'Blood on their hands' - Jordan Lewis SLAMS Hawks after Clarko steps away I AFL 360 I Fox Footy
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2023
- Jordan Lewis and Jack Riewoldt discuss the fallout of Alastair Clarkson's decision to step away from football indefinitely following the handling of the Hawthorn racism scandal.
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The media, and journalists in general, need to take a hard look at themselves. How do they sleep at night? Revulting humans, preying off of the misfortunes of others. The way that they put people to the sword, they wouldn't last 5 minutes under the same pressure.
Australians a country that prefers to throw individuals under the bus than actually take responsibility for any problems that we are now facing
Good on Lewis for speaking out strongly against his own club. The AFL and the investigative panel have a lot to answer for. Clearly there is no defensible and fair process that has been put into place. It is a complete shambles and hopefully Clarko's mental health absence will be the catalyst for the AFL to step in and get the process right for all involved.
I really think the reason this has dragged on for so long, is because the accusations are ridiculous. but the AFL doesnt want to come out and say they are ridiculous because it goes against the woke narrative that any minority group is always telling the truth. Like "believe all women"
This whole rascism thing is completely out of hand.
ANY accusation must be backed by proof, whats happened is the opposite. It was only a matter of time before it began to affect peoples health....it appears that if your accused then you are guilty until proven innocent. There is no avenue to prove your innocence, no onus on those accusing to produce proof. They say mediation....mediation for what?? No body has been found guilty of anything.
Everyone forgetting that Hawthorn gave this to the AFL in asking for help because it was too big for them to handle. AFL has let this stew for too long, Tasmania and CEO were more important to them.
The aFL are attempting to use this in order to depose the HFC CEO Reeves, because they know he's a JEFF-MaN..They already replaced Jeff with their own insider in Gowers....Therein lies the back-room politics.
It’s disgusting that people who have had allegations put against them don’t get the chance to put their story out, what more can you say when you see people treated like they are guilty and not given a chance to say anything when others accuse them of something. The AFL should be ashamed of themselves just as much as Hawthorn should be of themselves for sitting back and dragging this on for so long
It's been in the AFL's hands for 6 months amigo....Get a clue....It's they who are milking this in a 'trial-by-media' smear-job, for all it's worth....No one currently at the club was involved in the allegations.
What do you mean by “putting story out”?
He already has put forward his version of events and responded to claims as part of the investigation.
You must have meant “why hasn’t he put his story out…for the public to judge”.
@@divad23 What we are hearing is the three men have yet to be given an official right to respond to the allegations even during the initial review conducted at Hawthorn.
As a GEELONG supporter, I’m no fan of CLARKSON, however how he has been treated is absolutely disgraceful.
These faceless allegations and the usual suspects including the ABC need to be dealt with.
Are you not a fan because he denied your Cats back to back premierships in 2008?
@@patrickmilner4149 , a bit more to it than that. Of course it played a big part.
I don't think the accusers are faceless.The people who are investigating the claims are protecting their identities, for good reason.
@@petermcculloch4933 , fair enough, however when the accused are not willing to come forward or participate in the investigation and make demands , I’d say these people are faceless.
Why don't they just let Clarkson, Fagan & Burt tell their side of the story. It's not Hawthorns fault they didn't have the chance to respond. Didn't the HFC ask the AFL to assist with this in the first place.? Reckon the ABC reporter needs to bear as much of the blame for this as well as much as anyone. They only chose to report one sided allegations and not have Clarkson, Fagan & Burt respond before the ABC then came out with the story.🙄but hey, what do I know, just a humble observer.
2 of the players making the accusations are Dayle Garlett and Jed Anderson. Get the names out there, name and shame
Why should they be ashamed?
Victim blaming won't get you far in life goose.
@@thedownunderverse for making fake allegations. They’ve had 8 months to come up with any evidence and have not been able to.
@@thedownunderverse I'm dark skinned so I feel for them if this was true, but surely why wait a decade for this to come out? something seems fishy to me
@@absxx618 maybe they were fearful of speaking up earlier? Maybe it took them time to process and come to terms with what happened? This is common with victims of abuse. The “delay” in itself doesn’t mean anything
Who are the faceless people who told their STORY?
Damn I wish Hird got this type of support..
Caroline Wilson won't stop until he's in a box. She has a lot to answer for.
Hird was responsible for what went on at Essendon under his watch. He gave the green light to those "supplements" and as such was guilty. Clarko has been hung out to dry on mere allegations by faceless people who refuse to subject themselves to questioning and insist on remaining anonymous. Huge difference right there.
@@gustaaf1892 Clarkson, Fagan and Bert must hire a major Law Firm and sue the lying accusers, Hawks and anyone in the Media who slandered them.
@@gustaaf1892
Hirdy had NO idea about supplements, and what he had inherited with Bomber Thompson bringing Dank and Robinson from Geelong.. He stayed in his wheelhouse, the coach. THEY are responsible, not Hirdy. Essendon's president through him under the bus, along with that slimy weasel Demetriou, Fitzpatrick and McLachlan, all in the name of saving the AFL brand, which is what's happening here. Save the brand, at all cost.
@@gustaaf1892 Hird trusted the wrong people. His mistakes came from inexperience. He made mistakes - he's recognised and apologised 1000+ times for that, and carried that weight for years and years.
We have less of a picture of what's happened with Clarko - but it's definitely true that he's been trialed by the media with no right of reply or ability to defend himself. It's not right for anyone.
the media have a lot to answer for as well
As an Essendon fan, I hate to be the bearer of bad news to Hawks fans, but this is gunna get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever does. The examples of West Coast after the Ben Cousins era, our ASADA saga and Melbourne after the tanking debacle show a historic pattern where a lot of revered figures are never the same again and it takes a huge amount of personnel overhaul to get the club back on track again. At least Clarko’s done the right thing by North by removing himself and sparing the Roos from the ripple effects this will have
Nonsense...Nothing to do with the club...Everything to do with Clarko & Fagan & their governance.
@@alansimmonds9030 Nonsense...Nothing to do with the club...Everything to do with Stephen Dank and his practices.
Oh how we wish it was that simple.
@@dansharp2860 Difference being, none of the coaches involved are still at our club.
Fingers being pointed everywhere except toward those who made made the anonymous and unsubstantiated claims.
Caretaker coaches never get the credit they deserve in such circumstance. In many ways, they are the under appreciated heroes.
Why is this a first nations investigation? So the people making alegations are indigenous, so what. Get the alegation, do the investigation, get a response, provide a resolution. Move on. All that should take no longer than 8 weeks.
and they're not even a nation. Australia didn't become a nation until 1901. Aboriginia has never been a nation as far as I know
Imaginary nations, imaginary genders, imaginary leaders... It would be an absurd comedy if it wasn't forced reality.
@@zigzag8949 Absolutely Zigzag. The whole coercion is a disgrace
AFL has a lot to answer too. but never do
Don't Pin All Of This On Hawthorn!, The Accusers & Investigators Are Also Responsible.
Its Hawthorn that should be stood down until they clean up this horrific mess that they have created .
Hawthorn did NOT create this, it was the ABC.
@@daniellebcooper7160 looking back at it. Cyril Rioli is why this investigation is happening, and not the ABC, but that's just me.
@@daniellebcooper7160Hawthorn knew about the report and didn’t go public and yet they have done nothing
@@leaderofnoone9087 The cyril Rioli event was separate. That was over Jeff Kennett making a 'Dad' joke about riolis girl freinds fashionably torn jeans. The Clarkson episode has only come to light after the ABC heard about it, and tried to make a racial issue out of it.
@@kevsmagpies1306 Yes hawthorn have handled this very badly, but it was the ABC that created something from nothing.
This whole issue is little different to whats been happening up in the NT for years...which is, that no one wants to deal with the indigenous issue in case theyre labeled racist.
“The truths need to come out , to set us free “…
No difference from the essendon saga Afl & political distractions using people lives for their games
How hawthorn treat their greats is astonishing. If I was a hawthorn supporter I'd reconsider supporting such a club. Clarko is a legend of the game.
Alistair Clarkson was the one who moved on the latest crop of champs, no one else!
This is about past indigenous boys & their gripes against Clarko & Fagan....The HFC has followed all the correct protocols here....all else is Nothing but aFL media tripe.
nobody is bigger than the club, what would you do cover it up to protect someone's reputation, without finding out if it is true?
@@akula444 The trouble is the aFL seem happy for it to be played out in the media instead of doing it the honest & respectful way ....Divide & conquer mentality...Gill is very petty & very small inside.
Mate if the allegations are true what would you say? Who's to blame?? Quit blaming the football club, when people keep dodging the real issue - which is that these coaches racially abused young Indigenous players, and now they're victimising themselves for no apparent reason.
People who are angry forget how this all happened.
Hawthorn told on the MESIAH (LOL) when they found out what actually happened. They legally had too. Do you think they wanted this? No. Unfortunately some people can’t handle the truth, when accused or told, just like this fanboy.
Also you’re going to find life tuff, if you think every time you hear something you don’t like, you assault them. How old are you, ten?
you don't even know what the allegations are, or who made them, a year in.
The investigation won't even interview the accused. Your position is pathetic.
@@cygnatius6378 here’s Clarko on his burner getting emotional on the internet 🤡
The allegations are extremely damning. There is no debate about that. However, the accused are entitled to a swift and just process. If all or even some of these allegations are proven to be untrue, the reputational damage alone to the accused is devastating. They cannot be left hanging for months on end as their lives are destroyed like this.
@gumby7584 Agree
MSM must carry partial responsibility for this situation, irrespective of the alleged incident. Nothing gets in the way of a juicy story and profits. I sincerely hope Alistair and all the others involved in this sad affair can get justice and the help they need to move on from this poorly handled situation. After reading comments below, I wonder how many of these individuals will vote No in the up and coming referendum on an Indigenous Voice to Parliament. Based on the comments I would expect them all to vote Yes.
Hawthorn should be ashamed along with the AFL, name the so called accusers, this stings of a money crab by ex players who I guess have been sacked.
Everyone Will Pay Badly From This, Dearly! Whatever Happens.
Says a bloke who spat the dummy at Clarko and left after only been offered a one year contract!
Where was James Hird fairness club and afl threw him under the bus. WADA and asada admitted hird didn’t do anything wrong
lol
False.
Wonder what Silk thinks.
Where's Gerard? 🤫
yeh as a hawks supporter this is getting ridiculous, at least let the man speak
2:13 "i think it's important tonight to firstly acknowledge everyone involved in this First Nations investigation". This is true, so who made the allegations?
Clarkson & Hood were cocky in passing up Essendon. Bullet dodged Bombers……
Onya for having an opinion here Jordy backing you're old coach. Shame on the AFL for not doing a good job on this one. Understand he may have done a few things wrong but he is obviously a good man and would own up and apologise if found guilty, to get to a point where he is seriously unwell isn't a good situation for anyone.
Who is this presenter? Is she there just because she’s a female? This is sexist against men. #quotas
The players need to be named to, just because of the colour of your skin, you don’t get to make slanderous accusations with no comeback or reply.
Hang on a minute.I thought Hawthorn are the greatest club in the modern era.A family club.A well run club.Whoops.
King of contradiction Jordy Lewis. Feels for the victim and the accused.😂
The NBA finals are about to start. Think about it
What's a NBA ?
As a die hard bombers fan anyone associated with hawthorn is the enemy but i really feel for Clarko and hope he is vindicated and hawthorn get flushed down the toilet where they belong
i love how everyone assumes hes innocent . not
Even if he is, it would be good if he was able to actually get his viewpoint
Well, that is certainly backwards. In our country there is indeed a presumption of innocence. If there has been something wrong it should be properly investigated and all parties should have the chance to give evidence and testimony. What has happened is that unsubstantiated allegations were made publicly, without the people who were accused having the opportunity to properly defend themselves. The AFL are as much to blame as anyone for failing to properly investigate.
You declaring someone guilty from a position of ignorance is the problem. Just part of the modern online lynch mob.
@@hickelnickel yeah it would but this video has everyone saying oh poor clarko and making out like hes a victim. how about shut the F up until we know the truth. maybe he deserves what hes getting and more
You mean literally how he should be until it's proven he's not?
Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty
Imagine if the media had this much sympathy for Clarko's alleged victims...
You said it.. "Alleged" victims.. Everyone's a victim these days
The 'vicitms' who won't come forward, allow themselves to be interviewed or let the evidence be released?
Yeah. Seems so legit doesn't it
FK those faceless liars. They're just out looking for a payday. Their demands stipulating that Fagan and Clarkson must admit guilt and set up trust funds, and pay reparations before mediation has even taken place is evidence of that.
These "victims" are absolute scum, and I hope they get nothing and live in shame forever. Hope that scrag did get an abortion.
who are the victims exactly? and what were they a victim of?
@@cygnatius6378 my understanding is that a number of former players were interviewed and shed light on some potential abuse/harassment from Clarkson & his team.
That it was seemingly exclusively directed at indigenous players has only intensified the scrutiny.
Certainly not saying Clarko is guilty of anything yet, but for the media to immediately jump to "Poor Clarko, how bad must he be feeling?" seems a stretch also.
NOT Hawthorn's fault, they did the right thing and in due diligence - they saw the seriousness of the allegations and handed it to the AFL, they could not have tried to handle it themselves at the risk of being accused of a cover up. They self reported, as many teams have done in the past.
The hawthorn football club like any other club consists of a president, a chairman, a board of directors and a CEO to set the culture and governance of the club. That is their job. Jeff had the knives out for Clarkson well before all this. Completely Hawthorns fault.
@@brettst01 if allegations are true, yes it is Hawthorns FC fault, the entire organisation, including Clarko - but at this stage the football club is not some kind of arbiter meant to hear both sides of the story then make a decision. Allegations have been made to and AGAINST the football club, HFC need separate themselves from the investigation as they are also part of the accused parties.
@@akula444 Agree, which is why I am responding to the comment from you that it is not Hawthorns fault. Clarkson is 5 levels down the ladder of responsibility within the club and not responsible for defining club policy but enforcing it. For the club (and the AFL) to allow this to be drawn out so long is a disgrace and very much upon the club to ensure the welfare of current and past players and administrators.
Mate, Clarkson pressured one of his players into forcing his girlfriend to get an abortion because she was black. Clarkson is not the victim.
Evidence? Genuinely asking.
@@sportydude9337 there is also no evidence saying Clarkson is innocent at the same time. So maybe we should wait and see what happens.
The color of the people involved have nothing to do with the original issue. That only came about once the ABC learned that there were indigenous involved. Clarkson and fagon were asked for advice from a younger man, who just happened to be indigenous.
@@leaderofnoone9087
That’s what I’m implying!
Let’s all wait :)
No evidence for anything but in this day and age people collectively love to outrage instead of waiting for facts.
Where's the evidence of this? Can't produce any? Stfu then
Not a fan off Clarkson since he king hit a young kid in Aitken and then ran away and ive never been a fan of Hawthorn either ,so seeing all this unfold wont bother me one iota, the console operator at the servo refused to serve him ,BUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLSHIT,hey Lewis dont let the ruth get in the way off a good story ,sounds similar to Betts saying that some kids wanted him removed from the swimming pool so the parents asked if Betts and hes children could leave ,NEVER HAPPENED
I’m not quite understanding why the Hawthorn football club is being blamed for this. Didn’t they hand it off to the AFL and an independent investigator/panel to complete the process so it would be considered impartial? As far as I can see it is the AFL who has made a complete mess of this. Or is that too damaging for the game as a whole? Are we sure we are not scapegoating the club to save face for the AFL?
Clarko is a great man. FAKE ALLEGATIONS!
Evidence? Genuinely asking.
Evidence of his innocence? Is that how justice works now?
exactly.
@@worker-wf2em You miss the point. How do we know that the allegations are not fake? Wanting to know more does not constitute taking sides. If they want to have all sides have their say, then we need to know what all of the allegations are, and not just go off of "Clarko is a great man, so these are fake!!"
James Hird was a great man. Now he's a a drug cheat, and caused 20something guys to have their careers ended or banned 2 years because WADA upheld their doping convictions. Were those allegations fake?
He has a very good coaching record but a great person, are you serious?He abused a junior umpire, damaged a coaches box, threatened a female journalist, threatened opposition players, made a ridiculous attack on Wayne Carey and I have not even stopped to think about the black marks beside his name.
Aboriginals
Sick of people stripping away the nuance here, its such a complicated situation and there is no innocence or guilt to be had. We don't know what happened and we need to stop assuming we do. Be paitent, wait for the facts and don't spread rumours, doesn't help anyone.
It has been close to a year. It is unacceptable to be asking for more patience given Clarkson has not even been consulted in this process.
No this is a situation where X player's are after money and fake racism pushed by the ABC. This is the woke world we live in now.
Once the woke cancel U? There ain't no more premierships a come en.. your done & it's game over..
They all hoped that this would go away ,or be swept under the table.
Cyril walked away from his 5 year contract .
He and the other indigenous boys, couldn’t care, if they aren’t welcome back at the club. Cyril, Burgoyne , and the other boys, have lived their entire lives, not being welcome, wherever they go, because of their skin colour. Do you really believe that they care whether or not they’re welcome at Hawthorn? LOL.
Hawthorn should be commended for allowing this to leak to the media. They did the right thing, even though this will damage the club forever.
Can’t wait for the day this begins in court, then we will see, who is innocent and who is guilty!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Silk has backed Clarkson repeatedly you goofball.
Your hatred of Clarkson is pathetic mate. Go get help
this is one of the most idiotic summarizations of the event imaginable.
R u serious?
The indigenous super stars are victims and not welcome? Fark me.
The OP is a coping lefty
@@cygnatius6378 you have commented on almost every post mate, this Clarkos burner?
It’s interesting that Clarko didn’t seem to have mental problems when North were winning. I wonder if it’s possible that he can’t stand all the losing.
How do you know what was going on in his head, winning(2games) or losing, why would that matter?
Your a proper moon face
I'm a Collingwood supporter, I disagree with Clarkson standing down. He's either innocent or guilty of something at Hawthorn. If he's innocent then he should have no reason to stand down. If he's guilty of inappropriate behaviour at Hawthorn he probably shouldn't have joined Nth Melb.
Why should North Melb and its supporters be penalised and disadvantaged because of something that occured at another club?
Pfft what a joke this has become. Clarkson did the wrong thing stop bringing the whole competition down to your level mate. He's a disgrace him and Fagan, they should never be allowed near a football club again!
Your a disgrace,stop sniffing guys g strings
The absolute BS in this.
If he was guilty he’d have been guilty when this come out.
The Hawks, led the some Indigenous people, have spiralled way out of control due to the PC world we live in.
If he did those things he’d have been punched in the mouth, forget about the justice system.
The people accusing, Indigenous or not, should be imprisoned - especially because both Fagan & Clarkson are still free.
Get a grip!
Uninformed garbage.
Your an idiot.
100% facts.
Why would you recruit an ab0riginal player these days? They cause too much drama and problems.
Simple as
Blame the ABC for pushing the players that way mate.
Idiot.
True
Yep, absolutely
Idiotic, ignorant, horrible comment!
Clarko finally twisted the narrative to get people feeling sorry for him, ha.
all his afl & media-mates have been coming to his defense for the past 6 months & trying to reverse the blame & pour the pressure on our club....Not going to work.
F Hawthorn they are dispicable
Right yeah hawks should just shut up and hid those allegations right everyone
obvious from day 1 the allegations were nonsense.
Support for Clarkson and Fagan
Shame on Hawthorn and the AFL.
HFC have followed aFL protocols & procedures as they are legally bound to.