Chronograph Testing at -4.4°F

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

Комментарии • 78

  • @bobdefiglio2.045
    @bobdefiglio2.045 17 дней назад +1

    The moral of this story, go with the springer in the cold. I do a lot of hunting with my break barrels, while I never did this, I did note your findings. I have a Crosman Vantage and a Beeman Silver Kodiak. The Vantage, a gas ram, feels like it's lacking in the cold, while the Beeman RS2 SK felt consistent.

  • @donoliver96
    @donoliver96 22 дня назад +6

    Like i say the tried and true springers always stand alone and for reliability thanks for the proof

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@donoliver96 so far in my 44 year old collection of airguns, springers reign supreme by far when it comes to reliability. I’m curious to see how long the hand full of gas rams guns I have continue to work years down the road?

  • @kurtthomas4746
    @kurtthomas4746 22 дня назад +4

    I have to say you are one of the most dedicated air gunners on the planet, outside testing at -4 that’s dedicated. It’s a safe bet that there won’t be much shooting anywhere at these temps. Hope it warms up for you so you can continue your can bottom challenge or just regular shooting. Thanks for sharing!

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@kurtthomas4746 I was just trying to turn the very cold temps for my area into something useful. 😆 Now it’s 11°F and windy. Definitely won’t be doing any shooting until the weather changes.

  • @uslanja
    @uslanja 21 день назад

    Happy New Year and it is getting cold out your way! That squeaking snow is giving me goose bumps. I've been wondering how the cold effects airguns and you most certainly are in the place to let us know. Thanks for the testing!

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@uslanja good to hear you enjoyed the video. 😀

  • @rapalaron6348
    @rapalaron6348 22 дня назад +5

    Hi Buddy! Mostly the gas pistons are pressured with nitrogen gas and it's told that nitrogen is not affected by temp differences but.... yep, you proved that is not true👍I'm sure that the HW90 ram, pressured with air will even show a bigger difference. The reason i don't own the HW90 i probably have to zero again on cold or warm days every time before i can shoot it.
    It's about the same temp here -18 celcius this morning....Think i'm gonna shoot my low power Walther LGV match rifle from the sixties in a warm living room today 😉Cheers!

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@rapalaron6348 I was thinking about that, they use nitrogen in high performance sports car tires since it’s more temperature stable. I know from experience that air filled car and bicycle tires are definitely temp sensitive.
      I’ll just never be a huge supporter of gas rams if only from a long term reliability standpoint.

    • @davdna
      @davdna 19 дней назад +1

      I am glad I read this comment. Seriously thinking HW90 in ,20. I own two .177 springers and considering a gas ram. I was under the impression that they did fine being locked and loaded and also in the cold. This may be a deal breaker and save me the grand for the gun/scope/shipping. Thank you! Shoot safe!

    • @rapalaron6348
      @rapalaron6348 19 дней назад +1

      @@davdna 👍You're welcome buddy. If you have a strong arm and want power, accuracy and a workhorse than get the HW80K in .22 and you'll also have the Record trigger👌I recommend a Hawke Airmax scope 3-9 or 4-12 Cheers!

  • @notkingcharlemagne9282
    @notkingcharlemagne9282 22 дня назад +2

    Ha Ha, -4.5F, even the beard thinks it's cold... interesting unique stress test. Makes me want a fire place and a hot drink just watching. thxU.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  22 дня назад

      @@notkingcharlemagne9282 Its funny how your breath starts frosting over and icing things up around your face. I don’t care for the really cold temperatures. They aren’t fun to recreate in and cost a lot in heating fuel. I’d rather it be overcast and snowing or even raining instead of cold temperatures.

    • @user-xj3bv1wg8dcyclone
      @user-xj3bv1wg8dcyclone 22 дня назад

      Well now we know....haven't seen anybody else think about that..good science experiment.

  • @rquest3059
    @rquest3059 22 дня назад +3

    That's interesting results, I've always heard that gas pistons were better in the cold.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  22 дня назад +2

      @@rquest3059 That’s the same thing I’d always read in the product literature. It never made sense to me and doesn’t appear to be true.

    • @charlesoutdoors2424
      @charlesoutdoors2424 21 день назад

      Pretty sure that was nitrogen filled pistons as they aren't supposed to vary as much do to temp. Not sure to what degree though.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @ I’ve always been skeptical of that marketing claim with gas ram guns. Something affected this Gamo. 🤷‍♂️

    • @charlesoutdoors2424
      @charlesoutdoors2424 21 день назад +1

      @@airgunsofalaska Crosman was the one I know that claimed to fill theirs with nitrogen though. Gamo claims inert gas so we assume it Nitrogen. Turns out Nitrogen expands and contracts the same as air from what I read so we were lied too lol.

    • @RobFraser-w1b
      @RobFraser-w1b 18 дней назад

      Don't b fooled. Gas ram is not good. Actually harder to cock. Less power in cold. May b it could stay cocked for longer time but so can a spring. The big thing to me is, how u gona fix it if piston leaks. I don't think fixing a leaky piston is easy to fix. But I have a tomato basket full of different springs that could b used in a pellet rifle. Lol

  • @runerebel8441
    @runerebel8441 21 день назад

    Great test😃

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@runerebel8441 Thanks! Not the most enjoyable one I’ve ever done. 😆

    • @runerebel8441
      @runerebel8441 21 день назад

      @@airgunsofalaska Its a bit to cold for me. Here in Oslo, Norway we have ca -8C now so mostly indoor shooting for me 😅. Take care and have a nice weekend. Cheers 😃

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @ I’m still,a bit colder than you but now it’s windy. I’m glad it “warmed up” though. Now it’s only 11°F. 🤣😂

    • @runerebel8441
      @runerebel8441 21 день назад

      @@airgunsofalaska Nice videos. Stay warm. Keep on shooting my friend. Greetings from Norway 😃

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @ Thanks and hello for Alaska. 😀👋

  • @gumbystown
    @gumbystown 22 дня назад +2

    I've did many strength tests on many of my airguns they've always either been break barrel or PCP though I've left my pcps out overnight intentionally at -20 degrees Fahrenheit and shot them the following morning and there was no difference.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@gumbystown It’d be interesting to do that with a PCP. I’m sure they drop in pressure to some extent with cold temps. But with the high pressure, it’s probably quite negligible.

    • @gumbystown
      @gumbystown 21 день назад

      @airgunsofalaska with a PCP I've noticed that if I fill them up with cold air from a cold bottle which is how I fill my guns is from an SCBA bottle that if I fill a cold gun with cold air there is no pressure drop to really speak of..... but if you bring a gun that's been in the house at full pressure and then come bring it out and sit overnight you will probably lose 500 PSI .

  • @keithbarker-e4q
    @keithbarker-e4q 22 дня назад +1

    I ve blown apart acouple of chronys, just got acheap Chineseum with the arms that go out at an angle so theres abigger area to aim for. Been working fine, though I got careless and nearly got this one too. It is easier tahn teh other limited space ones though. Nice test. All the best Keith. Lights up nicely too !

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@keithbarker-e4q I’ve shot this poor chrony numerous times as well. The arms and hoods can’t be used anymore since one of the arm mounting points got shattered when I shot it.
      Mine also requires an incandescent lamp to be used in low light. I don’t have any bulbs like that anymore.

    • @keithbarker-e4q
      @keithbarker-e4q 21 день назад

      @@airgunsofalaska Love it. re use ,recycle,

    • @keithbarker-e4q
      @keithbarker-e4q 21 день назад

      and swear when needed !! Keith

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @ Haha! There were so many failed readings and curses I edited out. 🤣😆

  • @TheCutter123
    @TheCutter123 22 дня назад +2

    I may be wrong but gas rams have some oil inside them (at least the hatsan old style rams did, 5 of mine eventually lost their pressure and blew out a bunch of yuck inside the guns) and you have to believe that by itself is going to make them act sluggish, like you said gas rams on car hatches dont work very well in cold weather (below 32).

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@TheCutter123 It could definitely be the lubricant in the gas rams affecting things. My 1101S spring also has moly CV Axle grease on it.

  • @maineoutdoorshuntingfishin7396
    @maineoutdoorshuntingfishin7396 22 дня назад +1

    I would recommend a ZSHJGJR Ballistic Chronograph it works way better than most chronographs and it can also be used in low light situations because it comes with light bars

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@maineoutdoorshuntingfishin7396 Excellent! I’ll look that one up.

    • @jasonnealey8325
      @jasonnealey8325 20 дней назад +1

      I second you recommendation, I have the same chrono and it works great 👍

  • @Riyame
    @Riyame 21 день назад

    Oh, forgot about the chrono. Check out the LMBR R2A chronograph, seems pretty good, people like it.

  • @BoggWeasel
    @BoggWeasel 17 дней назад

    Never heard of a spring failure but several examples of GR going sideways... that alone puts me in the Springer FTW camp.....

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  8 дней назад +1

      I don’t have a ton of faith in long term gas ram reliability. At least compared to a springer’s longevity over decades of time.

  • @PapaTAdventures
    @PapaTAdventures 21 день назад

    I would highly recommend trying natechrony out, barrel mounted and certified accuracy. Results fly in the face of claims, very interesting.

  • @chriswedgworth
    @chriswedgworth 22 дня назад

    Crony works like I do in the freezing cold LOL😂

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@chriswedgworth my poor chrony has been shot multiple times. 😆

  • @yoitired
    @yoitired 21 день назад

    The springer warming up would explain why my pcps seem sluggish at first I think the hammer spring gets lazy when it's been out in the cold a while.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  20 дней назад

      @@yoitired it’s probably just the lubricant on the hammer causing the sluggishness?

    • @yoitired
      @yoitired 20 дней назад

      @@airgunsofalaska Hm that could be, I recently switched from the 100% silicone (was paranoid about petrol degrading orings) to Pelgunoil for moving parts, it's well worth it cus it's so much more effective. I still gotta observe how it behaves differently in cold.

  • @jackpotparty58
    @jackpotparty58 22 дня назад +1

    👍 Thanks for the tests.
    Lol 😂 Sounds like that cold's getting to you.
    How do you like those piranhas? All these years they've been out, I've never tried them.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  22 дня назад +2

      @@jackpotparty58 Ha! You could tell? 😆🤣 The idea of doing this test was much better than actually performing it in the field.
      My chrony can be really frustrating but towards the end it appears that I found a better way to use it. The Piranhas aren’t my favorite. I much prefer the regular domed Crosman pellets.

  • @jhackett9482
    @jhackett9482 21 день назад

    I got a cheap chinese chrono off ebay and it has only displayed an error once in 2 years. Just a long box with readout but it works great!

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@jhackett9482 that’s all I need, nothing fancy and I like cheap.

    • @jhackett9482
      @jhackett9482 21 день назад

      @@airgunsofalaskaI just checked ebay, they are around 50 bucks now. They were 30 a couple years ago. Dang inflation!

  • @jimashby43
    @jimashby43 22 дня назад +1

    I may skip this one and take your word for it 🥶

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@jimashby43 it wasn’t the most enjoyable video I’ve ever done. 😆

  • @vincentmckenna1755
    @vincentmckenna1755 21 день назад

    Even pcp would struggle

  • @michaelwthalman
    @michaelwthalman 22 дня назад

    Yeah, I never understood why the "marketers" of guns with air pistons latched on to the does better than mechanical springs in cold weather. Anyone living in cold climates knows how stiff air shocks get in the cold compared to steel springs. As long as one doesn't put a ton of grease on their steel mainspring it will shoot better than an air piston. I have pretty much washed my hands on air pistons and i'm in the process of converting most of my collection of various air pistons to steel mainsprings.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@michaelwthalman It’s all about marketing and the “next best thing”. I sat out the sidelines being extremely skeptical when air shocks became the “next best thing” in the snowmobile world. Now you hardly see them. Their popularity faded out just like it did in the 70’s on dirt bikes.
      I’ve been putting moly CV axle grease on my springers with good results. I find it smooths them out a bit both for cocking, shooting and reducing spring twang.

  • @charlesoutdoors2424
    @charlesoutdoors2424 21 день назад

    I had a lot of experience with chronographs. These use light sensors and they are very picky about light. Low light will give you bad readings like the 598. They also don't like clear blue skies. I almost always use the white screens over top on a bright day. The last one I bought came with LED screens ran off batteries. They will drive you nuts without proper lighting and you numbers may be off. They work best on a bright cloudy day without screens. My only concern in extreme cold like your in would be the cold making springs a bit more brittle and possibly more prone to break. Maybe it doesn't. I wonder if the Nito Piston is better in the cold. I know Nitrogen is used in some cases to fill tires because it doesn't expand and contract like air. Speaking of, Does that mean gas rams shoot harder in hot weather?

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@charlesoutdoors2424 That makes sense, I had clear, blue skies. I need to either buy a new chrony or somehow fix mine so I can use the arms and white hoods over the sensors.
      I’m not sure what, if any difference there is with gas ram pistons? I’ve never spent much time researching them and I guess I assumed. they all use a nitrogen charge. I’ve never worried about cold and steel springs. They’ve been making steel springs for 100’s of years and I’d think all the issues have already been solved regarding the impact of high or low temperatures on steel springs.

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 21 день назад

    I didn't think that non CO2 airguns were much influenced by temperature.I would have thought altitude might be a bigger influence.The South Pole would be interesting as it combines low temperature with high altitude!

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@kevanhubbard9673 I’m at sea level but could see altitude definitely having an impact on power and velocity. Thinner air should mean lower velocity in a springer. A PCP could adjust and a guy would likely notice it taking more pumps to get a full charge. A pneumatic could probably also compensate by adding a few pumps.

  • @rayhartley7290
    @rayhartley7290 22 дня назад

    I find that i get allot of errors on my chrony if I am too close. When I move back 3-4 feet it works better but I end up shooting the chrony more if the angle is off.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@rayhartley7290 that’s the issue I’ve had when backing away. I’ve shot this poor chrony so many times that the mounting holes are shattered so I can’t install the arms to help with aiming.

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 22 дня назад

    The air shocks on the hood or trunk have oil damping, which, big Surprise, gets thicker and slower when it's cold... I don't think that the air ram could have more oil than just enough to keep o-rings lubed.

  • @Riyame
    @Riyame 21 день назад

    Hmm, seems youtube ate my comment from last night for some reason. I wonder how the grease in the guns is affecting the velocity. I know my Gamo was absolutely slathered in it around the piston. Too much on the spring could also slow it down. It might be an interesting experiment to open them up, degrease and properly regrease and repeat the experiment. Krytox 205 is good down to something like -40 so it should affect things less but it is really expensive but on the plus side you don't need much and it does not diesel.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@Riyame I’ve learned as much as I want with cold temps. I forgot to mention in the video, I put moly CV axle grease on the Daisy 1101S a few months ago. The Gamo was stock. I’ve often wondered if the Gamo changed velocity on the second shot as the POI seemed to wander when I first start shooting it. I keep a loaded magazine in it for squirrels and multiple times I’ve missed a squirrel at 20 yards, exactly the range I had it sighted in at.

  • @alanbray3448
    @alanbray3448 21 день назад

    Bought Theoben Eliminator Fac when Theoben first came out.
    Top of the range, very expensive.
    Had it 3 months, had total power failure 3 times, fed up with unreliable rubbish, sold it ,lost lot of money, would not recommend gas ram, over Spring gun, at least you can service Springer.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +1

      @@alanbray3448 That’s too bad. I’ve heard many good things about Theoben gas rams but they don’t seem to be very common anymore.
      I have far more faith in a springer’s reliability over any gas ram.

  • @outdoorplinking1119
    @outdoorplinking1119 18 дней назад

    Interesting and cool video, always wondered if cold weather affected the performance of air rifles. Wow 900 fps with your daisy! Mine only gets 700 with a 8.4 gr pellet, did you tune yours up at all?

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  17 дней назад +1

      @@outdoorplinking1119 No, it’s completely stock aside from putting moly, CV axle grease on the spring. From the chrony testing I’ve done with it, I saw a little over 1100 fps when I used an alloy pellet.

    • @outdoorplinking1119
      @outdoorplinking1119 17 дней назад

      @@airgunsofalaska nice, I think i chronograph mine with an alloy it was very close to 1100 fps. You asked me on one of my videos about the chronograph I use. How can I send you a link to it? Can't figure out how to do it on RUclips comments

  • @ADAM-qr7bi
    @ADAM-qr7bi 22 дня назад

    I leaarned from CHUCK OF SPRING PISTON RIFLE FEVER I beleive last year that metal springers aren't affected by cold due to him shooting one of his in 20degree snow and sleet. which means there's no reason to buy a gas ram. the pistons are twise as much and dont last past 5000-10000 shots. also alot of recoil from gaser's.
    alot of lies in the air gun world finally being exposed. for me it was learning about over inflated energies needed for hunting. recently saw a vid by PRECISION PELLET PEST MANAGEMENT that you only need 4.5 fpe at the muzzle to take rabbit out to 30y w/brain shots. the whole vid is nuts. and from my own experience using my 1977xs taking a squirrel at 10y using only 3 pumps 540fps again w/brain shot using CPHPs.👍

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад +2

      @@ADAM-qr7bi I’ve never bought into the marketing BS about gas rams. I bought my Gamo as I want a repeater. The gas ram has recoil but it just feels different than a springer.
      Right now the airgun industry marketing is heavily towards PCP’s. That type of gun isn’t for everyone.

  • @scavengernick3191
    @scavengernick3191 22 дня назад +1

    Good point, but wrong observation. It'll chrony slower in summer and faster in winter, but most of that is due to the air that you pump in. The gun's temperature can give play between the 1st and 2nd shot. It's not the main factor in this case, though. Nice video, I wouldn't be out there 😅.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  21 день назад

      @@scavengernick3191 It definitely wasn’t the most enjoyable video I’ve ever made. 😆 I was just trying to see if the cold had an impact on both power plants.

    • @scavengernick3191
      @scavengernick3191 21 день назад

      @airgunsofalaska My canadian springers like a bit of crisp cold air. I get a small fps boost.

  • @Partimepeasant
    @Partimepeasant 20 дней назад

    Diesel them next time.