Zero clearance Insert Plate from pvc pipe for Evolution Rage 5s
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2018
- I've been wanting to make a zero clearance insert plate for my evolution table saw for a while now. I didn't want to make it until after I had uploaded my review, as I wanted to use the stock items on the saw for my review. I had a piece of 40mm PVC pipe left over from a job I had to do in my kitchen and thought it ideal for the job.
The idea for this video came from Izzy swan, who originally had this idea.
Disclaimer: How I use my tools, equipment and PPE is down to my choice. I use these based on my experience of using and operating these tools. Do not think because I have done something a certain way it is safe for you to do say. Always follow manufactures safety guidelines.
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Clever, useful and well explained. I think that's all that is required for a good instructional video. Well done James, cheers mate!
Wow, thanks buddy 👍. Appreciate that comment
My table saw is on the budget side of things and the throat plate is fairly thin as yours is. This is the first video I have found that shows how to make one for these type of saws that use a thin plate with almost square ends. So a big thank you James for this instruction, I am impressed and it is added to my "to do" list now. Thank you. Tony.
Hi Tony, no problem at all. Like you I was getting quite annoyed at the lack of insert/throat plate videos that didn't cover the budget end of the market saws, so no better time to make one 👍
Good idea mate. I nearly bought an insert plate for my table saw. now I'll make one just for the fun of it , thanks for sharing.
Thanks buddy, no harm in attempting to make one, if it doesn't work then nothing lost
This is brilliant! Subbed. Will be making this next time I'm in the shed!
I cannot give this video enough thumbs up 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻
Great idea and explanation of how to do it. Thanks!
Thanks Earl, glad to be of help to you. 👍
Ingenious James, cracking use of what otherwise where little scraps. 😁
Thanks mate, I've since sprayed it up blue, so it should be more identifiable when I use it now
This is the easiest solution I've seen, thanks for sharing. I happen to have some spare pipe too!
Excellent! Not a problem, don't like spending cash if I have something lying about I can use instead 👍
Excellent way of recycling. Why.... Because you can! Good result and well done.
Thanks, have enough left over to make a 45 degree zero clearance plate also
Nice tip! I never would have thought of of flattening out a piece of pipe.
Thanks Pete, not my idea though, but didn't see any British people doing this
Pete Beardsley I wouldn't/hadn't either!! I'll have to make mine while my wife is gone to work if I want to use our oven :-)]) !!
AND, not to be outdone, believe it or not, you can ALSO make a pipe out of a piece of flat plate plastic. Just find a wooden pole at your local Big Box store (minimun purchase 20ft length) and calculate the width of the plate needed to complete the circular pipe circumference (pi x r squared come to mind). Then heat the plate and carefully wrap the soft plastic around the wooden pole and use PVC solvent to connect the edges, and 'voila, you have a pipe from a flat plate. Ain't RUclips Wunderbar?
@@darrowfortheprosecution1404 LOL!
Nice project, must make one of these! Good work Sir.
Thanks very much, glad I made one, so much easier to make a clean cut ☺
Brilliant James!
Thank you sir
Genius! Such a good idea. Need to do this on my Titan table saw one day.
Cheers mate, was one of those jobs that I kept putting off, now, I don't know what took me so long 🤣
Great video that's another thing I've learned from you #2 what a zero clearance plate is for
I'm here to help ☺
I like your pallet table. Great idea for a cheap easy assembly table.
Thanks, was really simple to make, based on a potting bench design
You gave excellent details!! I want to make a pvc plate. I just got to get wife away from the house to enable me to use the oven. Lol
Haha, tell her your baking something extra special 👍
Impressive video here my man!🤙🏻
Appreciate it! Thanks
I use Laminate floor scraps. Different thicknesses (10mm, 12mm etc) depending on the table saw. I made 12 (at one time) so far and have a lifetime supply.
Fair play to you, that's a great idea, and a great way to use up off cuts
Robert Budniewski awesome idea, I've just finished my floor, and will make some. Thanks 👍👍
Robert Budniewski . Some of these laminates are extremely hard. My beautiful ripping blade was blunted in no time. Be careful!
Nice Job, now you need to make one for when you have to cut a 45 Degree angle. Thanks for the tip Sir!
Thanks, that's already in the pipe line, 😂
Nice idea! Thanks
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G’day James, mate really creative project & I remember using the oven years ago for similar type ideas, I’m doing a whole load of shop jig projects on my channel next year & taking heed from people’s innovative ideas, cheers 🍻🍻👍👍👍
Hi Sumo. Thanks, not any videos about making a insert plate for this make and model of table saw. I've been a sub of yours since you had about 500 subs, so I shall look out for them. I'm not a big commenter on videos, but watch them all 👍
James' Man Cave Cheers mate, I get great ideas that I don’t always mention from the channels I view but I should with those I emphasise the tips that I’ve gained from viewing there’s, hey you said you work 12 hour shifts so what work do you do, I’m also doing long days as a lorry driver but always look forward to shed time, cheers mate & continue on making the videos you do 👍👍👍
I know a few lorry drivers who do long hours, I don't know how you stay awake driving. I work in the print and packaging industry, running machinery. Like you I enjoy my shop time, but now I'm running out of room so I'm gonna need a big reshuffle 😁😃
Thanks for doing the video James, I think this looks like the best design I have seen for this saw 😄👍 I just bought the Evolution Rages 5-s last week and I have to say it's not a bad bit of kit for the money and can pretty much cut through any material you choose to throw at it, however while trying to cut the very first thin strip, the piece I cut got sucked into the blade area and it was tricky trying to get it back out again and this took some time to do, so I need to build a zero clearance plate and your one is the best design I have seen although I'm not sure my missus will be happy about me putting a piece of PVC pipe in her precious oven, especially when she goes to turn on the kitchen tap and all the water gushes out onto the floor from underneath lol 😄😄
By the way, I bet you will be popular with your neighbours if you are planning on using the machine in your livingroom especially when they are trying to watch Corrie street or something, lol 😂😂🤣
Glen 👍
Hi Glen, lol didn't end up using the saw inside in the end, such was my dedication to wanting to make the insert plate I took some holiday from work to get it done. I really like the table saw, I've used it loads, and it's always performed well for me. The zero clearance insert plate does work well, I to had all those small bit slide down between the saw and clog up the dust extraction, well worth making 👍
very instructive👍
Thanks, and thanks for commenting 👍
Thank you!
Excellent.
Thanks
Wow dude, that is an impressive use of materials. I don't think I would have ever thought of flattening a pvc pipe but it's so smart! Thanks for sharing. I think it would be nice if you gave credit for the back ground music you used. It's only fair to the artist plus I'd like to know because I liked it.
Thanks, it's a better use then throwing it out. The back ground music was just a youtube download able tune. I've no idea of who made it I'm afraid
Just the video I was looking for. So you find that wood and the push stick get some resistance (I don't want to say stopped) by the evolution logo on the table top? I'm toying with the thought to filing it with something like epoxy.
Hi Mike, I can't say I have noticed an issue with the logo as u mentioned, but I shall take note next time I you the saw and get back to you
An alternative to the oven is a heat gun if you have one available and you can do it outside if fumes are a concern. They use them for creating archery bows out of sched 40 pvc
Was far to cold outside for me to be doing that on an evening. But certainly a different method that will also work
Just bought a 'budget' table saw, its fine apart from the insert plate that bends when I pass over it - I've got some scrap pipe and ply so this'll be my project for the weekend
Yes, I had one like that once. Best of luck hope it works! 👍
True, that could have been a bit messy, LOL
Instead of having to flip the insert over you could also put a smaller circular saw blade in the table saw and use that. Thanks for the cool idea.
Hi, yes I've seen that done before, but both my miter saw and table saw have 255mm blades fitted to them, so I don't own a smaller blade. But thanks for mentioning it.
MY zero clearance plate was made by gluing a large sheet of quarter inch fiber board as large as the table saw to a 2 X 4 then clamp the 2 X 4 to the fence and adjust for the known thickness of the 2 X 4. Then raise the blade. No need to remove the current backplate. The ONLY thing you have to be correct about is your measurements. I ran the 2 X 4 through the surface planer to make it a solid 1 1/2 inch thick. Then some notches for my clamps, then glue it to the fiber board. So if I wanted to make a 2 inch cut on something (for example) I just moved the fence 3 1/2 inches from the first edge of the blade then clamped my zero clearance plate down. Zip away. Done. AND after a while from repeated use in different measurement settings if need be you can always pull the fiber board off the 2 X 4 and put a new sheet on it and you're good to go again. For the number of times I've ever needed zero clearance - I have yet to remanufacture my first piece. Given that it clamps to the rip fence, it's always straight and true. And removal is quick and easy. The ONLY issue I've come across is dust collection. With a zero clearance plate you don't get the air flow to evacuate the dust and it can accumulate in the hose.
Wow, that's an impressive message, and it sounds like you have quite a cool set up there with your zero clearance plate. I don't have a stand alone planer or thiknesser so I use the zero clearance plate a lot for truing up stock.
At 5:36 as you feed the scrap wood into the saw you can see it catches on the insert plate. Were you able to fix that by more routing?
No, all it was was when I started the saw up, the blade kicked it up slightly as obviously the cut I had made wasn't quite long enough, I'm talking about probably 1mm. So just pushed it back down and works great. I've sprayed it blue and have used it in other videos since
well done...
Thanks
Go for it I have the T shert
Now that's some creative thinking for a scrap piece of pvc. What temp. Was the oven set to?
Hi, I set the oven to a medium heat, as I didn't want to heat the pvc up to quickly. It was a bit of trial and error
Hi James, just ordered the Rage 5s after watching your review, should turn up tomorrow and the first thing to be made is this zero clearance insert and one for 45 degrees. Has the double sided tape held up ok or did you glue it in the end?
Hi buddy, glad I could be of some service to you. That's a great project to make a start on, I've had no issues what so ever with the insert plate I made, apart from 1 slightly high spot from melting the pipe (1mm max) which I smoothed out with some sand paper. You will really enjoy using the saw 👍
Nice one james,i have tried convincing my wife about trying this but she flat refuses to let me put it in the oven lol, it makes you wonder why they dont make and install the zero clearance plates as most people do prefer it
Thanks Mike. I also have a ryobi table saw I bought the same time evolution sent me theirs, that saw has an insert plate made from aluminium, and they also offer 2 different insert plates for you to buy. I did ask if evolution do this, but unfortunately not
thats good for the ryobi,will you be doing a review for it at some point be good to see which you prefer ryobi or evolution
@@sandman2651 ryobi call them throat plates. I thought about doing a review on it, but I'm also thinking of selling it.
try a deep pot of boiling water
I have been using pvc and abs pipe for all kinds of projects in my shop. I use a combination of a thrift store toaster oven and a heat gun for warming up the pipe, then use a similar plywood press for flatening. It's pretty usefull stuff and if you hang around with the right people often free.
Great idea, and good video showing how you did it. Thanks. But the bit at the end where you're ripping the wood down, I'm amazed you still have two thumbs :O
Thanks. They were from my point of veiw a safe working distance away whilst using the saw.
I agree. I try not to be one of the safety police, but the boatd was 1 1/2"....the rip piece plus blade was about 1"....so yourthumb was 1" from a spinning blade. Believe me, nobody days, "i think i will go cut my fingers off." But you keep putting them that close and it will happen
@@mrkoolio8494 Yeah, the freeze frame at 5:47 makes me break out into a cold sweat… Yikes!
For about a week, I was looking for a throat plate for my 1980's B&D 9419 I am restoring. The original?..that came with it is thin & unavailable & very unusual form anything I seen online. Thanks
Nice work James, thank you. But ... how do you guys succeed in using wife's kitchen for shop tools? Not going to happen in my house!
Cheers, Bill.
It's simple really, I've not a wife or girlfriend to moan at me for doing these things. 🤣
What's the advantage of plastic vs. wood/plywood?
The plastic will be harder wearing, it will be a slipper surface then wood.
You can use laminate flooring also. The hard wearing surface is great and lasts for ever. Always people selling left overs so cheaply.
Yes, I've seen people do that. At the time I didn't have any hardwood flooring offcuts to use, but I do now, so perhaps I could batch a few out
@@JamesManCave Excellent 👍 I used the fake stuff and not real engineered wood type. The plastic resin type is much harder wearing. Anyways I hope you have great results. Thanks for the videos really enjoy them and appreciate you taking the time to record, edit and upload them.
@@richardshort4587 no problem, I enjoy the whole process of making the videos. At the end of the day, no matter what material you use, as long as your happy with the out come and it works that's all that matters 👍
At what temperature did you set your oven? Brilliant way to flatten out the PVC! Thanks for showing me how save some money by making this for my table saw!
It was trial and error with the temp, I just put it on a medium heat, and kept checking on it until it was pliable. Didn't want to turn it up to much incase it melted
James' Man Cave Thanks for the reply.
Could have used your saw to cut the rebate for the insert - bit more precise than the freehand router. Nice re-purposing though.
I considered using the saw, but the amount of plywood left attached to the pvc was about 0.5mm so I thought I'd get a more accurate cut with the router
When it comes to cutting the slot....use a smaller blade to start. The 7 1/4 inch blades have the same arbor size.
The only blades I have for this saw is the 255mm ones. My mitre saw is also 255mm as don't have any smaller
OK I understand. My circular saw has the same arbor as the table saw. So sometimes it is convenient to put a circular saw blade into the table saw. But if you don't have a circular saw that idea doesn't help you much.
@@JamesManCave then buy a 7.25 inch blade for $3
For what reason? The blade I gave cut the slot perfect. Plus I didn't have to worry about cutting out the riving knife
Did you make a mention of the oven temp? If you did I missed it. Thanks for the idea though.
No I didn't, I just put it on a medium heat so I could just check on it every few min, as I didn't want to over heat it an ruin it
@@JamesManCave Ok thanks. I will likely give this a try just for the sake of trying it!
@@SillyHerpFamily nothing to lose buddy
@@JamesManCave Beg to differ. If PVC pipe does become hot enough to catch fire, it releases dioxins into the air, which are harmful to both humans and the environment. ... Even when PVC is just heated, it also may release carcinogenic vapors that can cause cancer.
All very good. Nice video as well, but I don't get the point of the pvc top. ?
Because even with a plywood backing, perspex would be to flexible, the plywood wood work but would cause friction. The pvc pipe allows the wood to slide over it with minimal friction, whilst adding stability to the insert plate
Do you use one or two pieces of pipe , 2 mm or 4 mm at all ?. Thanks
Hi, this pipe is just standard 32mm plumbing pipe, I'm not sure of the thickness of it, I haven't ever thought to check it, but at a guess I would say it's 2mm thick 👍
I used Perspex
So, when did we stop fitting a piece of luan?
???
@@JamesManCave Just a thin 1/4" plywood
What is the brand/model of your table saw? Thanks
It's an evolution rage 5s, I have done a review of it, also on my channel
Nice, but when you will cut on 45° you need wider hole on plate
Yes, you then have to make a zero insert plate for 45° cuts, but this is the while point in a zero clearance insert plate, you make them to suit the needs of your cut
Nice video and an interesting dialect. May I ask where it is from?
Thanks, it's a bristolian/south Gloucestershire accent
@@JamesManCave Thanks mate. That was interesting to know. I have always been interested in dialects you see.
No problem, people always ask me, I guess it's not the most common of accents on RUclips
@@JamesManCave You are quite right mate. Keep up the good work.
Nice job, you are lucky to still have your fingers though! :-)
One finger one thumb keep moving, we'll all be merry in time
Can a heat gun be used instead of a oven?
Yes it could, but it would take a lot longer to get even heat in it to make it flat all over
@@JamesManCave I’ll a heat gun my wife will murder me if I try to heat it up in our oven 😂
Does it stink when in the oven?
No, because your only getting it to go pliable and not melting it, and it's not in there a great deal of time
Hi so how you keep that insert in place, is not mowing?????
Friction fit, and I cut the gap for the blade long enough so it doesn't catch it
@@JamesManCave ok u make my mind 🤪tomorrow I will try myself, I’m not professional carpenter haha so challenge accept my friend 👊🏻👍🏻
@@Romski1978 neither am I! I'm just a professional tight person, making things with what I have! 😁🤣🙄
@@JamesManCave me to I’m a chef bro, but to keep my head straight I start play with wood like my grandfather did
Exactly like my grandad and I did. Best of luck to you, you'll enjoy it
A moment or two spared about safe work practices would be a real plus, but great idea. Though I have seen Zero clearance plates made much simpler out of multi plywood or commonly called plywood. This can be found in the specialty item sections of most hardware stores.
Liked the video, hare the music... totally unnecessary
did the plastic pipe smell the kitchen out ? our lass would have a fit if i did that and it left it reeking of plastic,great idea tho
Haha, no it didn't, because it's not melted it doesn't leave any smell at all! If you put it on a medium heat so it just heats it until its pliable it will be fine
@@JamesManCave I can just imagine her finding me do it,if she knew i used the cooker she'd make me cook lol
@@malcolmoxley1274 🤣🤣
If PVC pipe does become hot enough to catch fire, it releases dioxins into the air, which are harmful to both humans and the environment. ... Even when PVC is just heated, it also may release carcinogenic vapors that can cause cancer. Not something I would put in my oven.
@@quaddad well didn't know that,thanks for letting me know,I'll get someone I hate to do it for me (only kidding) but thanks anyway
bladerunner
If you don't adjust your technique on the table saw you will lose a chunk of your left thumb soon.
Thanks for acknowledging my opinion.
You gained a new subscriber.
Thank you. 👍
Featherboards. :)
Got the idea from ISSy swan
No, I got it from another chap on RUclips.
So the plastic is laminate to plywood, and not totally a plastic insert.
Why not buy correct thickness of Lexan and make it. No oven needed.
I could buy a new insert plate and no work would be required. While the point was to make this out of something I had, I.e an old piece of pvc pipe. Didn't cost me anything to make
LP
Hi there, your video is very good, I can be your friend hi
Good idea. But I will say to be very careful using a table saw to cut pipe as it was not designed for the use. I can attest as I am now missing the end of my finger by doing so.
Did you cut it off cutting a piece of pvc pipe like he does?
Next time just buy a piece of plexiglas it's already flat
The point of the whole process was to use up some pvc pipe I had left over and wanted gone
@@JamesManCave One less piece of scrap plastic for the landfill, too.
@@ibidesign my thoughts exactly
That's a good idea, using plexiglass. Tthanks for great idea!
Does anyone know what the average size (thickness) of table saw plates is?? Thanks in advance for helpful info!
Am not your subscriber. Yet , I injoy almost all of your Video /vlog .
It's pvc or pvc coated Zero clearance plate..?
Thanks, it's made from a PVC pipe I think is the answer to your question
Very fortunate that your strips of wood did not get kicked into you face, from not being pushed all the way through the blade while you were pushing on the wrong side of the blade,, the idea a fair one, but i've found the Baltic Birch plywood works very well with half the efforts! But keep being inventive, just please be a little more careful! That blade can make a piece of wood go faster than an arrow!,, A trip to the ER is never pleasant, nor having a piece of wood stuck in your guts! Best to all Mates!
Make a plywood insert much kinder to the blade.
This is a multi purpose blade, it's designed for cutting wood, metal, plastic etc
yak yak yak get to it already
There is a reason you can skip videos you know
You really should credit other people for your ideas when they've been copied. Izzy Swan?
Helps if you read the description box before commenting
So Scottish, even the wall.
Mile's wrong buddy. Mile's 🧐
Sounds more like West Country, although not as far west as Cornwall (been out the UK for 20 years so my accents are a bit rusty)
@@markgreatrix5511 your not to far out, much better guess then Scottish 🤔
Brilliant tip but you really were dangerous when cutting the strips at 6:00.. always push the piece in between the blade and the guide
Imagination is the true sign of intelligence
what the about the awful dust extraction of this machine? this is the worst point of this saw ....
That's evolution power tools for you! But this video wasn't about that
Ha ha so you are “Banksy “ lol
I wish I had his money! Lol
Unless you live in the middle of the brazilian jungle there is probably a piece of plexiglass in some shop in your neighbourhood... so this nonsense with flattening the pipe is ridiculous....
When you watched this you must have been listening to it in the middle of the Brazilian rain forest as clearly you didn't hear me say, I'm using up some scrap pipe. I would of had to have bought a sheet of perspex if I did it your way, which wasn't the point of the video
...this video (as is) has no point at all.... sorry
To you maybe, but thousands of other people think different. Maybe you don't have the creative mind this is aimed at
@@satman1w You are a troll. Some people make things others (like you) talk shit.
It's so sad that Englishmen can't speak English.
As to what bothers you?
Geez, a minute and a half of describing the piping and putting it in the oven. This whole video should be about 2 1/2 minutes long.