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Humanity would do the same to robots. If mankind had to hibernate in ice to save Earth while the robots around us gained sentience and formed their own civilizations, humanity would try to reclaim control over their property and ensure Earth belonged to mankind once more. From Ultima's god race's point of view, it is humane. Clive called Ultima a coward. However, Ultima told Clive he is wrong because Ultima wanted to save his race and they were forced to hibernate. As Ultima and his kind hibernated, humanity chose to become sinful and greedy by wielding magic and harvesting the mothercrystals to amplify their powers.
The humans are the creation of these gods. All the gods except Ultima give up their physical bodies and become crystals that suck up the planet energy to become ether/magic for the humans to harness and use so that the humans can evolve and borne a vassal strong enough to absorb all their energies to let Ultima to use that human as a vessel to cast a world creation spell. While all these are taking time to proceed Ultima just hibernate as do his other kins in consciousness form. With each mother crystal destroy the magic go to the human and the consciousness go to Ultima. They are all one in the same the whole time. Both humanity and god could have live and work together if it's not for the existence of the blight. Ultima can't shake off blight without sacrificing humanity and living in coexistence with humanity mean the blight will take them away in time to come. Ultima don't need to cast a world creating spell by waiting for a mytho to absorb all his race energy to do so. He and humanity just need to stop using magic that's all.
@@slimpyslimpy people simply don't get that as an all powerful being who can control and destroy, human morality does not apply to him, had a friend ask me if God is almighty then why doesn't he fix the world and make us better people?, My response was that he doesn't owe you anything as god if he want to kill you and your family and resurrect you the tells you to worship him he has that right to do so. But anyways that's my take, in real life god is good just not all the time cause we have free will and if he helped everyone everywhere we wouldn't be free to make mistakes or made good choices.
Quick update: Blight was a side effect of using to much magic which was killing the land 2. When Clive destroyed all magic he destroyed the blight which is what the elder gods couldn’t do because they didn’t want to ever give up their magic power.
I kinda figured that was the case, something as powerfull as magic must have a cost, also the fact that it not only chased Ultima's people, but the humans that uses magic as well was an obvious red flag
Someone who understood , so strange this RUclipsr didnt understand that when he seems so informed about it. The Blight was just a side effect for using magic too much and it gets erradicated for good when Clive destroys all magic.
This is it. Using magic consumes aether. Aether is the source of life. When magic is over used, and the aether supply runs out, life cannot be sustained. The Blight didn’t “chase” Ultima’s race, it’s simply a consequence of heavily using magic. When the final Mothercrystal is destroyed and magic is removed from Valisthea, the blight stops. But people will have to figure out how to light fires, fill wells, dry their clothes etc on their own.
Exactly this, control of aether creates magic, but it does so by using the nature life, in doing is is stripping life from the natural world, as Cid told us. It's a parallel with renewable vs non renewable energy.
I personally think the Blight was either stopped or eliminated after Clive banished magic from the world, we see in the post credits scene that life goes on a long time after Clive and that his story is considered a fairy tale which at least means that hundreds of years at least have passed and had the blight remained it would have devoured the world by then
@@slimpyslimpy I think that Ultima was so set in his ways and so arrogant that he still thinks less of humans even in his dying breath, probably just didn't think that Clive would actually use all of his power (at a great cost to himself) to do what he did.
i think you are right..i like what you are saying...blight comes from magic...clive absorbs all eikons..destroys himself and with that magic...so blight must have ended
@@slimpyslimpy He is referring to that Ultima is immortal, mankind is not and will die eventually. Also he might refer to Clive not stopping magick use and taking his power for himself. Therefor the blight will continue to spread. Beacuse Ultima never knew what Clive wanted. At the very end Ultima still did not understand Clive or mankind's will to survive.
Pretty sure Ultima was always "awake", not awakened when Clive destroyed the first Mothercrystal. He was influencing Clive into becoming a vessel since his early years and tried to break his will in process by manipulating the events around him, so by the time he gathers enough power he would not have his own will and would become Ultima's puppet, like Barnabas. You can see Ultima's silhouette right before Clive transforms into Ifrit, which forces him to kill Phoenix to get his full power, although Clive already had a part of it as a blessing from Joshua. Ultima and Mythos are essentially twins from what I understood and can handle the same amount of magic power. They both have Ifrit's appearance with Phoenix wings in their prime/risen form, they both can use other Eikon's abilities, so I would assume that all what Ultima needed was an Ifrit dominant and Clive was probably the first one to exist, because, as we know, there's always been a Phoenix in Clive's family tree. The reason why he needed a vessel was because Ultima didn't want to die during "Rebirth" and his body was probably weak after the initial contact with Blight back on his planet. Knowing this, Ultima started cooking Clive since he was born, or from the exact moment he called for Ifrit's power out of desperation to save Joshua. But instead the events Clive has been through just strengthen his will so he could overcome Ultima in the end
The Blight was caused by Magic. In the end when Clive destroys the source of Magic. The land was no longer being drained. Hence The Blight stopped, and the land began to recover as the Aether that was drawn into by Ultima was released.
Ultima reminds me of Bhunivelze from Ligtning Returns FFXIII. Both were gods, both were most strongest. Both wanted to create new worlds. They never cared about peoples. Both were destroyed by their creation. And so many other similarities.
@@slimpyslimpy He want to recreate world when he is the God, Lightning will be Goddess of Death like Etro and on the new world it would be humans without every emotion like god´s puppets.
Bhunivelze & Bahamut from XV, too, are very alike. The blight is also a lot like Chaos & the Starscourge in those games. The Akashic are like Ceith from 13 as well.
One thing I liked the about FF13 trilogy, the the main characters as well as killing god also moved to his 'new world' and took it for themselves. In a lot of FF games the protagonists always tend to stop the creation of or destroy the gods 'new world' to fight for their own so it was a nice twist to the classic trope for me.
A little tidbit here, I don't believe that Clive and Cid released ultima at drakes head. They released one of the beings. But I guess they were released way sooner. First Clive awakens ifrit by seeing something, and a voice, that was última, also Barnabas was already a puppet, and there's the strange dissapearance of leviathan and the dimming of the drake's eye. I believe this event led to últimas awakening, that lead to the rest of the story. Also Cid abandoned Barnabas for a reason and he already kinda knew about ultima
Yeah there are multiple ultimas. In the active time lord after u beat ultima, it states that all of those beings share his consciousness. So when Joshua and Clive confront ultima at the end of the game, it’s why there is one that is talking to them and why the one in Joshua chest is still there
Slight Correction, Ultima was awake for a lot longer than the destruction of Drake’s head. The Hooded Man Clive sees during the Night of Fire at Phoenix Gate was in fact Ultima. As was the Hooded Man seen prior to the fight against Fully Primed Garuda, admits the crowd of people at Drakes Breath before Liquid Flame appeared, and was the figured who lured Clive and Jill into the ruins under Phoenix Gate.
It’s a great twist because I’m assuming most players, like me, thought it may have been Joshua since it was revealed that he too was a hooded man (maybe not for phoenix gate in the flash back). Like I originally thought that Joshua led Clive and Jill to the underground for Clive to accept the truth and fully embrace ifrit, only for it to be a part of ultimas plan
Beyond impressed with this game and particularly the voice acting. When the VA for Ultima spoke, it makes you just wanna punch him, but that’s how you know they did a really good job.
The blight is gone, undone by Clive which was produced by magic. Clive had to sacrifice himself due to the amount of magic used. In fact, any person who uses magic will get cursed. The only exceptions are Eikons. However only to the extent if they don't overdo it. Unlike the branded who will turn to stone sooner or later if they use it too much and are less resilient. It wasn't overnight, but you can see that Joshua wrote a book named "Final Fantasy" and that this is in the far future, where magic doesn't exist anymore. So to those people, those that are truly blessed, those who Cid, Clive, and everyone else fought for, never actually knew this was a real story, just a mere fantasy book.
The greatest irony of Ultima's plan is that for all his talk of Clive being the perfect vessel for him to take over, Clive's body can't handle the overwhelming power of Ultima and all the Eikons combined
Well at the end before u fight his final form, he says “time to empty the vessel” so I’m assuming that Clive was a vessel to carry all of the eikons powers and deliver it to ultima, not for ultima to actually use Clive as a host for himself
@@Urlastnerve still very similar. It s an obvious reference, like the Ultima form with the black Wing (Sephiroth). The sequence of Ultima explaining in the multidimensional Rift , is exactly the same as Garland with Zidane in the Pandemonium. The goal of the Jenome people is the same as the Ultimas.
Its incredible how what this story is trying to state could theoretically be what this world might or is passing from to an extent - we choose technology and destroyed nature for it and more we move ahead the more we turn technological and apart ourself from nature. Maybe its gods plan? maybe its a game - all I will say this game is truly a masterpiece - if this was made in a co-op (dungeon event or boss hunts)/mmorpg it would been the game of the semi-decade not of the year.
0:23 Honestly I don’t think Ultima is a race like I think when he created humanity he probably felt deep regret that they weren’t following his instructions down to the letter so he probably clone himself multiple times and called it a race and that’s probably what a lot of his clones probably believed but also halfway didn’t believe as a collective consciousness knowing that they are one technically but they’re not one as so-called individuals who all think alike with the same and act the same I think the ultimate race was just created out of some sort of cope that he couldn’t rule over humanity so the best person to rule over is himself when you think about it it makes him even more pathetic as a God
So was Ultima the only survivor of his race? Or did their race only ever consist of a hive mind of identical Ultimas? or are there more of their people hibernating still waiting for raise to be cast? Also on the big origin disc underneath the Crystalline dominion it looks like I can make out structures and buildings, was it also their city as well as a machine? I would love to see a DLC covering the fall of Dzemekys and Ultimas initial awakening too, maybe even the loss of leviathan.
I wonder if the engineers from Prometheus were used as inspiration for design and background story for Ultima? Because, not only does Ultima look very similar to the engineer’s in appearance, he seeded life on the planet as well?🤔
actually the blight more or less ended as humans basically lost the ability of magic and only see it as something from fairy tales as seen in the post credits
I would love if they would tie this in with Stranger of Paradise. My headcanon: Ultima being one of the countless Astos clones (Ultima Weapons) who were sent to the multitude of other dimensions as observers. After Garland pretty much destroyed the Lufenians and Lufenia, the various Ultima Weapons in other dimensions no longer got any orders from their Lufenian masters (as most if not all of them are dead.) "The blight" is pretty much the same as the darkness that is borne from the emotions and thoughts of humanity from within the crystals.
I don't remember but does the game explain what are the Dominants and the Eikons? Are they an embodiment of element from each Ultima in each mothercrystal? If so then why is there only 5 crystals now but 7 dominants? etc2
there supossed to be 7 crystals, the 2 lost crystals are dzemekyz crystal that now became crater with many waterfalls and crystal in northern teritories, actually you can see the northern lost crystals from royal meadows
I think that the Eikon's are the original forms of the survivors of Ultima's race. Their Will and Consiousness were separated, the consciousness (sense of self) became the Mother Crystal's, and their Wills (drive to survive) became the Eikons.
Wait, I’m confused. Is Valisthea like Earth or a continent? Were Ultima’s race came from a different galaxy or something? Or were they the original inhabitants of the planet? Did they also create those ancient ruins and that ruined airship? I feel like the game could’ve expanded the story, like a little flashback scenes on their race. Kinda like how Assassins Creed did it, or Superman’s Man of Steel movie.
Yeah it’s kinda weird how ultima kept referring to his old world as “land”, so I take it he’s from another planet entirely, but the blight travel between literal planets seems far fetched and doesn’t make too much sense, but neither does ultima just coming from another continent
I think it’s implied that Ultima and his Kin came from another planet. The blight following them is a consequence of them using magic, but they are too righteous to stop using magic so they devised a plan
@@alejandromomota6934Valisthea became blighted because of the mothercrystals sucking up aether for Ultimas spell. Humans learning to use magic didn't help either.
@@alejandromomota6934 He was speaking figuratively when saying the blight followed him, not in a literal sense, it didn't travel between planets. He brought magic to a new world, and thus the Blight started spreading same as it did in Ultima's home.
So what is Ifrit, the second eikon of fire and why is everyone surprised by it? is it because for some reason the ifrit/ phoenix hybrid was cut into two, but only the mythos would harbor the ifrit throughout time?
I guess ifrit represents the flames of destruction the same way phoenix is the flame of rebirth. In a way a primordial power in fire separated by their intent. Eikons seem to generate from primordial aether, aether belonging to origin or creation of things, I believe they are beings of aether fully concentrate, since aether is nature energy, eikons is nature's primordial or highly concentrated energy like fire, lightning, ice, light, darkness, earth, cold....
"Ifrit" is actually Ultima, and only had fire powers because of Clyde's personal connection to Phoenix. You fight a more complete version during the final fight inside Clyde's mind. People were surprised because it was a "brand new" Eikon that was never seen before.
@@PauloSousa86 Odin explains it, the dominants and their Eikons are meant to feed the Mythos to see if the vessel explodes and ensure they are capable of casting Primogenesis.
Hello. My comment was deleted by yuutve. I believe IGNorance stole your explanation when they made a video, 3 days after this one. It is literally word by word the same thing you said in this video.
The gods sacrifice their physical form to escape and travel to valishtea, some of them put their essence to create the crystals. But not all of them, the disincarnation was their only solution to avoid the blight and flee. And for that they need the vessel, not only for cast the spell to create that new world but in order to incarnate again.
Honestly with how essential eikons and dominants are to the game, we didn't get much from them in terms of lore and characterizations. Unless I'm missing something, all we're really told is they serve Ultima. But why do they need dominants? How are people chosen? How do they interact with their dominants or to each other. Other than giving their powers to Mythos, how were they serving Ultima? There's not much story to Eikons apart from being massive weapons and Clive taking their powers.
Ultima seemed to imply that the Dominants are lineages (almost exclusively royal) that were originally meant to provide 'tests' for anyone with the potential to be the Mythos. A false Mythos would fail at besting the Dominants and die. In a way, it seems like they're kind of meant to attune and unlock elemental affinity within Mythos in preparation for the moment when Ultima overtakes the vessel so that he doesn't suffer from inequities in magical attunement and can cast Primogenesis without dying to its extreme cost. Of course, at the end, Clive realizes that his body still would have failed and Ultima would have died casting it anyway, which is ironic.
Why do they need a vessel strong enough to wield it when Ultimate and all his clones or duplicates are one and the same and is a god with his own vessel if you can create humanity you can create a new world without a humans help.
Here is a quote which, I feel, perfectly describes Ultima: _The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully._ *- Richard Dawkins*
@@slimpyslimpy Jenova looks a bit like Ultima in her humanoid form .. then jenova also infiltrates the ancients in the exact same way sends them into madness a bit like the dominants in this game either its just an easter egg or its done on purpose
If humanity was in Ultima's situation, humanity would do the same to robots or another intelligent species we create. If mankind had to hibernate in ice to save Earth while the robots around us gained sentience and formed their own civilizations, humanity would try to reclaim control over their property and ensure Earth belonged to mankind once more. From Ultima's god race's point of view, it is humane. Clive called Ultima a coward. However, Ultima told Clive he was wrong because Ultima wanted to save his race and they were forced to hibernate. As Ultima and his kind hibernated, humanity became sinful and greedy by wielding magic and harvesting the mothercrystals to amplify their powers. I am confused with the ending because Ultima told Clive and Joshua that humanity was only created to create a Mythos. Then Clive just did a whole humanity "will to survive" speech in the final battle showing Clive did not pay attention to Ultima's revelation. Honestly, the story following the five-year time skip was bad in my opinion. THIS IS HOW I WOULD'VE WROTE THE FFXVI STORY (Remove the Iron Kingdom as a Faction. They were completely meaningless in the story of FFXVI): Anabelle Rosfield (Real Name: Lucifer) turns out to be a fallen Eikon from Heaven. Her goal was to use the mothercrystals (which gave humanity magic) to drain Valisthea's life force so she can conjure magic powerful enough to return home to Heaven. In the past, Lucifer and her fellow Eikons rebelled against Eikonkind and were banished to Valisthea where she created humanity and helped bring the rise of non-magical technological innovations. However, she was not satisfied with the wealth and power she attained and became bitter with a longing to be forgiven and return home. The situation was made worse when her fellow Eikon brothers and sisters were killed by rebellious, sinful, and greedy humans who were powerful bearers of magic. and were reincarnated again and again as Dominants. Bearers were once conquerors until the Fallen defeated them and turned them into indentured servants. Over time, Lucifer hates humanity because they reflect the once rebellious goddess she was before she was banished from her home. When the Fallen, in their sky cities, became tyrannical rulers, Lucifer destroyed them because their actions to become gods reflected her own past sin against Heaven. Following the Fallen's fall, Lucifer made an oath to do anything to return home and repent for her past sins. All she desires is to return home. Thus, she labored and manipulated humanity's history to ensure the Empire of Sanbreque conquer all of Valisthea and ensure that her work with the mothercrystals remain undisturbed. However, the Duchy of Rosaria and its Phoenix Eikon was a threat and Lucifer worked to have the Empire conquer Rosaria. To do this, Lucifer possessed "Anabelle Lesage", daughter of Emperor Sylvestre Lesage and older sister to Dion Lesage, married to Elwin Rosfield, and became the Duchess of Rosaria for many years hoping to take the Phoenix as a royal, loyal servant for the Empire. However, Lucifer's plans to retrieve Phoenix failed because of Ifrit, once a human turned Eikon due to his loyalty to Lucifer and her Eikon family and wasn't reincarnated until Clive appears. Nevertheless, Rosaria became part of the Empire. No one knows Lucifer's deception until King Barnabas of Waloed knew years before the tragic events of Phoenix Gate. Barnabas descended from a surviving Fallen Royal family branch that desired revenge against Lucifer. After taking over the Kingdom of Waloed as its king, Barnabas starts a crusade to end Lucifer and her plans by working to destroy the mothercrystals. Barnabas enlisted the aid of Cid and Cid's protege, Benedikta. Leviathan's Dominant also joined as Waloed's navy commander. Despite Barnabas' noble work, Cid saw that Barnabas wanted to restore the Fallen to glory. Even if magic is gone following the destruction of the Mothercrystals, Barnabas can utilize the Fallen's technology to technologically conquer mankind and bring a dark reign. For this reason, Cid defected and created his Bearer faction where he desired mankind's peace and freedom. Benedikta did not join her mentor due to her love for her king and loyalty to his ideals. As Waloed's spymaster, she secretly recruited Hugo Kupka (Titan) who grew tired of his wealthy life and wanted to bring change to the world. However, Benedikta later redeems herself with Cid's help. Following the tragic events of Phoenix Gate, Clive became a marked bearer while Jill forcibly served as the Empire's Dominant when Shiva awoke in her. Shiva was sent to engage the Empire's enemies, the Dhalmekian Republic. Despite his status, Clive served under Dion Lesage who he secretly befriended. Dion is revealed to be a secret ally of Cid and planned with Clive to help him and Jill escape to Cid following Shiva's fight with Titan in Storm. Sometime later, Cid relays to Clive and Jill what he learned as former Lord Commander of Waloed's armies: Lucifer and King Barnabas' schemes. The plan was to destroy the mothercrystals one by one and to destroy Lucifer and King Barnabas. The War of the Eikons followed with King Barnabas' defeat at a hidden Fallen sky city, the mothercrystals destroyed, and Lucifer's death. Lucifer became blinded in the final battle and the battle made her act strange as she tells Clive that she wants to go home and how she misses her Eikon brethren in Heaven and regrets rebelling against them for prideful and selfish reasons. Following the fall of magic and Valisthea's nations, Clive helps humanity rebuild alongside his surviving friends and allies.
@@slimpyslimpy Ultima told Clive of his intentions and why he made humanity and Clive made a speech about Ultima not caring about humanity. What? Ultima told Clive that he and his kind only made humanity create a Mythos. What the heck? Also, Anabelle being a Lucifer-Figure main antagonist who desires to return to Heaven to repent, Barnabas (Odin) scheming to restore the Fallen's glory, and Dion-Cid Alliance to overthrow the former two is a much more Game of Thrones story than what we got. The story I wrote has more conspiracy and manipulation than the whole messy Ultima story. The character bios in the FFXVI website had so much promise with the characters manipulating events to get what they want only to have Hugo Kupka (Titan) be a Garuda simp, Benedikta a whiner who could've joined her mentor Cid, Barnabas a God simp, Joshua who is alive ruins the pain Clive felt in the beginning, Cid dying too early, Dion was fine, Jill was fine, and Clive was fine but he could have at least paid attention to Ultima's words than making things up. Plus, the last sin was not having a sea and ship battle boss fight with Leviathan. In my opinion, the 10-year-old Joshua should've remained dead and returned as a Phoenix ghost to guide Clive similar to how Obi-Wan (Force Ghost) helped Luke Skywalker but not always. Overall, all the characters should've been great schemers who fight for good and bad motives. In addition, the Iron Kingdom was totally unnecessary to add and its role could've been used by the Empire of Sanbreque. The game's overwhelming and confusing story is ignored by the great combat systems and Eikon boss fights. No wonder why they heavily advertised the gameplay, not the story. Since it is a game, I will let this slide. Games are meant to be exciting compared to just another way to give visual stories like movies and tv shows.
My Man that Rewrite of the Game should be the premise also it would explain why Annabella was such a bitch two her two sons and making her the main villain would have given creed to Final Fantasy Pheasant theory on mothers being overbearing and protective to the point of causing the creations/children to be sick also imagine Clive Teaming up with the rebelling Eikons against Lucifer(Ultima Standin) and Barnabas/Odin it be amazing Kudos on this Comment Brother
Basically FFXVI ripped off Hitchhickers Guide to the Galaxy. Where mice created humanity to answer the ultimate question. But when the answer was finally found, the Earth was destroyed to make way for an intergalactic highway. 🤣
since 16 still ties to the world of 14, if you ever play the 14 you will know there is a 3rd world that is doomed to be rejoined with the source, this hint is from the shadowbringer song. threescore wasted = 3 worlds that is on the brink of destruction, the first, the thirteen, and the 3rd one is unknown. it is possible the 16 world is the 3rd world with the blight that slowly destroys the world, this is in line with what happened to the first which is the world consumes by too much light and it is on the brink of destruction and almost met the requirement to be rejoined. when clive decided to erase the magic of the world, he destroy the blight too and thus making the rejoining impossible, this is similar to the oracle of light of the First who stopped the flood of light, and the Warrior of Darkness who slay the light-wardens to stop the spreading of the light and bring back the darkness, although he world of the first is already destroyed it has not met the requirement to be rejoined and the life goes on the area which the darkness has returned
In my opinion when you're a god as long as you take care of your creations, you have the right to destroy them(they're yours) but when you let them do their own thing and abandon them you basically let go of the responsibility and whatever happens next is your fault and you have no right to say you own them. originally as long as you care they're yours and follow what you designed for them but after abandoning them they become something else.
No, you don't have the right to kill sapient beings, even as a god. The entire story is trying to hammer it into your head that Ultima views humans exactly as most people view Bearers. Ultima has the right to kill humanity, only if you are also willing to concede that a master should have the unimpeachable right to kill his slave. And the story of the game flat out says a resounding: "No."
The story about Ultima is the worst part of this game imo. I thought it was so bad that I lost the motivation to play NG+. I think the story of the first 80% was some of the best I've ever experienced though. A shame how it turned out in the end.
Just makes me more mad at ff15 for not finishing the DLC because Dawn of the future was gonna have Noctis and everyone including Ardyn fight the gods instead
Spoiler Alert** Thought after the credits it shows the blight being gone. Clive fixed all that in its final crystal and used Ultima's power to restore everything before destroying the floating isle and being washed ashore to the beach and petrifying? some people claim it was only his hand, Think those people need to watch the video, his face was turning over as well on the edges of his forehead and neck.
Bro Ultima doesn't care. His goal is harvesting the world's energy (Aether). He created mother crystals to use them as drills to extract the energy and created humans to protect them. The Blight is a part of the world that is dying from being siphoned, and some humans have learned to channel Aether through crystals. The only thing that makes Clive special is his ability to absorb a large amount of Aether, which other Dominants can't. As you know, if you overuse Aether, you will turn to dust, which is why Ultima wants Clive's body. Ultima was awakened because they destroyed the mother crystal, and he never meant for Clive to actually destroy them all; he just wanted to brainwash him. But every time a mother crystal gets destroyed, Ultima regains his power. His ultimate goal is to turn everyone into zombies and resume his activities. However, in order to do that, he needs a vessel that can contain a large amount of Aether to cast a spell. The plot resembles the concept of "Global Warming," with Aether representing fossil fuel, humans and Ultima representing people and companies that consume fossil fuel, and the Blight representing climate change.
I still think we don't have the full picture.... To me it feels like he was just telling us the side of the story he wanted us to know. I had a feeling he was gonna end up being someone that betrayed he's race in order to survive
Never like FF story where you go kill god. It lame and isn't that good. Lightning returns did that, and the ending always isn't that satisfying. Now they back again. Smh.
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Humanity would do the same to robots. If mankind had to hibernate in ice to save Earth while the robots around us gained sentience and formed their own civilizations, humanity would try to reclaim control over their property and ensure Earth belonged to mankind once more. From Ultima's god race's point of view, it is humane. Clive called Ultima a coward. However, Ultima told Clive he is wrong because Ultima wanted to save his race and they were forced to hibernate. As Ultima and his kind hibernated, humanity chose to become sinful and greedy by wielding magic and harvesting the mothercrystals to amplify their powers.
The humans are the creation of these gods. All the gods except Ultima give up their physical bodies and become crystals that suck up the planet energy to become ether/magic for the humans to harness and use so that the humans can evolve and borne a vassal strong enough to absorb all their energies to let Ultima to use that human as a vessel to cast a world creation spell. While all these are taking time to proceed Ultima just hibernate as do his other kins in consciousness form. With each mother crystal destroy the magic go to the human and the consciousness go to Ultima.
They are all one in the same the whole time. Both humanity and god could have live and work together if it's not for the existence of the blight. Ultima can't shake off blight without sacrificing humanity and living in coexistence with humanity mean the blight will take them away in time to come.
Ultima don't need to cast a world creating spell by waiting for a mytho to absorb all his race energy to do so. He and humanity just need to stop using magic that's all.
From my perspective no he's not wrong after all he is a god and he created them such is his right
@@Cold_Zero_The_Wise i agree with this
@@slimpyslimpy people simply don't get that as an all powerful being who can control and destroy, human morality does not apply to him, had a friend ask me if God is almighty then why doesn't he fix the world and make us better people?, My response was that he doesn't owe you anything as god if he want to kill you and your family and resurrect you the tells you to worship him he has that right to do so. But anyways that's my take, in real life god is good just not all the time cause we have free will and if he helped everyone everywhere we wouldn't be free to make mistakes or made good choices.
Quick update: Blight was a side effect of using to much magic which was killing the land 2. When Clive destroyed all magic he destroyed the blight which is what the elder gods couldn’t do because they didn’t want to ever give up their magic power.
I kinda figured that was the case, something as powerfull as magic must have a cost, also the fact that it not only chased Ultima's people, but the humans that uses magic as well was an obvious red flag
Someone who understood , so strange this RUclipsr didnt understand that when he seems so informed about it.
The Blight was just a side effect for using magic too much and it gets erradicated for good when Clive destroys all magic.
This is it. Using magic consumes aether. Aether is the source of life. When magic is over used, and the aether supply runs out, life cannot be sustained. The Blight didn’t “chase” Ultima’s race, it’s simply a consequence of heavily using magic.
When the final Mothercrystal is destroyed and magic is removed from Valisthea, the blight stops. But people will have to figure out how to light fires, fill wells, dry their clothes etc on their own.
@@SonicPhantom89 exactly.
Exactly this, control of aether creates magic, but it does so by using the nature life, in doing is is stripping life from the natural world, as Cid told us. It's a parallel with renewable vs non renewable energy.
I personally think the Blight was either stopped or eliminated after Clive banished magic from the world, we see in the post credits scene that life goes on a long time after Clive and that his story is considered a fairy tale which at least means that hundreds of years at least have passed and had the blight remained it would have devoured the world by then
Fair point indeed..i didnt think of that…what do you think ultima was referring to at the end then?
@@slimpyslimpy I think that Ultima was so set in his ways and so arrogant that he still thinks less of humans even in his dying breath, probably just didn't think that Clive would actually use all of his power (at a great cost to himself) to do what he did.
i think you are right..i like what you are saying...blight comes from magic...clive absorbs all eikons..destroys himself and with that magic...so blight must have ended
Clive saves the planet he gets rid of the cause of the blush which was magic.
@@slimpyslimpy He is referring to that Ultima is immortal, mankind is not and will die eventually. Also he might refer to Clive not stopping magick use and taking his power for himself. Therefor the blight will continue to spread. Beacuse Ultima never knew what Clive wanted. At the very end Ultima still did not understand Clive or mankind's will to survive.
I really want to know more about the fallen civilization, where the eikons came from and how humans were able to embody them
Will do
Pretty sure Ultima was always "awake", not awakened when Clive destroyed the first Mothercrystal. He was influencing Clive into becoming a vessel since his early years and tried to break his will in process by manipulating the events around him, so by the time he gathers enough power he would not have his own will and would become Ultima's puppet, like Barnabas. You can see Ultima's silhouette right before Clive transforms into Ifrit, which forces him to kill Phoenix to get his full power, although Clive already had a part of it as a blessing from Joshua.
Ultima and Mythos are essentially twins from what I understood and can handle the same amount of magic power. They both have Ifrit's appearance with Phoenix wings in their prime/risen form, they both can use other Eikon's abilities, so I would assume that all what Ultima needed was an Ifrit dominant and Clive was probably the first one to exist, because, as we know, there's always been a Phoenix in Clive's family tree. The reason why he needed a vessel was because Ultima didn't want to die during "Rebirth" and his body was probably weak after the initial contact with Blight back on his planet. Knowing this, Ultima started cooking Clive since he was born, or from the exact moment he called for Ifrit's power out of desperation to save Joshua. But instead the events Clive has been through just strengthen his will so he could overcome Ultima in the end
The Blight was caused by Magic. In the end when Clive destroys the source of Magic. The land was no longer being drained. Hence The Blight stopped, and the land began to recover as the Aether that was drawn into by Ultima was released.
The story with Ultima and the Mothercrystals kind of reminds me of the final boss from Chrono Trigger absorbing life energy over eons of time.
Both were aliens who had magic and both didn't understand the world they evolved into.
Ultima reminds me of Bhunivelze from Ligtning Returns FFXIII. Both were gods, both were most strongest. Both wanted to create new worlds. They never cared about peoples. Both were destroyed by their creation. And so many other similarities.
Why did bhunivelze want to make a new world?
@@slimpyslimpy He want to recreate world when he is the God, Lightning will be Goddess of Death like Etro and on the new world it would be humans without every emotion like god´s puppets.
I was about to make the same comment about FF13-3 final boss!
Bhunivelze & Bahamut from XV, too, are very alike. The blight is also a lot like Chaos & the Starscourge in those games. The Akashic are like Ceith from 13 as well.
One thing I liked the about FF13 trilogy, the the main characters as well as killing god also moved to his 'new world' and took it for themselves. In a lot of FF games the protagonists always tend to stop the creation of or destroy the gods 'new world' to fight for their own so it was a nice twist to the classic trope for me.
A little tidbit here, I don't believe that Clive and Cid released ultima at drakes head. They released one of the beings. But I guess they were released way sooner.
First Clive awakens ifrit by seeing something, and a voice, that was última, also Barnabas was already a puppet, and there's the strange dissapearance of leviathan and the dimming of the drake's eye. I believe this event led to últimas awakening, that lead to the rest of the story.
Also Cid abandoned Barnabas for a reason and he already kinda knew about ultima
Yeah there are multiple ultimas. In the active time lord after u beat ultima, it states that all of those beings share his consciousness. So when Joshua and Clive confront ultima at the end of the game, it’s why there is one that is talking to them and why the one in Joshua chest is still there
Slight Correction, Ultima was awake for a lot longer than the destruction of Drake’s head. The Hooded Man Clive sees during the Night of Fire at Phoenix Gate was in fact Ultima. As was the Hooded Man seen prior to the fight against Fully Primed Garuda, admits the crowd of people at Drakes Breath before Liquid Flame appeared, and was the figured who lured Clive and Jill into the ruins under Phoenix Gate.
It’s a great twist because I’m assuming most players, like me, thought it may have been Joshua since it was revealed that he too was a hooded man (maybe not for phoenix gate in the flash back). Like I originally thought that Joshua led Clive and Jill to the underground for Clive to accept the truth and fully embrace ifrit, only for it to be a part of ultimas plan
Ultima is an actor named Mads Mikkelsen
did mads do the acting for ultima?
@@slimpyslimpy no it was a joke because of how ultima looks like mads mikkelsen lol
@@sedlyholmes3722 oh haha
Beyond impressed with this game and particularly the voice acting. When the VA for Ultima spoke, it makes you just wanna punch him, but that’s how you know they did a really good job.
The blight is gone, undone by Clive which was produced by magic. Clive had to sacrifice himself due to the amount of magic used. In fact, any person who uses magic will get cursed. The only exceptions are Eikons. However only to the extent if they don't overdo it. Unlike the branded who will turn to stone sooner or later if they use it too much and are less resilient. It wasn't overnight, but you can see that Joshua wrote a book named "Final Fantasy" and that this is in the far future, where magic doesn't exist anymore. So to those people, those that are truly blessed, those who Cid, Clive, and everyone else fought for, never actually knew this was a real story, just a mere fantasy book.
The greatest irony of Ultima's plan is that for all his talk of Clive being the perfect vessel for him to take over, Clive's body can't handle the overwhelming power of Ultima and all the Eikons combined
Seemed to imply Ultima's plan would fail horribly
he was missing leviathan power. Ultima was also a god not human so different circumstances.
Well at the end before u fight his final form, he says “time to empty the vessel” so I’m assuming that Clive was a vessel to carry all of the eikons powers and deliver it to ultima, not for ultima to actually use Clive as a host for himself
Same Final Fantasy 9 plot twist
Not exactly. The people of Terra didn’t create Gaia. Garland wanted to take over Gaia through terraforming.
@@Urlastnerve still very similar. It s an obvious reference, like the Ultima form with the black Wing (Sephiroth).
The sequence of Ultima explaining in the multidimensional Rift , is exactly the same as Garland with Zidane in the Pandemonium.
The goal of the Jenome people is the same as the Ultimas.
Its incredible how what this story is trying to state could theoretically be what this world might or is passing from to an extent - we choose technology and destroyed nature for it and more we move ahead the more we turn technological and apart ourself from nature. Maybe its gods plan? maybe its a game - all I will say this game is truly a masterpiece - if this was made in a co-op (dungeon event or boss hunts)/mmorpg it would been the game of the semi-decade not of the year.
beautifully written
Great video. Summarizes every mayor point on Ultima story and is concise in 4 minutes. Thumbs up.
Thank you man..if you have feedback for how to make it better. Just let me know
0:23 Honestly I don’t think Ultima is a race like I think when he created humanity he probably felt deep regret that they weren’t following his instructions down to the letter so he probably clone himself multiple times and called it a race and that’s probably what a lot of his clones probably believed but also halfway didn’t believe as a collective consciousness knowing that they are one technically but they’re not one as so-called individuals who all think alike with the same and act the same I think the ultimate race was just created out of some sort of cope that he couldn’t rule over humanity so the best person to rule over is himself when you think about it it makes him even more pathetic as a God
The whole plot reminds me of this quote by Nietzsche: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him".
So was Ultima the only survivor of his race? Or did their race only ever consist of a hive mind of identical Ultimas? or are there more of their people hibernating still waiting for raise to be cast? Also on the big origin disc underneath the Crystalline dominion it looks like I can make out structures and buildings, was it also their city as well as a machine? I would love to see a DLC covering the fall of Dzemekys and Ultimas initial awakening too, maybe even the loss of leviathan.
I wonder if the engineers from Prometheus were used as inspiration for design and background story for Ultima? Because, not only does Ultima look very similar to the engineer’s in appearance, he seeded life on the planet as well?🤔
Good on you to spot the similarities
Clive is like Kratos
So powerful to challenge a God
God killer
Damn FF16 is Fucking Amazing🤩🤩🤩🤩
Ultima was so arrogant he didn't explain it in a way it can be easily understood.
actually the blight more or less ended as humans basically lost the ability of magic and only see it as something from fairy tales as seen in the post credits
my homeboy ultima's biggest mistake was not playing neir replicant and leaving it in his backlog. he would've seen how project gastalt turned out.
OK that was a deep explanation. A great one too. 5/5!
Even though after the credits scene is basically way in the future were magic doesn’t exist anymore an dominants and eikons are all but a fairytale
I still don't know who is Logos...Ultima called Clive that a few times or asked him if he was Logos can't remember.
Logos is Jesus Christ
Why do I get the feeling that Ultima was like the “Ted Faro” of his people, but more intelligent.
something about him reminds me of kefka the way he doesn’t value life and plans to make his own world kinda like kefkas tower
I would love if they would tie this in with Stranger of Paradise.
My headcanon:
Ultima being one of the countless Astos clones (Ultima Weapons) who were sent to the multitude of other dimensions as observers.
After Garland pretty much destroyed the Lufenians and Lufenia, the various Ultima Weapons in other dimensions no longer got any orders from their Lufenian masters (as most if not all of them are dead.)
"The blight" is pretty much the same as the darkness that is borne from the emotions and thoughts of humanity from within the crystals.
I don't remember but does the game explain what are the Dominants and the Eikons? Are they an embodiment of element from each Ultima in each mothercrystal? If so then why is there only 5 crystals now but 7 dominants? etc2
Damn good question
there supossed to be 7 crystals, the 2 lost crystals are dzemekyz crystal that now became crater with many waterfalls and crystal in northern teritories, actually you can see the northern lost crystals from royal meadows
I think that the Eikon's are the original forms of the survivors of Ultima's race. Their Will and Consiousness were separated, the consciousness (sense of self) became the Mother Crystal's, and their Wills (drive to survive) became the Eikons.
I feel like this is the far better version of Sombron from Fire Emblem Engage
With this video you got my subscription! I would love to see more videos that go more deeper into lore and history than this
Coming up
Someone help me is ultima the strongest god like being in the franchise or is lighting stronger
Can’t wait for the rising tide dlc as maybe it will alter the ending or explain more on what happened at the end.
its gonna alter the ending 100%
Wait, I’m confused. Is Valisthea like Earth or a continent? Were Ultima’s race came from a different galaxy or something? Or were they the original inhabitants of the planet? Did they also create those ancient ruins and that ruined airship?
I feel like the game could’ve expanded the story, like a little flashback scenes on their race. Kinda like how Assassins Creed did it, or Superman’s Man of Steel movie.
Yeah it’s kinda weird how ultima kept referring to his old world as “land”, so I take it he’s from another planet entirely, but the blight travel between literal planets seems far fetched and doesn’t make too much sense, but neither does ultima just coming from another continent
I think it’s implied that Ultima and his Kin came from another planet. The blight following them is a consequence of them using magic, but they are too righteous to stop using magic so they devised a plan
@@alejandromomota6934Valisthea became blighted because of the mothercrystals sucking up aether for Ultimas spell. Humans learning to use magic didn't help either.
@@vicbaus2899 I see, yeah I feel like an idiot when they explain this so blatantly but the way it was told felt roundabout with ultima’s dialogue
@@alejandromomota6934 He was speaking figuratively when saying the blight followed him, not in a literal sense, it didn't travel between planets. He brought magic to a new world, and thus the Blight started spreading same as it did in Ultima's home.
Isn't the blight a side effect of over usage of Either?
Lack of Either = lack of life energy = blight.
@@Vicksyl correct
My question is: how stupid is Ultima to not consider free will, which he could see in generations of humans repeating after each other?
There are real people that reject the concept of free will, so Ultima might serve as interesting metaphor for them.
So what is Ifrit, the second eikon of fire and why is everyone surprised by it? is it because for some reason the ifrit/ phoenix hybrid was cut into two, but only the mythos would harbor the ifrit throughout time?
I guess ifrit represents the flames of destruction the same way phoenix is the flame of rebirth. In a way a primordial power in fire separated by their intent.
Eikons seem to generate from primordial aether, aether belonging to origin or creation of things, I believe they are beings of aether fully concentrate, since aether is nature energy, eikons is nature's primordial or highly concentrated energy like fire, lightning, ice, light, darkness, earth, cold....
"Ifrit" is actually Ultima, and only had fire powers because of Clyde's personal connection to Phoenix. You fight a more complete version during the final fight inside Clyde's mind. People were surprised because it was a "brand new" Eikon that was never seen before.
@@gabrielclark1425 that only answers ifrit, but not the other eikons
@@PauloSousa86 Odin explains it, the dominants and their Eikons are meant to feed the Mythos to see if the vessel explodes and ensure they are capable of casting Primogenesis.
Hello.
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I believe IGNorance stole your explanation when they made a video, 3 days after this one.
It is literally word by word the same thing you said in this video.
Thanks for the explanation! I needed it! Such a great story and game 👏🏽
The gods sacrifice their physical form to escape and travel to valishtea, some of them put their essence to create the crystals.
But not all of them, the disincarnation was their only solution to avoid the blight and flee.
And for that they need the vessel, not only for cast the spell to create that new world but in order to incarnate again.
Honestly with how essential eikons and dominants are to the game, we didn't get much from them in terms of lore and characterizations. Unless I'm missing something, all we're really told is they serve Ultima. But why do they need dominants? How are people chosen? How do they interact with their dominants or to each other. Other than giving their powers to Mythos, how were they serving Ultima? There's not much story to Eikons apart from being massive weapons and Clive taking their powers.
You are partially right..check my next video it will answer few of your questions
Ultima seemed to imply that the Dominants are lineages (almost exclusively royal) that were originally meant to provide 'tests' for anyone with the potential to be the Mythos. A false Mythos would fail at besting the Dominants and die. In a way, it seems like they're kind of meant to attune and unlock elemental affinity within Mythos in preparation for the moment when Ultima overtakes the vessel so that he doesn't suffer from inequities in magical attunement and can cast Primogenesis without dying to its extreme cost. Of course, at the end, Clive realizes that his body still would have failed and Ultima would have died casting it anyway, which is ironic.
Is there any reference on the 16 survivors? Where do we get this number?
Why do they need a vessel strong enough to wield it when Ultimate and all his clones or duplicates are one and the same and is a god with his own vessel if you can create humanity you can create a new world without a humans help.
Damn this is a good question!
Notice how you only fight him inside either mental landscapes or the crystals themselves. He's quite limited without a body.
Wait so did Ultima created the Fallen?
I have a seperate video on the fallen..check my crater video
Here is a quote which, I feel, perfectly describes Ultima:
_The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully._
*- Richard Dawkins*
is Ultima Linked to Jenova at all you think ?
Tell me first why you think there is connection
@@slimpyslimpy Jenova looks a bit like Ultima in her humanoid form .. then jenova also infiltrates the ancients in the exact same way sends them into madness a bit like the dominants in this game either its just an easter egg or its done on purpose
@xeonaught6942 Maybe there is a similar a connection, a race of hive mind aliens that go out to drain world's of it life source.
There's the Creator god from FF 4 who really looks like Última. Jenova could be an experiment that got out of control.
Great video
If humanity was in Ultima's situation, humanity would do the same to robots or another intelligent species we create. If mankind had to hibernate in ice to save Earth while the robots around us gained sentience and formed their own civilizations, humanity would try to reclaim control over their property and ensure Earth belonged to mankind once more. From Ultima's god race's point of view, it is humane. Clive called Ultima a coward. However, Ultima told Clive he was wrong because Ultima wanted to save his race and they were forced to hibernate. As Ultima and his kind hibernated, humanity became sinful and greedy by wielding magic and harvesting the mothercrystals to amplify their powers. I am confused with the ending because Ultima told Clive and Joshua that humanity was only created to create a Mythos. Then Clive just did a whole humanity "will to survive" speech in the final battle showing Clive did not pay attention to Ultima's revelation. Honestly, the story following the five-year time skip was bad in my opinion.
THIS IS HOW I WOULD'VE WROTE THE FFXVI STORY (Remove the Iron Kingdom as a Faction. They were completely meaningless in the story of FFXVI):
Anabelle Rosfield (Real Name: Lucifer) turns out to be a fallen Eikon from Heaven. Her goal was to use the mothercrystals (which gave humanity magic) to drain Valisthea's life force so she can conjure magic powerful enough to return home to Heaven. In the past, Lucifer and her fellow Eikons rebelled against Eikonkind and were banished to Valisthea where she created humanity and helped bring the rise of non-magical technological innovations. However, she was not satisfied with the wealth and power she attained and became bitter with a longing to be forgiven and return home. The situation was made worse when her fellow Eikon brothers and sisters were killed by rebellious, sinful, and greedy humans who were powerful bearers of magic. and were reincarnated again and again as Dominants. Bearers were once conquerors until the Fallen defeated them and turned them into indentured servants.
Over time, Lucifer hates humanity because they reflect the once rebellious goddess she was before she was banished from her home. When the Fallen, in their sky cities, became tyrannical rulers, Lucifer destroyed them because their actions to become gods reflected her own past sin against Heaven. Following the Fallen's fall, Lucifer made an oath to do anything to return home and repent for her past sins. All she desires is to return home. Thus, she labored and manipulated humanity's history to ensure the Empire of Sanbreque conquer all of Valisthea and ensure that her work with the mothercrystals remain undisturbed. However, the Duchy of Rosaria and its Phoenix Eikon was a threat and Lucifer worked to have the Empire conquer Rosaria. To do this, Lucifer possessed "Anabelle Lesage", daughter of Emperor Sylvestre Lesage and older sister to Dion Lesage, married to Elwin Rosfield, and became the Duchess of Rosaria for many years hoping to take the Phoenix as a royal, loyal servant for the Empire. However, Lucifer's plans to retrieve Phoenix failed because of Ifrit, once a human turned Eikon due to his loyalty to Lucifer and her Eikon family and wasn't reincarnated until Clive appears. Nevertheless, Rosaria became part of the Empire.
No one knows Lucifer's deception until King Barnabas of Waloed knew years before the tragic events of Phoenix Gate. Barnabas descended from a surviving Fallen Royal family branch that desired revenge against Lucifer. After taking over the Kingdom of Waloed as its king, Barnabas starts a crusade to end Lucifer and her plans by working to destroy the mothercrystals. Barnabas enlisted the aid of Cid and Cid's protege, Benedikta. Leviathan's Dominant also joined as Waloed's navy commander. Despite Barnabas' noble work, Cid saw that Barnabas wanted to restore the Fallen to glory. Even if magic is gone following the destruction of the Mothercrystals, Barnabas can utilize the Fallen's technology to technologically conquer mankind and bring a dark reign. For this reason, Cid defected and created his Bearer faction where he desired mankind's peace and freedom. Benedikta did not join her mentor due to her love for her king and loyalty to his ideals. As Waloed's spymaster, she secretly recruited Hugo Kupka (Titan) who grew tired of his wealthy life and wanted to bring change to the world. However, Benedikta later redeems herself with Cid's help.
Following the tragic events of Phoenix Gate, Clive became a marked bearer while Jill forcibly served as the Empire's Dominant when Shiva awoke in her. Shiva was sent to engage the Empire's enemies, the Dhalmekian Republic. Despite his status, Clive served under Dion Lesage who he secretly befriended. Dion is revealed to be a secret ally of Cid and planned with Clive to help him and Jill escape to Cid following Shiva's fight with Titan in Storm. Sometime later, Cid relays to Clive and Jill what he learned as former Lord Commander of Waloed's armies: Lucifer and King Barnabas' schemes. The plan was to destroy the mothercrystals one by one and to destroy Lucifer and King Barnabas. The War of the Eikons followed with King Barnabas' defeat at a hidden Fallen sky city, the mothercrystals destroyed, and Lucifer's death. Lucifer became blinded in the final battle and the battle made her act strange as she tells Clive that she wants to go home and how she misses her Eikon brethren in Heaven and regrets rebelling against them for prideful and selfish reasons.
Following the fall of magic and Valisthea's nations, Clive helps humanity rebuild alongside his surviving friends and allies.
Bro this is beautifull and so well explained..how did you come to this great conlusion
@@slimpyslimpy Ultima told Clive of his intentions and why he made humanity and Clive made a speech about Ultima not caring about humanity. What? Ultima told Clive that he and his kind only made humanity create a Mythos. What the heck? Also, Anabelle being a Lucifer-Figure main antagonist who desires to return to Heaven to repent, Barnabas (Odin) scheming to restore the Fallen's glory, and Dion-Cid Alliance to overthrow the former two is a much more Game of Thrones story than what we got. The story I wrote has more conspiracy and manipulation than the whole messy Ultima story. The character bios in the FFXVI website had so much promise with the characters manipulating events to get what they want only to have Hugo Kupka (Titan) be a Garuda simp, Benedikta a whiner who could've joined her mentor Cid, Barnabas a God simp, Joshua who is alive ruins the pain Clive felt in the beginning, Cid dying too early, Dion was fine, Jill was fine, and Clive was fine but he could have at least paid attention to Ultima's words than making things up. Plus, the last sin was not having a sea and ship battle boss fight with Leviathan. In my opinion, the 10-year-old Joshua should've remained dead and returned as a Phoenix ghost to guide Clive similar to how Obi-Wan (Force Ghost) helped Luke Skywalker but not always. Overall, all the characters should've been great schemers who fight for good and bad motives. In addition, the Iron Kingdom was totally unnecessary to add and its role could've been used by the Empire of Sanbreque. The game's overwhelming and confusing story is ignored by the great combat systems and Eikon boss fights. No wonder why they heavily advertised the gameplay, not the story. Since it is a game, I will let this slide. Games are meant to be exciting compared to just another way to give visual stories like movies and tv shows.
My Man that Rewrite of the Game should be the premise also it would explain why Annabella was such a bitch two her two sons and making her the main villain would have given creed to Final Fantasy Pheasant theory on mothers being overbearing and protective to the point of causing the creations/children to be sick also imagine Clive Teaming up with the rebelling Eikons against Lucifer(Ultima Standin) and Barnabas/Odin it be amazing Kudos on this Comment Brother
What would have happened if sid.. Did not campaign for clive and everybody. To destroy the mother crystals it would not have started off ultima
Ultima did nothing wrong! 🙇♀🗿 👽
Ultima is extremely similar to gnostic idea of "god". Malevolent Demiurge.
If there were only a handful of ultima that traveled to the land, why are there ruins of the fallen all over the country?
Ultima gass light the entire world and cast sans Cid Clive Jill Togal and Jill
Yes exactly
what a deep story fantastic.
Yo, why does the script in this video sound similar to the IGN one? (ruclips.net/video/shd0NRdEMcA/видео.html) Did they copy you?
No idea brother..if they did it is what is
Basically FFXVI ripped off Hitchhickers Guide to the Galaxy. Where mice created humanity to answer the ultimate question. But when the answer was finally found, the Earth was destroyed to make way for an intergalactic highway. 🤣
since 16 still ties to the world of 14, if you ever play the 14 you will know there is a 3rd world that is doomed to be rejoined with the source, this hint is from the shadowbringer song.
threescore wasted = 3 worlds that is on the brink of destruction, the first, the thirteen, and the 3rd one is unknown.
it is possible the 16 world is the 3rd world with the blight that slowly destroys the world, this is in line with what happened to the first which is the world consumes by too much light and it is on the brink of destruction and almost met the requirement to be rejoined.
when clive decided to erase the magic of the world, he destroy the blight too and thus making the rejoining impossible, this is similar to the oracle of light of the First who stopped the flood of light, and the Warrior of Darkness who slay the light-wardens to stop the spreading of the light and bring back the darkness, although he world of the first is already destroyed it has not met the requirement to be rejoined and the life goes on the area which the darkness has returned
In my opinion when you're a god as long as you take care of your creations, you have the right to destroy them(they're yours) but when you let them do their own thing and abandon them you basically let go of the responsibility and whatever happens next is your fault and you have no right to say you own them. originally as long as you care they're yours and follow what you designed for them but after abandoning them they become something else.
No, you don't have the right to kill sapient beings, even as a god.
The entire story is trying to hammer it into your head that Ultima views humans exactly as most people view Bearers.
Ultima has the right to kill humanity, only if you are also willing to concede that a master should have the unimpeachable right to kill his slave.
And the story of the game flat out says a resounding: "No."
The story about Ultima is the worst part of this game imo. I thought it was so bad that I lost the motivation to play NG+.
I think the story of the first 80% was some of the best I've ever experienced though. A shame how it turned out in the end.
SOUNDS to me the Ulitma race is pretty much Ascians from Final fantasy 14.
Soooo...basically the plot of Xenogears and Ff Versus 13 (the original 15).
there is one eikon clive didn't absorb
Just makes me more mad at ff15 for not finishing the DLC because Dawn of the future was gonna have Noctis and everyone including Ardyn fight the gods instead
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Thought after the credits it shows the blight being gone. Clive fixed all that in its final crystal and used Ultima's power to restore everything before destroying the floating isle and being washed ashore to the beach and petrifying? some people claim it was only his hand, Think those people need to watch the video, his face was turning over as well on the edges of his forehead and neck.
Bro Ultima doesn't care. His goal is harvesting the world's energy (Aether). He created mother crystals to use them as drills to extract the energy and created humans to protect them. The Blight is a part of the world that is dying from being siphoned, and some humans have learned to channel Aether through crystals. The only thing that makes Clive special is his ability to absorb a large amount of Aether, which other Dominants can't. As you know, if you overuse Aether, you will turn to dust, which is why Ultima wants Clive's body. Ultima was awakened because they destroyed the mother crystal, and he never meant for Clive to actually destroy them all; he just wanted to brainwash him. But every time a mother crystal gets destroyed, Ultima regains his power. His ultimate goal is to turn everyone into zombies and resume his activities. However, in order to do that, he needs a vessel that can contain a large amount of Aether to cast a spell.
The plot resembles the concept of "Global Warming," with Aether representing fossil fuel, humans and Ultima representing people and companies that consume fossil fuel, and the Blight representing climate change.
aliens -_-
so ultima is just xenoblade 3 and emet selch smashed together
Who was emet selch again?
@@slimpyslimpy they are an antagonist from FF14
@@slimpyslimpy Arguably one of the best damn characters you'll ever know
@@TheNeoVariable Emet is easily top 3 antagonist
Damn i missed out then..ff7 remake and this ff16 are my first FF games
Dows IGN copied you or you copied IGN video?
which video was first?
@@slimpyslimpy so they did copy your vid
I still think we don't have the full picture.... To me it feels like he was just telling us the side of the story he wanted us to know.
I had a feeling he was gonna end up being someone that betrayed he's race in order to survive
Anybody else notice this guys explanation is almost word for word what IGNs explanation is? Watched them back to back and it’s clearly stolen work
Which video was first dipshit
Eu achei que ele falou a verdade
Never like FF story where you go kill god. It lame and isn't that good. Lightning returns did that, and the ending always isn't that satisfying. Now they back again. Smh.
Cope?
lame!!! you copied the IGN video
They copied me
@@slimpyslimpy
Wow 😮
You are correct, I’m sorry 😞.
I take back what I said.
This game blows