Ashes of Creation Is Getting Bigger
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Ashes of Creation devs reveal Caravan PvP. It's safe to say this is one of the more impressive updates that Steven & the Ashes team have shown so far. • Ashes of Creation Alph...
► Asmongold's Twitch: / zackrawrr
► Asmongold's Twitter: / asmongold
► Asmongold's 2nd YT Channel: / zackrawrr
► Asmongold's Sub-Reddit: / asmongold
Channel Editors: CatDany & Daily Dose of Asmongold
If you own the copyright of content showed in this video and would like it to be removed:
/ catdanyru 
Игры
![[TF2] The Russian Bear Trap](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YFNSwz2_rOA/mqdefault.jpg)
Cant wait to watch my grand kids play the beta
"I remeber when"
My literal thought was I can't wait to play this with my 18 month old someday LOL
So original..
Did they pay asmon to like the game?
@@alexzander1142yes asmon is actually not a gamer at all. He's a government agent sent by big brother to promote games that spread propaganda and create discourse. If you're curious about this big conspiracy that involves other streamers as well just Google : lemon party
6 dudes should be able to click something that makes them build the raft while it's happening. Makes scenarios where you attack during this phase more interesting.
Yes. Have scouts and attack when the enemy is most vulnerable.
Absolutely. This rewards you gathering more people into one space for a task and gives the larger zerg force a disadvantage at certain stages allowing for more coordinated groups to achieve success which should be really rewarding gameplay.
Also standing and waiting for several minutes is awful, sure scouting is a thing but not all of the bros need to be scouting yeah?
Yup. It would force the defending team to either focus the raiders or work on converting the caravan.
also just immersion/general fun for the team. Shot caller telling people what to do/planning the defence so people feel involved and not just stood around scratching their nuts. if you know you have excess rangers or some aren't great at pvp, put them on the building.
@@Visher in short defender always loses
One thing that I think Caravan's should have is the ability to hide people inside a caravan wagon. It can take like 1x3 or something, but you can have false caravans or take multiple that are hiding people inside. So maybe you know this one route is being watched by bandits. So you set up an ambush caravan. You set up the normal amount of people outside, but once combat starts everyone can hop out and now you vastly outnumber the bandits. Or if you are doing a large one, do the same thing but they are mixed in throughout to protect more.
Like a trojan horse. Yeah that's a cool idea.
Then you capture this caravan and sell those people inside the boxes.
Asmon can you please review Chester Fuller World of Warcraft master interview? ❤
Absolutely this, this was one of the things I was gonna say. Shit there being some hidden badass vibing in the cart as it gets attacked is a pretty big fantasy.
on an RP side of that, smuggle some people out of a town that have managed to make some rough people super mad
The healthbars improved
I can't stop thinking about the fact that this game is still far from being finished.
movement and combat looks super bad and usatisfying
That's developing a game for you
Yes the game is in development big true
I know right. My brother has been donating to this project for years and he’ll send me stuff from time to time. I try not to get to excited/hyped since I know it’s still going to be a looooong time before it’s truely running.
The studio is growing every year, there are tons of things they aren’t showing us so that they aren’t spoiled for release, and visual polish is always the last part of any video game production. But yes, there’s a few years of production left.
19:00 - I do agree with this, as in Archeage you had trade-packs that would be dropped on the ground. You'd have to manually put them inside the freighter/merchant ship.
Yeah, who care but you.
@@leolam2445 ?
It makes sense people carrying the stuff to the caravan, not only because it looks cooler, Because you feel like you're colaborating with the assault to the caravan.
Like check the scene again, the only guy carrying the stuff, is the guy on the caravan. The other 20 people are just staring at it like "Idiots". It will feel a lo better if everyone would have to contribute as fast as possible after the assault, on building /repairing and then fill up the caravan.
Yeah I think they should lean in on some of the inconvenience of the caravan system. Like having players lift and carry the boxes, and can't attack unless they drop it. Bringing crafters and gatherers to caravan raids that can increase the speed of construction by bringing more material or channeling the caravan or raft itself.
I think a better system would be to either be able to repair the broken caravan and use it or just hijack it without destroying it.
i fully agree there is no reason to destroy the previous caravan the raidcers should be able to just take it over as is. it wasn't any different in the wild west. you could make it to where you have to remove or kill the horses as they are loyal to their owners or something of the sort so you'd have to spend time attaching your own horses to the caravan but other than that i cant think of any other time stallments.
this isn't the wild west, there is mechanics linked to the reason of destroying the caravan and bringing your own. There is also a need of balance between attackers and traders, this one of them. Not everything has to be representative of irl@@b1uefalc0n50
@@b1uefalc0n50 I believe Stephen mentioned something about this being considered or already planned. It would be nice to steel the wagon like some wild west stuff.
the idea of fixing the wagon you
broke and use that to take the goods sounds better then teleporting a whole new cart to you, it would make more sense
How about... they don't break the caravan already neatly stacked with goods and just take it as their own 🤣😂
@@benvella1728 i think the point of it is to make the defender have time to actualy get ready and prepare to take their loot back.
@@benvella1728 or if they do what you just said then that means it would be easier to steal the wagon if lets say the driver got off by accident? so destroying it and building it back makes a lot of sense.
Its so interesting to see Asmon advocate for all the "Old school,Hardcore MMO" style of play that he normally rails against constantly.
he rails trash gameplay. he foamy care for style or type etc. if it's good its good. if it's bad its bad
I think it's a testament to the developers. When it's inconvenient for engagement sake, he's against it- but when it's inconvenience for the sake of improving immersion and gameplay quality he's a supporter.
If everyone is doing it, and everyone is doing it bad; then ya, people are gonna say they don't like the style
He's been pretty consistent with his praise over the years for osrs aspects that he thinks are great. "rails against constantly" is hyperbolic and doesn't make sense when you don't provide examples.
@@tpetty959this gave me an aneurysm
The one thing I noticed during the video was how many people were standing around waiting for timers. Either the caravan showing up, the raft being built, or the raft being broken down. There should be a mandatory amount of participants to occupy members of the raid during these times that would decrease the number of active defenders to create moments of danger and tension. Like does the wagon turn into a raft on its own? Or maybe the horses are building it? Or you could make the timer dependent on the number of active participants up to a threshold. Asmond mentioned it but the objective should not be 15 people standing waiting for a timer with no participation.
Having people able to interface to speed things up could be cool, but remember, this isnt going to be a BG, or raid event. This one especially is just a personal caravan, and you're just going to see these rolling about as people move mats, and try to make money. You don't know if you're going to be attacked, or this is going to be a casual easy sunday run. And part of the danger and tension will be the knowledge of what you're moving about. I think people are gonna be sweating bullets when they try to sneak some super high value mat that's going to get them a massive paydayif they make it. Are those people down the road going to sign up as defenders, or are they busy and just going to ignore you. Or is the attack commencing? always sweaty hands during gameplay like this.
I think you should also have to account for the mats needed to build the dock to convert from land to water. Then room for the horses when you go into the water. So a caravan has X amount of room max and almost every caravan you attack is going to be fully loaded. The attackers will then have to leave some of the resources behind in order to acount for the possibility having to convert to water, and if they do need to go to water they will then have to leave some more behind to have room for the horses. Makes it so a caravan that gets attacked and stolen won't lose everything and also the attackers have to weigh the options of taking a longer route via land to get everything or account for the possibility land wont be viable and lose some stolen resources so they can take the more convenient route.
Guild wars 2 has a good system for this, Makes everyone collect items in the area to contribute to the event and a reward for higher participation
@Bear-rj7vd Yeah, but remember unlike gw2, this won't be a random repeating encounter that people can just do till they're bored and then not need to ever touch again. Caravans will be a daily thing to see on the road, player owned or otherwise. Imagine being a crafter and needing to do that. Every. Single. Time.
@@apollyon23456I would still rather have the option to run around and hold Interact to hammer a nail then stand around waiting for a timer
Gotta love the comments. „Can’t wait for my grandkids to play it“. „It looks terrible“. „Why isn’t it out yet“. „Scam“.
All of them contradicting themselves. What do you want? A crappy game to come out early? Or a good game that takes twice as long as you’d like? Or a scam that does come out early just so you can get your pathetic internet macho rocks off to make yourself feel better?
I’ll definitely wait and see, but I’d urge everyone to actually do a deep dive on what this game is planning to achieve. Not based off of videos from people who only know the surface.
The biggest problem I have with AoC is that I likely won't have the time needed to play it
My plan is to play it as REAL casual who just do farming and shit! Just do stupid thing in the game while giving my resources to the more hardcore guilds! That is what I like about a REAL MMORPG, you just do what you want in a "new" world. You don't have to do EVERYTHING
True. I’m worried this is just going to be a no-holds-barred sweaty neckbeard feudalism simulator. That being said, I’ll still try my darndest to high-level-casual the shit out of it.
Truuthhh hope it’s not punishment for casuals
Yeah I feel like you will need 5-8 hours a day min to get shit done in a game like this. The amount of time it will take to do something like shown in the video will be hard for most people to participate.
You actually will because you’ll be retirement age by the time it finally comes out
I agree with the caravan stuff. What should happen is that the bandits should have to bring their own cart and just hide it somewhere till its ready to grab the loot. That way preparation is more important for caravan raiding, and if a group doesn't prepare a caravan to haul the loot then they either need to wait for someone to bring one (which means more time they are vulnerable), or they just need to carry what look they can on them.
And I do agree they should have the player carry the boxes and put them into the cart rather than just teleporting them. This would be more engaging and make having a lot of people important for speedy loading of cargo.
Agreed, 100%. One way to handle the return caravan is to allow the attackers to rebuild the destroyed one, using materials brought on a separate cart of some sort. Just a ton of wood and some refined metal or something.
This reminds me of the Trader/Hunter/Thief jobs from Silkroad Online, a Korean MMO I used to play around 2005-2006 , as a trader you had to transport goods from a major city to another, you could pay Hunters to act as bodyguards during the travel , and thief's could intercept your trade, steal your loot and sell it on the black market
I was in a caravan that was like 500 horses+ we nearly crashed the server. Our Clan was called German Seikaku. Also once we have a feud with a other family clan that escalated in front of hotan. We killed each other without scarves on in a huge clash like 60-70 player each side.
@@IndianaStones1troy server here isro until we had the first server merge and we have to do it manually. then a lot got hacked and my items were lost gg… isro botting days 🫶
@@IndianaStones1 Daaamnnn that must have been epic xD I can only imagine 100+ players trying to get rid of the PK debuff afterwards, hahaha I loved that game ,played it for 10years +
I was more annoyed by the mass disconnects and the long waiting login ques. I remember standing on a bridge and i saw the disconnect coming. At the same time a weapon elixir dropped and i tried but i disconnected directly in front of it. stopped playing when they added all these stuff with alchemy. The last thing i remember was family clans. The Match happend when we all reached lvl 40+ and these clans kept harrasing our transport. Then we had smaller skirmisches were we killed each other in 1:1 ones.Then it escalated. Im not sure but i think inside the city the char was safe. We fought directly at the gate of hotan. I cant remeber exactly the size, but our family clan was maybe 75 Players.@@mrdeepccreep
Came here for this exact comment. Silkroad Online was THE BEST. They eventually released the European and Arabian expansions, but USA servers weren't supported after the European expansion was released so we never had the chance to try out the djinns/genies system.
the transport goods to sell is literally what silkroad game was based upon, traders transporting to different cities, hunters guarding them while thieves trying to steal them. Its a great fking idea that most people who quit silkroad's endless log in might be nostalgic for.
The caravan should probably give off loot as you damage it but also leave you the chance of saving it at 15% HP and retaining a portion of the initial cargo if you manage to fend off the attackers. Would probably be fun for both the defenders and the attackers.
i feel that if the game have magic elements in it you should be able to do stuff like wind magic on boat / put a barrier on the caravan / provoke landslides/rockslides on certain paths (this last one would fit really well with the narrative where you want to catch them off guard ). Also would be really nice if you had to do team management when the caravan is being converted in a boat , it should also create some sort of room in the boat to transport the horses or give the option to just leave them behind (because of the weight while on water) and once we reach the new lad path some1 from the guild could be there with new horses and a new caravan , than the people would only need to focus on moving the boxes from the boat to the caravan (also creating a better interaction bettween every1 since would create the need of having an actual Role)
Some truly great ideas right here 👏
This reminds me of selling dirt in Wurm and transporting it on a cart with two hitched bulls across the continent. Sometimes just the journey itself would take half a day.
I agree with asmon on the magic cart appearing. That’s something I loved about sea of thieves. You beat a raid or loot another ship, you had to drag every piece of loot to your ship, transport them it to a shop, and sell it piece by piece. Made for very tense experiences with a rewarding sigh of relief at the end.
Sea of thieves is not an MMO.
@@guillermosanchez9989👍
@@guillermosanchez9989 Sea of Thieves is not an MMO, but an MMO can be Sea of Thieves 😉
@@holysecret2 very difficult to put the level of detail in SOT in a MMO.
Yeah see gotta disagree. doing all that only to get firebombed at port with no way to defend, because the attackers are spawning back on the island is why I no longer play that game. Single worst experience I have ever had in any game
Dev's that play their game? 0= AINTNOWAY
No Mortal man puts the mouth first in a typing emoji! =0
@Aszkalon Craptivision Lizzard*
That whole building-the-raft section gave me some Star Citizen vibes (in a good way). Actually having to take the time for the raft to be built…and then sliding into the water like that.
That was nice. It looked like it was actually a part of the game world - not just some prop. It looked “grounded”
Yes all the points that Asmon was talking about, the caravan, building a raft and fulfilment is what I love about what they're doing with Star Citizen
From experience I think the following. Raft can be constructed by itself, but you can go through inconvenience of having wood, etc to build it faster. The game should let you take an empty caravan from the city from the beginning and hide it in order to ambush and grab the spoils faster but takes resources and time. That's an inconvenience that can "enhance" your results.
Think of it as in more simple terms in Palworld. Your pals can make an item for you, but its done faster if you are doing/helping as well.
In a game where going through some inconveniences or "being prepared" to make thinks faster/steal and grab the spoils faster gives you opportunities. You could make clutch escapes or narrowly save your things if you went through more preparation or inconveniences than the players on the other side fighting you. For me this could add a lot to immersion and fulfillment.
the horses just casually plodding along while they're in a god damn warzone xD
Ashes looks really promising. MMORPGs will never get me excited before release again but I'm open to this one maybe not being total ass.
Make sure you explain how promising it is to your great grandkids when the beta finally releases.
@@JtotheDoubleL Repeating internet ethos.
@@JtotheDoubleL We aren't the TikTok generation, bro. I don't care if it takes 3, 4, or even 5 more years of development. I just don't want another 50-hour-ass game... I just want to play something that is good and has good systems
It would be cool if you could cause the enemy caravan to stop with rock slides or trenches
6:28 that guy who got killed just in second: "All around me are familiar faces, worn out places..."
the odds of this coming up the second I open my browser though
Do you only open your browser once a week?
😂😂😂😂😂@@snidefultodd
I really hope they re-capture the open world economy that ArcheAge had back before version 2.9.
Archeage did this so much better
@@scottydvs You really think so? I'm not sure. I abused a lot of systems in ArcheAge which was bad designed
For example I ran to the enemy side to stand on top of the drop in cargo guy. So when people right click on him they accidently right clicked on me and hit me. Which made it so the guards killed that person and I stole their loot.
Playing AA classic right now, which is on 3.0 patch, and it's a blast honestly. The main thing that I love about the game is the economy.
I really do hope Ashes manages to do it as well.
@@scottydvs >archeage did this so much better
>than a game that has not released yet
Guys, you do know that Steven Sharif (The owner / creative director speaking in this vid) lead the biggest archage guild then quit the game after it went from really from bad (labor system 🤮) to absolute crap and P2W ultimately leading him to decide and create a better MMORPG for himself and everyone, so yes this game is designed to have none of what plagued/impacted most old school MMORPGS negatively. TLDR: He knows what hes doing
you know what could be good scenario? call a caravan when the caravan youre attacking is almost done so when it arrives youre already on the move back to base.
Or bring your own to the spot and block off the road
They should take notes from Archeage. Some of the best time i ever had was fighting over loot. Having a loot pack on your back you couldn't glide, couldn't run very fast etc. Loading them onto ships or carts was honestly so solid.
19:03 this is the same guy that would bitch and moan about having to pick up and load each item. I can see it now. "you should be just be able to press a button and it picks up all the loot around it"
YUP! Lolol u r right! I was like yeahhhhhhh right
For me there has to be close to equal risk and reward for both the defenders and the attackers. The idea of having to build or have the attackers caravan travel to the ambush location is a good equal risk. Being able to summon a caravan then just click and take everything doesn't have much risk to it. I think after they take the loot they have to summon and load the loot into their own while the defenders have time to catch up and retake their caravan back. This would add the question for attackers "Is it worth my time and are we sure we can actually steal this in the end" hopefully that will prevent just random attacks because there is no risk for attackers.
Isn't this exactly what happened?
@@ii_Duzzy Nope. 16:40 It just spawns in. It doesn't have to travel, or the attacks don't have to factor in travel time for that caravan to get to them. There is no risk to that.
Also, nope 18:20, The person riding the caravan can auto loot boxes onto the caravan. No risk all reward. Each attacker/defender should have to manually pick up a box and walk it to the cart. These are also examples Asmon makes they should do. I 100% agree. The risk and reward are only to the defenders. If the attacks don't succeed, they don't lose anything besides time. The defenders if they lose it, they then have to fight to get it back. Ultimately Only the defenders have anything to really loose in the end.
I do agree the combat needs continued work but the direction that it has started to take in the ranger update has me interested and optimistic for what it will become. Besides the combat, most aspects of this game are genuinely very intriguing and I'm very much looking forward to watching it play tested in Alpha 2 in quarter 3 of this year.
"Alpha 2 in quarter 3 of this year."
Copium.
ye our grandkids will be able to play it.. we can see for ourselfs then ;)
Combat looks good, Idk what people expect honestly.
@@DBTHEPLUG It was announced for that time frame and they don't give dates anymore unless they are quite certain they can make those dates. A stance I can respect.
@@martinkunes5359 Idk about you but I won't have grandkids by that point. lol
I dont think this will ever be released past alpha or beta
the game isn't "released" as alpha or beta. so you cannot have the game not be "released past alpha". this isn't a game that's coming out in alpha for everyone to play.
Hmm you should have to have a caravan drive from the nearest town. If you can just spawn one at no real cost, the only commitment required to be a bandit is to find the caravan. The commitment to do it the right way as a high value van would be setting up a scouting party, guards etc, and then traveling from point a to point b.
Everybody talking about how the combat looks, but I guarantee that they aren't going to put any real effort into the combat animations and looks until their technical decisions about how combat is actually going to work on the back end and how it integrates with other game systems is much closer to finalized.
the rest of the raid should have something to do while summoning the caravan or converting it to raft. mayb gathering resourses to make it progress etc
tbh many of the suggestions for how this system should work have already been done in archeage which heavily inspired ashes so its very likely some of it will happen.
1. Archeage ships also had bonus or nerfed move speed based on direction and stopped/maneuvered slower the larger the ship was making vehicle movement punishing to mess up. When he crashed into the rock, if that happens in archeage the front of the ship would go onto land slightly and they would have to back up like a car out of a parking space before readjusting course. It might be inconvenient but it made it punishing and was a good thing for pvp.
2. Cargo in ArcheAge wasnt an inventory system and were trade packs that each player could only carry one of at a time and had to manually load onto vehicles. If you pirated a vehicle, you now have to either wait for captains protection buff to take the steering wheel or crash/destroy it and then summon and manually load the packs onto your own vehicle. So IMO the inventory system is a downgrade from the inspiration but this is an easy thing to change/add imo.
3. In Archeage multiple players could interact with different parts of the ship such as sails (you could lower or raise based on wind), crows nest, cannons, radar. However having too many people on one ship would cause it to lose speed due to weight and even start to sink until some people get off.
Theres more but this is a basic overview of some of the mechancis that existed in the system that ashes is taking inspiration from and many of them are worth trying to incorporate here as well.
Imo I think the caravan should come from the nearest city, and since it is empty should move like 5x speed compared to when its loaded. Speed prevents instakill during travel, fixes the funky spawn breaking immersion, and would just look cool seeing it trot up from down the road.
It would be more fun to "repair" destroyed caravan and use that, and repair time depending how messed up cart was. Caravans should have different tiers as well so there would be also progressing while playing further in game. As to reloading cart with boxes, there should imo be 2 players carrying 1 box, that way there will be need for some organised stuff and it makes ppl do something than just standing and waiting for some timer etc. Actually .. depending how much damage you do to cart more items will be destroyed. Defenders could also think about that, when should we attack our own caravan cart to give opponent minimum loot.
You can also just hide a caravan behind a tree before doing the ambush
The loot needs to be the resources that were being transported, minus x %. That way you don't have massive gold generation and also you're deleting resources from the world, a sink outside of just crafting. Turning these in for gold, printed from nothing, is a bad idea, IMO.
How is it printed from nothing if the people who loaded the cargo into the caravan are losing all of their stuff?
@@tehgdk224 The gold is printed by the game. Same reason EVE isk insurance is a bad idea. It's currency printing. Leads to mudflation.
Dark Age of Camelot 15 minute teleport pad timer meant if you died in pvp (rvr) and could not be rezzed it would be anywhere from 5 to 20 mins to get back in game and your team would often have to come back to the teleport keep to pick you up or you had to try solo back to your team past the mile gates that are invariably camped by stealthers.
A major fucking inconvenience but one that created really interesting gameplay.
I think contraband should only be considered as such if it is stolen from the town in question or one of its allies.
Open combat like this feels like planetside 2, which is awesome
@@tristan5299Unbalanced classes killed it for me.
It was way past its glory 5 years ago already, when Sony abandoned it and they hired random people from community to "develop" (aka life support) the game.
@@AlexeyDyachenkoFor sure. They apparently dream of giving felatio to infiltrators, the bane of the game's existencee.
they had me at "plant spies in other guilds"
Reminds me of Eve Online. Really Down the Rabbit Hole: Eve Online
solution to "summon caravan" should instead be to use the resources to "repair caravan". Repairing the caravan you just ambushed seems a lot more immersive than summoning a new one.
They should just have it to where players can reassemble the broken down caravan. More players repairing it equals faster reassembly. That would be way less immersion, breaking then instantly spawning a cart, and would still accomplish the concept of defending that area control before you can start hauling back the loot.
You can also just ready a caravan before the ambush and hide it behind some trees
This game is getting out of control… there is zero chance it delivers on its 1.5 billion ideas
One of the coolest ideas about PVP caravans will be the fact of guilds solely based on Caravan attacks, and others based on Caravan protection and it will be an all out battle at times.
Silkroad online had this system as well and it was a blast.
3 factions :
Merchants
Thieves
Mercenary
Especially because there's bound to be guilds that don't just use the system itself to guard the caravan. Like they'd stay a distance away to be backup or scouts.
the caravan thing reminds me of running trade packs in Archeage, a system that was really cool on paper but in execution just made people stop playing and ruined the economy in game. the people running the trade goods carried all the risk and would lose everything if they were attacked since carrying trade packs left you unable to fight effectively so you would always lose against a competent bandit. The bandits had zero risk on their end, if they failed (which rarely happened) they lost nothing, if they won they gain a hefty chunk of money for their robbery. It always sounds really fun but unless they find a way to balance the risk/reward I wont see it doing well.
Funny thing is Archeage did it a lot more like how Asmon is saying. The packs were actual backpacks that you had to carry one per person, carts and wagons had slots that you loaded them on to and you had to pick them up to load them on one at a time. Loading ships for oversea trade runs usually required a group of people running packs up and down the beach to be loaded onto a rowboat to be moved to the trading ship.
your absolutely right, the bandits need risk and this caravan system needs to be balance during their A2 stage
My biggest red flag is this: why, after 8-9 years in development, do they NOT have the CORE gameplay mechanics in place for all the classes? All this extra other sh*t means zip if they don't even have core class elements in place. It's absurd, I keep waiting for real updates and real progress, but all they show off are side features that mean nothing without core gameplay in place.
This was seriously impressive, I seriously don’t understand how Ashes of Creation gets so much hate.
Especially when the game is still actively being openly developed and including the community feedback.
Look at when development started and we are not even in alpha 2 yet. They keep showing a lot but the fear is.. when the game releases its gonna be out of date.
It gets hate because of other kickstarter games that have failed - that's the long and short of it. They also set poor expectations for time frames early on in the dev process. There's also the pre order packs.
As someone who is following and interested in Ashes - that aside, the progress is there. I don't know how long it'll take, it's a big mmo, 7 years in development more or less, but their development cadence is as fast as it's ever been since they are currently at their most devs that they've had since the start (20 devs in 2016...).
@@RichardGAG Good games take time to be good. If the gameplay is fun, it won't be out of date. If you rush it out, it's gonna be shit, guaranteed.
@RichardGAG Star Citizen is in development for centuries and last time I checked, it doesn't look outdated at all. GTA 6 was probably in development since 2013, last time I checked, doesn't look dated.
So, considering this game is being made in Unreal Engine 5, why would this game look outdated if they do not release the game right now, as they mostly could just focus on refining the visuals when they are at the final stages of development?
@@RichardGAGhow can a game thats fun be out of date? If they accomplish that, who cares about the visuals? I sure dont
I'll try AoC when it comes out but I expect it to not live up to the hype.
31:19 even if the entire game loop was about just that. Collecting resources and transporting them from point A to point B to get rich, at the risk of being atacked and loose it all. It is still a game I would play happy.
This brings me back to Silkroad Online type days. That was an amazing system, Trader/Hunter/Thief this gets me excited. @Asmongold TV ; on the topic of not spawning a caravan on the spot. In Silkroad we used to spawn it in town and cut off the caravan we were hunting because its much faster to take out the enemy caravan and then grab your hidden one fill it up and be out quickly. The way they show it in the game, wouldn't be very efficient anyway
Scented candles? Did we ambush Bath and Bodyworks?
Imagine making decoy caravans with shit loot
@@someoneinthecrowd4313 now we're talking
@@someoneinthecrowd4313 That's actually really good, they said you can have spies to know what kind of loot a guild could have, path, etc. I can imagine some bandits having shit spies and bad info and get duped by a decoy, that would be sooooo good.
Imagin destroying perfectly fine caravan to then wait for your own to get the goods instead of just using taken caravan as your own xDD 10 IQ move
Is a gameplay decision to not make so easy for the gankers.
I'd prefer if the damage dealt to caravan affected its travel speed and its ability to support/deal damage. This way it's more of a decision on how you approach the ambush and based on the outcome whether you try to use their beat up one or wait on your own to show up or perhaps a mixture of both
You mean the caravan that's on fire? Yeah that sounds promising
@rpggamemaker6684 just don't light it on fire/destroy it and then you can use it? Iirc these caravans are supposed to have special abilities to buff/help the Guardians so it would be neat if the ambushers had to decide the optimal damage to deal to the caravan to sufficiently disable it for easy takeover and still give them the option of lugging a dilapidated caravan to a city or if they wanted to forgo that and just try and bring in a new caravan to tug it albeit with a bigger time delay giving the original faction more of a chance to counterattack. Also gives incentive to not touch the caravan as much as possible during combat to give you the fastest escape/allows for self-sabotage on the caravan if you see the fight isn't going your way and think you may need more time to sufficiently counterattack the opposing bandits
Why not just summon a caravan first before attacking?
A zergy, guild-focused, grindy and time intensive MMORPG in an era where most players prefer to play solo most of the time, have shorter game sessions (for multiple reasons), and complain about the smallest grinds. I guess we will see how this pans out in the end.
For the boxes, with this amount of people and the size of the boxes, you should need 2 people per box to carry it into the caravan.
Spawning the caravan like this is also not something I like, you should bring the caravan from the city, on that note, you should be able to see if a caravan is empty or not.
For the raft conversion, maybe not so much gather wood etc to convert it, but have X amount of people that need to "build" it, and the base amount of time that it required now, will be required once all X people build it, if its less then X builders, it will take longer
Alright, I'm semi sold.
My biggest fear is that, when this game comes out in 21xx, only hardcore players will have a good time due to how much time you would need to invest if you ever want to keep up or not have it wasted by the game's mechanics and PvP system.
I'm sure being part of a big guild will help if you're a busy person, be like a small cog in a big machine type a way, come and go as you wish because others do the same
you dont need to keep up just enjoy the journey and do things u enjoy...
@@maxrusty3596 Except you would need to keep up because the PvP activities will be most prevalent in this game.
@@Nico78Not How would u need to keep up? Just play the game and have fun. Do some gathering and crafting group up with friends defend your stuff lose some mats or win some and just enjoy the game. Its not a job its a game. Your taking it too serious.
@@maxrusty3596 Full loot and the fact that caravans can be destroyed forces the game into that serious and competitive state.
Most PvE players aren't interested in a game where forced PvP can make them lose hours of time of progress on gathering/crafting.
Honestly so proud of the gaming community for being skeptical about ashes. Tragically this is the one time it doesn't matter, where the company developing the game already has boatloads of money and no pressure to release prematurely and we can just watch from the sidelines as it gets better
I fucking love how every livestream starts with the epic music and followed up with Stephen yelling in his scuffed mic “HELLOO EVERYONE!”
I really hope this game will be a succes, this team deserves it.
Fr
Summoning the caravan is supposed to be a race against time, because once you've summoned it, you gotta go ASAP otherwise the enemies you've just killed will return and curbstomp your ass. This very easily creates tension and excitement for the players.
And the ability to pick up the supplies with an aoe mechanic is useful as you do not want to delay for a single second.
I really don't understand how people can get excited for a full loot PvP MMO after basically how all the others tend to perform after a year at most. Most of them are dead in 2-3 months.
its PvX. and not full loot. Only drop a portion of gatherables on death
It's not full loot. You drop a portion of your gatherables. You have a chance of dropping actual loot if you're a murder criminal.
It's PvX, meaning that pvp and pve are intertwined. you need to do both to progress the world.
They should put three things for me :
1) As Asmon' said : More funny animation for the Caravan's loot
2) You can't open crates on site, except for the smallest loots maybe but not the worthest ones. Those one have "Golden lock" that you need to bring to a place to open. That way if someone steals it from you, you're upset but not as if you knew what's inside.
3) You need linked crates too. Like few of them have a golden chain between them, so you MUST BE 3 People to carry all of them.
Do that escort 1000 times and winner is always team with most players.
Yall thinking its gonna flop or be good?
How should I know? It's in active development. It's just like asking if people think the new wolverine game that's going to be released in 2026 is going to be good or not. Or asking people 1 year ago if GTA 6 was going to be good or not based on the early in development footage we saw.
I remember briefly playing the alpha of this game when it was in a different engine, and speculation would've been a waste of time, as now it looks like an entire different game, and when the game fully releases, it'll be the same story.
@@DBTHEPLUG ....? What i asked really wasn't that crazy lol a lot of people talk about if a game is gonna be a flop or not before it comes out, i don't understand why your acting like you dont know, this really isn't that crazy.
looks like promising so far
Considering the history of crowdfunded MMO's, i think the better question is if the game will ever see the light of day. The chances of this game being finished and somewhat decent is miniscule, but even accomplishing that would make it the most successful crowdfunded MMO ever. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
My grandkids might enjoy playing this when it launches in 50 years time.
That is so fucking hilarious, I haven't heard any joke like that in forever.
I feel like this could be really cool, imagine Roleplaying as an information broker, go into guilds, find out when people are doing caravans, selling that info to other guids, making money from each guild, then imagine multiple guilds attacking the same caravan, then having to fight eachover. This could be great, getting rich off information.
Take in mind that the caravan summons delay gives time for the defeated group time to attack to reclaim.
Love how Asmon keeps comparing AOC QOL mechanics in a PVP event, to a single player cartoon styled survival game like Valheim
For real, somehow he and others dont understand that these small details aren't a main focus for an mmorpg. Survival games have barely anything to them so the little details can be worked on like he's asking for. The scope creep would be unimaginable.
Cant wait to just dive into this and forget that i have a life outside this game.
I'm all in for more immersive mechanics and slower things. I'd much prefer an activity that was slower and way more dangerous but converts into a much bigger reward at the end. Some things I thought about: you should bring your own caravan to ambushes like these, or, you should fight while being careful to not kill the horses or destroy the raided caravan, so that you can use to ship things away; alternatively, you could bring carts or just carry things by yourselves (way less than you can get with a full caravan); turning the caravan into a raft should also use player input, like you said about picking up the crates to transfer to the second caravan, and moving the raft also needs player input, some players rowing and/or some mages using wind magic. Another idea I had was about creating a hideout nearby to store the loot at the possibility of losing the caravan. There's a lot of potential immersion here, please go at it 100%, ashes of creation devs.
28:44 Plus, having to get wood to build the raft transition structure would give the crew guarding it something to do during the journey other than PVE/PVP
Scope creep = keep adding stuff = never release
Ugh all this stuff has been in since conception so what r u saying.
So? This is the type of MMO that you wait for as you play all the other generic MMOs
as someone who loved vanilla wow as a kid and loves tarkov as an adult, i really enjoy fair inconveniences. if this game adds a captivating story and more distinct art, it will probably be the next game to consume me
@AsmonTV
This is coming from a CEO of a game development studio (me), so take it from that point of view. I design games for a living.
So when you take an enemy's caravan, you should get a % of that caravan's raw building materials like wood planks, rope, etc. but it should be destroyed, including animals that either run away or get killed during combat. Then give Blacksmiths, Woodworkers, Metalworkers, Animal Trainers, etc. the abilities to craft PIECES of a caravan that would be required to deploy on the field that also require those raw building materials that all players must contribute to (like not 1 person should be able to hold the entirety of the materials needed, right -- you distribute that across multiple players). That's a much more realistic and COSTLY (which means MEANINGFUL) way of deploying a caravan in the field. For example... a Blacksmith may be able to craft the metal housing of the caravan, a woodworker would craft the coach cab of the caravan, a metalworker would craft bolts and winces and pulleys etc, an animal trainer could sell you the horses & saddles, and reigns. Those pieces can be reused but with a limited number of uses before breaking completely. A player would require all of those pieces to be in their pack; they deploy the FRAME of the caravan and then other players contirbute a certain # of wood plans, a certain # of rope, # of saddles, etc. etc.
When you run into a river, you should NOT be able to convert a caravan into a boat... that's ridiculous. To build a boat you need a TON more resources and different styles of "pieces" if you will. To make this more realistic, you have a player that has purchased the needed pieces and then you have players contribute wood, rope, paddles, etc. to the BUILDING PROCESS of this boat. And then you should be able to roll your already completely caravan into this new boat, horses and all. And when you reach the other side of the river (your destination), you desconstruct the boat, and you get the pieces back but you don't get the raw materials back. These pieces (crafted by the crafted I mentioned above) can be resued, but have a limited # of uses before they break completely.
Combat on a boat needs to function more realistically.... you should not be able to stop at the drop of a dime and turn in any direction so easily. Having players row the boat to make it go faster is a great way to give all players in such an encounter something to do.... right?
IDLE HANDS are the DEVIL'S favorite game. The more you get your players to contirbute the better.
I think if a group is prepairing to raid another caravan, they should have to bring their own wagon from some town ahead of time, and stash it somewhere near the area. That way it requires people to plan for it, instead of just farming it from people. Either they do that, or someone has to go to the nearest town and ride one back themselves. Then after they break the caravan they are attacking, they pull it out from wherever they hid it, everyone has to help load it, then they have to defend it the rest of the way to where they are taking it.
EverQuest had Swashbucklers in the Big Tunnel, who traded to anyone, regardless of race or factions. It was also the Birthplace of the first open players market before player trader vendors were created. It was fun to shop the Individual player, going thru market and the aisles.
TBH I can really empathize with Asmond's way of desiring a bit more tedium in these games. I want to be left behind if I fall overboard, I do want my boat to crash if I don't stop soon enough, and I think having provisions dedicated to building the docks would be great as well. Like make a cargo slot or 2 be filled with these materials for it. Or make it a modular upgrade you can put on before each caravan begins. Maybe one gives better traction in muddy environments whereas the others might make you not have to gather materials for the dock at the cost of additional weight or loss in speed etc etc.
What scares me a bit is how hidden some content is to solo players / smaller groups.
If you're not in a guild of 40+ active players, you won't have access to altering the nodes, caravan raids, guild mounts, good flying mounts at all as far as I understood, etc.
I think that's fine with caravans and guild wars / influence on taxes etc. Those are side games to the core game - but mounts shouldn't be bound to being top 3% in raids (purely big guilds then) and the caravans I'd love to see in smaller scale, too - not transporting huge distances, but with smaller groups etc.
Fighting looks meh & there is sooo much polishing needed.
Have people help with the caravan-> ship transforming should speed it up, effects look janky, no waves, spell effects seem outdated (esp ice and fire - lightning I'm not sold on either - would love some more light effects / purple hues in it maybe), flying downwards should speed you up, much of what Asmon said I agree with - make players work more for their achievements, else it doesn't feel right :x
Not hyped for it, but still keeping an open eye. Def not a preorder for me so far~
Def should be more of a building aspect on all the player sides, like a build timer bar and the more people working on the structure the faster it goes, so when combat happens some people will have to stop working to defend it so it gets built slower. Instead of like, ordering a new caravan to instantly pop up at your location maybe have them gather materials nearby or even from the caravans loot itself to repair the same caravan you destroyed to use it for yourself. In that case an incentive not to kill the horses otherwise you have to provide your own.
The problem with a slow project, as in any kind of work or field is that by the time you complete it, the people don't need it anymore, because something else has come up in shorter time period and it's newer.
My input - I largely agree with Asmons feedback - instead of standing around waiting for caravan, or for the caravan to convert to raft, you should craft it with skill trees and wood and nails, premade wheels etc (think of a traffic jam, what feels better, waiting for traffic to move or taking a side route that might be slower but at least you're driving and making progress). But also if people are often converting caravans to rafts because of the good river systems, the caravan should already be built to float, definitely can be built in a way it doesn't need complete deconstruction and reconstruction... maybe a higher level caravan is amphibious. Horses should board the caravan as well. And finally, when the wind is calm, you don't raise a sail, that does nothing. You row the boat unless the currents provide enough movement.
Horses should board the raft*
Instead of waiting for a caravan to magically spawn, you should have to build a new caravan or repair the old one to take over it depending on how much damage you did to it while commandeering it. You could have skills regarding lumberjacking, carpentry etc that would speed this up. And while you're building a caravan in the wild you need defenders to stay vigilant as you're vulnerable to potential counter attacks.
I kinda feel like the entire MMO thing is just outdated in general.... they release a new one, there's hype and it dies off... only OGs stay with a decent player count but even those are kinda dead.
Unfortunately people nowadays want to be scammed playing Genshin, that is the world we are in.
Imo MMO's are the ultimate live service games.
Developing an MMO takes 4-6 years on the short end and costs a bunch of money. Also the systems in place have to have a good kind of balance, gameplay and social wise.
Earlier WOW was so popular because the game was great, a lot of good, deeply thought through content with the social aspect embedded into the game, it just got worse and worse over time.
If you can develop and maintain a high quality MMO, it's a literal goldmine, it's just incredibly hard to pull it off and end up with a high quality game, because MMO's have to be so complex.
Hello Fellow Humans,
I am actually very excited about this game. About caravans, I agree. I would say you need 1-2 people who are Craftsmen and at a certain level in this craft to take the broken caravan and rebuild it. Maybe they have to get supplies from trees around you. To make a new wheel it repairs damage. Then yeah you cart the supplies away yourself as a raid. My only thought about this is what about those people who join and are alone and the raid just kicks them and they get nothing. It will make solo players or players like me who are disabled and can't play all the time because of pain. So I can't commit to raiding 3 days a week because I may be asleep or in too much pain. However that means I will almost never get to do a caravan. Which I would not mind but it would be annoying to miss out on things like this. So there needs to be a way to get loot evenly spread amongst players in the raid and if another caravan starts to get supplies to the town you are auto joined. Maybe it's an area thing. As long as you're in this area you are a part of this raid thing. Also this will end up happening a ton. Notice all the loot in the ground that can't be picked up. You know some A hole is going to click every single box just to be a D. Just to make it so you can't take the boxes. This needs to change to let people loot and then go away and let others caravan and pick everything up as if no one looted at all. Now if you looted then you can't get caravan loot. So this would prevent looting then joining the caravan and getting double loot. But if you don't loot and you do the caravan you get so much more loot.
Dark ages of Camelot you had siege builders. You had to help carry wood and metal. This one person couldn't carry everything so you had to rely on players to help carry materials for a ram or catapult. So people should have to build and others bring wood and metal. So in the boat scene or even the caravan scene. Some build and others defend and others gather materials or give materials.
I cant wait to play this with my great grandchildren when it will be released "soon".
It's interesting to see how tipping culture varies around the world, and how different countries approach it. It seems like there are valid arguments for both sides. However, it's important to remember that ultimately, tipping should be a personal choice based on the quality of service received.
@nuqi what video are you watching? 😂 but yes totally agree lolol!
ChatGPT moment
This kind of Caravan System exists in an old game called Silkroad and I never understood why no other developer was introducing a simular system like this into their game. Its super fun and keeps player interacting with each other.
Feels like the caravan system could use a little more influence from Archeage, with transporting goods crates more manually
Would be kind of cool if you could turn your caravan into a shop. Like be a wandering merchant and pull up to people harvesting and straight up trade or sell stuff.
i think the caravan you summon to take the loot should just pop up int he neareast city and auto run to your location, it can be attacked on its way there and youll have to protect it a bit at least
When they were converting the caravan to and from boat, they needed to assign more handiwork pals to work on it and speed it up. I suggest Anubis with handiwork 4.
I think making the caravan physically come from a town would be difficult and make it easy for other players to cheese. Loading wise I think it would look more immersive for the caravan to spawn/ride in from a couple meters out when it's time to spawn and load.
The goal of "Caravan PVP" is to bring items from 1 town to another, but the Caravan itself should just be one of the means of doing so.
Imo there should be multiple tiers of transporting items. A player should be able to carry a single item on themselves and walk to the next town if they want to, maybe they can get a pull cart and pull it to transfer more items. Get a bigger cart and throw a horse at the front for more efficiency, and finally this big caravan with multiple horses.
The bandits should have to make a choice, either spend time building a big caravan thats tankier and frees up more players for defence at the cost of giving the other group time to respawn, regroup and potentially retake the caravan. Or they can literally pull out a dozen smaller pull carts and leg it to the city quickly, at the cost of having more people dedicated to transporting than defence.
A thing I'm curious about is how it'd work with others in your guild tailing behind or walking near the caravan as backup. As well as if you can have people inside the caravan that pop out when shit hits the fan. Like imagine you're attacking a mid level looking caravan and the moment you do a max level Chad bursts out and starts kicking your shit in.
That looks highly dependent on player count and if new world was an indication world pvp centered mmo's die fast as the pvp crowd is usually loyal but it scares away the casuals and the pve crowd that can't be bothered dealing with grefing, ganking and noob bashing whilst leveling and progressing.
In short pvp is hard to pull off well and even harder to balance and risky as hell to use as a core mechanic as it can kill the entire game.