I just want to say, I see a lot of comments hating on the general osu! community and that doesn't sit right with me. Almost feels similar to what happened in the video, what happened to being kind to everyone?
man fuck this community sometimes people really forget that at the end of the day we're all human and have feelings and words really fuckin hurt. i wish people weren't as insensitive sometimes
@@Joshy- I can't imagine how beta/mentally ill you have to be to to have random people online call you bad at a video game and then go on to quit everything. This guy represented his country, won the OWC and was an incredibly skilled and respected player amongst his peers his skill should have been undebateable. He got broken by literal 7 digit bots saying he was the worst player in Polish team, and in all fairness he was. You can't control other people's opinions so trying to say what people can or can't hate or dislike or judge is the stupidest thing ever. If willy really cared or had some maturity his video would be a positive kind and warm video directed to alien complimenting and defending him. Instead he took the click bait moral high ground primary school little girl mentality of crying "guyssss don't be mean 😭😭😭😭"
Random people with no skill whatsoever harassing actually good players into quitting a game or leaving a platform is the most repulsive behaviour that we repeatedly see from the likes of Twitter and Reddit, time and time again.
I was in my first (and last) owc that year (2017). I represented Sweden and was already shaking from nerves hours before the matches. I performed well enough I would say but still to this day I think about what I could've done differently to improve my performance. I wasn't aware of the amount of hate Alien got but I knew of him back then, it's very sad to see that a minority of toxic players can have such a terrible effect on some players. I wish everyone not just in osu! but in gaming in general could just come to respect eachother regardless of results. Nowadays I only play for ranked score, I recommend everyone to do the same, the same being play what you find most fulfilling, don't care what others think of you in the game, play for you!
The pressure is really high when you’re playing in a international world-class tournament with many people watching you. I still don’t understand how people can still talk shit about Alien and to be honest, he didn’t even deserve it, the toxic side of the community just had to bully him for his “poor skills”. Personally, I think he could’ve been a top 100 even up till this day, and I still don’t know why the community has to do that to him
That day I was genuinely angry at the community as a whole for misrepresenting Alien's performance so blatantly. Thank you for including my Tweet at the time, and for reminding people of their existence. While I don't look back too fondly at my amount of swearing, those were real emotions coming from someone who was so very disappointed; so I stand by them.
I had a chance at participating in OWC in 2017 myself (for a country that didn't have that many top players back then) and decided not to because of exactly this reason. The community was terribly toxic then, way more than now imo, and just thinking about having thousands of people judging you for every little mistake can be especially tough when you're young. Hope Alien is doing good these days.
This is honestly so disheartening Like imagine being a top-tier player with a potential of becoming one of the *best* players. You do extremely well on your first tournament, yet people still don't really like you as "your impact on the tournament was minimal". Then you do your second tournament, and your team doesn't do too well but you did alright too. And everyone just starts obliterating you and even sending death threats because your team was playing worse than earlier and it's not even your fault. This all is perfectly said in Mike Tyson's quote "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."
I think this is a good lesson to learn when looking at cases such as Umbre with team Germany, where a lot of people were very quick to throw him under the bus and even mock him for what they percieved as poor perfomances during the World Cup. People are entitled to their opinions when it comes to gameplay, but it's good to remember that's just what it is, a game.
Umbre is literally my 2nd most favorite osu player tied with dustice and only behind whitecat/blackdog5 Ps: I'm not German but I love almost all of the German osu players
It's not just a game, to say that is to diminish all of the time and effort they've put in. It not being just a game is exactly why you don't mock and bully people like that.
@@nm3004 But then again, the flipside of that is it justifies the toxic mindset some people have of tying one's value as a human to how successful (or how unsuccesful) they are in competititons, as if playing bad in a match is a great sin commited against humanity (Look up the Bill Buckner choking in the World Series as an example). It's not really about diminishing the passion and the work, but more so how that is not an excuse.
i hope this serves as a reminder that not every person is as emotionally strong as the next. Comments and things that we say to each other hold a meaning to the person receiving them in a way we can never really know for certain. My choice will be to always play the role of good sportsmanship because we all should be here to raise each other up to the challenge, not take one another down..
I always wondered what happened to Alien after watching owc2018 despite having a good performance (SS on Indifferences and Yellow Splash for example), it's sad to see this kind of behaviour on the osu! community and owc but i hope he's doing great in life now
I feel like the osu community maybe changed their doings, but not the toxicity. It still feels super toxic. I wish we would all learn to be better people and not harass others over nothing. Extremely sorry for alien that they had to go through that.
I'm so glad we're mostly past that sort of thing now, some may call it the golden ages back then but I really can't stand how people were harrassed or witch hunted for no reason
These people hating on a Top Player is never even feel how it feels like once you are a top player. There is this insane expectation comes from these people though thet can just fc map in few tries in tournament but little people realise how much times to get that level even for top player, hell you can even see top player can still struggle play some 4 star maps due to vast variety type of maps wheter it's tech or irregular stream maps.
I feel like the reason we see a lot of toxicity in osu is because it is a game where many players from around the world interact with each other. A lot of people just don't understand what a lot of limits are, as some regions are a bit more lax on shit talking and all that versus others, also simple language barriers can make things seem harsher than they actually meant. Also, since ranks are public and a lot of people focus on rank cause them to set stupidly high and unreasonable expectations for high ranked players, and when the players dont perform to a random's expectations they are shit on for it.
Genuinely so messed up, I really hope that they ended up finding a game/community that was more respectful of their talent. Alien was 110% more talented than pretty much anyone that said anything negative about them. I only really watched 2016>2018 so I actually did remember them, and they were a pretty dang good player.
That's the worst side of every competitive game tbh, not only of osu. For some reason, those who play differently than others or those that just don't perform well at specific moment, automatically become "bad players" or "casual players". I wish people would just have fun of games and be more kind to others. UPD: ngl I have the same problem as most, working on it :)
sad to know that stuff like this still takes place to this day towards teams of countries that have less veteran players and are just trying to show that they are doing their best
Back in 2016 i represented Russian owc team. It was my first and last time ever. Went through all the same things except deleting my acc but just losing my passion to compete in this game. It's always the same.
It is very unpleasant to hear how some bunch of narrow-minded people, for almost no reason, starts to bully another. No one deserves to be treated like an Alien. Hearing nasty things in your address is terrible. I think it was too much. I can’t imagine who these people (although it’s hard to call them people) who brought him SO much that he even deleted everything that he has. I hope no one encounters this. Always be respectful too others. I really want to think that the Alien is doing well, and he enjoys life
imma be real, i think osu has one the if not worst normie communities ive ever seen. Pro's and content creators are all trying their best and are amazing, but theres so many cases where ive seen just the normal community being just so damn awful everywhere honestly
this is honestly why I hate the osu! community and why I started staying away from this community. Its almost as bad as the league community and thats saying something
if only combo didnt account for anything... then it would only be acc and no player would be as bad just because they choked two times in the half and 2/3 mark of the map but ss'ed the rest
I do get that people were in the wrong but really? I would've used those haters comments to fuel my drive to become better. I would ignore them since most of them do it to get attention
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I just want to say, I see a lot of comments hating on the general osu! community and that doesn't sit right with me. Almost feels similar to what happened in the video, what happened to being kind to everyone?
man fuck this community sometimes
people really forget that at the end of the day we're all human and have feelings and words really fuckin hurt. i wish people weren't as insensitive sometimes
Bro still has a primary school outlook to life 😭 people are allowed to voice their opinions even if it's negative lil man
@@LOLzum101 yeah but that doesnt come without negative reception from others if your opinion is dogshit or just a large red flag
@@Joshy- I can't imagine how beta/mentally ill you have to be to to have random people online call you bad at a video game and then go on to quit everything. This guy represented his country, won the OWC and was an incredibly skilled and respected player amongst his peers his skill should have been undebateable. He got broken by literal 7 digit bots saying he was the worst player in Polish team, and in all fairness he was. You can't control other people's opinions so trying to say what people can or can't hate or dislike or judge is the stupidest thing ever.
If willy really cared or had some maturity his video would be a positive kind and warm video directed to alien complimenting and defending him. Instead he took the click bait moral high ground primary school little girl mentality of crying "guyssss don't be mean 😭😭😭😭"
@@LOLzum101 there's reason you don't have many friends, this is one of them. learn empathy you insensitive asshole
Alien: i am done with this game i hope nobody will remember me
Willy on March 6 2023:
💀
Bullying is one of the many reasons we cant have nice things here
Yeah, like when mathi got #1
@@moraolmdg12344 fr
Alien was someone who honestly could of had a good career on osu, but because of the stupid and toxic community, that career ended horribly.
Could have* could of is incorrect
could have? He's a world champion xD
@@xCLiCH3E what im guessing is hes probably saying Alien could have been a really good player even in today's standard
the fact that people still saying shit about him is crazy, like chlich3e said, he is a osu world champion
.. wow. i have never felt more disheartened from watching an osu video, unbelieveable that the community just let shit like that slide back then
They still do, especially on twitter lol
@@Emerald_Forge Yeah that part hasn't changed, and probably never will unfortunately... People are always looking for something to complain about.
@@Emerald_Forge very true dude
Random people with no skill whatsoever harassing actually good players into quitting a game or leaving a platform is the most repulsive behaviour that we repeatedly see from the likes of Twitter and Reddit, time and time again.
Its funny how the people
Who harrased him could never dream of matching his skill
@@chioricoffeeinb4 they did
I was in my first (and last) owc that year (2017). I represented Sweden and was already shaking from nerves hours before the matches. I performed well enough I would say but still to this day I think about what I could've done differently to improve my performance. I wasn't aware of the amount of hate Alien got but I knew of him back then, it's very sad to see that a minority of toxic players can have such a terrible effect on some players. I wish everyone not just in osu! but in gaming in general could just come to respect eachother regardless of results. Nowadays I only play for ranked score, I recommend everyone to do the same, the same being play what you find most fulfilling, don't care what others think of you in the game, play for you!
Get this man a :true:
The pressure is really high when you’re playing in a international world-class tournament with many people watching you. I still don’t understand how people can still talk shit about Alien and to be honest, he didn’t even deserve it, the toxic side of the community just had to bully him for his “poor skills”. Personally, I think he could’ve been a top 100 even up till this day, and I still don’t know why the community has to do that to him
That day I was genuinely angry at the community as a whole for misrepresenting Alien's performance so blatantly.
Thank you for including my Tweet at the time, and for reminding people of their existence.
While I don't look back too fondly at my amount of swearing, those were real emotions coming from someone who was so very disappointed; so I stand by them.
the only case of a player actually griefing and bringing down their team in this video happens at 1:41
wait a minute
What happened there?
i see what you did there
ohhhhhhhhhb
mario games troll
I've heard about him, because i joined osu! in 2017 when Poland was in Finals, i was so happy for the whole Polish team, no exceptions.
I had a chance at participating in OWC in 2017 myself (for a country that didn't have that many top players back then) and decided not to because of exactly this reason. The community was terribly toxic then, way more than now imo, and just thinking about having thousands of people judging you for every little mistake can be especially tough when you're young. Hope Alien is doing good these days.
what country?
I feel really sorry for Alien that he had to go through that in what seemed to be his prime
And I'm betting people don't have remorse for what they did to him.
This is honestly so disheartening
Like imagine being a top-tier player with a potential of becoming one of the *best* players. You do extremely well on your first tournament, yet people still don't really like you as "your impact on the tournament was minimal". Then you do your second tournament, and your team doesn't do too well but you did alright too. And everyone just starts obliterating you and even sending death threats because your team was playing worse than earlier and it's not even your fault.
This all is perfectly said in Mike Tyson's quote "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."
For some reason this story made me cry. This is just so sad. :(
I think this is a good lesson to learn when looking at cases such as Umbre with team Germany, where a lot of people were very quick to throw him under the bus and even mock him for what they percieved as poor perfomances during the World Cup.
People are entitled to their opinions when it comes to gameplay, but it's good to remember that's just what it is, a game.
Umbre is literally my 2nd most favorite osu player tied with dustice and only behind whitecat/blackdog5
Ps: I'm not German but I love almost all of the German osu players
it's sad that this is happening to umbre now :(
It's not just a game, to say that is to diminish all of the time and effort they've put in. It not being just a game is exactly why you don't mock and bully people like that.
@@nm3004 THIS
@@nm3004 But then again, the flipside of that is it justifies the toxic mindset some people have of tying one's value as a human to how successful (or how unsuccesful) they are in competititons, as if playing bad in a match is a great sin commited against humanity (Look up the Bill Buckner choking in the World Series as an example).
It's not really about diminishing the passion and the work, but more so how that is not an excuse.
OWC 2017 in general was a complete shitshow for the community honestly lol
community still hasn’t gotten better which isn’t that surprising all things considered, given the demographic
Just imagine bro malding over a "skill issue" on the tournament that they will never play 💀
i hope this serves as a reminder that not every person is as emotionally strong as the next. Comments and things that we say to each other hold a meaning to the person receiving them in a way we can never really know for certain. My choice will be to always play the role of good sportsmanship because we all should be here to raise each other up to the challenge, not take one another down..
I always wondered what happened to Alien after watching owc2018 despite having a good performance (SS on Indifferences and Yellow Splash for example), it's sad to see this kind of behaviour on the osu! community and owc but i hope he's doing great in life now
I feel like the osu community maybe changed their doings, but not the toxicity. It still feels super toxic. I wish we would all learn to be better people and not harass others over nothing. Extremely sorry for alien that they had to go through that.
imagine a world where alien never quit and kept up his same motivation like rafis
cool video, wondered why he disappeared and this video explained a lot, thank you.
How detached from reality do you have to be to send death threats over a circle game lmao
I'm so glad we're mostly past that sort of thing now, some may call it the golden ages back then but I really can't stand how people were harrassed or witch hunted for no reason
this makes me sad for some reason
These people hating on a Top Player is never even feel how it feels like once you are a top player. There is this insane expectation comes from these people though thet can just fc map in few tries in tournament but little people realise how much times to get that level even for top player, hell you can even see top player can still struggle play some 4 star maps due to vast variety type of maps wheter it's tech or irregular stream maps.
I feel like the reason we see a lot of toxicity in osu is because it is a game where many players from around the world interact with each other. A lot of people just don't understand what a lot of limits are, as some regions are a bit more lax on shit talking and all that versus others, also simple language barriers can make things seem harsher than they actually meant. Also, since ranks are public and a lot of people focus on rank cause them to set stupidly high and unreasonable expectations for high ranked players, and when the players dont perform to a random's expectations they are shit on for it.
I remember first finding alien from his first hddt FC on insane diff of co shu nie's asphyxia thought that shit was absolutely nuts back then
very cool video on my birthday. enjoyed the watch
happy birthday
Thank you for making this video. I hope that those people changed and nothing like this will ever happen again.
They must learn what respect is mandatory before creating an account at this point..
Twitter users really need to get mental help
The most important moments in osu's history, are the ones we can learn and grow from.
Genuinely so messed up, I really hope that they ended up finding a game/community that was more respectful of their talent. Alien was 110% more talented than pretty much anyone that said anything negative about them.
I only really watched 2016>2018 so I actually did remember them, and they were a pretty dang good player.
Very hard for any games with large community
Unless reputated
do not look up OWC 2017 Poland vs Brazil Full Match
You know very well that I'm definitely gonna do that right after reading your comment
okay! I won't!
@@Simred69 thankds
That's the worst side of every competitive game tbh, not only of osu. For some reason, those who play differently than others or those that just don't perform well at specific moment, automatically become "bad players" or "casual players". I wish people would just have fun of games and be more kind to others.
UPD: ngl I have the same problem as most, working on it :)
"Osu players are real people too" Followed by a noodleshredder thumbnail
sad to know that stuff like this still takes place to this day towards teams of countries that have less veteran players and are just trying to show that they are doing their best
There are still his replays avaiable on ripple
nice
Now imagine if he got support instead. I bet he would be amongst top 10 🫡
oh, so this is the guy who got the Alien name. wow. OWC champion.
ok thats actually sad wtf.
Imagine he never quit and where he’d be today. Big shame on the osu community for harassing him
i remember watching 2018 owc and even twitch chat was really toxic towards alien but reddit even more so
Echoes of the treatment that Vaxei got xD
Back in 2016 i represented Russian owc team. It was my first and last time ever.
Went through all the same things except deleting my acc but just losing my passion to compete in this game.
It's always the same.
it’s sad that people bullied them so much for doing there best and enjoying the game
I cant lie when I saw the thumbnail I thought this video was about Nalian
before clicking on the video, I instantly knew it was alien from the thumbnail haha
sounds like twitter alright, i guess nothing has changed at all
Bro I like the community now damn didn't knoe we like that
This is why we can't have nice things.
It is very unpleasant to hear how some bunch of narrow-minded people, for almost no reason, starts to bully another. No one deserves to be treated like an Alien. Hearing nasty things in your address is terrible. I think it was too much. I can’t imagine who these people (although it’s hard to call them people) who brought him SO much that he even deleted everything that he has. I hope no one encounters this. Always be respectful too others. I really want to think that the Alien is doing well, and he enjoys life
Well this is just discouraging to become a tournament player
Twitter is such a vile place
shame on those who participated to hate on Alien
he faced a worse fate than Freddie Benson ngl
Well freddie now has a 1.2k so this is certainly true
imma be real, i think osu has one the if not worst normie communities ive ever seen. Pro's and content creators are all trying their best and are amazing, but theres so many cases where ive seen just the normal community being just so damn awful everywhere honestly
Yes, the community can be shit at times but saying it’s the worse community you’ve ever seen is insane.
@@spliffy1651 good thing thats not what he said
I literally said after seeing the badge its gonna be alien
this is honestly why I hate the osu! community and why I started staying away from this community. Its almost as bad as the league community and thats saying something
clock strikes
crazy how this community can be both so wholesome and so fucking toxic at the same time lmao
since when did the osu! community being wholesome?
What I've learned is that games that require hundreds of hours to be decent at can attract the most vile degenerates on planet Earth.
It's always the worst players who talk the most trash.💀
How about Inbefore? You know him?
assuming i know who kazamabc is...
Anyone knows the name of the skin at 4:01 ?
I think it's the 2017 osu lazer skin
if only combo didnt account for anything... then it would only be acc and no player would be as bad just because they choked two times in the half and 2/3 mark of the map but ss'ed the rest
what if... alien was willy william all along...
Death threats over a performance in something as harmless as osu? Yikes...
ive never heard of them because i dont play osu!!
this is just sad
Babe wake, up new Willy video just dropped
I only bully mark cause blud a robot
oh i know that yakisoba pan
Polska jak zwykle gurom!
Man stuff like this sucks, its sad that people cant just be nice, ill never understand this crap
some of the players hating on this pro player are probs trash players who cant even click 2 circles of a 3 star map
bros trying not to get known and popular osu content creator makes vid about him oof
If osu Twitter would disappear this game would be way less toxic
î haven't heard of him since i started playig in 2020 but holy shit man that's fucked up
polska gurom
tactical nuke incoming
omg, i am early to osu! video ;D
Willy
This is one of the reasons i really hate the osu community :(
I'm up next this game sucks
because i dont play osu
I'm the first YEEEEEEEEEEE
Interesting video btw
damn
osu reddit 🤢🤢🤮🤮
I do get that people were in the wrong but really? I would've used those haters comments to fuel my drive to become better. I would ignore them since most of them do it to get attention
Not everyone responds to negativity like you do.
i mean that s what umbre does to all the people who shittalk him for "underperforming".
i mean he got death threats, thats pretty scary i think
I swear to god 6 digits are so cringe because of such things.
Man this is so fucked up, just makes me sad.