The Story of Leviathan Explained - Why is the 8th eikon not awakened - Final Fantasy 16
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I guess Leviathan Dominant is the baby of the pregnant woman they saved.
Ifrit was never seen before so he's not passed down any line at all as far as we know. He awakened in Clive bc he is Ultima's vessel, not because of pure bloodlines. He also awakened at 15 as a teenager, not a full blown adult. The phoenix is, before Ifrit it awakened, the ONLY eikon of fire and only awakens in the Rosfield line. I also find it strange you called Joshua Sanbreqois nobility....like straight up most of the things you say in this video make no sense.
I was thinking the same thing while watching. Not all of this info is correct. Also, my personal theory, is that Clive only awakened Ifrit because of Joshua priming into the Phoenix. Whenever clive is around an Eikon that just primed, his head starts ringing and Ifrit comes out. Ehich also explains why in the 5 year skip Clive mentions he couldn't use Ifrit. Cuz it only comes out against other Eikons, as is its purpose
@@treefolk0 which would make sense since, as ultima's vessel that needs to be complete, it has to absorb the other eikons
Ifrit was seen in the ancient murals. Phoenix was only a part of the eikon of fire. Ifrit, and by extension True Ifrit(where he merges with Phoenix) is the true eikon of fire.
Remember when Hugo, in his Titan form, eats a piece of the mother crystal he drinks in its raw aether and transforms into a brainless monstrosity at a scale that dwarfs the very mountain he spawned out of. The name of this Boss fight changes from that of Titan, to a new name Titan Lost. This could be very much what happened to Leviathan as well. AKA the dominant and the eikon existed at one point but due to some unknown circumstances, the eikon or its dominant attempted to absorb a portion of this mother crystal and became a raging mindless calamity of the seas that needed to end up being put down as a result. Such a tale as to the fate of Leviathan seems completely voided from all historical teachings on Valesthia so it could be that it was Ultima itself that had to intercede and wiped away the rouge Eikon, that would explain not only its erasure from the world of Valesthia but also any mention of it from the realms historical texts.
Wow you just blew my mind!!! I didnt even noticed that he becomes titan the lost!!
To add on to this theory, Every Crystal is said to match a dominant and one crystal. All the crystals are supposedly attached to an element. It was said that the harvested aether that held each element is what caused certain bearers to awaken with an eikon and so we only have 5 crystals in the game when we start. Fire, light, dark, earth, and one more that we don’t know the element of (could be wind or lighting). We are told the blight erases the northern territories crystals but Jill being the princess of that region awakened as ice so that’s 6. And considering ash has been nearly eviscerated by the blight with it all claiming the southern half, most likely wind or lighting Crystal was there (I believe they say that crystal disappeared but I can’t fully recall) since both cid and beneditka served under barnabas. All that to say there’s only 7 Crystals for 7 elements but we know there’s an 8. But actually we know the 8th, Dzemeykias. It was a crystal and it was smites by Ultima when the fallen rose up against him and were too “greedy” so what I believe to have happened is leviathan was the first dominant to awaken and the fallen and leviathan drank the crystal and tried to fight against Ultima who smiled them leaving the fall of dzemeykias and basically eliminated the fallen. It would explain why no one knows leviathan, why the full tapestry is only found in ash where a lot of the circle of Malius church people escaped, why the clan was wiped out, and why Joshua is the only one who mentions leviathan because he has heavily researched history to find answers for Ultima.
Of course this all could just be 100 percent wrong but that’s what I think and DLC can be the fallen and that instance
Thing is Ultima was in a slumber until Clive became ifrit's dominant, though not sure since when cause he was being depicted during the Fallen era, unless Leviathan Lost disappearance was during that era but that would be way too long ago so i dont know.
Tbh I believe bennedikta Cid and Barnabas killed leviathan due to their history together
@@Itachiflameamaterasuwe're not sure of that because they more likely waited from that time. During the Sin of Dzemeskis, the Fallen atempt to take it and Ultima brought them down along with the crystal. Which is the huge crater in the center of the map.
I always figured it had something to do with the giant crater outside of the Crimson Caravan town. This story blew me away. I hope they release more stories of this caliber.
Yes it has..next video will discuss the crater
FF14 is a story of this caliber should try it out if haven’t.
@@Zazzaro703 I’ve tried it, but I don’t have any friends who will play it with me so I don’t wanna pay monthly just to play alone :(
@asneakylawngnome5792 I've played through the main game and the first 2 expansions alone, no need for other people really
The moment Joshua said “leviathan the lost” I was livid, cause it would have been so cool to see in this game, I’d gladly trade Garuda for Leviathan, in terms of what they could have done. 15 made leviathan seem like the ultimate summon lol, so I’m just like damn we couldn’t have at least seen a fight where it died idk just seeing it would have been awesome
Let's hope it shows up in the DLC.
FFXV's story was complete ass. The town's President was all like "If you awaken Leviathan then he'll destroy the city. I won't bear that responsibility. But I'll let you do it, you just have to help with evacuations."
What fucking sense does that make??? And why was it so important to awake Leviathan in the first place? It never factored into the story after that point.
@@KillaD69 You make it sound as if FF has never had any poorly planned plot moments before xD Definitely not exclusive to just 15.
@@KillaD69 no I just meant like the scale In which that fight took place it was so cool having leviathan be that massive and destructive, story wise yeah that whole sequence made no sense from what I remember and it started the extremely linear path to the end it was a weird choice
I was pissed off too because I held out hope that it would show for way too long. I don’t see the point of including it in official art only to mention in such a superficial way. It basically sums up my entire XVI experience: promised a lot, delivered on little.
I believe that Leviathan is no longer present because it's mother crystal - Dzemekys - was destroyed in the past. At least that's what I understood from the lore.
That's me thought too, each major Eikon (except Ifrit that is the container that need to absorb them all) is linked to a mothercrystal. They took time to manifest because the crystal first need to absorb a certain amount of ether. With the Dzemekys crystal gone there is no longer a "battery" for Leviathan, and that's why is "lost". I believe that every time we destroy a crystal we also destroy the possibility for the linked Eikon to "reincarnate" in a new dominant after the current one dies.
This is correct, that is why a dlc about leviathan can only occur in the past of the main story.
@@MarcelloGarini i agree, eikons do consume alot of aether
idk if this affect anyone or not but just in case
(SPOILERS)
which is why after the credit scene the mother talks to her children of clive and the eikons as fairytail not as history. implying that such things never existed
@@MarcelloGariniI think that could explain why Cid and Jill are the weaker dominants. If we assume the crystal in the Dominion is Garuda's, then it's Ramuh and Shiva's crystals that are gone.
But how come Shiva still manifested? Drake's Eye mother crystal was already destroyed but Shiva still awakened in Jill
Valisesthia is one part of the larger world in FF XVI, it is possible Leviathan being a sea creator and only select a tribe that is sea fairers or pirate tribe. In a DLC we may explore a new area or it is possible leviathan lays slumber in the dark crater of the battle where the "Gods" once fought near the Dominion. If examined closely from the Dahmelkian side of the border, it looks like there are some structures or paths along the walls of the crater.
Yeah. There’s a side quest that goes into some detail on that too. The NPC says something like part of it looks like something cut part of it right down the middle. I can’t remember the quest name but it was 3 different historical points it covered. It really got me thinking.
This video aged like fine wine
CAUSE THERES AN EXPANSION/DLC OF FINAL FANTASY 16 AND IT HAS LEVIATHAN AS A PLAYABLE EIKON ABILITY 💀
hhahaha yes
also my story about the fallen
The Iron Kingdom actively sought and slayed their Dominant. Jill still had access to Shiva despite the crystal in the Northern Territories having been destroyed for at least over a decade. Eikons may be tied to the crystals in general but not specifically. The Dominant of Leviathan could have awakened around Twinside or the Iron Islands. As an addition, the reason the city on the water was called Twinside isn't because its central location but because there used to be two Mothercrystals situated close to each other, the towering one looming over Twinside, and the former crystal located at Dzemekys.
You didn't spend much time talking with NPCs, did you?
When you reach Northreach there's a group of NPCs talking about a sea monster pointing at a frozen giant structure north-west of Sanbreque, looking at the world map it points at the north region, leviathan probably lies over there, it may be entrapped in ice by an old shiva dominant. If it's still frozen this may explain why it's not awakened in a new dominant, cause it's still alive buried in ice.
There are 3 missing crystals in the game, one was destroyed by waloed and Odin, one in dzemekys by ultima against the fallens, there's no mention about the reason why the north crystal is missing, a fight between shiva and leviathan may explain both the missing crystals, the reason why we didn't get a chance to explore that region, the disappearance of leviathan.
I dont understand why no one reads the tomes. it says in there explicitly that ultimas vessel is ifrit risen all the other eikons are considered lesser and only exist to test the suitability of mythos. all these theories just ignore the games lore. why no leviathan probably cause the line no longer exists.
So... Who's gonna tell em
@@-nexusxv-8514 I saw the trailer, I am ready
With the ending having Clive lying on the beach, that would be a great start to a DLC about Leviathan, maybe the dominant showing up there to save Clive.
Clive is dead bro
@@svarta1180no he’s alive
@@svarta1180 he is dead as much as he is alive lol. Right now Clive is schrodinger's cat. He can be dead or he can be alive we do not know because we can not obverse it ourselves
Don’t over complicate it he is alive
@@TheNamezZsays?
My theory:
Levianthan DLC will be on the past. If you read the lore about Dzemekys falls, its say that once, was a mothercrystal there, and makind challenge god. The battle was devasted, and in the end, god wins.
In the age of the Fallen, man, hoping to claim the power of the gods, laid siege to the crystal in an attempt to gain entry to its aether-rich heart. Rather than attempt to fend off the assault, he instead responded by destroying the Mothercrystal and its heart-the great crater left behind standing as a reminder of man’s hubris.
Leviathan Eikon rebel againts Ultima and got defeated. Ultima then banished him for all eternity for his "sin". He say to Clive in the final battle that he will make Clive suffer for all eternity because of his sin.
Thats why Ultima dont use Levianthan's power, why "God" is gonna use a power from a sinner/traitor?
If he is call the lost, its because no one saw him in a long time...
The Levianthan and Ultima is similiar to God and Lucifer.
One sentence is kind of confusing "Rather than attempt to fend off the assault, he instead responded by destroying the Mothercrystal and its heart" Is the "he" Ultima ? because "the power of the gods" indicated plural gods. I would like to know why simply destroy the crystal vs fend off the attack of mankind? Also, I believe Leviathan Eikon that rebelled against Ultima, is reincarnated into the little girl that sold potions/saved Dion
@@treyyoung226 Yea, the He is Ultima. And we need to keep in mind that this is a tale told by humans, the facts could be a little wrong.
At the end of game, Clive has ended all magic, dominant and eikons.. so, i dont think the DLC will be a sequel, but, if they choose the dlc to be a sequel, the girl that save Dion and the baby from that pregnant woman from Walaed are the strong candidates to be the new eikon
If you notice the Crystal locations "Drakes head, drake's spine" etc. It implies that Valisthea is located ontop of an ancient dragon. Maybe Leviathan is living underneath the land.
aaah beautifully noticed!! i didnt think of this
My guess is that leviathan already awoke, before the story, and was maybe relevant to ultima awakening from their slumber and drakes eyes falling into the sea. Maybe we will see him in a dlc about valisthea past, how jil and torgall ended up in rosarias...maybe torgal mother was a companion to this dominant, and he was essential to clive aeaken as the mithos
I like this a lot..i think you very close to what we will see in dlc
Plot twist the Leviathan dominant was actually
Uncle Byron
THATS MY BOY!
I suspect that Leviathan could be linked to a clan of people from the 2 islands to the West on the map. They are shown completely blackened by the blight, and are never visited in the game.
Nah man that western part was already referenced in the game. It was home to that weirdo priest guy who captured Jill and made her fight for them or else they would kill kid bearers. One of the mothercrystals were there. I forgot the name of it tho. It was the one where they explored the volcano and there was lava everywhere
Leviathan might not be the only eikon explored in potential dlc. Yoshi P stated in an interview that he was wanting to find a way to intergrate Alexander and his time powers as well.
Alexander !! Need that
That makes sense about Alexander but isn't his powers Holy?
@@robbiewilson3820 yea but Bahamut actually has that element in this game so they are going the ff14 route were Alexander is a time based Eikon. At least that's what he wants to do, a lot of ideas were tossed around so for all we know it will never come to pass.
or both? Ifrit and Phoenix are both fire... Eikons, maybe explore the duality a little idk
@@byksEBM yeah because much of the Summons have similar elements but different ways to execute their powers. For example, Odin and Anima are both are darkness.
1 correction. Ifrit isn't a thing. The Eikon of fire is Phoenix. That's why it was such a big deal when the 2nd Eikon of fire, Ifrit, was awakened. I wouldn't mind seeing Leviathan, but when you count Ifrit and Phoenix with the others, that makes 8. It's possible thats what was meant by 8
No I as Jill said 8 eikons or wardens for 8 elements . (Fire Ice Water Wind Lightning Earth Light and Dark) . Joshua replies but you are special to Clive .
I for one actually like the absence of Leviathan. It adds mystery to the history Valisthea and allows for speculation as to what happened to them. While it would have been cool to see Leviathan, I do not mind them not being in the game as that would have overly bloated the story as to why a Dominant of Leviathan is doing what they are doing, who's side they are on, and etc.
I do however the blight was used more like fighting in blighted areas where you had to use your innate skill rather than rely on the Eikons, and while it's stated that nothing can really live in the blight, I feel like there could be bandits or new blighted monsters like the Akashic. I genuinely love the world of Valisthea and the Theories that it can provide for its in world mysteries that not even Moss the Chronicler would know.
What if Moss the Chronicler is the dominant of Leviathan? He traveled far and wide and recorded things not many knew about.
If you go to Northern Sanbreque, there is a frozen crystal laying in the ocean. I reckon it is frozen in place because Shiva and Leviathan were once enemies and she froze the crystal of Leviathan. I think Leviathan exists and we have seen her, but in a dormant form because Shiva froze that particular crystal, and that is the medicine girl who we see save Dion, who for some reason keeps bumping into our characters as the story progresses, she also offers Dion water (healing water perhaps). Perhaps it could be the post game DLC where she is walking down the beach and saves Clive somehow who is turning to stone as he landed near the beach close enough to where the Capital used to be.
possible yes..but i think the girl who is pregnant is perhaps the carrier of the dominant of leviathan
@@slimpyslimpyits possiple because they are immune from the ether flow or the medicine girl because the reaction from jill was confusing. maybe shiva and leviathan are rivals in the past, and shiva has a special conection i dont know. We will see maybe, i hope so
I believe this to be the most accurate as the medicine girl's name is Kihel, and is derived from Kiehl or Kiel, which means "born of a land of the waters/flood." It would be sick if we saw her walk down the beach and save Clive!
And to expand, maybe that is why Clive said that his body as a vessel failed in the end, it was missing the power of an 8th eikon and if he had leviathan, he would have been able to survive, as a healing focused eikon would reverse crystal's curse.@@Currosive4Lyfe
If you go to North Reach after you do the quests there before Origin, there's a woman telling kids a story about Leviathan. So the Eikon is known by others and not just Joshua.
it'd be really cool if the DLC came out and it was a direct continuation of the ending of FF16 where you see Clive didn't actually die and in fact while laying on the beach is approached by a mysterious hooded figure (Leviathan's Dominant) who saves him somehow and transports him to another continent where you discover that Ultima wasn't the only "Big Bad" and that there's a second revival attempt which Clive and the Dominant of Leviathan must stop OR Leviathan's Dominant is actually another Antagonist which Clive must stop
I like this idea
I think the baby was the Leviathan dominant. Notice that the pregnant woman was the only person in Waloed who was exposed to aether who did not turn. Clive even hinted at it by saving "maybe the baby is protecting her." Only dominants can be exposed to aether without being affected by it. There's also a huge area right above Sanbreque that's covered with the blight. Maybe that's where Leviathan's original crystal was.
Yes exactly! Check my latest video..i discuss these things in that video
Its not just dominants, Bearers are also aether resistant.
@@collenjets123 Bearers are not resistant. Most of the bearers turned that worked in the mines of Oriflamme. And then there's that certain side mission where you watch El's brother turn inside the Aether and killed himself. Remember, El's brother was a Bearer but was never branded.
I think there was a quest line for the blacksmith, where a traveler went to a far away land to get an obscenely sharp blade that was obtained with a set of whetstones. On the stone map of Valisthea, at the end of the game, you can see a small area on the south eastern part of the map that was not explored. Maybe that was the land where those blades came from, and where we may see our hidden tribe
That's too close of a location for Leviathan to not be a part of the main story. Ultima or Barnabas would have done something if it was that close.
It's more likely that it's actually gone entirely, or it's nowhere near Valisesthia.
@@SRFAAwell what’s to say they didn’t?
Maybe they are the reason Leviathan is “lost”
@@ShadowProject01 That doesn't make really make sense with the information present in my opinion.
The purpose of the other dominants was to make the vessel stronger. They have no reason to just permanently erase Leviathan even if the latest dominant was opposed to the plan.
Maybe Leviathan's Dominant is part of an indigenous tribe on an island detached from normal communication with the rest of Valisthea.
yes i was also thinking of something like this...i htink this is very plausible
I do agree, in the black smith quest it was mention that there is another continent or country outside valesthea
@@justgwapings oh he did? I must have missed this..any idea which black smith 1-4 it was? I can re-check or what he did say
It's because the producers told the development team to leave obvious room for DLC.
Nothing is more obvious as DLC than Leviathan. They can also include it as a fighting style for Clive.
Didn't the in game lore say that the fallen had people called "summoners" that could also manifest eikons ? Iirc it's not specified whether what they did worked similar to the dominants or if they did actual classic ff summoner job stuff, which would make the eikons themselves way different in nature.
If you think about it there is 9 eikon in total. Rosfield family has always been Phoenix throughout the generations. UNTIL the "anomaly" Ifrit came to be. Ifrit seems to not be the eikon of fire in this FF, it seems like a "joker card" that can house all the eikons elements. More like an eikon of vessel. Because all the ultimas that were slumbering all have Ifrit/infernal eikon models, so ONE anomaly human was choson to be special, Mythos. So it could be just Leviathan not explained for future content, Might be the water tribe extinct.
This is just me theorising stuff.
I think Joshua said it best. Phoenix is the Eikon of rejuvenating Fire. And Ifrit is the Eikon of Destructive fire.
Ifrits purpose was to "destroy" the known world then act as a vessel for Ultima to remake it.
So yeah. He is definitely the Chosen Vessel of God because he can House the most Power
What about Typhoon?
@@laliuxagmz3312 based on what the game tells us.
Typhon was another Weapon that Uktima posseses I order to fight in the physical worlds.
Since ultima has many forms and many weapons
It can be assumed Typhon was just one of many.
It seemed pretty unique though
@@pogoacct8611 would be cool if Typhoon was a first attempt at Eikons that Ultima failed with on his original homeworld and we fight these warped elemental versions of them in the DLC
Even if it's stated that there are 8 Eikons in total, DLC opens up the possibility of others that perhaps even Ultima himself was not aware of (or he was otherwise unable to take advantage of them), as the FF franchise as plenty of other options to choose from, such as Alexander, Anima, Diabolos, Eden, Siren, etc. So it's possible one DLC could primarily revolve around Leviathan, and then another could take place on another continent rather than remaining in The Twins (and the Leviathan DLC could consist of the events that lead to Clive and the others leaving the Twins for that other continent and thus coming into contact with those other Eikons). DLC leaves things open for plenty of possibilities.
Yes I agree but I can only see one which is Gilgamesh or Some other eikon thats not already there Light, Dark etc. Doesn't matter but it has to be a separate element
Ifrit is not the Eikon of fire and is not passed down amongst the Rosfield bloodline. He's an anomaly, not really a true Eikon at all, and his first and only Dominant is Clive.
Phoenix is the actual Eikon of fire passed down the Rosfield bloodline.
I remember they said the Ironbloods in the west islands erased their eikon a long time ago, or they hated eikons right? Leviathan was probably there somewhere.
Leviathan for possible DLC !?, but i don't know if it standalone or they continue Clive story, there was a leak back in march for FF16 turn out to be accurate about "Ultma/Clive mother..." also mentioned in the leak that leviathan is missing and planned for future dlc..
here what i hope : continue Clive story post the game, Clive is about to turn to stone and die then the dominants of leviathan (maybe the medicine girl) appear and heal him, meanwhile Jill think Clive is DEAD and base on here dialogic with Clive in the Flower scene " that she want to leave the Twin and spread her wings" so jill decide to go back to the north with torgal and that your story "Clive spend all the DLC searching for Jill" and how it will end i don't know maybe "Happy Ending" Clive and Jill spend their last days together...
I really like your theory
My theory is that Leviathan is a Guardian Of Sea but due to blight corroding the land as well as the Sea, Leviathan hasnt awakened due to this Leviathan tribe was probably link to Shiva Tribe similar to Clive and Joshua having Ifrit and Phoenix
aaah i didnt think of this..i like this theory a lot
L'émissaire de Odin vient de aucun peuple ,et étranger a valisthea Léviathan et peut être pareil ,mais je suppose que la femme enceinte possède l'émissaire de Léviathan vu que elle n'a pas été toucher par l éther seul les émissaires sont immunisé,car comme par hasard juste après on assiste à la scène de Joshua,ou alors l ancien cristal mère qui a laissé un trou dans la mer était celui de Léviathan pendant la guerre entre les hommes et les dieux
I remember they said the Ironbloods in the west islands erased their eikon a long time ago, or they hated eikons right? Leviathan was probably there somewhere.
The fact that Leviathan is missing may also explain why Clive wasn't actually a perfect vessel like Ultima thought. He was missing an eikon and as such he was incomplete.
If there is dlc I'd bet money that leviathan will be a focus and we will get a "true ending" where Clive successfully wielded the power of ultima.
Well if there will be a DLC hope that it will be a prequel about why Leviathan is Lost. A little bit of lore. Or we could get Adventures of Cid DLC. The end of the story is fine as it is. Clive was never supposed to wield Ultima power fully since it was probably only a one time use and then lights out. The Ending was obvious to end the age of magic meaning no crystals, no magic, no Dominants end of story.
I would prefer if it would be a prequel but if they do an overhaul of the story an put it somewhere in between without creating plot holes than OK. If not hard pass. Besides the true ending will be told in Dissidia Opera Omnia if Clive will be featured there. There you will find if he survived or turned in to dirt when the curse was taking its price for using a power that was not meant to be used by him.
There's actually a DLC with Leviathan as a playable eikon skill
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It is told in the game "Being a dominant means it comes natural to controll your Eikon". When cid talked to Clive about Ifrit being an abnormality and Clive not being able to controll how to summon Ifrit. Or maybe it was Joshua i do not remember who it was but i remember this exact wording.
So the possibility of "leviathan" not being awoken or laying dormant is not possible. Since Joshua had controll over Phoenix at the age of 6 or 7 while Clive at 15 did not.
Also, they are known by religion that 8 Eikon's exist. Meaning one point of time Leviathan did exist as a Eikon. Ifrit however did not, Ifrit is an abnormality and never before seen Eikon. Phoenix is the "fire" tribe's Eikon and not Ifrit.
My hypothesis is that the bloodline of Leviathan died out. Maybe the blight took the people of Leviathan's bloodline. Or maybe Ultima never wanted to give Leviathan to any human for some reason after it first appeared. Since Leviathan is Ultima's power.
So you cannot make similair patterns to Clive's Eikon Ifrit to other Eikon's since Ifrit is an abnormality and did not appear since the birth of mankind.
I think maybe a prequel DLC making CID playable and we see the fight against Bahamut / Leviathan / more story of him as the Lord Commander of Waloed (expansion on Benedikta and Barnabas)
My theory is that levianthan might have hailed from the ironborn area where they see bearers as abominations that must be cleansed from the world my guess is that as soon as levianthan finds himself a dominant that suits him the ironborn just kills him off
Leviathan is the medicine girl, mark my words.
The water Mote was living South of Ash at drakes Horn. However, according to ingame lore the mote clashed with the orcs and ultimately lost against them and the upcoming blight, which also destroyed drakes horn, similar to drakes eye in the northlands.
I think the water mote fled to the southern Island (another continent) where Barnabas and Cid came from.
Yes very possible..i address this also more in my story of odin video
Didn’t the devs say if this game succeeds they’ll consider making a dlc I honestly would think they would make a 9th dominant for us to use
I remember during one of Vivian’s state of Valisthea reports she mentioned something about “our friends to the west” and pointed out an island west of Rosaria. Maybe this has something to do with it.
Aaah very good point!! This would back the theory that leviathan is awaken but maybe elsewhere
i can imagine the Leviathan dominant leaving Valisthea's shit behind, swimming across the sea to a new land. The bloodline could be alive to the west, but lost to legend in the East
@@SuperSaiyan3985 yeah I went back and rewatched it, she said Haearann (Iron Kingdom)
8 Eikons in the game probably means:
Phoenix
Ifrit
Garuda
Ramuh
Shiva
Titan
Odin
Bahamut
That's 8.
There is 9 Eikons but you fight it instead of getting it which is Typhon
I think you can actually see Leviathan in northreach, he’s stuck in stasis (or frozen?), there’s also a woman in northreach that tell the kids story about Leviathan.
It is a DLC, if there is none, FF 16 won't be played next year, all FF games are like 3 yrs gameplay time. It is good for SE income also. So lets be patient. Too many things are left after the ending btw. And I don't think Clive will be the only playable character for this whole franchise I assume.
Ifrit is not the Eikon of fire ,but the one of Darkness.
Thats why in the mural they all fight against him and thats why Ultima transforms into him at the end of the game.
Its stated in the game ,also thats why Joshua was surprised ,when he saw the whole picture ,than he realised that Ifirt is Ultima Ikon but in his Winged form ,that he saw once when Joshua and Clive combined their powers.
Fight him? Not serve?
If they design a dlc focused on leviathan, it would truly be a chefs kiss.
Is it possible that the Phoenix is only understood as the Eikon of fire but is actually the Eikon of life? So, Leviathan would be the Eikon of death - the one thing Ultima fears. Additionally, I don’t think it’s possible that the Eikon was active in any sense because it would necessitate that Mythos was incomplete by the end of the game which wouldn’t work narratively.
If we do get DLC, i really hope we get a more hopeful ending for the game
There is no DLC confirmed. They said, they made a game that can be completed. But because of the feedback, they may do something.
Lore fact: There was another Crystal that was destroyed generations ago (I forget the name). Leviathan very likely was associated with it.
Wait how do you know about this other crystal?
@@slimpyslimpy the tragedy of dzmekys
There were 8 crystals and 3 of them are destroyed by the beginning of the game. It is mentioned several times: 1 eikon for 1 crystal. 1 Crystal in Dzymekis, 1 crystal in Northern Territories and on in Ash.
So basically Ifrit chose Clive as it's dominant because he is a Mythos, meaning Clive is the first & the only last dominant that's chosen by Ifrit.
Exactly what I thought.
I believe there's a bit misunderstanding in this video, the known Eikon of Fire that always born in the Tribe of Fire (Rosfield) is Phoenix, and Kazutoyo Maehiro said there is 8 Eikon in the game which is Leviathan is not included because Ifrit is the 9th Eikon and considered a Rogue Eikon or Mythos by Ultima.
And the very first line in the video "There are 7 playable Eikon in this game" is wrong because there is already 8 playable Eikon (Not including Leviathan)
The girl with the medicine that keeps showing up throughout the story is my bet for Leviathans dominant.
@smugmcmuffin I was hoping she’d be Greagor since we know so little about the new dominant religion in the game. Possible to still play the leviathan and bahamut angle in the draconic sense though.
Quick caviat, Clive awakened as a Dominant when he was 15 he couldn’t control it and he “killed” his brother.
It traumatized him and his memory blocked him from the truth, believing ifrit belonged to another person.
Only after facing the truth of it did he begin to maintain consciousness
Its possible that Leviathan's dominant is sealed and has been for many centuries under the sea. Similar to the Aang from the Avatar.
this. but plot twist, its still a fragment of ultima.
Is there any way Leviathan was essentially a safeguard so to speak for Ultima and it would have kept one final fragment of himseslf and Mother Crystal on Valisthea?
That's a really good theory it sounds like it could be a real thing and makes sense with how all eikons are fragments of him that would be a genius concept for DLC
Eight Eikons for 8 elements. With 2 Eikons of Fire I'm hoping that the writers didn’t just say Leviathan was lost to cover up the fact that the warden of water was an oversight in the narrative. Spoiler ALERT! With Clive dead and magic destroyed at the end, I don't think this will be resolved in a DLC.
One dlc is not enough for this game at least they need to do it ff15 style where each dlc talk about a character
Dlc for his father dlc for Jill dlc for Joshua and finally leviathan I can go for details about each dlc but i literally just finished the game 70 hours of gameplay and the ending left me crying
I was just playing NG+ and as i was looking out to the sea in Sanbreq there seems to be a glowing blue fin just sticking out of the water. I think that might be Leviathan slumbering beneath the waves.
The fact is they ran out of development budget in making another epic boss fight and eikon power.
Hail Mary theory here but I think the Leviathan eikon is in the baby that was born at the end of the game.
Leviathan is dead. It was swimming happily under the sea after eating a whole school of sardines for lunch when it got accidentally cut in half when Odin split the ocean.
its the kid that sells potion that meets Jill and helped Dion isnt it. kinda like Stand users, its just that Dominants are attracted to meet each other
why you think its her?
There was some kind of a letter somewhere in waloed, where an island was mentioned that talked about water kind of thing. I really thought it would be leviathan that time.
And bro getting the rising tide now😂❤
I think the leviathan is on the mission to woloed with gav and after a fight clive and gav meet a pregnant woman inside one of the houses after that clive did mention that the reason the mother did not becom one of the infected by aether i forgot what's it's called anyway, because of that the leviathan is inside the baby in his mother belly(edda) i forgot the name.thats why the mother survive the flooded of aether. By far that's my theory ,what do you think🤔
Also the baby is one of the dominant
I think the medicine girl is the dominant of Leviathan tbh.
Hate to say it there are currently 8 eikons in the game, the 8th is Ifrit and you acquire 7 other eikons. Leviathan would make 9.
They will have to adjust the UI then because it has only space for 7 Eikons around the Ifrit (Phoenix basically takes Leviathans spot). Maybe shrinking each of the 7 to make room for the 8th eikon..
Or just wind Leviathan around them all making an outer circle...
Damn the Fire Nation for destroying the Water Tribe.
Woah. So essentially, FF16 is Attack on Titan 😯
yes correct
He was 15 when Ifrit awakened in him, so no he was not an adult, but I think Sheeva awakened later just as Clive
He's probably just chilling at the bottom of the ocean or maybe some Atlantis type city is out there somewhere with the dominant living there.
When did maehiro ever confirm there could be dlc?? Its not his decision to make and im sure as hell yoshi p and takai wouldnt say shit half heartedly like that
I was just browsing FF16 videos and suddenly i recognized the Leviathan from the Force of Will tcg lol
Not something i was expecting but here have my like
if leviathan already has a dominant then maybe he doesn’t want to be seen and presumed dead for a reason hence leviathan the lost
If the tribe of water was exterminated, that could lead to a story for a dlc where the dominant of water wants revenge for the lost of their tribe by flooding and sinking the twins below the sea
i believe if you look in the "state of the realm" map you can see that Leviathan comes from area in the north that has already been taken by the blight. So most likely the theory about the tribe already being exterminated is probably pretty close to the truth.
they imply that leviathan was related to the destroyed mother crystals dzymekis in the fallen era, and thus destroyed with it, not sure why were indulging that it’s not awakened…
I thought this too first but not anymore..will explain why
Cut content perhaps? Seems strange that he's missing almost completely without a real explanation
I think there is an Atlantis-like underwater city in Valisthea led by descendants of the Fallen that fell into the sea.
I was thinking of that too..i even had that theory in my video but then deleted it..would a atlantis like city fit in final fantasy settings or is it unprecedented?
@@slimpyslimpy Unprecedented until FF 14
@@slimpyslimpy Yes it would. Vivian had no information on the Kingdom of Ash due to its isolation policies. Plus, a hidden underwater city that used Fallen technology will be great to see. Also, imagine if Leviathan’s dominant saved Clive and Dion from their falls. The reason is that Clive only lost a hand or arm while Dion just got a similar head damage he received during his duel with Ifrit Risen.
The fallen scattered around the world after the downfall of their civilization must be somehow connected to the water tribe, like the founder, they refused to use magic ever again. Under such circumstances it is very hard for an eikon to awaken.
There were 2 Eikons of fire. They revealed that early in the game, so the belief of one dominant per element was already confirmed to be false. Just sayin
Question is will leviathan dominant be a men or woman?my bet is a women,could be similar to jill
Leviathan is not in FFXVI because it will appear in XVI-2
Imagine a DLC is made, and we see Leviathan saving Clive. Then we learn that Joshua and Dion aren't dead, as people think. I really wouldn't know how to react, I'd probably be disappointed. The ending is fine as it is
@@SuperSaiyan3985 I It's based on what people want. So yes it's stupid 💀
@@Beauto093 why did this person call it stupid ? The fans have their ideas on Clive living what is so hard about joshua or even Dion living ? Double standards much ?
If theres a DLC i think is going to be Leviathan mystery
Imagine someone end up being the dominant for Alexander
Or knights of the round 😂
F that I want the dominant of fat Chocobo or Anima
There is clearly leviathan on the collectors edition box. I was hoping to see it too
I think there’s probably going to be DLC as well I don’t know if anyone has noticed that there’s a door in the room Blackthorne is in in the second hideaway that has a sign that says keep out I’m thinking that might be for DLC
I'm pretty sure that door is just the backdoor to Charon's shop. It just leads directly behind the counter.
@@PhilMihaly I didn’t think about that thought it might be DLC lol
Go to northern Sanbreque and look out too sea at the giant ass frozen crystal, that is our next DLC destination imo
@@ashm4938 I noticed that but didn’t recognize it as a crystal thought it was a rock with glowing blue plants/roots.
It could be for Leviathan because if you get a zoomed in look at it with photo mode it looks like blue lines possibly splashing water but doubt it because the water is still around it. Bet it’s aether made to look like splashing water maybe signifying Leviathan
@robertramirez5883 frozen Aether, as the story already confirmed that Shiva and Leviathan were enemies, perhaps she froze the Leviathan crystal which has caused the dominants power to stay dormant in whoever has her.
And I reckon that person is the medicine girl we keep seeing through the story who offered Dion healing water, who lives on a waters edge etc. Maybe in DLC we see her find Clive on the beach and heal the curse which kicks off the DLC
Ifrit was not an Eikon, it was a physical form of Ultima.
Is the reason why twinside is called twinside. Is because it has 2 mother crystals?
You cooked G.
You were close
In French Joshua call « the legendary leviathan »
I thought Leviathan was the little girl who sells poultices
I thought the 8th was ifrit for whatever reason but that wouldn't make sense since he is fire too.
Woah 15 is not a full adult lol
Leviathan is an dlc I am sure of it and we are going to get arena/trial/levels/wave kind of mode where we can get nice loots
I thought Joshua’s father was the dominant of fire before Joshua was born
Fingers crossed to Levithan DLC lol
so they kept Leviathan for DLC
looks like this one is most popular amongst the rest to be this VIP
Leviathan will be the child of Clive and Jill, or a descendent.