In THE TRANSLATERS TO THE READER the King James scholars recommend a 'variety of translations' please note: “Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.” The King James Translaters made their opinion clear on the subject.
@andypink5167 your words from a few months ago...: "In THE TRANSLATERS TO THE READER the King James scholars recommend a 'variety of translations' please note:......." I would like to know ..please ...what rendition of the KJV.. you read that in... I own several copies from different publishers regarding the King James.. and I have seen "the King James Dedicatory"... and "How to Use notes".. and "about this translation"... BUT never have I read any King James bible where in the preface the translator notes state to compare the King James to other translations.. if this was EVER stated in any. King James renditions..... it was stated.. in order to Show by comparison how much GREATER the King Janes rendition is... Not to give people the license to read a heretical bible...
@@jeffcarlson3269Hi Jeff, I have a Cambridge Turquoise and Concord it's in them and also the Holman full-color KJV Study Bible ISBN 978-1-4336-0378-5, The Holy Bible Quarter Centenary Edition King James Version 1611 Text ISBN 978-0-19-955760-8. Jeff you will find THE TRANSLAT0RS TO THE READER in all facsimiles of the original 1611 King James Bible as far as I know. The example I quoted from THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER comes under the subheading 'Reasons moving us to set diversity of senses in the margin, where there is great probability for each'. You will find it two thirds of the way through that section in the Concord and Turquoise.
@@jeffcarlson3269 Hi Jeff, The Cambridge Concord and Turquoise has it, The Holman KJV Study Bible The Holy Bible Quatercentenary Edition King James Version 1611 Text. That’s just the KJV’s that I have. You will find that the facsimiles of the original 1611 KJV have it. THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER “Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.” In the Turquoise it is on page xvii around half way down the page. In the Concord it is on page xxi about a third of the way down the page. I’m sure it is in many King James Bibles because it was in the original.
Hi Jeff, The Cambridge Concord and Turquoise has it, The Holman KJV Study Bible and The Holy Bible Quatercentenary Edition King James Version 1611 Text. That’s just the KJV’s that I have. You will find that the facsimiles of the original 1611 KJV have it. THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER “Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.” In the Turquoise it is on page xvii around half way down the page. In the Concord it is on page xxi about a third of the way down the page. I’m sure it is in many King James Bibles because it was in the original. I hope this is useful.
They did you a favor Jonathan. Start your own ministry. If you stick to the word: rightly translated, rightly interpreted, and rightly divided, then you will do well.
@@Purewordsoftruth1611 Rightly translated is self evident because when the Bible is rightly translated there is NO CONFLICTS. Conflicts mean someone got it wrong, either with translating it improperly, or by interpreting it wrong. Learn right division and more than 90 percent of errors in interpretation disappear. I've been doing Bible study for over 100,000 hours (59 years worth). Conflict means error. Worse is when a person denies the conflict their views have with the scriptures, dig their heals in, and stick with the lies instead of dumping the big ego act, swallowing their pride, and accepting the compatible translation and interpretation. Example: The trinity is unBiblical. It conflicts withe the Bible.....yet most trinitarians are too ego embedded in their false doctrine and will deny the Biblical truth when it's presented to them. PS: Your 1611 KJV was commissioned by a corrupt King for corrupt reasons. He disliked the Geneva Bible which is Superior to the one he commissioned. KJV gets some things right, but there are serious errors in it that have led to many heresies. I know you won't like to hear that, but I can prove it.....as many others already have. The original Greek, when translated to be entirely compatible with all the other verses, is the true translation. YAHWEH never promised to preserve His written word in 1611 archaic English. The Greek and Hebrew texts are the preserved word. But some of the Greek texts have been altered, and there again, the compatibility text exposes the errant text and reveals the correct text.
@JamesAllen972 was going to type the same. They talk about the word and scripture and the Bible being perfect and innerant and they are referring to something that doesn't exist and disappeared over 1900 years ago.
Pastor Jonathan, God has something so wonderful, so special for you, that He is going to bless your socks off. I don't know what your denomination is, or what your church is, but the Lord has a very special plan for your life. Psalm 37.
This hurt me for you. But then, I agree with the first statement that what happened is a blessing in disguise. God has greater and bigger things in store for you. I love all of you more than you can know. You’re in my prayers.
Absolutely 💯 I love their Zeal and passion for Gods word. But Here is my issue with the New IFB and KJV only, because of how much they have taught and worked to establish this movement and how many have made statements that every version but the KJV is perverted. Some have gone as far as burning NIVs publicly... they cannot turn back on the tradition that snow balled into a megalithic mess. So when a Man of God, (The Pastor in this video) says that we have translations and agrees that the NIV got it right - it will never sit right with this Pastor who have made their stance against "new age perversions" I'm all for the KJV It's my preferred Bible. But with the knowledge I have acquired throughout the years, I have understood that I HAVE A TRANSLATION. GODS WORD is preserved in The Greek new manuscript. But my Bible and yes even an NIV will does not change the Gospel message, and if cultists/ Satanist tried.. they did a sloppy job removing key doctrines. Also, Glae riplinger has already be exposed by scholars and experts that almost all her claims have no weight of truth, but rather fabrications to hold her paradigm (no different to CNN and cable news network) I recommend an oldie where modern Bible translators debate KJV only onlyists. It's a long one, but well worth it if you break it down in days. ITS FAVORITE ruclips.net/video/YH5g0gXW0FI/видео.html It's unfortunate that this Pastor was removed from his office. I admire his respect for those above him. Matthew 23:1-4 1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Stinks to have to go through that. But, honestly, sounds like they did you a favor. I don’t want to be a part of a church that holds the KJVO position anymore. It’s hard to be a pastor if you’re not allowed to tell the whole truth.
Hiring and firing pastors is not in any version of the Scriptures. Deacons hiring and firing pastors is certainly not in our English Authorized Version of the Holy Scriptures.
I must say I strongly disagree with King James onlyism. I have nothing against The King James, but to say that is the only true word of God I think that is very destructive and false. What about the Church before the King James came to be? We’re they all wrong? I find this to be a serious error. I believe you were not let go properly either brother. You said that the men recommending your firing did not even truly hear both sides of the story, which is very wrong! This might just be a huge blessing in disguise for you. God bless you!!! 🙏❤️. I will be praying for you and am so grateful for your wisdom in my life and being able to help me in my walk, thank you brother. Also I totally understand now why yesterday you said to me this is the best news I have heard all day. now
If you want to soften hearts you have to lead by example, the KJV never softened hearts leading by example like Jesus did does.. I'd rather follow a guy who knows the Lord before I follow the guy that has no relationship with him but mastered his word, because nobody knows the word like Satan..Real leaders lead with actions..
@@osieollivierre8643 why when Jesus came and showed us the path, diverting to the word interpreted by a corrupt man who has no authority or connection to Jesus is just asking for problems.. Never trust a man who tries to use a Bible to refute Jesus..
@@osieollivierre8643 the fact is Jesus appointed Simon as the head of his Church turning Simon into Peter just like God changed Abram to Abraham in the old testament.. it starts with a transformation and ends with one, anyone who tries to use Paul to refute the actions of Jesus is blinded by pride, ego, and hatred.. accepting that premise is calling Jesus a failure, their is no way around it, denying his Church is like denying him..The whole world is targeting "rad trads" like prophesized because his followers will be hated like he was.. The Pope himself is trying ban the historic latin Mass.. As an outsider looking in it's clear who are the real followers of Jesus and you can tell them by their fruit..
It sounds that what you two men face is what the reformers faced when finally reading the Bible. Stay faithful and God will continue to bless you both. I’m sorry as it is a hard road.
I've been accused of Satan worship, for even mentioning NKJV to a KJVO. I personally prefer ESV or a Geneva Pilgrim's 1560 replica first edition Bible, when they were persecuted for the same thing.
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hardline legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his Independent Baptist mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.@@Openreality
@@Openreality I could show you some of the faults of the ESV.. if you would like... for ONE.. compare Job 4:17 in the ESV to the KJV... ESV ‘Can mortal man be in the right before[a] God? Can a man be pure before his Maker? really... ?.... than what is the point of salvation or trusting in Christ... this One verse turns that Ideology into a Moot idea does it Not?., read the KJV if you want to know what was REALLY stated... here's one Acts 17:22 read this out of the ESV or the NKJV... ESV So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. Really?... do you think Paul was complimenting these idol worshippers on Mars Hill for being :very religious?.. try reading the True.... KJV account.. oh here is One last one.. if you need more.. Rev 4:11 why were we created?.. You'll never find out in That verse reading from the ESV or NKJV... and please explain to me what a "Waheb and Suphah".. are from Numbers 21:14 NKJV and a "palonquin"..from Song of Solomon NKJV there goes the excuse given for the NKJV needed in order to make the Bible easier to read...
How come the church is called New Center Christian Church if it is fundamental baptist? I have never heard of that before! Why did not they put FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST on the church sign?
Because it's deeper than book versions, it also reflects the denominations that are being pushed. The best version is first an open one, second, one that was divinely inspired by God.
KJV Onlyism is nothing short of idolatry. There's nothing wrong with using the KJV as your preferred Bible. Worshipping it, however, is idolatry and that's what the KJV Onlyists are practicing.
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hard line legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his Independent Baptist mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.
There is so much wrong with this, I don’t even know where to begin. Firstly, deacons do not have the authority to let go the elder of their church. And certainly, pastors from other churches shouldn’t be involved in a decision this important that doesn’t pertain to their own church. There is clear structure in the Bible. Elders, deacons, congregation. And no prescriptions for disagreement or sin were followed. Congregation carries the final decision as per Matt 18. For a church so determined to follow their Bible, they couldn’t have disobeyed it more if they’d tried.
@@CoffeeBreakSomewhere he is. “Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching.” 1 Timothy 5:17
Thank you being an example of a good Berean no matter the cost. You made me happy today to hear we have good students of the word out there challenging dogma, even among their brethren, that blinds them from the challenge and exhortation to know the word well. Be willing to see through the dogma of KJV Only that provides a false sense of security and keep teaching others and being an example of searching out the differences and providing an answer for them effectively. God’s sword doesn’t become dull in that pursuit as some fear but in fact it should become sharper as we learn how to wield it better by practice such as this! Love how you still said you noticed the differences without losing your preference for the KJV. I wish they could have seen that. I’m sorry for the injustice for them to let you go like that without much study themselves. My heart breaks for you and your family how this occurred so I’m lifting you up in prayer. Today you spoke well and I respect and commend you for it. I have been searching into such things myself, so I will go check out your videos and weigh the texts. Under sad circumstances, but your video comes at the time I and maybe other needed it. Hope that can give you some comfort! God bless you. Grace and Peace.
A Berean studies the scriptures. This man has never seen the scriptures according to his definition of the scriptures. 2 Timothy 3:15 reveals Timothy had the scriptures as a child, but he did not have the originals. Jonathan believes the scriptures WERE inspired in the originals, but are not available today. He cannot be a Berean because he does not believe the inspired scriptures are available today by his own admission.
God had bigger plans for you. In a church that isn’t afraid of the truth. There are many many churches that would be honored to have a man like you as pastor. One of them will get that honor.
Two things happened to me that made me understand the KJV is a translation. 1. I did what they said and studied. 2. The KJV onliest are always angry. Their argument is never humble and kind. It certainly isn’t in the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
I'm so incredibly sorry that your past church went about things not in a Biblical way with the way they let you go. I wish church leaderships would get off their high horses and do things the right way. 😭
In the 1611 KJV, 1st Jn. 5:12 reads, " He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son hath not life." In the 1769 KJV, 1st Jn. 5:12 reads, He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." It might be a small difference, but it is a difference, and, according to KJV onlyists, "things that are different aren't the same."
Standing by the KJVO is like giving a Korean Bible to a person that doesn’t understand the language. Read which translation that you find more at helpful for understand & I suggest reading several translations together for richer study.
@@samlawrence2695 You *REALLY* need to look into Westcot & Hort... You will be better for it... BTW Bible believers are not in a "cult". You "Westcoitt & Hort onlyism" cult members are promoting Catholic bibles... Every modern version comes from Catholic manuscripts (Septuagint, VATICANus & Siniaticus) I'll trust God not you....
@@Nick-wn1xw You just outed yourself as a member. There is no King James Bible cult. We are Bible believers. We trust that our God keeps His words pure & preserved in *EVERY* generation... You have a puny impotent "god". II Corinthians 4:4 In whom the *god* of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. It is clear that your mind has been "blinded" by your puny impotent "god"... My God is Omnipotent! He is able to keep His promises! God said: Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. I Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. I Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: I Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. You should join us Bible believers! We win in the end you and your cult loses!
I enjoy your preaching, pastor. I’m sorry to hear you and your family are going through this. I hope you are comforted by the fact that you’re not wrong here. You seem like a tough enough guy that you’ll tuck, roll, and come out running.
Anyone who DARES to call any actual translation of Greek manuscripts into English versions "word for word" and means it, is delusional, that's right, I said delusional; you have been lied to, deceived. I read the Greek New Testament every single day aloud, I never miss a single day, using the HGP pronunciation (HGP) not the 16th century Erasmian pronunciation, and the English from Greek interlinears for syntax purposes, recognizing more and more quickly how to organize the English syntax as I read, all for the writing I do. One learns immediately that there are no word for word English versions that people use for church and study. Not the KJV, NKJV, ESV, NASB95, NASB20, NRSV, NIV, LSB, WEB, DBY, NLT, CSB, HNV, etc., etc. I love our brothers and sisters in anointed (non translation in all versions using Christ) Jesus and my disdain for deception towards brothers and sisters in anointed Jesus is unmitigated. But KJV ONLYISM is a cultic belief and beggars belief.
At a time when we should be United in faith in Jesus. We need a savior. God is holy and cannot tolerate sin. We need God’s mercy found in Jesus. Getting into disputes over irrelevant passages is ridiculous. You’ll find a better spot where God is calling you. Keep your head up.
I understand you have your stance but when your position differs from the churches statement the leaders of that church have standing to dismiss you. This has nothing to do with what you believe. You are free to believe it but the church is also free to dismiss you.
At this point, it's becoming clear to me that the KJV Only crowd are becoming a cult within the church body. I grew up with KJV being the "best" translation, but back then very few people adhered to it with this level of ferocious tenacity. Personally, I stuck with it because I liked how the poetic language was challenging and lent a certain authoritative weight to the Scriptures that seemed to be lacking in most of the modern translations I've looked at - I have a fairly high reading level, so I understand why modern translations need to simplify the language for those who struggle with reading, but to me, it made the passages feel childish, like I was reading a storybook for elementary school children. That's why I like the NASB, it has the weighty, poetic feel to the words but is written with a more modern English vernacular that is far easier to understand and absorb.
@Dargonhuman it is only being adhered to with such "tenacity".. as you state brother... due.. to the amount of a attacks upon it today... as more and more people are falling into the clutches of these "modern translations".. we are seeing more and more being led away from God.. in such a faster veracity than ever before.. the ignorance has increased ..more and more people are being taken in by "Yea...hath God said..".. of the newer translations.. it is very scary.. check out these verses and compare them to the KJV... when you get a chance.. Genesis 22:8 Haggai 1:10 Acts 22:17 Acts 8:37 Rev :11 1 John 5:13 Job 4:17 Matt 5:22 Matt 27:35 Matt 18:26 that's just for starters..
Watching this bothers me on so many levels. One, we have pastors that believe what? What this version says or this version says? Two, the NIV says “fourth looks like a son of the gods” I notice “gods” is not in caps but our God, no need for the “s”. Can someone help me here with what’s being debated?
You have to read carefully. There is nothing wrong with Solomon's chariots. The 40k was for horses, and the 4k was for horses AND chariots. What does this mean? There is a separate storage for the horses WITH chariots, making 10 horses per chariot. No contradiction, read it carefully
It has nothing to do with who agrees, that's not how truth is determined. It's a matter of what the passage says with basic grammar, but nice appeal to authority fallacy
I stumbled on your video explain Isaiah use of the phrase "Everlasting Father" I found it very well done. So I went on to listen to more of your videos and came upon this one. The thing i found so honest about you is your recommendation to study it for yourself. You have set a good example. I am sorry you felt that 25% of one book's references were to an Adventist book. First because KJV only is not a doctrine of the Adventist church. As a life long Seventh-day Adventist , I am sorry that a book containing references to an Adventist book was used to criticize one of those books. I don't know where you have landed but am glad you made this video explaining your inocent and the righteousness of your defense.
So difficult . . . complicated, hard and hurtful times. Praying for you and for God's use of these things to be realized in the lives of all parties involved and for Satan's use of these same things to be destroyed. Let us all remember that there is only one Church . . . the Church that Jesus said he would build. "I will build my Church . . . " And, let us also remember that all the brands we see in the religious range wars - all of the various denominations and systems of theology - comprise the church that man built. Nothing could be more clear from 1 Corinthians 1 coupled with 1 Corinthians 13.
I got kicked off a deacon board and my ministers license taken away because I believe God speaks to me. I did not claim new revelation. I only stated I believe God speaks personally to His Children. I mean how else is he going to lead us in our daily lives if He does not speak to us as we go about our daily activities.
The KJV only people are a disgrace, their cult-like admiration of the additions of Schofield has brought them into this scenario of trashing every other faithful translation
It is very hard to argue with these people. Those are the most hard headed people in the Baptist world. They don't receive challenges to read other literature outside of their favorite authors and it is frustrating because "they already have all the facts" before you confront them. I understand your frustration and discourage. I know what you faced with those deacons and I'm very sorry for you, but also for them, because they decided to be blind and follow a man made religion and worship a Translation, but not the God of the Bible.
@@revelation20232Oh, if only all of us could have your humility 😂 I spent 20+ years in prison ministry. Literally hundreds of men thanked me for providing Bibles that they could understand (non-KJV). The complex sentence structure of the KJV kept them from reading the understanding God’s word.
@@ritadyer9295 I prefer KJV but I am not "only". If I face tough questions I read several versions. I once told a pastor I could not in good faith join his church because he was KJV only and at the time I carried an NIV. I said I would be fine with him preaching from KJV but I knew it would bother him real bad to know I was listening to him preach while I had an NIV in my lap. He said that was true. I do understand the KJV disability to reason though. They hold that version in as high a regard as I do God's word in general. When someone tells me homosexuality is ok I do not even enter into that discussion. God's word says no and that's it. Well they have that same passion for the KJV. It starts as theyveant the best translation so to be able to best serve God but then it turns into Idolatry with them worshipping the printed text while believing they are worshipping God. My question is if they are so adamant about having the correct version why don't they all read the original languages and give up English translations all together.
Yes I have my own copy. It's not what ppl call the 'kjv' today. KJV onlyism doesn't work. It's a good translation but it's a *translation* not divinely inspired. Read the notes from the translators in the KJV and they are clear they aren't KJV only. Why would you be KJV when the translators weren't even KJV only? The New Testament is written in koine Greek and the Old Testament is written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Not english. God chose to inspire Scripture in those languages, not English. And Christians can translate Scripture from Greek and Hebrew to English. Lots of Bible believing Baptists aren't KJV only. Bible believing Baptists that believe in Heaven and Hell, angels and demons, and that the Lord Jesus is truly God Almighty and is the only way to salvation. Scripture is *able* to make one wise for salvation which is through faith in Jesus Christ. And Christians believed in the True Divinity of Jesus Christ Before the KJV 1611 or 1769 was translated! And the Protestant Reformation against Rome was BEFORE the KJV was translated and the first Baptists were NOT KJV. Check the 1689 Baptist Confession. So if you are Baptist, you are descended from Baptist churches that are NOT KJV.
@@truthisbeautiful7492 God's preserved word in the english language is an understandable desire from a human logic point of view. It would be great if God had chosen to directly inspire a translation. But to imagine that to be a reality is at best wishful thinking. I personally believe God has ushered His word to us faithfully. Just like there are many ancient texts we compare with each other to assure an as close to original version of His word we can muster there are many modern translations to compare to each other for the same purpose. God has promised to work all things together for the Good of those that love Him. That includes bringing us His word with all the essentials intact. One thing funny to consider is that 99 percent of the time we hear preaching we hear a translation followed by a paraphrase. The speaker reads a verse then explains it in his own words. In many cases the original meaning is diluted a lot in that one step. I wonder why the KJV onlies are not upset about that.....hhhmmmm
Not only do kjv only people disagree with the translators letter to the reader and the scholarship in using textual criticism principles as they "revised the 1602 Bishops Bible, but they do not agree with the "so called" TR, 1611 KJV, MAJORITY TEXT, BYZANTINE TEXT, LATIN VULGATE, COMPULT. POLYGLOT of 1522, etc. concerning what Paul says are the qualifications for overseers, which are not chosen by the Deacons, or fired by them.
It doesn't matter what Bible version you're reading if you're not following the true gospel of Jesus Christ you're still accursed, and it's probably better if you don't be a part of the racketeering corporation church anyways why are you complaining?
@@pastorburris you know exactly what he is saying ! Galatians 1:6. Paul wrote in Romans 1:16. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15 verse 1-4. The Gospel for the Church age given to Paul by Revelation of Jesus Christ Galatians 1:11
Wow. Pastor this is my first video ive seen of yours but from this video i think this church lost a great man. I think someone will be honored to call you Pastor.
My brother and fellow pastor, I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm praying for you and want you to know that I also came up against this spirit of pride. Keep your head up and stand! Much love my brother.
It's more like Jonathan displayed the spirit of pride and the deacons discovered it. Listen to his pride of his intellect and his has done his homework. He has yielded to the temptation of "the desire to make one wise."
@@JamesAllen972that’s about as an ignorant of a statement as one could make in this situation. So you’re saying we cannot have confidence in what is true? Truth should matter to God’s people.
So sorry to see this. Our family also had to leave our church over the KJV issue. I honestly don’t see any path to staying. There are many differences in views that can be worked through. As far as I can tell, this is not one of them. A helpful book to me when dealing with brothers and sisters in Christ who hold different views from my own is Winsome Convictions. I pray you find it helpful as well. Take time to heal from this hurt also. It is a legitimate wound and should be treated and healed before moving on. Praying for you.
I don't know the root of your deception, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn you have fallen victim to the corruption of modern textual criticism theory purported by such men as James White and Daniel Wallace. You are obviously confused and need much prayer. I suggest you look into Jeff Riddle's research and scholarship. "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Would that possibly be you?
@@revelation20232 I have grown up in KJV churches and now have had some experience with non KJV churches more recently. In both, sexual sins have been found. It’s not the translation of the Bible that makes a church sound but rather the adherence to the truths found in any faithful translation of the Word that make or break a church. All sexual sins are condemned in every faithful translation so that’s not the issue. The issue is that men are sinful regardless of which translation they read and place their own desires above God.
@@TheSwatmachine don’t forget Mark Ward. His gentle spirit and pursuit of truth has been a godly example to me. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. I have come to know him as my Lord and Savior and by his gentle leading, I have grown in my understanding of the truth. For years, I followed the traditions of men and it held me in bondage. As I find truth, it sets me free. Jesus liberated my captive heart!
I agree with you on the KJV/NIV issue. However, my issue here is this. How could deacons dismiss a pastor? Deacons don't have this authority, your church polity needs adjusting to congregational.
Here's what the King James Version translators themselves said about other translations in their Translators to the Readers Preface: "...we affirm and avow, that the very meanest (i.e. mediocre) translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, containeth the Word of God, nay, is the Word of God. No cause therefore why the Word translated should be denied to be the Word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it." They didn't for a second believe that a translation had to be perfect or without blemish to be considered the Word of God. I believe the KJV translators today would consider the ESV, NASB, NKJV and yes, even the NIV, to be considered the Word of God.
Proof that the KJVO movement is the new inquisition. I prefer ESV or 1560 FE Geneva Pilgrim's Bible. Just don't greet me with tar and pitchforks if I don't have a KJV Bible.
The "textus receptus" refers to the Greek new testament manuscripts not the book of Isaiah. I am not sure where you are going with the argument. Either way a youtube video after being released from a ministry isn't exactly classy, or a good testimony for that matter.
I misspoke when I mentioned the TR at that spot. If you watch the video I did on Daniel 3:25, I correctly stated that this was not an issue with the TR because that is NT only. As to your opinion on my publishing my thoughts, your opinion is noted. Thank you for sharing it.
It’s so interesting to me that some people insist on KJV only as if that’s the original version of the Bible. It’s most certainly not, so how can it be the most accurate version? And were the churches who came before the KJV was invented not reading the “correct” version of the scripture? How odd. I grew up on the KJV, can quote scripture from it by heart. I study with the CSB now & that hasn’t changed the meaning of the scripture for me one bit. The Word is the Word.
Although I was raised in KJV only Independant Baptist churches I cannot call myself a Baptist due to certain doctrines I have come to believe in. I will always admire the Independent Baptists for their willingness to tell me to not take their word for it and to read the scriptures myself to see what is true or not. I was not raised hard line KJV only but only in the sense of it being the best translation and I still prefer it to this day. I believe that the Lord will restore you somewhere else amongst those who are more likeminded with you.
The KJV is a very outdated text to use. Since it is based on the Textus Receptus, the Textus Receptus is not accurate. We have much older manuscripts available to us now, which is why we have more accurate translations that do not use the Textus Receptus.
David, well to be honest I admit that I am no expert on this matter. When it comes to biblical truth all believers must figure out for themselves what errors are grievous enough to justify breaking fellowship and what errors are not grievous enough to justify breaking fellowship. Here we have a KJV only minister who was removed from his position for not being hardline KJV only. A religious fellowship must have certain core beliefs that all must ascribe to in order for there to be a needed unity. However, if a people go to the extreme of having a very extensive and detailed list of beliefs where even the most minor beliefs are elevated to the status of absolutely essential you will end up with a people who feel like they do not have the freedom to think for themselves and form their own opinions. So we need to demonstrate wisdom in where we draw our lines.@@RestoringYourVoice
The church has had a long history of rooting out heretical views. Every translation of the bible from day one had it's detractors. Back then they would fire you too, at the stake. Be happy that they have given that up!
A few years ago I became a member of an IFB church. I had absolutely no idea about the history of IFB, Darby, Scofield, Hyles, and others. Now that I know and understand God gave me new eyes to see. Seems like he is blessing you as well with truth.
The full counsel of God is found perfectly in and through Jesus Christ! Fear of man got you fired! Move on! No changing their minds. The truth shall set you free! 🤗
Would you please do a video dealing with 2 Kings 2:26 & 2 Chronicles 22:2? Pastors won’t brooch topics like that. They also feel attacked when church members bring stuff like this to their attention. Perhaps it is pride? We all fall prey to that little shackle, but we need to get a handle on the “hard stuff”. Thank you for making this video, now I have some studying to do.
While Scriptures are God inspired, there is no inspired version, because as you say, they are only translations. For those who are KJV only, does this mean that on this entire planet, only the English speaking world is saved?
Im 3.5 years in and when i attempted to read the KJV, I constantly got lost in the language. I cried out God for the true bible to read. And He started me on the New Living Translation and after I got the hang of it. Locating the books and chapters and verses or just reading His word. I upgraded to the NASB, and i got one that i can put my notes in. And now I read many versions... you see at the very beginning I asked God to improve my vocabulary... and He has. God isnt snobby! He is a humble and gracious and ever amazing! I'm part of a baptist church in New Zealand however till i understand more i stare very clearly Im following the Christ, not a church, not a pastor... but i do need guidance and sharpening. And if that sharpening was only the KJV, I would have been back to my old pagan ways years ago! When i asked about Isaiah 14:12 noone could answer my question! Hmm
My heart breaks for you and those who don’t understand and don’t know. This boat of truly studying God’s word is a hard one to be in. I’ve been here several years (occasionally I jump out because I don’t like it but drowning in a sea of lies is harder). I have had people turn their backs on me. I’ve angered people. I’ve lost friends. I decided a while back that I would just keep my mouth shut and know what I know and not share it but pray others would learn the truth. I don’t like arguing, and to be honest, I’m not confident in myself enough to argue a point that I may not be right in and in doing so cause someone to doubt God because of my failure. I want those I love to understand Him and love Him. So I stopped asking questions publicly. I try to learn on my own. (That’s hard) I use other trusted leaders. And then I research what they say to verify that it’s right. I trust no one but Jesus. I love KJV. It’s what I read everyday. However, when I have a deep question, I thoroughly study the KJV and Strong’s concordance. I dig into the Hebrew and Greek. (I’m not as fluent as you are but I have enough understanding that I can get to the answers I need) I look at other translations and I try to find and understand the ‘why’. It’s been hard. People (especially in this area) don’t understand and think that if you even so much as open another translation you must not be saved, you’re a heretic, or any number of other things. Going to the library sometimes causes me to want to dress in disguise. And to top it off if the person doing the studying is a woman that opens ‘a-whole-nother’ can of worms. I want to shout “if you learn these things you’ll have a greater and deeper love for the Lord” but I quit telling others what I’ve learned. I want to thank you. You’ve solidified that digging deeper isn’t questioning God, it’s strengthening my foundation. You’ve renewed my desire to keep learning. And to share when the opportunity presents itself. I don’t know where you’ll be in the coming months but I look forward to hearing you soon. We continue to pray for you and your family and all of New Center. ❤
I think you would agree that it very well looks like, in the end, there will only be you and God, and thats it. Keep reading and studying and in His word you are safe. I found this very interesting as I am also a KJV person and only recently discovered how flawed other translations are and its edifying. ruclips.net/video/U85CXY7y8Qg/видео.html
@@uncle_Samssubjects What bothers me more is they undermine trust in His word itself. Suspect if one is bothered by four vs. forty thousand stalls enough you can search it out and figure it out but regardless it does not affect sound doctrine one whit. It's kinda a silly thing to be troubled by in my mind vs those verses that do undermine sound doctrine found in ALL the moderns but not in the KJV. Look at compare Acts 20:29 in KJV to any of the rest, note too doubting footnotes, look at Isaiah 53:8 as well compare and note the contradictory means between versions. And there are many, many more to look at that do affect doctrine that the KJV shines light upon.
@@Obediah002 if you believe that, you already accepted the premise that the KJV writers fully denied before they ever began their work, and the censorship of the word tyrant in the KJV is a obvious corruption to the text along with removing of "problematic texts".. when Jesus commanded people to eat of his flesh, the people refused and left back to their old ways yet the Apostles stayed even though they didn't understand.. those who had left Jesus also wanted those very "problematic texts" removed.. in fact Jesus ask Simon Peter why he does not leave like the rest and he replied "but where would we go Lord"..the Church was around for 1500 years before the KJV, it's a pompous position to think the KJV is in anyway superior to the Bible and the tradition of the Saints and Apostles. US modern humans love putting ourselves on pedestals because we lack wisdom, and we keep pissing away the faith to join the world..The KJV supremacy clowns should repent because they had no authority to remove anything "God breathed" for easier beliefs because it's not the same faith, and the fruit are clear to see.. Their is one Truth as handed down by the Apostles, if Jesus didn't remove the "problematic texts" then they can be problematic except for yourself..Cherry picking beliefs come from the KJV just look at all the error it spread throughout the world.. The KJV is the only bible reprobates read from.. where you find major heresy you will find the KJV..
@@Obediah002 i find it incredible dishonest to accept Jesus yet deny his Church and beliefs like 1500 years of the Church HISTORY didn't exist before the KJV..the KJV translators seen this problem coming and were sure to write that their translation was NOT GOD INSPIRED AT ALL..if you read the bible it should remind you of those who left Jesus after the last supper for the same reasons..The KJV has it, it's just ignored, because following Jesus had been replaced to following a 500year old book, extremely close to Islam where they believe the Quran will come alive with agency to judge the unbelievers yet the Quran affirms the Gospel just not the KJV,, because it didnt exist yet, Because man had yet to create it..
Hi Pastor Burris. I'm a young preacher currently in training at a local IFB church. I'm in my final year of college at their local bible institute and I just finished a year long internship. I've been a fundamental baptist for my whole life and I've always been on board with their beliefs until very recently. I've started to question the strict rule book those who serve are handed and maybe even the KJV only position, which is a really hard one for me. I haven't totally abandoned the belief system yet, but I've been asking God for wisdom and a moldable heart, then I stumbled onto your videos. I believe He's convicting me on some things Thank you for presenting everything you do in such a respectful, educational manner. I do have a question for you. I'm terrified of the consequences should I choose to leave. I love the people I serve with and they have given me so much opportunity that I fear I wouldn't get elsewhere. I don't know if you can answer this but it's eating me alive and I'm desperate for counsel. What would you do in my position? I'm also scared to be wrong about the things I'm questioning. I fear God may look down on me in anger if I squander my opportunities here. Thank you Pastor Burris.
My Brother, I wanted to let you know that I saw your comment and I will be responding to it in full. Look for a reply sometime tomorrow. If you are worried that someone may see this comment, feel free to reach out to me privately on either Facebook Messenger or Twitter Direct Message.
Trust that you are seeing something here. If these people are narrow minded, angry, controlling, manipulative and teach my way or the highway, pray about getting out of this system.
I would like to see the scriptures that instruct the Body of Christ saying that Deacon/Deacons are to decide who will be an overseer. I would also like to see scriptures that instruct the Body of Christ saying that Deacon/Deacons are to decide who will no longer be an overseer. Deacons have no authority to make that/those decisions according to the scriptures, the New Testament Epistles specifically addressing the Body of Christ under grace not law!
Brother, I don't know you but this video broke my heart. You clearly loved your congregation and that comes through so palpably. As a PK who is now pastoring, I will praying for you and your family right now that the Lord will heal the hurt and open another door to serve.
"And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen". 1 Kings 4:26 KJV "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem". 2 Chronicles 9:25 KJV Where's the contradiction? 10 horses per chariot
I just found your channel today. I'm a born again Missionary Baptist. It's terribly sad that you were fired. I'm praying for you, your family, and the congregation.
Well done sir. You are correct. You are blessed to be set free from KJV onlyism nonsense. You have worked hard and God calls all of us to do that; especially those who are teaching others as you mentioned. You have a good heart and I pray that the Lord blesses you and keeps you and makes His face shine upon you. The only inspired Words of God are the autographs and we do not have those anymore, unfortunately. All of the translations are based on copies of copies of copies of the autographs. The authors of the NT (and Jesus) quoted the Septuagint and other versions of the OT, not the KJV. 2 Tim. 3:16-17 says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and Paul was referring to the autographs, not the KJV. These KJVO folks just don't use the brains that God has graciously allowed them to have. The KJV translators also add things that were not in almost all of the older manuscripts in many places (e.g. (1) 1 John 5:7 is added but likely not in the autographs since the older manuscripts don't have it and it doesn't align with the verses before it and verse 8, although we don't need it because the Trinity is taught throughout scripture, (2) 1 Cor. 6:20, "and in your spirit, which are God's" was added by the KJV translators and not in most of the older manuscripts). These are just two of the many examples. My Dad did a wonderful and long series on how the Bible came to be what we have today. He went through everything. He went through the supposed "contradictions" you mentioned (40000 versus 4000) and offered very reasonable explanations. Good job finding those supposed contradictions. There are others as well (e.g. Stephen's account in Acts 7:2-4 of when Abraham left Ur of the Chaldees versus the original account in Genesis) but all can be dealt with satisfactorily. ruclips.net/p/PLAJChy-rQd7PCXY8kfxcGed52zzuDq3Me
Wow, Pastor Burris, I don't know you personally but this hurts. I hope you and your family will be able to have some healing time. I pray you'll find a church to lead that is eager to learn alongside you. (The Wisconsin Fellowship of Baptist churches is short about 10 - ish pastors right now, I think... 😉) Finally, maybe just a tad selfishly 🙂, I hope you'll put more videos out about Bible topics. Thank you for your ministry.
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hardline legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his IFB mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.
It’s sad how quickly and proudly they are to disfellowship with so many other believers. They deny the many other bodies of Christ. We should pray God have mercy on them and not deny them come Judgement Day.
The irony of EVERY PROTESTANT denomination in existence being derived directly from Roman Catholicism. Oh, the irony of EVERY Protestant Bible translation being based on the very books that the Roman Church decided to include in “god’s word”! Shocking! LOL
@@UnbrokenBeliever You're incorrect on that point. KJV very much so uses the LV. A major reason why it's ironic that KJVO hold to that translation so dearly yet attack Catholicism so harshly.
Peace be with you. Having studied the question and the answer(s) to the question is how we gain knowledge and understanding. Remember, Yeshua spent about the first 30 years of His life studying the book that He inspired(created). To my knowledge have ever called Him arrogant. Nor should you be called that here. God's peace and love be with you.
I don’t know you, but I just prayed that God would continue to use you. I left the KJVO movement about 2-3 years ago. It was hard to do, but truth matters. Keep seeking truth, Jesus doesn’t want us to believe a lie, a false standard, a tradition that is not biblical.
Some can only handle the milk, but when it comes to the deeper things of God, the meat, they don't understand because they haven't studied it themselves.
Jonathon, here is a question you might ask the KJV only hardliners who had you dismissed from your service. Ask them if there was two or just one salvation gospel. In the book of Galatians in the King James Paul met up with James, Cephas, and John and they gave him the right hand of fellowship to carry the gospel of the uncircumcision to the gentiles while they would carry the other gospel of the circumcision to the Hebrew people. The King James makes it appear as two gospels delivered to two different groups. Other translations show it as one gospel carried to two different groups of people.
Then are you concluding that the gospel given to the gentiles was a different gospel given to the Jews or are you concluding that two different names are being given to the one gospel being preached to two different groups of people? @@UnbrokenBeliever
Believe it or not there really are those who teach there were two gospels. They even break it down to one being a you can lose your salvation gospel and the other being a once saved always saved gospel. Point is the newer translations make clear in this instance what the King James does not make as clear as the newer translations. The King James here does not rule out the possibility of understanding it as one gospel with two names but you sure have to go to the extra effort of cross referencing this passage with other passages of scripture to avoid the two different gospels conclusion.@@UnbrokenBeliever
Unbroken, actually I agree with most of what you have said. I strongly prefer a literal word for word translation over a literal thought for thought translation. When translators go the route of literal thought for thought they open the door for more of their personal theological bias to make it into their translation. By no means am I suggesting that any of the modern translation are as good as the King James. Apparently if I understand you correctly there are no cases where a modern translation ever is more accurate in any single verse of scripture than the KJV. As you go through your Christian life you will constantly come into contact with fellow believers who disagree with you on at least some small doctrinal issue. You will need to choose wisely which opposing views are so serious that they warrant breaking fellowship and which opposing views that you consider unbiblical are not serious enough to warrant the breaking of fellowship.@@UnbrokenBeliever
@@michaelcarrington7336 there are some who believe that the Jews were REQUIRED to be baptized to complete their break from the Law in order to be saved, while gentiles were not required to be baptized. this is called "mid acts dispensationalism"
I don't know you. I don't know how I came across this video but I really appreciate your heart and attitude in this matter. More Christlike than I would have been. I'll be praying for you, your family and the church in question. Love and blessings from a Calvinist ESVer.
In relation to Daniel 3:25, the substantive question raised by this Scripture is: Who was the fourth man in the fiery furnace with the three Jewish saints? 1. Was he an holy angel, one of the “sons of God” (an OT term for angels) in human form to minister to the three saints in their fiery trial? (see Job 1:6, Genesis 18:1-2 & 19:1-2), Or 2. Was he Christ Jesus, “the form of God” (see Philippians 2:6), manifest in the flesh, in a pre-incarnate visitation to console and strengthen the three afflicted saints? I believe the latter is correct. In my view, the early English Bibles (WBMS, Geneva & KJV), based on the Majority Text, are correct in their rendering. At best, the NIV and other modern English translations based on the Critical Text are unclear and seem to muddy the waters. (Disclosure: I am not a member of an IFB congregation.)
Praying for you and your family. What was done to you is wrong and the church will suffer for the direction the deacons are leading them. God has great things in store for you and your family.
I would watch what I say you had better fear GOD..this wolf just said the LORD JESUS CHRIST is not GOD but a lesser created being equal to satan...is that what you believe?
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hard line legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his Independent Baptist mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.
The phrase like that of a god is in Aramaic “like that of a son of the gods.” Many patristic writers understood this phrase in a christological sense (i.e., “the Son of God”). But it should be remembered that these are words spoken by a pagan who is seeking to explain things from his own polytheistic frame of reference; for him the phrase “like a son of the gods” is equivalent to “like a divine being.” Despite the king’s description though, the fourth person probably was an angel who had come to deliver the three men, or was a theophany.
You were rescued from that church, not fired.
In THE TRANSLATERS TO THE READER the King James scholars recommend a 'variety of translations' please note:
“Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.”
The King James Translaters made their opinion clear on the subject.
@andypink5167
your words from a few months ago...:
"In THE TRANSLATERS TO THE READER the King James scholars recommend a 'variety of translations' please note:......."
I would like to know ..please ...what rendition of the KJV.. you read that in... I own several copies from different publishers regarding the King James.. and I have seen "the King James Dedicatory"... and "How to Use notes".. and "about this translation"...
BUT never have I read any King James bible where in the preface the translator notes state to compare the King James to other translations..
if this was EVER stated in any. King James renditions..... it was stated.. in order to Show by comparison how much GREATER the King Janes rendition is... Not to give people the license to read a heretical bible...
@@jeffcarlson3269Hi Jeff, I have a Cambridge Turquoise and Concord it's in them and also the Holman full-color KJV Study Bible ISBN 978-1-4336-0378-5,
The Holy Bible Quarter Centenary Edition King James Version 1611 Text ISBN 978-0-19-955760-8. Jeff you will find THE TRANSLAT0RS TO THE READER in all facsimiles of the original 1611 King James Bible as far as I know. The example I quoted from THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER comes under the subheading 'Reasons moving us to set diversity of senses in the margin, where there is great probability for each'. You will find it two thirds of the way through that section in the Concord and Turquoise.
@@jeffcarlson3269 Hi Jeff, The Cambridge Concord and Turquoise has it, The Holman KJV Study Bible
The Holy Bible Quatercentenary Edition King James Version 1611 Text. That’s just the KJV’s that I have. You will find that the facsimiles of the original 1611 KJV have it.
THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER “Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.”
In the Turquoise it is on page xvii around half way down the page.
In the Concord it is on page xxi about a third of the way down the page.
I’m sure it is in many King James Bibles because it was in the original.
Hi Jeff, The Cambridge Concord and Turquoise has it, The Holman KJV Study Bible and
The Holy Bible Quatercentenary Edition King James Version 1611 Text. That’s just the KJV’s that I have. You will find that the facsimiles of the original 1611 KJV have it.
THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER “Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.”
In the Turquoise it is on page xvii around half way down the page.
In the Concord it is on page xxi about a third of the way down the page.
I’m sure it is in many King James Bibles because it was in the original.
I hope this is useful.
@@andypink5167
Ok thanks... I will check ..I have some of those you mentioned...
They did you a favor Jonathan. Start your own ministry. If you stick to the word: rightly translated, rightly interpreted, and rightly divided, then you will do well.
@@Purewordsoftruth1611 Rightly translated is self evident because when the Bible is rightly translated there is NO CONFLICTS. Conflicts mean someone got it wrong, either with translating it improperly, or by interpreting it wrong.
Learn right division and more than 90 percent of errors in interpretation disappear.
I've been doing Bible study for over 100,000 hours (59 years worth). Conflict means error. Worse is when a person denies the conflict their views have with the scriptures, dig their heals in, and stick with the lies instead of dumping the big ego act, swallowing their pride, and accepting the compatible translation and interpretation.
Example: The trinity is unBiblical. It conflicts withe the Bible.....yet most trinitarians are too ego embedded in their false doctrine and will deny the Biblical truth when it's presented to them.
PS: Your 1611 KJV was commissioned by a corrupt King for corrupt reasons. He disliked the Geneva Bible which is Superior to the one he commissioned.
KJV gets some things right, but there are serious errors in it that have led to many heresies.
I know you won't like to hear that, but I can prove it.....as many others already have.
The original Greek, when translated to be entirely compatible with all the other verses, is the true translation.
YAHWEH never promised to preserve His written word in 1611 archaic English. The Greek and Hebrew texts are the preserved word. But some of the Greek texts have been altered, and there again, the compatibility text exposes the errant text and reveals the correct text.
The man doesn't have the word by his own admission.
@JamesAllen972 was going to type the same. They talk about the word and scripture and the Bible being perfect and innerant and they are referring to something that doesn't exist and disappeared over 1900 years ago.
Respect ✊🏽 & salute 🫡 my brother! Christ & His Word over tradition of men.
Pastor Jonathan, God has something so wonderful, so special for you, that He is going to bless your socks off. I don't know what your denomination is, or what your church is, but the Lord has a very special plan for your life. Psalm 37.
This hurt me for you. But then, I agree with the first statement that what happened is a blessing in disguise. God has greater and bigger things in store for you. I love all of you more than you can know. You’re in my prayers.
Absolutely 💯
I love their Zeal and passion for Gods word. But Here is my issue with the New IFB and KJV only, because of how much they have taught and worked to establish this movement and how many have made statements that every version but the KJV is perverted.
Some have gone as far as burning NIVs publicly... they cannot turn back on the tradition that snow balled into a megalithic mess.
So when a Man of God, (The Pastor in this video) says that we have translations and agrees that the NIV got it right - it will never sit right with this Pastor who have made their stance against "new age perversions"
I'm all for the KJV
It's my preferred Bible. But with the knowledge I have acquired throughout the years, I have understood that I HAVE A TRANSLATION. GODS WORD is preserved in The Greek new manuscript. But my Bible and yes even an NIV will does not change the Gospel message, and if cultists/ Satanist tried.. they did a sloppy job removing key doctrines.
Also, Glae riplinger has already be exposed by scholars and experts that almost all her claims have no weight of truth, but rather fabrications to hold her paradigm (no different to CNN and cable news network)
I recommend an oldie where modern Bible translators debate KJV only onlyists. It's a long one, but well worth it if you break it down in days. ITS FAVORITE
ruclips.net/video/YH5g0gXW0FI/видео.html
It's unfortunate that this Pastor was removed from his office. I admire his respect for those above him.
Matthew 23:1-4
1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Stinks to have to go through that. But, honestly, sounds like they did you a favor. I don’t want to be a part of a church that holds the KJVO position anymore. It’s hard to be a pastor if you’re not allowed to tell the whole truth.
KJVO folks are dishonest & lack integrity
Exactly, when you said we’ve been trained to be scared of…..fear…holds us back, I know this.
II Timothy 1:7 "For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
KJVO hivemind is a bad place to be.
How can your deacons have authority to fire you if every person has authority over their own biblical understanding?
Because deacons hold a leadership position in the church.
Hiring and firing pastors is not in any version of the Scriptures. Deacons hiring and firing pastors is certainly not in our English Authorized Version of the Holy Scriptures.
Because the deacons probably know (I hope they do) who the final authority is. It ain't this guy or Jim bob White and not even Gayle Riplinger.
I must say I strongly disagree with King James onlyism. I have nothing against The King James, but to say that is the only true word of God I think that is very destructive and false. What about the Church before the King James came to be? We’re they all wrong? I find this to be a serious error. I believe you were not let go properly either brother. You said that the men recommending your firing did not even truly hear both sides of the story, which is very wrong! This might just be a huge blessing in disguise for you. God bless you!!!
🙏❤️.
I will be praying for you and am so grateful for your wisdom in my life and being able to help me in my walk, thank you brother.
Also I totally understand now why yesterday you said to me this is the best news I have heard all day. now
If you want to soften hearts you have to lead by example, the KJV never softened hearts leading by example like Jesus did does.. I'd rather follow a guy who knows the Lord before I follow the guy that has no relationship with him but mastered his word, because nobody knows the word like Satan..Real leaders lead with actions..
@@uncle_Samssubjectsbut isnt fallowing the word the same as following the lord?
@@osieollivierre8643 why when Jesus came and showed us the path, diverting to the word interpreted by a corrupt man who has no authority or connection to Jesus is just asking for problems.. Never trust a man who tries to use a Bible to refute Jesus..
@@osieollivierre8643 the fact is Jesus appointed Simon as the head of his Church turning Simon into Peter just like God changed Abram to Abraham in the old testament.. it starts with a transformation and ends with one, anyone who tries to use Paul to refute the actions of Jesus is blinded by pride, ego, and hatred.. accepting that premise is calling Jesus a failure, their is no way around it, denying his Church is like denying him..The whole world is targeting "rad trads" like prophesized because his followers will be hated like he was.. The Pope himself is trying ban the historic latin Mass.. As an outsider looking in it's clear who are the real followers of Jesus and you can tell them by their fruit..
@@uncle_Samssubjects who refute jesus? I saw no refuting.
I've been down this road. Thank you for this video. I pray God opens a great door for you.
It sounds that what you two men face is what the reformers faced when finally reading the Bible. Stay faithful and God will continue to bless you both. I’m sorry as it is a hard road.
Very sad. Sounds like some small minded people were very threatened by truth. Hang in there brother, a new chapter will open soon
You know a lot of people don’t want to think…actually some pay to not think. Bless You Brother. You 100% did not deserve to be fired.
We've lost two pastors in a row because they also came to this conclusion on the KJV. Getting tired of the IFB nonsense. 😢
That breaks my heart.
It would be better if y’all, pastors and laymen alike, became KJB Bible believers and not scholars.
I've been accused of Satan worship, for even mentioning NKJV to a KJVO. I personally prefer ESV or a Geneva Pilgrim's 1560 replica first edition Bible, when they were persecuted for the same thing.
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hardline legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his Independent Baptist mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.@@Openreality
@@Openreality I could show you some of the faults of the ESV.. if you would like... for ONE.. compare Job 4:17 in the ESV to the KJV...
ESV
‘Can mortal man be in the right before[a] God?
Can a man be pure before his Maker?
really... ?.... than what is the point of salvation or trusting in Christ... this One verse turns that Ideology into a Moot idea does it Not?.,
read the KJV if you want to know what was REALLY stated...
here's one Acts 17:22 read this out of the ESV or the NKJV...
ESV
So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious.
Really?... do you think Paul was complimenting these idol worshippers on Mars Hill for being :very religious?..
try reading the True.... KJV account..
oh here is One last one.. if you need more..
Rev 4:11
why were we created?.. You'll never find out in That verse reading from the ESV or NKJV...
and please explain to me what a "Waheb and Suphah".. are from Numbers 21:14 NKJV
and a "palonquin"..from Song of Solomon NKJV
there goes the excuse given for the NKJV needed in order to make the Bible easier to read...
How come the church is called New Center Christian Church if it is fundamental baptist? I have never heard of that before! Why did not they put FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST on the church sign?
Because it's deeper than book versions, it also reflects the denominations that are being pushed. The best version is first an open one, second, one that was divinely inspired by God.
@@Openrealityonly the Manuscripts are inspired. Not a Translation
You need to get out more.
The truth will set you free!
KJV Onlyism is nothing short of idolatry. There's nothing wrong with using the KJV as your preferred Bible. Worshipping it, however, is idolatry and that's what the KJV Onlyists are practicing.
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hard line legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his Independent Baptist mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.
Ya that's what we need a novel.
It still is the best translation.
Praying for us all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💞 my Savior 💗💕 1 Corinthians 15
There is so much wrong with this, I don’t even know where to begin. Firstly, deacons do not have the authority to let go the elder of their church. And certainly, pastors from other churches shouldn’t be involved in a decision this important that doesn’t pertain to their own church. There is clear structure in the Bible. Elders, deacons, congregation. And no prescriptions for disagreement or sin were followed. Congregation carries the final decision as per Matt 18.
For a church so determined to follow their Bible, they couldn’t have disobeyed it more if they’d tried.
They are "deacons" who don't understand what the biblical role of the deacon actually is.
The preacher is not an Elder. Where are the Elders is the question
@@CoffeeBreakSomewhere he is. “Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching.”
1 Timothy 5:17
@@5solas55 preachers are not Elders
@@5solas55 and Pastor isn't in the Bible
Thank you being an example of a good Berean no matter the cost.
You made me happy today to hear we have good students of the word out there challenging dogma, even among their brethren, that blinds them from the challenge and exhortation to know the word well. Be willing to see through the dogma of KJV Only that provides a false sense of security and keep teaching others and being an example of searching out the differences and providing an answer for them effectively. God’s sword doesn’t become dull in that pursuit as some fear but in fact it should become sharper as we learn how to wield it better by practice such as this!
Love how you still said you noticed the differences without losing your preference for the KJV. I wish they could have seen that. I’m sorry for the injustice for them to let you go like that without much study themselves. My heart breaks for you and your family how this occurred so I’m lifting you up in prayer.
Today you spoke well and I respect and commend you for it. I have been searching into such things myself, so I will go check out your videos and weigh the texts. Under sad circumstances, but your video comes at the time I and maybe other needed it. Hope that can give you some comfort!
God bless you. Grace and Peace.
A Berean studies the scriptures. This man has never seen the scriptures according to his definition of the scriptures. 2 Timothy 3:15 reveals Timothy had the scriptures as a child, but he did not have the originals. Jonathan believes the scriptures WERE inspired in the originals, but are not available today. He cannot be a Berean because he does not believe the inspired scriptures are available today by his own admission.
God had bigger plans for you. In a church that isn’t afraid of the truth. There are many many churches that would be honored to have a man like you as pastor. One of them will get that honor.
I’m sure it hurts, but the good news is that you have the opportunity to move forward free from the millstone of the KJV-only movement.
@@DansplainingTheBible Amen I thank God he kept me from the millstone of KJV onlyism.
Two things happened to me that made me understand the KJV is a translation.
1. I did what they said and studied.
2. The KJV onliest are always angry. Their argument is never humble and kind. It certainly isn’t in the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
This is so tragic that the would treat you like that. I pray God blesses your integrity
I'm so incredibly sorry that your past church went about things not in a Biblical way with the way they let you go. I wish church leaderships would get off their high horses and do things the right way. 😭
In the 1611 KJV, 1st Jn. 5:12 reads, " He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son hath not life." In the 1769 KJV, 1st Jn. 5:12 reads, He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." It might be a small difference, but it is a difference, and, according to KJV onlyists, "things that are different aren't the same."
Glad you got your out of jail card. I am sure by now that god has opened up a new ministry for you. Press on and be happy.
Yes, it has been liberating and a blessing. God meant it for good.
You always have the Lord with you and that is sufficient!
Brother. I will pray the good lord strengeth you, great things are ahead.
Thank you so much
Standing by the KJVO is like giving a Korean Bible to a person that doesn’t understand the language. Read which translation that you find more at helpful for understand & I suggest reading several translations together for richer study.
KJV onlyism has caused more problems than I can think of. Your correct in not being trapped in an ideology.
Westcott & Hort onlyism has caused all the problems... Being a Bible believer (King James Bible believer) is not the problem.
@@ColonelEmpireI am a Bible believer that is why I am not KJV only. Westcott and Hort never caused any problems. Just the deluded KJV only cult.
@@samlawrence2695 You *REALLY* need to look into Westcot & Hort... You will be better for it...
BTW Bible believers are not in a "cult".
You "Westcoitt & Hort onlyism" cult members are promoting Catholic bibles... Every modern version comes from Catholic manuscripts (Septuagint, VATICANus & Siniaticus)
I'll trust God not you....
@@Nick-wn1xw You just outed yourself as a member.
There is no King James Bible cult. We are Bible believers. We trust that our God keeps His words pure & preserved in *EVERY* generation...
You have a puny impotent "god".
II Corinthians 4:4 In whom the *god* of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
It is clear that your mind has been "blinded" by your puny impotent "god"...
My God is Omnipotent! He is able to keep His promises!
God said:
Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
I Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
I Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
I Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
You should join us Bible believers! We win in the end you and your cult loses!
its true tho
God's got something much better for You 🙏's. Thanks for sharing God's Richest Blessings To You and Your Family
I enjoy your preaching, pastor. I’m sorry to hear you and your family are going through this. I hope you are comforted by the fact that you’re not wrong here. You seem like a tough enough guy that you’ll tuck, roll, and come out running.
Anyone who DARES to call any actual translation of Greek manuscripts into English versions "word for word" and means it, is delusional, that's right, I said delusional; you have been lied to, deceived.
I read the Greek New Testament every single day aloud, I never miss a single day, using the HGP pronunciation (HGP) not the 16th century Erasmian pronunciation, and the English from Greek interlinears for syntax purposes, recognizing more and more quickly how to organize the English syntax as I read, all for the writing I do.
One learns immediately that there are no word for word English versions that people use for church and study. Not the KJV, NKJV, ESV, NASB95, NASB20, NRSV, NIV, LSB, WEB, DBY, NLT, CSB, HNV, etc., etc.
I love our brothers and sisters in anointed (non translation in all versions using Christ) Jesus and my disdain for deception towards brothers and sisters in anointed Jesus is unmitigated.
But KJV ONLYISM is a cultic belief and beggars belief.
At a time when we should be United in faith in Jesus. We need a savior. God is holy and cannot tolerate sin. We need God’s mercy found in Jesus.
Getting into disputes over irrelevant passages is ridiculous. You’ll find a better spot where God is calling you. Keep your head up.
I understand you have your stance but when your position differs from the churches statement the leaders of that church have standing to dismiss you. This has nothing to do with what you believe. You are free to believe it but the church is also free to dismiss you.
At this point, it's becoming clear to me that the KJV Only crowd are becoming a cult within the church body.
I grew up with KJV being the "best" translation, but back then very few people adhered to it with this level of ferocious tenacity. Personally, I stuck with it because I liked how the poetic language was challenging and lent a certain authoritative weight to the Scriptures that seemed to be lacking in most of the modern translations I've looked at - I have a fairly high reading level, so I understand why modern translations need to simplify the language for those who struggle with reading, but to me, it made the passages feel childish, like I was reading a storybook for elementary school children. That's why I like the NASB, it has the weighty, poetic feel to the words but is written with a more modern English vernacular that is far easier to understand and absorb.
@Dargonhuman
it is only being adhered to with such "tenacity".. as you state brother... due.. to the amount of a
attacks upon it today... as more and more people are falling into the clutches of these "modern translations".. we are seeing more and more being led away from God.. in such a faster veracity than ever before.. the ignorance has increased ..more and more people are being taken in by "Yea...hath God said..".. of the newer translations.. it is very scary..
check out these verses and compare them to the KJV... when you get a chance..
Genesis 22:8
Haggai 1:10
Acts 22:17
Acts 8:37
Rev :11
1 John 5:13
Job 4:17
Matt 5:22
Matt 27:35
Matt 18:26
that's just for starters..
Watching this bothers me on so many levels. One, we have pastors that believe what? What this version says or this version says? Two, the NIV says “fourth looks like a son of the gods” I notice “gods” is not in caps but our God, no need for the “s”. Can someone help me here with what’s being debated?
You have to read carefully. There is nothing wrong with Solomon's chariots. The 40k was for horses, and the 4k was for horses AND chariots. What does this mean? There is a separate storage for the horses WITH chariots, making 10 horses per chariot. No contradiction, read it carefully
No scholar agrees with your analysis.
It has nothing to do with who agrees, that's not how truth is determined. It's a matter of what the passage says with basic grammar, but nice appeal to authority fallacy
@@Natsu9k , except I didn’t. I encouraged everyone to look it up for themselves and to not take my word for it.
I stumbled on your video explain Isaiah use of the phrase "Everlasting Father" I found it very well done. So I went on to listen to more of your videos and came upon this one. The thing i found so honest about you is your recommendation to study it for yourself. You have set a good example. I am sorry you felt that 25% of one book's references were to an Adventist book. First because KJV only is not a doctrine of the Adventist church. As a life long Seventh-day Adventist , I am sorry that a book containing references to an Adventist book was used to criticize one of those books. I don't know where you have landed but am glad you made this video explaining your inocent and the righteousness of your defense.
I greatly appreciate your efforts to hold to the truth of 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
So difficult . . . complicated, hard and hurtful times. Praying for you and for God's use of these things to be realized in the lives of all parties involved and for Satan's use of these same things to be destroyed. Let us all remember that there is only one Church . . . the Church that Jesus said he would build. "I will build my Church . . . " And, let us also remember that all the brands we see in the religious range wars - all of the various denominations and systems of theology - comprise the church that man built. Nothing could be more clear from 1 Corinthians 1 coupled with 1 Corinthians 13.
I got kicked off a deacon board and my ministers license taken away because I believe God speaks to me. I did not claim new revelation. I only stated I believe God speaks personally to His Children. I mean how else is he going to lead us in our daily lives if He does not speak to us as we go about our daily activities.
The KJV only people are a disgrace, their cult-like admiration of the additions of Schofield has brought them into this scenario of trashing every other faithful translation
This makes me so sad on so many levels. God bless you, brother!
Nothing like a modern-day inquisition. I've watched the previous videos, and you said nothing that was not correct.
It is very hard to argue with these people. Those are the most hard headed people in the Baptist world. They don't receive challenges to read other literature outside of their favorite authors and it is frustrating because "they already have all the facts" before you confront them. I understand your frustration and discourage. I know what you faced with those deacons and I'm very sorry for you, but also for them, because they decided to be blind and follow a man made religion and worship a Translation, but not the God of the Bible.
you need to give each deacon a copy of the an actual 1611 King James and ask them to read it aloud to you...
@@ritadyer9295I can read the KJV just fine as have millions & millions of others. Don't bash the KJV just because it's above YOUR reading level
@@revelation20232Oh, if only all of us could have your humility 😂
I spent 20+ years in prison ministry.
Literally hundreds of men thanked me for providing Bibles that they could understand (non-KJV).
The complex sentence structure of the KJV kept them from reading the understanding God’s word.
@@ritadyer9295 I prefer KJV but I am not "only". If I face tough questions I read several versions. I once told a pastor I could not in good faith join his church because he was KJV only and at the time I carried an NIV. I said I would be fine with him preaching from KJV but I knew it would bother him real bad to know I was listening to him preach while I had an NIV in my lap. He said that was true. I do understand the KJV disability to reason though. They hold that version in as high a regard as I do God's word in general. When someone tells me homosexuality is ok I do not even enter into that discussion. God's word says no and that's it. Well they have that same passion for the KJV. It starts as theyveant the best translation so to be able to best serve God but then it turns into Idolatry with them worshipping the printed text while believing they are worshipping God. My question is if they are so adamant about having the correct version why don't they all read the original languages and give up English translations all together.
Yes I have my own copy. It's not what ppl call the 'kjv' today. KJV onlyism doesn't work. It's a good translation but it's a *translation* not divinely inspired. Read the notes from the translators in the KJV and they are clear they aren't KJV only. Why would you be KJV when the translators weren't even KJV only? The New Testament is written in koine Greek and the Old Testament is written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Not english. God chose to inspire Scripture in those languages, not English. And Christians can translate Scripture from Greek and Hebrew to English. Lots of Bible believing Baptists aren't KJV only. Bible believing Baptists that believe in Heaven and Hell, angels and demons, and that the Lord Jesus is truly God Almighty and is the only way to salvation. Scripture is *able* to make one wise for salvation which is through faith in Jesus Christ. And Christians believed in the True Divinity of Jesus Christ Before the KJV 1611 or 1769 was translated! And the Protestant Reformation against Rome was BEFORE the KJV was translated and the first Baptists were NOT KJV. Check the 1689 Baptist Confession. So if you are Baptist, you are descended from Baptist churches that are NOT KJV.
@@truthisbeautiful7492 God's preserved word in the english language is an understandable desire from a human logic point of view. It would be great if God had chosen to directly inspire a translation. But to imagine that to be a reality is at best wishful thinking. I personally believe God has ushered His word to us faithfully. Just like there are many ancient texts we compare with each other to assure an as close to original version of His word we can muster there are many modern translations to compare to each other for the same purpose. God has promised to work all things together for the Good of those that love Him. That includes bringing us His word with all the essentials intact. One thing funny to consider is that 99 percent of the time we hear preaching we hear a translation followed by a paraphrase. The speaker reads a verse then explains it in his own words. In many cases the original meaning is diluted a lot in that one step. I wonder why the KJV onlies are not upset about that.....hhhmmmm
Not only do kjv only people disagree with the translators letter to the reader and the scholarship in using textual criticism principles as they "revised the 1602 Bishops Bible, but they do not agree with the "so called" TR, 1611 KJV, MAJORITY TEXT, BYZANTINE TEXT, LATIN VULGATE, COMPULT. POLYGLOT of 1522, etc. concerning what Paul says are the qualifications for overseers, which are not chosen by the Deacons, or fired by them.
God pulled you out of that church for a reason. God will show you His plan.
Lol how about it starts by proving it exists instead of hiding and being invisible and silent and un-demonstrated?
God's the one who got him fired for not preaching the truth.
@@nzifb7409 prove your claim is true or be ignored by anyone intelligent
@@DS-si9hg ok...he got fired.
@@nzifb7409 repeating a piece of your claim is not proving your entire claim. Try again 👌🏾
It doesn't matter what Bible version you're reading if you're not following the true gospel of Jesus Christ you're still accursed, and it's probably better if you don't be a part of the racketeering corporation church anyways why are you complaining?
Can you please clarify what point you are trying to make?
@@pastorburris you know exactly what he is saying ! Galatians 1:6. Paul wrote in Romans 1:16. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15 verse 1-4. The Gospel for the Church age given to Paul by Revelation of Jesus Christ Galatians 1:11
You are fine man. You will be in a better place
Wow. Pastor this is my first video ive seen of yours but from this video i think this church lost a great man. I think someone will be honored to call you Pastor.
My brother and fellow pastor,
I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm praying for you and want you to know that I also came up against this spirit of pride. Keep your head up and stand! Much love my brother.
It's more like Jonathan displayed the spirit of pride and the deacons discovered it. Listen to his pride of his intellect and his has done his homework. He has yielded to the temptation of "the desire to make one wise."
@@JamesAllen972that’s about as an ignorant of a statement as one could make in this situation. So you’re saying we cannot have confidence in what is true? Truth should matter to God’s people.
Why do people have to be so mean and hateful . I don’t understand why this happened in a Christian Church.
So sorry to see this. Our family also had to leave our church over the KJV issue. I honestly don’t see any path to staying. There are many differences in views that can be worked through. As far as I can tell, this is not one of them. A helpful book to me when dealing with brothers and sisters in Christ who hold different views from my own is Winsome Convictions. I pray you find it helpful as well. Take time to heal from this hurt also. It is a legitimate wound and should be treated and healed before moving on. Praying for you.
I don't know the root of your deception, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn you have fallen victim to the corruption of modern textual criticism theory purported by such men as James White and Daniel Wallace. You are obviously confused and need much prayer. I suggest you look into Jeff Riddle's research and scholarship. "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Would that possibly be you?
At least KJV Only Christians tend to actually follow the Bible. Find me a KJV Only Baptist church flying a Pride flag
@@revelation20232 I have grown up in KJV churches and now have had some experience with non KJV churches more recently. In both, sexual sins have been found. It’s not the translation of the Bible that makes a church sound but rather the adherence to the truths found in any faithful translation of the Word that make or break a church. All sexual sins are condemned in every faithful translation so that’s not the issue. The issue is that men are sinful regardless of which translation they read and place their own desires above God.
@@TheSwatmachine don’t forget Mark Ward. His gentle spirit and pursuit of truth has been a godly example to me.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. I have come to know him as my Lord and Savior and by his gentle leading, I have grown in my understanding of the truth. For years, I followed the traditions of men and it held me in bondage. As I find truth, it sets me free. Jesus liberated my captive heart!
@@TheSwatmachineWhat is the root of your deception? Falling for the KJV only heresy
I agree with you on the KJV/NIV issue. However, my issue here is this. How could deacons dismiss a pastor? Deacons don't have this authority, your church polity needs adjusting to congregational.
I explained it in the video and in the comments. The church is congregational.
Here's what the King James Version translators themselves said about other translations in their Translators to the Readers Preface:
"...we affirm and avow, that the very meanest (i.e. mediocre) translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, containeth the Word of God, nay, is the Word of God. No cause therefore why the Word translated should be denied to be the Word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it."
They didn't for a second believe that a translation had to be perfect or without blemish to be considered the Word of God. I believe the KJV translators today would consider the ESV, NASB, NKJV and yes, even the NIV, to be considered the Word of God.
Keep reading, you missed a LOT.
Proof that the KJVO movement is the new inquisition. I prefer ESV or 1560 FE Geneva Pilgrim's Bible. Just don't greet me with tar and pitchforks if I don't have a KJV Bible.
I’m sorry this happened to you, but if you’re growing in a different direction that’s probably for the best.
the LORD will bless you in this
The "textus receptus" refers to the Greek new testament manuscripts not the book of Isaiah. I am not sure where you are going with the argument. Either way a youtube video after being released from a ministry isn't exactly classy, or a good testimony for that matter.
I misspoke when I mentioned the TR at that spot. If you watch the video I did on Daniel 3:25, I correctly stated that this was not an issue with the TR because that is NT only.
As to your opinion on my publishing my thoughts, your opinion is noted. Thank you for sharing it.
It’s so interesting to me that some people insist on KJV only as if that’s the original version of the Bible. It’s most certainly not, so how can it be the most accurate version? And were the churches who came before the KJV was invented not reading the “correct” version of the scripture? How odd. I grew up on the KJV, can quote scripture from it by heart. I study with the CSB now & that hasn’t changed the meaning of the scripture for me one bit. The Word is the Word.
I heard that study bible is good.
Although I was raised in KJV only Independant Baptist churches I cannot call myself a Baptist due to certain doctrines I have come to believe in. I will always admire the Independent Baptists for their willingness to tell me to not take their word for it and to read the scriptures myself to see what is true or not. I was not raised hard line KJV only but only in the sense of it being the best translation and I still prefer it to this day. I believe that the Lord will restore you somewhere else amongst those who are more likeminded with you.
You have been treated by men in away your Father never will. Take comfort in this truth.
The KJV is a very outdated text to use. Since it is based on the Textus Receptus, the Textus Receptus is not accurate. We have much older manuscripts available to us now, which is why we have more accurate translations that do not use the Textus Receptus.
David, well to be honest I admit that I am no expert on this matter. When it comes to biblical truth all believers must figure out for themselves what errors are grievous enough to justify breaking fellowship and what errors are not grievous enough to justify breaking fellowship. Here we have a KJV only minister who was removed from his position for not being hardline KJV only. A religious fellowship must have certain core beliefs that all must ascribe to in order for there to be a needed unity. However, if a people go to the extreme of having a very extensive and detailed list of beliefs where even the most minor beliefs are elevated to the status of absolutely essential you will end up with a people who feel like they do not have the freedom to think for themselves and form their own opinions. So we need to demonstrate wisdom in where we draw our lines.@@RestoringYourVoice
The church has had a long history of rooting out heretical views. Every translation of the bible from day one had it's detractors. Back then they would fire you too, at the stake. Be happy that they have given that up!
A few years ago I became a member of an IFB church. I had absolutely no idea about the history of IFB, Darby, Scofield, Hyles, and others. Now that I know and understand God gave me new eyes to see. Seems like he is blessing you as well with truth.
Scofield and the IFB have NOTHING to do with the King James Bible. I am non denominational.
The full counsel of God is found perfectly in and through Jesus Christ! Fear of man got you fired! Move on! No changing their minds. The truth shall set you free! 🤗
Would you please do a video dealing with 2 Kings 2:26 & 2 Chronicles 22:2? Pastors won’t brooch topics like that. They also feel attacked when church members bring stuff like this to their attention. Perhaps it is pride? We all fall prey to that little shackle, but we need to get a handle on the “hard stuff”. Thank you for making this video, now I have some studying to do.
Is there a 2 Kings 2:26?
While Scriptures are God inspired, there is no inspired version, because as you say, they are only translations. For those who are KJV only, does this mean that on this entire planet, only the English speaking world is saved?
Good video. KEEP Preaching Jesus Christ.
Im 3.5 years in and when i attempted to read the KJV, I constantly got lost in the language. I cried out God for the true bible to read. And He started me on the New Living Translation and after I got the hang of it. Locating the books and chapters and verses or just reading His word. I upgraded to the NASB, and i got one that i can put my notes in. And now I read many versions... you see at the very beginning I asked God to improve my vocabulary... and He has. God isnt snobby! He is a humble and gracious and ever amazing!
I'm part of a baptist church in New Zealand however till i understand more i stare very clearly Im following the Christ, not a church, not a pastor... but i do need guidance and sharpening. And if that sharpening was only the KJV, I would have been back to my old pagan ways years ago!
When i asked about Isaiah 14:12 noone could answer my question! Hmm
Thanks for your comment. Did you see my video on Isaiah 14:12?
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My heart breaks for you and those who don’t understand and don’t know. This boat of truly studying God’s word is a hard one to be in. I’ve been here several years (occasionally I jump out because I don’t like it but drowning in a sea of lies is harder). I have had people turn their backs on me. I’ve angered people. I’ve lost friends. I decided a while back that I would just keep my mouth shut and know what I know and not share it but pray others would learn the truth. I don’t like arguing, and to be honest, I’m not confident in myself enough to argue a point that I may not be right in and in doing so cause someone to doubt God because of my failure. I want those I love to understand Him and love Him. So I stopped asking questions publicly. I try to learn on my own. (That’s hard) I use other trusted leaders. And then I research what they say to verify that it’s right. I trust no one but Jesus.
I love KJV. It’s what I read everyday. However, when I have a deep question, I thoroughly study the KJV and Strong’s concordance. I dig into the Hebrew and Greek. (I’m not as fluent as you are but I have enough understanding that I can get to the answers I need) I look at other translations and I try to find and understand the ‘why’. It’s been hard.
People (especially in this area) don’t understand and think that if you even so much as open another translation you must not be saved, you’re a heretic, or any number of other things. Going to the library sometimes causes me to want to dress in disguise. And to top it off if the person doing the studying is a woman that opens ‘a-whole-nother’ can of worms.
I want to shout “if you learn these things you’ll have a greater and deeper love for the Lord” but I quit telling others what I’ve learned.
I want to thank you. You’ve solidified that digging deeper isn’t questioning God, it’s strengthening my foundation. You’ve renewed my desire to keep learning. And to share when the opportunity presents itself.
I don’t know where you’ll be in the coming months but I look forward to hearing you soon.
We continue to pray for you and your family and all of New Center. ❤
That is a cult not a church, it was always bound to happen once tradition was separated because now you have man's standard which always changes..
I think you would agree that it very well looks like, in the end, there will only be you and God, and thats it. Keep reading and studying and in His word you are safe.
I found this very interesting as I am also a KJV person and only recently discovered how flawed other translations are and its edifying. ruclips.net/video/U85CXY7y8Qg/видео.html
@@uncle_Samssubjects What bothers me more is they undermine trust in His word itself. Suspect if one is bothered by four vs. forty thousand stalls enough you can search it out and figure it out but regardless it does not affect sound doctrine one whit. It's kinda a silly thing to be troubled by in my mind vs those verses that do undermine sound doctrine found in ALL the moderns but not in the KJV.
Look at compare Acts 20:29 in KJV to any of the rest, note too doubting footnotes, look at Isaiah 53:8 as well compare and note the contradictory means between versions. And there are many, many more to look at that do affect doctrine that the KJV shines light upon.
@@Obediah002 if you believe that, you already accepted the premise that the KJV writers fully denied before they ever began their work, and the censorship of the word tyrant in the KJV is a obvious corruption to the text along with removing of "problematic texts".. when Jesus commanded people to eat of his flesh, the people refused and left back to their old ways yet the Apostles stayed even though they didn't understand.. those who had left Jesus also wanted those very "problematic texts" removed.. in fact Jesus ask Simon Peter why he does not leave like the rest and he replied "but where would we go Lord"..the Church was around for 1500 years before the KJV, it's a pompous position to think the KJV is in anyway superior to the Bible and the tradition of the Saints and Apostles. US modern humans love putting ourselves on pedestals because we lack wisdom, and we keep pissing away the faith to join the world..The KJV supremacy clowns should repent because they had no authority to remove anything "God breathed" for easier beliefs because it's not the same faith, and the fruit are clear to see.. Their is one Truth as handed down by the Apostles, if Jesus didn't remove the "problematic texts" then they can be problematic except for yourself..Cherry picking beliefs come from the KJV just look at all the error it spread throughout the world.. The KJV is the only bible reprobates read from.. where you find major heresy you will find the KJV..
@@Obediah002 i find it incredible dishonest to accept Jesus yet deny his Church and beliefs like 1500 years of the Church HISTORY didn't exist before the KJV..the KJV translators seen this problem coming and were sure to write that their translation was NOT GOD INSPIRED AT ALL..if you read the bible it should remind you of those who left Jesus after the last supper for the same reasons..The KJV has it, it's just ignored, because following Jesus had been replaced to following a 500year old book, extremely close to Islam where they believe the Quran will come alive with agency to judge the unbelievers yet the Quran affirms the Gospel just not the KJV,, because it didnt exist yet, Because man had yet to create it..
Praise the Lord! This is blessing the body.
Hi Pastor Burris. I'm a young preacher currently in training at a local IFB church. I'm in my final year of college at their local bible institute and I just finished a year long internship. I've been a fundamental baptist for my whole life and I've always been on board with their beliefs until very recently. I've started to question the strict rule book those who serve are handed and maybe even the KJV only position, which is a really hard one for me. I haven't totally abandoned the belief system yet, but I've been asking God for wisdom and a moldable heart, then I stumbled onto your videos. I believe He's convicting me on some things Thank you for presenting everything you do in such a respectful, educational manner. I do have a question for you. I'm terrified of the consequences should I choose to leave. I love the people I serve with and they have given me so much opportunity that I fear I wouldn't get elsewhere. I don't know if you can answer this but it's eating me alive and I'm desperate for counsel. What would you do in my position? I'm also scared to be wrong about the things I'm questioning. I fear God may look down on me in anger if I squander my opportunities here. Thank you Pastor Burris.
My Brother, I wanted to let you know that I saw your comment and I will be responding to it in full. Look for a reply sometime tomorrow. If you are worried that someone may see this comment, feel free to reach out to me privately on either Facebook Messenger or Twitter Direct Message.
Trust that you are seeing something here. If these people are narrow minded, angry, controlling, manipulative and teach my way or the highway, pray about getting out of this system.
I would like to see the scriptures that instruct the Body of Christ saying that Deacon/Deacons are to decide who will be an overseer. I would also like to see scriptures that instruct the Body of Christ saying that Deacon/Deacons are to decide who will no longer be an overseer.
Deacons have no authority to make that/those decisions according to the scriptures, the New Testament Epistles specifically addressing the Body of Christ under grace not law!
Brother, I don't know you but this video broke my heart. You clearly loved your congregation and that comes through so palpably. As a PK who is now pastoring, I will praying for you and your family right now that the Lord will heal the hurt and open another door to serve.
You are a fool according to GODs word..he just said the LORD JESUS CHRIST is not GOD manifest in the flesh
But a lower creation like satan...
"And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen".
1 Kings 4:26 KJV
"And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem".
2 Chronicles 9:25 KJV
Where's the contradiction? 10 horses per chariot
I just found your channel today. I'm a born again Missionary Baptist. It's terribly sad that you were fired. I'm praying for you, your family, and the congregation.
What a perfectly cultish thing to do that one will not consider evidence that contradicts their dogma but instead, crucifies, er, fires the messenger.
Don't be so indignant. They are intimidated by anything outside of their control. This includes history, reality, and God almighty.
Well done sir. You are correct. You are blessed to be set free from KJV onlyism nonsense. You have worked hard and God calls all of us to do that; especially those who are teaching others as you mentioned. You have a good heart and I pray that the Lord blesses you and keeps you and makes His face shine upon you.
The only inspired Words of God are the autographs and we do not have those anymore, unfortunately. All of the translations are based on copies of copies of copies of the autographs.
The authors of the NT (and Jesus) quoted the Septuagint and other versions of the OT, not the KJV. 2 Tim. 3:16-17 says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and Paul was referring to the autographs, not the KJV. These KJVO folks just don't use the brains that God has graciously allowed them to have.
The KJV translators also add things that were not in almost all of the older manuscripts in many places (e.g. (1) 1 John 5:7 is added but likely not in the autographs since the older manuscripts don't have it and it doesn't align with the verses before it and verse 8, although we don't need it because the Trinity is taught throughout scripture, (2) 1 Cor. 6:20, "and in your spirit, which are God's" was added by the KJV translators and not in most of the older manuscripts). These are just two of the many examples.
My Dad did a wonderful and long series on how the Bible came to be what we have today. He went through everything. He went through the supposed "contradictions" you mentioned (40000 versus 4000) and offered very reasonable explanations. Good job finding those supposed contradictions. There are others as well (e.g. Stephen's account in Acts 7:2-4 of when Abraham left Ur of the Chaldees versus the original account in Genesis) but all can be dealt with satisfactorily.
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Wow, Pastor Burris, I don't know you personally but this hurts. I hope you and your family will be able to have some healing time. I pray you'll find a church to lead that is eager to learn alongside you. (The Wisconsin Fellowship of Baptist churches is short about 10 - ish pastors right now, I think... 😉) Finally, maybe just a tad selfishly 🙂, I hope you'll put more videos out about Bible topics. Thank you for your ministry.
I pray the Lord blesses you today brother.
He knows.
Thank you for your honesty. I understand. 🙏
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hardline legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his IFB mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.
The irony of baptists insisting on using a translation based on a Catholic Latin manuscript over the original languages is never lost on me.
So which version are you reading?
It’s sad how quickly and proudly they are to disfellowship with so many other believers. They deny the many other bodies of Christ. We should pray God have mercy on them and not deny them come Judgement Day.
The irony of EVERY PROTESTANT denomination in existence being derived directly from Roman Catholicism. Oh, the irony of EVERY Protestant Bible translation being based on the very books that the Roman Church decided to include in “god’s word”! Shocking! LOL
@@UnbrokenBelieverThere are ZERO original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, so I’d say you’re pretty much wrong there….
@@UnbrokenBeliever You're incorrect on that point. KJV very much so uses the LV. A major reason why it's ironic that KJVO hold to that translation so dearly yet attack Catholicism so harshly.
Peace be with you. Having studied the question and the answer(s) to the question is how we gain knowledge and understanding. Remember, Yeshua spent about the first 30 years of His life studying the book that He inspired(created). To my knowledge have ever called Him arrogant. Nor should you be called that here. God's peace and love be with you.
Thanks for you honesty.
It’s completely wrong to recommend firing someone based upon hearing only one side and not viewing the evidence.
It’s wrong and let God judge them!
I don’t know you, but I just prayed that God would continue to use you. I left the KJVO movement about 2-3 years ago. It was hard to do, but truth matters. Keep seeking truth, Jesus doesn’t want us to believe a lie, a false standard, a tradition that is not biblical.
The Gail Riplinger books and all the other ones you reference… brings back so many memories. I’m so glad you are leaving the KJVO movement.
Thank you for your prayers.
Some can only handle the milk, but when it comes to the deeper things of God, the meat, they don't understand because they haven't studied it themselves.
Jonathon, here is a question you might ask the KJV only hardliners who had you dismissed from your service. Ask them if there was two or just one salvation gospel. In the book of Galatians in the King James Paul met up with James, Cephas, and John and they gave him the right hand of fellowship to carry the gospel of the uncircumcision to the gentiles while they would carry the other gospel of the circumcision to the Hebrew people. The King James makes it appear as two gospels delivered to two different groups. Other translations show it as one gospel carried to two different groups of people.
Then are you concluding that the gospel given to the gentiles was a different gospel given to the Jews or are you concluding that two different names are being given to the one gospel being preached to two different groups of people? @@UnbrokenBeliever
Believe it or not there really are those who teach there were two gospels. They even break it down to one being a you can lose your salvation gospel and the other being a once saved always saved gospel. Point is the newer translations make clear in this instance what the King James does not make as clear as the newer translations. The King James here does not rule out the possibility of understanding it as one gospel with two names but you sure have to go to the extra effort of cross referencing this passage with other passages of scripture to avoid the two different gospels conclusion.@@UnbrokenBeliever
Unbroken, actually I agree with most of what you have said. I strongly prefer a literal word for word translation over a literal thought for thought translation. When translators go the route of literal thought for thought they open the door for more of their personal theological bias to make it into their translation. By no means am I suggesting that any of the modern translation are as good as the King James. Apparently if I understand you correctly there are no cases where a modern translation ever is more accurate in any single verse of scripture than the KJV. As you go through your Christian life you will constantly come into contact with fellow believers who disagree with you on at least some small doctrinal issue. You will need to choose wisely which opposing views are so serious that they warrant breaking fellowship and which opposing views that you consider unbiblical are not serious enough to warrant the breaking of fellowship.@@UnbrokenBeliever
@@michaelcarrington7336 there are some who believe that the Jews were REQUIRED to be baptized to complete their break from the Law in order to be saved, while gentiles were not required to be baptized. this is called "mid acts dispensationalism"
I don't know you. I don't know how I came across this video but I really appreciate your heart and attitude in this matter.
More Christlike than I would have been.
I'll be praying for you, your family and the church in question. Love and blessings from a Calvinist ESVer.
In relation to Daniel 3:25, the substantive question raised by this Scripture is: Who was the fourth man in the fiery furnace with the three Jewish saints?
1. Was he an holy angel, one of the “sons of God” (an OT term for angels) in human form to minister to the three saints in their fiery trial? (see Job 1:6, Genesis 18:1-2 & 19:1-2), Or
2. Was he Christ Jesus, “the form of God” (see Philippians 2:6), manifest in the flesh, in a pre-incarnate visitation to console and strengthen the three afflicted saints?
I believe the latter is correct. In my view, the early English Bibles (WBMS, Geneva & KJV), based on the Majority Text, are correct in their rendering. At best, the NIV and other modern English translations based on the Critical Text are unclear and seem to muddy the waters. (Disclosure: I am not a member of an IFB congregation.)
What does Daniel 3:28 say? Nebuchadnezzar cleared up the entire question in that verse.
God bless you brother.
Praying for you and your family. What was done to you is wrong and the church will suffer for the direction the deacons are leading them.
God has great things in store for you and your family.
I would watch what I say you had better fear GOD..this wolf just said the LORD JESUS CHRIST is not GOD but a lesser created being equal to satan...is that what you believe?
The whole world doesn't speak english. We need translations. This KJV only movement is unbiblical and out of control .
Regarding the KJV-only stance-which is often bundled with hard line legalism-I highly recommend the novel Wisdom Hunter by Randall Arthur. It seems to be the premiere novel illustrating the destructiveness of the legalistic mindset. It's an international bestseller. Many call it a “classic.” I understand that the author was even fired from his Independent Baptist mission agency because of the novel. I think the book was even banned at Bob Jones University.
Strawman. We have no problem with other translations from the Textus Receptus. We DO have a problem with translations from the Nestle Aland.
The phrase like that of a god is in Aramaic “like that of a son of the gods.” Many patristic writers understood this phrase in a christological sense (i.e., “the Son of God”). But it should be remembered that these are words spoken by a pagan who is seeking to explain things from his own polytheistic frame of reference; for him the phrase “like a son of the gods” is equivalent to “like a divine being.” Despite the king’s description though, the fourth person probably was an angel who had come to deliver the three men, or was a theophany.
I dont know you, but I am so sorry this happened to you. Sadly, I am not surprised.