I drove Polestar 2 LR SM refresh until the battery died
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Seems like Polestar have invented a backup energy source for low battery situations, they start pulling zeropoint energy from the quantum foam of the universe and suddenly you have a one thousand kilometer range! Wow. They should just remove the battery and drive with zeropoint energy all the time. Without the battery mass you could get like 2000 km range? 😅
Lol 😂
They stole the ZPMs from Atlantis.
@@gokkiyoutubelove it
Funny that you charge quite a time at 0% with 150 kW. That means you sucked the battery quite everything out (twice). Good job! thanks!
i wonder if those other Kempower satellites would have had higher output. Usually what i have seen is satellites with 2 cables are 150kw or 375A but those with 1 cable can be up to 500A. Thank you for testing! always interesting to see how cars behave!
You're getting old, mate! Didn't drive it to the bitter end. ;-)
I think *you're* getting old since you don't see the point and value of this test...
Just kidding, Björn. I get the point. But you're right, I'm old already. 😊
Thanks for taking the time to make this test. As a PS2 owner I have wondered how my car would behave in a low-SoC situation, and thanks to this test, now I know :) Thanks again.
While i can understand that you like to keep everything safe, i would like to see how the car finally dies and also if restarting is possible to get one more shot to get it off the road to a safe location. That the range estimator goes bananas is a bug Polstar should have caught during development. Just shows how unfinished vehicles get released the the customer, the beta tester.
8:35 not keep’g going further? We all want to see the real, physical stop 😮 Best with cam outside and warning west and that sh***t! Keep on doing mate!
Really want to buy one used. In the US now, you can easily get one for only $30,000 usd! That is so much cheaper than new and have always loved the styling and interior more than M3
Thanks for this very informative documentary - and thanks to this particular Thunder Polestar for being the Guinea pig. Good to know that if I ever miscalculate in my P2 RWD that there is still some gas in the tank!
I think the charge port should be same side as steering wheel for what every country. Since when you go home you can open the door step back and plug in ... done.
Also if have to park in a tight spot you'll make room to open the driver's door and so you'll have room for charger
20km after reaching 0% battery, I call that a win. That’s impressive!
I was looking for such TLDR; comment! thanks ! :D
The winner is Tesla Model 3 with 6.9 kWh and 56 km after 0 %.
@@bjornnyland Tesla is winning overall in the EV segment. No doubt. I like competition ☺️ and so far Polestar is doing a good job
@@bjornnyland sooo after it reached 0% - it stil hass 35% capacity of my egolf :D :D :D :D
@@bjornnyland Impressive, but most likely the BMS did not estimate the full battery capacity correctly. If I remember correctly, car was brand new, not many charging cycles so BMS was overly pessimistic of the displayed percentage and range. 6.9 kWh lower buffer is way too much even for Tesla.
Thanks for another great video:)! Although I hope never to be in that situation with my own Polestar 2, it's comforting to know what to expect should it happen. FYI regarding the conflicting range estimates, a recent OTA update added a setting to let you change the dash range display so it is fed from the more realistic range assistant app that accounts for current conditions (driver & climate influences). Every single OTA update I've got in more than two years now has come with at least one little improvement like this. As for the projected range numbers going berserk, I bet the developer would claim that's a "feature" to get your attention in case you didn't notice you had run the car down to 0%.
I think polestar watched your vdo and beat your tests 😁
Maybe controversial but you can put "and this happened..." at the end of the video title. Sounds clickbaity and it is but I guess it works since lots of people are using it. Again, it's controversial.
I always look forward to seeing your thumbnails 😂
Yeah, they’re hilarious! 😂😂
the chances of you having to charge on the road, means having Charge port same side as Tesla chargers means you can properly use NACS (north America tesla chargers), where this would have been more of a danger if you have to stand for like 5 minutes holding a gas tank to ICE car on the left side, not an issue on EV. You're more likely to get towed than charged. Even in US. where you can use F-150 to charge another car, it would take FOREVER to do that, and it would be more convenient to hook up car and tow it.
Brilliant test 👏
Lol just watched the 1000km video and now this car estimate is 1008 km 🤣
Do you think the 0% range is due to the difference between the 75kW available battery and the 78kW actual battery?
"You get all the comfort all the way to the end".
In case there's an imminent meteor strike I'm driving one of these to a place with the best view of the sky.
thumbs up for the creative thumbnail 9:03 😂
4:10 TB‘s improvisation talent is outstanding 🤣
Thanks for the time stamp. That is a really funny part 😁
excuse me did he just say "Slave Battery" and "Master Battery"?
IN case you get in same situation, Call a tow truck.
Good video, Bjorn!
He reminds me of an Asian-Arnold. : ) So funny.
I have the P2 LR SM but the 78Kwh (I think this one is 82) Lowest I have chanced is 4%, I did think though that the first 10% was supposed to be controlled to a lower Kwh, like the last 10% which isn't worth using when out and about (drops to about 48Kwh after 90%, only do 100% on my home charger because of this. Fastest I have had is 154Kw speed (Once)
Tried Kempower for the first time this summer and was like: Of course! (facepalm!) Why aren't all chargers like this!? 😀
He is so smart, best BEV channel, shows every situation. Carry batteries adds weight, BUT is very smart for emergency.
wierd, I get turtle mode when mine reaches 7%. Feels like it has maybe 60hp when max accelerating. Mine is a 2021 tho
8:00 interesting would be, how a car act after a certain degredation. Is it still behave like a nearly new one? Going 20 km below zero for sure for example?
Why don't cars have charging ports on both sides? Laptops have that nowadays... :D
Better test location then circles at ikea
Test takes 1-2 hours extra.
Does the ecoflow charge the car with the single AC plug, or do I still need a grounding?
Hit the "kogg wheel" while in range assistant and select the "real" remaining instead of the projected as per default.
😂 u r funny
Could you do a zero mile test with one of the Stellantis eCMP cars?
I could not find a good reference for what to expect (carwow did not describe what happened in their video very well). I never went below 3% in my e-208 over 15 months (only a few times below 8%) and never saw turtle, but it's always good to be prepared and informed.
I can answer to you because when I had it, I drove my e-208 until it died. It was back in 2021 so I hope a lot of changes has been made to the BMS, but still interesting to share.
I got the turtle at around 4% left, I parked it in my garage and cranked the heat to the max to discharge it to 0%.
Between 4% and the shutdown, I had literally a dozen messages saying that the battery is too low.
Then finally when the car shutdown, I had a message saying electrical system fault.
Back then there was a known fault in the BMS which didn't allow to either charge or discharge the car when it hit true 0%.
I had to disconnect the 12V battery, wait 10 seconds, and reconnect it again.
Then I could charge.
I saw no change in my range or SOH back then.
@@robinm.6007 Great, thanks!
It's not from driving, so you cannot judge the power limit etc, but still very helpful. Good to know the AC will happily run till the end and warnings are plentiful.
Can you guess how much is there "below zero", if anything, based on how long it took to burn through it till dead with the AC heat? From what I found so far it seems there is really no accessible emergency buffer below zero. And turtle onset may be based on cell voltage or similar, rather than SoC, as I didn't get it at 3% - and heard others got it as high as 6% and as low as 2%.
If you saw SoH, were you using OBD? If so, do you remember what was the lowest cell voltage before dying? I still had decent 3.35V at 3% (dipping slightly below 3.3V under max load) and about 25kW power limit.
@@Tomaskom I would say I spent half an hour with the heat cranked up to the max.
I parked my car with 0% displayed, it was really stressful, let me explain.
I was in my street happily, because I just did 2 hard accelerations and the SOC dropped from 4% to 1%, then 0% in a few seconds. It was less than 300 meters total to burn that energy.
I don't think I reached 0% SOC, I think the BMS was wonky.
But back then it was scary because the car was sluggish.
Maybe my battery was uncalibrated or unbalanced, the car had 5.000kms and was 6 months old, but it stayed 3 months parked at the dealership for multiple issues, which could explain the weird behavior when I reached the bottom of pack.
I think there was in 2021 a good 2-3 KWh buffer in those cars, give or take a few hundreds Wh.
Also it was in summer and the battery was warm, ambient temp was around 30°c, even in my garage.
Back then the BMS was really different than now, so don't take my words for any value I give, I think and hope Peugeot made good progress on that, because wow the BMS was... questionable sometimes.
I used Car Scanner yes, but at that time I didn't think about writing everything up, which is something I do now with my Model 3.
@@robinm.6007 Exactly as you say, the SoC can drop fast near the end if the BMS hasn't seen it for a while, or if the cells are not well balanced. If that happened driving straight from the dealership where it sat for months, both factors could be at play.
Full heat is at least 5kW, so 2-3kWh makes perfect sense over half an hour. The total buffer is 5kWh AFAIK (50kWh nominal, 45 usable), but I believe those 5kWh should not be accessible, also part is on the top and part bottom.
Btw mine is very early production (registered Feb 2020) and I got it secnd hand before summer last year. So I'd assume it would be similar, although I got all the firmware (BMS and such) updated in January on my request.
Car Scanner records and stores the readings, unless you disable it, that's how I found the values I just wrote. But it's a long time and you might have swapped phones or wiped it in the meantime.
@@Tomaskom I did the test a few months after getting it back from repairs, so I would say the battery saw a large scale of the SOC, I usually drove down to 10% and recharged back to 100% as my only charging equipment was a GreenUp at work back then.
Peugeot also did a weird thing back then : 100% was only 41KWh as owners complained not to have regen braking at 100% (which is normal but Peugeot customers weren't tech savvy and didn't have the same EV knowledge as an early Tesla adopter for example).
It was quite a weird BMS back then, I hope things have improved now!
Good idea to ask for all updates, as Peugeot had a really shitty charging curve before mid to end of 2021.
I don't have anymore the phone I used for Car Scanner sadly, I can't give you any value.
Volvo has the new Archon tech in their batteries. That's why the impressive range.
"Something wrong with your country not your car"😅😅😅
Where are links for emergency batteries?
really like this test series
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Nice. Love this test. This and Geilo test.
Can you dc charge an American Tesla model 3/y with the nacs/chademo adapter in Europe?
Every car in Europe has the same plug CCS2 so no adapter needed
@@ralanham76 but, if you were to take an American car to the Europe. Can you use the Chademo chargers? US tesla dont use ccs2
@@EVunedited not sure, there's not a lot of vehicles sold in US with chademo, mainly the leaf. Do you already own one that you plan to move?
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20:34 "Ei, minulla ei ole" There you go 😁
The charge port could be on both sides. I wish more manufacturers would do that. :)
maybe its better to have the triangle on top... seems very hard to observe lying lonely in the middle of the road far from you
That's a good joke right there! You know where it's supposed to be, right?
@@bjornnyland yes I loosely described it in my comment... Seems to me hard to observe and easy to ignore
Great video !!
Battery degradation: 📈📈📈📈📈
It's actually not that bad as long as the battery isn't at a very low SoC for a long time. Also in comparison to e.g. laptops and smartphones the 0% is really high
Unfortunately, we did not see the voltage of the individual cells when fully discharged. It shouldn't drop below about 3.2 volts from when accelerated degradation begins.
Bjorn. I have a 2022 Polestar 2 LR DM. Do you think I will get similar buffer (22 KM) after reaching 0%? Just in case I want to call it close on a road trip...
Bjorn, The charge port on the right is objectively better. Charging doesn’t only happen in dedicated locations like gas stations or supercharging areas.. when you’re parked and charging on the side of the road, like you were here, its easier and safer to just handle the cables on the sidewalk (or simply out of the road).
The front is the only acceptable place for a change port.
Until you come to Norway and experience Norwegian winter...
@@bjornnyland we need a schmoo-proof charge port... on the front.