The clubs and players DAMAGED by Round 12 performances - SEN
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Nathan Buckley and Kane Cornes unpack ALL the key details from Round 12, only on SEN!
0:00 Melbourne in the gun
5:48 The Hawks are surging
9:25 Give the Bulldogs credit
12:08 Harley Reid struggles
16:47 The umpiring adjustment
19:57 Are the Crows on the right track?
22:17 The injury tax & mid-season trade
27:21 Are the Saints better without Max King?
28:29 Port Adelaide's future
30:38 The McKay Bowl
31:18 Coaches who are too nice
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Sydney fan here but seriously Fremantle deserve more than a five second compliment. They were incredible yesterday and should get a hell of a lot more credit for their performance.
You get used to it as a Freo fan. We're not thought much of by Victorian's other than to make up the numbers in the league unless we're solid top 4 for that season
Thanks, it does get unbelievable that we have our best win in a decade, correct our set shot inaccuracy in front of goals (which is not influenced by the Dees) and everything is about Melbourne falling off a cliff.
And Vics wonder why we are so jaded against VFL teams….
@@AWOL_ODST It's because of the 400 business class seats on each flight we get to enjoy so it's just a stock 4 points
Jordan Lewis actually gives Freo the credit in a Fox Footy article. Search: ‘Absolute demolition’ stuns Demons as Dockers conduct thrashing in red centre - 3-2-1
@@TheLifeOfLeonKbecause most of the time Fremantle are a trash team
No coverage giving Freo any credit. Sure there must be issues at Melbourne but a 92 point win means the winner is playing some pretty good footy.
Kane is so quick to shut down the Darcy/Jackson combo but when they clearly had the better of Gawn, silence.
I knew yesterday that this week everyone will be talking about how bad Melbourne was and not how good Freo was.
Did you listen to the intro? Multiple times Bucks said you have to give credit to Freo for their performance, but the bigger issue is how bad Melbourne were. They mentioned their ball movement and efficiency - ‘no coverage’ is a stretch. It’s not the news, it’s an opinion piece analysing the big issues in the weekend. Plus, like Sydney, you’re not in Victoria so are never going to get much of a mention.
@@Yo_Adriann I'm not a Freo or Demons supporter but I watched that game and continued watching it because it was fascinating to watch how disengaged, disconnected and disinterested the Melbourne players were from pretty much the start of the game.
As a Sydney supporter I'm well used to hearing the narrative be all about the Victorian teams but in this instance the real story about the Freo/Melbourne game is rightly about what's happening at Melbourne. If Freo had just outplayed a Melbourne side who were really having a crack and whose system was solid I'd be agreeing with you but that's not what happened.
Gawn had 23 touches, 1.1, and 31 hit outs. Not sure it was the ruck match up that lost Melbourne the game
They won't be beating every team by 92 points. Freo played out of their skins and Melbourne were off.
Treloar is probably the most consistent player in the comp this year, dude is aging like a $3000 bottle of wine. 10/10 bloke too, so glad he's smashing it atm
Goodwin needs to Exercise his Demons.
Well done.
Kane, that's what freo do with Darcy and Jackson in the same team together. Now shut up and never speak of it again.
You ain't giving freo enough credit, we hold every team to low scores, the last 4 weeks we have had more shots than anyone but our accuracy been horrible, yesterday it all just come together and Melbourne seen a freo master-class
Keep doing it and finish top four and make a preliminary final
Freo will get exposed when they have to play the better clubs.
@@Not1Dimensional Freo are looking like they could be one of the best sides in the comp atm. Yeah they probably should’ve won against the pies, but they’ve only had 1 “bad” performance this year. Not including the game against Sydney as Freo had just lost their mate to suicide and despite this, they won most stats and should’ve been up at every break.
@@gwilkes5325best side in the comp? See what the Dogs did to them.
Kane talking about Mathew Nicks bring too nice when Ken Hinkley is literally an old man who's always smiling even after embarrassing losses. Sack Hinkley, he is softer than butter that has been left out in the sun for weeks.
Hated seeing have a laugh after the game, what is going on??
@@Power_PrawnstarKen's not a Port man
Kane has lost it blaming the players. Collingwood have 16 players out no forward and nearly win. It's the system which is Ken Hinkley
Geelong fan here. That moment when Ginnivan kicked the goal for the Hawks and the way Day and the rest of the teammates reacted was a pure 'meaning' 'making moment. You could tell as a collective they all believed that they could do it and no one on that day was going to stop them. It was epic to watch.
We love Ginni 💛
@@FlagMerchant he's awesome, what a pickup.
I love this segment every week. You can tell one of these two has actually coached an AFL side and the other one hasn't.
Buckley - 92 point win but we’re not gonna focus on Fremantle. Wait what ?
Freo have and always will be boring to talk about sorry man
@@julianpatton8294 Freo should’ve won those two close games earlier in the year and that wouldve put them second on the ladder , only two points behind Sydney . They are a lot better than what people give them credit for. I’m an Essendon supporter.
Melbourne were terrible though - in this instance that is the story. Freo were good, but they weren’t +92pts good.
@@dmcguire70 they are still boring though can’t deny that
Melbourne better stay down for kings bday
The disrespect to Fremantle is insane. Dees were belted no matter how they played by a very good Freo outfit.
As a Freo supporter it's good to wake up on a Monday morning & not see your team who is on the receiving end of a shellacking
The Vic media are only interested in non victorian teams if they are going badly.
We don't get shellacked too often anymore..
All TV and digital media feed off negative journalism these days, it's how they get attention for their networks and radio stations. Here we have ex-footballers in the media falling victim to the same thing spending the entire time focusing on all the negatives of a club's single performance.. Yes, they are paid to express an opinion, but it should be a balanced report, I don't barrack for Freo but at least give some DECENT kudos to the team that shredded a quality Melbourne team containing it's fair share of household names.
No surprise these guys once again give 5 seconds to Freo and 5 minutes to Melbourne
They act bewildered that there isn't mid season trade, and then explain exactly why there isn't one. You can't move players against their will and it would overwhelmingly favour Victorian clubs.
Mid season trading would be the end for me, make players mercenaries.
It only works if you can trade players against their will, which should be the case anyway. If you sign up to play in the AFL it should come with the expectation that you may have to move away from mommy and daddy. Agree that unless comes into effect it will only favour Vic clubs and therefor cannot be implemented.
@@Power_Prawnstarguess what no one cares and you won’t be missed lol
@@ben10521 Your mum would miss me
Are these blokes for real! WA clubs get rooted by the schedule all the time. Now all of a sudden it affects Collingwood it’s a big issue and they are crying out for a mid season trade. Bloody hypocrites
Exactly, the WA clubs should refuse to play in Tasmanian until Collingwood begin playing games down there. the Apple Isle has been a graveyard for WA teams since day one. The Eagles lost games to North in years where they won flags!! They shut down Princes Park, Windy Hill etc because they were not up to AFL standard.. those Tassie venues look like bush footy grounds. If all clubs dont play down there, then NO clubs should play down there. Well its a moot point now that the Tasmanians will come into it.
I'd like to see Clayton Oliver move to St Kilda. Could regenerate him.
Ken is too nice that's for sure
Love the irony of Bucks discussing the injury tax and the cumulative effects of short breaks despite so many commentators and media completely ignoring this reality for West Coast Eagles in 2022 and 2023 respectively. The mid season trade will become nothing more than an internal network for Victorian player movement.
It was actually brought up quite a bit. Damian Barretts still talking about it now.
@@unktopia the way in which it was being spoken, and the tone was very different. One is clearly sympathetic, the other was mostly dismissive despite both situations that the respective clubs face arguably having the same effect in terms of additional attrition and workload for available players not injured. Both clubs will have drawn on reserves who aren't remotely ready to play at the highest level... but both were not even remotely discussed in the same light. I'm not surprised either.
@@samantha-jane4424 Maybe over time the talk around the eagles was pretty negative. I feel like it was more sympathetic from a number of commentators early on though. Still probably fairly negative for the last year or so before this year I guess.
@@unktopia perhaps I'm a bit more cynical and jaded.
Port are done.
No forward line, the coach's gameplan won't work against good clubs.
Marshall is the biggest downhill skier in the game, jones not up to it, Boak cant kick, never has been able to, can only play inside, Charlie is a failed experiment, always breaking down or missing easy set shots, Burton doesn't care.
We're cooked.
Well you're not as bad as the crows, west coast eagles, North Melbourne and saint Kilda lol
Hard to argue with any of that. I'm not a Port supporter but I loved Boak and the way he goes about it; the problem is, though, that he's just not fast enough to be impactful inside and, yep, he's not a natural great kick.
Dixon has all this promise at the start of seasons and then gets steadily worse and worse...
It's a shame for you guys because I absolutely love seeing Rozee, JHF and Butters tear it up. Imagine that midfield surrounded by good, competent, fit defenders, forwards and roleplayers!
@@jaredburgess8381 who has a midfield with a forward line and good defenders ?
@@CoreyJones-kq1wjso what,you don't compare yourself to lower teams for success,that's just stupid
@@fergulator7297 what do you mean ?
Geez the Port loss could cost the Hawks but huge game against the Giants next week. If they beat GWS, got the Tigers and Eagles after that, win those as expected and they’d be right in the hunt for a finals spot.
I wonder which AFL coach thinks Freo would be a better team without Darcy playing together with Jackson.
I'm finding it really hard to find someone talking about Freo and their success. ... moving on .. keep looking
Melbourne looked completely disinterested, a team full of stars that looked apathetic at best! You'd expect a response undoubtedly but they'd better hope that was an aberration not a trend
The game the Swans lost to Richmond this season didn't look quite as bad as this but it was similar. Disengaged, disinterested and disconnected players. And it turned out that there were relationship fractures in the playing group. Makes me wonder if something similar is going on at Melbourne...
How about Kane Cornes as coach of the Adelaide Crows? The Crows have never won a game at the MCG under Nicks. It is time to accept that he is not the coach that will take them to success. Cornes has the experience as a player, he has the pedigree, he is an excellent analyst of the game and he has plenty of chutzpah.
😂 Imagine the Crows faithful hearing about a Port 300-gamer as coach of their club! There'd be riots!
@@jaredburgess8381 Cornes father was the first coach of the Crows - so he has links - and plenty of players have gone on to coach clubs they didn't play for.
@@davidw4987 Firstly, Cornes is DESPISED by Crows supporters and, secondly, he's done zero coaching. Being a media analyst who sees the game okay is very, very different from the rigours of AFL coaching.
Why do you think most senior coaches have done about a decade in assistant coaching roles before they get the big jobs?
@@davidw4987keep smoking the gear mate.
Charlie dixons 33 but its a hard 33. Been playing day in day out since he was like 17 for the gc suns, he probably struggles to get out of bed in the morning no joke.
If Freo finish top 4 then they will be out in straight sets.
I’d love to be in the media. It’s easy - lavish praise on the winning side and bag the absolute f… out of the losing side and then after a couple of losses, question the stability of the club, other issues at play, the coaches need to go… the list goes on.
Seriously it’s the premier football competition in the country. Virtually every team has had these dips in the year and will continue to do so. Any team can lose a few in a row and even get belted.
Even at amateur level teams lose confidence and then come back. I’m not a Melbourne supporter but this has nothing to do with the pre-season. They are just a bit off atm.
They’ll probably win next week and the “praise” will come again.
Fun fact Victoria teams premiers at MCG 07,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,16,17,19,22,23, there U go Melbourne supporters 😂😂
Kane is a bit much pretending only Collingwood had injuries - naughton, smith, jj, weightman, Ed Richards, Liberatore + 2 injuries in the game. I like his stubbornness but it is tipping into cartoony
The afl media acts like the pies are the only team with a few injuries, but every team has injuries🤔
Kane hates Beveridge so would never bring that up
Difference between the two injuries is doggies had 2 good talls still up forward while Collingwood has literally zero good forwards over 6ft. Any team in the league would struggle with that. The fact that they also had every other forward but 2 smalls out and one played midfield time says it all.
Considerably more than 5 seconds. Nevertheless, focus was on Melbourne, point taken.
Melbourne looked like an under 11s team
So Harley Reid can’t walk on water 🤣🤣🤣
Riccuito keeps picking scrubs for coaches.
We could've had Robert Harvey, 2 time Brownlow medalist, 383 gamer and 8 time all Australian.
No mid season trades!!!!
Mid season trades would suck and get rid of the mid season draft aswell manage your list AFL teams
100% agree with Bucks about the umpiring changes. The game looked so much better for going back to adjudicating holding the ball as they used to. Hopefully a wake up call for the AFL to stop tinkering with things things for the sake of it.
I 100% disagree. The umpiring was pathetic on the weekend. Now what?
Looks like players don't want to take possession for fear of getting smashed and umpires blowing whistle almost automatically.
@@stevelozevski8151the umpires have been poor every single round this season. A couple band aid fixes was never going to fix fundamental core issues. They said it was going to look more like 2006 and how we used to see footy but I thought it was a bit of a circus. It didn't improve anything other than a few calls being called slightly quicker.
@@joshuasadler9243 they have been poor all year but this round was abysmal
@@stevelozevski8151 they were bad but probably not the worst they have been all year. I thought they had bad year last year. I don't know how but they seem twice as bad this year.
if they’re happy with holding the ball they didn’t watch geelong richmond. geelong could not buy holding the ball in the first half. couldn’t even steal one. then in the second half the umps may as well have been oprah winfrey handing out balls like they were candy. 0 consistency. in the current state of the rule, you are more likely to get pinged whilst you’re lying on the ground with the ball hand free than you are when you have prior and just drop it as the tackle commences. the rule is fucked. they think bc it’s easier to understand it’s better and it’s not.
Kane just say Ken's responsible for this team after 12 years,the club has literally gotten him every player he's wanted,but you just can't bring yourself to say it's on the coach,you are so biased
Adelaide Crows changes for this week - Out Taylor Walker (inj) and James Borlase (Omitted) - In Nick Murray (Def) Toby Murray (Key Fwd).....selected in mid-season draft.
Not a fan of “flowers”
No mid season trades. Terrible idea. It’ll only benefit Victorian clubs.
Not necessarily, there has to be financial benefits and bonuses involved in interstate trades which are more enticing than staying in Vic
@@aroy8094 I see what you’re saying and I agree but it just won’t happen, there’ll be no financial compo and chances are after a year or two there’ll be a request or a trade to move back. No one is moving from Melbourne or Perth to the Gold Coast for example against their will on the chance they may get a game on 100-200k a year. Uprooting their family and finding a new home and schools within weeks of finding out. It just won’t happen. It’s different to the off season as there’s time to sort that out, if they don’t move the family you have the same issue Damien Lillard had this season for Milwaukee in the NBA where he was miserable without his family and ended up getting divorced.
The whole idea is based on older guys or fringe players in Victoria not getting a game or on the out going to a team to make them a premiership contender.
It happens in American sports like the nba but you can’t compare the two as the money is crazy different.
Let’s call a spade a spade. The idea is floated for Victorian Clubs and Victorian clubs only
For Dees, Monday's Game = Line in the Sand ... Put Petty Down Back and May Full Forward
YEAH dude and they simply ain't gonna win the club is in skiing MODE. 😁😁😁😎👊
if matty nicks was seen ranting and raving at his players korn would criticise this and have a five minute nothing conversation about said subject..
Flagmantle
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Correct flagmantle. NEXT CENTURY 😆😆😆😄😎👊
Delusional. Freo will never win a flag.
@@Not1Dimensional never say never they are in the top 8 right now
Time for the Crows to finally sack Nicks, the fact he was extended is criminally incompetent. The worst performing coach in the clubs history and no finals since 2017. He has a worse coaching record than Robert Shaw, let that sink in. Embarassing. Time for Nicks, Riccuito, Kelly, Ogilvie, Assistant coaches, Silvers, The board to be shown the door. These bums have destroyed the club and made it a laughing stock. The fact the media isn't even covering it is shameful. They are the fitzroy of the competition since 2017.
Hope the Eagles take the two weeks, Give Harley a break
Best day at the G' in a long time and Day and Ginni will win flags together.
What happened to Petracca lol?
Oliver's dropped off and missing he's mate Brayshaw, puts to much pressure on him to handle
Snapmantle
Not a fan of WCE nor Harley Reid, but tagging is a blight on the game, when the tagger doesnt have his eye on the ball, has no intention of winning the ball but is just holding back a talented footballer, the rules of the game need to be changed
Then it’s up to the talented footballer and his teammates to work through the tag and still have an impact. It’s been done before, and it forces the oppo coach to either abandon the tag or have one of his own players tag himself out of the game
What? That’s the point of a tagger to take out a player who usually tears it up, it’s up to Reid to learn how to deal with it
@@worker-wf2em Yes you are right but I dont like it, taggers who dont play the ball = feels like cheating to me
@@ashleyden I know its the point you are correct in that. Not playing the ball Just feels like cheating to me.
Tagging to negate is fine it’s just like being a defender a good tagger will also find space wen team has the ball , but tagging and not attacking the game yeah it’s crap especially if he is illegally holding the player blocking ect umpires should keep an eye on tgat and penalise accordingly
Max King stinks
King does seem lazy and disinterested at times, and he does need to lead more. But the delivery from the mids stinks even more. There's only so much a key forward can do with such horrific ball movement and inside 50 entries
Right?! He's so frustrating to watch!
Max king should ask for a trade to a Collingwood, Melbourne, Essendon etc etc
Put him in a team that is not coached by Ross Lyon.....delivery is slow & shite
@@wino5086 wonder how long till Ross gets sacked without a flag
I’ve said it multiple times. Harley Reid is one of the most overrated players in the competition. He is good. But he is a rookie. Absolutely demolished on the weekend.
Lmao,he's 18 🤦♂️
@@fergulator7297yeah and the media act like he's a top 5-10 player in the league already which he isn't