I don't know what is more insane, the fact that a single cheater ruined the entire Chinese team, or the fact that if chicony wasn't suspicious and didn't researched more he probably could get away with it. What a world we live in
I am truly disgusted that the Chinese team was disqualified when they were all clearly better than their opponents without Fia. Fia honestly brought their score down.
Except Fia was also cheating in earlier parts of the tournament where fia was performing way better than when they were caught. Maybe they still could have made it to this point and won but you just don't know and its a good precedent to set.
@Feng Qi Guo I don't know man, crystal main ctb and also play std really well, but if you were to put him in a taiko or mania tournament he's not going to win.
@Feng Qi Guo Ah, then yeah you're right. Tournaments like that would make him a monster considering he basically can play 2 modes by himself, I thought you meant singular tournaments for modes, because like, I main taiko and never saw Crystal on any tournament here.
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 The whole point is he didn't know Fia was cheating. How do people not get this? If they knew Fia was cheating they wouldn't have allowed him on the team so no. He doesn't intentionally play with cheaters and his accomplishment shouldn't have been struck from the tournament. They should have zeroed Fia's scores and allowed the legit players on China's team to continue playing with 7.
I can't describe how much daunting it is to play against a cheater In our match against China. Fia had a 2.9 match cost, fced every single one of the 6 maps we played, playing against a team that gets 950k average by default from one player is a nightmare, not counting the fact that crystal played absolutely incredible. I just feel kinda sad for the rest of the team who wanted to play the tournament, and could've possibly placed top 12 even without Fia
@Hudson Hamman it took a crazy stance in the owc and tons and tons of people to find out the whole story, its not so easy to just find out someones cheating if they just present themselves as someone who doesnt communicate a lot and is a good player, they prob just ignored it and moved on like they shouldve. u cant play them for not knowing a cheater was in their team the whole time if theres no reason to believe so
@@Exilitate The best way to not get caught with a cheat on your team is to not invite one. This wasn't just some normal community member who cheated for the first time. They recruited a cheat ignoring the red flags.
I feel kinda sad for all the teams that got eliminated by China before China got banned and the other Chinese players who were looking really good Fia pulled down her own team and other teams as well
If you wanted to cheat, it would always be better to do so under a fake persona. And there was only person in clear control over this persona. The only insane thing is that Rio was too lazy to make a new social presence for Fia.
and to have the mental capacity to be two people not at a time, but BOTH at the same time well I guess its easier online but still I didn't think anyone was crazy enough to pull this off
Some more context on a couple of things: China's win against Russia could have bern almost unaffected if Fia wasn't there. Her score decided the outcome only on 1 map and even then her absense could have been made up for. Apparently, Chicony(and some other members of the community) actually had gathered a lot more evidence by the time of his "lost to a cheater" tweet but it was only revealed to a small group of people on stream(not even his stream i am pretty sure) and was not discovered at the time of his osu report thread. His position seems unjustified at first, but he actually had reasons to be confident in his allegations
It's scary how especially these days people need to phrase their words carefully, because even if they are correct, people will dismiss them if it's disseminated as an attack. People should learn to scrutinize more instead of saying things like "you're just jelly bro, git gud".
@@sublime_tv it's just unfortunate that he didin't have time to show the evidence he had before the match and of course he was salty after the match. I'd be too honestly
nope. that is the outcome you forget the russia prob salty because they know they dealing with cheater. That is the point what happens if world cup and the others team is cheating mid match. do you think the legit team gonna have the stable mental to do their best?
@@naffing5754 watch the Chess hans nieman vs magnus. Magnus was salty because he lost to hans and also he suspect hans is cheating whether hans cheating or not. The fact that magnus was salty because either he lost due to his blunder, han cheat or both. The mental game make him unable to win vs much worse opponent which is like 200-300 points below him which in chess is a lot
What's even worse is that the Chinese community had suspected Fia for a long time - hence this "joint performance" by Fia and Rio origins, to deflect a suspicions. In the end, she was accepted her as "innocent until proven guilty." To its own disaster for China team. You say it was an embarrassment for the OWC - what if, for example, China had won a medal and prize money? THAT would have been an embarrassment probably for the rest of the game's existence.... And it was not out of the question - Korea (and later Poland) showed that the United States are not unbeatable. PS. This "mapping in a similar way" was even crazier - both accounts hosted each other's mapsets, gave Guest Diffs to them, succesfully Ranked them.... They even teased each other in comments and discussions about them! And that's all in FEW DOZENS of mapsets! This, by the way, is thought to be the reason for this whole madness - one of Rio's maps was disqualified for Ranked at the last minute for.... copying fragments from Fia. Either he decided to take revenge or he was scared of being caught - so regardless of the reason he decided to leave in style.
@@abbc5156 @Saint of The Church of Autism It's also one of minor theories, firstly underestimated but after discovering this mess - clasified as possible
I had my suspicions of Rio & Fia being the same person based on personal experience online. I used to have an online friend, who blocked me after I asked if the gf account was also him. Had another friend who'd only communicate through someone else
Yeah I wasn’t surprised at all by that revelation. Being 31 and having been around online for now a good 18 years I can say it’s got all the telltale signs of an alt account.
oh my god, that happened to my old community back then too, one of the guys suddenly has a "gf" and brags to everyone. i found out later on when one of his close friend calls the gf name with his name and he replies as him
This is nothing lmao. You had gays pretending to be girls in 2000s mmos to get free shit. “My brother/sister/friend” has always been the bullshit excuse lul
Lol ? Do u rly think what players of that level didnt know about Fia and her "good skill in this game" ? Fia and all China team deserve to permaban. You cant just play with cheater in one team, win and after say like " i didnt know ". This is tales for kids
@Blynn They took her to the team themselves, they trained with her, they won games and they definitely saw her replays on the stream. You can tell this story to children who are naive enough. The only reason why the entire Chinese team wasn't banned is because it's hard to prove that they knew or not, but it's morally obvious.
@Blynn You can see examples of such situations in more serious and eSports games. Cheats and 322 - ban the whole team, you take a person to the team - you are responsible for this, if this person is banned - you are also to blame for this.
i'm sorry, why did it take them so long to realize they were the same person? that was literally the first thought i had when i heard she communicated through a friend.
One thing was that PinkHeart and Imoutosan/Fushimi Rio as mappers had pretty different and recognizable styles. Something that would probably be impossible to keep consistent for as long as they did before Fushimi Rio got the account (several years of ranked maps). It was definitely a point of debate in the mapping community of what exactly happened here. The player community got its closure when they found out it was all replay submission but as far as the mapping goes we still don't have a perfect idea. The main theory people have is the one presented in the video where Fushimi Rio is doing all the mapping for both accounts but there's still some doubt to whether PinkHeart has no access to the account as Fia had produced some extremely distinctive stuff even after the namechange (Countdown to the Blue comes to mind).
after this, I think *one of* the solution is to require all players to livestream the tournament either publicly or privately to the tourney mods. (with regulated sufficient quality & framerate) I don't know if it's practical or not, but for me that is surely one of the best solution I can think of
not sure if it could be done, since not everyone in the owc has a strong enough pc/bandwidth to stream and play at the same time. But also this isn't 2009 anymore, the majority has the power to do the things above. Maybe don't require it, but encourage streaming on tournmants
I think it's practical. I get lag on osu but I can still stream and the lag points would be the same with or without streaming honestly, I am on a laptop and just play for fun but if I can do it then I think most should be able too. I mean I run most games at like 30fps LMAO
They were it’s just that they both played in tournaments a the same time together which meant they couldn’t be the same person until the replay botting evidence came out
@@osuplaeyurreallygood i mean, not really. it was just that chicony noticed something off, and revealed to be this. not really stupid, just got caught like any other cheater
@@osuplaeyurreallygood I mean not really fia revealed that she had replay cheated in the past and didn’t get caught, idk man cheating in the past and not getting caught is some 5head stuff
dear tournament streamers: you can save a player's replay from the results screen by clicking their window and hitting F2 this may be somewhat relevant to the general topic of this video
i feel really bad for the china team, they played so well especially crystal, only to get shafted by a cheater. also hell of a twist with fushimi, cant escape your cheating also chicony being moderately salty and butthurt made people look closer and actually find the truth, the guy who called him toxic did not look good lol, sometimes people are gonna be sore losers dont be that guy
Ohhhhh. I remember seeing that 44 page thing and since I am not really into osu tournaments, drama etc I had no idea who fushimi rio or these were and what it even was all about. Thanks for this video it really cleared out things that I had already forgotten about lol.
I feel bad for the other 6 people in china team that have nothing to do with this and getting disqualified. Damn if I were in they place I would be mad AF at rio for cheating.
Yeah,Like Crystal is working his b hole off to save his team and ultimately win it,but because of ONE PERSON,it all gone If he didn’t think of suicide when he know that info. I don’t know what will
Bro that one with remembering where to put your mouse, is the wildest claim ever. Osu! Players just don’t need to remember it, for some other games it’s optimal to and other things with remembering things for different kinds of maps or something or other, honestly. I guess it all worked out though 😅
Me: Never even heard of osu before Video: "Player Caught Cheating!" Also me: How dare they sully the good name and integrity of this game I know nothing about!
What I truly feel sad about is the fact that the rest of the Chinese team trusted each other. Seeing them winning gave them that “false hope” that their hard work is finally putting in good use. To find out this whole time you were carried by a cheater ? Must really make one hopeless. I also feel bad about Italy and the UK, getting beaten by a cheater must’ve been a hard pill to swallow. I hope they get at least a chance to play again but I doubt it.
@@fumui_ In the asian server, almost all of the cheaters are chinese. Not saying all chinese are cheaters, but most cheaters are chinese because they have this mindset of being "the top and the best", whatever it takes". Source of my claim? The chinese cheaters on BF V, Apex, PUBG, Forza, GTA, Among Us (lol, I shit you not they even cheat in a non competitive game).
@@comet7760 yep thats why I always Tab, Right Click, See Profile if they have 500+ Hours -> I will spectate them until I see a prove beyond unreasonable doubt that they cheat before reporting if they have less than that or the account was blank or privated, then I immediately reported them
Things like this is exactly why games even chess require people to be on live webcam for any competitive setting and I believe OSU will eventually have similar requirements of a live hand cam at the very least an unfortunate circumstance for individuals who actually struggle due to computer speeds.
@@triparadox.c well he obviously didn't because he's playing at top level at every game he plays. It's much harder to cheat on 1 game than multiple games that has a strong anti cheat on.
I think OSU should make it mandatory to have cameras pointed at the players and their desks like every other eSport/game tournament. It would not only give more evidence but act as a deterrent as well.
Feels bad for the rest of them especialy Crystal, there are genuine og good player there but this incident and after that the situation in China is not so good the other consequence of this incident is also give legit offline player a bad name. At this point when I see a player boasting about their gain, goals or bla bla bla personal life I end up put them on red flag list before believe they are legit player.
Every time someone comes out as " I know this popular yet unseen by anyone internet guy who made an oopsie but they're really sorry I wish I could tell you" I immediately know it's them all along.
"osu lags if I connect to bancho" That was SUCH BS, I've played osu on a dual core system with a 1mbps connection and have never suffered "lag" while connected. Why is it that every time I read "cheating drama", China's somehow involved? Chinese players have even cheated on non badged tourneys, like WTF? Shame. Context for my rant: A Chinese team cheated during the "4Digit Mania World Cup" and got perma-banned from it IIRC, we faced said team (I was livid when I found out)
It's true, osu! lags when connection to bancho while playing but it's closer to losing few frames or a short freeze rather than whatever happened on the video
@@p0n-pompf osu casually drops a few frames every so often, not limited to connecting to bancho. I have like 2500 fps in this game and still can see slight lag spikes.
Nah, not when they are caught cheating more times than anyone else. Its a country filled with many bad apples and of course it is, that's communism in a nutshell.
Enforce required cameras on at all times during play and require all replays to be submitted after each session. You need to approach tournament play like Chess does when it comes to anti-cheating measures.
i dont play this game but SURELY layering the teams ontop of eachother is better than forcing spectators to try and look at 8 extremely fast pace games at once?
due to how the osu client work it's impossible to do so rn, but even if it's possible it's gonna be really hard to see if one player is poping of or not since if there's a miss it's gonna be difficult to see who miss the note, or if multiple players miss at the same note
That username readoff was the most awkwardly predictable string of names I could have thought of Especially "Joseph Joestar" jfc I feel called out by myself lol
damn, i can't believe there's such a sizable e-sports presence for a game that was based off elite beat agents, a relatively obscure DS title of all things
And in "most obvious twists of the century" Fushimi Ria was, in fact, Fia. I mean it's not even subtle they literally changed the username to an abbreviation of their _own username_ too.
The account dupe was a wild twist that suddenly makes sense of the avatar of both being the exact same picture, but highlighting the other character that's off-screen. This person *was wagging it around in front of everyone the entire time* and it took the biggest tournament to actually expose that.
Matching pfps is sth a lot of internet friends do so that's not exactly a gotcha. The fact that they share a social media account and Fia only talks through Fushimi was a dead giveaway though
Once you said it was a tournament about people representing their country I instantly knew you were going to say China. THeir gaming culture is beyond fucked because the Chinese don't view cheating as being bad. To them using any and all possible advantages is the way to play games. This is why most of the players who cheat tend to originate from China.
This is indeed the truth. But I believe that good gamers are definitely in the majority.The internal game environment in China is really a mess.I hope it gets better and better. Amen😓
Thanks Wilson for the Precept on The Brobdingnagian Skulduggery Impropriety in Osu!'s Annals i don't even care they cheated im just mad they will never make maps again
Not sure how relevent this is to the current game being discussed. I played against a player ranked in the top 50 in a state for the game Guitar Hero. At the time, I was somewhere between a low end Expert level player and the difficulty below that. What I found was they had practiced at such high speed that at lower speeds they were not as proficient as I was. I would have been destroyed at the highest difficulty no question.
The Rio = Fia thing was about as surprising as finding out that Clark Kent is Superman lol. Maybe it's the way it's presented in the video, but it seemed suspicious from the start.
Cheating is the only thing new gen gamers know how to do, it's sad. The osu community is toxic as hell though so what's a bit more drama but anything they desserve.
they used the exact same replay plays on both accounts. down to the millisecond same plays. so they either shared a computer or were just the same person, kept digging from there and they figured it out
@@ikillufrfree about the first part, that was only on fia. nothing showed any signs of a multi for fushimi rio and fia except for the communication thing
idk why but I realized Fushimi being Fia the moment you said they only communicate through Fushimi. This is _such_ a common thing in the Chinese gaming/esports scene, it really is kinda sad to see how little Chinese teams care about competitive integrity.
Might be slight bias for lack of better word, but it seemed painfully obvious Fia didn't exist, based on only having seen this video and having no prior knowledge. Like stated in the video, the constant lack of being able to provide basic proof of replays and basic existence, as well as the matching profiles, seemed quite blatant no? Maybe I'm wrong and overthinking, but good video nonetheless !
Dude, imagine being a super good player, verified and all. To then be basically told to go eat dirt because one of your teammates cheated. I'd be LIVID.
I don't know what is more insane, the fact that a single cheater ruined the entire Chinese team, or the fact that if chicony wasn't suspicious and didn't researched more he probably could get away with it. What a world we live in
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I am truly disgusted that the Chinese team was disqualified when they were all clearly better than their opponents without Fia. Fia honestly brought their score down.
@@Jdogrey1 it would have been extremely inconvenient, although i would have liked to see that
Except Fia was also cheating in earlier parts of the tournament where fia was performing way better than when they were caught. Maybe they still could have made it to this point and won but you just don't know and its a good precedent to set.
@@Jdogrey1 that’s how it works, one player of your team cheats, the whole team is out. Like that in any team oriented game or sport as well.
I feel so bad for Crystal, he's such a consistent and all-rounded tournament player
@Feng Qi Guo I don't know man, crystal main ctb and also play std really well, but if you were to put him in a taiko or mania tournament he's not going to win.
Yeah, he didn't deserve to get kicked out the tournament along with his othet teammates
@Feng Qi Guo Ah, then yeah you're right. Tournaments like that would make him a monster considering he basically can play 2 modes by himself, I thought you meant singular tournaments for modes, because like, I main taiko and never saw Crystal on any tournament here.
He plays with cheaters though
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 The whole point is he didn't know Fia was cheating. How do people not get this? If they knew Fia was cheating they wouldn't have allowed him on the team so no. He doesn't intentionally play with cheaters and his accomplishment shouldn't have been struck from the tournament. They should have zeroed Fia's scores and allowed the legit players on China's team to continue playing with 7.
Rip Crystal. He popped off and went crazy just to get disqualified
Yep. Got absolutely cheated by both Fia and the moderation team just for living somewhere.
Rip Crystal. He popped off and went crazy just to get disqualified
@@EllaMaster word for word
@@dejxyoob1730 Rip Crystal. He popped off and went crazy just to get disqualified
Rip crystal. He popped off and went crazy just to get disqualified
I can't describe how much daunting it is to play against a cheater
In our match against China. Fia had a 2.9 match cost, fced every single one of the 6 maps we played, playing against a team that gets 950k average by default from one player is a nightmare, not counting the fact that crystal played absolutely incredible.
I just feel kinda sad for the rest of the team who wanted to play the tournament, and could've possibly placed top 12 even without Fia
I feel especially bad for Crystal. They played like a god in some of those maps and Fia just took away that moment from them.
@@klutzmtg2310 I know, it's just sad
@Hudson Hamman it took a crazy stance in the owc and tons and tons of people to find out the whole story, its not so easy to just find out someones cheating if they just present themselves as someone who doesnt communicate a lot and is a good player, they prob just ignored it and moved on like they shouldve. u cant play them for not knowing a cheater was in their team the whole time if theres no reason to believe so
@Hudson Hamman bro its a community for fun event, no one should be having to do "DD" on their team for CHEATING
@@Exilitate The best way to not get caught with a cheat on your team is to not invite one. This wasn't just some normal community member who cheated for the first time. They recruited a cheat ignoring the red flags.
I remember when everyone was clowning on Chicony but he turned out to be right 😭
tbf, it was more the manner in which he went about them
yeah, these clown were hilarious
@@dcs_0 who's "them"? no disrespect for other chinese players, just calling out one person in particular
man, i hate those omerican wokies
Still handled it like a bitch though
he deserved to be clowned on tbf, he went abt it horribly
I feel kinda sad for all the teams that got eliminated by China before China got banned and the other Chinese players who were looking really good
Fia pulled down her own team and other teams as well
This is not the first time a Chinese team is involved in a cheating fiasco
"FIAsco"
@@absurddive oh I didn't know
@@absurddive Wilben_Chan in TWC 🙃
fia is a man lol
That ending was the plot twist to end all plot twists. I thought things that insane only happened in fiction
Fax, seeing this all unfold was an unreal experience LOL
That was a pretty obvious plot wdy
straight out of an anime lol
If you wanted to cheat, it would always be better to do so under a fake persona. And there was only person in clear control over this persona. The only insane thing is that Rio was too lazy to make a new social presence for Fia.
and to have the mental capacity to be two people not at a time, but BOTH at the same time
well I guess its easier online but still I didn't think anyone was crazy enough to pull this off
Some more context on a couple of things:
China's win against Russia could have bern almost unaffected if Fia wasn't there. Her score decided the outcome only on 1 map and even then her absense could have been made up for.
Apparently, Chicony(and some other members of the community) actually had gathered a lot more evidence by the time of his "lost to a cheater" tweet but it was only revealed to a small group of people on stream(not even his stream i am pretty sure) and was not discovered at the time of his osu report thread. His position seems unjustified at first, but he actually had reasons to be confident in his allegations
It's scary how especially these days people need to phrase their words carefully, because even if they are correct, people will dismiss them if it's disseminated as an attack. People should learn to scrutinize more instead of saying things like "you're just jelly bro, git gud".
@@sublime_tv it's just unfortunate that he didin't have time to show the evidence he had before the match and of course he was salty after the match. I'd be too honestly
nope. that is the outcome
you forget the russia prob salty because they know they dealing with cheater. That is the point
what happens if world cup and the others team is cheating mid match. do you think the legit team gonna have the stable mental to do their best?
@@stringdoll50 also might be true but i believe that if they got 4 points off and even 1 against Fia they maybe had a good mental going
@@naffing5754 watch the Chess hans nieman vs magnus. Magnus was salty because he lost to hans and also he suspect hans is cheating
whether hans cheating or not. The fact that magnus was salty because either he lost due to his blunder, han cheat or both. The mental game make him unable to win vs much worse opponent which is like 200-300 points below him which in chess is a lot
Imagine making a collab with yourself 💀
What's even worse is that the Chinese community had suspected Fia for a long time - hence this "joint performance" by Fia and Rio origins, to deflect a suspicions. In the end, she was accepted her as "innocent until proven guilty." To its own disaster for China team.
You say it was an embarrassment for the OWC - what if, for example, China had won a medal and prize money? THAT would have been an embarrassment probably for the rest of the game's existence....
And it was not out of the question - Korea (and later Poland) showed that the United States are not unbeatable.
PS. This "mapping in a similar way" was even crazier - both accounts hosted each other's mapsets, gave Guest Diffs to them, succesfully Ranked them.... They even teased each other in comments and discussions about them!
And that's all in FEW DOZENS of mapsets!
This, by the way, is thought to be the reason for this whole madness - one of Rio's maps was disqualified for Ranked at the last minute for.... copying fragments from Fia. Either he decided to take revenge or he was scared of being caught - so regardless of the reason he decided to leave in style.
When creating an imaginary girlfriend goes too far
When Schizo posting gone too far
Bro look at the profile pics
@@Metrallata it can just be "friends" sharing a themed pfp, explanation used to explain the pfp
@@abbc5156 @Saint of The Church of Autism It's also one of minor theories, firstly underestimated but after discovering this mess - clasified as possible
marking a true end to this whole "fia"sco :tf:
Go to pun jail
I had my suspicions of Rio & Fia being the same person based on personal experience online.
I used to have an online friend, who blocked me after I asked if the gf account was also him. Had another friend who'd only communicate through someone else
Yeah I wasn’t surprised at all by that revelation. Being 31 and having been around online for now a good 18 years I can say it’s got all the telltale signs of an alt account.
oh my god, that happened to my old community back then too, one of the guys suddenly has a "gf" and brags to everyone. i found out later on when one of his close friend calls the gf name with his name and he replies as him
@@abcdefghilihgfedcba
The telltale signs?
This is nothing lmao. You had gays pretending to be girls in 2000s mmos to get free shit. “My brother/sister/friend” has always been the bullshit excuse lul
I am me
My girlfriend is me
My daughter is also me
Anyone who questions, gets blocked
- most sane mabinogi user in NA
I feel bad for the China team for losing their accomplishment, because of Fia.
Lol ? Do u rly think what players of that level didnt know about Fia and her "good skill in this game" ? Fia and all China team deserve to permaban. You cant just play with cheater in one team, win and after say like " i didnt know ". This is tales for kids
@Blynn They took her to the team themselves, they trained with her, they won games and they definitely saw her replays on the stream. You can tell this story to children who are naive enough. The only reason why the entire Chinese team wasn't banned is because it's hard to prove that they knew or not, but it's morally obvious.
@Blynn You can see examples of such situations in more serious and eSports games. Cheats and 322 - ban the whole team, you take a person to the team - you are responsible for this, if this person is banned - you are also to blame for this.
@@-sava5938 what rank are you? training for OWC is not the same as in other esports.
nah screw china I feel bad for Italy and UK
"You thought it was Fia, but in reality it was ME, FUSHIMI"
I don't even play Osu and found this story crazy and interesting to follow. And what a plot twist at the end there!
same mate
Same!!! Ive known about this game for quite a while, just never been able to play it 🙃
I used to play regularly years ago until I stopped. This still intrigued me.
feel bad for that dude that carried them due to the cheaters blunders
felt like his carrying efforts went in vain coz of that disqualification
In China we have a saying goes like”一颗老鼠屎，毁了一锅粥” which means “A little piece of turd could ruin a whole pot of soup.”
copied, might be useful if I ever encountered more chinese cheater again heheh
@@fumui_ lmao i can see where you're coming from, but when you see a chinese cheater it's probably much more effective to just use NMSL
@@fangbozhu7379 hahahahahahha
@@fangbozhu7379 What's an "NMSL"?
@@fumui_ it stands for "you're motherless" in chinese
Most people rejected His message.
They hated Chicony because He told them the truth
Spoken like a true robeater
And you picked his side because it was over
@@menjolno legitimately 💀
Shut up!
@@menjolno fax right here
Imagine having the balls to risk going down in history as the first cheater who got caught mid game in the Osu world cup.
Imagine having the balls to risk going down in history as the first cheater who got caught mid game in the Osu world cup.
Imagine having the balls to risk going down in history as the first cheater who got caught mid game in the Osu world cup.
@@EllaMaster
i'm sorry, why did it take them so long to realize they were the same person? that was literally the first thought i had when i heard she communicated through a friend.
fr looool
same, didn't need to write a whole 42 pg manifesto to prove it LMA
One thing was that PinkHeart and Imoutosan/Fushimi Rio as mappers had pretty different and recognizable styles. Something that would probably be impossible to keep consistent for as long as they did before Fushimi Rio got the account (several years of ranked maps). It was definitely a point of debate in the mapping community of what exactly happened here. The player community got its closure when they found out it was all replay submission but as far as the mapping goes we still don't have a perfect idea. The main theory people have is the one presented in the video where Fushimi Rio is doing all the mapping for both accounts but there's still some doubt to whether PinkHeart has no access to the account as Fia had produced some extremely distinctive stuff even after the namechange (Countdown to the Blue comes to mind).
Hindsight is 20/20 I guess
@@NotFine that wasn't hindsight, that thought came before the video mentioned they were the same person.
after this, I think *one of* the solution is to require all players to livestream the tournament either publicly or privately to the tourney mods. (with regulated sufficient quality & framerate)
I don't know if it's practical or not, but for me that is surely one of the best solution I can think of
not sure if it could be done, since not everyone in the owc has a strong enough pc/bandwidth to stream and play at the same time. But also this isn't 2009 anymore, the majority has the power to do the things above. Maybe don't require it, but encourage streaming on tournmants
maybe required after semifinals
I think it's practical. I get lag on osu but I can still stream and the lag points would be the same with or without streaming honestly, I am on a laptop and just play for fun but if I can do it then I think most should be able too. I mean I run most games at like 30fps LMAO
@@nyan5000 if they don't have a good enough pc then they don't get to play in the tourney.
@@sakiradio bruh AR 10 or 11 would be impossible in that tho 😆
19 minutes ago i tripped on the asphalt with my mcdonalds tea and now i have a broken ankle. frick you whoever made this road so long.
Lmao
Is the tea ok?
Drink more milk
This is why I don't leave my house
@@Homiloko2 No Osu player leaves their house let's be honest.
How nobody was suspicious beforehand that they are the same person is beyond me.
They were it’s just that they both played in tournaments a the same time together which meant they couldn’t be the same person until the replay botting evidence came out
most 5Head cheating scandal ever
except not really because they got caught in the stupidest way possible
@@osuplaeyurreallygood i mean, not really. it was just that chicony noticed something off, and revealed to be this. not really stupid, just got caught like any other cheater
The best cheater has never been caught
@@osuplaeyurreallygood I mean not really fia revealed that she had replay cheated in the past and didn’t get caught, idk man cheating in the past and not getting caught is some 5head stuff
@@booIin mrekk!
dear tournament streamers: you can save a player's replay from the results screen by clicking their window and hitting F2
this may be somewhat relevant to the general topic of this video
@@junkonya i have literally done this and caught a cheater in 6wc
@@ITotallyGetThat oh shit theres a 6 digit world cup?
@@ITotallyGetThat i heard some time ago that it was impossible xd, thx for correcting me.
I don 't get how these online tournaments don't require handcams.
i feel really bad for the china team, they played so well especially crystal, only to get shafted by a cheater. also hell of a twist with fushimi, cant escape your cheating
also chicony being moderately salty and butthurt made people look closer and actually find the truth, the guy who called him toxic did not look good lol, sometimes people are gonna be sore losers dont be that guy
Ohhhhh. I remember seeing that 44 page thing and since I am not really into osu tournaments, drama etc I had no idea who fushimi rio or these were and what it even was all about.
Thanks for this video it really cleared out things that I had already forgotten about lol.
After watching this I honestly wonder how many other players like this are out there doing this. That’s just crazy
The Fushimi Rio & Fia being the same person was so obvious lmfao.
Their profile pictures are even of the same two characters!
@@bentacool8114 ? do you not know what a collab is
@@vonwaq I've never heard of people doing a collab with their osu profile pics before
@@bentacool8114 you must be damn new then cuz this is an extremely common thing for osu
@@leonn1805 I never interacted with the community much so that's why I don't know about it
I feel bad for the other 6 people in china team that have nothing to do with this and getting disqualified. Damn if I were in they place I would be mad AF at rio for cheating.
rip to crystals man that save was immaculate to watch and just one guy had to ruin it
Yeah,Like Crystal is working his b hole off to save his team and ultimately win it,but because of ONE PERSON,it all gone
If he didn’t think of suicide when he know that info. I don’t know what will
I heard this story before, but wasn't aware yet that Fushimi Rio and Fia are one person. Wow, my mind is blown away
Bro that one with remembering where to put your mouse, is the wildest claim ever. Osu! Players just don’t need to remember it, for some other games it’s optimal to and other things with remembering things for different kinds of maps or something or other, honestly. I guess it all worked out though 😅
i honestly dont get why people would cheat in a tournament. Like the moment someone gets suspicious youre done
Me: Never even heard of osu before
Video: "Player Caught Cheating!"
Also me: How dare they sully the good name and integrity of this game I know nothing about!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 same
"just happened"
What I truly feel sad about is the fact that the rest of the Chinese team trusted each other. Seeing them winning gave them that “false hope” that their hard work is finally putting in good use. To find out this whole time you were carried by a cheater ? Must really make one hopeless.
I also feel bad about Italy and the UK, getting beaten by a cheater must’ve been a hard pill to swallow. I hope they get at least a chance to play again but I doubt it.
buying 3 different laptops, and replay submitting in tournaments with 3 multis to take over the tournaments, see you soon
This is why we always get nervous when 视频游戏黑客 joins a match
When the enemy clan in a coc clan war has a Chinese name:
when 视频游戏黑客 has a multikill in CSGO, me: hmm... (Tab, Right Click, See Profile)
@@fumui_ In the asian server, almost all of the cheaters are chinese. Not saying all chinese are cheaters, but most cheaters are chinese because they have this mindset of being "the top and the best", whatever it takes". Source of my claim? The chinese cheaters on BF V, Apex, PUBG, Forza, GTA, Among Us (lol, I shit you not they even cheat in a non competitive game).
@@comet7760 yep thats why I always Tab, Right Click, See Profile
if they have 500+ Hours -> I will spectate them until I see a prove beyond unreasonable doubt that they cheat before reporting
if they have less than that or the account was blank or privated, then I immediately reported them
Fia and Fushimi Rio being the same person is like predicting a plot twist that i knew it was comimg
Fia is such a disappointment from our country
Things like this is exactly why games even chess require people to be on live webcam for any competitive setting and I believe OSU will eventually have similar requirements of a live hand cam at the very least an unfortunate circumstance for individuals who actually struggle due to computer speeds.
Still won’t detect someone shoving vibrating beads up where the Sun don’t shine
When you think about it, the best cheater in the game has yet to be caught 🤔
Imagine people back then were thinking Shroud was so good at PUBG, and he actually cheated
@@triparadox.c well he obviously didn't because he's playing at top level at every game he plays. It's much harder to cheat on 1 game than multiple games that has a strong anti cheat on.
that plottwist was insane
Kudos to Osu for not protecting cheaters unlike Activision in Warzone. 😂
I think OSU should make it mandatory to have cameras pointed at the players and their desks like every other eSport/game tournament. It would not only give more evidence but act as a deterrent as well.
10:30 true end to this whole "fia"sco
Fia's identity was obvious before the reveal, but glad it got confirmed.
Feels bad for the rest of them especialy Crystal, there are genuine og good player there but this incident and after that the situation in China is not so good the other consequence of this incident is also give legit offline player a bad name. At this point when I see a player boasting about their gain, goals or bla bla bla personal life I end up put them on red flag list before believe they are legit player.
Every time someone comes out as " I know this popular yet unseen by anyone internet guy who made an oopsie but they're really sorry I wish I could tell you" I immediately know it's them all along.
"osu lags if I connect to bancho"
That was SUCH BS, I've played osu on a dual core system with a 1mbps connection and have never suffered "lag" while connected.
Why is it that every time I read "cheating drama", China's somehow involved?
Chinese players have even cheated on non badged tourneys, like WTF?
Shame.
Context for my rant: A Chinese team cheated during the "4Digit Mania World Cup" and got perma-banned from it IIRC, we faced said team (I was livid when I found out)
Apparently other people have said their osu also lags when they connect to bancho, dunno the validity of those claims tho
@@Antside validity is almost none as i played on 12y potato before and somewhere in 2018 my fps doubled to 250 after multi threading came in.
Not even mentioning bancho itself requires close to no bandwidth, like even super slow internet under 1mbps should be enough
It's true, osu! lags when connection to bancho while playing but it's closer to losing few frames or a short freeze rather than whatever happened on the video
@@p0n-pompf osu casually drops a few frames every so often, not limited to connecting to bancho. I have like 2500 fps in this game and still can see slight lag spikes.
just happend?? dawg this was 10 years ago 😭
It happened on 1856 wdymmmmm
lol this happened in 30 BC you knuckleheads I was there
Bro you both dumb, that happened on the Big Bang
This actually happened at the Big Bang. I was there when it happened
It happened months ago not just happened
Don’t watch osu but Fia vs Fushimi Rio must’ve been crazy
Remember that we can't just say that an entire country is bad just because of 1 person
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You could say it’s because of two persons, except they’re both the same person.
Nah, not when they are caught cheating more times than anyone else. Its a country filled with many bad apples and of course it is, that's communism in a nutshell.
I predicted the "this person is Fia" twist the moment it was stated Fia only communicated through them as a proxy.
There have been 2 Cheaters in Taiko World Cups before 2018 and 2020 which were caught and got restricted
playing on two different accounts during a tournament is crazy
Enforce required cameras on at all times during play and require all replays to be submitted after each session. You need to approach tournament play like Chess does when it comes to anti-cheating measures.
I dont know what the fuck this game is, but i like seeing cheaters get punished
i dont play this game but SURELY layering the teams ontop of eachother is better than forcing spectators to try and look at 8 extremely fast pace games at once?
due to how the osu client work it's impossible to do so rn, but even if it's possible it's gonna be really hard to see if one player is poping of or not since if there's a miss it's gonna be difficult to see who miss the note, or if multiple players miss at the same note
that would be impossible
I feel so bad for crystal and the other China members tbh.
the fushimi rio being fia thing is honestly so sad if I were them I’d end it all after that stinker dropped 😂😂😂
wtfff the plot twist caught me so off guard. This is one hell of a story.
willy: finally, it's over.
me: nice
willy: ONE WEEK LATER
me: oh shit here we go
Why are people feeling more sorry for the Chinese team and not all the other teams that had to play fairly against cheaters
That username readoff was the most awkwardly predictable string of names I could have thought of
Especially "Joseph Joestar" jfc I feel called out by myself lol
I saw the title and m brain thought it was spaceUK related
damn, i can't believe there's such a sizable e-sports presence for a game that was based off elite beat agents, a relatively obscure DS title of all things
i've never played osu, but man i was never expecting this twist.
And in "most obvious twists of the century" Fushimi Ria was, in fact, Fia.
I mean it's not even subtle they literally changed the username to an abbreviation of their _own username_ too.
Rio. Not Ria.
Anyone who ever played an mmo can't be one bit surprised by the "plot twist" at the end
I don't know what an mmo is, but this happened irl, and I doubt whatever you're talking about is irl.
@@danielyuan9862 This comments gives me second-hand embarrassment.
Fushimi Rio vs Fia in a tournament setting be kinda crazy lmao. Playing against yourself.
Playing against yourself funnily enough is probably a genuine way to see how much you improved. But in this setting yeah it's kinda nuts 😅
Oh my lord! This is such a well made video :o Thanks for putting the time in to make it!
The account dupe was a wild twist that suddenly makes sense of the avatar of both being the exact same picture, but highlighting the other character that's off-screen. This person *was wagging it around in front of everyone the entire time* and it took the biggest tournament to actually expose that.
Matching pfps is sth a lot of internet friends do so that's not exactly a gotcha. The fact that they share a social media account and Fia only talks through Fushimi was a dead giveaway though
Once you said it was a tournament about people representing their country I instantly knew you were going to say China. THeir gaming culture is beyond fucked because the Chinese don't view cheating as being bad. To them using any and all possible advantages is the way to play games.
This is why most of the players who cheat tend to originate from China.
This is indeed the truth. But I believe that good gamers are definitely in the majority.The internal game environment in China is really a mess.I hope it gets better and better. Amen😓
I dont even play osu but this case is wild, the way they figure it out and the 40 page document is nut
My jaw dropped down to the floor with a speed of 727kmh when it was revealed that both of them were the SAME PERSON
Great vid dude
My biggest claim to fame is taking part in an osu! world cup. We came 4th so I didn't even get a badge :(
Thanks Wilson for the Precept on The Brobdingnagian Skulduggery Impropriety in Osu!'s Annals
i don't even care they cheated im just mad they will never make maps again
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Not sure how relevent this is to the current game being discussed. I played against a player ranked in the top 50 in a state for the game Guitar Hero. At the time, I was somewhere between a low end Expert level player and the difficulty below that. What I found was they had practiced at such high speed that at lower speeds they were not as proficient as I was. I would have been destroyed at the highest difficulty no question.
i love how you picked forsaken as your intro
The Rio = Fia thing was about as surprising as finding out that Clark Kent is Superman lol. Maybe it's the way it's presented in the video, but it seemed suspicious from the start.
Still feel bad for Crystal
Cheating is the only thing new gen gamers know how to do, it's sad. The osu community is toxic as hell though so what's a bit more drama but anything they desserve.
the plot twist was crazy 😬
but i really cant imagine how someone manage to found out they are the same person
they used the exact same replay plays on both accounts. down to the millisecond same plays. so they either shared a computer or were just the same person, kept digging from there and they figured it out
@@ikillufrfree Yeah but how did someone find those exact replays that are identical? It's still crazy.
@@ikillufrfree make sense ty ;p
@@ikillufrfree about the first part, that was only on fia. nothing showed any signs of a multi for fushimi rio and fia except for the communication thing
looks like osu and geometry dash have something in common
idk why but I realized Fushimi being Fia the moment you said they only communicate through Fushimi. This is _such_ a common thing in the Chinese gaming/esports scene, it really is kinda sad to see how little Chinese teams care about competitive integrity.
Might be slight bias for lack of better word, but it seemed painfully obvious Fia didn't exist, based on only having seen this video and having no prior knowledge. Like stated in the video, the constant lack of being able to provide basic proof of replays and basic existence, as well as the matching profiles, seemed quite blatant no? Maybe I'm wrong and overthinking, but good video nonetheless !
New Sub here.
Don't even care one bit about Osu! But your commentary got me hooked.
Cheers from Philippines!
my favorite captain chicone
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@@Chicony my favorite female player chicony
why does this kid wanna cheat in osu yikes he must feel insecure
Dude, imagine being a super good player, verified and all. To then be basically told to go eat dirt because one of your teammates cheated.
I'd be LIVID.
This is truly coincidental since not many days ago, the biggest Geometry Dash ⏹/\/\/\/\ cheating scandal happened.
This has been quite a Fia-sco
I cant handle the fact that he wont stop saying "Ose" or whatever bothers the shit out of me tbh
Multiplayer games are practically Slime-Magnets. It's been this way since the beginning.