Thanks to HelloFresh for sponsoring today's video. Go to strms.net/NasuHelloFreshNovemberYT and use code POGNASUNOV70 for 70% off plus free shipping on your first box! Additional comments on the villain at 11:25 below (Persona 5 Royal Spoilers): It is also *incredibly* hypocritical for the Phantom Thieves to oppose Maruki’s plan to rid the world of suffering through cognitive pscience. They make the argument that everyone should have the freedom and autonomy to go at it on their own. To take the world head on and fight for their own happiness. That if the happiness is just created for them, then it’s not true happiness. But they quite literally did the same thing. Not every one of their targets has been a criminal in need of reforming. Futaba was a palace owner who’s distorted desires they took away to allow her to overcome her trauma. She didn’t overcome it on her own, they actively used Metaverse magic to cure her. How are they any different from Maruki who’s trying to do the exact same thing on a planetary scale? Is it because Futaba asked for it to be done? In that case should they not have woken everybody up and asked the masses whether or not they want to return to the past reality?
Idk if I am remembering the game correctly here or just making shit up but I remember this hypocrisy being Marukis main argument against the phantom thieves with them not being able to come up with any counter arguments, because in the end what they are doing is the same thing. I think I also remember the ending being about them coming to terms with not being phantom thieves anymore, so that they can actually support their ideology of learning from trauma. I am not disagreeing with your point on Maruki being in the right here btw I just think that this gives at least some justification to what the phantom thieves are doing.
I've met enough evil people in real life to realize that some people are evil for literally no reason. It's not a cliche, it's something that happens in real life.
Fun Fact about Thanos: There's a little detail in Guardians of the Galaxy during the prison line-up scene that says Gamora is the "last of her race", yet Thanos says that her planet is thriving. Dude either didn't check because he was too scared to disappoint his daughter or simply because he didn't want to be wrong.
@@Evets_03 you can't put something like that in a movie without conveying it to the audience, so its still a plothole. And also - really bruh? You think they actually did some shit like that? Definitely not
@@ThwipThwipBoom The thing about that statement is that James Gunn actually admitted that there was a plothole in the exact same scene and it was Rocket being an accomplice with Lyja when he knows that'll contradict what he has planned. That and he's also admitted that it was a plot hole with the Stan Lee bit. The difference here is it's deliberate otherwise he would've jumped the gun and immediately point it out like he did with the other two points I mentioned. You may say "the movies are 3 years apart", keep in mind there's a scene in The First Avenger where when Steve saves Bucky, you can hear him whispering to himself as if he was being brainwashed. Seriously, I recommend watching the MCU again. There's a lot of small stuff to be picked-up on. At least the Infinity Saga.
The fact that Dracula actually gave them a whole yr to leave the town, but then instead, they threw a party on the anniversary!!!! I'd upper room everyone
The worst part about the Lisa's death was that Dracula gave them one year to flee the land before he begins to body people, but instead of doing the reasonable thing and FLEEING THE COUNTRY, they chose to CELEBRATE the day of his wife's death instead, which was also the day that DRACULA WAS GOING TO BODY THEM. Btw the anime is called Castlevania
Doctor Doom also was pretty logical. He saw every future and the only one without death and destruction was the one where he ruled the planet. He even met Wakanda's panther god (Bast) who kills all impure hearts and survived the encounter.
Lmao that is terrible reasoning. Just cause someone would theoretically do soemtjing in the future you punish them now? And every human has an impure heart lmao that’s just ridiculous 😂 we’re not perfect😂
Not saying he was a nice guy, actually he tries to do a heroic thing in a villainous way, but no its not up to theory. Doom knew something no one else did, he's seen all futures through his own vision and it was completely true. In the end it was about ruling the world to protect it. Power and wealth were just perks to him. I mean the guy saved his mothers soul from eternal damnation. Even one time Doom went to the vibranium vault in Wakanda and as I already mentioned had to present his soul to Bast the panther god. If Doom had an ounce of greed or hatred in him, he would've been killed by Bast. Doom rules over an entire country with happy people living in it, just as long as they pledge undying loyalty to him. He wants power that's for sure, but Doom having power benefits his peoples safety. Quite frankly he's a better ruler than most in the Marvel Universe. No matter how cruel or sickening of a action he makes, it will more often than not serve a single optimistic purpose. I'd say he's not totally evil, but moreso brash and arrogant because he definitely has good intentions in his brilliant mind.
What I've come to realize growing up and what fiction writers have been trying to tell us all these years is that there's a difference between Broken people and Evil people.
They really did a fantastic job fleshing out Dracula's hate for mankind and I was blown away by what they did with Isaac. His game counterpart is a pretty generic edgy rival, but the anime's version is the best written character arc I've seen in years. Was nice that they gave a reasoning for why Death has always served Dracula, which had always been unclear in the games beyond the vague implication that an alchemical artifact bound Death to Dracula as his servant, back when Dracula was still Matthias.
You realize that Isaac’s arc is about him realizing that his opinion, and by extension Dracula’s, on humanity is wrong? He literally grows from secondary villain to secondary hero in 3 seasons.
@@Ismael-kc3ry yes. Which is why I said I like the conversations between him and his night creatures. And I never said the villains were straight up right about everything, do any of you actually ready? I said there was many moments where they were right...I never said their way of the thinking was absolute. Both sides can be right, humans are cruel, but we have the ability to be better, to be kinder, to be more...human. I swear how do you people mange to be so negative about being positive.
Dr Doofensmirz could’ve had a good reasoning for why he always tries to destroy the city. If you know his absolutely DEVASTATING backstory then you can find a good reason why he does it. He wants acknowledgment. He wants Perry the Platapus’s friendship because no one else acknowledged his existence than Perry himself. But unless he doesn’t try shit like this Perry won’t be his rival. He thinks he NEEDS to play this game with Perry because otherwise he’d be a nobody like he always was. Just my take
That's a great take I mean. . . . . . Everyone forgets he has a daughter. . . . So he had a woman . . . . It's fair to say he wasent always the way he is now, it's just his idea of going forward 🤷♂️
even as he was dying he never stopped believing that his idea to eliminate hatred was the right thing to do, and that what Naruto and Sasuke believed was completely wrong and that they would be unable to eliminate the circle of hatred, which ended up happening neither Naruto nor Sasuke were able to eliminate conflicts from the shinobi world
I'm glad Dracula was brought up here. I love how he displays each stage of grief. By the end of the second second he's just.... apathetic. The hatred and fury is still there, but its barely under this thick grimy layer of "I'm just fucking tired." the only time we see him roused from his lethargy is during the final conflict with Belmont and Sypha, but even then then it's more like mild amusement at the whole thing rather than a blood thirsty quest for vengeance. It's only when Alucard confronts Dracula do we see some of that old fury and hate rise to the surface. This is likely Dracula repressing the very real feelings of love and compassion that he has for his son, because when we later see that façade crack it more or less figuratively cripples him both physically and emotionally. Dracula is one of the few villains I've seen in modern media where their apathy is actually explored. Dracula is a villain with survivor's guilt.
dracula does seem like he just hates humans at first, but getting into the second season (the proper one) every second person to talk to him suggests that if they are overpowering humans so easily, why don't they just farm them since killing all humans would remove their own food supply. Dracula responds to this by threatening to eat them where they stand but before pissing him off you can see he's just planning the slowest most elaborate suicide
It's the most ignorant line I've heard. People who follow God aren't perfect. Nor are they supposed to be. That's why we follow God because he knows we are sinners but he still wants a personal relationship with us.
I'm glad Dr. Doof got the representation he deserved in this video, truly the best villain in all of modern fiction. In all seriousness though y'all I think we can all agree that the worst villain...is needing to always choose what you're going to cook each night, that's why this videos sponsor-
Tbh, one thing Thanos completely underestimated is the fact that people find more efficient ways to use dwindling resources and even find new ways to use resources that were worthless before. Killing half of all people is also killing half of all potential people who could find the next source of bountiful clean energy, or create an agricultural innovation that could help feed millions.
That logic only applies to things such as energy. You can't make venison magically have more calories for example. You can't double all air without killing everyone because to much oxygen is a painful way to die. Thanos also stated *ALL* life, imagine you are deer and suddenly another deer appeared just so people can kill it because someone deemed your species a resource and not life. That isn't fair to them. Thanos picked the most moral of two horrible options.
@@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNamesthe OP isn't saying that Thanos should create MORE life, he's saying that Teo heads are better than one. Which is why the god complex is so harmful. One person cannot, never has, never will, and never can hope to create a solution for everyone that fits perfectly. Some people have better ideas than others of how to do certain things. Erasing half of the potential of all life to do something better than before is a serious waste of potential. He got on his high horse because he was strong and had the ability to decide other people's life, whether they would live or die and thought it actually sounded smart to kill half of all life forms to save resources, much of which is life forms, because most things subsist off of them. He creates the same problem unless you have the ability to survive off of Inorganic material.
Another point to add is that the Thanos snap was confirmed to also get rid of half of all plant life, so he removed half of the resources, therefore he killed people for literally no reason
Well i mean... If the Whole becomes Half and another Whole gets a Half Too, (Humans/Resources) Therefore the Half gets the Other Half! Making the Half People rebuild again with their Half Resource's, making them Whole. Balance as all things should be.
I think Thanos' plan was flawwed because of the fact that it's not a lack of resources but the exploitation of said resources. Even if we were to double the resources, someone would still find a way to use it their gain at the suffering of others but that's just my two cents.
I love that every Naruto villain is just trying to fix their broken, war ridden world. I mean, except Orochimaru. He’s… he’s kinda doing his own thing…
Actually Orochimaru only wants immortality for all, he was just tired of seeing people dying all the time. The only person that doesn't have an excuse in the naruto franchise is Danzo.
3:35 Thanos couldn’t double the resources cuz it would accelerate the Celestials plan. There are celestials seeds in most planets with intelligent life, because they use the energy from them to finally hatch. Thanos snapped his fingers to slow this process down
Magneto learned very early just how powerful and op his powers actually are I respect him a lot for walkin into every fight and dragging his nuts all over the X-men 😂
Another huge flaw with Thanos’ plan is that, there ISNT a lack of resources. There’s a lack of equitable distribution of resources. Some places have wayyyyy more than enough, some places are barely surviving.
Thanos was not just focus on earth, so other planets may have distribute their resources equally with the same results of lost there for i see no flaw. but for the record in the comics thanos did all this so that death would love him.
This is fallocy. For example, say you have two countries. One with plenty, one starving. The plentiful country has one and a half cups worth of food production, and only needs one cup worth to sustain itself. The starving country only makes half a cup of food in production, but needs one cup of food to sustain itself. The quick answer is the plentiful country should share its surplus. Now both countries are comfortable. As the population grows, you need more food. Assuming neither has gotten more land nor hospitable growing environments, now both countries need an additional half cup of food. The formerly plentiful country is now the villain. Do we protect our own citizens and commit genocide by inaction? Will the other country go to war knowing there isn't enough? Tl,Dr; distribution isn't the answer
@@DaOneDaOnlyBMan huh? If populations increase in both and you don't have the means to support both, that does not mean redistribution didn't help. Did it solve everything in this hypothetical made up story? No, but it did help the people in the poorer country. Are you suggesting the abundant country do nothing while it benefits from having so much while another country starves? Or should one help the other while it can? Abundant country should help with resources both directly and intellectually if the poorer country is lacking so they they can collectively produce enough for both. The answer is not to genocide and get rid of the suffering people to remove suffering. The answer is to think as a collective existence rather than nationalistically. There is not "my people" and "your people" There is just "people" This rings true on all levels, macro and micro. Should I only think about my self or should I also help my family? Should I think about my family or also think about other families? Should those families think about just themselves or also their towns? Should those towns think about other towns too? The answer is obvious. All humans should be considerate of all other humans and when one has something the other needs, the solution is clear end mutually beneficial. Teach your neighbor how to fish, and feed them the fish you have to spare.
To me the villain speech that hits home will always be Doflamingo’s speech on justice. On how children that never now peace have different values from those who never know war. And how the victors control what right and wrong. How they choose the future and chose how the past is seen. The winner defines what justice is. “Will justice triumph, you say?” “Of course it will” “Because the winners become justice”
Pains whole idea was living in peace through utter domination. Pain believed that with the 10 tails power as well as his own, that he would be 100% unbeatable in every scenario, and I kinda get it. People say to prevent war, you must make the idea of victory seem hopeless, and pain was trying to achieve just that. True hopelessness, a power that truly cannot be beaten
I've never seen Naruto, but I fully understand Pain's beliefs. He lived during a hopeless war, and in the darkest times the pain brought him and his family closer together than ever. He wants to instill that feeling into others to make the world a better place. Or at least that's what I gather.
@@Endermania although naruto is great (my profile picture is literally pain's main form) I wouldn't recommend random people watching that anime since its really long, has a lot of filler and starts out with really old animation
never watched naruto dont knew much about it tbh, but his motivation and plans sound kinda goated. but my respect for this show that i never watched just increased hundred fold out of nowhere just for how he goated he is
The thing about Gurren Lagans completely brain dead cast is that whether they know it or not spiral energy can legitimately do anything. The universe doesnt end due to too much power because theres so much power they can just stop it. So yes in response to a meteorite falling theyre plan would just be "handle the situation."
The story's villains are dumb because they think they're smart and the protagonists are smart because they're dumb as hell. They take things at face value and eliminate all evil and it turns out to be the GOOD option because the villains, while they think they're justified, are just cowards who never directly try to confront the problems they have, instead resorting to cowardly shit like dusting an entire race under the rug because they THINK they might be a problem. They think they know everything, but they absolutely don't. That's a realistic problem, actually. people at the top being so self-assured that they do the most dumbass things and think it's the right thing to do. It's basically just extremism.
@@blackraptor1154 might you be suggesting, they gatekeep spiral energy, and spend the rest of their lives stopping people from crossing a boundary, or in other words, become an “Anti” -Spiral
Madara winning actually wouldn’t be the worst thing. Itachi did something similar to his girlfriend before he killed her, showing her a life where they have children and lived happily. She even thanked him when he released her from the Genjutsu.
I agree, as long as you don't ever notice it's a dream, for example, ya know how some people realize their dreaming and then control it, lucid dreaming, if that happened in the tsunokiyomi or however you spell it, then it would be sad because it's not real
@@SushiBurritoPapi would it really? I get what u mean but knowing ur in a dream but cant wake up is comforting as you can live out whatever reality you want
Didn't you pay attention, Madara literally couldn't win. He didn't actually understand the true nature of the Mugen Tsukuyomi; everyone in it would eventually die and become white zetsu even if Black Zetsu didn't manage to kill or weaken him enough for Kaguya to come out (although it's hard to imagine how or why he could fail at that based on what we saw). The result of Madara winning isn't that everyone gets to live forever in the Genjutsu, instead they live for a while but then die and all humans become extinct.
@@MachineCode0 still you would get to live the happiest life possible (maybe several) then die, sounds pretty good to me. Besides with Madara in charge I’m sure he would notice people dyeing and just breed more. Humans aren’t meant to live forever living a happy life then death is the best we can hope for.
As a hip hop fan i noticed you used the instrumental of MF DOOM‘s song Doomsday at the first few minutes, for those that don‘t know why this is so awesome it‘s because MF DOOM was the villain of the music industry, using the character dr doom as inspiration. So yea it‘s cool that you included him as background music for a villain list
To me itachi is a really good villain with a valid reason for what he did for the most part I don’t even call him a villain he just did what he had to do so a one sided and very destructive war wouldn’t break out
Agreed. I just don’t truly understand why he continued to traumatize Sasuke instead of telling him the truth. Whether Sasuke believed him is besides the point, but at least he… y’know… tried? Itachi’s actions, while logical, still set off a chain reaction.
@@Felicite-Etoile Because Itachi wanted to die. In spite of all he said, he selfishly wished for death at the hands of his kin - the very kin he was forced to slaughter.
@@Felicite-Etoile What you should understand is there are people who blindly fanboy without thinking first because of shallow reasons such as first impression, looks, charisma etc. In the anime ITACHI HIMSELF said that he messed up so bad and he couldn't even beg SASUKE to forgive him so he said he will support Sasuke's decision no matter which way he go! Which means Itachi shouldn't have tortured his 5 yo little brother, yet still people thinks Itachi was right and Sasuke was wrong, Sasuke succeded to make Danzo piss in the pants, while Itachi is trying to figure out his messed up life, Itachi is the most failed and overrated Villain in Naruto universe
Another interesting one is the phantom troupe from HxH. They're motives and actions are not as clean as these examples however they show they care about the other members and manage to follow a code of conduct better than almost any other group in media I've seen.
No thanos was literally a damn maniac sorry to say this and burst ppls bubbles but regardless of his philosophy Thanos had the gauntlet and used it for violence when he literally could have improved the Earth's resources with a snap but Barney ain't think of that
I think certain villains like Emperor Palpatine, Morgoth Darkseid work best when they are presented as archetypes of ultimate, irredeemable evil in the plot. I mean how can one humanize a character who's inherently meant to be the embodiment of all evil?
Yeah I'm actually tired of all "he was misunderstood hero or villain all along" type of villains. That's basically every villain in Naruto. That's why Aizen is top modern day Shonen villain imo. Dude was evil and that was it.
@@Thiago_Alves_Souza Aizen could actually have a noble cause we were just never told about it. He wanted to get to the soul palace and kill the soul king because he was tired of him just watching and wanted the ruler of the world to do shit. What makes Aizen my favorite anime villain is the lack of information and mystery surrounding him.
@@capitalism7189 he might have a justification but it wasn't due to some noble cause, he wanted ultimate power and serve no one. That's why he asked Urahara as why a man with his intellect would serve the Soul King? Knowing Kisuke to be the only man smart enough and the only man he actually feared, it baffled Aizen why he didn't vy for the ultimate power as well. That in itself is evil, he cared nothing for humanity nor the well being of the world.
In the original expanded universe, we got Palpatine's backstory, and I loved how they didn't try and give him a tragic reason for becoming who he was. Yeah, his dad was a dick, but Palpatine was a sociopathic monster with insatiable ambition from the get go.
"The greatest villains in fiction are those with believable motivations. Not necessarily ones you agree with, but ideas where you can look at the villain and say "yeah. Yeah I can see how you got here." Yup. That's it. That's why I like Vergil from the Devil May Cry series. Especially if you've read any the books. He's been through a lot. Justifying his actions is a whole other situation entirely, but you can't look at him and think "Nah, he's just doing this to be doing it." Everything that man does is driven by trauma, grief, guilt, and pain. He's got a tough facade because he'd fall apart if he didn't. EDIT: I know that Vergil is more of an Antagonist than a villain, but you get what I mean 😂
@@shimaphys yeah, and that's what motivates him to redirect his intentions. He went from literally from falling apart to reconstituting himself and finding new resolution. No, he didn't really change. He just revealed a side no one knew existed.
I can't believe Metal Gear wasn't included here. Solidus Snake exemplifies the "villain that was onto something" better than any of the others in the series.
One villain I think of is Zemo because he was more aware of how superherroes actually caused a lot of damage. Because of the actions of Stark, the villain Ultron was born, who nearly destroyed the human race, and because they didn't stop him quick enough, did end up destroying Sercovia. These heroes had nearly unmatched powers and was not beholden to any agency or government, and if they ever turned bad, or created something bad, which they did, intentionally or not, they ended up causing more problems than they solve. Also assuming they actually solved much of anything. If you think about it, because of their actions, they ended up creating more of a possibility for Thanos than ever before, which created destruction for half of the world. And let's not forget that they didn't even truly fix that problem: by not setting things to back before the blip, they created the refugee crisis which caused the problems of the flag smashers and even more debt, instability, and probably more that we are not even aware of yet.
The Avengers were never heroes, cause real heroes shouldn't work for a government that routinely fucked over its citizens for centuries. Most of them were killers and vigilantes.
Stark caused 80% of their problems, cosmic other ish caused like another 15%. And Stark is usually at the center of destruction because he's a weapons manufacturer, not because of superhumans. Rarely are the heroes actually the cause of trouble, they just deal with it. Honestly, without the avengers NYC would be a nuclear wasteland so people should be grateful the little damage taken was all that Earth sustained. Thanos disappeared everyone, but the Avengers causes the subsequent issues? Make that make sense.
Y'know, the She-Hulk TV series really was a thought-provoking series that really makes the viewer question their morality by raising the possibility of a bright future where Thanos truly won and the She-Hulk TV series never had to exist.
Yeah thanos is justified while ignoring a single ounce of logic and actively have the narrative revolve around how he’s “right.” In reality, thanos only had the right belief, but his solution is utter garbage. You know what happens when you snap away not only half of all overpopulated life, but half of all endangered life, and especially half of trees out of existence? Global warming, nuclear war, food chain in utter disarray, and let’s also ignore how earth would turn into Venus if half of all bacteria just suddenly disintegrated. Thanos is not only wrong, he screwed up the planet entirely.
I love villains that put me in moral dilemmas, but it does have to be said that not all villains have to be morally ambiguous, a total evil like the intelligent machines in Matrix or the lich from adventure time can be used intelligently to develop characters and achieve a thoughtful resolution.
I’ll say it: are the machines really evil, or just trying to survive with a power source (humans)? Morpheus says that the humans were the ones that scorched the sky.
The problem with Thanos, is the fact that he has stones that he can do literally anything with, and he decided to kill half of people in the universe, rather than doubling space, and resources.
You can’t create more space or create more galaxies or something like that with the help of infinity stones. Infinity stones doesn’t provide the power to do that. And for the resources , if you think doubling the resources would work , you are have an average iq and you’re just normal with no speciality. Cause doubling the resources is a suicide. Its way more catastrophic and dangerous than thanos’s plan. Now i say your sentence in a different way. Thanos had the most power in the universe , he could do anything , he could rule the universe , he could slaughter every planet , he could kill anyone , he could be the most powerful maniac in the universe but he decided to save the universe and save the life the universe possessed. He could have done anything but he decided to save the universe
@@lonekie by the "anything" , i meant anything that can be done by the gauntlet. I didn't meant "everything". He could have done anything what the gauntlet can do. He could have gone a very evil path but .
I was expecting Count Dooku to show up as a character explanation. He truly did want the Galaxy to be a better place and never gave himself into darkside completely. But, if we are talking only about big screen, it seems like he's just another random dude showing up to be the villain.
He also appeared to be a pretty great contrast to Anakin. While Anakin was a Jedi on the brink of turning to the Dark Side, Dooku was the most light-side-oriented Sith in existence. Dooku was also the master of the late Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi whose death may have sealed Anakin's fate. And his final fight with Anakin mirrors the final fight between Luke and Vader in Episode VI, where in that fight Luke turns away from his hate and anger and denies the Emperor his victory, while in this fight in Episode III Anakin gives in to his hatred and to Palpatine's will and executes the unarmed prisoner.
He might seem like a random villain until that scene in EP 2 where he's almost begging obi wan to see his side of things and help him. Dooku wanted to kill Sidious just like the Jedi.
Agent Smith belongs on this list too. I am still amazed how everyone's rooting for the humans in the Matrix trilogy when they've extinguished all life except for a handful of themselves on the one planet that had the capacity to support it. Smith's speech on how humans are a disease is also one of the most chilling ones an antagonist has narrated.
Agreed they all say exactly the fucking same thing …humans only look to gain unnecessarily towards bieng on a upper class instead of caring about the actual race…animals DO not act like this
I don’t think it was much of an accident. I think obito agreed with pain to an extent which is why he started the war cause if you think about it there wasn’t much of a need for that he could’ve just pinned down the locations of naruto and bee and completed project tsuki no me in secret but instead he wanted to show the world despair and pain.
13:28 Entertaining this ending does the opposite of focusing on themes of individuality. You'd be giving Maruki and Marada the option to control yoir and others' lives, which is one of the big reasons they are considered villains.
Except DOFP happened BECAUSE of mutant terrorism. The truth lies in between Magneto's and Charles's ideals. Mutants and humans should live together in their own nations away from humans.
I love that Madara and Maruki were brought up here, nothing the heroes said disproved what they were trying to achieve. Like you said, what right do they have to stop everyone else from living an objectively better life just because they are somewhat fine with thier current reality?
That is because the heroes in Naruto are stupid lol Naruto couldn't even give Pain a good reason to undo his plans, yet Pain still did. And Madara's plan sucked ass too. Is he going to mantain their physical bodies? Maybe the tree is able to do that but still, if everyone lives in a constant state of happiness forever and never have to work to get anything they want, be it power, lovers, etc then their happiness will eventually become meaningless to themselves and they will get depressed or numb. Just see how sudden millionaires get depressed so often.
There is no happiness if that's all there is. Happiness is relative. If they take away all struggle and pain in some alternate reality it would just be numb and meaningless. It's much better to work to achieve your own happiness by fighting against adversity.
@@NasuPrime but Maruki is also deciding for loads of people as well, he's decided that everyone should live in a perfect reality and has essentially robbed people who could grow and overcome their problems by themselves the opportunity to do so which is what Morgana and the other thieves were saying, Akechi keeps saying that he doesn't want to exist in this reality and would rather go back to the old one even if it means he's dead but despite that Maruki ignores that desire and forces him to live in this reality because he thinks it's best, the whole point of the third semester is that neither Maruki or the Thieves are entirely right or wrong they're both fighting for different groups of people but the Thieves ultimately have the moral high ground because life is cruel and will beat you down but if you have the power to overcome what life throws at you them you should because that's how you grow and evolve as people just like the thieves did throughout the whole game, so how is it not okay for the main characters to decide for everyone else but it's fine when Maruki does it? Not everybody would want his reality
@@PicaShing I think the issue really is that, there should be a way to allow each person to choose by themselves what life they want to live, if everyone could choose then you would have some people go live their old lives and some stay in this perfect reality, as in, to each their own.
Because with these shows/stories we get to know them as a person. With criminals, all we can really get is what they tell us, and even then it's just gonna be eclipsed by whatever charge they committed is in the headlines
@@skillexx479 also, sympathizing on such things is unacceptable in society. Meanwhile, the same people in society is wishing for petty thieves to go to hell and suffer for all eternity and be burned again and again and get tortured and psychologically destroyed in every way possible. "Justice" as one would call it. In media, it seems that justice is just a twisted desire to see other people in pain and suffering (especially people who supposedly did bad things in their perspective). And that's their only justification for their insane idea of justice. Extreme torture. Jail just isn't enough, I guess. People want pleasure out of seeing what they find disgusting fail. Which I totally understand, but there must be a limit. And the limit should be surprisingly low.
Villains don't bring harm to real people. Real criminals do. Even then we've seen the glorification of some irl criminals, esp with the rise of true crime.
Because real criminals can really harm us lmao. Name one real world criminal that wasn't doing things for selfish reasons. Thanos is liked because while his actions were evil, his intentions were selfless.
Really cool to see Gurren Lagann here, if the point of the series wasn't that humans have basically no limits, then it would have been interesting to see a Simon agreeing with the Anti-Spiral and basically doing the same as Lord Genome
@@cinematographyexplored7751 No Rossiu is a neccessary counter balance to Simon. They made a point of telling us that Simon knows that unlimited use of spiral power will lead to the destruction of the universe. Unlimited energy in a finite system is a recipee for disaster. That's why he retired and left the leading to Rossiu at the end of the show and it is also why he didn't bring back Nia.
@@scrapox217 100% and that's what this video missed. Simon did offer an alternative solution and that was to not be consumed by the power but to step aside. The antispirals solution was dominion over everything which was the point Simon was fighting against.
The common misconception about the argument against Thanos is that doubling the resources would be bad because the amount of consumption per population is exponential so doubling the resourced would disappear just as quickly Like the poster said definitely not a good plan, but doubling resources wouldn't solve the issue
With the stones he could have just made everyone immortal and infertile. This would cause a different set of problems but fix the resources issue. Or alternatively changed the universe to such an extent that there is no shortages or suffering at all. But I think part of his character was that he lacked imagination
but his fucking idea of destroying half the population is also only a temporary fix at the most. he could've done an infinite amount of different stuff to fix the problem that he only assumed to exist (his planet is the only one that succumbed to the problem to everyone's knowledge). Thanos is made to be incredibly dumb
Killing people doesn't solve it either. It doesn't make the problem go away. It's ignoring the source of the problem, and that's the allocation of the resources. In the real world, we don't have a food shortage, food just gets wasted and isn't distributed based on need. So the problem isn't over population, the problem is capitalism.
You can map out the effectiveness of Thano's plan with bacterial colonies, if you killed half the population, bacteria would just grow back, and population would just curve itself at the supply. In stark contrast if you doubled the resources, the population would just simply grow to meet the supply. Either direction would just be a very temporary solution, since the population would always meet the curve that is dependent on supply present.
@@ambrosianapier7545 If you really want to take this seriously then you're doomed from the start. The idea that true interstellar civilizations would ever run out of resources is laughable. Our own galaxy, which is nowhere near the largest is so impossibly huge, you would be able to power your whole civilization for millions of years off of only just the planets in your nearest vicinity, barely a hundred light years. Humanity itself, with its own huge issues with resource management could easily support many more people than we have now with access to just our own solar system. Marvel's portrayal of alien civilizations is also just smooth-brained. Apparently, all civilizations in the entire galaxy run on capitalism and variations of a barter system. Capitalism for a civilization like that doesn't make sense because the whole reason that capitalism ever happened was because there wasn't enough resources to allocate to everyone so we thought up a value system so every person could "equally" gain access to said resources by exchanging something of equal value(money, in the case of our modern society). The only way Marvel's universe would be even remotely passable as likely is if their universe's resources were many, many times less than that of our own. Otherwise, even the most backwater of interstellar civilizations could comfortably support a population many times that of which apparently killed Thanos's planet. The idea of Titan's collapse due to insufficient resources is in itself stupid. With proper managment (the kind which I acknowledge is impossible in a capitalistic society) of resources, a single planet would never run out of them. So yeah, you really can't treat Marvel seriously because it doesn't make any fucking sense.
Hi Nasu, I really love your breakdown of villians. Really interesting how you totally obliterrated the bad character motives of so many franchises and characters. I always think am I being too sceptical, or are these villians just plain bad. Please keep up the brutal honesty, I need to see the "story telling world" in more light and stop blaming my self. Cheers!
Agreed, I think most times is that villains and bad characters tend to have a strong start for motive, then they start to fall off when their plan leads up to only one image. By that I mean they have a single imagination of the future they want, but do not make compromises in much to any way of life for the future. Also that they tend to have a lack for foresight with the way their actions will directly affect others aside from themselves. If any foresight then it drives straight into the deep-end to improve life by destroying others.
A better alternative for Thanos' plan, I think, is to wish for all current resources to renew at the same speed they are removed: for example, if you chop down a tree, a new one inmediately grows back up. That way, the balance is never broken- the one thing he wished more than anything.
I see Pain as a ninja Harry S. Truman, he doesn't want to nuke the world, he wants everyone to know that he can nuke the world and he will do it if any war is declared. It would work, it would be a world ruled by fear, but not different that the Cold War
This one is basic, but you should've included Handsome Jack. He's one of the most perfect examples of this. Dude was a straight up villain and menace, but his reasoning for doing everything he did makes a lot of sense.
Nasu this video is amazing. Your understanding and take on these characters and their philosophies is very deeply thought and all sides considered. I feel like these kinds of videos maybe gave you some fuel to reflect and understand these ideas deeply and really consider and understand where u.. urself lie and what u believe in. I think ppl truly love animes or shows like these because it allows them to see perspectives and emotions. And judge for themself, what is right and wrong. These kinds of shows, present a character and how they do bad things or evil things, at a glance. And then shows the motivation or pain it took the character to do the things they felt they had to do. Introspection on these philosophies have always been the most exciting and teaching moments in life. You dont know life, until you know pain and loss. Hating to sound like “pain” himself. But all these characters have this same philosophy and experience. They go through trauma and pain and in the end… only wants to rid themself and everyone else of it. I think these ppl.. had every potential to be heroes and amazing ppl. But lost their way. These characters are representations of the true martyrs in life. Ppl that have gone through things yet never receiving the acknowledgement or understanding of their pain. This leads to resentment, fear, hate, anger. Feeling of abandonment by ppl u cared for and loved. And yet thru it all.. most of these characters were committing all of these “villain” acts.. out of love, passion, or simply wanting a better life with no pain, loss, anguish. For everyone. What a rant. All this to say… good video Nasu. Really makes an impact. If not for everyone, atleast it made an impact on me.
"the greatest villains in fiction are those with believable motivations" is just untrue. It can be a benefit, but you can not sit there and tell me Sauron wasn't a good villain. He is the epitome of evil for evils sake, yet he is one of the greatest villains of all time. I love villains with good motives, but it's just not as simple as all villains with clear understandable motivations being better than all villains with bad/no clear motivations
"Most compelling" would be a better term. I agree that not all villains need to be sympathetic to be good, I mean Frieza is an unapologeticlly racist mass-murderer with a sense of morality about as strong as Goku's IQ and I love that bastard, but I also agree with Nasu that villains with understandable motivations particularly stick out. Honestly, what iritates me most is when people claim that sympathetic villains are the *only* good villains, as if a story needs to have a Naruto-style antagonist to even matter. Sometimes I want my villain to have good motivations muddied by his past and sometimes I just want an evil mf who'd kick a baby cause it looked at him wrong.
Frieza Johan Liebert Palpatine Ramsay Bolton Doflamingo Aizen Griffith Sauron DIO Joker Shogo Makishima Are few of many examples who are pure evil but also some of the great villains in fiction
Insane, the amount of references in the video made it really entertaining as well as the inclusion of Gurren lagann's brain dead cast, I love them regardless. Speaking of villains, Vergil from DMC5 might also be one of the best villains because he is so damn cool, Not sure if he really is the villain though. Severely underrated channel, Subbed.
One of my favorite villains is Gul Dukat from Star Trek's Deep Space Nine played brilliantly by Marc Alaimo. In the TV series, Gul Dukat sees himself as the hero, not the villain. He believes that he's a pragmatist, not a woolly headed dreamer, or impractical idealist. He constantly sees himself as the only one with "the stomach to do what needs to be done". He's a brutal and utterly ruthless character willing to do pretty much anything at all to attain his goals "for the greater good". What's terrifying about the character is that it's always clear that if he thinks murdering you and thousands of others will help him achieve his "greater good" there is simply no way you're going to be able to reason with him in an attempt to stop him. When his beloved daughter is killed "for the greater good" as precieved by one of his most trusted lieutenants, he literally looses his mind and goes insane. He retreats into a fantasy where his daughter is still alive. Sisko, the main protagonist is forced to abandon Deep Space Nine when it's attacked by Dukat, Sisko leaves a baseball hit by Willy Mays behind to let Dukat know that Sisko intends to return to retake the space station. And after years of war when Sisko does return, Dukat is waiting for him. He's a shattered man. And when Sisko finds him insanely muttering to his dead daughter as if she were still alive it's heart rending. Despite all the evil things Dukat has done the scene, instead of being triumphant, leaves you pitying Dukat regardless of how much he may have earned his fate. ruclips.net/video/iufTXokKnvE/видео.html
Motivations for being Evil: Death Vader: The Woman I love more than anything was stolen from me by the Jedi Lex Luthor: A superhero having that much power is dangerous and needs to be eliminated Thanos: The universe is fundamentally flawed and requires correction Perfect Cell: lol idk
A small counter point: Pure-evil villains can be really good yet. For example, if you are DMing and your players just want to have fun defeating some bad-bitches, a comically evil villain is perfect for that. Or the Tyranids in Warhammer 40K, there is nobargain with them, there is no truce, they want to devour everything in their path. True, they are not saddistic or classicly evil, but they act like a force of nature evil. What I wanna keep in mind is that forcing complex villains may not always be the best idea, I absolutely agree that Thanos was agreat villain, cuz he had a motivation, he had a logic behind his act (wrong logic, but logic XD)
Frieza, Ganondorf, Sephiroth, Kefka, The Joker, Cell, Green Goblin and many others are examples of pure evil villains that are better than a lot of "b-but society Mr. Hero" villains
I feel like every Stone had a part to play in Thanos' Snap. I think he used the Time Stone to half the population at repeating intervals for the rest of Time.
I hate it when people say "thanos was right" like dawg, imagine there was an irl saint that always helped others and never commited sin, then there was the definition of the devil who will kill or cause suffering for his benefit then the saint dies because some edgy kids think people deserve to die because of the bad apples also, why stop at double the resources? the infinity stone can do anything, just give everyone the ability to summon anything useful (buildings/land, food, water etc.)
In theory if he would have doubled the resources wouldn’t it be a good assumption that the population would double as well making the resource doubling moot
Morale of the story, relatable villians are ones that have their valid reason to do what they do but in a more lazy way to the solution without trying to seek better way that doesn't harm others. Wait thats what most human do!
Maruki is one those villains that i 100% agree with his vision...every person is different and so is their suffering, not all of them have strong heart like the protagonist or else we didn't have any crime in this world...if Maruki can give that world, i would gladly live in it. So what if it an easy way? Is it so wrong you want an easy life? If you want to achieve greatness so badly then do it on your own, don't drag me with you. I have my dream but i didn't have any means to achieve it, so i wholeheartedly agree with Maruki philosophy.... I know it sounds like a whining but like i said..is there's any wrong for that?
@@ratedr7845 take it how you will, my point is if there's someone willingly giving me the opportunity to live in a perfect world specifically for you no string attached, I'd live in it
The only downside of Maruki's world is that he could become the next Yadabaoth at any moment Other than that, he basically created an ideal reality where there is no problems anymore and everyone is perfect, i don't think that this is bad as the game tries to imply, and It follows similiar reasons why i'm a law supporter in Smt
@@renren47618 Maruki wouldn't become Yaldabaoth because the latter is an inherently evil and artificial construct from outside humanity's sphere. Maruki was a compassionate human who lived the human experience and had people to genuinely care for. The demiurge was an egomaniac big baby that thought itself the true god and created humanity because Sophia abandoned it outside Pleroma. Basically, a genuine human being that's not a god could feasibly create an ideal world as, of course, that being walks along humanity and doesnt desire to dominate it just because.
Alright, that knitter clip was top tier humor! Definitely one of the last things i expected in this video. But truthfully, I would’ve loved to see Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda included. In the grand scheme of things, all he wanted was to be acknowledged for the hard work he’s put forth to the destiny he was promised, but never given. He’s a really good antagonist and rewatching the movie as an adult has taught me a lot.
Bro was literally fucking evil though oogway knew so he didn't choose him. And he laid waste to the valley immediately afterwards proving his point. TF r u guys on man. It's easy to seem like you know things other people don't when you disregard common sense and common knowledge.
Tai Lung literally threw a tantrum and sieged the land when he was told he wasn't fit to be the Dragon Warrior, immediately proving them right. Sure, he might have been told it was his destiny and he made it his life goal, but still, dragon warrior is still only a title. He still had the skills to be a legendary warrior, protector of the people, but he threw it all away.
@@M4x_P0w3rthere is room to debate that it was shifus doing that resulted in this. We see in the early parts of the first movie how condescending shifu is towards po. Hes certainly not the most compassionate person. And he most likely raised tai lung to be the same. Sometimes its more about your environment
Yeah I got that, i'll keep it in mind. Still they should've learned way ealier before it was too late, "Row Row, Control the Power" As theres only so much a person can handle, espically when the entire univerese is at stake at their incomeptence.
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Additional comments on the villain at 11:25 below (Persona 5 Royal Spoilers):
It is also *incredibly* hypocritical for the Phantom Thieves to oppose Maruki’s plan to rid the world of suffering through cognitive pscience. They make the argument that everyone should have the freedom and autonomy to go at it on their own. To take the world head on and fight for their own happiness. That if the happiness is just created for them, then it’s not true happiness. But they quite literally did the same thing. Not every one of their targets has been a criminal in need of reforming. Futaba was a palace owner who’s distorted desires they took away to allow her to overcome her trauma. She didn’t overcome it on her own, they actively used Metaverse magic to cure her. How are they any different from Maruki who’s trying to do the exact same thing on a planetary scale? Is it because Futaba asked for it to be done? In that case should they not have woken everybody up and asked the masses whether or not they want to return to the past reality?
Idk if I am remembering the game correctly here or just making shit up but I remember this hypocrisy being Marukis main argument against the phantom thieves with them not being able to come up with any counter arguments, because in the end what they are doing is the same thing. I think I also remember the ending being about them coming to terms with not being phantom thieves anymore, so that they can actually support their ideology of learning from trauma. I am not disagreeing with your point on Maruki being in the right here btw I just think that this gives at least some justification to what the phantom thieves are doing.
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They don’t know they’re in a dream in the infinite Tsukiyomi.
Thanos is right. Nerdy incels need to go but thankfully they are involuntarily celibate so they taking care of that already.
SELL OUT!
Ultron spent one day on the internet and decided humans needed to die. Can’t say I blame him
Most relatable villainous motivation
Bruh. HAHA... Ultron is still One Dimensional, but this makes sense.
The internet shows all
@@theend-nz6vs but shows the worst part first and best part last.
He saw 4chan, Twitter and Reddit.
I've met enough evil people in real life to realize that some people are evil for literally no reason. It's not a cliche, it's something that happens in real life.
True, most of evil people are just assholes...by choice!
👏👏👏👏 folks just really look for a reason justify evil. They always do wickedness for no reason other than the fact that God simply isn't in them
Exactly. Some people are just naturally psychopaths.
@@lukejones7164 I'd say that it's less due to nature and more a choice they make at some point.
It always has a reason, especially if you look into their childhood
Fun Fact about Thanos: There's a little detail in Guardians of the Galaxy during the prison line-up scene that says Gamora is the "last of her race", yet Thanos says that her planet is thriving. Dude either didn't check because he was too scared to disappoint his daughter or simply because he didn't want to be wrong.
Or its a plothole
@@ptero93 90% of comics have this though because there’s comics that either continue that thought or the other one so there’s no real plot hole
It's just a plot hole bro different directors worked on GotG 1 and IW and the movies are 3 years apart
@@Evets_03 you can't put something like that in a movie without conveying it to the audience, so its still a plothole. And also - really bruh? You think they actually did some shit like that? Definitely not
@@ThwipThwipBoom The thing about that statement is that James Gunn actually admitted that there was a plothole in the exact same scene and it was Rocket being an accomplice with Lyja when he knows that'll contradict what he has planned. That and he's also admitted that it was a plot hole with the Stan Lee bit.
The difference here is it's deliberate otherwise he would've jumped the gun and immediately point it out like he did with the other two points I mentioned.
You may say "the movies are 3 years apart", keep in mind there's a scene in The First Avenger where when Steve saves Bucky, you can hear him whispering to himself as if he was being brainwashed.
Seriously, I recommend watching the MCU again. There's a lot of small stuff to be picked-up on. At least the Infinity Saga.
The fact that Dracula actually gave them a whole yr to leave the town, but then instead, they threw a party on the anniversary!!!! I'd upper room everyone
😂😂😂😂😂 I agree with you.
See I agree with Dracula wiping out all of humanity in Wallaca, it's the whole world wide genocide I don't agree with.
As someone once said, the best villains are individuals who could've been the protagonists of another story.
Nice way to put it
YES
Anyone know the song at 9:12?
Thanos was kinda written to be the protagonist of Infinity War
I can't think of who else could be the main character of that movie other than him
In a world without gold we could have been heroes
Edward thatch
The worst part about the Lisa's death was that Dracula gave them one year to flee the land before he begins to body people, but instead of doing the reasonable thing and FLEEING THE COUNTRY, they chose to CELEBRATE the day of his wife's death instead, which was also the day that DRACULA WAS GOING TO BODY THEM.
Btw the anime is called Castlevania
what show is this?
@@CuriousMuse2224 Thanks
@@Rob-Bless_Jr ik now. i watched the first season and its is a banger anime.
@@mr.funnni btw its getting a sequel too!!!
@@mr.funnni
season 2 can be a drag and underwhelming and quite a bit bummer,
but dont drop and keep watching, season 3 is absolutely worth it
Doctor Doom also was pretty logical. He saw every future and the only one without death and destruction was the one where he ruled the planet. He even met Wakanda's panther god (Bast) who kills all impure hearts and survived the encounter.
he is the best, mcu better not ruin him
Anyone know the song at 9:12?
Lmao that is terrible reasoning. Just cause someone would theoretically do soemtjing in the future you punish them now? And every human has an impure heart lmao that’s just ridiculous 😂 we’re not perfect😂
Not saying he was a nice guy, actually he tries to do a heroic thing in a villainous way, but no its not up to theory. Doom knew something no one else did, he's seen all futures through his own vision and it was completely true. In the end it was about ruling the world to protect it. Power and wealth were just perks to him. I mean the guy saved his mothers soul from eternal damnation. Even one time Doom went to the vibranium vault in Wakanda and as I already mentioned had to present his soul to Bast the panther god. If Doom had an ounce of greed or hatred in him, he would've been killed by Bast. Doom rules over an entire country with happy people living in it, just as long as they pledge undying loyalty to him. He wants power that's for sure, but Doom having power benefits his peoples safety. Quite frankly he's a better ruler than most in the Marvel Universe. No matter how cruel or sickening of a action he makes, it will more often than not serve a single optimistic purpose. I'd say he's not totally evil, but moreso brash and arrogant because he definitely has good intentions in his brilliant mind.
Doom is fun but he is basically satan
What I've come to realize growing up and what fiction writers have been trying to tell us all these years is that there's a difference between Broken people and Evil people.
everybody is a hero in their own story
@@juanito6340 Not true in some cases.
@@juanito6340then they're evil due to they bring harm towards innocent people.
@@juanito6340 Not true in some cases, Like Alfred said in The Dark Knight: Some Men just want to watch the world burn
@@umbralowlso that's proven the top comments point
Castlevania has so many moments where the villains are right and the conversations Issac has with his night creatures are so good
They really did a fantastic job fleshing out Dracula's hate for mankind and I was blown away by what they did with Isaac. His game counterpart is a pretty generic edgy rival, but the anime's version is the best written character arc I've seen in years. Was nice that they gave a reasoning for why Death has always served Dracula, which had always been unclear in the games beyond the vague implication that an alchemical artifact bound Death to Dracula as his servant, back when Dracula was still Matthias.
Castlevania was such a great show
You realize that Isaac’s arc is about him realizing that his opinion, and by extension Dracula’s, on humanity is wrong? He literally grows from secondary villain to secondary hero in 3 seasons.
The villains were never right. Only you edgelords think so.
@@Ismael-kc3ry yes. Which is why I said I like the conversations between him and his night creatures. And I never said the villains were straight up right about everything, do any of you actually ready? I said there was many moments where they were right...I never said their way of the thinking was absolute. Both sides can be right, humans are cruel, but we have the ability to be better, to be kinder, to be more...human. I swear how do you people mange to be so negative about being positive.
Gus being a villain doesn't really matter because he made good chicken
Look at me Hector
That's exactly right
You're goddamn right.
Last chance to look at me, hector.
@@peacefulskies9320 *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding*
Dr Doofensmirz could’ve had a good reasoning for why he always tries to destroy the city. If you know his absolutely DEVASTATING backstory then you can find a good reason why he does it. He wants acknowledgment. He wants Perry the Platapus’s friendship because no one else acknowledged his existence than Perry himself. But unless he doesn’t try shit like this Perry won’t be his rival. He thinks he NEEDS to play this game with Perry because otherwise he’d be a nobody like he always was. Just my take
That's a great take
I mean. . . . . . Everyone forgets he has a daughter. . . . So he had a woman . . . . It's fair to say he wasent always the way he is now, it's just his idea of going forward 🤷♂️
Honestly a great take bro
Dr Doof never really felt like a villain. If anything, he felt more like a hero.
His own parents didn’t show up to his birth. Saddest backstory ever.
Didnt Phineas and Ferb mom inspire Doof to take over Tristate
Madara was the first villain to make me disappointed that he didn't win, his dream was so good to not be achieved
even as he was dying he never stopped believing that his idea to eliminate hatred was the right thing to do, and that what Naruto and Sasuke believed was completely wrong and that they would be unable to eliminate the circle of hatred, which ended up happening neither Naruto nor Sasuke were able to eliminate conflicts from the shinobi world
Yeah but he just did it in the wrong way TBH
@@Aioradeleo27 But they literally reduced it to insignificant degrees
I think It was to give us a life lesson that it is really important to nurture the next generation we can't do everything by ourselves
@@tanmaysrivastava6061 we needed bro for gen alpha
I'm glad Dracula was brought up here. I love how he displays each stage of grief. By the end of the second second he's just.... apathetic. The hatred and fury is still there, but its barely under this thick grimy layer of "I'm just fucking tired."
the only time we see him roused from his lethargy is during the final conflict with Belmont and Sypha, but even then then it's more like mild amusement at the whole thing rather than a blood thirsty quest for vengeance. It's only when Alucard confronts Dracula do we see some of that old fury and hate rise to the surface. This is likely Dracula repressing the very real feelings of love and compassion that he has for his son, because when we later see that façade crack it more or less figuratively cripples him both physically and emotionally.
Dracula is one of the few villains I've seen in modern media where their apathy is actually explored. Dracula is a villain with survivor's guilt.
That was a great way to explain it. Good job.
dracula does seem like he just hates humans at first, but getting into the second season (the proper one) every second person to talk to him suggests that if they are overpowering humans so easily, why don't they just farm them since killing all humans would remove their own food supply. Dracula responds to this by threatening to eat them where they stand but before pissing him off you can see he's just planning the slowest most elaborate suicide
"The suffering doesn't matter anymore. Only the death"
I never watched the show but it looks good
I'm just glad you spelt "façade" right.
8:49 That's a powerful line, "Lies? In your house of God? No wonder he has abandoned you."
Such a raw line
Loved it
I was looking for this comment 😭that shit gave me goosebumps
It's so tuff 😭
It's the most ignorant line I've heard. People who follow God aren't perfect. Nor are they supposed to be. That's why we follow God because he knows we are sinners but he still wants a personal relationship with us.
I'm glad Dr. Doof got the representation he deserved in this video, truly the best villain in all of modern fiction. In all seriousness though y'all I think we can all agree that the worst villain...is needing to always choose what you're going to cook each night, that's why this videos sponsor-
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@@sameeghkoeberg6959 One could say it is super easy - barely an inconvenience.
Life
Anyone know the song at 9:12?
Tbh, one thing Thanos completely underestimated is the fact that people find more efficient ways to use dwindling resources and even find new ways to use resources that were worthless before.
Killing half of all people is also killing half of all potential people who could find the next source of bountiful clean energy, or create an agricultural innovation that could help feed millions.
by that same logic theres a chance he just wipes away all the bad people and get lucky that only good/smart people remain
@@SamFagundes the chance of doing what the first guy said is significantly higher
@@SamFagundescrazy extrEme 😂
That logic only applies to things such as energy. You can't make venison magically have more calories for example. You can't double all air without killing everyone because to much oxygen is a painful way to die. Thanos also stated *ALL* life, imagine you are deer and suddenly another deer appeared just so people can kill it because someone deemed your species a resource and not life. That isn't fair to them. Thanos picked the most moral of two horrible options.
@@ChangedCauseYT-HateFoxNamesthe OP isn't saying that Thanos should create MORE life, he's saying that Teo heads are better than one. Which is why the god complex is so harmful. One person cannot, never has, never will, and never can hope to create a solution for everyone that fits perfectly. Some people have better ideas than others of how to do certain things. Erasing half of the potential of all life to do something better than before is a serious waste of potential. He got on his high horse because he was strong and had the ability to decide other people's life, whether they would live or die and thought it actually sounded smart to kill half of all life forms to save resources, much of which is life forms, because most things subsist off of them. He creates the same problem unless you have the ability to survive off of Inorganic material.
Another point to add is that the Thanos snap was confirmed to also get rid of half of all plant life, so he removed half of the resources, therefore he killed people for literally no reason
Well i mean...
If the Whole becomes Half and another Whole gets a Half Too, (Humans/Resources)
Therefore the Half gets the Other Half! Making the Half People rebuild again with their Half Resource's, making them Whole.
Balance as all things should be.
@@anotherordinaryfellow6935 is this supposed to be a brain Twister or am I just too exhausted or stupid or both?
@@AnimeKat8849
Both, Balanced as all things should be.
No
Him removing half of the population let's there be more room for supplies seeing as humans wouldn't be taking up as much space
@@bottomtier3823 but supplies are halved too
I think Thanos' plan was flawwed because of the fact that it's not a lack of resources but the exploitation of said resources. Even if we were to double the resources, someone would still find a way to use it their gain at the suffering of others but that's just my two cents.
Capitalist mentality is Bella strong
@@thahirshibu5042it's a cruel world we lived in
@@azrieldalusong5042 Lived?! Are we dead?! 😭
Yeah like even if universe is populated with 100 of 1000 of emipere or some shit there is still enough resources for people to live
The planet was destroyed by the celestial that was inside the planet, after the population grew to a certain size.
I love that every Naruto villain is just trying to fix their broken, war ridden world.
I mean, except Orochimaru. He’s… he’s kinda doing his own thing…
Orochimaru parent where kill by the second hokage because they help to create a ninjisu. The second hokage didn't want to have any leak possible
@@sg-qs2mi it's just headcannon, nothing is really explained
Actually Orochimaru only wants immortality for all, he was just tired of seeing people dying all the time. The only person that doesn't have an excuse in the naruto franchise is Danzo.
At some point Orochimaru did when he was talking to hiruzen (also jiraiya) in one of his backstories
@@philipraphaelw9492 Danzo is Chaotic Evil
3:35 Thanos couldn’t double the resources cuz it would accelerate the Celestials plan. There are celestials seeds in most planets with intelligent life, because they use the energy from them to finally hatch. Thanos snapped his fingers to slow this process down
Magneto learned very early just how powerful and op his powers actually are I respect him a lot for walkin into every fight and dragging his nuts all over the X-men 😂
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dragging his what 😳😳😳😳😟😟😮🥶
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BROOO OMG!!!
Another huge flaw with Thanos’ plan is that, there ISNT a lack of resources. There’s a lack of equitable distribution of resources. Some places have wayyyyy more than enough, some places are barely surviving.
Bro has no clue about the most basic plot points
I wanted him to win so bad lmao
Thanos was not just focus on earth, so other planets may have distribute their resources equally with the same results of lost there for i see no flaw. but for the record in the comics thanos did all this so that death would love him.
This is fallocy. For example, say you have two countries. One with plenty, one starving. The plentiful country has one and a half cups worth of food production, and only needs one cup worth to sustain itself.
The starving country only makes half a cup of food in production, but needs one cup of food to sustain itself.
The quick answer is the plentiful country should share its surplus. Now both countries are comfortable. As the population grows, you need more food.
Assuming neither has gotten more land nor hospitable growing environments, now both countries need an additional half cup of food. The formerly plentiful country is now the villain. Do we protect our own citizens and commit genocide by inaction? Will the other country go to war knowing there isn't enough?
Tl,Dr; distribution isn't the answer
@@DaOneDaOnlyBMan huh? If populations increase in both and you don't have the means to support both, that does not mean redistribution didn't help. Did it solve everything in this hypothetical made up story? No, but it did help the people in the poorer country.
Are you suggesting the abundant country do nothing while it benefits from having so much while another country starves? Or should one help the other while it can?
Abundant country should help with resources both directly and intellectually if the poorer country is lacking so they they can collectively produce enough for both. The answer is not to genocide and get rid of the suffering people to remove suffering. The answer is to think as a collective existence rather than nationalistically. There is not "my people" and "your people"
There is just "people"
This rings true on all levels, macro and micro. Should I only think about my self or should I also help my family? Should I think about my family or also think about other families? Should those families think about just themselves or also their towns? Should those towns think about other towns too?
The answer is obvious. All humans should be considerate of all other humans and when one has something the other needs, the solution is clear end mutually beneficial. Teach your neighbor how to fish, and feed them the fish you have to spare.
“As a human myself”
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Best line ever uttered in RUclips
To me the villain speech that hits home will always be Doflamingo’s speech on justice. On how children that never now peace have different values from those who never know war. And how the victors control what right and wrong. How they choose the future and chose how the past is seen. The winner defines what justice is.
“Will justice triumph, you say?”
“Of course it will”
“Because the winners become justice”
Yeah that was great. It’s amazing how much “right” and “wrong” can be manipulated based on who’s in charge.
Lol how u mid piece kids always seeks attention because Naruto is here 😂🤦
Pains whole idea was living in peace through utter domination. Pain believed that with the 10 tails power as well as his own, that he would be 100% unbeatable in every scenario, and I kinda get it. People say to prevent war, you must make the idea of victory seem hopeless, and pain was trying to achieve just that. True hopelessness, a power that truly cannot be beaten
I've never seen Naruto, but I fully understand Pain's beliefs. He lived during a hopeless war, and in the darkest times the pain brought him and his family closer together than ever. He wants to instill that feeling into others to make the world a better place.
Or at least that's what I gather.
@@Endermania I'm not gonna watch anime
@@Endermania although naruto is great (my profile picture is literally pain's main form) I wouldn't recommend random people watching that anime since its really long, has a lot of filler and starts out with really old animation
@@KingKayro87 deciding you won't watch something simply because of its format seems shallow
@@richborn6700 I don't care
Pain was a great villain great backstory great motivation great goal great organisation great philosophy and quotes i mean he has everything
Fr, one of the best villains in anime history imo
He only lacked a good resolution. Another victim of Talk no zutsu
Naruto should've ended there honestly.
@@Metro.... I agree.
never watched naruto dont knew much about it tbh,
but his motivation and plans sound kinda goated.
but my respect for this show that i never watched just increased hundred fold out of nowhere just for how he goated he is
"You only see good and evil, black and white, while I need to keep things grey"-Cecil, Invincible
The thing about Gurren Lagans completely brain dead cast is that whether they know it or not spiral energy can legitimately do anything. The universe doesnt end due to too much power because theres so much power they can just stop it. So yes in response to a meteorite falling theyre plan would just be "handle the situation."
The story's villains are dumb because they think they're smart and the protagonists are smart because they're dumb as hell. They take things at face value and eliminate all evil and it turns out to be the GOOD option because the villains, while they think they're justified, are just cowards who never directly try to confront the problems they have, instead resorting to cowardly shit like dusting an entire race under the rug because they THINK they might be a problem. They think they know everything, but they absolutely don't.
That's a realistic problem, actually. people at the top being so self-assured that they do the most dumbass things and think it's the right thing to do. It's basically just extremism.
Their answer would simply be “row row fight the power”
In order to stop spiral power from ending the universe we will use more spiral power to stop spiral power from ending the universe
@@NasuPrime simply use counter-clockwise spiral power.
@@blackraptor1154 might you be suggesting, they gatekeep spiral energy, and spend the rest of their lives stopping people from crossing a boundary, or in other words, become an “Anti” -Spiral
Madara winning actually wouldn’t be the worst thing. Itachi did something similar to his girlfriend before he killed her, showing her a life where they have children and lived happily. She even thanked him when he released her from the Genjutsu.
I agree, as long as you don't ever notice it's a dream, for example, ya know how some people realize their dreaming and then control it, lucid dreaming, if that happened in the tsunokiyomi or however you spell it, then it would be sad because it's not real
@@IIIISai yeah, that would be terrible. Knowing you’re dreaming but can’t wake up.
@@SushiBurritoPapi would it really? I get what u mean but knowing ur in a dream but cant wake up is comforting as you can live out whatever reality you want
Didn't you pay attention, Madara literally couldn't win. He didn't actually understand the true nature of the Mugen Tsukuyomi; everyone in it would eventually die and become white zetsu even if Black Zetsu didn't manage to kill or weaken him enough for Kaguya to come out (although it's hard to imagine how or why he could fail at that based on what we saw). The result of Madara winning isn't that everyone gets to live forever in the Genjutsu, instead they live for a while but then die and all humans become extinct.
@@MachineCode0 still you would get to live the happiest life possible (maybe several) then die, sounds pretty good to me. Besides with Madara in charge I’m sure he would notice people dyeing and just breed more. Humans aren’t meant to live forever living a happy life then death is the best we can hope for.
As a hip hop fan i noticed you used the instrumental of MF DOOM‘s song Doomsday at the first few minutes, for those that don‘t know why this is so awesome it‘s because MF DOOM was the villain of the music industry, using the character dr doom as inspiration. So yea it‘s cool that you included him as background music for a villain list
real one here ☝🏽
could instantly hear the instrumentals and love to see more love of DOOM, the madvillain himself
Man of culture 🤝🏾
i dont think it was even a day it was only a few minutes 💀
Didn't notice that tbh. Heard the name before, but didn't know the story behind it. Thanks.
Don’t you just love how gus is in the thumbnail but not covered in the video
He is, didn't you hear him say he was sus?
Absolutely killer voice acting from Dracula's VA in Castlevania, easily the best performance on the show
I agree 😂😂
18:40 "Neither of his parents showed up to his own birth"... I think I'm having an aneurysm!
To me itachi is a really good villain with a valid reason for what he did for the most part I don’t even call him a villain he just did what he had to do so a one sided and very destructive war wouldn’t break out
Agreed. I just don’t truly understand why he continued to traumatize Sasuke instead of telling him the truth. Whether Sasuke believed him is besides the point, but at least he… y’know… tried? Itachi’s actions, while logical, still set off a chain reaction.
@@Felicite-Etoile Because Itachi wanted to die. In spite of all he said, he selfishly wished for death at the hands of his kin - the very kin he was forced to slaughter.
i will get revenge on my brother!!
-kayden uchiha
@@Felicite-Etoile What you should understand is there are people who blindly fanboy without thinking first because of shallow reasons such as first impression, looks, charisma etc. In the anime ITACHI HIMSELF said that he messed up so bad and he couldn't even beg SASUKE to forgive him so he said he will support Sasuke's decision no matter which way he go! Which means Itachi shouldn't have tortured his 5 yo little brother, yet still people thinks Itachi was right and Sasuke was wrong, Sasuke succeded to make Danzo piss in the pants, while Itachi is trying to figure out his messed up life, Itachi is the most failed and overrated Villain in Naruto universe
Yup, it’s so clear it’s not even interesting.
Another interesting one is the phantom troupe from HxH. They're motives and actions are not as clean as these examples however they show they care about the other members and manage to follow a code of conduct better than almost any other group in media I've seen.
In fairness isnt there a group of Flash villains that also have a strict moral code. They are villains but they arent as evil as others
Thanos being a simp for a hot girl makes him the most relatable villain.
Considering the current state of the MCU, I’m starting to believe Thanos was the true hero all along.
Old movies from 1980-2010 are much better.
He should have went all in fr
He should have snapped away Disney/Marvel 🤣
-Twerking she hulk-
No thanos was literally a damn maniac sorry to say this and burst ppls bubbles but regardless of his philosophy Thanos had the gauntlet and used it for violence when he literally could have improved the Earth's resources with a snap but Barney ain't think of that
Honourable mention is Ultron. He saw what's on the internet and immediately decided to wipe out humanity.
I think he saw twitter and tik tok
@@MarcellusJasonClay Definitely
@@MarcellusJasonClay and the dark web
He saw reddit, tiktok and twitter oh and furry po..
I think certain villains like Emperor Palpatine, Morgoth Darkseid work best when they are presented as archetypes of ultimate, irredeemable evil in the plot. I mean how can one humanize a character who's inherently meant to be the embodiment of all evil?
Yeah I'm actually tired of all "he was misunderstood hero or villain all along" type of villains. That's basically every villain in Naruto. That's why Aizen is top modern day Shonen villain imo. Dude was evil and that was it.
@@Thiago_Alves_Souza Aizen could actually have a noble cause we were just never told about it. He wanted to get to the soul palace and kill the soul king because he was tired of him just watching and wanted the ruler of the world to do shit. What makes Aizen my favorite anime villain is the lack of information and mystery surrounding him.
Big Jack Horner also comes to mind.
@@capitalism7189 he might have a justification but it wasn't due to some noble cause, he wanted ultimate power and serve no one. That's why he asked Urahara as why a man with his intellect would serve the Soul King? Knowing Kisuke to be the only man smart enough and the only man he actually feared, it baffled Aizen why he didn't vy for the ultimate power as well.
That in itself is evil, he cared nothing for humanity nor the well being of the world.
In the original expanded universe, we got Palpatine's backstory, and I loved how they didn't try and give him a tragic reason for becoming who he was. Yeah, his dad was a dick, but Palpatine was a sociopathic monster with insatiable ambition from the get go.
"The greatest villains in fiction are those with believable motivations. Not necessarily ones you agree with, but ideas where you can look at the villain and say "yeah. Yeah I can see how you got here."
Yup. That's it. That's why I like Vergil from the Devil May Cry series. Especially if you've read any the books. He's been through a lot. Justifying his actions is a whole other situation entirely, but you can't look at him and think "Nah, he's just doing this to be doing it." Everything that man does is driven by trauma, grief, guilt, and pain. He's got a tough facade because he'd fall apart if he didn't.
EDIT: I know that Vergil is more of an Antagonist than a villain, but you get what I mean 😂
Virgil is no villain, he's the source of my motivation bro.
@@fromthesouthofafrica6815 ikr? Everyday he motivates me, I look at him and realize that I too… can have a chair like that.
He's motivated tho
Reason like that are imo way better than "i want to be the ruler of the universe" type reasons
@@shimaphys yeah, and that's what motivates him to redirect his intentions. He went from literally from falling apart to reconstituting himself and finding new resolution. No, he didn't really change. He just revealed a side no one knew existed.
I remember the Anti-Spiral telling Simon that he'll have to protect the universe and he's just like "yea, don't worry"
Heroes see this world in a more idealistic way, while villains see it in a more realistic way. And that is why they are hated.
I can't believe Metal Gear wasn't included here. Solidus Snake exemplifies the "villain that was onto something" better than any of the others in the series.
Haven't played enough Metal Gear tbh and my brain hurts every time I try to wrap my head around the story
@@NasuPrime the story is nonsense with a lot of cool things about it
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 It's messy if you look at all the games as a whole but 1, 2 and 3 all have amazing stories individually.
@@daboos6353 just pretend nothing came after 3 and revengeance just magically happened on its own and it's fine
Metal gear solid is a class I poitical science
5:40 YOOOO, never knew that Thanos's mother was such a baddie!!!!
18:31 everyone: "you fight the mentally ill on a daily basis" Bat man: "I fight the crimally insane".
One villain I think of is Zemo because he was more aware of how superherroes actually caused a lot of damage. Because of the actions of Stark, the villain Ultron was born, who nearly destroyed the human race, and because they didn't stop him quick enough, did end up destroying Sercovia.
These heroes had nearly unmatched powers and was not beholden to any agency or government, and if they ever turned bad, or created something bad, which they did, intentionally or not, they ended up causing more problems than they solve. Also assuming they actually solved much of anything. If you think about it, because of their actions, they ended up creating more of a possibility for Thanos than ever before, which created destruction for half of the world.
And let's not forget that they didn't even truly fix that problem: by not setting things to back before the blip, they created the refugee crisis which caused the problems of the flag smashers and even more debt, instability, and probably more that we are not even aware of yet.
The Avengers were never heroes, cause real heroes shouldn't work for a government that routinely fucked over its citizens for centuries. Most of them were killers and vigilantes.
Stark caused 80% of their problems, cosmic other ish caused like another 15%. And Stark is usually at the center of destruction because he's a weapons manufacturer, not because of superhumans. Rarely are the heroes actually the cause of trouble, they just deal with it. Honestly, without the avengers NYC would be a nuclear wasteland so people should be grateful the little damage taken was all that Earth sustained.
Thanos disappeared everyone, but the Avengers causes the subsequent issues? Make that make sense.
why does this sound like the z-fighters from dragon ball?
I like how as the mcu goes on Thanos becomes more justified.
Y'know, the She-Hulk TV series really was a thought-provoking series that really makes the viewer question their morality by raising the possibility of a bright future where Thanos truly won and the She-Hulk TV series never had to exist.
Yeah thanos is justified while ignoring a single ounce of logic and actively have the narrative revolve around how he’s “right.” In reality, thanos only had the right belief, but his solution is utter garbage.
You know what happens when you snap away not only half of all overpopulated life, but half of all endangered life, and especially half of trees out of existence? Global warming, nuclear war, food chain in utter disarray, and let’s also ignore how earth would turn into Venus if half of all bacteria just suddenly disintegrated.
Thanos is not only wrong, he screwed up the planet entirely.
I love villains that put me in moral dilemmas, but it does have to be said that not all villains have to be morally ambiguous, a total evil like the intelligent machines in Matrix or the lich from adventure time can be used intelligently to develop characters and achieve a thoughtful resolution.
I’ll say it: are the machines really evil, or just trying to survive with a power source (humans)? Morpheus says that the humans were the ones that scorched the sky.
Bill Cipher
Thanos: "Supply chains? What is that?"
The problem with Thanos, is the fact that he has stones that he can do literally anything with, and he decided to kill half of people in the universe, rather than doubling space, and resources.
You can’t create more space or create more galaxies or something like that with the help of infinity stones. Infinity stones doesn’t provide the power to do that. And for the resources , if you think doubling the resources would work , you are have an average iq and you’re just normal with no speciality. Cause doubling the resources is a suicide. Its way more catastrophic and dangerous than thanos’s plan. Now i say your sentence in a different way.
Thanos had the most power in the universe , he could do anything , he could rule the universe , he could slaughter every planet , he could kill anyone , he could be the most powerful maniac in the universe but he decided to save the universe and save the life the universe possessed. He could have done anything but he decided to save the universe
@@ManishaPatel-sl8dp
"he could do anything"
"Infinity stones doesn't provide the power to do that"
"average IQ"
make it make sense, my guy.
@@ManishaPatel-sl8dp dude the infinity stones can do literally anything also "average IQ" as an insult? damn someone's never gonna get laid.
Thank you. I can’t stand edgelords that sympathize with a maniac like thanos.
@@lonekie by the "anything" , i meant anything that can be done by the gauntlet. I didn't meant "everything". He could have done anything what the gauntlet can do. He could have gone a very evil path but .
I was expecting Count Dooku to show up as a character explanation. He truly did want the Galaxy to be a better place and never gave himself into darkside completely. But, if we are talking only about big screen, it seems like he's just another random dude showing up to be the villain.
The movie did his character dirty. Coulda been so much more
@@NasuPrime Dirty? He had enormous charisma and badassery thanks to Christopher Lee!
He also appeared to be a pretty great contrast to Anakin. While Anakin was a Jedi on the brink of turning to the Dark Side, Dooku was the most light-side-oriented Sith in existence. Dooku was also the master of the late Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi whose death may have sealed Anakin's fate. And his final fight with Anakin mirrors the final fight between Luke and Vader in Episode VI, where in that fight Luke turns away from his hate and anger and denies the Emperor his victory, while in this fight in Episode III Anakin gives in to his hatred and to Palpatine's will and executes the unarmed prisoner.
He might seem like a random villain until that scene in EP 2 where he's almost begging obi wan to see his side of things and help him. Dooku wanted to kill Sidious just like the Jedi.
Lelouch should have been on here as he, like pain, became a symbol of hate and sacrifices himself to create world peace.
I forgot the goat. 😔
@@NasuPrime I'd also add Light Yagami from the Death Note musical. In it he starts off wanting to fix a broken system only to become something worse.
Agent Smith belongs on this list too. I am still amazed how everyone's rooting for the humans in the Matrix trilogy when they've extinguished all life except for a handful of themselves on the one planet that had the capacity to support it. Smith's speech on how humans are a disease is also one of the most chilling ones an antagonist has narrated.
Same thing said Ocean Masters in Aquaman and the Eco-Terrorists in Godzilla King of the Monster
Agreed they all say exactly the fucking same thing …humans only look to gain unnecessarily towards bieng on a upper class instead of caring about the actual race…animals DO not act like this
You could say that for agent smith in the 1st movie but then he essentially just becomes a virus that wants to make everything himself
man that maruki part was great. RIP billy kametz 🙏🏾
One of my favorite part about pain and madara is that by losing madara accidentally did what pain tried to do
I don’t think it was much of an accident. I think obito agreed with pain to an extent which is why he started the war cause if you think about it there wasn’t much of a need for that he could’ve just pinned down the locations of naruto and bee and completed project tsuki no me in secret but instead he wanted to show the world despair and pain.
19:27 He said that 💀💀💀💀
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Entertaining this ending does the opposite of focusing on themes of individuality. You'd be giving Maruki and Marada the option to control yoir and others' lives, which is one of the big reasons they are considered villains.
I'm glad Magneto was brought up here. His idea of the future was logical, while Charles was just a hopeless optimistic. Days of future past proves it.
Except DOFP happened BECAUSE of mutant terrorism. The truth lies in between Magneto's and Charles's ideals. Mutants and humans should live together in their own nations away from humans.
I love that Madara and Maruki were brought up here, nothing the heroes said disproved what they were trying to achieve. Like you said, what right do they have to stop everyone else from living an objectively better life just because they are somewhat fine with thier current reality?
Everyone should have a choice. Not just our main cast of characters
That is because the heroes in Naruto are stupid lol Naruto couldn't even give Pain a good reason to undo his plans, yet Pain still did.
And Madara's plan sucked ass too. Is he going to mantain their physical bodies? Maybe the tree is able to do that but still, if everyone lives in a constant state of happiness forever and never have to work to get anything they want, be it power, lovers, etc then their happiness will eventually become meaningless to themselves and they will get depressed or numb. Just see how sudden millionaires get depressed so often.
There is no happiness if that's all there is. Happiness is relative. If they take away all struggle and pain in some alternate reality it would just be numb and meaningless. It's much better to work to achieve your own happiness by fighting against adversity.
@@NasuPrime but Maruki is also deciding for loads of people as well, he's decided that everyone should live in a perfect reality and has essentially robbed people who could grow and overcome their problems by themselves the opportunity to do so which is what Morgana and the other thieves were saying, Akechi keeps saying that he doesn't want to exist in this reality and would rather go back to the old one even if it means he's dead but despite that Maruki ignores that desire and forces him to live in this reality because he thinks it's best, the whole point of the third semester is that neither Maruki or the Thieves are entirely right or wrong they're both fighting for different groups of people but the Thieves ultimately have the moral high ground because life is cruel and will beat you down but if you have the power to overcome what life throws at you them you should because that's how you grow and evolve as people just like the thieves did throughout the whole game, so how is it not okay for the main characters to decide for everyone else but it's fine when Maruki does it? Not everybody would want his reality
@@PicaShing I think the issue really is that, there should be a way to allow each person to choose by themselves what life they want to live, if everyone could choose then you would have some people go live their old lives and some stay in this perfect reality, as in, to each their own.
What’s scary is…We never have this much sympathy and empathy for real criminals. I wonder why we do for fictional characters.
Because with these shows/stories we get to know them as a person. With criminals, all we can really get is what they tell us, and even then it's just gonna be eclipsed by whatever charge they committed is in the headlines
One week working in corrections and you will see that 99% of "real" criminals are pieces of shi*
@@skillexx479 also, sympathizing on such things is unacceptable in society. Meanwhile, the same people in society is wishing for petty thieves to go to hell and suffer for all eternity and be burned again and again and get tortured and psychologically destroyed in every way possible. "Justice" as one would call it. In media, it seems that justice is just a twisted desire to see other people in pain and suffering (especially people who supposedly did bad things in their perspective). And that's their only justification for their insane idea of justice. Extreme torture. Jail just isn't enough, I guess. People want pleasure out of seeing what they find disgusting fail. Which I totally understand, but there must be a limit. And the limit should be surprisingly low.
Villains don't bring harm to real people. Real criminals do.
Even then we've seen the glorification of some irl criminals, esp with the rise of true crime.
Because real criminals can really harm us lmao. Name one real world criminal that wasn't doing things for selfish reasons. Thanos is liked because while his actions were evil, his intentions were selfless.
“Only one problem with his plan…. Its shit…” 😂 liked and subbed m8
Thanks for reminding me about how crazy Ninja Storm 2's character select music is.
Undefeated menu music. Be starting up the game just to sit in character select
Really cool to see Gurren Lagann here, if the point of the series wasn't that humans have basically no limits, then it would have been interesting to see a Simon agreeing with the Anti-Spiral and basically doing the same as Lord Genome
Fight the power
That’s exactly what Rossiu did. He gave into fear and despair, leading him to act just like a new Spiral King
@@cinematographyexplored7751 true, but with a little bit more democratie
@@cinematographyexplored7751 No Rossiu is a neccessary counter balance to Simon. They made a point of telling us that Simon knows that unlimited use of spiral power will lead to the destruction of the universe. Unlimited energy in a finite system is a recipee for disaster. That's why he retired and left the leading to Rossiu at the end of the show and it is also why he didn't bring back Nia.
@@scrapox217 100% and that's what this video missed. Simon did offer an alternative solution and that was to not be consumed by the power but to step aside. The antispirals solution was dominion over everything which was the point Simon was fighting against.
The common misconception about the argument against Thanos is that doubling the resources would be bad because the amount of consumption per population is exponential so doubling the resourced would disappear just as quickly
Like the poster said definitely not a good plan, but doubling resources wouldn't solve the issue
With the stones he could have just made everyone immortal and infertile. This would cause a different set of problems but fix the resources issue. Or alternatively changed the universe to such an extent that there is no shortages or suffering at all. But I think part of his character was that he lacked imagination
but his fucking idea of destroying half the population is also only a temporary fix at the most. he could've done an infinite amount of different stuff to fix the problem that he only assumed to exist (his planet is the only one that succumbed to the problem to everyone's knowledge). Thanos is made to be incredibly dumb
Killing people doesn't solve it either. It doesn't make the problem go away. It's ignoring the source of the problem, and that's the allocation of the resources. In the real world, we don't have a food shortage, food just gets wasted and isn't distributed based on need. So the problem isn't over population, the problem is capitalism.
You can map out the effectiveness of Thano's plan with bacterial colonies, if you killed half the population, bacteria would just grow back, and population would just curve itself at the supply. In stark contrast if you doubled the resources, the population would just simply grow to meet the supply. Either direction would just be a very temporary solution, since the population would always meet the curve that is dependent on supply present.
@@ambrosianapier7545 If you really want to take this seriously then you're doomed from the start. The idea that true interstellar civilizations would ever run out of resources is laughable. Our own galaxy, which is nowhere near the largest is so impossibly huge, you would be able to power your whole civilization for millions of years off of only just the planets in your nearest vicinity, barely a hundred light years.
Humanity itself, with its own huge issues with resource management could easily support many more people than we have now with access to just our own solar system.
Marvel's portrayal of alien civilizations is also just smooth-brained. Apparently, all civilizations in the entire galaxy run on capitalism and variations of a barter system.
Capitalism for a civilization like that doesn't make sense because the whole reason that capitalism ever happened was because there wasn't enough resources to allocate to everyone so we thought up a value system so every person could "equally" gain access to said resources by exchanging something of equal value(money, in the case of our modern society).
The only way Marvel's universe would be even remotely passable as likely is if their universe's resources were many, many times less than that of our own.
Otherwise, even the most backwater of interstellar civilizations could comfortably support a population many times that of which apparently killed Thanos's planet. The idea of Titan's collapse due to insufficient resources is in itself stupid. With proper managment (the kind which I acknowledge is impossible in a capitalistic society) of resources, a single planet would never run out of them.
So yeah, you really can't treat Marvel seriously because it doesn't make any fucking sense.
I thought Madara's plan was dumb because "I'm going to prevent war by starting a war and getting alot of people killed."
9:00 The demons monolog in castlevania is one of my personal favorite monologs.
Nasu dude this video really makes you ask, “who exactly is the bad guy” in a movie or show . Great content and very thought provoking 👏🏼
Hi Nasu, I really love your breakdown of villians. Really interesting how you totally obliterrated the bad character motives of so many franchises and characters. I always think am I being too sceptical, or are these villians just plain bad. Please keep up the brutal honesty, I need to see the "story telling world" in more light and stop blaming my self. Cheers!
Agreed, I think most times is that villains and bad characters tend to have a strong start for motive, then they start to fall off when their plan leads up to only one image. By that I mean they have a single imagination of the future they want, but do not make compromises in much to any way of life for the future. Also that they tend to have a lack for foresight with the way their actions will directly affect others aside from themselves. If any foresight then it drives straight into the deep-end to improve life by destroying others.
Talking about villains with the madvillain himself blessing our ears 🙏
A better alternative for Thanos' plan, I think, is to wish for all current resources to renew at the same speed they are removed: for example, if you chop down a tree, a new one inmediately grows back up. That way, the balance is never broken- the one thing he wished more than anything.
But then what about space as a resource? If resources were endless then population would skyrocket and there would be physically no room for everyone
@@JetPatrick no problem with space, unlimited resources and unlimited space
@@JetPatrick space is already practically infinite, and expanding at an exponential rate
Dont think about it.
DONT THINK ABOUT IT GODDAMN IT.
We are not overpopulated, we never were, we are actually experiencing population collapse right now, mcu thanos was just retarded, that’s all
17:31 “we don’t give a damn about that”😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bro this video is amazing your writing and delivery is so top tier. Great job
Thanks!
I love that you used freedom and security. Literally gave me goosebumps
19:36 those of you who seen the edited version of that know...
19:22 Arthur is a fucking menace. Respect.
Maruki was such a good villain. He’s for sure my favorite “villain” out of all the persona games.
I see Pain as a ninja Harry S. Truman, he doesn't want to nuke the world, he wants everyone to know that he can nuke the world and he will do it if any war is declared. It would work, it would be a world ruled by fear, but not different that the Cold War
This one is basic, but you should've included Handsome Jack. He's one of the most perfect examples of this. Dude was a straight up villain and menace, but his reasoning for doing everything he did makes a lot of sense.
Handsome Jack really is one of the best villains
Yup if his plan somehow worked, we wont see the rise of COV
"Surviving the worst genocide in history"
Unit 731: *LAUGHS IN WAR CRIMES*
Nasu this video is amazing. Your understanding and take on these characters and their philosophies is very deeply thought and all sides considered. I feel like these kinds of videos maybe gave you some fuel to reflect and understand these ideas deeply and really consider and understand where u.. urself lie and what u believe in. I think ppl truly love animes or shows like these because it allows them to see perspectives and emotions. And judge for themself, what is right and wrong. These kinds of shows, present a character and how they do bad things or evil things, at a glance. And then shows the motivation or pain it took the character to do the things they felt they had to do. Introspection on these philosophies have always been the most exciting and teaching moments in life. You dont know life, until you know pain and loss. Hating to sound like “pain” himself. But all these characters have this same philosophy and experience. They go through trauma and pain and in the end… only wants to rid themself and everyone else of it. I think these ppl.. had every potential to be heroes and amazing ppl. But lost their way. These characters are representations of the true martyrs in life. Ppl that have gone through things yet never receiving the acknowledgement or understanding of their pain. This leads to resentment, fear, hate, anger. Feeling of abandonment by ppl u cared for and loved. And yet thru it all.. most of these characters were committing all of these “villain” acts.. out of love, passion, or simply wanting a better life with no pain, loss, anguish. For everyone. What a rant. All this to say… good video Nasu. Really makes an impact. If not for everyone, atleast it made an impact on me.
7:09 no he gave them a warning they didn’t believe him
He gave them a YEAR to get right with him. I would've given them 24 hours...
"the greatest villains in fiction are those with believable motivations" is just untrue.
It can be a benefit, but you can not sit there and tell me Sauron wasn't a good villain. He is the epitome of evil for evils sake, yet he is one of the greatest villains of all time.
I love villains with good motives, but it's just not as simple as all villains with clear understandable motivations being better than all villains with bad/no clear motivations
Fr man not every villain needs to be a sympathetic villain some people are just simply bad and that doesn’t make the character bad at all
"Most compelling" would be a better term. I agree that not all villains need to be sympathetic to be good, I mean Frieza is an unapologeticlly racist mass-murderer with a sense of morality about as strong as Goku's IQ and I love that bastard, but I also agree with Nasu that villains with understandable motivations particularly stick out.
Honestly, what iritates me most is when people claim that sympathetic villains are the *only* good villains, as if a story needs to have a Naruto-style antagonist to even matter. Sometimes I want my villain to have good motivations muddied by his past and sometimes I just want an evil mf who'd kick a baby cause it looked at him wrong.
same with Joker escpeacially from Dark Knight
Frieza
Johan Liebert
Palpatine
Ramsay Bolton
Doflamingo
Aizen
Griffith
Sauron
DIO
Joker
Shogo Makishima
Are few of many examples who are pure evil but also some of the great villains in fiction
@@sarveshnathan7559 Not sure I'd put Ramsay as one of the greatest villains in fiction, though he was a good one, but yeah, I agree.
Insane, the amount of references in the video made it really entertaining as well as the inclusion of Gurren lagann's brain dead cast, I love them regardless.
Speaking of villains, Vergil from DMC5 might also be one of the best villains because he is so damn cool, Not sure if he really is the villain though.
Severely underrated channel, Subbed.
I’d say Vergil is more of a Neutral Evil kind of villain.
One of my favorite villains is Gul Dukat from Star Trek's Deep Space Nine played brilliantly by Marc Alaimo. In the TV series, Gul Dukat sees himself as the hero, not the villain. He believes that he's a pragmatist, not a woolly headed dreamer, or impractical idealist. He constantly sees himself as the only one with "the stomach to do what needs to be done". He's a brutal and utterly ruthless character willing to do pretty much anything at all to attain his goals "for the greater good". What's terrifying about the character is that it's always clear that if he thinks murdering you and thousands of others will help him achieve his "greater good" there is simply no way you're going to be able to reason with him in an attempt to stop him. When his beloved daughter is killed "for the greater good" as precieved by one of his most trusted lieutenants, he literally looses his mind and goes insane. He retreats into a fantasy where his daughter is still alive. Sisko, the main protagonist is forced to abandon Deep Space Nine when it's attacked by Dukat, Sisko leaves a baseball hit by Willy Mays behind to let Dukat know that Sisko intends to return to retake the space station. And after years of war when Sisko does return, Dukat is waiting for him. He's a shattered man. And when Sisko finds him insanely muttering to his dead daughter as if she were still alive it's heart rending. Despite all the evil things Dukat has done the scene, instead of being triumphant, leaves you pitying Dukat regardless of how much he may have earned his fate. ruclips.net/video/iufTXokKnvE/видео.html
Dukat is by far the greatest Star Trek Villain ever.
Motivations for being Evil:
Death Vader: The Woman I love more than anything was stolen from me by the Jedi
Lex Luthor: A superhero having that much power is dangerous and needs to be eliminated
Thanos: The universe is fundamentally flawed and requires correction
Perfect Cell: lol idk
If Frieza's cells were left out, Cell would have probably been less evil.
The realest villain got his song playing in the background. Rest In Power DOOM 💜
A small counter point: Pure-evil villains can be really good yet. For example, if you are DMing and your players just want to have fun defeating some bad-bitches, a comically evil villain is perfect for that. Or the Tyranids in Warhammer 40K, there is nobargain with them, there is no truce, they want to devour everything in their path. True, they are not saddistic or classicly evil, but they act like a force of nature evil. What I wanna keep in mind is that forcing complex villains may not always be the best idea, I absolutely agree that Thanos was agreat villain, cuz he had a motivation, he had a logic behind his act (wrong logic, but logic XD)
Sundowner from MGRR
Agreed. I think his thinking is too rigid.
Frieza, Ganondorf, Sephiroth, Kefka, The Joker, Cell, Green Goblin and many others are examples of pure evil villains that are better than a lot of "b-but society Mr. Hero" villains
@@renren47618 Palpatine
Some people just wanna watch the world burn
I feel like every Stone had a part to play in Thanos' Snap. I think he used the Time Stone to half the population at repeating intervals for the rest of Time.
Think of the baby inside of the mother… if the mother was the one dusted
That would make sense, not everyone turned to dust at the same time, for some it took longer (like Spider Man) for others it was quick.
Tbh, that's worse, because his original plan only made things worse anyway.
@@rodieinpamant Peter Parker sensed himself being erased because of his spidey senses. Not due to timing
I hate it when people say "thanos was right" like dawg, imagine there was an irl saint that always helped others and never commited sin, then there was the definition of the devil who will kill or cause suffering for his benefit
then the saint dies because some edgy kids think people deserve to die because of the bad apples
also, why stop at double the resources? the infinity stone can do anything, just give everyone the ability to summon anything useful (buildings/land, food, water etc.)
Gus isn't even really a villain, more of an antagonist. Walt goes on to just take over his business and do worse things
He killed people, tortured people, killed kids, threatened to kill little infant, sold poison but he's not a villain?
I love that you call out how stupid thanos plan was. Every time I hear someone say “thanos was right” I die a little inside, of cringe.
FACTS
Lmao thanos’ plan was so dumb that Marvel studio had to make it make sense 😂
Cringe
In theory if he would have doubled the resources wouldn’t it be a good assumption that the population would double as well making the resource doubling moot
His idea is understandable. I get where his coming from might even agree. But his plan was dumb as shit
11:01 couldn’t agree more 😅
Morale of the story, relatable villians are ones that have their valid reason to do what they do but in a more lazy way to the solution without trying to seek better way that doesn't harm others.
Wait thats what most human do!
Maruki is one those villains that i 100% agree with his vision...every person is different and so is their suffering, not all of them have strong heart like the protagonist or else we didn't have any crime in this world...if Maruki can give that world, i would gladly live in it. So what if it an easy way? Is it so wrong you want an easy life? If you want to achieve greatness so badly then do it on your own, don't drag me with you. I have my dream but i didn't have any means to achieve it, so i wholeheartedly agree with Maruki philosophy.... I know it sounds like a whining but like i said..is there's any wrong for that?
"I know it sounds like a whining but like i said..is there's any wrong for that?"
yes
@@ratedr7845 take it how you will, my point is if there's someone willingly giving me the opportunity to live in a perfect world specifically for you no string attached, I'd live in it
The only downside of Maruki's world is that he could become the next Yadabaoth at any moment
Other than that, he basically created an ideal reality where there is no problems anymore and everyone is perfect, i don't think that this is bad as the game tries to imply, and It follows similiar reasons why i'm a law supporter in Smt
@@GamerConnoisseurRei good thing it's not the case then
@@renren47618 Maruki wouldn't become Yaldabaoth because the latter is an inherently evil and artificial construct from outside humanity's sphere. Maruki was a compassionate human who lived the human experience and had people to genuinely care for. The demiurge was an egomaniac big baby that thought itself the true god and created humanity because Sophia abandoned it outside Pleroma. Basically, a genuine human being that's not a god could feasibly create an ideal world as, of course, that being walks along humanity and doesnt desire to dominate it just because.
Alright, that knitter clip was top tier humor! Definitely one of the last things i expected in this video. But truthfully, I would’ve loved to see Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda included. In the grand scheme of things, all he wanted was to be acknowledged for the hard work he’s put forth to the destiny he was promised, but never given. He’s a really good antagonist and rewatching the movie as an adult has taught me a lot.
Oogway is the real villain tbh
@@NasuPrime That's facts 😤
Bro was literally fucking evil though oogway knew so he didn't choose him. And he laid waste to the valley immediately afterwards proving his point. TF r u guys on man. It's easy to seem like you know things other people don't when you disregard common sense and common knowledge.
Tai Lung literally threw a tantrum and sieged the land when he was told he wasn't fit to be the Dragon Warrior, immediately proving them right. Sure, he might have been told it was his destiny and he made it his life goal, but still, dragon warrior is still only a title. He still had the skills to be a legendary warrior, protector of the people, but he threw it all away.
@@M4x_P0w3rthere is room to debate that it was shifus doing that resulted in this. We see in the early parts of the first movie how condescending shifu is towards po. Hes certainly not the most compassionate person. And he most likely raised tai lung to be the same. Sometimes its more about your environment
you took me out at 14:40 😂😂😂
Some of the worst most evil sick psychopath villains are basically already here but no powers
I think you'd like the villain "Nox" from the French cartoon Wakfu. He's easily one of the best villains on cartoons.
17:51 bro did you not even listen when they said “ Row! Row! Fight tha Powah!”
Yeah I got that, i'll keep it in mind.
Still they should've learned way ealier before it was too late, "Row Row, Control the Power"
As theres only so much a person can handle, espically when the entire univerese is at stake at their incomeptence.