Bucks is so right about tackling. Needs simplifying for adjudication, for the fans and for the players, as well as injury prevention will be improved. It's a win-win-win for everyone involved
Bucks is spot on with the Hawks. Last year we came in under the radar, but next year the opposition will be ready. Though i still think we'll end up at least in the top six.
I think that where we are lacking against the really good sides is in the midfield. I’m talking about the top 6 who have at least 3 or 4 genuine A grade midfielders. We saw that difference in the loss to Port. Imo we have two in Day and Newcombe and Meek is on the path, Worpel is close but has been in the system a long time. Our defence was superb last season despite being undersized (we didn’t lose games because of our defence in the run in, quite the opposite). Battle and Barrass will add depth but it’s more the flexibility it will give us. Do we play Sicily forward? Does Lewis return and can he stay fit?Can Day stay fit and reach his peak? Those three questions and Hawthorn developing its midfield depth with improvement from Mackenzie and Ward etc. will tell if and how much Hawthorn improves next season.
Bucks is spot on when it comes to contracts. Signing players for anymore than 5 years is ridiculous. Shorten it, make them accountable and go from there.
The reason contracts are long term is they are able to pay players top salaries and shuffle it all around. You may front end a could have contracts and backend a few other contracts. If all star players were on 2-3 year contracts they won’t fit into the salary cap.
11:10 - "The stand-alones at the moment I just can't see how they can be in the same competition as the aligned teams...from an AFL competition." I take his point, but has anyone told him who competed in the VFL Grand Final this season?
I don't think his point is that the unaligned clubs are no good, rather that that all AFL clubs should have a direct 2nds team that compete against each other. This means that there would be 18 (soon to be 19) teams in that competition without the unaligned clubs. Let's be honest, there is going to be a 20th team in the AFL within a decade to ensure there isn't a team having a bye each week. The VFL had 21 teams this year. If you add in 2 SA teams, 2 WA teams and a Tassie team that makes 26, plus whichever extra follows Tassie. By having fewer 2nds teams Buckley is arguing that you would again concentrate the talent following list size cuts, resulting in a higher level of play and thus, hopefully, a higher caliber of player to potentially end up on an AFL list. I think his idea is also that the 2nds teams would really be reserved for people who are committed to continuing to chase the AFL dream.
Nathan, Loved hearing your point on your junior career making it through the port Adelaide set up. What are both your thoughts on the jmpact of port Adelaide losing the pathway of teams, and the general development of SA talent. So many good players came though the port magpies.
Bucks, love you getting involved with the future of the game and society in general. The keys to the city is Bucks get a modern haircut, take a risk and get something modern fluff fringe :) The best influence is being an influence, You can do this Bucks
The only issue with structuring AA around modern structures is it will change every time the game evolves. The traditional structure makes sense because it is still how teams are named on the team sheet.
From the coach that got rid of Treloar... So families are thrown interstate without regard to extended family support... Players will put severance clauses into their contracts, just like coaches do... Players thrown into systems that they aren't happy with means that they don't thrive, lots of Hogans Fremantle style... Someone will go to the suppreme court with a restraint of trade lawsuit...
I would like to see a , A 24 game season !! Plus the Olympic Stadium 🏟️ in NSW should be used again !! There were some huge crowds at the beginning!! Would be a venue for finals etc !!
good luck with holding the ball...nobody will want to pick up the footy and opposition will just wait and tackle when they do and get a free kick. I understand it needs to be made a simple as possible for umpires but that just wouldnt work in the real world lol
Completely disagree. The umpires, players and, particularly, the fans hate the current interpretation of HTB. It's too inconsistent and leaves players confused and at more risk of injury by continuing tackles that otherwise should already have been blown. We've tried a few different interpretations within the current rules, but none of them have really worked. Time to try something different. Players will adapt, coaches will adapt. Get rid of the prior opportunity rule and watch the game open up. And the best part is that tackling will still be part of the game. It'll just get rid of the scrums.
10:15 sorry bucks but these don't seem fully thought through. I can see the validity but needs more discussion. My thoughts are create 2 way contracts to prop up lists. All new rules need to make game play easier to explain to someone who has never seen the game before. I have made a list of changes that I would be happy to share anytime.
2 way contracts is a great idea. Reduce the list size but have these sorts of arrangements so that you can pick and choose and allow players to go elsewhere for more opportunity.
I would remove the rule that says if the ball goes through the big sticks but touches the post, it’s a behind. If it goes through, it should be a goal. That will remove the need for reviews.
I would change the VFL fixture so that the reserves team ALWAYS plays after the AFL team. Hence, no players not or barely playing all weekend if they are hold outs from the VFL as an emergency, or only playing 15 minutes as a sub. If they only play a tiny bit of a game in the AFL, they still have the opportunity to play VFL. Also no VFL bye rounds. I'm sorry to those who still love the old VFA, but it is dead now - it's been subsumed.
That's not going to happen,.. Too hard to work out which reserves plays who, in rotation, after working out which AFL team plays who, according to travel and rest periods
Removing prior opportunity is ridiculous. A defender gathers the ball 30m out running towards goal. He can't soccer it for a rushed behind (free kick) or out of bounds (free kick) so gathers the ball and turns to find teammate. Bang: tackled, free kick and near certain goal. The defender should actually stand over the ball and wait for someone else to pick it up so HE can then win the free kick. No one wants to see this, like NFL kick receivers actively avoiding the ball in case they touch it and play the rushing players onside.
Bloke inherited a rabble in 2020. Cleaned the team out, finished last and has only improved their ladder position since going backward this year. There’s always a dip year or 2 in rebuilds like the crows partook in. Hawthorn, Richmond, Melbourne etc all saw the same in their times. Let’s see what he can do with a fully fit squad next year.
Bucks settle down ! Who cares where players are named ! A team of midfielders with some height would destroy a traditional team !! A team with Bonts ,Cameron , the old Fyfe , etc Would dominate !! Calma down gents !!
Yeah that's a stupid idea. Idk how the umpires can't tell holding the ball now as it is anyway. I think they are just awful and making things way worse than what it already is
@@amunt3r Completely agree. Clubs would not activate the 20min concussion protocol if the sub were removed unless they player had been piledriven halfway to Europe.
First thing AFL needs to do is scrap 3 teams as one is coming in.Every side plays each other twice both home and away.No other sporting code in the World is so unfair and biased
I don't know about that but the fixture NEEDS to be fixed. Every team plays each other once alternating home games every year. CH7 can just suck it up if it means less games. Consider a top 10, so extra finals, when it's 20 teams. That should please them. Also need to scrap the father/son draft rule and even that up. Too often good teams are getting the best players thanks to genetic luck
@@dansharp2860getting rid of father son is a terrible idea. There is literally zero advantage unless your gold coast, GWS or Tassie. For them id make it 50 games for a few decades. To get rid of it because a couple of clubs has had some recent luck with it is stupid. Having family's being tied to clubs is apart of the spirit of the game and has always been a big part of our game. I'd argue anyone arguing this doesn't understand there's no real advantage to it over other 100 yr old clubs and don't understand the history of our game. It's still a risk taking the father sons hoping they work out. Look at Tyler and Callum brown they received a lot of time and effort and never really made it, look at abblets brother or Selwood brother. Josh Daicos went really late in the draft. You win some you lose more. Just like the draft itself. Could you imagine Garry Ablett never playing for Geelong and being picked up by say Freo? That's not what our game should look like
@@joshuasadler9243 Name me one other professional sport that has father/son. It's a dinky little rule to make AFL still feel like suburban footy. The fact that you say there is zero advantage for clubs to do it is why they should. Make the draft actually fair for the bottom clubs. I don't care if the Dacois/Ashcroft cases are rare, they should NEVER happen in the first place. Garry Ablett jr at Freo? Yes please and more please. N.Dacois and W.Ashcroft to North and L.Ashcroft to Richmond. I just watched a Danihar win a premiership at Brisbane not Essendon. If you can't handle a kid not playing for the same team as his dad then go back to country footy, this is supposed to be the number 1 professional sport in Australia.
@@dansharp2860 soccer clubs have their own academies. Guess what those ex players kids go and play in those academies until they are ready to be promoted to the first team. You obviously have no idea just saying talking points you've heard. Your point about Daniher winning a premiership at Brisbane is proof that your over reacting about the father son rule and nothing needs to change.
I would get rid of all the AFL drafts and have one ! That will strengthen the game. Id have less teams ,that is the major one. Oh ,greed as well. Bringing kids into it ? Wrong rules maybe . Gee the game is stuffed now and this guy wants more grey areas ?
Pretty basic fix for the game given its evolution in speed and endurance … eliminate four player positions off the ground - it’ll open up the space and stretch endurance across the field.
All the other elements, about list reduction, further team expansion, player entitlement - resolves itself by having to make the grade with fewer positions on the ground - and potentially salary cap allocation
@@dbenincasa77there playing more games running more than ever which enhances injuries and lowers the talent pool. Your suggestion would send the game back further and faster than it already is. If anything you want players to be utilised better and stay more healthy while breeding more players who could produce more quality. Your suggestion would hinder players getting a chance at the level and that in the future would mean less players of high quality and those players of high quality have much higher work loads meaning more injury prone.
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Bucks is so right about tackling. Needs simplifying for adjudication, for the fans and for the players, as well as injury prevention will be improved. It's a win-win-win for everyone involved
Bucks is spot on with the Hawks. Last year we came in under the radar, but next year the opposition will be ready. Though i still think we'll end up at least in the top six.
Much harder schedule as well
I think they'll miss the 8
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@@andrewkerr5296 big call.
Hawks will be flag favourites next year
I think that where we are lacking against the really good sides is in the midfield. I’m talking about the top 6 who have at least 3 or 4 genuine A grade midfielders. We saw that difference in the loss to Port. Imo we have two in Day and Newcombe and Meek is on the path, Worpel is close but has been in the system a long time. Our defence was superb last season despite being undersized (we didn’t lose games because of our defence in the run in, quite the opposite). Battle and Barrass will add depth but it’s more the flexibility it will give us. Do we play Sicily forward? Does Lewis return and can he stay fit?Can Day stay fit and reach his peak? Those three questions and Hawthorn developing its midfield depth with improvement from Mackenzie and Ward etc. will tell if and how much Hawthorn improves next season.
Bucks is spot on when it comes to contracts. Signing players for anymore than 5 years is ridiculous. Shorten it, make them accountable and go from there.
The reason contracts are long term is they are able to pay players top salaries and shuffle it all around. You may front end a could have contracts and backend a few other contracts.
If all star players were on 2-3 year contracts they won’t fit into the salary cap.
11:10 - "The stand-alones at the moment I just can't see how they can be in the same competition as the aligned teams...from an AFL competition."
I take his point, but has anyone told him who competed in the VFL Grand Final this season?
I don't think his point is that the unaligned clubs are no good, rather that that all AFL clubs should have a direct 2nds team that compete against each other. This means that there would be 18 (soon to be 19) teams in that competition without the unaligned clubs. Let's be honest, there is going to be a 20th team in the AFL within a decade to ensure there isn't a team having a bye each week. The VFL had 21 teams this year. If you add in 2 SA teams, 2 WA teams and a Tassie team that makes 26, plus whichever extra follows Tassie. By having fewer 2nds teams Buckley is arguing that you would again concentrate the talent following list size cuts, resulting in a higher level of play and thus, hopefully, a higher caliber of player to potentially end up on an AFL list. I think his idea is also that the 2nds teams would really be reserved for people who are committed to continuing to chase the AFL dream.
⚠️ 📢 🚨 I actually agree with Tom Morris for once... crowds still shouts "ball" after every tackle. It's cooked
Nathan, Loved hearing your point on your junior career making it through the port Adelaide set up. What are both your thoughts on the jmpact of port Adelaide losing the pathway of teams, and the general development of SA talent. So many good players came though the port magpies.
Their input is far more valuable then any one in the media who has not played at at the top level.
Bucks is the best. Love his read on this bigger picture stuff
Bucks, love you getting involved with the future of the game and society in general. The keys to the city is Bucks get a modern haircut, take a risk and get something modern fluff fringe :) The best influence is being an influence, You can do this Bucks
The only issue with structuring AA around modern structures is it will change every time the game evolves. The traditional structure makes sense because it is still how teams are named on the team sheet.
From the coach that got rid of Treloar...
So families are thrown interstate without regard to extended family support...
Players will put severance clauses into their contracts, just like coaches do...
Players thrown into systems that they aren't happy with means that they don't thrive, lots of Hogans Fremantle style...
Someone will go to the suppreme court with a restraint of trade lawsuit...
😂😂😂
I would like to see a ,
A 24 game season !!
Plus the Olympic Stadium 🏟️ in NSW should be used again !!
There were some huge crowds at the beginning!!
Would be a venue for finals etc !!
good luck with holding the ball...nobody will want to pick up the footy and opposition will just wait and tackle when they do and get a free kick. I understand it needs to be made a simple as possible for umpires but that just wouldnt work in the real world lol
You’ve seen how quickly and easily players can get rid of it when they want to. They just play dumb when they want to hold up play.
@@ShoeSnatchinWilly
Yes
Completely disagree. The umpires, players and, particularly, the fans hate the current interpretation of HTB. It's too inconsistent and leaves players confused and at more risk of injury by continuing tackles that otherwise should already have been blown. We've tried a few different interpretations within the current rules, but none of them have really worked. Time to try something different. Players will adapt, coaches will adapt. Get rid of the prior opportunity rule and watch the game open up. And the best part is that tackling will still be part of the game. It'll just get rid of the scrums.
@@hamleynget rid of prior and it might as well be touch footy automatic free kick. Would be awful
10:15 sorry bucks but these don't seem fully thought through. I can see the validity but needs more discussion.
My thoughts are create 2 way contracts to prop up lists.
All new rules need to make game play easier to explain to someone who has never seen the game before.
I have made a list of changes that I would be happy to share anytime.
2 way contracts is a great idea. Reduce the list size but have these sorts of arrangements so that you can pick and choose and allow players to go elsewhere for more opportunity.
Tom Morris talking about Media accuracy is Hilarious
Agree Bucks is spot on . Remember Collingwood teams smashing/ragdolling teams with tackles .
Sort the ridiculous holding the ball mess out
hear hear
I would remove the rule that says if the ball goes through the big sticks but touches the post, it’s a behind. If it goes through, it should be a goal. That will remove the need for reviews.
No one yells Ball anymore because Dees supporters stopped showing up to games. Thats all they do.
I would change the VFL fixture so that the reserves team ALWAYS plays after the AFL team.
Hence, no players not or barely playing all weekend if they are hold outs from the VFL as an emergency, or only playing 15 minutes as a sub. If they only play a tiny bit of a game in the AFL, they still have the opportunity to play VFL.
Also no VFL bye rounds.
I'm sorry to those who still love the old VFA, but it is dead now - it's been subsumed.
That's not going to happen,..
Too hard to work out which reserves plays who, in rotation, after working out which AFL team plays who, according to travel and rest periods
Real VFL comment too
If players play as a sub in AFL, you think they'll fly home to play a VFL game?
@@grantsmith505 yes, especially if it is the day after and they only got a quarter. They already do this
@@jeremybean-hodges6397
They already do this
No worries then
No need to make your suggested adjustments then?
@@grantsmith505 as in players who have the opportunity do it. The fixture should be changed so that all teams can
with all the injuries, I don't see any reduction in list sizes
Removing prior opportunity is ridiculous. A defender gathers the ball 30m out running towards goal. He can't soccer it for a rushed behind (free kick) or out of bounds (free kick) so gathers the ball and turns to find teammate. Bang: tackled, free kick and near certain goal. The defender should actually stand over the ball and wait for someone else to pick it up so HE can then win the free kick. No one wants to see this, like NFL kick receivers actively avoiding the ball in case they touch it and play the rushing players onside.
Just eliminate 4 player positions off the ground, example, two wings, and followers centre and ruck rover positions
What's that got to do with my comment? Reply doesn't mean "post a completely different point".
Yeah it wouldn't work and would change the fabric of the game even more
Facts, grass isn't greener on the other side in this case
The vfl grand final was between 2 stand alone teams in Werribee and Southport. 14 afl aligned sides in the comp. Go figure
Nicks is over rated , the coach with a lot to lose in 25 , even if Hinckly is moved on from port he will get offers . Nicks not so much
Bloke inherited a rabble in 2020. Cleaned the team out, finished last and has only improved their ladder position since going backward this year. There’s always a dip year or 2 in rebuilds like the crows partook in. Hawthorn, Richmond, Melbourne etc all saw the same in their times. Let’s see what he can do with a fully fit squad next year.
Get rid of compensation picks. No comps around the world rewards U for losing a player. If U can't keep ur players, too bad.
Yes they do!! Its called transfer fees. They are rewarded financially for contracted players. Get rid of the draft then too.
@@paulk756 100%. But only if they're contracted. If not they can sign wherever they like bud.
Bucks is in a bubble !! Yes old timer ⏱️
Just do a AA team 1 to 3 like the All NBA teams
Bucks and the others who have retired, are not trained as Media professionals!
So let’s be real about the situation!
You think trained media are any good😂
Bucks settle down !
Who cares where players are named !
A team of midfielders with some height would destroy a traditional team !! A team with Bonts ,Cameron , the old Fyfe , etc
Would dominate !!
Calma down gents !!
Bucks needs a long holiday ! What’s he talking about!
Everyone has a bad year !
That’s including in general life !
Bucks please !!!!
Should be no prior except for when it would end up a shot on goal.
So, prior opportunity for defenders inside 50m. More inconsistency, no thanks.
Yeah that's a stupid idea. Idk how the umpires can't tell holding the ball now as it is anyway. I think they are just awful and making things way worse than what it already is
Get rid of the sub have 5 on the interchange
Honestly, I like having the sub - because otherwise, too many injuries in-game can really kill a side.
Put five on the bench = less fatigue = more congestion in the game for longer. And coaches will start asking for a concussion sub on top of that.
Just eliminate 4 player positions off the ground, example, two wings, and followers centre and ruck rover positions
@@amunt3r Completely agree. Clubs would not activate the 20min concussion protocol if the sub were removed unless they player had been piledriven halfway to Europe.
Don’t be silly bucks !!
Who will play for no money 💰!!
Would you do it lol
As if !!!
First thing AFL needs to do is scrap 3 teams as one is coming in.Every side plays each other twice both home and away.No other sporting code in the World is so unfair and biased
I don't know about that but the fixture NEEDS to be fixed. Every team plays each other once alternating home games every year. CH7 can just suck it up if it means less games. Consider a top 10, so extra finals, when it's 20 teams. That should please them.
Also need to scrap the father/son draft rule and even that up. Too often good teams are getting the best players thanks to genetic luck
Just eliminate 4 player positions off the ground, example, two wings, and followers centre and ruck rover positions
@@dansharp2860getting rid of father son is a terrible idea. There is literally zero advantage unless your gold coast, GWS or Tassie. For them id make it 50 games for a few decades. To get rid of it because a couple of clubs has had some recent luck with it is stupid. Having family's being tied to clubs is apart of the spirit of the game and has always been a big part of our game. I'd argue anyone arguing this doesn't understand there's no real advantage to it over other 100 yr old clubs and don't understand the history of our game. It's still a risk taking the father sons hoping they work out. Look at Tyler and Callum brown they received a lot of time and effort and never really made it, look at abblets brother or Selwood brother. Josh Daicos went really late in the draft. You win some you lose more. Just like the draft itself. Could you imagine Garry Ablett never playing for Geelong and being picked up by say Freo? That's not what our game should look like
@@joshuasadler9243 Name me one other professional sport that has father/son. It's a dinky little rule to make AFL still feel like suburban footy. The fact that you say there is zero advantage for clubs to do it is why they should. Make the draft actually fair for the bottom clubs. I don't care if the Dacois/Ashcroft cases are rare, they should NEVER happen in the first place.
Garry Ablett jr at Freo? Yes please and more please. N.Dacois and W.Ashcroft to North and L.Ashcroft to Richmond. I just watched a Danihar win a premiership at Brisbane not Essendon. If you can't handle a kid not playing for the same team as his dad then go back to country footy, this is supposed to be the number 1 professional sport in Australia.
@@dansharp2860 soccer clubs have their own academies. Guess what those ex players kids go and play in those academies until they are ready to be promoted to the first team. You obviously have no idea just saying talking points you've heard. Your point about Daniher winning a premiership at Brisbane is proof that your over reacting about the father son rule and nothing needs to change.
Port needs to come out and tell both clubs what they want fk me he is not wayne Carey.
If Hawthorn dont finish top 4 I'll eat my hat.
I would get rid of all the AFL drafts and have one ! That will strengthen the game. Id have less teams ,that is the major one. Oh ,greed as well. Bringing kids into it ? Wrong rules maybe . Gee the game is stuffed now and this guy wants more grey areas ?
I would sack Andrew Dillon for starters. Blokes got NFI
Pretty basic fix for the game given its evolution in speed and endurance … eliminate four player positions off the ground - it’ll open up the space and stretch endurance across the field.
All the other elements, about list reduction, further team expansion, player entitlement - resolves itself by having to make the grade with fewer positions on the ground - and potentially salary cap allocation
@@dbenincasa77there playing more games running more than ever which enhances injuries and lowers the talent pool. Your suggestion would send the game back further and faster than it already is. If anything you want players to be utilised better and stay more healthy while breeding more players who could produce more quality. Your suggestion would hinder players getting a chance at the level and that in the future would mean less players of high quality and those players of high quality have much higher work loads meaning more injury prone.
Bucks and the others who have retired, are not trained as Media professionals!
So let’s be real about the situation!