On the topic of prices, Genie Point have today increased prices to 83p 🤑. They obviously didn't get your memo about Tesla! How on earth can 83p be justified for only a 60kW charger.
Speed is unimportant, price is. Wholesale electricity bounces around at £0.06 per KwH. Quite a margin there. They rely on companies giving cards to their employees limited to one supplier. Also company vans etc. are also tied to them. Guaranteed price insensitive income.
Geniepoint are terrible, my local chargepoint cuts out after a few mins and doesn't have a contactless terminal, will be interesting to see what they do after the November deadline. They might just shut it down rather than fit a contactless terminal.
Brother had a Mitsubishi thing. Averaged about 30mpg if I remember , still got a massive company car tax reduction for a car that was worse than average. Politicians setting policy when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Great one Dave, pointing out the PHEV downsides and lack of actual charging being undertaken is crazy. Congrats on a over 3 million views and 12,200 subscribers. Glad to have been an early supporter!
My son lives 1.9 miles from the Tottenham Tesla Centre and 200 miles from me. It makes visiting him a no brainer charge at home and charge to full at the Tesla centre. Went to see him last weekend and there was a notice at the Tesla Centre saying as of 15th October they were no longer Open to all. I am now praying that the 4 supercharger locations at Reading stay open to all.
My dads Golf GTE came with a granny charger and a Type 2 cable. He used the granny charger at home in the garage for a while before getting a dedicated 16A wallbox mounted. Driving a PHEV without home charging is pointless. You're just transporting dead weight with an almost empty battery. It can't be good for the battery to sit at 5-10% all the time as well. For most batteries the ideal is 40-60% long term. This is also a problem when buying one second hand. Most if not all PHEVs have no dedicated counter for the distance driven electric vs on petrol. So you have no idea how the previous owner treated the car. If the previous owner never charged it then the battery degradation is going to be quite high. And with an already small battery this is really bad for a PHEV.
@@Gazer75 hang on, if a PHEV is driven primarily on fuel then the battery gets little usage, and so remains in good condition. If charged every day then the battery gets a lot of use.
@@G6EJDa battery that is little used is a lot of weight to be carrying around. I charged mine at work and conserved 20% of the battery for the commute the next morning. I think the battery degraded from 7.1 kWh down to 6.7 over time
My main concern with the charging regs is that some of the older 50kW or so installations aren't going to get contactless installed. They'll just be switched off and that'll be that.
The government should have headed up a scheme or company to get contactless payment units retrofitted to all affected units for an at-cost or near at-cost price. There can't be that many variations in charge point set ups - i.e. companies that manufacture them, so developing an add on unit should be quick. Do like Gridserve do and have a lab to test things out.
@@terryjimfletcher - there are multiple companies offering charger payment retrofit devices, some on charger some via standalone pedestal systems that have been available for a fair while (years). It's certain CPO's who have left it to the last moment, as this regulation has been on the cards since before 2020, but has been delayed a few times to allow the CPOs to take action. Some of the CPO's have chosen to ignore it to try to keep to their closed Apps/RFID based systems to milk the sites, many of these sites are also the ones with low maintenance and reliability - in effect they were always going to become defunct as that was the operators model. What certain operators are worried about is not the card paying element but the open data and reliability mandates of the regulations, as this erodes their locked-in business models and imposes a higher operational cost than they ever planned to implement.
You need a company like Gridserve here in the UK that was primarily created to "help the grid out" They deployed grid-level batteries that could then discharge high current for applications such as these charge points - whenever they need them. Of course most larger charge point sites have batteries deployed for exactly this reason, plus the electricity they recharge with is cheap overnight electricity - a win-win.
@ unfortunately in regional Australia never had grids built to handle fast DC charging. So the transmission lines just don’t have the capacity. Even with new renewables coming online in many locations the transmission capacity is not available
I drove a BMW 330e for four years before changing to Tesla M3 RWD in July. In electric mode the top speed before changing to petrol (according to the speedo) is 85 mph. In Hybrid 65 mph. A hack: If you press the Battery control button whilst driving on petrol the battery will charge as you drive along. I found 40 miles on petrol gave me 80% charge (20 miles). Therefore on long journeys I could get 80 miles electric. When I handed the car back to the lease company I had 52,000 total miles on the clock, of which 21,000 was electric miles.
Hi Dave I fully except your theory that many company PHEV drivers do not bother to charge....personally I ran a lovely Volvo V90 T6 for 30k miles in one year-charged it (cheaply at home) every night on a 3 pin and averaged 125mpg.....the electric part of it convinced me to buy a full EV!!!!!
I believe that MG will open a facility in the UK within 2 years - with a lot of money from the UK government. Their London-based design studio is seen as highly successful.
And you'll continue belching out lung irritating, asthma inducing NOx, unburnt carcinogenic hydrocarbons etc etc. If you can, try an electric car out if you have a driveway, especially if you have 2 cars. We were in that (legacy) situation of 2 cars - we tried swapping 1 car for an EV, and we quickly "adjusted" to being able to charge overnight (10 seconds plugging in, 20 seconds unplugging). We're now fossil fuel free for transport.
@terryjimfletcher, you never fly then? I find people very irritating and selfish these people who fly filling my lungs with harmful chemicals, not just ice vehicles what pollute you know. PS I have an Ev which I bought for me not to virtue signal.
How very British to have solar and wind farms built, but be unable to use them because the grid is virtually Victorian. In other news, I have a garage full of gasoline and in a few years I plan to buy a car. We really can't trust the government to have a clue how to get anything done right, can we?
Complete rubbish - the UK was one of the first countries to modernise it's grid in the 1960s onwards creating a country wide supergrid network. The upgrades happening now are relatively low scale dealling with issues of the past such as addressing congestion points, extending the network to areas previously poorly served and connecting up the coast for offshore renewables. The grid itself was designed to support 80GW transmission capability at it's peak in 2005/6 but nowdays, mainly due to efficiency gains, only operates at 20 to 30GW (with peaks of 40GW on some winter days). The solar/wind farm (onshore mainly)/charging site connection issues are less to do with the grid are more about local planning and provisioning via the Delivery Network Operators. The log jam is more buearcratic than capacity related as demand has grown significantly; an issue that is being addressed with more funding now being made available and the ramp up of resources to manage requests. The number of sites with capacity issues is relatively small, and often related to the issues of the past being poorly served areas with substations and grid connections. You need to be mindful of that gasoline, particularly if seeking to buy a car to use it in a few years, it has a shelf life and will gellify well before then and so become useless.
@@GruffSillyGoat Plus, if ever there was a fire at his home, and his insurance company discovered he was storing that much petrol in a garage, I doubt they'd pay out on any claim...... And yes, if it's been there more than a few Months without any fuel stabiliser in it, it'll be borderline unusable.....
@@GruffSillyGoat Obviously I was joking, the grid is not actually Victorian, but to be serious, a well-managed project gets this stuff done in parallel. No point in having a wind or solar farm ready to produce but can't be connected to the grid, whether that's hardware or software or paperwork. It's just wasteful. The stories I'm reading from the National Grid website and various other sources including the BBC suggest this was implemented in a less than ideal manner. The gasoline is no longer a problem now my garage has burned down.
@@ziploc2000 It was 90% paperwork - or more properly the policy /regulation of "First come First connected" even if the "First comers" weren't actually ready to connect!!! i.e. they hogged the capacity - classic "dog in a manger". Utter madness - which has now been/being sorted.
My friend had a BMW PHEV and never plugged it in. She only had it for about a month and then one day the battery started smouldering and the fire brigade had to come so it appears that they dont like not being charged at all
Yes but a PHEV is one of the most efficient ICE vehicles around because it can recuperate energy used to accelerate the vehicle - ie it can use the battery to slow the vehicle down.
@@G6EJDA self-charging hybrid makes some sense storing surplus energy to release it when required. A PHEV doesn't since the battery isn't large enough to give range, and you're just lugging round an unnecessary heavy load in ICE mode.
Who pays for your company PHEV fuel? If petrol goes on a company card, but home electricity is paid by the employee... Well, then obviously why would the employee bother?
My neighbour has a mini phev he always charges his overnight , he now has had a battery failure and has been told that a new battery will cost between £5000 and £8000, He has said he will never get another electric car...this summarises phev problems. I have a 39KW leaf just over 2 years old and have driven 40000 miles, best purchase I have every made
I nearly bought a PHEV but the limitations put me off. The petrol consumption increase, from carrying the heavy battery, were a lot hence long journeys were not brilliant cost. So where was the benefit for private owners. The finally kicker was the Road Tax. PHEVs then were all over the £40k "luxury car" tax hence also cost an additional £350 per year tax on top of the actual car tax - so about £600 a year more than BEV; which at the time was exempt. Now the crazy plan is to bring BEV under the "luxury tax" rule in April25 and before anyone starts shouting it was Hunt under Conservatives that did it. It is going to put a huge stop on BEV sales for cars over the £40k. Happy to pay some road tax but do think the extra hit on top should be pushed out to a more realistic £50k for BEV So trying to persuade wife to give up petrol and move to BEV before the April deadline .....
It is, just not recommended. BTW a socket is "rated" at 20A and when used by a granny charger draws 10A, so no problem. Like anything used for longer periods of time, it will wear out quicker tho.
@MikeGleesonazelectrics no it isn't. The type test at 14A for 4 or 8 hours only achieves thermal stability - as soon as a socket ages or gets grubby you will see overheating. Even appliance ratings reflect this.
@@MikeGleesonazelectrics it was never designed for it's rated load for extender peroids. 7671 is not the same as the type testing and design for the actual plugs and sockets. It was partially addressed in the 2018 amendment allowing specifically designed sockets to be marked "EV" but this only included additional cyclic testing and has not re-rated anything. Any common sense would show you that a standard UK socket is not going to last any kind of useful service life with 10A + loads for multiple hours, especially as it ages and the contact become dirty.
I don’t understand the problem Dave, you are always stating the average commute is only 16 miles per day and the car is just sat on your driveway for 90% of the time.
Hi Dave , very informative video. On the subject of cost per kWh Tesla vs the rest. I’m currently in Spain, whilst charging at an INOITY charger I noticed a large bank of V4 Superchargers close by, shame I would like have tried the Superchargers. So I checked their cost. It was, according to Tesla, peak time though none of the chargers were in use the cost was €0.60/kWh. This is on par with IONITY through Electroverse and more expensive than others operators. Another example that we pay too much in the UK.
Would have been nice if you’d talked about the regulations that will apply all CPOs regarding reliability levels and data availability and not just focused on the effect on Tesla’s network.
@@Yeadon65 Particularly the payment problems, including contactless. The reasons why charging can be authorised (there's a pre-auth), but failure to charge. Particularly for a low 99% reliability will be monitored. You could also investigate what software monitoring is included with chargers and why we can't have better information from it (like peak usage times for that venue). Google know by phones connected at location; why don't EV chargers do better.
Not only apocryphal it's a pointless statement as it doesn't demonstrate anything - owned a PHEV in the past and now a BEV and I've never opened the cables as used the tethered cable both at home and on chargers when out and about. Still a lot of anti-EV channels put a lot of import on this statement as if it has significant meaning for them, without realising it just demonstrates their lack of knowledge and understanding.
@@GruffSillyGoat Its certainly true for the majority of the plug in hybrid cars that my company provided to our engineers a few years ago. The range was only around 20 miles on a charge but it took hours to charge the caar so the drivers never bothered. With an average mileage of 40,000 per year they just wanted to drive and get to the job or home.
@@Kevin-dp1vy - most companies in the past for high mileage usage tended to buy HEVs as these higher MPG compared to a PHEV outweighed the company car tax advantage. These days with PHEVs offering up to 90 miles (more for series types / EREVs supporting DC charging) provides a middle ground. But with the budget's disincentive of PHEVs and what with BEVs offering 300+ miles it seems the government intends to push BEVs more.
PHEV’s are not that expensive to use, a gallon of fuel costs £6.08 (£1.329/litre) which buys 21kWh at the cap-rate and an an average of 3-miles per kWh yields a consumption equivalent of 63mpg so much cheaper to charge at home than to buy fuel. On a low rate tariff the savings are huge.
I'm on an older EV driver tariff that's 5.5p per kWh from midnight to 5am in that time I can put around 35kW into my battery to top it, so to top up my 64kWh battery in that 5 hours it literally costs me £1.90 for about half my battery which is realistic range of 130 miles on that which is around 1.5 pence per mile. I cant be bothered to convert that to equivalent MPG lol. Oh if you want to work that out I'm averaging 4.2 miles per kWh in my 2022 Hyundai Kona 64kWh full EV
@G6EJD I was only tongue in cheek but really couldn't be bothered to work it out so thanks, I appreciate it and am amazed it's that high! BTW, I notice your name and do I take it you are also a amateur radio operator? If so, maybe we will meet on the for one day. 73's 2E0PJC
There are EV chargers in the car park where I work. I’ve never seen a PHEV plugged into one yet apart from the one I had. When I had my 2017 Golf GTE I didn’t get much electric only range but I got 65.4 mpg last winter with temperatures as low as minus 7.5
Are they talking about using a 3ph type 2 like you often get at industrial sites? That may well be 11kw ergo 2 ish hours. I don’t know the car tbh though
Many homes in Europe use 3-phase, including Germany, home of BMW. My wallbox is 11kW at 16Amp 3-phase. It stands to reason the car can support that and the handbook quotes charging speed for that.
You had to mention HS2...my blood boils. We in the North had to listen to the Tory ministers in the media tell us that it was to aid "Levelling Up". Yea, right. _that's_ why construction started in London then is it? It was obvious all along it was meant to expand the commuter belt out. Sorry for the rant, another good, informative video.
The Tesla commentary misses the simple avoidance method for non-Tesla drivers - Tesla membership. Use of the Tesla app, reduces the cost of charging and is easily used. Of course, company car drivers will generally not be bothered with this and will only use the 'company card' - thus excluding Tesla.
@@Grumpydadwithtech - regs state a wireless payment terminal and screen for displaying prices - these don't have to be on the charger points the screen and payment terminal could be on a pedestal serving multiple charger points; this applies even if the charging point already has an RFID card reader (as this may not be compatible with wireless payment). In effect this brings EV chargers into payment processing regulations, such as that which already apply to fossil-fuel pumps, as the payment devices have to meet certain secure transaction standards (whether by bank card, apple/google pay, automaker specific card or a electricity bill payment based scheme such as Electroverse). Although some people like apps or charger specific RFID schemes, to be more universally accessible adopting standard payment processes opens up the chargers.
Most modern hybrid cars are now ulez compliant, and I think that is why people buy them.... They avoid the congestion and pollution charges, yet drive purely on petrol or diesel anyway....
Why would they buy a more expensive hybrid for ULEZ reason, when petrol/diesel cars also offer Euro 4 or 6 ULEZ compliance? Also, as ULEZ rules are due to tighten over the years up to 2035 both ICE cars of all types (hybrids or otherwise) will fall outside of the current exemptions.
Things could have been a lot worse for EV take-up in the recent budget. I was half expecting Reeves to start reducing/removing the tax incentives on EV as this is a policy that largely benefits better off people and would have been an easier sell to their traditional voter base.
Hi great video, do the new regulations only apply to chargers fitted after the 24th? I imagine it could be very expensive to retro fit them or even add a external unit.
It applies to new chargers over 8kW but all chargers over 50kW. It talks about proprietary networks having a year from opening up to the general public to update to contactless.
The V2 chargers near Portsmouth are being closed to non Tesla from 21st November. I was told by an engineer servicing them. Also I see GRIDSERVE is now 5% off
The CPO regulations allow for operators of propietary networks to meet guidelines within a time period. Allowingup to one year after the site becomes open to all to meet the contactless payment requirements. This doesn't not require the individual chargers to be modified as stand alone pedastal solutions are available that could integrated via APIs to the Tesla charger network. Similarly, those sites requiring registration of parking, such as hotels, can integrate payment solution into their parking reservation terminals. However, for Tesla their concern may be more regarding the opening up of data via an industry standard API as this would allow third-parties to access their site and rates data (such as Zapmap) increasing competition as this could lead to dynamic pricing by competitors (which is a good thing for the consumer).
Have to say this government like others talk up a greener future but fail miserably to make it happen. These types of policies along with recent VED changes will not encourage people to greener vehicles. With no government push with the energy sector they too are not making the process easier or cheaper for EV or green technology
It's UK wide - the guidelines are quite easy to find. Also I'm not sure what this talk about a "waiver for Tesla" is all about. Why would there be a waiver when the regulations didn't exist prior to November 2023 and there's a year's grace for enforcement of the regulations for the existing charge points of all CPOs (no specific "waiver for Tesla"): www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance/public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance
PHEVs for business use don't make much sense. The driver will get a fuel card which their employer pays for, but if they charge it at home how do they get their employer to pay for the energy? It's an awful lot of hassle to claim this back through expenses, so it's unsurprising that a PHEV company car is never charged.
But people like Dave and all the EV evangelists tell us charging at home is "peanuts" so why would an employee care if they were using their own "peanuts"? h wait, it isn't "peanuts" after all...
If you do have a driveway, you would be mad not to buy an EV. They cost virtually nothing to run. My daughter has an ev and now never pays anything for fuel. Her office has free chargers.😮
@@MarkHewitt1978 LOL he never said that that the CAR was free, he said, FOR HIS DAUGHTER, that the car cost virtually nothing to run seeing as her employer gave out FREE ELECTRIC to recharge it. Mark Rozee only wrote 38 words and you ignored the important 5.
Nothing you've said about PHEV applies to me. I'm so sad to see EV drivers hating PHEV more than diesel. My average MPG (UK) over 100.000 km is 94. About 60% of the distance is made on pure EV. As for why I didn't get a pure EV since I can charge it at home, I already explained you that there are those periods of the year called weekends and places where I go that don't have charging points, because the whole point to go there is that they are remote places. Yes, PHEV offer the best of both worlds, if you know how to use it. PS mine has also DC charging.
Seems you are one of the very few that actually charge your PHEV which begs the question why you didn't buy a full EV. A PHEV is the worst of both worlds, high maintenance cost and slow charging, it is the favorite car if you ask the service centers. A reasonable EV can drive 250 miles on a full battery and with that kind of range you can really get to really remote locations and back again with a little planning and can be topped up in less time to visit the bathroom and buy some refreshments. Most people I know who have a PHEV think it is a very nice car until they have the car serviced
Politicians are easy targets to blame. However it is almost always Civil Servants who are behind each and every catastrophe. Norway negotiated 66% of the profits from their North Sea Oil to stay in Norway. They did not waste the money but have a huge pension fund for each and every Norwegian. The UK has what left? The charging plans would have been drawn up by civil servants who studied Greek at Uni and have zero knowledge about anything to do with electricity. They also tend to be proud of knowing nothing. Given the option of being an MP in the last six years of my working life I would have said NO! The pay would have been lower than my current salary and I would have been on the receiving end of vitriolic and snide remarks. Nobody with the skills and experience to make a good politician would ever dream of becoming one. Too much crap and that hurts us all.
You do realise it was the Thatcher government that decided to adopt a freemarket rather than state wealth approach for UK oil and gas, whereas the Norwegian government decided the state approach was best for their people; i.e. it was an idealogical decision not an economic one. Civil servants don't act or make decisions on their own they are instructed by ministers to produced plans and options, often with very skewed guidelines designed to limit options or promote a specific outcome. It's then the ministers who decide which ones to present to parliment in line with the government of the day agenda for parliment to vote upon. Blaming civil servants for the UK's decision not to create a soverign wealth fund using oil and gas revenues is like blaming the cleaner on board an oil rig for a 10,000 barrel oil spill because then couldn't mop it up quick enough.
so BMW are fiddling their figures? i'm shocked, shocked i say...ok not that shocked. ill stick with my little Corsa-E and charge at home for around 2 to 2.5 pounds a week going back and forth to work :-)
I have had a 2018 330e, only good thing was BIK !It did 17 miles on a charge, charged every day, 13 miles by end of 3 year lease.Now have a Rav 4plug in, type 2 charger full charge 2.5 hours 43 miles on my mates wallbox,not sure why the BMW took so long. On a granny charge says 8 hours but took about 7 to get 42 miles,£2.11 per gallon is my cost on electric .Car does 43mpg on petrol alone, early days but am I mistaken about the 2.5 hour charge speed? I left it there for 4 hours but it came up on display as 2.5 hours and 8 on granny charger?
With all this air born pollution pumping out of internal combustion engines how come the WHA are saying human life on earth has has improved and less people are dying before their 80 plus?
Chargers with screens and terminals are just so 20th Century*, and I'm sure they will fade away, and probably fairly soon. But in the meantime, as said in this video, it's necessary to not cause hardship to those who are not set up for those slicker arrangements. *In spirit, that is. I realize there were no fast chargers for public use until after 2000, but there were gas pumps with screens and terminals.
I think tesla chargers will be fine. They will keep the waver for historic chargers, and probably when they need replacing/repairing the older ones will get replaced whatever the latest gen is at that time. It makes no sesne for the gov to block use of them. Then again, its our gov we are talking about.
The contactless payment upgrade only affects NEW chargers above 8kW and old ones of 50kW and above, so the existing 22kW Aldi chargers shouldn't be affected. 22kW is already pathetic of course, should be at least 150kW or better 350kW, so those faster charging vehicles can benefit from them. But if the UK Government wants more access to slower chargers, so be it. This won't help with EV adoption.
Remember up to 22kw is for ac destination charge points not dc ccs, massively cheaper to install and very useful for cars that can support the three phase 22kw on board charger. DC chargers from 50kw are for a quick top up not for parking.
Contactless also has massive problems since many users don't realise there's a limit on taps and total amount, so they turn up and then, shock, horror, their payment is declined but there's no means of authentication (I did use authentication once on Instavolt). The biggest problem is enabling the charger given payment approved (contactless, RFID or app). Far too many with pre-auths, which they don't understand. Reliability needs increasing above that low 99%. Tesla has been by far the best offering for price and their app, which shows some design rather than some kiddy abomination.
@@ziploc2000 because they are considered as destination chargers, which means you don't 'wait for the charge' you charge, BUT you are doing something else. the great example are malls. you are going to watch a movie. 2,5h long movie. you are on time (no adds, trailers) and you connect your car to 200kW supercharger. Would you leave the cinema after 20 minutes just to move your car and avoid blocking the charging spot? with 11/22kW chargers it's much easier, you are having a family dinner, shopping, watching a movie, and when you are back after two hours your car is 80-90% charged. These are not for people in the middle of 2k miles trip who needs a charging in 20 minutes to keep driving. they are for the people who charge at work and switch places during the lunch time. But they are super cheap compared to ultrachargers, that's why you can have economy of scale
Almost all recently installed chargers will offer a contactless payment facility. Even your local petrol station will cease taking cash before too long.... Loaded trucks and vans have had excessive tyre wear for decades, so why the sudden concern now? The front tyres on my Kia EV lasted 27k miles before I replaced them, so pretty much normal wear.. Try not to believe the nonsense you see in the press - especially regarding EV batteries and tyres - written by people who've never owned an EV.....
@@Brian-om2hhContactless is another area of concern. Authentication using a PIN is a necessity as authorisation is increasingly required against fraud. Chargers have a screen! I once got asked for authentication on an Instavolt with a touchpad screen. SadlyInstavolt have become too expensive unless out of necessity.
Original PHEVs like Range Rovers or Cayennes were designed to be a financial/tax/emission fraud. We finally can buy PHEVs with a range that actually allows you to do something more than school run on pure EV. and now it makes sense to buy PHEV especially if you can't buy EV. I don't blame anyone for downgrading their CP to avoid the regulation. Any deadline in regulation should be at least a year ahead not a month.
@@davetakesiton My bad, I spot 'updated October 2024'. but yes, November 2023 ;) how you can expect that companies will change hundreds of charging points that may costs dozen of thousands (and works well) during that time? I am also almost sure that some contracts are signed years ahead. Yes..this will be a mess.
@@michalklucz6907 - They don't need to change the charger points themselves. The payment industry has had solutions for this for a while (years), as the original regulation dates back to 2020 but was dropped to allow CPOs more time to get their act together (four years should have been sufficient). These payment solutions include independent pedestal based ones that can service a number of charger connection point (the tehthered cable or socket), using software interfaces with the charger (often the big grey box) to facilitate payment. The regulations are in part to address the maintenance and quality issues with chargers to get the CPO's to raise their game (some won't and will simply withdraw from the market, but would likely have done so anyway). Plus seeks to drive up competition by opening up chargers inline with other terminal based payment regulations and by adopting open APIs. Consider Electroverse, here Octopus had to negotiate with individual CPOs to get them to recognise the Electroverse RFID card and provide charge and tariff data so Octopus could bill it's customers for charging sessions (most charging networks have RFID readers). This took a while and some CPOs refused access seeking to keep to their propietary locked in ecosystems. If the current regulations were already in place Octopus wouldn't need to approach each operator in turn, they could simply use the open API to offer a third-party payment system.
@@michalklucz6907 - the original regulation was proposed back in 2020, although some of the proposed regulations was implemented in 2022, the payment and reliability aspects was deferred to 2023 (now 2024) to allow CPOs to get their act together. The payment processing companies have been ready for this for a long time, it's just certain CPOs who've ignored the requirement till it comes into effect. For some CPOs though it's not the payment processing that is the concern it's the reliability, payment roaming and open data sharing that causes them concern as these eat into their business models more. Most of the big CPOs already have this in hand, which is why chargers installed in the last few years had screens and payment terminals, along side APP integration and RFID card readers. For other operators there are payment pedestal solutions available that can support a whole site's charging point from a single terminal.
Yep, I charge at home for 7p per kWh....so that's around 1.5p per mile....cheap as chips...and I don't deliberately poison anyone on my journeys either.
Your condemnation of Hybrid and Plugin Hybrid cars sounds very much like the complaints being levelled by people who want to still have a choice to have an ICE vehicle and not be forced to get an EV. Any of these issues sound familiar, co. car drivers being forced to have cars they don't want, not achieving the claimed mileage range, taking.too long to fully charge, not able to charge at home so reliant upon public chargers and if able to charge at home on driveway having to cope with the weather when connecting and disconnecting the charger. As for the comment about petrol and diesel cars being subsided via the benefits in kind system, I can't understand your argument. True there may be some inequalities between particular cases, but overall the intention is to tax the benefit as if it was actually being included in the monthly salary. The assessment includes the original list price of the vehicle, and is adjusted to charge extra for cars in higher co2 bands. I cannot see any subsidies there.
I live in Letchworth Garden City and have had an EV for around 6 years. I very rarely use rapid chargers because I dont need to now I've retired. I only charge about once a week at home or if somewhere offers free charging and I'm there anyway might as well save the electricity at home (2022 Hyundai Kona EV 64kWh). However there are quite a lot around me, there are 8 at Baldock services (6 Ionity and 2 very old unserviced and not very good ones), there are another 2 about 1 mile north along the A1 and there is a brand new Gridserve (like the one near Norwich) at the Stevenage South Junction with I believe to have around 20 350kWh chargers. So within about 8 miles on the A1 there are around 30 chargers! And that's not counting the many rapid chargers at the 3 Sainsbury supermarkets at Stevenage, Letchworth and Biggleswade all within a couple of minuets of the A1, along with the ones at Baldock and Stevenage Tesco (again only a few minutes from the A1) oh and plus the many small 7kWh chargers dotted around the town. So charging in this area seems to be going swimmingly, at least for now! BTW would be happy to see you if you decided to investigate my little corner of the UK. Maybe you could pop to our local Aldi and investigate their chargers, I have complained to management several times as the bays are not marked they are EV charging bays (or not as of 31/10/24) and there always ICE cars in them so they are unusable despite having an outside parking company monitoring the carpark and issuing fines for overstaying and and bad parking. Id lover to be able to tell you how fast they are but I've never been able to use one in the 5 years Aldi has been open here. Regards Aspie Geek UK - Paul
Sorry I disagree that HEV’s have no pure electric capability - I drove a Hertz rental Toyota Corolla Stationwagon HEV (I had booked a VW ID3! But they were fresh out of any form of EV at Bergen Airport Hertz despite me having booked and paid in full for one 4 months earlier) from Bergen to North Cape and back in 2022 and that certainly had pure electric capability even though it was only 21 miles range it could still drive in pure electric mode. Average mpg over 30 days and 2900 miles worked out at 70mpg uphill and downdale (and those were very very steep at times, also the 70 and 90km/h speed limits most places helped!). I own an MHEV 3.0 ltr diesel powered Defender and that certainly has zero pure electric capability
Pure electric means the power is supplied via electricity directly without involvement of other energy sources (such as fossil-fuels). For HEV, the consideration is the electric capability cannot be independently supplied, such as by being plugged-in, rather via a parasitic load on the fossil-fuel either directly via ICE charging or indirectly via recovery of fossil-fuel energy spent in moving the car.
Stop throwing our money on toxic Asian appliances on wheels and leave our ICE vehicles alone! EV charging currently attracts 5% VAT at home, 20% VAT on public chargers and no fuel duty whatsoever, in striking contrast to fuel duties and taxes that make up well over 55-60% of the UK fuel price. Why don’t people see that these duties are coming to electric charging and even home electricity?! Imagine what that will mean considering that even at the current rate, public charging can exceed the price of running an average petrol car!
Hi Dave. This could explain why Tesla service centre Cardiff, is going back to Tesla only charging, instead to open to all from tomorrow 1st November. I was told this a couple of weeks ago. When charging my Corsa e . I was going to mention this on comments one of your other RUclips videos. (Why non-Tesla supercharging is a game changer) is this going to be the only one ? Keep up the good work 👏
Why the anti-PHEV slant? If I had one, I could plug it in at home overnight in a 3-pin socket and it would probably give me the maximum EV-only range for that vehicle in say 12 hours. Perfect for daily commuting, and if I need to take a long trip I just run it on petrol. Best of both worlds.
Range anxiety my arse, More like they dont want to ride around in a ticking time bomb that might catch fire at any moment! They are getting banned from car parks faster than a elephant falling from a plane!
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Where do you see 8MPG? If you mean v8... 🤣 it's an engine. Just 1 min of browsing... copying is faster 🙂 👇 "A V8 engine often just called a V8 is an internal combustion engine with 8 cylinders. The engine has four cylinders on each side called banks. The two banks form a "V" shaped angle."
@@dchubworldsharenetwork I see "5.7 Litre" and work from there; at that point, "v8" is meaningless. As for 8 mpg, it is based off of my experience with old, large, car engines; and I was being generous at 8 mpg, anything other than a feather foot, and it could easily be 4 mpg.
@@neilsessions9744 - oddly the reason life is being made short is due to emmissions from cars like these; so in essence your point means "you don't mind paying to reduce your own lifespan or those of others". Quite an odd mixf Darwinian and Sociapathic attitudes.
The government investing in green hydrogen? The battle for hydrogen cars has already been comprehensively lost, as back up storage for renewables it is horribly innefficient, for domestic heating forget it. Maybe some heavy plant can use it and also as a feedstock in the chemical industry
The 11 green hydrogen sites covered by the budget are commercial/industrial ones, such as supporting distileries, where heat can be captured to increase efficiency. None are transport or domestic heating/cooking related. That said these 11 sites are a very expensive form of energy storage, with the £2 billion funding supporting just 125MW of storage, in effect supporting capex of £16 million per MWh, and an operating strike price of £241/MWh. This is signficantly higher than that of battery storage, capex at £0.6 million per MWh and strike price of £44/MWh, and is even more expensive than similar long duration flow battery storage. Indeed domestic hydrogen use has effectively been put on hiatus. With only plans to reduce hydrogen over production curtailment (some hydrogen sites have to operate 24/7 regardless of demand) and even there only 1% mix with natural gass will be allowed. Hydrogen growth as a energy vector is both challenging to implement and challenged by cheaper/more effective alternatives.
@@GruffSillyGoat It's basically a box ticking exercise, to get them nearer meeting their Paris Climate Agreement targets, as they're legally obliged to do so. It's clear that hydrogen has no realistic future powering passenger cars, so they need to be seen and heard doing something, and this green hydrogen malarky is it..... Yet another of Ed Millipede's brainwaves.......
Not just Shell but BP are not downgrading there 22 kW fast chargers to 7 kW they are being made redundant. I visited a BP site that has 4 x 22 kW units and found two were broken, so I phoned BP customer service and asked how long are they going to be offline? There answer was we are not going to repair them. I’ve said from day one that big oil should have never been allowed to get anywhere near the charging network.
Under the regulations CPOs will have to have a certain level of reliability, and they will have to report on it so I would expect to see the lesser used, unprofitable chargers being removed as opposed to being left unworking.
I have never owned an EV, and thank goodness have not owned or driven any vehicle since 1982; I have bus stops served in both directions about three minutes walk from my front door, and the buses run every few minutes. The type 2 connector for a.c. Charging is limited to 7 kVA when connected to a 30 A 230 V single phase supply, as would likely be the case for a wall charger in a UK home. I know that officially these things are not chargers, butI cannot remember the correct term for them. However, if connected to a three phase supply they can supply about 20 kVA. Few UK homes have a three phase supply, but this is not the case in some other European countries, and the small, a.c. Only chargers to be found on the streets are probably three phase, but I haven’t checked this. If quoted charging times for a type 2 only vehicle seem optimistic maybe they assume a three phase supply. I recently examined an on street d.c. rapid charger. It was a fairly small unit, with two d.c. cables, one CCS and the other something else, both were rated at 50 kW, but there was also a type 2 a.c. cable which claimed to be able to supply 35 kVA. If this is correct then it would seem that either it is supplying about 50 A, or the mains Voltage is being stepped up. Does anybody know the maximum Voltage and current ratings for type 2 a.c. charging? As I said, thank goodness I don’t drive.
Wow that was a very scaremongering video. As a Tesla car and powerwall owner and a human with a brain we can't bend over backwards to Elon. What happens if we don't vote for his favourite ultra right wing candidate in our next UK election? Will he threaten to turn off all our chargers? So treat Tesla the same as we treat everyone else. Whatever will be will be! The new regulations are useful. Either we have tariff automatically linked from your energy supplier to your car and you plug in automatically and get billed on your tariff with a slight % increase to cover AC charging and a large % increase to cover DC charging linked to charging speed. Or we get one app that can cover every single charger, or we get contactless on every charger. Minimum uptimes are important and im sure the regulations will get spread out to all chargers once each car park is mandated to have a % of spaces with chargers. HS2 is a great much needed capacity increasing project for our railway. The main issue is the Tory politicians messed with it so much that over a quarter of the line in the countryside is now going to be in tunnels. Thus making this one crazy expensive build. What ever route you choose you have to minimise tunnels, as they are super expensive to build in the UK.
Hi Dave perhaps a nice gesture you’re an old military man if you could wear a Poppy . You’re and their service and sacrifice is why you’re allowed to post RUclips videos and we’re allowed to comment on them .Thanks mate good work ❤🇬🇧👍
For "range anxiety" read " averse to change" anxiety,... range is just a smokescreen. When buying your ICE vehicle did you buy it based upon its range?
Given that most petrol cars will easily cover 400 miles on one tank of petrol and refuel then in 6 minutes, range is not a consideration for ICE vehicle buyers.
Why don’t UK governments ever have anyone as sensible as Dave advising policy? Instead they find some unelected loud-mouthed lout with an empty head dictating disastrous policies. This is a critical moment for getting EV policy right.
Absolute nonsense. The National Grid have stated on numerous occasions that there will be no issues. But hey, what do the people who actually run the grid know about running the grid eh? The vast majority of EV owners charge up through the night on off-peak rates, when the demand on the grid is at it's lowest due to most industry shutting down. That's why energy suppliers offer cut price electricity on off-peak tariffs. They *WANT* people to use it when the grid's capacity is at it's greatest, and demand is at it's lowest... Power stations can't be switched off like a light, so they need to create a demand....
@@Brian-om2hh I suggest you drop a line out to CPOs and installers on this one and ask them about the infrastructure issues they face. Yes there is ample capacity on the production side of things but once you get down to the local infrastructure there are potential sites that get discounted for chargers because the local supply side doesn't have capacty and the cost of upgrading the nearest sub-station isn't financially viable. Even at a doemstic level we still have a large number of older homes that have a looped incoming mains which is problematic for the installation of a 7kW home charger; these require National Grid to unloop supplies. In my mind the 'Grid' is more than just the output from power generation, it is the entire infrastructure up to the point at which the customer becomes responsible. Domestic supplies are also likey to need upgrading over time if you think that for an air source heat pump you need a 32A breaker, a 7kW EV charger needs 40A, add another 32A for a cooker circuit and you're already over the 100A incoming mains breaker and that's without your normal power/lighting and a shower circuit. So again, the infrastructure will need some upgrading.
Yes I am happy that they get subsidies to drive petrol guzzling cars. They pay fuel tax so it comes back, one hundred fold fold. If I gave you ten pounds and you gave me one pound a week for a year, you would come out on top.
@keithdenton8386 🤣😂🤣😂 delusional. Lie down at the tailpipe of your car with the engine running for an hour....then report back to this comment about your healthy experience.....if you are still alive. I'll check back here in an hour (22:28) for your verdict.
@@hansj5846 Having a dedicated parking spot doesnt mean that you are able to charge at home. Our building of 6 apartments has six dedicated parking spaces but there is no power in the parking araea and no way of running power to the car park without very expensive ground works to lay in power cables. The car park is too far from the building to run a 13 amp power cable to the vehicles.
Us motorists need to get together in our millions head to London and stay bring food etc we do not want these cars and we will not be forced to buy them we will not pay for expensive charging those who have no off street parking a drive at motorway speed battery depletes fast especially with 4 passengers add cold weather lights heating half your range gone which electric company is going to install these fast chargers nation wide let alone for trucks my car range 860 miles 1.6 Hdi engine £62 no worries about refuelling We have to fight people otherwise we are all fucked
Lots of inaccuracies and misinformation in that post Robbie.... "Electric companies" (I think you meant energy suppliers?) don't normally install EV chargers. Private enterprise does. They recoup the cost by charging people to use them. There are already 60'000 public charging connections in the UK, with a further 1000 or so per Month being installed.... There are an estimated 450'000 privately owned home EV chargers...
@@GruffSillyGoat I know. I just find it hilarious when people have something important to say and choose to present it like a rabid looney. It's the language of a conspiracy theorist.
Dave, just stop being a jerk, EVs, their range anxiety and their charging is a joke. Plus any owner should be added to the list for prosecution for crimes with humanity
Just out of interest, how many different chargers have you actually used? And who do you suggest ought to be prosecuted for causing the ever increasing pollution at street level in our towns and cities?
@@Thetyrerepairer I wouldn't say I have range anxiety but I do find that longer trips require a bit more forward planning than they would for ICE; even down to the fact that not all motorway services are provisioned equally at the moment. The reliability requirements under the new regulations should hopefully mean that the chargers listed in your app of choice have a good chance of being operational but at the same time I suspect that some of the unprofitable chargers will be removed rather than repaired when they break down so that they don't get reported in the reliability stats.
I parked next to Llandudno train station last weekend - £4.50 for 24 hours parking. EV charging 34p per kWh plus 20p connection fee.
On the topic of prices, Genie Point have today increased prices to 83p 🤑. They obviously didn't get your memo about Tesla! How on earth can 83p be justified for only a 60kW charger.
Geniepoint have just removed the only possible reason to use their few chargers that actually work!
Speed is unimportant, price is. Wholesale electricity bounces around at £0.06 per KwH. Quite a margin there. They rely on companies giving cards to their employees limited to one supplier. Also company vans etc. are also tied to them. Guaranteed price insensitive income.
Geniepoint are terrible, my local chargepoint cuts out after a few mins and doesn't have a contactless terminal, will be interesting to see what they do after the November deadline. They might just shut it down rather than fit a contactless terminal.
Brother had a Mitsubishi thing. Averaged about 30mpg if I remember , still got a massive company car tax reduction for a car that was worse than average. Politicians setting policy when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Great one Dave, pointing out the PHEV downsides and lack of actual charging being undertaken is crazy.
Congrats on a over 3 million views and 12,200 subscribers. Glad to have been an early supporter!
My son lives 1.9 miles from the Tottenham Tesla Centre and 200 miles from me. It makes visiting him a no brainer charge at home and charge to full at the Tesla centre. Went to see him last weekend and there was a notice at the Tesla Centre saying as of 15th October they were no longer Open to all. I am now praying that the 4 supercharger locations at Reading stay open to all.
How do you travel the 1.9 miles?
My dads Golf GTE came with a granny charger and a Type 2 cable. He used the granny charger at home in the garage for a while before getting a dedicated 16A wallbox mounted.
Driving a PHEV without home charging is pointless. You're just transporting dead weight with an almost empty battery. It can't be good for the battery to sit at 5-10% all the time as well. For most batteries the ideal is 40-60% long term.
This is also a problem when buying one second hand. Most if not all PHEVs have no dedicated counter for the distance driven electric vs on petrol. So you have no idea how the previous owner treated the car. If the previous owner never charged it then the battery degradation is going to be quite high. And with an already small battery this is really bad for a PHEV.
@@Gazer75 hang on, if a PHEV is driven primarily on fuel then the battery gets little usage, and so remains in good condition. If charged every day then the battery gets a lot of use.
@@G6EJD But leaving a battery at to low or to high SOC is also bad.
Did you have to charge Granny in the garriage?
@@G6EJDa battery that is little used is a lot of weight to be carrying around. I charged mine at work and conserved 20% of the battery for the commute the next morning. I think the battery degraded from 7.1 kWh down to 6.7 over time
@@G6EJD PHEV batteries are charged up and down all the time as the car is driven whether externally charged or not
My main concern with the charging regs is that some of the older 50kW or so installations aren't going to get contactless installed. They'll just be switched off and that'll be that.
The government should have headed up a scheme or company to get contactless payment units retrofitted to all affected units for an at-cost or near at-cost price.
There can't be that many variations in charge point set ups - i.e. companies that manufacture them, so developing an add on unit should be quick. Do like Gridserve do and have a lab to test things out.
@@terryjimfletcher - there are multiple companies offering charger payment retrofit devices, some on charger some via standalone pedestal systems that have been available for a fair while (years). It's certain CPO's who have left it to the last moment, as this regulation has been on the cards since before 2020, but has been delayed a few times to allow the CPOs to take action.
Some of the CPO's have chosen to ignore it to try to keep to their closed Apps/RFID based systems to milk the sites, many of these sites are also the ones with low maintenance and reliability - in effect they were always going to become defunct as that was the operators model.
What certain operators are worried about is not the card paying element but the open data and reliability mandates of the regulations, as this erodes their locked-in business models and imposes a higher operational cost than they ever planned to implement.
Here in Australia the chargers are sitting around waiting to be connected to electricity grids that simply don’t exist in some locations
You need a company like Gridserve here in the UK that was primarily created to "help the grid out"
They deployed grid-level batteries that could then discharge high current for applications such as these charge points - whenever they need them. Of course most larger charge point sites have batteries deployed for exactly this reason, plus the electricity they recharge with is cheap overnight electricity - a win-win.
@ unfortunately in regional Australia never had grids built to handle fast DC charging. So the transmission lines just don’t have the capacity. Even with new renewables coming online in many locations the transmission capacity is not available
I have an EV9, you can film it charging at 220kw+ from 5% to 80% if you like.
You are a Lucky Human!
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck I am very pleasantly surprised with it!
I drove a BMW 330e for four years before changing to Tesla M3 RWD in July. In electric mode the top speed before changing to petrol (according to the speedo) is 85 mph. In Hybrid 65 mph. A hack: If you press the Battery control button whilst driving on petrol the battery will charge as you drive along. I found 40 miles on petrol gave me 80% charge (20 miles). Therefore on long journeys I could get 80 miles electric. When I handed the car back to the lease company I had 52,000 total miles on the clock, of which 21,000 was electric miles.
Hi Dave
I fully except your theory that many company PHEV drivers do not bother to charge....personally I ran a lovely Volvo V90 T6 for 30k miles in one year-charged it (cheaply at home) every night on a 3 pin and averaged 125mpg.....the electric part of it convinced me to buy a full EV!!!!!
you got there in the end
I guess that the quoted charging time is based on using 3 phase AC.
This.
I believe that MG will open a facility in the UK within 2 years - with a lot of money from the UK government. Their London-based design studio is seen as highly successful.
Thanks, but I'll stick with my 12 year old 162000 mile focus.
Let’s hope it sticks with you!
poor you... 😥
And you'll continue belching out lung irritating, asthma inducing NOx, unburnt carcinogenic hydrocarbons etc etc. If you can, try an electric car out if you have a driveway, especially if you have 2 cars. We were in that (legacy) situation of 2 cars - we tried swapping 1 car for an EV, and we quickly "adjusted" to being able to charge overnight (10 seconds plugging in, 20 seconds unplugging). We're now fossil fuel free for transport.
@terryjimfletcher, you never fly then? I find people very irritating and selfish these people who fly filling my lungs with harmful chemicals, not just ice vehicles what pollute you know. PS I have an Ev which I bought for me not to virtue signal.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneckusual EV snobbery
How very British to have solar and wind farms built, but be unable to use them because the grid is virtually Victorian.
In other news, I have a garage full of gasoline and in a few years I plan to buy a car.
We really can't trust the government to have a clue how to get anything done right, can we?
Complete rubbish - the UK was one of the first countries to modernise it's grid in the 1960s onwards creating a country wide supergrid network. The upgrades happening now are relatively low scale dealling with issues of the past such as addressing congestion points, extending the network to areas previously poorly served and connecting up the coast for offshore renewables. The grid itself was designed to support 80GW transmission capability at it's peak in 2005/6 but nowdays, mainly due to efficiency gains, only operates at 20 to 30GW (with peaks of 40GW on some winter days).
The solar/wind farm (onshore mainly)/charging site connection issues are less to do with the grid are more about local planning and provisioning via the Delivery Network Operators. The log jam is more buearcratic than capacity related as demand has grown significantly; an issue that is being addressed with more funding now being made available and the ramp up of resources to manage requests. The number of sites with capacity issues is relatively small, and often related to the issues of the past being poorly served areas with substations and grid connections.
You need to be mindful of that gasoline, particularly if seeking to buy a car to use it in a few years, it has a shelf life and will gellify well before then and so become useless.
@@GruffSillyGoat Plus, if ever there was a fire at his home, and his insurance company discovered he was storing that much petrol in a garage, I doubt they'd pay out on any claim...... And yes, if it's been there more than a few Months without any fuel stabiliser in it, it'll be borderline unusable.....
@@GruffSillyGoat Obviously I was joking, the grid is not actually Victorian, but to be serious, a well-managed project gets this stuff done in parallel.
No point in having a wind or solar farm ready to produce but can't be connected to the grid, whether that's hardware or software or paperwork. It's just wasteful. The stories I'm reading from the National Grid website and various other sources including the BBC suggest this was implemented in a less than ideal manner.
The gasoline is no longer a problem now my garage has burned down.
@@ziploc2000 It was 90% paperwork - or more properly the policy /regulation of "First come First connected" even if the "First comers" weren't actually ready to connect!!! i.e. they hogged the capacity - classic "dog in a manger". Utter madness - which has now been/being sorted.
My friend had a BMW PHEV and never plugged it in. She only had it for about a month and then one day the battery started smouldering and the fire brigade had to come so it appears that they dont like not being charged at all
For a PHEV to be of any practical use you still need a home charge point.
and certainly for financial sense, 70 p/kwh or more is not uncommon at commercial chargers.
Yes but a PHEV is one of the most efficient ICE vehicles around because it can recuperate energy used to accelerate the vehicle - ie it can use the battery to slow the vehicle down.
@@G6EJD that's true, but it doesn't offset the extra purchase cost in my experience. at least not before the end of warranty.
@@cuoresportivo155 The public charge network in some of my area is priced at 45p per kwh if you use one of the three subscription rates they offer....
@@G6EJDA self-charging hybrid makes some sense storing surplus energy to release it when required. A PHEV doesn't since the battery isn't large enough to give range, and you're just lugging round an unnecessary heavy load in ICE mode.
My view of local government is no idea about EVs also
Who pays for your company PHEV fuel? If petrol goes on a company card, but home electricity is paid by the employee... Well, then obviously why would the employee bother?
My neighbour has a mini phev he always charges his overnight , he now has had a battery failure and has been told that a new battery will cost between £5000 and £8000,
He has said he will never get another electric car...this summarises phev problems.
I have a 39KW leaf just over 2 years old and have driven 40000 miles, best purchase I have every made
Ouch
Yes Crossrail (the Elizabeth Line) has been open for a while now. I’ve used it many times
I nearly bought a PHEV but the limitations put me off. The petrol consumption increase, from carrying the heavy battery, were a lot hence long journeys were not brilliant cost. So where was the benefit for private owners.
The finally kicker was the Road Tax. PHEVs then were all over the £40k "luxury car" tax hence also cost an additional £350 per year tax on top of the actual car tax - so about £600 a year more than BEV; which at the time was exempt. Now the crazy plan is to bring BEV under the "luxury tax" rule in April25 and before anyone starts shouting it was Hunt under Conservatives that did it. It is going to put a huge stop on BEV sales for cars over the £40k.
Happy to pay some road tax but do think the extra hit on top should be pushed out to a more realistic £50k for BEV
So trying to persuade wife to give up petrol and move to BEV before the April deadline .....
A standard british sockets is not designed to be used at it's maximum rating for any significant period of time.
It is, just not recommended. BTW a socket is "rated" at 20A and when used by a granny charger draws 10A, so no problem. Like anything used for longer periods of time, it will wear out quicker tho.
@MikeGleesonazelectrics no it isn't. The type test at 14A for 4 or 8 hours only achieves thermal stability - as soon as a socket ages or gets grubby you will see overheating. Even appliance ratings reflect this.
@Swwils says who? its in BS 7671. In any case, a constant 10A is OK then..
@@MikeGleesonazelectrics it was never designed for it's rated load for extender peroids. 7671 is not the same as the type testing and design for the actual plugs and sockets.
It was partially addressed in the 2018 amendment allowing specifically designed sockets to be marked "EV" but this only included additional cyclic testing and has not re-rated anything.
Any common sense would show you that a standard UK socket is not going to last any kind of useful service life with 10A + loads for multiple hours, especially as it ages and the contact become dirty.
@@Swwils So, replace it every few years for peanuts.
I don’t understand the problem Dave, you are always stating the average commute is only 16 miles per day and the car is just sat on your driveway for 90% of the time.
If that's true, then people should buy a 20 year old Yaris and an AA membership.
Hi Dave , very informative video.
On the subject of cost per kWh Tesla vs the rest. I’m currently in Spain, whilst charging at an INOITY charger I noticed a large bank of V4 Superchargers close by, shame I would like have tried the Superchargers. So I checked their cost. It was, according to Tesla, peak time though none of the chargers were in use the cost was €0.60/kWh. This is on par with IONITY through Electroverse and more expensive than others operators. Another example that we pay too much in the UK.
Would have been nice if you’d talked about the regulations that will apply all CPOs regarding reliability levels and data availability and not just focused on the effect on Tesla’s network.
This man is just a Tesla fanboy. It gets rather irritating.
Try a Tesla you would be too
@@Yeadon65 Particularly the payment problems, including contactless. The reasons why charging can be authorised (there's a pre-auth), but failure to charge. Particularly for a low 99% reliability will be monitored. You could also investigate what software monitoring is included with chargers and why we can't have better information from it (like peak usage times for that venue). Google know by phones connected at location; why don't EV chargers do better.
@@rogerphelps9939 Probably. But Tesla chargers are better in many ways than the others. I wouldn't say that about the cars, although good features.
Could be apocryphal, but I've read of PHEV cars going to auction at end of lease with the charging cables unopened.
In fairness, I've got an EV and haven't opened the charge cables that came with it.
Not only apocryphal it's a pointless statement as it doesn't demonstrate anything - owned a PHEV in the past and now a BEV and I've never opened the cables as used the tethered cable both at home and on chargers when out and about.
Still a lot of anti-EV channels put a lot of import on this statement as if it has significant meaning for them, without realising it just demonstrates their lack of knowledge and understanding.
@@GruffSillyGoat Its certainly true for the majority of the plug in hybrid cars that my company provided to our engineers a few years ago. The range was only around 20 miles on a charge but it took hours to charge the caar so the drivers never bothered. With an average mileage of 40,000 per year they just wanted to drive and get to the job or home.
@@Kevin-dp1vy - most companies in the past for high mileage usage tended to buy HEVs as these higher MPG compared to a PHEV outweighed the company car tax advantage. These days with PHEVs offering up to 90 miles (more for series types / EREVs supporting DC charging) provides a middle ground. But with the budget's disincentive of PHEVs and what with BEVs offering 300+ miles it seems the government intends to push BEVs more.
@@Kevin-dp1vy So they could not charge while sleeping? Like may EV owners do?.
PHEV’s are not that expensive to use, a gallon of fuel costs £6.08 (£1.329/litre) which buys 21kWh at the cap-rate and an an average of 3-miles per kWh yields a consumption equivalent of 63mpg so much cheaper to charge at home than to buy fuel. On a low rate tariff the savings are huge.
I'm on an older EV driver tariff that's 5.5p per kWh from midnight to 5am in that time I can put around 35kW into my battery to top it, so to top up my 64kWh battery in that 5 hours it literally costs me £1.90 for about half my battery which is realistic range of 130 miles on that which is around 1.5 pence per mile. I cant be bothered to convert that to equivalent MPG lol. Oh if you want to work that out I'm averaging 4.2 miles per kWh in my 2022 Hyundai Kona 64kWh full EV
@ 848mpg equivalent
@G6EJD I was only tongue in cheek but really couldn't be bothered to work it out so thanks, I appreciate it and am amazed it's that high! BTW, I notice your name and do I take it you are also a amateur radio operator? If so, maybe we will meet on the for one day.
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There are EV chargers in the car park where I work. I’ve never seen a PHEV plugged into one yet apart from the one I had. When I had my 2017 Golf GTE I didn’t get much electric only range but I got 65.4 mpg last winter with temperatures as low as minus 7.5
Are they talking about using a 3ph type 2 like you often get at industrial sites? That may well be 11kw ergo 2 ish hours. I don’t know the car tbh though
Many homes in Europe use 3-phase, including Germany, home of BMW. My wallbox is 11kW at 16Amp 3-phase. It stands to reason the car can support that and the handbook quotes charging speed for that.
I believe the new government since coming to power have changed the "first come, first served" connection policy to "first ready, first connected"
You had to mention HS2...my blood boils. We in the North had to listen to the Tory ministers in the media tell us that it was to aid "Levelling Up". Yea, right. _that's_ why construction started in London then is it? It was obvious all along it was meant to expand the commuter belt out. Sorry for the rant, another good, informative video.
I cannot charge at home but I am content with going to EA or EVGO
Of course I don't drive much
The Tesla commentary misses the simple avoidance method for non-Tesla drivers - Tesla membership. Use of the Tesla app, reduces the cost of charging and is easily used. Of course, company car drivers will generally not be bothered with this and will only use the 'company card' - thus excluding Tesla.
The issue is that the regs state it has to have rfid, regardless if theres an app or not
@@Grumpydadwithtech - regs state a wireless payment terminal and screen for displaying prices - these don't have to be on the charger points the screen and payment terminal could be on a pedestal serving multiple charger points; this applies even if the charging point already has an RFID card reader (as this may not be compatible with wireless payment).
In effect this brings EV chargers into payment processing regulations, such as that which already apply to fossil-fuel pumps, as the payment devices have to meet certain secure transaction standards (whether by bank card, apple/google pay, automaker specific card or a electricity bill payment based scheme such as Electroverse).
Although some people like apps or charger specific RFID schemes, to be more universally accessible adopting standard payment processes opens up the chargers.
Most modern hybrid cars are now ulez compliant, and I think that is why people buy them.... They avoid the congestion and pollution charges, yet drive purely on petrol or diesel anyway....
Why would they buy a more expensive hybrid for ULEZ reason, when petrol/diesel cars also offer Euro 4 or 6 ULEZ compliance? Also, as ULEZ rules are due to tighten over the years up to 2035 both ICE cars of all types (hybrids or otherwise) will fall outside of the current exemptions.
Government ( all colours) legislation and unintended consequences are synonymous.
Things could have been a lot worse for EV take-up in the recent budget. I was half expecting Reeves to start reducing/removing the tax incentives on EV as this is a policy that largely benefits better off people and would have been an easier sell to their traditional voter base.
Hi great video, do the new regulations only apply to chargers fitted after the 24th? I imagine it could be very expensive to retro fit them or even add a external unit.
It applies to new chargers over 8kW but all chargers over 50kW. It talks about proprietary networks having a year from opening up to the general public to update to contactless.
Thanks for the info
The V2 chargers near Portsmouth are being closed to non Tesla from 21st November. I was told by an engineer servicing them. Also I see GRIDSERVE is now 5% off
Whoopee 5%!
@ my thoughts exactly lol
The Havant near Portsmouth Supercharger was charging up to 90p per kWh so not really a loss. It’s only 47p with membership though!
The CPO regulations allow for operators of propietary networks to meet guidelines within a time period. Allowingup to one year after the site becomes open to all to meet the contactless payment requirements. This doesn't not require the individual chargers to be modified as stand alone pedastal solutions are available that could integrated via APIs to the Tesla charger network. Similarly, those sites requiring registration of parking, such as hotels, can integrate payment solution into their parking reservation terminals.
However, for Tesla their concern may be more regarding the opening up of data via an industry standard API as this would allow third-parties to access their site and rates data (such as Zapmap) increasing competition as this could lead to dynamic pricing by competitors (which is a good thing for the consumer).
Have to say this government like others talk up a greener future but fail miserably to make it happen. These types of policies along with recent VED changes will not encourage people to greener vehicles. With no government push with the energy sector they too are not making the process easier or cheaper for EV or green technology
Hi Dave, will the regulations affect Scotland? I am hoping that I don't lose access to the Tesla chargers open to all in Perth!
I'll try to find out
It's UK wide - the guidelines are quite easy to find. Also I'm not sure what this talk about a "waiver for Tesla" is all about. Why would there be a waiver when the regulations didn't exist prior to November 2023 and there's a year's grace for enforcement of the regulations for the existing charge points of all CPOs (no specific "waiver for Tesla"): www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance/public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance
PHEVs for business use don't make much sense. The driver will get a fuel card which their employer pays for, but if they charge it at home how do they get their employer to pay for the energy? It's an awful lot of hassle to claim this back through expenses, so it's unsurprising that a PHEV company car is never charged.
Could companies get something like an Octopus Electroverse card to pay for their company EV car public charging?
@@stephenbagwell8275 For sure, but most PHEVs can't be DC fast-charged, so not a lot of point unless you're stopping overnight at a hotel.
But people like Dave and all the EV evangelists tell us charging at home is "peanuts" so why would an employee care if they were using their own "peanuts"?
h wait, it isn't "peanuts" after all...
@ workplace chargers could be cheaper and company EV Charging cards could get discounts at Instavolt etc
If you do have a driveway, you would be mad not to buy an EV. They cost virtually nothing to run. My daughter has an ev and now never pays anything for fuel. Her office has free chargers.😮
They aren't free, and the tax man would treat this as a benefit in kind!
You know that cars cost money to buy, right? They don't give them away for free.
the negative commenters prove that they are mad - in EVery (non)sense of the word
@@applanateearth586 It's not BIK, just like free parking isn't BIK, free charging is free, just like a subsidised canteen isn't BIK.
@@MarkHewitt1978 LOL he never said that that the CAR was free, he said, FOR HIS DAUGHTER, that the car cost virtually nothing to run seeing as her employer gave out FREE ELECTRIC to recharge it.
Mark Rozee only wrote 38 words and you ignored the important 5.
Nothing you've said about PHEV applies to me. I'm so sad to see EV drivers hating PHEV more than diesel. My average MPG (UK) over 100.000 km is 94. About 60% of the distance is made on pure EV. As for why I didn't get a pure EV since I can charge it at home, I already explained you that there are those periods of the year called weekends and places where I go that don't have charging points, because the whole point to go there is that they are remote places. Yes, PHEV offer the best of both worlds, if you know how to use it. PS mine has also DC charging.
What phev do you have?
Seems you are one of the very few that actually charge your PHEV which begs the question why you didn't buy a full EV.
A PHEV is the worst of both worlds, high maintenance cost and slow charging, it is the favorite car if you ask the service centers.
A reasonable EV can drive 250 miles on a full battery and with that kind of range you can really get to really remote locations and back again with a little planning and can be topped up in less time to visit the bathroom and buy some refreshments.
Most people I know who have a PHEV think it is a very nice car until they have the car serviced
@David-bl1bt Outlander, since 2014.
@@casperhansen826 I already answered why I didn't buy an EV, getting tired of repeating it.
hybrids are a fine stopgap. They will go away eventually, so they serve a useful purpose for the nonce..
Those blue Aldi chargers take contactless though
Politicians are easy targets to blame. However it is almost always Civil Servants who are behind each and every catastrophe. Norway negotiated 66% of the profits from their North Sea Oil to stay in Norway. They did not waste the money but have a huge pension fund for each and every Norwegian. The UK has what left? The charging plans would have been drawn up by civil servants who studied Greek at Uni and have zero knowledge about anything to do with electricity. They also tend to be proud of knowing nothing.
Given the option of being an MP in the last six years of my working life I would have said NO! The pay would have been lower than my current salary and I would have been on the receiving end of vitriolic and snide remarks. Nobody with the skills and experience to make a good politician would ever dream of becoming one. Too much crap and that hurts us all.
You do realise it was the Thatcher government that decided to adopt a freemarket rather than state wealth approach for UK oil and gas, whereas the Norwegian government decided the state approach was best for their people; i.e. it was an idealogical decision not an economic one. Civil servants don't act or make decisions on their own they are instructed by ministers to produced plans and options, often with very skewed guidelines designed to limit options or promote a specific outcome. It's then the ministers who decide which ones to present to parliment in line with the government of the day agenda for parliment to vote upon.
Blaming civil servants for the UK's decision not to create a soverign wealth fund using oil and gas revenues is like blaming the cleaner on board an oil rig for a 10,000 barrel oil spill because then couldn't mop it up quick enough.
so BMW are fiddling their figures? i'm shocked, shocked i say...ok not that shocked. ill stick with my little Corsa-E and charge at home for around 2 to 2.5 pounds a week going back and forth to work :-)
There's no indication the regulations are retrospective.
I have had a 2018 330e, only good thing was BIK !It did 17 miles on a charge, charged every day, 13 miles by end of 3 year lease.Now have a Rav 4plug in, type 2 charger full charge 2.5 hours 43 miles on my mates wallbox,not sure why the BMW took so long.
On a granny charge says 8 hours but took about 7 to get 42 miles,£2.11 per gallon is my cost on electric .Car does 43mpg on petrol alone, early days but am I mistaken about the 2.5 hour charge speed?
I left it there for 4 hours but it came up on display as 2.5 hours and 8 on granny charger?
With all this air born pollution pumping out of internal combustion engines how come the WHA are saying human life on earth has has improved and less people are dying before their 80 plus?
Rameses II died at age 90 3,500 years ago. That was a while back
People are taking more pills from better qualified medics.
Chargers with screens and terminals are just so 20th Century*, and I'm sure they will fade away, and probably fairly soon. But in the meantime, as said in this video, it's necessary to not cause hardship to those who are not set up for those slicker arrangements.
*In spirit, that is. I realize there were no fast chargers for public use until after 2000, but there were gas pumps with screens and terminals.
I think tesla chargers will be fine. They will keep the waver for historic chargers, and probably when they need replacing/repairing the older ones will get replaced whatever the latest gen is at that time.
It makes no sesne for the gov to block use of them. Then again, its our gov we are talking about.
Yeah. It's our government and I suppose, potentially, Musk. No fears then.
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Love my ev, charge at home for free, happy days
The contactless payment upgrade only affects NEW chargers above 8kW and old ones of 50kW and above, so the existing 22kW Aldi chargers shouldn't be affected.
22kW is already pathetic of course, should be at least 150kW or better 350kW, so those faster charging vehicles can benefit from them.
But if the UK Government wants more access to slower chargers, so be it. This won't help with EV adoption.
Remember up to 22kw is for ac destination charge points not dc ccs, massively cheaper to install and very useful for cars that can support the three phase 22kw on board charger. DC chargers from 50kw are for a quick top up not for parking.
Contactless also has massive problems since many users don't realise there's a limit on taps and total amount, so they turn up and then, shock, horror, their payment is declined but there's no means of authentication (I did use authentication once on Instavolt). The biggest problem is enabling the charger given payment approved (contactless, RFID or app). Far too many with pre-auths, which they don't understand. Reliability needs increasing above that low 99%. Tesla has been by far the best offering for price and their app, which shows some design rather than some kiddy abomination.
22kW is absolutely brilliant if you are leaving your car for an hour. you can probably buy five of ten 22kW chargers for a price of single 200kW.
@michalklucz6907 Maybe I'm misunderstanding how fast this is, we don't have these inthe USA, I see nothing between 8kW and 50 around my area.
@@ziploc2000 because they are considered as destination chargers, which means you don't 'wait for the charge' you charge, BUT you are doing something else. the great example are malls. you are going to watch a movie. 2,5h long movie. you are on time (no adds, trailers) and you connect your car to 200kW supercharger. Would you leave the cinema after 20 minutes just to move your car and avoid blocking the charging spot? with 11/22kW chargers it's much easier, you are having a family dinner, shopping, watching a movie, and when you are back after two hours your car is 80-90% charged. These are not for people in the middle of 2k miles trip who needs a charging in 20 minutes to keep driving. they are for the people who charge at work and switch places during the lunch time. But they are super cheap compared to ultrachargers, that's why you can have economy of scale
Where's the cash slot on electric chargers? Tyre wear pollution?
Almost all recently installed chargers will offer a contactless payment facility. Even your local petrol station will cease taking cash before too long.... Loaded trucks and vans have had excessive tyre wear for decades, so why the sudden concern now? The front tyres on my Kia EV lasted 27k miles before I replaced them, so pretty much normal wear.. Try not to believe the nonsense you see in the press - especially regarding EV batteries and tyres - written by people who've never owned an EV.....
@@Brian-om2hhContactless is another area of concern. Authentication using a PIN is a necessity as authorisation is increasingly required against fraud. Chargers have a screen! I once got asked for authentication on an Instavolt with a touchpad screen. SadlyInstavolt have become too expensive unless out of necessity.
Original PHEVs like Range Rovers or Cayennes were designed to be a financial/tax/emission fraud. We finally can buy PHEVs with a range that actually allows you to do something more than school run on pure EV. and now it makes sense to buy PHEV especially if you can't buy EV.
I don't blame anyone for downgrading their CP to avoid the regulation. Any deadline in regulation should be at least a year ahead not a month.
But this regulation is 2023
@@davetakesiton My bad, I spot 'updated October 2024'. but yes, November 2023 ;) how you can expect that companies will change hundreds of charging points that may costs dozen of thousands (and works well) during that time? I am also almost sure that some contracts are signed years ahead. Yes..this will be a mess.
@@michalklucz6907 - They don't need to change the charger points themselves. The payment industry has had solutions for this for a while (years), as the original regulation dates back to 2020 but was dropped to allow CPOs more time to get their act together (four years should have been sufficient). These payment solutions include independent pedestal based ones that can service a number of charger connection point (the tehthered cable or socket), using software interfaces with the charger (often the big grey box) to facilitate payment.
The regulations are in part to address the maintenance and quality issues with chargers to get the CPO's to raise their game (some won't and will simply withdraw from the market, but would likely have done so anyway). Plus seeks to drive up competition by opening up chargers inline with other terminal based payment regulations and by adopting open APIs.
Consider Electroverse, here Octopus had to negotiate with individual CPOs to get them to recognise the Electroverse RFID card and provide charge and tariff data so Octopus could bill it's customers for charging sessions (most charging networks have RFID readers). This took a while and some CPOs refused access seeking to keep to their propietary locked in ecosystems. If the current regulations were already in place Octopus wouldn't need to approach each operator in turn, they could simply use the open API to offer a third-party payment system.
@@michalklucz6907 - the original regulation was proposed back in 2020, although some of the proposed regulations was implemented in 2022, the payment and reliability aspects was deferred to 2023 (now 2024) to allow CPOs to get their act together. The payment processing companies have been ready for this for a long time, it's just certain CPOs who've ignored the requirement till it comes into effect. For some CPOs though it's not the payment processing that is the concern it's the reliability, payment roaming and open data sharing that causes them concern as these eat into their business models more.
Most of the big CPOs already have this in hand, which is why chargers installed in the last few years had screens and payment terminals, along side APP integration and RFID card readers. For other operators there are payment pedestal solutions available that can support a whole site's charging point from a single terminal.
I just charge at home for 8.5p kWh .
Me too or at least 95% over the past year.
Yep, I charge at home for 7p per kWh....so that's around 1.5p per mile....cheap as chips...and I don't deliberately poison anyone on my journeys either.
@ Mine is Octopus Go tariff , I live in the southwest which is quite expensive for electricity compared to more northern places .
“I know of no type 2 plug that can DC rapid charge”
Check your Tesla Dave.
Please remind people that this was all under 14 years of a CONSERVATIVE GOVERMENT. And I'm a tory with a small c
Your condemnation of Hybrid and Plugin Hybrid cars sounds very much like the complaints being levelled by people who want to still have a choice to have an ICE vehicle and not be forced to get an EV. Any of these issues sound familiar, co. car drivers being forced to have cars they don't want, not achieving the claimed mileage range, taking.too long to fully charge, not able to charge at home so reliant upon public chargers and if able to charge at home on driveway having to cope with the weather when connecting and disconnecting the charger. As for the comment about petrol and diesel cars being subsided via the benefits in kind system, I can't understand your argument. True there may be some inequalities between particular cases, but overall the intention is to tax the benefit as if it was actually being included in the monthly salary. The assessment includes the original list price of the vehicle, and is adjusted to charge extra for cars in higher co2 bands. I cannot see any subsidies there.
I live in Letchworth Garden City and have had an EV for around 6 years. I very rarely use rapid chargers because I dont need to now I've retired. I only charge about once a week at home or if somewhere offers free charging and I'm there anyway might as well save the electricity at home (2022 Hyundai Kona EV 64kWh). However there are quite a lot around me, there are 8 at Baldock services (6 Ionity and 2 very old unserviced and not very good ones), there are another 2 about 1 mile north along the A1 and there is a brand new Gridserve (like the one near Norwich) at the Stevenage South Junction with I believe to have around 20 350kWh chargers. So within about 8 miles on the A1 there are around 30 chargers! And that's not counting the many rapid chargers at the 3 Sainsbury supermarkets at Stevenage, Letchworth and Biggleswade all within a couple of minuets of the A1, along with the ones at Baldock and Stevenage Tesco (again only a few minutes from the A1) oh and plus the many small 7kWh chargers dotted around the town. So charging in this area seems to be going swimmingly, at least for now!
BTW would be happy to see you if you decided to investigate my little corner of the UK. Maybe you could pop to our local Aldi and investigate their chargers, I have complained to management several times as the bays are not marked they are EV charging bays (or not as of 31/10/24) and there always ICE cars in them so they are unusable despite having an outside parking company monitoring the carpark and issuing fines for overstaying and and bad parking. Id lover to be able to tell you how fast they are but I've never been able to use one in the 5 years Aldi has been open here.
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Aspie Geek UK - Paul
Sorry I disagree that HEV’s have no pure electric capability - I drove a Hertz rental Toyota Corolla Stationwagon HEV (I had booked a VW ID3! But they were fresh out of any form of EV at Bergen Airport Hertz despite me having booked and paid in full for one 4 months earlier) from Bergen to North Cape and back in 2022 and that certainly had pure electric capability even though it was only 21 miles range it could still drive in pure electric mode. Average mpg over 30 days and 2900 miles worked out at 70mpg uphill and downdale (and those were very very steep at times, also the 70 and 90km/h speed limits most places helped!). I own an MHEV 3.0 ltr diesel powered Defender and that certainly has zero pure electric capability
Pure electric means the power is supplied via electricity directly without involvement of other energy sources (such as fossil-fuels). For HEV, the consideration is the electric capability cannot be independently supplied, such as by being plugged-in, rather via a parasitic load on the fossil-fuel either directly via ICE charging or indirectly via recovery of fossil-fuel energy spent in moving the car.
Great video
The road to hell is paved with Government good intention
For the flight to Hell, you have to change planes in Bruxelles😡
Stop throwing our money on toxic Asian appliances on wheels and leave our ICE vehicles alone!
EV charging currently attracts 5% VAT at home, 20% VAT on public chargers and no fuel duty whatsoever, in striking contrast to fuel duties and taxes that make up well over 55-60% of the UK fuel price.
Why don’t people see that these duties are coming to electric charging and even home electricity?! Imagine what that will mean considering that even at the current rate, public charging can exceed the price of running an average petrol car!
Hi Dave. This could explain why Tesla service centre Cardiff, is going back to Tesla only charging, instead to open to all from tomorrow 1st November. I was told this a couple of weeks ago. When charging my Corsa e . I was going to mention this on comments one of your other RUclips videos. (Why non-Tesla supercharging is a game changer) is this going to be the only one ? Keep up the good work 👏
Just Level 3 charging. Being Tesla does not make it "super."
It is likely that it’s become too busy for the service centre to function properly. That was the reason given for Tottenham becoming Tesla only agin.
Stevenage open up 35 chargers Gridserv juc 7 has 4 Tesla chargers
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Why the anti-PHEV slant? If I had one, I could plug it in at home overnight in a 3-pin socket and it would probably give me the maximum EV-only range for that vehicle in say 12 hours. Perfect for daily commuting, and if I need to take a long trip I just run it on petrol. Best of both worlds.
A phev as a company car is a huge government oversight. Most people will just use free company petrol.
Very true
Of course they will....why would yhey bother to charge at their home at their expense?
Range anxiety my arse, More like they dont want to ride around in a ticking time bomb that might catch fire at any moment! They are getting banned from car parks faster than a elephant falling from a plane!
Don´t talk such utter shite. ICE vehicles catch fire just as much as EVs.
Have you thought about hiring a better psychotherapist? My revivifier is a terrific psychologist - Doc can help you with those tiny voices in your head💙
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Glad to hear you´re getting help. Hope your "revivifier" is up to it.
@@stephen25uk pull your head out of your ar*e and just look on youtube for EV fires, they even burn down fire stations! bye bye.
Elephants from a plane, that would be never then.
I'll stick to my 55 year old classic 5.7 litre v8 , ultimate recycling,no mot ,no road tax and ulez compliant,win win
8 MPG ?
For the cost of 1 gallon of 95RON, I can drive around 350 miles, so I dont think you are really winning.
Where do you see 8MPG?
If you mean v8... 🤣 it's an engine.
Just 1 min of browsing... copying is faster 🙂
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"A V8 engine often just called a V8 is an internal combustion engine with 8 cylinders. The engine has four cylinders on each side called banks. The two banks form a "V" shaped angle."
@@dchubworldsharenetwork I see "5.7 Litre" and work from there; at that point, "v8" is meaningless.
As for 8 mpg, it is based off of my experience with old, large, car engines; and I was being generous at 8 mpg, anything other than a feather foot, and it could easily be 4 mpg.
@ianemery2925 10 mpg on a good day ,I don't worry about the cost ,life's too short to be a penny pincher
@@neilsessions9744 - oddly the reason life is being made short is due to emmissions from cars like these; so in essence your point means "you don't mind paying to reduce your own lifespan or those of others". Quite an odd mixf Darwinian and Sociapathic attitudes.
The government investing in green hydrogen? The battle for hydrogen cars has already been comprehensively lost, as back up storage for renewables it is horribly innefficient, for domestic heating forget it. Maybe some heavy plant can use it and also as a feedstock in the chemical industry
The 11 green hydrogen sites covered by the budget are commercial/industrial ones, such as supporting distileries, where heat can be captured to increase efficiency. None are transport or domestic heating/cooking related. That said these 11 sites are a very expensive form of energy storage, with the £2 billion funding supporting just 125MW of storage, in effect supporting capex of £16 million per MWh, and an operating strike price of £241/MWh.
This is signficantly higher than that of battery storage, capex at £0.6 million per MWh and strike price of £44/MWh, and is even more expensive than similar long duration flow battery storage.
Indeed domestic hydrogen use has effectively been put on hiatus. With only plans to reduce hydrogen over production curtailment (some hydrogen sites have to operate 24/7 regardless of demand) and even there only 1% mix with natural gass will be allowed.
Hydrogen growth as a energy vector is both challenging to implement and challenged by cheaper/more effective alternatives.
@@GruffSillyGoat It's basically a box ticking exercise, to get them nearer meeting their Paris Climate Agreement targets, as they're legally obliged to do so. It's clear that hydrogen has no realistic future powering passenger cars, so they need to be seen and heard doing something, and this green hydrogen malarky is it..... Yet another of Ed Millipede's brainwaves.......
Not just Shell but BP are not downgrading there 22 kW fast chargers to 7 kW they are being made redundant. I visited a BP site that has 4 x 22 kW units and found two were broken, so I phoned BP customer service and asked how long are they going to be offline? There answer was we are not going to repair them. I’ve said from day one that big oil should have never been allowed to get anywhere near the charging network.
Under the regulations CPOs will have to have a certain level of reliability, and they will have to report on it so I would expect to see the lesser used, unprofitable chargers being removed as opposed to being left unworking.
@@paulweston1106 This can only have the benefit of releasing capacity nearby on that grid.
I have never owned an EV, and thank goodness have not owned or driven any vehicle since 1982; I have bus stops served in both directions about three minutes walk from my front door, and the buses run every few minutes.
The type 2 connector for a.c. Charging is limited to 7 kVA when connected to a 30 A 230 V single phase supply, as would likely be the case for a wall charger in a UK home. I know that officially these things are not chargers, butI cannot remember the correct term for them. However, if connected to a three phase supply they can supply about 20 kVA. Few UK homes have a three phase supply, but this is not the case in some other European countries, and the small, a.c. Only chargers to be found on the streets are probably three phase, but I haven’t checked this. If quoted charging times for a type 2 only vehicle seem optimistic maybe they assume a three phase supply.
I recently examined an on street d.c. rapid charger. It was a fairly small unit, with two d.c. cables, one CCS and the other something else, both were rated at 50 kW, but there was also a type 2 a.c. cable which claimed to be able to supply 35 kVA. If this is correct then it would seem that either it is supplying about 50 A, or the mains Voltage is being stepped up. Does anybody know the maximum Voltage and current ratings for type 2 a.c. charging?
As I said, thank goodness I don’t drive.
Wow that was a very scaremongering video. As a Tesla car and powerwall owner and a human with a brain we can't bend over backwards to Elon. What happens if we don't vote for his favourite ultra right wing candidate in our next UK election? Will he threaten to turn off all our chargers?
So treat Tesla the same as we treat everyone else. Whatever will be will be!
The new regulations are useful. Either we have tariff automatically linked from your energy supplier to your car and you plug in automatically and get billed on your tariff with a slight % increase to cover AC charging and a large % increase to cover DC charging linked to charging speed. Or we get one app that can cover every single charger, or we get contactless on every charger. Minimum uptimes are important and im sure the regulations will get spread out to all chargers once each car park is mandated to have a % of spaces with chargers.
HS2 is a great much needed capacity increasing project for our railway. The main issue is the Tory politicians messed with it so much that over a quarter of the line in the countryside is now going to be in tunnels. Thus making this one crazy expensive build. What ever route you choose you have to minimise tunnels, as they are super expensive to build in the UK.
ICE and Petrol Industry definitely loving this.
I have a BYD Dolphin that you can film if you like
Hi Dave perhaps a nice gesture you’re an old military man if you could wear a Poppy . You’re and their service and sacrifice is why you’re allowed to post RUclips videos and we’re allowed to comment on them .Thanks mate good work ❤🇬🇧👍
Thought it was google?
always do, not yet put it on in the studio while filming, Jim. Will do now
Problems, problems with EVs. Who'd have thought it !! Biggest scam ever foisted on the motorist.
I rather think that is diesel gate
Ofgem never have nor never will be on the side of the consumer
And the big oil companies are?
@ oil companies are businesses, Ofgem is a government funded regulator of energy companies,
As always, doing their best to interfere and mess things up
For "range anxiety" read " averse to change" anxiety,... range is just a smokescreen.
When buying your ICE vehicle did you buy it based upon its range?
Given that most petrol cars will easily cover 400 miles on one tank of petrol and refuel then in 6 minutes, range is not a consideration for ICE vehicle buyers.
Never heard such rubbish in all my life
Why don’t UK governments ever have anyone as sensible as Dave advising policy? Instead they find some unelected loud-mouthed lout with an empty head dictating disastrous policies. This is a critical moment for getting EV policy right.
I really don't see the point of PHEV's, you get underrated ICE and minimal BEV
BIK tax
Sadly, we are in the hands of Ed Milliband.
So you think Whately or Barclay might be better? Well, until the Day of the Dead dawns and we have some idea of the new temporary Tory leader.
Reducing charging output because the grid can't and won't cope,Never seen that coming,The bubble has Burst,stop this madness now.
Absolute nonsense. The National Grid have stated on numerous occasions that there will be no issues. But hey, what do the people who actually run the grid know about running the grid eh? The vast majority of EV owners charge up through the night on off-peak rates, when the demand on the grid is at it's lowest due to most industry shutting down. That's why energy suppliers offer cut price electricity on off-peak tariffs. They *WANT* people to use it when the grid's capacity is at it's greatest, and demand is at it's lowest... Power stations can't be switched off like a light, so they need to create a demand....
@@Brian-om2hh I suggest you drop a line out to CPOs and installers on this one and ask them about the infrastructure issues they face. Yes there is ample capacity on the production side of things but once you get down to the local infrastructure there are potential sites that get discounted for chargers because the local supply side doesn't have capacty and the cost of upgrading the nearest sub-station isn't financially viable. Even at a doemstic level we still have a large number of older homes that have a looped incoming mains which is problematic for the installation of a 7kW home charger; these require National Grid to unloop supplies. In my mind the 'Grid' is more than just the output from power generation, it is the entire infrastructure up to the point at which the customer becomes responsible.
Domestic supplies are also likey to need upgrading over time if you think that for an air source heat pump you need a 32A breaker, a 7kW EV charger needs 40A, add another 32A for a cooker circuit and you're already over the 100A incoming mains breaker and that's without your normal power/lighting and a shower circuit. So again, the infrastructure will need some upgrading.
Yes I am happy that they get subsidies to drive petrol guzzling cars. They pay fuel tax so it comes back, one hundred fold fold. If I gave you ten pounds and you gave me one pound a week for a year, you would come out on top.
Say that to the victims of air pollution....
@@hansj5846 There is not any. One death in London proved to be from pollution
@keithdenton8386 🤣😂🤣😂 delusional.
Lie down at the tailpipe of your car with the engine running for an hour....then report back to this comment about your healthy experience.....if you are still alive.
I'll check back here in an hour (22:28) for your verdict.
@@hansj5846 We live on an island surrounded by water. The radio still gives out gale warnings. Do me a lemon.
@@keithdenton8386 what on earth are you smoking?
You believe air pollution is blown away?
Jesus wept 😂
Yet another reason not to buy an EV, especially if one lives in a flat and can't charge at home.
I live in a flat and charge at home. I thought most flats have dedicated parking space so I honestly don't understand this issue.
Rather than that, why not lobby your MP and give them the facts…
@Chrislayeruk1 what facts would that be?
@@hansj5846 The facts stated in this episode of Dave takes it on…
@@hansj5846 Having a dedicated parking spot doesnt mean that you are able to charge at home. Our building of 6 apartments has six dedicated parking spaces but there is no power in the parking araea and no way of running power to the car park without very expensive ground works to lay in power cables. The car park is too far from the building to run a 13 amp power cable to the vehicles.
Us motorists need to get together in our millions head to London and stay bring food etc we do not want these cars and we will not be forced to buy them we will not pay for expensive charging those who have no off street parking a drive at motorway speed battery depletes fast especially with 4 passengers add cold weather lights heating half your range gone which electric company is going to install these fast chargers nation wide let alone for trucks my car range 860 miles 1.6 Hdi engine £62 no worries about refuelling We have to fight people otherwise we are all fucked
You're against punctuations as well?
😂😂😂 Good grief
@@hansj5846 - why bother with punctuation, it won't make any of the desperation, myths and disinformation in this post any more relevant or truer.
Lots of inaccuracies and misinformation in that post Robbie.... "Electric companies" (I think you meant energy suppliers?) don't normally install EV chargers. Private enterprise does. They recoup the cost by charging people to use them. There are already 60'000 public charging connections in the UK, with a further 1000 or so per Month being installed.... There are an estimated 450'000 privately owned home EV chargers...
@@GruffSillyGoat I know. I just find it hilarious when people have something important to say and choose to present it like a rabid looney. It's the language of a conspiracy theorist.
Good get rid of EVS
Dave, just stop being a jerk, EVs, their range anxiety and their charging is a joke. Plus any owner should be added to the list for prosecution for crimes with humanity
😂😂😂
Jesus wept
No doubt you're in court tomorrow for the 40,000 UK deaths a year caused by air pollution.
Or are you averse to accepting that?
Just out of interest, how many different chargers have you actually used? And who do you suggest ought to be prosecuted for causing the ever increasing pollution at street level in our towns and cities?
I’ve never had range anxiety, I use my brain and charge as necessary.
@@Thetyrerepairer I wouldn't say I have range anxiety but I do find that longer trips require a bit more forward planning than they would for ICE; even down to the fact that not all motorway services are provisioned equally at the moment. The reliability requirements under the new regulations should hopefully mean that the chargers listed in your app of choice have a good chance of being operational but at the same time I suspect that some of the unprofitable chargers will be removed rather than repaired when they break down so that they don't get reported in the reliability stats.