playstyle stands out wish he came back.
I was so happy seeing pp fight hbox and so sad when he one and done’d him, hope pp can get to a point where he doesn’t give a fuck about what people think and just enjoys playing good melee, same for m2k
It’s so interesting to hear him compare old hbox to new hbox. It must be like when we were kids and your friends haven’t come over for a long time, and you can tell they’ve gotten better. It must be such a weird feeling
HBox did actually surpass him in 2015. In 2014, PPMD was rated 3rd and HBox was 5th - below all 4 other gods. In 2015, HBox simultaneously overtook PPMD, M2K, and Mango - being ranked 2nd that year. PPMD ended that years at 6th (this was the year Leffen ranked 3rd, so it was the first time that the top 5 wasn't all 5 gods). That was the last time PPMD was rated before he stepped away due to health issues, so it was the very last chance HBox had to beat him, but he did manage to do it.
@@Ruminations09 pp went to 3 majors in 2015, last one being summit, so panelists had to place players with more attendance and info above (obviously) their record is 8-7 pps favor lifetime, but the last two years they played (once each year, 2014 and 2015) hbox won a close set, so not enough info there, hbox favored maybe however only pp, armada and mang0 have won tournaments with all five gods in attendance (last one for pp being apex 2015, where hbox got upset by PewPewU); hbox never managed to take the tourney against the entire field of gods sadly there's not enough data to determine if hgod "surpassed" pp in any meaningful way *specifically @ the head to head*, but in overall achievements, pp was only ranked #1 in summer 2013, while hbox was #1 for three years, more than any other player registered (this also has nuance but whatever he the goat)
Also it's wild Hbox recognised PPMD's playstyle even though they haven't played eachother in like 8 years. Crazy how personal and expressive this game can be
I think OP meant that chat wanted to verify it wasn't someone pretending to be hbox by looking up his stream but PP knew by playstyle alone it was the real deal.
PP has said many times that he believes his health work will help much more than playing top players and that it’s fine if you don’t understand that. I can understand him after seeing him play other top players specifically when he ran into salt on ranked. He would be aware and point out specific situations he kept losing to but he expressed that he couldn’t physically react or deal with it at his current state. Playing with other top players and constantly being reminded that you can’t physically play as well as you used to and you COULD’VE beaten that situation would just be torture. Good for him taking one game and leaving.
I have hormonal issues that are much more manageable after years of testing and management. It's so hard to play through it, it affects every part of you. Can't think, can't react, can't even move sometimes. PP has gone through more than most people know, and I'm glad he's focusing on healing and dealing with all of it. I'm glad u mentioned it
Yea bro just plays the game, like he's not baited into going for super long combos all the time, he will when the opening is there but he never tries to force that opening he let's it come natural and is totally fine just picking apart every mistake the opponent makes in neutral till their stock is gone somehow almost without even noticing at times lol was always his biggest strength IMO and it looks like bros still got some left in the tank
@@DarktoneX Yeah obviously he doesn't owe anything. But it's kinda crazy not to capitalize off moments like this. Zero stakes, great content, everything the fans want in one small clip. Why just throw it all away on a technicality?
of course he doesn't owe anything, but we should be honest about why people one and done. most people do it so they don't lose their precious internet points, and my guess is that PP doesn't want to look bad against top players, and he wants to somewhat maintain his title of "god".
@@DarktoneX Because that's what human beings do by nature. Whatever the true reason is, it's foolish to think that it's an admirable one. PP says that he one and dones every top player in the video. My best guess is the stress from his image/name and potentially losing money in the future from viewers dropping off. Why do you think he one and dones specifically top players? That's quite a strange rule for someone that's well known as a god of the game, no?
I remember back in PPMD's prime that of the 5 gods and top players in general he was the only falco who could take sets off of Hbox, so it's cool to see that he's still got it, even for a game.
Hbox sounded so excited when he realized it was PP, got to have a wholy unexpected rematch with an old rival must’ve been so exciting. Obv PP can do whatever he pleases, but it’s really nice to see him playing again. I always had respect for him, being one of the Gods I feel was on the fringes, and really sadly faded into the background in comparison to so many others, so seeing that he’s just enjoying the game at all anymore, even still willing to play top players and still play really well is just nice to see! Obviously I’d love if old, recognizable names that I would hear about in tournaments, but I know how absolutely selfish that is. My sole, real wish, is that those names I respect can one day enjoy melee again or frankly are enjoying their lives.
Real engineer answering hungrybox (who somehow thinks getting network traffic from Panama to the US should be as fast as lightspeed times the length of a straight line across the Atlantic ocean). Not that he'll read this, but obviously the cables your connections are using aren't going straight across the Atlantic ocean (not to mention that routers do queueing and what not).. quack quack
Feels like 2013 again lol. Hoping PP returns soon! Mang0 said it himself at Summit 14 in 2022, Hbox had muscle memory during their set and so does PP here.
Everyones assuming pp left because hes scared of hurting his ego or of what others think of him, which is certainly possible, but think its likely he got stressed by competition and doesnt really want to dip back into it for mental health reasons And there could be loads of other reasons too, i just don't really like people assuming things of other peoples mental state and the reasons why they do things, especially when some people are making such a big deal over it. Similar to how pps very vague about his health issues and people say "oh if they actually mattered he couldve come back already its been 10 years" like chill youre not a doctor, maybe his health issues are a big deal amd deserve him taking it slow. And yet these people are valid for pps been expressing a will to return to competition for ages and a lack of detail will make people assume, i just dont think i like the situation as a whole
@@tomtomthedestroyer we don't know that yet. I'm not gonna stop hoping until we hear it from the man himself that he's never coming back. And so far he's only said that he'd like to come back but he's just not there yet with health and stuff
I mean out of Mew2King, Armada and PPMD, he's the most likely to come out of retirement and keep up with everyone else competitively. Mew2King is doing great things with coaching, and Armada streams but he isn't keeping up with the game at all. I don't see why Mew2King would want to return and how Armada could make up for his enormously long absence from the game as a whole. PPMD on the other hand is very active in the community and desiring, at least somewhat, to return. Now, of course it is incredibly stressful and he doesn't want to devote himself to the game anymore to the level that he did before, but let's not get too cynical.
@@sticlavoda5632it’s time to give up on that dream man, sorry to say. I love PP too. But after ten years, he’s a lot older now, the competition is extremely fierce. If he couldn’t figure out the health issues for ten years, what’s gonna change? We all have anxiety and depression. Most of us have physical health problems too, that’s what being an adult human is like. I’m in pain 24/7 and have been for a decade as well. But at a certain point I stopped using it as an excuse and just got the fuck on with my life, gritting my teeth and getting through it. Either he’s going to do it or he’s not, waiting around for his health to magically change is only hurting him. He needs to let go of the “I’m damaged” shit and just live his life if he wants to be happy. And I’m saying that in regards to life, not playing melee. I don’t even think he should try to compete. Lots of us have serious health issues, we can’t let it stop us from living life. Constantly telling yourself “I can’t because of my disease” or “why am I cursed, I’ll never have a normal life” is just training your subconscious to believe that you can’t do it.
How does the comment section act like PPMD owes them anything lol If PPMD wanted to play Hbox he could probably message him anytime and play together, and he could probably even set it up being off stream if he wanted. Obviously he doesn't want to play Hbox right now, whether he has mental or physical health problems doesn't even matter, just let PPMD make his own decisions
I love that the game is so expressive, that they can recognize each other just by how they play. Out of all the Falcos on Slippi, hbox knew this one was PP.
@l3ftie578 that's almost a decade ago brother. Let that sink in. How much better are players since then. And how much better is Hbox since then. Trust me there are not many people who would even pick Falco against hbox let alone beat him on dreamland with in 2024. The fact that PPs overall skillset has apparently kept up after all this time is impressive.
bruh you kinda acting parasocial with this dude you don’t know and who doesn’t know you. He’s not asking a lot by not saying anything ab his thought process.
Hbox 1 and doned everyone for years lmao theres literally a meme of him never even playing frieindlies. Idk wtf hes on about, hes just tasting his own medicine
I really respect PPMD's discipline with Melee, it's really hard to say "How I interact with this game isn't good for me and what is sustainable for me" and to make change on that. His decision is one that is very personal and unique to him, he clearly loves the game overall, but how he engaged with it needed to change for him, and to not only recognize that but also actually implement it is admirable. He is always exposed to top play in Melee, with analysis vids, running into top players online, watching tournaments, etc. he is always there just like before. And despite the highs competing brought him in the past when he played at his top level, and the temptation of going back to competing "just for fun" or "one last tournament" being always present by well-intentioned fans, PPMD always respectfully declines and holds true to his decision that the way he interacted with Melee before is not how he wants to do it now. It's easy to stop when you hate something, it's easy to stop when you hate something AND isn't healthy for you, but it's damn hard to stop when you love something and it isn't healthy, because that's addiction. Mad respect to PPMD for not only his incredible play and tenure with Melee, but also to recognize when it wasn't right anymore and to shift into a way to engage with Melee that is better for him overall.
People in this comment section and overall the melee community proving that its hilariously immature. What does PPMD owe to Hungrybox? Nothing. What does PPMD owe to anyone? Nothing. So is he lame for leaving after one game? If you're answer is yes, then you are highly judgmental and do not contribute to any positive discourse in the gaming community. ITS NOT EVEN RANKED, ITS UNRAKED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
Hey man, I saw this comment after I responded to your other one. There is definitely quite a bit of immaturity in the community and that's something that I try my best to encourage others to work on. I feel the twitter atmosphere has played a big role in keeping people from having normal mature conversations, but that isn't an excuse. As a community we have plenty of room to improve and we're plenty capable of it. This isn't a dig or an insult, just trying to be constructive. I don't think that the way you phrased this comment isn't going to do much good as far as getting people to be more mature. I understand where you're coming from though and I agree with the sentiment, it's pretty infuriating seeing people be childish and combative. There are plenty of people like that and it really makes communicating with them difficult. But man it's almost cathartic digging deeper with some of these people to see how they came to believe some wild things or why they're trying to fight. Once you break down those barriers, oftentimes it's a misunderstanding, miscommunication, unsubstantiated rumors they heard, or simply something else in their life had them angry already. Edit: to clarify, I'm no saint. I've snapped back at people and I constantly want to tell people they have horrendously sh1t takes all the time. But man do I regret that urge. All that said, similarly to PPMD there is no obligation here. I'm not telling you to be everyone's therapist or trying to pressure you into having frustrating conversations. I'm kinda just lightly encouraging you to at least not add to the anger soup that people are drinking. Either way man, I'm with you on hoping it gets better. I just want to watch people play a game where Mario fights Pikachu
Without the crowds and announcers.. if you unfocus your vision and zone out just right.. it looks and sounds like a casual match. Dreamlike childhood memory vibes.
Geez PP’s chat seemed so mean to HBox. PP was just like talking about how good his DI was, playing his best, and chat was like “call him and scream and leave” “I’ve never been so excited to see you win”. Like geez calm down
Impressed Hbox figured out it was pp, the inverse isn't near as hard to figure out since it's an elite green headband puff with a very distinct playstyle, like there's no one it could be BESIDES Hbox. Meanwhile, a more common main like Falco or Fox is MUCH harder to ID (unless it's M2K), but even then, pp's signature neutral game was enough of a tell for Hbox to notice.
What Hbox said at the end is so real. I LOVE Melee, it's one of my favorite games of all time. But god damn. I would NEVER try to be a top Melee player. In terms of work needed, this is by far the closest an Esport comes to traditional pro sports. You need to straight up dedicate your entire life if you want to be great.
Hate when this happens in any sort of game, I start getting a little bored and play casually laying back until I realize my opponent is pretty good so I start trying more but it’s already too late as I’m in a deficit and then they just one and done. Pretty annoying.
A Falco that's been retired for a decade just drifting in out of nowhere to smoke him on Dreamland, then disappearing with the wind & not even giving him a chance to redeem himself
My respects to PP, it is so stressful play against puff. It takes courage to recognize oneself's limitations and he was just casually playing in his twitch channel.
"you don't have to check, i know it's him" - pp
"this reminds me of pp" - hbox
a god will always know if another is a god
repent to God
Im sorry HGod
here before this gets thousands of likes
It’s not even that, Melee is just so expressive once you get to the top and you fight other top players you can just recognise them from their play style
26 characters in Melee but most of them have many different ways to play them
i found this so interesting. a testament to melee's capacity for player expression
PP hasn't entered a tournament in like 8 years but hbox still knows its him lol.
they had to study eachother back in the day
It's crazy how good PP still is. He could still clap 99% of players without trying.
Cause PP is BUILT DIFFERENT
@@coolbrotherf127 I believe Ken also claps most players, so that's unsurprising.
@@papersonic9941 I never found out if it is the same Ken that plays sonic in ultimate
My favorite genre of video is "top player randomly matches into PPMD"
I came to it
@@hisokabeatbox9053 📸
The fact they recognize each other just by the style of play says a lot about how dedicated top players are to the game. Back when both of them played they studied each other's patterns to no end for an eventual advantage in case they fought in bracket, and it wasn't just PPMD studying Hbox and vice versa, they probably did that for every other top player at the time. That's just part of what it takes to be that good at melee
They didn't recognize each other, hbox chat told him it was pp
Come on folks, y’all fall for anything.
Hbox didn’t recognize pp’s play style from over a decade ago after a few minutes.
His chat told him and he tried to play it off like he could tell from play style alone bc he’s insecure like that.
There are very few Puff mains, on the East coast, that wear green, and can play PP evenly or better lol. And vice versa. Also yeah both chats were spamming.
@@KevinOnEarth_ Lmfao so true thats the kinda guy he is tbh
@@KevinOnEarth_ "bc he's insecure like that" is so unnecessary
I wonder if the pressure of the old "God" title gets to PP and makes him experience imposter syndrome when he plays top players. People were banking on his return for years and I've wondered ever since his return if maybe he's been afraid of letting people down by being 'exposed' as a disappointment.
In reality, everyone thinks he's cool and just wishes he would take it easy, have fun, and try his best.
Thought the exact same thing. What's beating PP, is PP (which is obvious, he let us know of his mental challenges). I just wish him all the best even now, he's always been my favorite of the gods. A truly humble and kind person with a killer Marth and Falco. Fucking badass lol. Long live "Stack It Up".
plus it's been so long at this point and the average person is so much better the few times pp does play top players he always does better than anyone would expect like no one would freak out if he didn't get great placements right when he comes back to tourneys but he's obviously mad good. He was the one who got me to play the game years ago I still think his playstyle stands out wish he came back.
That's how I and I thought others viewed it. Couldn't take the pressure.
I hope PPMD reads this comment.
I love PP
I was so happy seeing pp fight hbox and so sad when he one and done’d him, hope pp can get to a point where he doesn’t give a fuck about what people think and just enjoys playing good melee, same for m2k
Yea he's just too scared of people thinking he's bad, so he only plays noobs
He 1 and doned cody as well.
Then cody hit him up for games cause he lost.
yall don’t know anything about anything and it shows😂
@@Soggerz neither do you
Juan sounded so hurt when pp left ;(
Press Juan if you feel bad for Hbox
@@WaffleAbuser
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I would be so sad
No disrespect to HBox, he's playing optimally, but you can't really blame the man for not wanting to play a campy Puff on WiFi XD
It’s so interesting to hear him compare old hbox to new hbox. It must be like when we were kids and your friends haven’t come over for a long time, and you can tell they’ve gotten better. It must be such a weird feeling
Sure except pp was saying hbox was playing worse than if he was in tourney. And pp hadn't played hbox in tourney in years.
PPMD's biggest rival. . . is himself.
He is an old god, but the only old god that Hbox didn't have to surpass to become #1.
HBox did actually surpass him in 2015.
In 2014, PPMD was rated 3rd and HBox was 5th - below all 4 other gods. In 2015, HBox simultaneously overtook PPMD, M2K, and Mango - being ranked 2nd that year. PPMD ended that years at 6th (this was the year Leffen ranked 3rd, so it was the first time that the top 5 wasn't all 5 gods).
That was the last time PPMD was rated before he stepped away due to health issues, so it was the very last chance HBox had to beat him, but he did manage to do it.
@@Ruminations09 I thought he quit in 2014?
@@Blundabus1337 No, he quit in 2016. The Battle of the Five Gods was his last major, and that happened in March of 2016.
@@Ruminations09 My bad.
Still, PP has a lot of hidden potential, despite being a god.
@@Ruminations09 pp went to 3 majors in 2015, last one being summit, so panelists had to place players with more attendance and info above (obviously)
their record is 8-7 pps favor lifetime, but the last two years they played (once each year, 2014 and 2015) hbox won a close set, so not enough info there, hbox favored maybe
however
only pp, armada and mang0 have won tournaments with all five gods in attendance (last one for pp being apex 2015, where hbox got upset by PewPewU); hbox never managed to take the tourney against the entire field of gods
sadly there's not enough data to determine if hgod "surpassed" pp in any meaningful way *specifically @ the head to head*, but in overall achievements, pp was only ranked #1 in summer 2013, while hbox was #1 for three years, more than any other player registered (this also has nuance but whatever he the goat)
Also it's wild Hbox recognised PPMD's playstyle even though they haven't played eachother in like 8 years. Crazy how personal and expressive this game can be
His chat told him and he tried to play it off like he could tell from play style to bolster his own ego.
Get real man.
@@KevinOnEarth_ "to bolster his own ego" is so unnecessary
@@KevinOnEarth_seek help
That's insane that both HBox and PP knew it was each other just by the way they play
Or maybe also by their fucking names on the display
@@hisokabeatbox9053 PP was under an alias and HBox didn't realize until a bit into the game.
@@StuNFuzzion No
@@hisokabeatbox9053are you tripping ppmd's ign has never been kalayo
@@hisokabeatbox9053?
I love that the chat was all trying to go and confirm that it was actually HBOX, but PP knew from the very beginning it was definitely him.
Yeah because hbox have the name
I think OP meant that chat wanted to verify it wasn't someone pretending to be hbox by looking up his stream but PP knew by playstyle alone it was the real deal.
Seeing Hungrybox, green headband, and that play style? I don't think anyone would go that hard on it
PP has said many times that he believes his health work will help much more than playing top players and that it’s fine if you don’t understand that. I can understand him after seeing him play other top players specifically when he ran into salt on ranked. He would be aware and point out specific situations he kept losing to but he expressed that he couldn’t physically react or deal with it at his current state. Playing with other top players and constantly being reminded that you can’t physically play as well as you used to and you COULD’VE beaten that situation would just be torture. Good for him taking one game and leaving.
I have hormonal issues that are much more manageable after years of testing and management. It's so hard to play through it, it affects every part of you. Can't think, can't react, can't even move sometimes. PP has gone through more than most people know, and I'm glad he's focusing on healing and dealing with all of it. I'm glad u mentioned it
@@jaybee3960what happened?
@@MegaMetal96mostly medical neglect and medical misinfo
PP Falco is so interesting. He’s very patient
I also hate that PP left. He’s good at the game! It’s all fun, anyway. Nobody is gonna take it too seriously
@@soravsgoku123nah the melee community can be really shitty. Both m2k and Armada said they had terrible experiences with the community.
It's much better now tho
Yeah, he's the best Falco player at neutral ever.
Yea bro just plays the game, like he's not baited into going for super long combos all the time, he will when the opening is there but he never tries to force that opening he let's it come natural and is totally fine just picking apart every mistake the opponent makes in neutral till their stock is gone somehow almost without even noticing at times lol was always his biggest strength IMO and it looks like bros still got some left in the tank
“he used to not rush like this” 😔
I thought this was going to be like some ancient 3 year old clip i missed but i saw 2 days ago and I’m freaking out
"the fierceness of their competition bound them together for eternity"
That a soul calibur start of round quote?
@@redstealth5106 Bill Russell quote about Wilt Chamberlain
Wish PP would try a little more but I respect him doing what he wants, he doesn't owe anything.
Its refreshing to hear someone else say something logical. Exactly, no one owes anything to anyone.
@@DarktoneX Yeah obviously he doesn't owe anything. But it's kinda crazy not to capitalize off moments like this. Zero stakes, great content, everything the fans want in one small clip. Why just throw it all away on a technicality?
of course he doesn't owe anything, but we should be honest about why people one and done. most people do it so they don't lose their precious internet points, and my guess is that PP doesn't want to look bad against top players, and he wants to somewhat maintain his title of "god".
@@WeedSmoker69 Why do you assume?
@@DarktoneX Because that's what human beings do by nature. Whatever the true reason is, it's foolish to think that it's an admirable one. PP says that he one and dones every top player in the video. My best guess is the stress from his image/name and potentially losing money in the future from viewers dropping off.
Why do you think he one and dones specifically top players? That's quite a strange rule for someone that's well known as a god of the game, no?
I remember back in PPMD's prime that of the 5 gods and top players in general he was the only falco who could take sets off of Hbox, so it's cool to see that he's still got it, even for a game.
Congrats to PP for keeping pace with BBB
@@thegamingguy1 could you explain what bbb stands for?
@@timotheus7845 bobby big ballz
@@timotheus7845typical ppmd hbox fan has no idea what anything is outside of their favorite player
@@thegamingguy1This is why Armada, and many other players avoid the Melee community now. What a dumb comment.
“Oh cmon man Kevin don’t leave” I’m dying 😂
pp not tryna play at the top level anymore, let him be y’all
just because you got a big wang doesn't mean you gotta do porn
So then it shouldn't be a big deal to continue matching correct?
Why not look forwarded to improve? It's a win-win at that point
Nah. FOR
FUNNNNNN
@@C-ViteHe doesn't like the pressure.
It's still disappointing. Hbox wanted to play a game with him again
I still remember when Hbox and Mew2King ran into each other when Hbox was doing an iron man. It’s great to see top players run into each other
Hbox sounded so excited when he realized it was PP, got to have a wholy unexpected rematch with an old rival must’ve been so exciting. Obv PP can do whatever he pleases, but it’s really nice to see him playing again. I always had respect for him, being one of the Gods I feel was on the fringes, and really sadly faded into the background in comparison to so many others, so seeing that he’s just enjoying the game at all anymore, even still willing to play top players and still play really well is just nice to see! Obviously I’d love if old, recognizable names that I would hear about in tournaments, but I know how absolutely selfish that is. My sole, real wish, is that those names I respect can one day enjoy melee again or frankly are enjoying their lives.
PP talking about how hbox has changed followed by hbox suspecting its PP just from the playstyle has me feeling some sort of way
His chat spammed it was pp.
It is so wholesome how they recognize each other by their playstlye, even after all those years.
STACK IT UP
STACK IT UP
I love how pp plays
Real engineer answering hungrybox (who somehow thinks getting network traffic from Panama to the US should be as fast as lightspeed times the length of a straight line across the Atlantic ocean). Not that he'll read this, but obviously the cables your connections are using aren't going straight across the Atlantic ocean (not to mention that routers do queueing and what not).. quack quack
Also dielectric constant is >1
He took a game off of Cody with his Marth and then dipped too a while back. He ended up playing him in some games after that though
I remember that. That was when cody was top 8. Cody got salty that he lost and hit him up to play more.
Feels like 2013 again lol. Hoping PP returns soon! Mang0 said it himself at Summit 14 in 2022, Hbox had muscle memory during their set and so does PP here.
Nice edit! thanks for including the commentary after the game too
Everyones assuming pp left because hes scared of hurting his ego or of what others think of him, which is certainly possible, but think its likely he got stressed by competition and doesnt really want to dip back into it for mental health reasons
And there could be loads of other reasons too, i just don't really like people assuming things of other peoples mental state and the reasons why they do things, especially when some people are making such a big deal over it.
Similar to how pps very vague about his health issues and people say "oh if they actually mattered he couldve come back already its been 10 years" like chill youre not a doctor, maybe his health issues are a big deal amd deserve him taking it slow.
And yet these people are valid for pps been expressing a will to return to competition for ages and a lack of detail will make people assume, i just dont think i like the situation as a whole
He's also got health problems in general so it'll be a while before he returns
@@Envious_JIGbro I love PP but he's not coming back...
@@tomtomthedestroyer we don't know that yet. I'm not gonna stop hoping until we hear it from the man himself that he's never coming back. And so far he's only said that he'd like to come back but he's just not there yet with health and stuff
I mean out of Mew2King, Armada and PPMD, he's the most likely to come out of retirement and keep up with everyone else competitively. Mew2King is doing great things with coaching, and Armada streams but he isn't keeping up with the game at all. I don't see why Mew2King would want to return and how Armada could make up for his enormously long absence from the game as a whole. PPMD on the other hand is very active in the community and desiring, at least somewhat, to return. Now, of course it is incredibly stressful and he doesn't want to devote himself to the game anymore to the level that he did before, but let's not get too cynical.
@@sticlavoda5632it’s time to give up on that dream man, sorry to say. I love PP too. But after ten years, he’s a lot older now, the competition is extremely fierce. If he couldn’t figure out the health issues for ten years, what’s gonna change?
We all have anxiety and depression. Most of us have physical health problems too, that’s what being an adult human is like. I’m in pain 24/7 and have been for a decade as well. But at a certain point I stopped using it as an excuse and just got the fuck on with my life, gritting my teeth and getting through it. Either he’s going to do it or he’s not, waiting around for his health to magically change is only hurting him.
He needs to let go of the “I’m damaged” shit and just live his life if he wants to be happy. And I’m saying that in regards to life, not playing melee. I don’t even think he should try to compete. Lots of us have serious health issues, we can’t let it stop us from living life. Constantly telling yourself “I can’t because of my disease” or “why am I cursed, I’ll never have a normal life” is just training your subconscious to believe that you can’t do it.
How does the comment section act like PPMD owes them anything lol
If PPMD wanted to play Hbox he could probably message him anytime and play together, and he could probably even set it up being off stream if he wanted. Obviously he doesn't want to play Hbox right now, whether he has mental or physical health problems doesn't even matter, just let PPMD make his own decisions
It’s also puff. Takes a lot more effort to do. Maybe he just wanted to chill
That’s crazy they knew it was each other just from their play style.
Love the amount of respect about eachother
Yeah, it is super refreshing.
I love that the game is so expressive, that they can recognize each other just by how they play.
Out of all the Falcos on Slippi, hbox knew this one was PP.
First time encountering PPMD, seemslike a cool dude. A shame he doesn't compete anymore.
Bro, they can sense each other through their moves!?
This is why melee is goated
PPMD looks like Micheal Bolton from Office Space now
@5:46 water bottle opening tech goes hard
I fucking love they still remember how the other plays
NOOOO WHY DID HE LEAVE
Imagine PP comes back someday to commentate a major like Armada does. Wait, imagine a commentary crew that's literally just PP and Armada
At Genesis 7 PPMD did commentate a game with Chillin but originally it was supposed to be a cast with PP and Armada , but Armada lost his passport
Just wanna say that Hbox losing to ANY Falco on dreamland is crazy especially when bro was killing him off the top and sides
PP’s falco was taking sets off of Hbox’s puff even back in 2015
@l3ftie578 that's almost a decade ago brother. Let that sink in. How much better are players since then. And how much better is Hbox since then. Trust me there are not many people who would even pick Falco against hbox let alone beat him on dreamland with in 2024. The fact that PPs overall skillset has apparently kept up after all this time is impressive.
there r theories he is thinking about coming back right? if his mental is right he is a monster@@Peoples_Champ95
If u think hbox was trying the whole time youre fried
if you only start trying vs. someone when you think you will lose / are losing you deserve to lose@@Polycubism
Pp in his own head as always, just play a little and enjoy the game
bruh you kinda acting parasocial with this dude you don’t know and who doesn’t know you. He’s not asking a lot by not saying anything ab his thought process.
@@Caleb-zl4wkhe's not gunna fuck you bro
Just over 22 years of this game and look at it still flying
pp’s falco is so diff it’s so sick
pp too ego scared he left cmonnn
@@SleepingChimesmind ya business
@@Caleb-zl4wk i do
@@Caleb-zl4wk -guy minding my business
I wish PP never got sick. He was so amazing.
Hbox 1 and doned everyone for years lmao theres literally a meme of him never even playing frieindlies. Idk wtf hes on about, hes just tasting his own medicine
If you think it's the same thing then you're delusional.
It's wild How HBox can just be calmly explaining something and in the background he's just giving the business to someone
I really respect PPMD's discipline with Melee, it's really hard to say "How I interact with this game isn't good for me and what is sustainable for me" and to make change on that. His decision is one that is very personal and unique to him, he clearly loves the game overall, but how he engaged with it needed to change for him, and to not only recognize that but also actually implement it is admirable.
He is always exposed to top play in Melee, with analysis vids, running into top players online, watching tournaments, etc. he is always there just like before. And despite the highs competing brought him in the past when he played at his top level, and the temptation of going back to competing "just for fun" or "one last tournament" being always present by well-intentioned fans, PPMD always respectfully declines and holds true to his decision that the way he interacted with Melee before is not how he wants to do it now.
It's easy to stop when you hate something, it's easy to stop when you hate something AND isn't healthy for you, but it's damn hard to stop when you love something and it isn't healthy, because that's addiction. Mad respect to PPMD for not only his incredible play and tenure with Melee, but also to recognize when it wasn't right anymore and to shift into a way to engage with Melee that is better for him overall.
Glad to see this live from PPs perspective. very fun
People in this comment section and overall the melee community proving that its hilariously immature. What does PPMD owe to Hungrybox? Nothing. What does PPMD owe to anyone? Nothing. So is he lame for leaving after one game? If you're answer is yes, then you are highly judgmental and do not contribute to any positive discourse in the gaming community. ITS NOT EVEN RANKED, ITS UNRAKED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
Hey man, I saw this comment after I responded to your other one. There is definitely quite a bit of immaturity in the community and that's something that I try my best to encourage others to work on. I feel the twitter atmosphere has played a big role in keeping people from having normal mature conversations, but that isn't an excuse. As a community we have plenty of room to improve and we're plenty capable of it.
This isn't a dig or an insult, just trying to be constructive. I don't think that the way you phrased this comment isn't going to do much good as far as getting people to be more mature. I understand where you're coming from though and I agree with the sentiment, it's pretty infuriating seeing people be childish and combative. There are plenty of people like that and it really makes communicating with them difficult. But man it's almost cathartic digging deeper with some of these people to see how they came to believe some wild things or why they're trying to fight. Once you break down those barriers, oftentimes it's a misunderstanding, miscommunication, unsubstantiated rumors they heard, or simply something else in their life had them angry already. Edit: to clarify, I'm no saint. I've snapped back at people and I constantly want to tell people they have horrendously sh1t takes all the time. But man do I regret that urge.
All that said, similarly to PPMD there is no obligation here. I'm not telling you to be everyone's therapist or trying to pressure you into having frustrating conversations. I'm kinda just lightly encouraging you to at least not add to the anger soup that people are drinking. Either way man, I'm with you on hoping it gets better. I just want to watch people play a game where Mario fights Pikachu
If you wanna be so sensitive I will purposefully go out of my way to bully you every day for the rest of my life
It's not that he owes anyone anything. It's that he will never return to competitive and this is sad to see.
A return of PPMD to a tourney would be unbelievable
Without the crowds and announcers.. if you unfocus your vision and zone out just right.. it looks and sounds like a casual match. Dreamlike childhood memory vibes.
I think it’s cool that they can remember each other’s playstyles. Once a god always a god I guess.
2:45 I like how he misreads "PP IS HIM" as "PP, IT'S HIM"
Geez PP’s chat seemed so mean to HBox. PP was just like talking about how good his DI was, playing his best, and chat was like “call him and scream and leave” “I’ve never been so excited to see you win”. Like geez calm down
Was cool to see live.
Watching PPs Falco is so satisfying.
I immediately thought this was like 8 months or 8 years ago but no… it was 8 dayssssssss ago 😅
Impressed Hbox figured out it was pp, the inverse isn't near as hard to figure out since it's an elite green headband puff with a very distinct playstyle, like there's no one it could be BESIDES Hbox. Meanwhile, a more common main like Falco or Fox is MUCH harder to ID (unless it's M2K), but even then, pp's signature neutral game was enough of a tell for Hbox to notice.
Nostalgic moment, dude.
melee never dies god I love this game and its community
Feel like Hbox read chat and saw someone say it’s PP then say I think it’s PP and then HBOX was real upset he left lol
Always good to see some PP-bird action :D
The unexpected rematch of all time.
Pp always gets terrified on unranked with top players its so silly
Only play top players one game.
Back to beating scrubs lol
dude pp is moving like no other falco, holy fucking shit.
Falco vs Jiggs must be a nightmare
It’s not as bad as people think, if the skill level is equal
People don't even think it's bad? Lol it's pretty even
It's not that it's that bad, it's just that fox is that much easier
I think HBOX and PP both agree falco wins slightly
These reads are god-tier.
Honestly 90% of this comment section is going 0-2
Knowing that ppmd and hbox both play unranked is why I'm never going into matches blind 🤣
Hbox is more willing to lie than any other top melee player ever.
PP leaving after one game is so PP.
i'm going to cry
Man, imagine getting so good at your favorite game that you need to step away from it because the attention stresses you out
@ 01:00 hbox: talking about Panama
Pp: cooming
Kevin come on man
Everybody gangsta untill hbox starts rushing with puff
“Oh I wasn’t locked in”
Dang, PP looks ten years younger than he did 10 years ago lol
PP was getting cold pains from the warm up round xD
the forward air is so vintage ppmd
hungry box looks like jiggly puff irl
PPMD will always be my favorite player, I hope one day he returns and puts falco back at nr2 on the tierlist
What Hbox said at the end is so real. I LOVE Melee, it's one of my favorite games of all time. But god damn. I would NEVER try to be a top Melee player. In terms of work needed, this is by far the closest an Esport comes to traditional pro sports. You need to straight up dedicate your entire life if you want to be great.
Nothing to see here only two dudes in the moment
Hate when this happens in any sort of game, I start getting a little bored and play casually laying back until I realize my opponent is pretty good so I start trying more but it’s already too late as I’m in a deficit and then they just one and done. Pretty annoying.
He did not wanna lock in 😂
Even though this is online Hbox, it just goes to show you PPMD's skillset as a God can still hang where Xbox on rank gives many others a hard time.
i swear that was such a good match
Kevin come on dude - hbox
4:55 real talk
6:25 Venezuela/DarKaRo jumpscare
hbox with a long drawn-out spiel at the end just to diplomatically say "other gods are pussies and scared to lose"
A Falco that's been retired for a decade just drifting in out of nowhere to smoke him on Dreamland, then disappearing with the wind & not even giving him a chance to redeem himself
people dont know the difference between ironic humor and funny take-thats on this comment section is rather worrying lmao
“His DI’s gotten better for sure” yeah being #1 for three years in a row does that 😂
it was so sad that the two final gods had to fight eachother for top 8 at GX lol
My respects to PP, it is so stressful play against puff. It takes courage to recognize oneself's limitations and he was just casually playing in his twitch channel.
The leave felt a lil scummy