Was This Melee God Actually Good?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- How good was Kevin "PPMD" Nanney Actually?
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How good do you think PPMD would be if he competed today?
i think he'd do decently considering all the new tech and obviously not being in his prime but if ppmd really wanted to start competing again i think he would do fairly well kinda like how hax came back ever since he got banned and started getting good results in tournament
Probably quite, not top 5 but def top 50 at least
Are you asking with the presumption that he kept playing the game and never retired or that he retired and came back to compete right at this moment?
Top 100
I think he would still be making top 8s. If not top 4 consistently.
The thing of PPMD is :
- He was the other player beside ARMADA AND MANG0 that could win a tourament when all GODS WERE THERE
- PPMD WAS THE LAST PLAYER TO WIN A TOURNAMENT with the 5 Gods + Leffen and it was on 2015 , 8 YEARS AGO
- AT HIS PEAK , HE WAS UNPARALLED. He had a positive record vs everyone during the 2014 early year
- His neutral was unmatch. When PPMD played it that way , he looked unotuchable
- He was also the best player at the Marth ditto. PPMD 4 stock M2K's marth on FD and it was not even close.
- Pretty much the main guy pushing Falco against the floaties , something that Mang0 would not bother to do
- Also , he is one of the very few players that could beat both peak Armada and peak Mang0
- In addition to that , the guy got a 6 months hiatus after the summer of 2014 , cameback on Apex 2015 and won it against all odds.
- STACK IT UP , STACK IT UP , STACK IT UP
This was great to read! Thanks for the info 😍
I feel like If PPMD stayed in that 2014 form and kept playing to this day I don’t think Armada or Hboxs reign wouldn’t have been as dominate
A little louder for the PEOPLE IN THE BACK 🗣️🗣️🗣️ PPMD Kreygasm
@@daxmoney5011 Exactly! I say it all the time. Armada and Hbox are outstanding, no doubt. But had PPMD stayed in the game in good form, it would be a different era lol. MUCH different. Armada hated playing vs him, Mang0 got confused playing him, he's 1-1 with Leffen, Hbox struggled with him back to back, and M2k probably has the most loses to him (M2K juggled Melee and Brawl/Smash 4 so much respect to him and I get why he'd win the fewest Melee majors). PPMD was a fuckin beast....
To top it off, PP lived in a secluded area with no one near his skill level to practice with. He got good on his own by studying videos and playing on his own
“You ever think you’re playing bad, because I’m making you play bad?” -PPMD
Hell of a quote 😂
Who did he say this to again? Armada right?
@@MrShadow1995.It was Mango if I remember correctly, he's an ego-eddie.
@blayne7109 nah I understand and it does make sense and sound like something he'd say lol
It may sound a little corny, but I'm not sure I'd still be alive if it weren't for him speaking openly about his mental health issues. I was going through some tough stuff at the time and didn't open up myself until I saw him doing it. Always been a huge fan of the guy - STACK IT UP
I’m so glad you’re here and you got inspiration from pp ❤️
🌽
If it saved a life, it's not corny.
@@IAMMRONALDgo waddle away some where
I played Kevin for many years during this time period, I'm from NC so he came to all our locals and we used to ride with him to all the majors. I can safely say having played all of the "Gods" from this time period, as well as all the lesser sung top 20 - 50 ranked players, without a doubt in my mind, Kevin is the best from the era. His top gear is absolutely unrivaled from an intellect perspective; it was like fighting an AI generated infinite hitbox machine. His execution was virtually flawless, he took no time to warm up, and his combos were as concise or as long as he wanted them to be. I was very technical and tight at my peak, and Kevin was in a league nearly by himself, rivaled only by like peak Armada and current Zain.
Well said Josh 👍
STACK IT UP
@@oceanwaves83God bless you my friend, hope all is well!
So considering the amount of experience you have playing against top competition, I'm curious
Why the five gods were so good compared to the rest? For example players 6-50?
I have no doubt the actual answer is a combination of multiple factors, but some come into my mind
Was it natural talent/adeptness to become really good at the game?
Did the gods grind the game harder than everyone else? Did they practice harsher opposition and that way gained the edge?
Or was their way of approach smarter, better, more analytical?
Was their mental fortitude stronger, so they could keep their shit together and deal with the pressure of competing at the very highest
echelons, year after year?
The inner fire burnt hotter, pushing them to their best, to win time and time again?
You know he’s good when the creator himself had to balance patch PP’s wrists.
thank you for making this, theres a lot of people ive heard say "was PP really that good?" and yes, yes he was
Exactly why I made it! Slippi players have no idea how good he was. I started playing in 2014 and only got to see him in person once! (Genesis 3)
God, I love PP. He is such a good dude and used to be an absolute killer in tournament. I play Falco and Marth because of him. I was going through mental health issues around 2015 and when PP occasionally made update videos, I saw that he was describing things that I was feeling and that I was working on with my mental health coach. Love him to this day. His stream is also fun and chill to watch and playing against him is always exciting (though I get dunked on every time lol)
PPMD was that fucking guy. when everything was clicking, his Falco was absolute peak Melee. pure artistry.
ppmd definitely represents the golden years of smash, was a treat to follow his journey over the years in competition. Love the storytelling and accuracy in this video! however, there is a lot to be desired for me personally on how good he actually was - this part felt short compared to the history part.
Thank you so much! I’m glad you got to relive some of his glory moments! I def could have added to it, just didn’t want to botch any of his time in the competitive scene
Eh, I think the results speak for themselves (a la why he went so in depth with the history). Asking how good he was after watching this video seems rhetorical and a bit silly.
@@Chiplinked respectfully, this was more of a good recap video of his legacy. im not the only one who thought this. when you title something in such a way you expect the question to be answered but this one has room for improvement on addressing it. for someone whos watched his play over the years already, was kinda interested in seeing a deeper dive on the more analytical parts of his playstyle that sets him apart from others (can even compare it to current players)
@@sailorisa I see exactly what you’re saying. From that perspective of a deep dive of why he was so great, an analysis type video would’ve made a lot of sense in explaining that. You’re longing for that makes sense
I guess I see it from one layer less further. From a perspective one step further back - he was clearly as good as he was based off his results and accolades alone which is absolutely worth explaining in a video. I think this vid is equally valuable in explaining PPMDs dominance to the average viewer who lacks understanding on how good he was from that particular framework
@@sailorisa sorry if claiming your comment seemed “silly” btw that may have come off as rude
What I would give to go back in time and see an Evo with all gods live in person.
There are sop many players I miss seeing. Crush, PPMD, M2K, Drugged Fox, PewPewU, Swedish Delight. etc.. There are so many old players I miss. Crush is probably my most missed mostly because he has just disappeared.
That’s right when I was getting into melee. I only ever saw genesis 3 live in person and it was my favorite major of all time. Was so cool to see for the first time. I miss a lot of them too
Damn those days. Duck Samus, Westballz, Mike Haze, Silent Wolf, Syrox, Ice, Santi, Abate and so many more. Bring me back
I remember walking past the battle of the five Gods venue as it was happening and thinking "I'll just go next year" as I was doing SXSW stuff at the time. Boy what a mistake that was.
Damnnn that’s so crazy! Yeah sadly we never got another one 😭
PPMD not only got me into playing Melee but is the reason I play Falco.
That’s so sick! He inspired a ton of players. Glad we got ya 😄
I really needed this video, I only started watching smash when ult came out despite being a fan since melee. To me PPMD was an enigma, and I never truly could see him fitting with the other five gods, this video really helped put into perspective how good he was. Thanks!
The spark might be gone to create another one but I truly believe if, the community wished for it, this year we could crown the new 5 gods of melee. I understand the complex feelings with both Mango and Hbox still competing so I am not exactly advocating for it but... I would not mind the idea of the a storyline with Cody, Jmook, Zain, and Amsa rising to such status with hopefully Mango and Hbox still with them
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah I wanted to make it for a lot of people who didn’t get to see how good he really was. I only ever saw him at one tournament (genesis 3) and I e been playing since 2014. We def will be crowing new gods absolutely. Some people said they should have crowned during leffen Plup and zains reign as well. Leff and Plup are being replaced with jmook and Cody now
That Bad Moon Rising part was legendary, an amazing goodbye to Team Catfish
was a sick ass tournament. I hope we get it again :O
Apex 2015 grand finals was my favorite Melee set when I started watching the game in 2016. You can see the moment between games where PPMD smiles and nods like he's figured something out and then takes the last set 3-0.
Such a great tournament. Insane how he was able to take it as well
Every time I've heard a certain content creator (coughcoughConeycoughcough) question why Kevin was one of the 5 gods always rubbed me the wrong way. The dude was and IS a legend in Melee and was easily my favorite of them to watch play. Ty for this video.
Glad you enjoyed it. No doubt he is one of the best to ever do it. People who question it are whack
I fucking love that picture of him draped in the American flag.
Such a solid pic. It’s legendary lol
PPMD was the beak at its peak.
He really was! Mang0 does it, but they are just so different styles
I went to a north carolina local back in 2010 and had the privilege of being destroyed by his mario, although he already had a legendary falco by that point. That is a memory I cherish all these years later!
That’s so sick! Thanks for sharing that 😄
Love me some PPMD. I think it he came in blind, he'd have the skill level of about a top 20-top 15 player. But if he got to a good mental and physical health place, I could totally see him ending a ranking year at top 10 after just a few months of consistent tournament attendance.
That would be really cool to see! Who knows if we will ever get it though
7:26 that’s a reasoning I can really get behind, I used to do the same thing on overwatch, using more aim intensive heroes when I was feeling myself/really wanted to dominate and something like mercy to get my head into the game
That’s so sick!
Back in the era of the 5 gods, Hbox was the god whose status was questioned the most. No one ever questioned PP's status when mang0 and armada were only scared to play him or each other. You never knew when PP was going to pop off. Plus he basically made the modern Falco & Marth neutral games. Falco's fast-fall laser, and Zain-style dash dances are easy examples of this.
What do you mean short hop double laser
Dude was a legend. Sad I only saw the tail end of him competing
@@hibernate44 I mean when Falco does a short hop laser, and then fastfalls and lasers again.
It's something most good Falcos do nowadays, and PP was the one who made it popular years ago. Same way he made the Zain-style dash dances on Marth popular.
@@JeramiJoseph Yeah I missed his early years too. People questioning his god status now has to be some of the biggest "recency bias" I've seen though...
I remember by the time aMSa was playing , it was a safe bet that Armada/mang0 was going to win any major, unless PP showed up and popped off lol.
Gotta shout out EG for supporting pp through his absence related to health issues, they stuck with him for so long
I was super shocked and happy for him to see that. What a dope ass org
9:34 NewAgeRetroHippie/Pichi in crowd.
Amazing quality on this homie. New here, just saw your channel, but can’t wait for some more uploads!
Thank you so much! Very excited to hear stuff like this. Appreciate it ❤️
Its cool that before the more modern Era of Melee, we had displays of the potential of each character within the top 4 characters within the 5 gods. As well as displaying that dual maining/counter picking is absolutely a viable option. Displayed by every God except Hbox.
Sure, PP's career was cut short on the precipice of a new era. But stil displaying a good showing against some of the worlds best for a few years is better than most people's entire career. So I'll always have respect for the guy.
That’s so true. We had such a sick range in the top dawgs
Really says a lot how many clips there are of PP losing a match and the opponent like Hbox looking like they dodged a bullet until they turn and see him smiling with his hand out
Rename this to how good was PPMD, especially to make this easier to find on your channel.
Great series btw.
Yeah I had it as that but it performed better after it changed. I’ll probably change it back since it really leveled out. But got them all in a playlist which is good!
Appreciate it dawg ♥️
These videos are fantastic. Still remember watching some of these matches live
Thank you so much! I remember a lot of them live too when I was first getting into smash
His peak was the highest peak in melee. Yes even over Armada.
I love PPMD! He was my favorite melee competitor for Super Smash Bros Melee on the Nintendo GameCube!
Ppmd was a damn dope competitor!
PP will forever be my favorite melee player. Watching his falco stack it up against mang0 at kings of cali is the reason I fell in love with the game
That’s so sick! Really cool he inspired you to play!
I remember he streamed slippi with Cody about a year or two ago. He was almost holding up with Cody. I bet he could make top 8 at a big tournament if he came back
That would be super sick to see! Maybe one day 👀
I only got to enjoy him at Summit, G3, and Five Gods, but I enjoyed what he brought to the table
It is unfortunate considering the golden age where he could have not only made a decent profit, but built a sizeable platform like most of the top players have for when he would walk away
True that. Maybe one day he will come back though 👀
He’s the most inspirational and interesting to watch for me along with Hbox. PPMD is both an inspiration for people with mental health problems, and a sick as fuck player as well.
Glad you find inspiration from these players! Super cool to see
I think the obvious testament of PPMD’s strength as a player is in him taking a game off cody in online friendlies. Sure it means little compared to tournament play and I’m certain PP wouldn’t beat Cody in a tourney, but the thing that was interesting was that he was playing in a dated play-style yet it still happened to work against one of the best players at the time.
As Cody put it, “this guy’s punishes are terrible but he’s really smart.”
And that’s basically the core of it. PPMD is really good at figuring out opponent habits and exploiting them. This is part of what makes him so good at neutral.
Regardless of skill and meta, the strategy of getting into another player’s head remains just as effective. And he was always prepared to play opponents to high percents and finishing them off to compensate for a less than optimal punish game.
So I feel like out of all the retired gods, PPMD would have fewer changes to make to his game plan to be competitive again. Having a godlike neutral just serves you much better when you’re surrounded by demons who have cracked flowcharts on the defense and on the offense.
This was such a sick analysis of ppmd running into Cody. I’d love to see pp play more top guys today!
Apex 2015 was the first tourney i watched since the first ROM and got me back into the game. Melee is better with him in any capacity and im just glad he's doin his thing and enjoying himself
That’s super sick! So glad he’s here too. Glad we still have pp even if he isn’t competing!
Maaaaan, Apex 2015 still gets me fired up.
One of the best tournaments ever!
he only had a winning average against m2k, but even just winning a few tournaments over the other gods in the era makes him a god. Plus the b2b Apex wins are amazing and there's no argument in my mind. Those apex tournaments were amazing to watch at the time.
Those Apex tournaments were so sick 😭 apex 2015 was one of the first majors I saw and wow
BMR2 was in 2017? Shit, it seems like only a few years ago. That set vs Crunch and Hbox was honestly the hypest I've ever been.
I feel the same. It was already like 6 years ago wtf 😭
That Leffen pic was dirty lmao
Had to do it to em 😂
As a doc kid, PP quickly became my favorite player when I first discovered the scene.
That’s so hype. Doc kid crew 😍
That leffen picture almost made me spill my coffee
LOL
2:48 cracked me up ngl
Really glad to hear 😄
This man wrote the book on mind games, and being surgical.
Mango wrote the first book, but PPMD AND m2k definitely wrote the latter.
@@ismelljello Technically M2K wrote the book for frame data, labbing and grinding
He’s fucking sick
PPMD is #8 on my all time list. The only thing missing from his legacy is a year-end #1.
He's #7 on mine. It's really unfortunate his health didn't hold because I would bet he would have thrown a huge wrench in the Armada Hbox years
@@Hyperion856 oh for sure. One thing I truly believe in is there never would've been people doubting falco in the puff matchup with PP around. His style worked so well on floaties, he was called the floaties slayer for a reason.
I'll 2nd that. He didn't really have any time period where he was super dominant. If he had done better in the years he won apex, I'd be more willing to put him top 5
Mango, Armada, Hbox, Leffen, M2k and Plup and Ken (?) would be above him I’m guessing?
@@Supertaldo916 I have Plup below PP. Mang0, Armada, Hbox, M2K, Ken, Zain, and Leffen are all above him on my list.
Easily top 8 today, Still one of the only players who can switch characters mid set. In general really understated how good he actually was/is.
I’d love to see it 👀
Funny I used to only use mario in smash bros, now I mix it up more.
When I started to watch Melee I was treated to PP run on apex that was such a ride
Same here! Apex 2015 was one of the first majors I watched!
I miss this era
Me too! Always fun to look back on though ♥️
Yaaaay! PPMD🔥!! Love your video ❤️
Thank you so much! He needs some love these days
At the only super major I’ve been to Genesis 3 I got his autograph super nice a guy and considering how he stopped competing I’m super happy I asked then
I’m so jelly. Genesis 3 was my first major and I wish I had pictures with so many players to look back on. I’ve only ever taken a pic with one top player 😭
It was glorious, y’all have no idea
I am just wondering, is this video in the style of Launder's cs player's series?
Never seen it! Could he coincidence that it’s similar. I got it based off watching a football video and how they went over retired nfl athletes and how good they actually were
i have always wished there was some sort of consolidated timeline made for PPMD, being one of the most loved figures in the scene. i started playing just as he was on his way out competitively, so his elusive, relatively shorter and earlier impact always left me wishing i could have a better scope of the timing and intensity of his reign. seriously, thank you such much for making this video, it is great.
Very happy you enjoyed it! Really appreciate you telling me. I felt a lot of people missed out on pp and only have heard the name etc. I only ever caught the tail end of his career as well since i started in 2014. Glad to do the research on him and watch the vid come to life around him!
PPMD's neutral game was crazy
His neutral is fucking insane
That was the worst photo of Leffen.
Oops
Wow S2J,Axe and Lucky have all beaten 4 gods that’s insane.
They just couldn’t beat one… armada
LMAOOO WHAT IS THAT LEFFEN PIC 4:43
It’s a legendary pic lol
Favorite player of all time
Me: Ah. Whatever. Never played Smash beyond casual. It's not my thing.
Also me: Must watch every piece of SSBM documentation known to man. 😐
really freaking good
He’s so good. And still is 😂
Best of his time for falco
His bird was something else
PPMD will always be the GOAT in my book. I always found myself rooting for PPMD whenever he was playing.
He’s hype to watch for sure! I wish I got to see more of him competing, I only caught the tail end
4:41 godlike pic
Had to do it to em
4:43 Just what is going on with Leffen's hair here?
I think he was mid haircut lol
He’ll be back
That’d be so dope
The reason I main falco and Marth. I’ll never do it justice like pp does tho haha
Don’t worry homie. Non of us will. He’s so sick 😂
I’m never considering Leffen a
5 God.
He never was 😂
I miss the Era of the Five Gods!
Me too! But we are almost having another gods resurgence!
oh my FUCKING GOD I LOVE JERAMI CONTENT
JESUS CHRIST
I fucking love you. Thank you 😍
oh i wonder how hax is doing vs ppmd at ML- JESUS CHRIST
@@AlexOfTheYeeFamily LOL
STACK IT UP!
Such a sick chant
4 stocking M2K multiple times... who does that
The terminator himself. UGS Armada!
3:39 D:
“Most tragic moment in smash bros history”
my opinion: his falco would be washed in todays meta, sadly. but his marth could prob do it
2014 and 2015 don't look that far away, but man really enjoyed watching those sets. I wouldn't say it was peak melee but definitely was a great time to be an spectator!
I miss those times too! Apex 2015 was one of the first majors I watched. Super exciting stuff. Wow
Very good
He’s insane!
how will this video affect armada's legacy?
Give me a week and I’ll have another video for ya 👀
PPMDKreygasm
Had to include it of course
@@JeramiJoseph It's the law
@@GarnitrexGaming true that 😂
STACK IT UP PPMD ONE OF THE GREATS1
Such a sick chant too!
questioning ppds creds just outs you as a child lol
Fucking true that
yes
Hell yeah he was
Very
True that
Adam stopped playing in 2018 and i'd say he would have to grind heavily to compete now... PPMD would stand no chance if he wasn't serious about competing, tbh.
I think him and M2K are better off just making content, Kevin suffers from depression and i don't think his self-worth should come from a 20 year old game (and M2K is not happy unless he gets 1st).
So theres this guy named dr.peepee...
Exactly 😂
holy shit are you KempQ? listen to his voice and tell me it doesnt sound eerily similar lmao
I don’t hear it hahaha. I do love me some RuneScape though. My old tag before switching to my name was Scape though lol. Super cool you saw a connection though
Why did ZeRo wear a scarf all the time?
He doesnt compete with the modern players
Really? I def think he could. Don’t think he’d take a major, but I think he’d do well in todays era
My fave player ever😢
he was such a cool competitor!
PPMD inspired me to start playing. Also he beat Cody on unranked recently and he barely plays. Yes he could easily be top 10 again.
That’s so hype! I’d love to see him compete again and see how he does. I’m just not sure if we will get that!
Yes.
Damn right!
PP is my GOAT
He’s fucking sick
Put respect on his name
If you watched the video I did
@@JeramiJoseph after clickbaiting yeah
@@nickescobar6786 was this melee god actually good? He was great. A god even! Can’t give any more respect than that 😏
@@JeramiJoseph it was phrased to question if he was good at all, with you getting views from it. Just calling a spade a spade
@@nickescobar6786 I’m not disagreeing with you lol. You just told me to put respect on his name. Which I did 😂 people who never saw pp live who play these days question how good he was and even if he was a melee god. My video answers, yeah he was.
Ppmd is good at the game so yeah
Is this title actually click bait?
Nope! I talk about how good he really was. A lot of new people have gotten into smash since pp was active. I wanted to show that he really was on top with all the other gods dominating back then. Some people today have questioned it which is wild
dr pipi
Don't damage another crt again or there will be consequences
LOL don’t worry. It was from another video at least 😂
CONTROL
Good? He was incredible.
The title of your video asks a question that it doesn't answer or attempt to answer. It also doesn't say anything new that hasn't been already many times been said about PP's career.
Did you watch the whole thing? I didn’t say anything really new, as there isn’t anything new to say. He’s been retired since 2016. What else can I say that hasn’t been said? However, I was able to research and centralize that info in a hopefully entertaining way.
@@JeramiJoseph Yes, I did.
@@incarnate1 hell yeah