@@alancobbin Okay, well if that is true, and it really does it (completely) in 2 minutes then that is pretty good, but still not as good as many modern EVs.
Nissan went over the top with heaters on the Ariya. There’s the heat pump for the cabin + battery, a backup PTC electric resistance for the cabin (which gets notably warm within 30 seconds of start) and an additional PTC electric resistance heater on top of the battery pack.
3:27 BMS reports different capacity depending on outside temperature. I've seen 48500 and 52500 winter/summer on my ID3. This one is also with software 2.3/2.4 as seen on the dash battery percentage is missing. It is present in 3.x onwards. Battery and inside heating is much improved with the new software.
That would make sense. Batteries have lower energy capacity in low temperatures. I've seen data showing 15% capacity loss at -10 degC. This is not permanent of course. Capacity will come back if the battery is heated up. @@Orbit353
The Norwegian car magazine "Motor" used to have winter test. Four cars parked side by side, hosed down with water in -20°C. The cars started at the same time with full defrost. Normally Swedish cars had the best results...
Should have set the ID.3 auto precondition with windscreen heating and mirror heating on 'auto' too. Windscreen be clear in 5 minutes, as would the mirrors. The interior would get to temp within the 30 minute pre-conditioning time VW have set.
Looks like the Leaf was in fresh air mode and not recirculation which the ID3 would automatically switch between. So the Leaf had to constantly heat the air from -12 while the ID3 was mostly warming the recirculated cabin air.
7:40 press the 2nd button with the symbol of the front. On the line above the temperature you can adjust the van. Just pull to the right to increase power. Or look on the left side on the dasboard where you can change the front light there is a button to start a.very.powerfull heating for.the front.
Good video and fun comparison! 😀 My 2013 Leaf 24 kWh is an excellent winter car with good heat, but range is no more than 20-30 km below -10 C, and the turtle is illuminated right from the start. 🙈
@ Yes with cold battery, that is also 50% degraded. Summertime it will at least go double that distance but that's not very far either compared to most other EV's. I'm looking to replacing that battery with a 40 kWh from a newer Leaf soon.
Do you still need tocharge full 24kWh to get those 20-30 range? Or since battery is degraded it accepts less than 24kWh? I heard that old battery might require same charge but will go less.
2:42 be careful man, I recommend you not put cover on when your end dangles down like that :) What can happen is - snow-water melts-drains down the plug body and runs into the silicone covered end and collects there. Then freezes over and when you take the cover off - hello plug shaped icicle! Mine has dangled without now for several winters with no problems. After I once had it full of ice and had to melt it in my car.
I really hope you to make a video of Ionity Oslo Vest or include those chargers in some other video soon. Ionity uses Alpitronic Hypercharger hardware there, and not their own so it would be really interesting to see does those units have any Ionity only features and why they did install that hardware there.
The AC compressor itself won't be running, but the car will use parts of the AC system to dehumidify the cabin air. Btw, on the ID.3 you should be able to see how much power the car is pulling if you have current trip stats up on the main screen.
Battery heating is up to 6kW and interior PTC up to 6kW in addition to heat pump. Auto intensity setting is available only in 2 or 3 -zone climate control in ID.3. Please retest both with defrost function? :)
Why dont the headlight get deiced as the led beam probably will not be enough to get the snow and ice removed and then you get other drivers irritated because of diffused light
This was the issue with the id3 the battery pack will constantly draw up to 6kwh to warm the pack for over 30 mins every time you got in below 4c this ment shorter journeys it was drawing a large volume of electricity, killing range , it’s one thing that badly needs more work in the next update refresh with the different motors
I think that this was fixed year ago in software 2.something. After the update winter range was increased but the blue power bar never come over 2/3. So they definitely heat the battery less nowadays.
@@testi2025 i rented a 2022 plate with 2.1 software, 60kwh pure, for a month when i was in the uk last business trip, since the company i was leasing from went bankrupt i had to return it, this went back before the cold snap we just had but even in low 8c-2c it still had the same battery heating drain that the mk 1 launch had, whether it was this car or not i don't know but was fitted with a heat pump. only if i drove for more than 30 mins did the battery heater stop (stop start traffic) wither it would be different on a run i don't; know but i still felt it needed something that the korean brands have cracked, i never got more than 168 miles in town per charge down to 10%
@@ram64man yes, that is exactly the behaviour before the update. The only positive of the old heating strategy is that you had more power available, but you will be spinning wheels in winter climate with 50% or less, so it really doesn’t matter. I have a 1st Max and it’s on software 3.1 or 3.2. It’s a lot better now, especially the HUD navigation.
While charging to 100% shortly before driving shouldnt be an issue letting it sit at 100% charge over extended periods will degrade the battery faster. Similarly to letting it fully discharge.
I cannot find out which car that are preheating the batteries when they heating the cabin is it all electric cars or is it only someone is it only Tesla or what?? Ps my bank own a EQB 300 and in daily use of the car I can only heating the batterys when I fast charging the car.
Wow! I always thought that the ice will melt in an instant in a EV, but actually my old Toyota Auris with the smallest petrol engine seems way quicker: in 10 minutes I think it is dry....
Keep in mind Bjørn had both cars set to 21c auto here, not max defrost mode. It's still a fair comparison i think, but selecting max defrost instead makes a huge difference. Also, I don't know about the ID3, but the Leaf sure is a "cold" winter car. I still freeze in it with a sweater on at 25c auto, while i'm comfy in a t-shirt in my model 3 set to 21c auto. I have a 2012 leaf with heatpump and in auto mode it simply takes ages to defrost, but if i manually set it to blow on the windows and turn up the fan and temp to max, it goes really really fast. Same as in my 2022 model 3. In auto mode it can take quite a long time to defrost, but if i select "max defrost" in the app it's usually ready to drive in ~5-7 minutes even when it's -15c outside. To compare with ICE, my old 2.2 Camry would just barely start to blow faint traces of warm air by the time the tesla was ready to drive and toasty inside.
@@JanErik1986 indeed, you may be right. My Toyota IC car will allow maximum amount of heat if there is a bigger gap between the desired temperature and the actual temperature. The "Hi" (or max heat) setting will allow heat, as soon as there is some. Instead, setting 21 degrees will allow my engine to heat a lot more before allowing heat in the cabin.
@@blitzwing1 disappointing? did you read what i wrote? even a 2012 leaf with first gen heatpump defrosts and heats up way way faster then my camry 2.2 ever did, as long as you just crank up the heat manually. the only thing bjørn wanted to test and compare was the low temp (21c) auto mode of 2 different cars with around 10 years in-between..
In a normal heatpump, the compressor has a heating element to keep the oil at a certain temperature, otherwise it wouldn't last very long. I know on the Ioniq the compressor doesn't do anything for a minute or two, and I would bet it's because it heats up the compressor.
Why not put it on max defroster or max ac? My 10-year-old Renault Zoe is heaps better than both of these with these settings. Heating in the car slowed down a lot after 5-10 minutes in the ID3 because the interior reached the set 21C temperature you put for it, so then it won't be melting the snow nearly as fast.
Considering that the Leaf is 2012 model and the iD3 a 2023 model, the difference in performance is impressive, but favourably for the Leaf, not the VW.
I really love new ID.3. Best EV I have tested ... if only it wasn't so stupidly overpriced with additional configs. You add 3 things and baaam 50,000€ for 58kWh battery.
What? You lose your license when driving with snow on the cars windows? In Germany the fine for this is € 10 and for plates covered in snow € 5. Seems like Norway is a bit strickt about that.
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I love the windscreen heater element on the e-Golf - it defrosts the windscreen in 3-5 minutes!
Ford had this for over 30 years.
@@alancobbin and its awful as ever, seeing the lines all over your windscreen.
@@alancobbinNot even close to as good
@@swecreationsyour right,Fords Quickclear clears a fully frozen screen in under 2 minutes.
@@alancobbin Okay, well if that is true, and it really does it (completely) in 2 minutes then that is pretty good, but still not as good as many modern EVs.
Enabling Max AC on the ID3 would have sped up the process a lot.
Similar thing in Model 3. Enabling max defrost in the app is way more powerful than enabling max defrost inside the car.
@@SuspectOnTheLammany people recommend setting the temp to 22 and above rather than defrosting as it has occasionally caused windscreen to crack
Not the max AC, but the max defrost button to the left of the streering wheel (you can see at 4:34 ), also on the leaf.
Nissan went over the top with heaters on the Ariya. There’s the heat pump for the cabin + battery, a backup PTC electric resistance for the cabin (which gets notably warm within 30 seconds of start) and an additional PTC electric resistance heater on top of the battery pack.
3:27 BMS reports different capacity depending on outside temperature. I've seen 48500 and 52500 winter/summer on my ID3. This one is also with software 2.3/2.4 as seen on the dash battery percentage is missing. It is present in 3.x onwards. Battery and inside heating is much improved with the new software.
...or really depending on battery temperature (which although is just the same after being parked idle for a long period like this).
That would make sense. Batteries have lower energy capacity in low temperatures. I've seen data showing 15% capacity loss at -10 degC. This is not permanent of course. Capacity will come back if the battery is heated up. @@Orbit353
The Norwegian car magazine "Motor" used to have winter test.
Four cars parked side by side, hosed down with water in -20°C.
The cars started at the same time with full defrost.
Normally Swedish cars had the best results...
Should have set the ID.3 auto precondition with windscreen heating and mirror heating on 'auto' too. Windscreen be clear in 5 minutes, as would the mirrors. The interior would get to temp within the 30 minute pre-conditioning time VW have set.
Looks like the Leaf was in fresh air mode and not recirculation which the ID3 would automatically switch between. So the Leaf had to constantly heat the air from -12 while the ID3 was mostly warming the recirculated cabin air.
7:40 press the 2nd button with the symbol of the front.
On the line above the temperature you can adjust the van. Just pull to the right to increase power.
Or look on the left side on the dasboard where you can change the front light there is a button to start a.very.powerfull heating for.the front.
The ID3 was not at window defrosting mode.
Good video and fun comparison! 😀
My 2013 Leaf 24 kWh is an excellent winter car with good heat, but range is no more than 20-30 km below -10 C, and the turtle is illuminated right from the start. 🙈
Don't tell The Sun about that... 😉
Really, 20-30 km if its preheated and at 100%? Thats insane. :)
But good to know.
@ Yes with cold battery, that is also 50% degraded. Summertime it will at least go double that distance but that's not very far either compared to most other EV's.
I'm looking to replacing that battery with a 40 kWh from a newer Leaf soon.
Do you still need tocharge full 24kWh to get those 20-30 range? Or since battery is degraded it accepts less than 24kWh? I heard that old battery might require same charge but will go less.
2:48 You cant use Leaf blower on ID3
It looks like side vents in Leaf are not aimed on windows but down.
リーフは10年ほど前のユーザビリティであることに注意しなければなりません。ドイツの技術は素晴らしいです。素早く車内の熱を外に逃がしています。
loaded with newbie errrors in this video 😇👍 all for the education.
2:42 be careful man, I recommend you not put cover on when your end dangles down like that :)
What can happen is - snow-water melts-drains down the plug body and runs into the silicone covered end and collects there. Then freezes over and when you take the cover off - hello plug shaped icicle! Mine has dangled without now for several winters with no problems. After I once had it full of ice and had to melt it in my car.
I really hope you to make a video of Ionity Oslo Vest or include those chargers in some other video soon. Ionity uses Alpitronic Hypercharger hardware there, and not their own so it would be really interesting to see does those units have any Ionity only features and why they did install that hardware there.
The AC compressor itself won't be running, but the car will use parts of the AC system to dehumidify the cabin air. Btw, on the ID.3 you should be able to see how much power the car is pulling if you have current trip stats up on the main screen.
And how exactly does an AC system dehumidify the air without running the compressor? 😂
Battery heating is up to 6kW and interior PTC up to 6kW in addition to heat pump.
Auto intensity setting is available only in 2 or 3 -zone climate control in ID.3.
Please retest both with defrost function? :)
Why dont the headlight get deiced as the led beam probably will not be enough to get the snow and ice removed and then you get other drivers irritated because of diffused light
5:43 - I believe the AC was running to dehumidify the air.
Nice!
Shouldnt the leaf been on recirculate to retain heat?
Wouldnt a leaf blower blow the leaf away too?
Ha ha so very funny. 😂😂
Toyota also has the side-window vents
In the current id3 int he ac menu it has option for rapid heat and to set the blower to max.
This was the issue with the id3 the battery pack will constantly draw up to 6kwh to warm the pack for over 30 mins every time you got in below 4c this ment shorter journeys it was drawing a large volume of electricity, killing range , it’s one thing that badly needs more work in the next update refresh with the different motors
I think that this was fixed year ago in software 2.something. After the update winter range was increased but the blue power bar never come over 2/3. So they definitely heat the battery less nowadays.
@@testi2025 i rented a 2022 plate with 2.1 software, 60kwh pure, for a month when i was in the uk last business trip, since the company i was leasing from went bankrupt i had to return it, this went back before the cold snap we just had but even in low 8c-2c it still had the same battery heating drain that the mk 1 launch had, whether it was this car or not i don't know but was fitted with a heat pump. only if i drove for more than 30 mins did the battery heater stop (stop start traffic) wither it would be different on a run i don't; know but i still felt it needed something that the korean brands have cracked, i never got more than 168 miles in town per charge down to 10%
@@ram64man yes, that is exactly the behaviour before the update. The only positive of the old heating strategy is that you had more power available, but you will be spinning wheels in winter climate with 50% or less, so it really doesn’t matter. I have a 1st Max and it’s on software 3.1 or 3.2. It’s a lot better now, especially the HUD navigation.
Did you mean 6 kW or did you actually mean 6 kWh?
With the leaf and VW can you turn on the heater from an app like in a Tesla without going outside?
I noticed that the Leaf mirrors had cleared, but the VW hadn't.
6-9kw for the heater is insane.
@@blitzwing1 still a lot of energy when the car isn't moving
While charging to 100% shortly before driving shouldnt be an issue letting it sit at 100% charge over extended periods will degrade the battery faster. Similarly to letting it fully discharge.
I also noticed a lover number in hv battery energy content on my id4, could it be the cold? Using a new id4 with only 4000 km late 2022 model.
9kw must be a mixture of cabin heater and battery heater. They are separate They each pull up to 5-6kw max.
Battery heater pulled 3 kW as shown in this video.
@bjornnyland sorry posted comment half way through the video :D
what is this obd tool called i have ioniq 5 i would like to connect it on my car to see some stats ?
I hope VW get's smart and sells the ID.3 In Canada.
dear Björn , when will u go back to Thailand. There are so many new EVs there
Have you found what battery size is in the new Highland Model 3 rwd Sr? And is it the CATL M3P?
13:00 compare the look of those two, now who the heck hired the guys at Nissan design department?
4:02 If you go to Data you can see it. kWh/h!
Wouldn't the defrost setting would clear the windshield faster in the id3?
Yes way faster. AC max and defrost window setting will clear 2-3x as fast.
Press mode and there you can change the heater from comfort to eco. I have mine on comfort.
I cannot find out which car that are preheating the batteries when they heating the cabin is it all electric cars or is it only someone is it only Tesla or what??
Ps my bank own a EQB 300 and in daily use of the car I can only heating the batterys when I fast charging the car.
You have wrong setting set on ID3. The blower was set to heat up car in side not the windows, And then speed was on low setting too.
Why did you not see if the ID3 would move like you did with the Leaf?
Because ID3 doesn't have the same problem.
Wow! I always thought that the ice will melt in an instant in a EV, but actually my old Toyota Auris with the smallest petrol engine seems way quicker: in 10 minutes I think it is dry....
Keep in mind Bjørn had both cars set to 21c auto here, not max defrost mode. It's still a fair comparison i think, but selecting max defrost instead makes a huge difference. Also, I don't know about the ID3, but the Leaf sure is a "cold" winter car. I still freeze in it with a sweater on at 25c auto, while i'm comfy in a t-shirt in my model 3 set to 21c auto.
I have a 2012 leaf with heatpump and in auto mode it simply takes ages to defrost, but if i manually set it to blow on the windows and turn up the fan and temp to max, it goes really really fast. Same as in my 2022 model 3. In auto mode it can take quite a long time to defrost, but if i select "max defrost" in the app it's usually ready to drive in ~5-7 minutes even when it's -15c outside.
To compare with ICE, my old 2.2 Camry would just barely start to blow faint traces of warm air by the time the tesla was ready to drive and toasty inside.
@@JanErik1986 indeed, you may be right. My Toyota IC car will allow maximum amount of heat if there is a bigger gap between the desired temperature and the actual temperature. The "Hi" (or max heat) setting will allow heat, as soon as there is some. Instead, setting 21 degrees will allow my engine to heat a lot more before allowing heat in the cabin.
@@blitzwing1 disappointing? did you read what i wrote? even a 2012 leaf with first gen heatpump defrosts and heats up way way faster then my camry 2.2 ever did, as long as you just crank up the heat manually. the only thing bjørn wanted to test and compare was the low temp (21c) auto mode of 2 different cars with around 10 years in-between..
Nice face on the windscreen of the Leaf.😏
What's the app you're using for the ID.3?
Car Scanner
In a normal heatpump, the compressor has a heating element to keep the oil at a certain temperature, otherwise it wouldn't last very long. I know on the Ioniq the compressor doesn't do anything for a minute or two, and I would bet it's because it heats up the compressor.
Can you also test this with a Model 3/Y?
VW doesn't have multiple auto settings, only one. And it's the best, you set it when you buy the car and forget about it.
you just read my mind, how much battery uses from frozen.
what if you set the temperature higher? 28 maybe? That might be faster but more power usage?
Probably. But both cars had temp set to 21°C.
Turn the A/C off so you run just the heater. :)
Won't make any difference, the AC will not cool down incoming air to below freezing.
My car stops at 3°C. Even ICE cars have this feature on their AC.
BATTERY SWAP THE LEAF!!
Test how Tesla or some other car what you have tested in summer goes 1000km in below -10 or more.
The ID3 software is not updated. :)
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Why not put it on max defroster or max ac? My 10-year-old Renault Zoe is heaps better than both of these with these settings.
Heating in the car slowed down a lot after 5-10 minutes in the ID3 because the interior reached the set 21C temperature you put for it, so then it won't be melting the snow nearly as fast.
Considering that the Leaf is 2012 model and the iD3 a 2023 model, the difference in performance is impressive, but favourably for the Leaf, not the VW.
Incorrect. The Leaf is 2013 model and ID3 is 2021 model.
I really love new ID.3. Best EV I have tested ... if only it wasn't so stupidly overpriced with additional configs. You add 3 things and baaam 50,000€ for 58kWh battery.
You ruined the test for leaf using the ac mode. Leaf heats worse with combination heater and ac. Use just heater with recirculation for best heat
Auto on both cars. That was the purpose of the test. Not many understood that.
@@bjornnyland that's fine Bjørn, good test anyway
Ultrasound!!! That means new family member 😊
Leaf will be bricked if battery is -18 and lower
I’ll stick with my ICE car!
Bjorn it's not fair for the Leaf that you did help the ID3 by filming inside of it 🤭😩 a lot of heat coming for free beeing the camera man 🥴🤭
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30min and still not free? wonder how long the model 3 takes in this condition
They were at 21 degrees. I think when setting it to HI it would be faster in both cars.
Around 4 minutes to get the interior from -30C to +20C according to this test in Canada: ruclips.net/video/lL9zveDz8H0/видео.htmlsi=bFg9zHjmLlSMSOFq
What? You lose your license when driving with snow on the cars windows?
In Germany the fine for this is € 10 and for plates covered in snow € 5.
Seems like Norway is a bit strickt about that.
*lose
Loose = not fastened
@@bjornnyland Corrected the error.
nice with
11% of the battery charge in 20 min just to defrost windows....
Yeah he definitely didn't do this test right, putting it on max defroster would've cleared that much, much faster
Don't forget that we also heated up a 62 kWh battery from -12°C to 0°C...
Finally ... New house and not even a bloody car port ? Come on...
Lol, noob who just joined the channel and started assuming...
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