LEICA M10 impressions after 6 months of street photography
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
- Shane shares his impressions from using the LEICA M10 for 6 months of street photography and every day use
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I just bought a used silver M10 and I'm watching vids like yours to get ready for the camera. I love my e-mount Voigtlander Noktons, so I bought an M-mount 50mm 1.2 Nokton as the first lens for my Leica.
I tried the system with the M262 and realised it was the camera for me. Great resale value allowed me to basically “rent” the M262 and now I’ve picked up an M 10p feels like the right decision for me. Love your video. You hit the right notes in terms of why these cameras work. Yes the metering mode is a bit weird but it just makes you more intentional and as you say if you underexpose a little bit it’s okay. It’s not for everyone but if you zone focus and love the 35 mm or 50 mm focal length then it’s superb. I always say to people try before you buy because if the system clicks you’ll love it but if it doesn’t it’s bewildering.
One of the best videos explaining the rangefinders pros and M10 pros
Good job
Thanks for sharing
I agree with everything you said. I enjoy shooting film, and this is the most film-like experience I’ve had with a digital camera. Your images are beautiful. Well done.
Love your work.
Been shooting with the M10p since 2020 just incredible.
Thank you for the review. Very helpful and interesting.
I have an M9 and recently bought a mint M10R. My M9’s patch is quite a challenge at times, but agree that it is really excellent in the M10. Leica cameras are fantastic. Fujis are good, but the day you touch a Leica it’s over. There’s no possible comparison.
The day you touch a Leica is the day that reminds you that you can't afford it and thus I stick with Fuji film and kick ass with my pictures because I have uber autofocus. Leica is just a flex anyway and pictures matter more than the camera.
@@gregmarcus3064, I understand your point but I don’t intend to “kick any asses”. As a professional, the work I produce and deliver is what matters. Leica lenses are simply better, and price is a secondary consideration if you are paid for what you do. Besides, of the Leica cameras I use to work currently, none was purchased new and they weren’t terribly expensive. I did pay a lot more for my Fuji GFX 100 when it came out in 19 even after giving as part of the payment my previous GFX 50. I use the Fuji a lot for certain types of work where I need the resolution, so again it was a good investment.
I think the RF patch really improved with the M240. I definitely notice easier time nailing focus coming from an M8.
@@gregmarcus3064 "Photos matter not gear, Fuji is great and has autofocus" 🥴🥴
Many moons ago I've rented an M6 and 35mm Summilux for a low light event (my Canon 1n could not AF in low light) and did get the shots I needed. Because the event was on Friday, I've had a camera for the whole weekend so I ran couple rolls of Velvia through it as well - however I did find viewfinder back then little difficult to work with, same disease as Hasselblad bodies - too dim and difficult to MF. Fast forward 3 decades and M10 viewfinder patch is totally usable for my imperfect eyes. Whoever says Leica is "stuck in time" should have their eyes examined or just take a semi-modern M for a spin. BTW I don't have a modern Fuji to compare to but I used to shoot with 6x9 "Texas Leica" (which is strictly tripod affair) - maybe someday I will explore Fuji again. For now I am quite happy with my M10.
It's not often seen a prof. photographer uses the Summarit 50/2.5. Good video! Keep on rolling!
I entered Leicaland in August 2020 with the Q2. The “gateway” camera led to the purchase of a mint pre-owned M10 a month later. Such a joy! I’ve now settled with the M-D 262 (my favorite!) and Monochrom 246. I use one or both every day. Thanks for the video.
My gateway was the original Q. Before that, I really did think Leica digital was mostly hype. The lens on the Q changed my mind, which led to the M10 and now here we are. 😅 The monochrom and MD cameras look like a lot of fun- especially the MD
@@frame-lines For me, the M-D is digital perfected.
I've spent most of the winter shooting a coastal project with an M10-P and 35mm lens. I was originally going to switch between cameras for the project back at the end of last summer, but in the end I just shot it on the Leica as it was just so nice to shoot with.
It really seems like the m10 is designed around 35mm focal length. It works beautifully with it right? (V jealous of your 10-P btw 😅)
@@frame-lines Definitely, the framelines just seem to feel right with the 35mm, where they feel a bit too small with 50mm and too near to the outer edge with 28mm. I tend to zone focus with a near and far setting at F8 for street, which is really quick. I like how the Leica keeps your mind on the photography as you need to remember how you set the camera up before the next shot!
Well presented. Proper M10 overview.
Nice overview. I need to get mine out and dust it off!
A fine review. Regardless of price, 'image' or specs', the thing with a Leica M is that over decades, the world's greatest photographers have found the rangefinder form factor, almost unique to Leica, to be the best to use to get iconic images. It takes some learning, some adapting too, but it is a proven 'tool' for photography. I hugely regret selling my M4-2, because I didn't 'learn' to work with it, like giving up learning a new language after 3 words.
"World's greatest photographers?"
Have some more Gatorade, sir.
the slight patina on the black finish is beautiful. and it's unique to you as well ^ ^
Damn! I would love to have one. Nice video!
My only problem with M10 is light meter when using viewfinder, as you mentioned, but I see it very differently. IMO It is built for "protect you highlights" type of photographers, so it underexposes images. At least mine does that :)
I find sensor not that great when recovering shadows. Perhaps comparing to older Leicas it is, but when you compare it to modern mirrorless it has some problems. I much prefer overexposed highlights to poorly recovered shadows
This issue forced me to shoot in full manual, just like you do, and... I LOVE IT! Sure, I would like better light meter, like in M11, but becouse of it I have finally learned to use manual mode all the time.
your post processing is awesome. It looks like a mixture of Kodak Gold and Portra. Do you have your own presets?
Great video Shane and like others below my views towards this camera mirror yours.
I invested in a Monochrom (Typ 246) a year ago to go alongside my X-Pro 3 but inevitably it led to me wanting a colour M as well and an M10 was added to the camera bag. Sadly the X-Pro 3 is now used very occasionally for all the reasons you mention!
As you say, the user experience is something special not to mention the images these wee boxes capture.
Best, Maurice.
Did you use the xpro3 in optical viewfinder mode much? I thought I’d enjoy it but the magnification is just too great, and it’s too small.
@@frame-lines Very rarely. I bought the Summarit 50mm before I invested in the M cameras and even when using that on the X-Pro I hardly used the OVF for the same reasons as you.
Nice wee breakdown there, love the photos too.
Do you still use the X-Pro3? The X-Pro2 was my main camera for years and I love Fuji, but I eventually sold it and went for the X100V but it never felt *quite right*… ended up instead with the Q2 & M10-R as my digital cameras. Completely in love with the M. Can imagine it being my main camera for a lot of years now.
Thanks! I sold the xpro 3 a few months ago and only have the M10 & Q now. I know what you mean about the x100 not feeling quite right- I felt the same. I can’t imagine switching from the M series any time soon
Well-presented! I am re-watching this, today, after first seeing it some time ago. I agree that some kinds of photography are best done with other cameras/lenses. I normally use an M10 to shoot at either 50mm or 35mm. Though I have an 85mm Zeiss M-mount lens, and a Leica 90mm M-mount lens, I normally simply use an SLR/DSLR to shoot in the 85mm and longer telephoto range.
great photos
Nice to see the Sunmarit getting some love. You might want to splurge for the Leica hood if you find it at a good price. It will give you a smidgen more saturation. Also, check the manual for the advanced metering modes. I use the regular spot meter off the curtain, but there are several options that use the sensor for metering.
The 50 summarit is a gem. Tiny, light, v sharp, buttery smooth out of focus areas, a focusing tab. So good! From what I understand of the metering modes, multi meter only works in live view or with the visoflex evf.
@@frame-lines Don't talk about it, you're gonna raise the used prices and I'm about to buy one hahaha
Great work. Agree on all points. :)
Cheers fella. I’ve seen a few of your vids on the M series - great work. Are you tempted by the M11?
Nice one. Still a beautiful camera. And the Images are quite impressive. Im actually really in love with my Q2 Ghost.
This is the exact set up I plan to get this year ! Great video, just solidifies exactly why I want to finally move to the M system from Fujifilm.
Including the summarit? It’s a really great choice for 50
@@frame-lines yup ! I have a buddy that recently let me use his summarit to do a test run and I’m sold on it. Amazing lens and so compact. Plan to grab that and the Voigt 28 ultron
@@Holl.Mvrk. that's exactly my plan too! (having a bit of a hard time finding this particular summarit in good condition) Are you getting the current 28 ultron or a previous version?
@@elmachomen yea, finding one is tough for sure. I know you can get the f2.4 version new, so if ya can’t find the 2.5, maybe look into that. I would get the ver. 2 of the 28. It’s overall better than the ver. 1 and I prefer the focus tab and look of the lens overall.
I am both a Leica and Fuji user. I use the Fuji x-Pro3 in manual mode and the camera highlights the focus which is then as accurate as a Leica.
I understand the X-Pro3 so much better now that I have an M. It solves a lot of the "issues" of frame line shooting (no paired lines, useful metering and info, focus point confirmation, etc). I've often thought about going back to the XP3 but I just love the glass options for M mount.
Great video. Great shots! I’m currently shooting on an M11P. The exposure metering issue you mentioned? Well the M11P is stellar. Best camera meter I’ve used. In saying that, an easy work around on the M10 as you said. I’m sure you’ll enjoy another decade shooting with it… at least unless you choose to use an alternative.
I'm still enjoying the M10 a few years on from this video and I've worked around its quirks. It's by far the most enjoyable camera I've ever used. Congrats on the M11P - that's a beast of a camera :)
Thanks for the review of the M10. I'm still not sure or have the funds. I get the camera totally but there are those niggles. Will it improve my street photography? I do doubt that and yet.......sticking with the X Pro 1 for now....a Lotto win would be a game-changer certainly. Ordered the first issue of the magazine and maybe I'll stop dreaming of the M10, or M11 for that matter. Thanks though.
ahh yess the summarit such a great lens and compact its my main lens
This video was so good you should earn a commission!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts also coming from Fuji!
One thing that gets rarely talked about is because the viewfinder patch is dead centre and (unlike with Fuji’s hybrid cameras) you cannot shift that focus patch - there is no way to get sharp images with focus and re-compose technique at f1.4 (which is the key reason folks go for the summiluxes). Inevitably the subject has to be in the centre to achieve sharp focus which IMHO is a major draw back in terms of composition. Your thoughts on this ?
I did think that would be a problem, but even shooting at 1.4 on the summilux I didn't see much of an issue with sharpness when I used that focusing technique. I can't explain why that is. I've also shot with a 90mm at 2.8 using focus and re-compose and have seen very sharp photos. I would say that the M10 seems to be best suited to a 35mm lens which gives you enough depth of field even at shallow apertures to achieve sharp focus when using focus & re-compose.
Nailed this review man. I havent taken a look at the m11 yet but I’m sure Leica will eventually address frameline selection. Knowing their philosophy for the essentials only, I can totally see them making it to where you can select just one frameline to reduce clutter. Beyond that and MAYBE IBIS, I really dont know what else can make an m10 better
Nice video paddy
one issue I have with my M10 is the sharp edge design on the body. scratched my finger one time when moving the ISO dial because of these sharp edges and corners. though it gives the camera a more sleek and modern look.
Can you share any tips shooting the with ISO 100 in the low light or indoor situation. Like your work taken in the subway platform. Thank u
Just picked up an M262 (M10 was slightly out of my price range) and I love it for the reasons you went into here. Also love the lack of Live View, so feels like shooting a film camera. I feel myself wanting to go and shoot anything with it, not just street.
As a 50mm shooter…yeah, what’s with that frame line pairing?!
Right?? It’s so annoying that 50 and 75 are so close together. I’ve considered getting 75 removed 👀
How do you find the 262? Any issues?
@@frame-lines for the most part it’s great. Start up and buffer could be considered slow, but I’m not one for burst shooting anyway. Battery life is awesome because the battery is huge. Love the colours that come out of it too
I have the M262 which has the same sensor as the M10. No live view though and great value.
as regards accurracy of focus of the fuji xpro, can't one shoot in manual focus?
I acquired a Leica M10 last week after years of Fuji use. I think it's a natural progression. Definitely a steep learning curve but fun to use. Agree on the light meter issue, but I have found it to underexpose significantly particularly in backlit scenarios, even when spot metering on something not so dark. Weird but something else to overcome.
Thats exactly what I experience too. If I shoot into the sun for example it will retain highlights but drop everything else to black. It would be an issue if the sensor didn't have such a huge capacity for shadow recovery.
@@frame-lines But also I took it out on Sunday for the first time outdoors, and it was a very sunny day. I then found it to overexpose quite significantly! It definitely has a weird metering system, either way you look at it. It almost forces you to go completely manual for the best results.
Maybe you’re using iso 100 as base? It’s well know that the real base iso on the m10 is iso 200, try it for your self and you’ll see that at iso 200 it has greater dynamic range. The iso 100 is like a pull iso. Try it!
@@franciscosalas6779 Yep 200 is truly the base ISO in contrasty conditions works like a champ, you can overexpose by 2 stops and pull back the highlights pretty easy if needed. When I was shooting 100 in contrasty scenes would really have to underexpose to retain highlights.
I’m curious how you view the Q2 vs this for the sensor and stabilization. I had so many highlights blowout from the Q2 while shooting at the standard exposure.
I’ve never used the Q2 so I couldn’t really give any useful insights. Interesting that it blows highlights though- I’ve never had that problem with the original Q
The new firmware uses a highlight weighted exposure which has been amazing. I was close to selling my q2 but now it works like how I always wanted it to
Can you please tell us something about what is the quality of images using the camera at 3200iso and above?
love shooting my Leica's but shooting portraits on a 85 1.4 with camera which has eye detection is so convenient. Hard work on a M though and not always suitable when on a job
Which lenses do you use with the M10?
Framelines is the Leica M10 a full frame camera like the Canon 6D Mark 1 or is it APSC camera like the Fuji XPRO 2
Hi. Are all photos taken with Summarit?
Do you think getting a M10 is worth it if I only shoot 28mm or should I save some money and get the Q?
which thumb grip is that? looks way cool
Also i picked up an m10 first week of January, it's become my go to camera, just like you said you truly feel like you earn your shots with it.
+1 to this question. This thumb grip looks awesome.
It’s a Haoge THB-M10 M10 hotshoe thumbs up. Really good quality 👌
@@frame-lines much appreciated ☺️🤘🏽✨
Just coming back to say thanks again, picked up the thumb rest and man it truly makes the grip much more comfortable ☺️✌🏽✨
I love shooting with these cameras but they're not without drawbacks which you didn't mention:
1) Minimum focus distance on most lenses is 0.7m and on older lenses is 1m.
2) The camera body or the lens could be out of calibration and you will miss focus because of this.
3) It's quite heavy (as heavy as a Sony A7 III) and not easy to grip.
Also I wanted to say that I actually find the viewfinder to be darker than my other film cameras, including another M mount camera, the Zeiss Ikon ZM.
1) Absolutely right. The min focus can be a pain- i guess i don't really notice it that much with 50mm
3) It is a hefty-boi which is partly the reason i use the summarit 50 because it's very very light and offsets the body weight.
I've never tried a Zeiss Ikon but i have heard good things about its VF. I don't feel the M2 or M3 are any brighter or bigger than the M10? The M10's vf is slightly tinted but in real world use its very clear and bright imo.
@@frame-lines Oh I meant the VF in other film cameras such as Nikon FM3a. With an f2 lens attached, I can see in the dark more clearly with it than I can with the M10's VF.
Apart from the EVF I would love to know your thoughts comparing the Q and the M10 seems you had high praise for both. Cheers!
They're very different cameras. The Q is my favourite mirrorless and I use it as a point and shoot- it has all the best aspects of mirrorless with one truly incredible lens. The M10 is more of an involved experience and it feels like there's nothing between you and what you see. It also feels more immediate and precise. In technical terms, the M10 delivers better raw files imo and I prefer the colour from it- especially when using leica's own lightroom profile.
@@frame-lines How did you find Q (or Q2) compared to X100V (or F)? My issue is the 28mm which is a personal rather than a camera thing. Wondering how you would compare these two (sorry to threadjack).
@@frame-lines thank you for the insight 🤍
Great vid. I rented an M-10R for a day and really enjoyed it (first time shooting with one, was curious). Would like to know your thoughts on the M11 - I’ve read some reviews and one thing I’m curious about is the “motion blur” - with it apparently being hard to get a sharp image with any movement due to the high resolution. I wonder if it’s possible while walking slowly and using a lower pixel (36m) mode 🤔
Looking forward to issue 2!
This is a great question
I haven’t shot that much with the m11 yet but will be trying it over the next few days, and will definitely be testing movement in different pixel res modes. I’ve heard similar complaints in 60mp mode
@@frame-lines great. I quite often shoot while walking, so it would good to know if high Mega Pixels are going to be an issue in the future, even if not strictly about an M11
Can’t justify the cost to get one, but it is beautiful.
Great video! I’d like a digital m (an m-d model in particular).
The fact that there even is an m-d model is wild. It shows how much Leica understand the value of the experience of photography. Fuji understand it too to some degree
@@frame-lines I’m interested in the xpro3 but would love an m-d. I shoot with an M2 so an easy transition I guess. The French made Pixii looks interesting too and takes m lenses.
For me it comes down to the viewfinder magnification, and I don’t like the xpro 3’s 0.52x. I prefer something closer to the m10 and m2’s 0.72
@@frame-lines appreciate that insight 👍🏻
Curious to hear your opinion about the M11, I tried it briefly in the store, but didn't really like the new shutter (four actions on the m11 instead of two on the m10), it definitely feels more like a mirrorless camera than the m10 does. I think the M10-R is actually the sweet spot of simplicity and a slightly improved sensor over the M10 (better highlight recovery for example).
Leica have loaned us an M11 so we’ll have a video about it soon. I heard a lot about the new shutter but my immediate reaction is that I like the dampened ‘kerchunk’ sound. Do you think it feels less precise/immediate?
@@frame-lines since the M11 shutter is always open, in order to take one picture the shutter needs to: close, open, close and then open again. Whereas with the m10 versions it would just: open and close. It makes it feel a bit sluggish, but of course that's all in my head, since the actual difference in delay has been measured to be minor (something like 18ms slower than the m10-r).
But it definitely feels different and more like a fuji/sony shutter. Especially when you're shooting at lower shutter speeds, you can feel the rumble feeling and the most noticeable is the last opening of the shutter (to be ready to meter again).
All this is of course nitpicking, but I liked the M series for the simplicity (and because it's close to my film m), not because I wanted another mirrorless camera with a million options.
Since the M10-R and M11 are essentially the same price new, I think the M11 is still the better purchase. But I think I'd lean slightly towards a used M10-R
@@GiancarloBenzina did you reply to the wrong comment?
Man, why did I get the Leica Q... that f*cking gateway into Leica drugs. I love the Q, but I don't want it anymore (I have a GRIII for small fixed 28mm). I want an M10... or at least an M240 I believe. I like 28mm, but I prefer 50mm sometimes, or even 35mm. And I want to get as close as film experience that I can, without the hassle of film. Great video and insights as always. Thanks.
I recently picked up a Leica Q partly because of you guys. My bank account would like you to take down this video pronto. 😅
You shouldn’t listen to us idiots 😅 (if it’s any consolation- I picked up a Q again to use along side the m10. They’re both great cameras)
Yea it’s a great camera. Has taken me a little while to adjust to the 28mm view coming from an x100v. It has its quirks but I’m enjoying getting out and shooting with it. Nice to see a shot of the Powerscourt SC steps 👌🏻
That camera costs a bloody fortune. It better be insanely amazing. Why is it worth that much? Is it about $8,500US body only? It would be by far the biggest purchase, by far, of my life for a camera body. I am not really a professional photographer, but I like good gear. That is out of my budget, but you never know. I could have a good year and look for a higher end camera. I would go for a used one. I saw some at half the retail price.
It aint using spot meter, rather center weighted when u shooting through viewfinder
Oh of course, Cartier Bresson! Buy the camera and his force will be with you.
I don’t know if it’s how people process their photos but I’m not a fan of the skin tones that I see coming out of Leica cameras, they all seem too reddish. Can you talk about skin tone rendering? I currently have a Fuji x-pro1
Maybe coming from Fuji explains it? Fuji is very muted in terms of skin tones, especially when using profiles like classic chrome. So maybe you've developed a taste for that? Personally I like the pushed film aesthetic which has vibrant skintones, especially in the shadows.
@@frame-lines thank you!
Very interesting with 75mm frame lines, really annoying indeed!
The optimal look you would get with the Leica summicron 50mm f1,4. The bokeh is unbelievable. Unfortunately this lens cost a lot more. But it's worth in the long run.
Leica summicron 50mm f1,4: ruclips.net/video/b3Phwb4CB1Y/видео.html
I took a lot of these shots with the summilux which I owned when I first got the M10. I slightly regret selling it but the summarit seems more practical in the long run.
I get that constant focus breathing along the video is an aesthetic choice but as a viewer it ends up being a bit tiring, imho. Overall I love your channel.
Weren't you photographing with Q? I thought that you are a more of an auto-focus guy. Did you get rid of Q? Do you miss AF? I ask these, because I'm on the other side, I own M system around 1.5 year, but sometimes I am being lured by the Q.
I sold my Q when I got an M10 but I bought another Q recently because the lens is so damn good. If I had to keep only one it’d be the M10 for sure.
@@frame-lines I see. Totally makes sense if you like 28mm and don't want to invest in something like Summicron, which is pricier than the Q itself. Though, I suppose, holds value well 🤷🏻♂️
Price 25.000 dollars? Great camera, if you can afford a lens.
“The leica m series are the only digital rangefinders” not true. There is the Pixii camera
Saw you shoot at ISO 100. Don't do it as you loose dynamic range! The cameras base ISO is 200.
I learned not to do that eventually :) Much better dynamic range at 200
My M10-R is heating and using up the battery in matter of hours. The problem is that there is no service for this camera any longer.
Be mindful when diving in Leica world. The sect has ugly secrets you find out once you have a camera that does not work, there is no warranty and you need to wait for one year to get it back from Wetzlar repaired or not repaired.
Is it worth it? Your choice.
PS. I have an M6, M9, and an M10-R. I know what I am talking about.
those edits...
…are rather nice? 👀
@@frame-lines superbbbbb
phew 😅
@@frame-lines check my m10 photographs on my channel
Why people brag about the rangefinder viewfinder and later they add and EVF to their Leica? The Leica M system has very limited use with a huge price tag; I don’t know this is justifiable!
I don’t see many people adding evfs to their M10’s, except to use for checking lenses or shooting at longer focal lengths to be honest. I would never justify the price tag either- all I can do is speak to my experience of using it
@@frame-lines I must say that I’d love to own one but not for the features though. Leica is the ‘Rolex of the cameras’
@@mahdiali6732 There are cheaper entry points into the M system now with the M240 and 262 selling for the same price as a Canon R6 or Sony a7 Iv at least
I don't have the proper plaids and hats for this camera...
*The pros are not really pros above others, and the cons are real cons.. all for so much more money.* Fuji XT4 does it all so much better... Have a nice day.
Example images are not impressive.
Cheers buddy
Judging by your flickr I guess it didn't have enough hip shots for you. Not all street photography has to look the same
Bellend, they look great.