Dead Body in Basement Reveals Perplexing Evidence | Amanda Antoni 'Unsolved Mysteries' Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Amanda Antoni? This case was the topic of an Unsolved Mysteries episode titled “Body in the Basement.”
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I love when Doctor Grande first looks at the background of the Case. And then goes to the timeline of either the incident or the crime and then provides his analysis without diagnosing. I love it every time. In fact, I think it gets better each time😊
I love it when it consistently generates an interesting dialog
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I love it when he makes insensitive jokes while describing the circumstances of someone’s murder
@@Big_Theft_Auto I do chuckle every time he says please like it. I know that is the term for liking the video on RUclips but it does sound kind of....
This is not a diagnosis just an observation, but delving in to this case I see an alarming amount of Cacti in Dr Grande's backround....
Man those old Unsolved Mysteries shows with Robert Stack were the best... especially watching it at night
i listen to them every night as i fall asleep
Yes!! Good times!
It's great just pointing and saying: perhaps you might be able to solve a mystery
And absolutely no one had a voice as great and memorable as did Robert Stack!
Yes! They were free on PlutoTv last I checked. Always watched them when I was a kid! The music creeped me out at night as a child though. lol
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My maternal aunt died in a staircase fall and her death was considered an open case for quite awhile. Finally, a reconstruction heavily indicated that my aunt accidentally fell and sustained injuries that mimicked criminally inflicted ones. Her son, my cousin, was at first suspected of murder, but our family urged the police to continue investigating.
wouldn’t be the first time LE put an innocent man in jail smh. rip to your aunt
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In this case I am too on the fence (25%/75%) and also lean towards accident. There was zero forensic evidence that another person was in the home before or during her death. That includes upstairs and in the basement. Nothing was taken, and no S.A. occurred per the autopsy. The likey "weapon" a ceramic pig, was in the same place it was before her death other that the pieces that were on the staircase. She had a migraine which can make sufferers have balance issues. If you look at how the stairway is open to the level of the floor, it's an accident waiting to happen. The bruising on the enter legs is strange for a fall, but there was no evidence of a S.A. that would explain it as a homicide which would explain it if there was a S.A. Her actions after her head injuries and because of her migraine cannot be judged as we would imagine using rationality and reason. The distance of the knocked down chair and her broken phone to the stairway could be just an indication that there was some sort of interaction between the dog and her that lead seconds or a minute or so later to a accidentally fall. The dog barking strangely could have been due to such a incident beginning. Animals, even domesticated ones can sometimes be unpredictable. The husband being out of the home at nighttime for the first time could have spooked the dog, especially if the dog is hearing the husband's voice over the cell phone at that late hour of night. The fact that the basement scene was so bloody but there was no evidence that a second person was there, nothing was taken, and no S.A. occurred, and that the stairway was a clear hazard, leads me to believe that this was an accident by a 75% likelihood. ~ I believe that a good reconstruction investigation could find the a likey means of death that would lean towards an accident by 95%. Wg
Sad and tragic, we come we go!
The other question is, "who is going to take care of the husband? "
@@WgWilliamsthe problem with all that is Amanda’s footprints were found in the blood at the base of the stairs , why wouldn’t she just go up , and the damn dog would eventually go down stairs to investigate
My cousin fell down a flight of stairs and died. He was a young man, in the military, fit and healthy. He had been drinking.
Very sorry about your cousin! I’ve read some head trauma information, and they seemed to indicate that being high can have an impact on blood clotting. Not sure how high a person needs to be, but she had been smoking.
Stairs, ladders, and bathtubs kill more people each year than Godzilla. Why is this ignored?
must’ve hit a soft part of his head or somehow severed his spinal cord. my guess is he was highly inebriated as folks in the military tend to party very hard. rip to your cousin
@poindextertunes thanks. Freak accident I guess.
@@saypuppy4266 ☆ thanks
One thing that struck me while watching the episode was the husband saying how he didn't think something horrible might have happened after the call broke down. But the worst is the first thing you think of in situations like these, and you want to make sure that the person you were talking with is actually fine. You call relatives or neighbors to go and check what is going on. In this case, checking in on her might have saved her life. They were texting all day on that Saturday, but for some reason, on Sunday after not being able to reach her, knowing how the call broke down last night, he doesn't do anything. It truly is a baffling case
I think it may have something to do with distrust of police (in low income/ dangerous neighborhoods there seems to be a much greater distrust of police) and maybe they didn’t have any close friends he could call . Additionally not everyone knows that a “welfare check” is a thing. And not to be rude but he doesn’t look to be the most intelligent guy in the world. Some people are prone to worry; others just shrug it off.
He had an airtight alibi and if he was affiliated with a perp , police probably would have been able to find it. There wasn’t even any evidence of anyone else being there in the home, and the kitchen above the stairs was a downright hazard.
One thing I wonder- the pets were out of food and water for at least 1.5 days- why didn’t any of them at least go downstairs at all to check on Amanda? I think most dogs or cats would have, and then probably stayed with the deceased
He mentioned that he figured she had gone to her parents because they lived close.
He said they had never been apart… You mean to tell me you’re attached at the hip to someone, you guys are texting, calling, the last time you spoke your dog is barking and the phone hangs up in an off manner and you dont think to call her parents to check on her or to see if they can get a hold of her? You said they live down the street. Your girl hasnt responded in one hour, two hours, one night, one day!!! That makes no sense to me at all. Stupid or not, I think anyone in their right mind would be so worried! He’s shady. 👀
@@Puglover130the thing about “airtight alibis” is their not always as airtight as they seem. He absolutely drove to his mothers, which is at least 6.5 hour drive. But a flight back is only about 1 hour 15 mins. Did his mother stay in the room with him all night?
@@KitKat102509👍Did anyone bother to check out their insurance policies? And if he had to help his mom take care of his dad's estate, maybe she wasn't capable of knowing he left her, when he returned or if he stayed as long as he said? I mean, how many probate lawyers/town offices/registry of deeds are available on the weekends? I think this neardowell got away with a clever plan, once he realized mommy got all of dad's $ and stuff...but Im a cynic prone to speculation.😳🙋🤗
👍I think this case is about two things that should be reconsidered. His alibi and the mess in the basement. Did anyone check the insurance policies, any prenups? I'm supposing if he had to help his youngish mom settle his dad's estate she may not be capable enough to recall if her son stayed w/her the entire time, or if or when he could have left and returned. What probate lawyer works on the weekends; or the registry of deeds/town hall? Did the police look into what was actually accomplished during the 3 full days he was away? This more clever than he appears, neardowell made a plan after learning his mom got all his dad's $/property and house, and got away with inheriting another "estate" from his wife, IMHumblO.
Yes, accidents DO occur-In '19, I lost my footing, fell down a flight stairs that go to my garage. It was a terrible accident, I woke up on my left side w my head in the drywall up to the bridge of my nose. I still have no idea exactly how long I was unconscious. And I have no memory of going down the stairs. It took me a long time to realize that I had to crawl back up & to the house phone to call 911. I was life flighted to a trauma center. I had a lot of injuries BUT incredibly, my head, neck & internal organs were all okay. If I'd had been over less than 1/8th of an inch, I would've went into a 2x4 and would've died. It's nothing short of a miracle that I'm alive.
Ur very lucky! My friend lost her BF that way. 🙏 one of his 4 kids found him.
DAMN!!
Congrats. Glad you're here with us.
I feel that many of us have almost died.
Amen. I'm glad the Lord was with you.
Too many naive comments/ must be paid “friends”. Outrageous comment. And fake.
Hi Dr. Grande! I just graduated with my master’s degree in mental health counseling and I would like to thank you for your videos! Thank you for the informative videos from DSM to supervision to true crime. I have been watching since I was in school for my bachelor’s degree in psych!
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There is no such thing as mental illness. In most cases, it's just people with lax morals. Read "The myth of mental illness"
Her neighbors were on the episode saying “we heard a distressed dog barking and a scream”. But then proceeded to do nothing. If they lived in a high crime area, why wouldn’t they do the bare minimum? Not that I think they did anything wrong, but it took her some time to bleed out and they could have had the cops there sooner.
Keep blaming the bystanders and police, but not the murderer 🤗
Unfortunately the bystander effect is real. Some either just don’t want to be involved or they don’t want to make a bad situation worse. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’d already be out and casing the area from a distance before approaching. I was ignored in a moment of need and could never quite understand how anyone could just look away.
I'm sure it haunts them - I hear things all the time and five seconds later everything is fine. It can become part of the neighbourhood.
Unfortunately there's also the police response.@@thegrimlooperprobably hit the nail on the head but calling the police in the city I live at feels useless.
I live in a nicer part where we just have to worry about speedsters and illegal street racing, but did have a seasonal job where I worked at one of the worst parts of the city as a tax pro. High homeless kid never understood (or didn't want to accept) that he was getting a refund but no advance. So a few days later came into the office as saying I scammed him. After my manager told him to leave he just got super focused on me, manager gave me the good to go to call 911. I put them on speaker phone and they immediately put me on hold 😂 high dude was like "not even the cops want to speak with you." About 20 minutes of waiting an operator finally answered and kid started packing his things to leave as I walked away from the cubicle to walk away from the yelling and screaming. Kid left. Cops showed up 40 minutes later.
I've seen many other instances where I wanted to call the police but after that incident, for what?
I think the fact that they live in a high crime area makes it less likely that they would call the cops. They probably hear and see all kinds of crazy shit all the time. It's just another day. Had it been in a gated community, the outcome would probably have been different.
Who on gods green earth thought that stairwell design was a good idea?
Right? It’s super awkward! Looks like an accident waiting to happen and it very well may have.
Not an uncommon stair design, unfortunately.
I looked at a house like this when I was house hunting and those stairs were a deal breaker, for sure.
A crappy developer for a low-income neighborhood. Cutting costs leads to poor design without proper materials like handrailing.
Canadians
I find it interesting that no one has considered the migraine in her death… how that could have impacted or exacerbated both her injuries and behavior post fall/shove.
Maybe she had an aneurism, and the fall caused it to burst 🤔
Yes, some people have visual disturbances with migraines.
@@saypuppy4266 That would have shown up in the autopsy.
I am a rare migraine sufferer. Thankfully much less due to Sumatriptan. I can anecdotally concur that migraines can get so bad and set on so fast that sight, sound, and balance are drastically affected. I wouldn't be surprised if she had an episode and it led to her falling down the stairs.
I know that people claim dogs can sense seizures in humans before it happens, I doubt the same for migraines. Maybe she was about to have a seizure and the dog was acting upon that?
My natural assumption is that she didn't really have a migraine. Who wants to give up their weekend to drive for 12 hours just to deal with in-laws and the red tape of estate law? I bet 80% of spouses "get a migraine" just before any trip like this. Every time I've "gotten a migraine" or a "stomach ache" it's before some bullshit like that.
I love that the Dr acknowledges the comments section "consistently" generates interesting dialog, rather than "always" generating it. 😅
He changed that up about a month ago, IIRC.
We got humbled 😂
Do we know why he changed it?
Yes, I wonder if he got called out on that?
no direct answer from Dr. Grande, we can only speculate. i assume it's just for accuracy can't be "always interesting" i suppose heh
Normally I shy away from gruesome content but the methods Dr Grande employs is so perfectly clinical and without any drama that it makes me feel safe to listen and think about these cases
And his humor really helps lighten the content of the case.
Me too! I feel exactly the same. His voice is so soothing too.
Things I find odd. If my husband was away and we were talking and the last call we had was what Lee described (dog barking, phone cuts out etc) there is no way my husband would just accept that. And let 48 hours go by after that without contact. No way. He’d either get home or get police to do a wellness check. Also the pets. Was there animal waste in the house? The dog was in there for 48 hours without being let out. If so where? Why weren’t there paw prints in the blood?
Exactly what I think. I am sure he’s had something to do with it. Maybe he hired someone
I think she was having an affair. The line disconnects and doesn’t reach back out for 48 hours…? I think it went sour and wrong. Very sad and weird. RIP
@@Amor_Fati_the comment about her underwear being fancier than usual and the broken phone made me wonder if the husband got jealous
@@Amor_Fati_ That was my first thought when watching the episode... that she had been having an affair. But there's nobody else's footprints, either. So damn creepy.
@@chaoswitch1974 I think the person wiped down because in the video it showed there was blood smears on the basement floor. Idk this whole thing is so weird. Hopefully she’s in heaven and we can ask.
Her footprints in her blood make me think of the case where a college kid goes home and attacks his parents with an ax. In the morning his dad gets up and walks outside and retieves the paper, goes back in and dies shortly after that inside the house. It is sometimes crazy what a severely injured person is capable of.
Christopher and Peter Porco
Yes he even got the spare key from it's hiding place because he'd locked himself out. Great episode of Forensic Files.
Yeah I just commented something like this to another person, I wanted to explain how people can do some pretty crazy stuff when they have a head injury
This case is an incredible mystery to me. I disagree with some people here saying Lee is suspicious. Nope. The investigators said that they checked him out thoroughly during the investigation, and found nothing, ruled him out. He was literally shown on camera video recordings, at various gas stations, on that particular road to the town where his mother lives, as he said he was. We know he was there.
The fact that he didn't call Amanda's parents to check on her is explainable, and in fact, even normal. As he said himself: he called her all the time the previous two days and on Sunday too, and it's proven by the cell phone data, as they presented in the documentary, so he did check on her. But he was also dealing with the inheritance, these are very intense and serious matters. Sometimes it happens that in such situations, a person simply devotes all their attention to what is closest to them, and what they must focus on now - in Lee's case, these were inheritance matters in the town where he was, far from Amanda.
He had been calling her all the time before the accident, and this is proven on her and his phone, in the data, so we know it for sure, so he simply had no reason to worry about her. Only when such an unexpected tragedy happens, does a person start to analyze as you do, that we could have been more careful, that we could have done more, etc., but when people live their ordinary, everyday lives, and don't expect anything bad, are very busy with other serious matters, they often don't think as you present it.
What's more, the neighbors said that they saw a stranger running away from Amanda's house, and again, Lee was recorded on surveillance camera miles away, where he said he was. So nope, it wasn't Lee. The hard evidence rules Lee out.
The accident theory doesn't explain the scene in that house either. First, even if Amanda's disorientation from the loss of blood is possible, and possibly explains why she didn't come back up the stairs, it doesn't explain why the dog didn't run into the basement to her. Anyone who has a dog, and especially a dog that has been with the family for so many years, as in Amanda&Lee's case, knows there is absolutely NO WAY, NO WAY, that the dog would not come running to you if you were in such a dire, violent circumstance! It is also a fact that if you were hurt that way, some sort of scream or loud distressing sound would come out, as is always the case of any human severely hurt, even just because of the physical pain, so the dog would hear it and be alarmed right away!
Again, the neighbors confirmed they heard the terrifying barking of Amanda's dog and freighting scream, possibly Amanda's, so we know the dog was distressed as if smth went terribly wrong. So why did the dog bark aggressively and not go down the stairs? Because someone was there and prevented him from it!
The accident theory also doesn't explain how the various objects were placed in the house. Could Amanda have fallen because of a severe migraine, dropped the phone, knocked the chair over on the floor, and fallen down the stairs, injuring herself on the piggy bank? Yes, except that the phone and chair were too far from the basement stairs for that to make sense, as the main investigator said himself in the episode, and the laundry basket was standing straight, intact, right at the bend of the stairs. If Amanda had fallen alone, in such an accident, then the basket would have been knocked over too!
That basket was literally at the beginning of the stairs, at the bend, so Amanda would have hit that basket as well, falling alone, and since she didn't go back up the stairs, that basket would have been knocked over, but it wasn't!! Because a stranger, an assailant who pushed her, adjusted it later and put it back on the stairs.
And one last thing, why was Amanda's pants down and no one is talking about it? In this documentary, it's specifically stated by the investigators that Amanda had her panties down, and it's also shown in the notes of the first officer on the scene. The only reason why Amanda would have taken her own panties off if it was an accident and she was home alone would be because she had to pee, and since she didn't have the strength to go back upstairs to the bathroom, she decided to pee in the basement. Except we know there was no trace of urine or other feces in the basement, Amanda didn't pee, so the ONLY explanation is that someone else must have taken her panties off! Investigators said they found no traces of semen or signs of a sexual assault, but that doesn't mean no one tried.
Someone tried to rape her, but maybe something scared him away, maybe the attacker decided he wouldn't be able to rape her, that he didn't have time, etc., gave up, and ran away.
The point is, that ONLY the attack of a stranger theory explains everything, the whole scene in that house, period! The assailant was maybe very smart, could have had gloves on and then erased all traces of the crime, or the assailant started something upstairs - for example, he tried to rape her upstairs and pulled her panties down upstairs - and then when he failed to rape her, in a fit of rage, he pushed her down the stairs, but he never went down to the basement himself, which is why there are no other traces in the basement. But as I remember, the detectives in the film said that some traces there resembled smearing the blood to cover up the footprints, so maybe someone went down there and then covered it up! Anyway, the smart and prepared attacker is the only theory that makes sense... but is it?
One problem still exists: the dog didn't go downstairs even once, even after the attacker left. Someone in the comments said that some dogs are afraid to go to the basement, also, old dogs often can't walk down the stairs because their legs are damaged, etc but these are concrete circumstances that simply don't apply in this case because Amanda's family in the episode said that dog was healthy, and he would have run to her to the basement for sure, so he wasn't afraid to go down to the basement!
Maybe the dog simply calmed down and let it go, as he was prevented from going downstairs at first, or maybe the attacker gave the dog some sleeping pills/medication to neutralize him. It wasn't said in the documentary, if the investigators actually checked, or tested the dog to see if smth was done to him to neutralize him, if they didn't that is a serious error! Special medications to neutralize home animals exist on the market, I read/heard of criminals using such substances to 'knock out' home animals during robberies, countless times!
If nothing was done to the dog, even tho other explanations exist and it could have been random, it's still very strange, because your devoted pets, especially a dog, would absolutely check on you during 44 hours of such horror! Just baffling!
You hit some key points I was worried about. The problem is, I don't see a rapist being smart enough to do everything that you explained. Giving the dogs drugs, placing the object that essentially caused the damage to her forehead in a perfect position to look like she fell down the stairs and hit into it, and I don't see why he would fix the basket because that would make it look like she didn't fall down the stairs.
The only thing I can think about with the dog is that he actually didn't see the incident. He only heard her making very strange sounds downstairs which caused him to bark and not want to go down the stairs.
There is a lot of things that don't make sense though. One time I saw a true crime show where this man was attacked by his son with a axe to his head, this man literally went outside and grabbed his newspaper, went back to his breakfast table started eating breakfast and then walked around the house doing chores until he died.
Sometimes people do strange things when they have serious head injuries. Only thing I can think of to explain why her pants were down, and why she just stood at the edge of the stairs, I'm guessing she was so discombobulated that she couldn't even walk up those stairs. Then she lost so much blood so all she could do was curl up in it.
I thought they should check if the dog was injured as well.
The HUSBAND set this up. This was the first time he ever left to go away. He claims she didnt want to go, but that what he says. We have no proof she said that. So, we have to take the credibility of a guy who does drugs and doesn't work on his word thats what she said. He says he heard a strange commotion and their dog barking right before the phone cut off. He tried calling and texting her with no response. 99% of people would call the police, call family, or call a friend who can immediately go check on a loved one under this circumstance. They would make sure nothing happend or at keast be curious enough to want to know even of they didnt care. This guy waited over 2 days until he returned home, after continued calls and texts with no response. He already knew. He claims his dog was excited and happy to see him when he got home. That means the dog was extremely dependent on his owners, yet not once did the dog go down to check on the wife during that time. The 911 call he made sounded silly, to the point it was even cringy for the 911 operator. The emotion was forced and it doesnt make sense that he cares about her that much, after ignoring the FACT she was unresponsive for over 2 days with no concern by him. Again, his first time away, his wife home alone, he loves her to death, but doesnt care she didnt respond for over 2 days, after he heard a commotion and their dog barking at the same time the call and communications ended. Thats everything needed to know hes involved. The oh my, she must have fell down the stairs excuse is actually a satire. Its been used by women protecting their husbands from domestic abuse charges and men as to why suddenly the wife or child has bruises. I 100% believe she was grabbed and pushed down the stairs. The dog theory is so dumb, dumber then the Canadian detective handling the case. Yes, that dumb. The chair 30 feet away was tipped and her phone was smashed with enough force that it had to be a wind up throw or a stomp. No signs of forced entry. That means the person or persons had a key or a pre determined opened entry. Amazingly the dog who was allegedly there 2 days with no food or water didnt run down to check on her or bark uncontrollably. That means the dog was most likely taken or kept locked in a room for the duration. The blood around the wife shows she actually stood up and moved around, yet for some reason she chose to just lay down and bleed to death instead. She made no attempt to climb the stairs, even though her bloody footprints were directly in front of them. The blood in some areas was wiped around and cleaned, so I guess she must have played with her own blood or cleaned some of it up as she was dying. Back to the husband, and this part is an opinion. A no offense opinion, but he appears to be gay. So, here is my theory. He wanted to get rid of his wife, but doesn't want people to know he is gay. He pays a hit man or uses his secret lover to kill her instead, perhaps his secret lover paid, either or. He needs it to be an accident to not only avoid a conspiracy murder charge, but so he can also get some insurance money. They didnt specify if she had life insurance, but she worked and the majority of employers give you free coverage even if you dont pay for any extra. The home owners insurance would also pay out on an accidental death. Keep in mind he had no job, and in my opinion wants a new life with a male partner. No clue how much she made or they had in their joint account either. He also miraculously remembered ALL of the places he stopped at on the way to his mothers and the way back, so they can check his alibi. I dont even remember everywhere I went today. He remembered 4 days worth. The only way someone would do this is if they purposely made sure to remember. When I watched this episode it felt like I was watching the film The Perfect Murder. Sooner or later people slip up, and I hope the detectives are playing dumb and arent really that dumb, as to not follow him around and keep tabs on him. If this is ultimately ruled an accidental death, then the husband will clean up financially. Im hoping they just close it and consider it an accidental death soon. This way we can see exactly what he does with the money, who he associates with, and where he ends up living. I would also personally pay for him to take a polygraph test. I know he did it, he knows too.
I think this could be a combination of a break in, attempted robbery and freaky accident. A junkie got inside through an unlocked back door, she tried to fight him, he shoved her, the dog was beside her making her trip, she hit the piggy bank and fell down the stairs. The intruder freaked out and ran away.
I completely agree with you.
This makes sense to me
I got shivers when they started mentioning no footprints, and the animals not going down to her body, then remembering at the start of the episode that he said she didn't like to go down to the basement, also chilling picturing her stood at the base of the stairs but didn't ascend for whatever reason, creepy af
Wow Dr Grande is rarely 'on the fence' regarding a case.
He doesn't usually cover cases where he would be, I guess.
He does often talk about cases that he is torn on, though.
The cut and dry cases don’t generate as much interaction. I think he knows when to throw in an actual opinion to mix it up and keep us watching and debating. He’s a clever guy
In this case I am too on the fence (25%/75%) and also lean towards accident. There was zero forensic evidence that another person was in the home before or during her death. That includes upstairs and in the basement. Nothing was taken, and no S.A. occurred per the autopsy. The likey "weapon" a ceramic pig, was in the same place it was before her death other that the pieces that were on the staircase. She had a migraine which can make sufferers have balance issues. If you look at how the stairway is open to the level of the floor, it's an accident waiting to happen. The bruising on the enter legs is strange for a fall, but there was no evidence of a S.A. that would explain it as a homicide which would explain it if there was a S.A. Her actions after her head injuries and because of her migraine cannot be judged as we would imagine using rationality and reason. The distance of the knocked down chair and her broken phone to the stairway could be just an indication that there was some sort of interaction between the dog and her that lead seconds or a minute or so later to a accidentally fall. The dog barking strangely could have been due to such a incident beginning. Animals, even domesticated ones can sometimes be unpredictable. The husband being out of the home at nighttime for the first time could have spooked the dog, especially if the dog is hearing the husband's voice over the cell phone at that late hour of night. The fact that the basement scene was so bloody but there was no evidence that a second person was there, nothing was taken, and no S.A. occurred, and that the stairway was a clear hazard, leads me to believe that this was an accident by a 75% likelihood. ~ I believe that a good reconstruction investigation could find the a likey means of death that would lean towards an accident by 95%. Wg
@@WgWilliamsjust curious why you think he trousers were pulled Beneath her buttocks ?
2:57 - I'm no criminologist, but the moment I saw the entrance to the stairway, I could tell it was an accident waiting to happen. It was way too open to be safe. Far too easy to trip over the corner where there should have been a railing. (Not that I'm judging them, I could see myself purchasing a house and thinking 'I'll get it installed soon...I'll get it installed soon...' Anyhow, such a sad story. And what a nightmare scene for her poor widower to discover. I imagine that image will haunt him forever.
Yeah, that edge is crazy. 😱 I could see myself leaning against that wall, momentarily forgetting the drop off, then losing balance. That's a game over fall.
I think the key here is the Migraines she was prone to, particularly that weekend. Maybe she had a sudden onset in that moment that she started to lose conscience. She dropped her phone, fell over the chair and then tripped at the stairs smashing her head into the piggy bank. After falling down the steps and starting to bleed out she struggled with conscienous and was highly diorientated. She struggled down in the basement and eventually lost too much blood.
Absolutely agree
Yep, that's my theory also
1. The chair was flipped over about 10 feet away from the stairs
2. The cell phone was broken about 8 feet away from the stairs
3. She stood at the bottom of the stairs after her injury but did not go back upstairs
Conclusion: An altercation occurred upstairs, she was thrown or fell down the stairs and she decided not to go back upstairs in fear of another confrontation.
I'm thinking his sister.
No forced entry and she'd no Lee was away.
Plus she was super pissed off, so there's the motive
@@sharonrhodes9612it’s just weird there’s no DNA found besides hers. Even if she did, they would have DNA at the crime scene. Very sad & weird. RIP
I agree.
@@sharonrhodes9612Why was the sister pissed? I haven’t heard anything about her.
Explain the piggy bank broke, and how the thing ended in another place

Anyone else wonder about this: he said to 911 that she was cold. But if he’d gone into the basement and touched her to check, he’d have stepped in blood and tracked it up the stairs. Blood was everywhere around her. It makes me think he didn’t touch her to see if she was cold. That confused me.
Could have been dried already
@@Emotionalsavage281 there would have been evidence of footprints or shoe prints especially then. Blood is sticky. Plus you can see the state of the blood in the very graphic photos. There were bare footprints but they attributed them to her.
@@Galloway278 dried blood isn't necessary sticky. Have you ever seen dried blood ? It becomes flakey and the older it gets it gets powdery. In Afghanistan we took a casualty that had his leg removed from an explosion by the time we got to the airbase which was about a hour the blood was dried like a scab all over the Stryker. The bare foot prints were from the fresh blood she just loss.
I am confused about this too, later on in the episode I believe he says he walked down 4 steps and saw the body, yelled at her, and turned right back around and called 911. The operator asks if he could go back down to see if she's alive and the dialogue cuts off as he begins to cry. We then see him in an interview room where he says he touched her and she was cold just like you reference he says this to the 911 operator. If he managed to touch her, where are the footprints? She was in the middle of the floor.
@@RobbieHarvey-hg2yv EXACTLY!!!! She wasn’t near the steps at all. And that whole area surrounding her was bloody big time. He’d have tracked blood back up stairs if he’d actually walked into the basement and then exited it.
✨ Yes, he researches the cases well & provides the facts without sensationalising or exaggerating which is increasingly rare on the internet these days.
If the footprints on the floor of the basement are pointed towards the steps, then she was on her feet for a little while after her injury, attempting to get back towards the stairs and upstairs. That would make me think that after she fell down the stairs and got badly injured, she recovered enough to get to her feet and tried to get help upstairs where her phone was. So, the fall down the stairs wasn’t fatal, at least initially.
Right. They actually mention in the episode that her cause of death was blood loss due to her head injury, not the injury itself
Poor absolutely Poor police work here. Somebody was in that house, possibly whoever she was having an affair with. That Woman did not fall down those stairs on her own. That broken piggy bank was placed on that ledge. Even the Coca Cola cans being awkwardly dispersed. The furniture in the House was awkward to me just the placement of the Coca cola cans the order of things placed so strangely(Murderer staged things and cleaned up the Crime scene). Neighbors heard the dog bark and claim they seen someone run out the House. Its awkward how her Husband tried to blame it on his Sister. (Was his Wife sleeping with her Spouse)Its awkward how your Husbands Dad dies and you dont go with him to support him(unless she had to work ).The relationship sounds like its problems and its no coincidence the 3 days He left she just ends up being murdered. Poor absolutely Poor police work here. So many unanswered questions. Whoever killed her was sent. she was having an affair with. All the blood on the Walls?? how'd it get there? How'd all her hair get on the floor mixed in with her Blood. Sounds like infidelity was going on or Meth or opioid addicts. No forced entry because for one she let the person in and she leaves the doors unlocked. Whoever killed her was coming in and out of that House those 3 days and staging the crime scene putting things in certain spots. places.
I wonder if the husband left his car at his mother's, took another form of transportation back to his house, did the deed and returned to his mother's, then got in his car and drove home. With expert police investigation, some of these factors could have been uncovered. A mere superficial perusal of the situation could have overlooked clues staring them in the face.
It was a 6 hour drive, and it’s very rural. The only way he could have done it was hitch-hiking, and it would have been really hard to get there and back without his absence being noted.
I'm not sure how he would have been able to continue messaging / speaking with her (up to the time she died) and continue messaging after. The phone would have had to either stay at the mothers or go with him, in which case the police would be able to track his whereabouts. It's an interesting story. Very perplexing and tragic.
No, his phone calls and texts were traced to his Mother’s place. He wasn’t in the area.
And how do you purpose that he managed to travel the 6 and half hour distance between them in at half an hour or less? His call to her was confirm to have been made from his mothers place at 7 and her time of death was determined to be between 7 and 7:30
So, did he magically teleported himself back home for a minute, is that what happened? 🙄
There's CCTV evidence of the husband saying he was where he said he was. And the phone calls and texts where pinned to his mother's area in Saskatchewan. Watch the Unsolved Mysteriea episode before making such comments.
So many situations involving the phrase "she supported him financially" do not end well.
Weirdly, he had a rock solid alibi this time.
Because if a woman is supporting you financially, or any kind of supporting, they cannot keep their mouths shut, overtime it starts with complaints, then proceeds with insults, then in the last stage its pure open hate and anger. That is just how it is, if a woman supports you. So, in order to be a man, you have to be fully all around independent guy. This is just my speculation overtime watching women financially supporting their partners.
@@hardver8855because she is in the provider role and it’s not natural so it comes out in anger. Regardless of feminism, women do not want to be masculine.
@@hardver8855 That's a bit too much victim blaming, I would say (I'm not denying that what you're saying happens, but I don't think those situations would lead a normal person to murder). It's known that men with certain personality disorders have a tendency to be "parasitic," so that's more likely the cause, in most cases.
@@AardvarkAdventure i wasnt reffering to what i wrote leads to murder. I just wrote that if women supports you financially ( and any other way if youre depending on her) it will not end well.
This case really gets to me, I have spent a long time thinking about it. It just looks like a break in and murder but there is hardly evidence of one, there's no footprints other than Amanda's, and there was so much blood it seems impossible someone could have murdered her and left without leaving a trace of it anywhere else in the home. I thought maybe it was her husband before he left on the trip and he took her phone to pretend to be communicating with her, sending texts back and forth and placing a call. A few things bother me about him, like why he didn't call her family or for a wellness check after not hearing from her in 2 days after an abrupt hang up. I'm also very bothered by why she would never have attempted to go back up the stairs, like someone kept her from going up the steps, she just stood there at the bottom, then went back to the center of the room and died. I also kinda think an accident is a little possible though I don't understand the logistics, like why she'd roll around in her blood and get it everywhere, her pants even came down. She f she had that energy to do all of that after a fall and hitting her face on that piggy bank, why couldn't she go back up the stairs? This case drives me NUTS.
I am a Calgarian and it's always strange to hear stories from here on the internet.
While this is a perplexing case, I think Amanda fell down the stairs. A very unfortunate story for this family.
I was wondering if a fellow Calgarian was going to leave a comment. It’s weird I really don’t remember this in the news. However she died it’s a sad story.
@@rhoho2217 I don't remember it either. 😞
As a Canadian I don’t recall this story at all
Nobody mentioned that one of her cats probably tripped her? If your a cat owner, you know...
My cat dashes ahead of me constantly and then rolls over to be pet. I have to be really careful on the stairs.
Agreed. Cats are real bitches sometimes 😒
@@gsandauthis wasn’t an accident in my humble opinion. Way too much blood. She smashed the piggy bank into her face ? Not likely.
Also the dogs were barking and heard screams. Also she was on the phone with her husband before the phone hung up
They said on the show maybe the dog tripped her
The biggest reason I do not understand *HOW* it could possibly be an accident’ is why then, we’re her pants around her ankles? Makes zero common sense
I saw a statistic 10 years ago that said tripping over pets on the stairs was a leading cause of accidental deaths in the home. We had a little dog & 3 young kids at the time so I always taught them to be extra cautious around the dog and tried to keep the dog from our steps after that.
I also had a relative who was half asleep in the night and walked into his basement thinking he was going into the bathroom. He dislocated his shoulder and it knocked him out. Doctors said if he wasn’t relaxed due to being been half asleep, he had a good chance of dying from that fall.
Just from those things above, I’ve never understood people having open stair cases in their home. Non carpeted long stair cases should be walled off with a door you can lock IMO.
My brother works at a hospital and he said it happens so often they have a specific "cause code" for it.
@@jena.alexia woah!!
@@briarrose29 When I say 'code' I should have specified it's a code on forms, not a Code Blue or Code Red or whatever. Eg. Cause of injury - ✅ small animal trip and fall (code 364). I still found it interesting it happens often enough it warrants it's own code on admission forms. What you have said confirms the fact it does happen all too frequently.
Some dogs are afraid of stairs.
apparently, Lee said the dog didn't have a problem with the stairs
The dog not going down stairs is a mystery
I can't quite explain why I love this channel so much. I struggle with ADHD and zone out nearly every time I turn on a video. But with Dr. Grande, I feel I can follow everything he says evenly. Been watching for years now and he keeps getting better.
Some dogs are afraid of basement stairs and will not go down them no matter what. That could be the simple explanation as to why Ruby didn’t go down there.
@jackdispennett744
I wasn't listening as closely as I often do - didn't they have 2 cats? I just wondered if she could have tripped over a cat. I have three indoor cats and they sometimes dart out suddenly causing me to stumble.
Maybe the dog was a rescue dog and had a fear of the basement from prior trauma. They never mentioned either possibility in the episode.
That cat theory is a possibility. My dad has very steep stairs into his basement, and we used to have a dog who was fine with going upstairs to the 2nd floor but wouldn’t go into the basement even if you coaxed or tried to drag him.
It was a labrador and I can assure you a labrador will move heaven and earth to notify the owner when it's dinner time (or whenever they get wet/meat food). That alone convinces me that someone is lying in this story
I think the husband comment about the sexy panties is strange
He said it like maybe she was meeting a lover or something. But it is pretty strange to bring up.
Probably a red herring. He was gone for a few days for the first time. She could have bought them to surprise him when he returned.
My initial gut feeling was that it was an affair partner she ended things with. The only way the dog would not go downstairs is that it was kept separate from you. Yelling at your dog would not be enough to keep it from your when you're in that level of despair.
Plus the dog
@@marydonovan4174 yes because the husband mentioned that she was telling the dog to be quiet
My husband died in a staircase fall at our home. He was upstairs pulling sheets off the bed. He came downstairs with the sheets in one hand, a coffee cup in the other, and slippers that didn’t fit him well. We usually tossed the sheets down the stairs, but, for some reason he didn’t do that. He suffered a traumatic brain injury and a broken neck. He spent 2 1/2 months hospitalized, but never recovered.
That's horrible! I'm so sorry.
My deepest condolences on your tragic loss.
So sorry. May he rest in peace ❤
@@DickyPasedena Oh, thank you so much!
I hit my head on an attic floor while jumping down the staircase. It was poorly built in terms of the spacing and you had to duck to get down. I had a scary experience and was just trying to get out as fast as I could.
I woke up about 60-70 minutes later with blood coming out of my mouth, ear and nose. I was working late for a client, was alone and no one knew where I was. I barely managed to call my wife who brought my grandad to drive me home. When they got there I’d passed out again. I was ultimately fine and did not go to the hospital.
My point was that these accidents are fairly common. She sustained a head injury and was likely concussed. It does not explain the neighbor seeing someone running but given the location and proximity to tomfoolery I wouldn’t put as much stock into this eyewitness account. I find myself on the fence as well Doc but also lean accident.
Reasons why I don't think this was an accident:
1) The dog was already barking heavily when she was on the phone and a yell was heard by the neighbors.
2) There is no way that any of the animals would not go down to check on her for an entire 36 hours. No paw prints on the blood at all. (This in fact, remains unexplained; unless, someome restricted the animals somehow).
3) Apparently she was found with her pants down.
4) The chair turned over and the phone shattered are consistent with getting up suddenly or some type of struggle.
One reason for her husband not calling police is that if you live in a high crime area you learn not to call them because they act like you're the criminal for making a call.
What would you do about that body in the basement? The longer you wait the guiltier you look.
@@captainamerica6525 He didn't know she had died.
They lived in an area where crime happened meaning things happened sometimes vs a neighborhood where nothing happens at all. They wasn’t living in Cabrini Green 😆 Those rules don’t apply in that neighborhood
I rarely believe the mysterious intruder excuse/theory, it's usually someone they know who murders them. Excellent points again. Thanks Dr G😊💜💜
What an eerie case.
Took me a few minutes to realise the video wasn’t about a couple named “Amanda and Tony” 😅
Same here! I had to read the description. 😂
I was watching it on Netflix and I said “who the hell is Tony”?
I always joke that one day people will find me at the bottom of the stairs because I trip over my dog. Sometimes he darts in front of me while running down the stairs, and I trip over him. I've been lucky enough to grab onto the railing each time.
The chair isn't far from the steps. Perhaps the dog darted in front of her, and she tripped over it, causing the yelping sound her husband heard.
The chair is just a few steps away from the basement stairs. The photos showed the backrest was pointed toward the basment.
When she tripped over the dog, she tried to grab the chair to break her fall. Instead, the chair tipped over, causing her to lose her balance again and stumble backwards toward the basement.
She missed a step and attempted to turn around to grab the railing but missed another step, propelling herself into the piggy bank. The noise from that scared the dog, which then went into hiding.
If her dog is like mine, he sits by the window until someone comes home if no one is around. He won't move from that spot. So, after a while, the dog assumed she had left the house came out of hiding and waited by the window until someone came home.
After being knocked out, you don't just wake up and walk around like nothing happened. You're still dizzy and confused. She was already suffering from a migraine, and the hit probably made it much worse, along with the rapid loss of blood.
She probably didn't know she was bleeding. And like she did earlier that day for her migraine. She decided to take a nap on the floor.
It does sound like a crazy, sad freak accident.
Yes, a hard one but I disagree, what are the odds of hubby out of town (history of never going out of town) but it happened that very night? Detectives didn't do their work on this one, it happens all the time.
But it was for his father's estate, and his father can only die once. There's not going to be a history of that.
The detectives actually did do their work by literally following his drive from that weekend, corroborated by CCTV footage. If the husband had somehow made his way back or left a paper trail to pay someone to do it he would’ve slipped up somewhere. There’s no evidence to prove that. Don’t forget that the police also suspected him in the beginning and literally focused on getting evidence against him but his story checked out. I’m not sure if you watched the episode on Netflix but unfortunately he genuinely had nothing to do with this.
@@Because-rt8qsexactly
It doesn't make sense that the dog never went downstairs.
It is odd, she was awake though, so maybe the dog thought she was ok enough. She walked around a lot, so it could have been that simple. Very very strange case though.
My dog never goes downstairs to the basement under any circumstance. She's afraid of the steps!!
Is it really that strange? We don’t know how this dog behaved. Maybe it never went to the basement for whatever reason.
Depends on the dog and how attached they are to their owners. My dog never follows me around for instance. Also maybe that dog is not a fan of stairs.
The husband lee said the dog would of gone down the stairs if she thought she was hurt or hurt to find her
It may sound stupid but I think the dog was acting weird and that the dog knocked the phone out of Amanda's hand and ran away and knocked over the chair as a result. When Amanda, in her anger, tried to correct the dog, she tripped over the dog and into the basement. That explains why the dog didn't dare to go to the basement in 48 hours because the dog knew Amanda was mad at him. Dogs usually know that their owner can be angry and they also know when they have done something wrong. So the dog stayed upstairs because he was afraid of being punished and knew he did something wrong.
Amanda was probably disoriented by the blow on her head and the migraine, so she walked around the basement until she passed out from blood loss.
IDK I'm kind of stuck on the severity of Amanda's injuries. When I was about her age, I fell down a flight of basement stairs. I was very bruised more than cut or scratched & experienced back pain for a few months.
So....can anyone confirm sightings of hubby all 3 days he was gone??? No repeated attempts to reach her by phone is verrry suspicious.
Did you watch the UM episode? He was trying to reach her the rest of the weekend. He kept calling the house phone and messaging but her mobile was dead. His phone records were traced and he was out of the area, cameras show him stopping for fuel where he said he did. And after she didn’t answer him on Sunday, he got in the car and drove back home to find out what was going on.
_A simple yet tragic stairwell accident, or a brutal murder perpetrated by a vicious killer? The truth of what happened to thirty-one year old Amanda Antoni may never be known. For in a society where 40% of homicides go unsolved, her case, like hundreds of thousands of others, may forever remain inconclusive. -- Stored under 'm' for 'mystery,' in the dead file of...The Twilight Zone._
Do people here really believe it’s possible to trip over a dog on one side of a room, drop the phone and smash it violently, keep tripping to the other side of the room, fall down the stars and drop their pants off mid fall?
Do these people have a big dog and know what it’s like to trip over it? Do these people truly believe the dog and the cat would stay out of the basement for the whole 2 days? Are you joking? Do you just like making up the laws of physics? That’s absolutely nuts.
I find it sad that the kitties and dog were left to fend for themselves.
I find it unsettling her husband went away for 3 days and never tried to figure out why she wasn’t answering phone calls.
I find it VERY sad that this woman had such a tragic end.
I guess we never know all the answers, I’m speculating. 🌵
The pets would eat her when they got hungry.
He did try, but he was 6.5 hours away and he's not going to call the cops when the evidence didn't prove danger. Sounded like a quick hang-up or battery dying. He had nothing to do with the crime.
@@christopherortiz9330 doesn’t mean he had anything to do with the crime, but if she didn’t call back, normally a person would try to call the neighbors or relative nearby to check on her. It’s normal for sometimes for a call to get cut off because of the battery or the weather but usually such as me when that happens I call back either right away or when the battery becomes recharged.
This has happened with my friends and relatives and I either wait for them to call me back or I called them back but if either one of us couldn’t get hold of the other one in say 30 minutes then I would greatly wonder and try another way to get back with them.
I just saw the Netflix documentary. My opinion is clear, she fought someone inside the house , eventually she was pushed against the piggie (coins) caused the severe concussion , than she was pushed to the basement where she manage to stand up , but could not climb the stairs up because the killer was there. Also the animals behavior gives the signs that they were somehow denied access to the basement, because any dog would go there to check on its owner. Also , right in the beginning a neighbor stated that she heard she shouting once…also the distance between the iPhone and the basement places her in two diferente situations, also one chair was torn down. The killer had to be wearing gloves, explains there is zero prints besides Amanda.
some dogs don' t go down stairs? the scream could be from her falling down to the basement.
@@BigLebowski2000 and the phone.. and the chair.. and the fact she didnt try to go up the stairs… she lost a lot of blood and she managed to stand.. it means she wasn’t able to go up. Also the fact the husband mentioned himself the Panties i find it weird.
Lee’s sister or she got a hire to…
Since we’ve moved From “always” to “consistently” generating an interesting dialogue, my favorite part is anticipating based on vocabulary whether I’m watching an old or new Dr. Grande video. It is consistently my favorite part.
I always enjoy that also 😉
It’s so bizarre but chances are she tripped over the dog. Lee heard their dog, Ruby, barking excitedly (which the neighbours also heard), Amanda yells, “Shut up, Ruby!” The dog yelps, and then the phone goes dead. She injured herself to severely that she couldn’t make it up the stairs and her wounds were gushing. It wouldn’t have taken long for her to pass out.
Most people want it to be the husband, but there’s just no evidence. Also, there’s no dna evidence of another person being down there in the basement with her at all and no dna evidence on the smashed piggy or her underwear.
That makes absolutely no sense in any universe
It's usually someone the victim knows, just because the husband was away does not mean he couldn't have arranged someone to go there and do this. Really more evidence is needed but it seems suspicious.
@@dwaynemcallister7231 he might be involved. Also the sister could have helped him. Very strange it happens during his absence.
Yeah...that's what I'm thinking. All we have to go on is his word regarding the dog and cats. he immediately lets the dog out...how do we know? He told us.... the animals could have been put up until he got back... er go no paw prints downstairs. He is "on the phone" with his wife just as the incident is happening...he texts follow ups..."he couldn't have done it!"...riiiiiight! She may not have came up the stairs because she may have been at gun point. They made you believe everything in the basement was all Amanda, so accident, right?... But one of the forensic ladies said she saw movement, like someone changing out shoes or something to that effect...but that is brushed off in the story. The situation seems "too clean" even for the accident theory.... me personally I take the neighbors info in high regard. Bottom line...My theory is disgruntled with him she may have taken a lover,( just hid it well) and the husband had her deleted. Only problem with my theory is he seemed to be a bit of a brokey, so how would he afford a professional?
@@daveleevicks8749they didn't find any other DNA in the basement besides Amanda's. They never mentioned any "change of shoes" in the UM episode, I don't know where you're getting that from. The blood-wiping mark on the floor was made by Amanda, trying to get back on her feet after falling
Would think someone with a migraine would simply let the dog out, then enjoy some peace and quiet. To trip over a chair, stumble toward the stairwell, turn right and fall headlong down the stairs is a bit of a stretch.
Being high might have contributed?
Being high doesn't make you a spaz unless laced with other crap.
the dog was acting out and probably accidentally pushed her down the stairs and also flipped the chair. pretty clear cut to me
@@ScapegoatAngelI think after tripping over chair she stumbled and then fell on the dog causing dog to “yelp” 🤔
@@jomoland that's a good theory, having had large dogs i can 100% see that happening
I still feel like the dog not checking on her is the weirdest thing out of this whole thing. Like was the dog upstairs with someone it knew ?? If I’m way wrong pls to forgive I am very high on edibles (gummies) 😊
That dry sense of humor of yours is just hilarious. Very refreshing 😂👌🏾
Regarding her not going back up the stairs- head trauma can make you do some seriously strange stuff.
I was the victim in a serious hit and run a couple years ago, and my car at the time was from a pre-airbag era, so my head slammed directly into the wheel.
I instantly blacked out and only regained consciousness midway through the ambulance ride, despite me evidently having been talking to the EMT the whole time.
It was only upon going to the scrapyard to see my crumpled up car, that I realized some of the strange things I had done. My unconscious fugue-state self for some reason had the "foresight" to put the (completely stalled and dead) car into neutral as to not stall it, climb over the center to get to the passenger door, since mine was folded in, even take my keys out of the ignition as to not waste gas and/or ensure I could get home, but then just leave them on the floor of the car and leave them behind. I was presumably standing or wandering around in the street before the ambulance came, a passerby must have called the police or something.
All of this is to say, her footprints at the bottom of the stairs before bleeding out are not even remotely suspicious to me, after head trauma like that, logic does not apply to your decision-making process, I can only imagine even moreso with the rapid blood loss she must have been suffering.
I’m surprised nobody is focusing on the fact that her pants were down around her knees. Unless they were very loose like untied sweatpants or something, this is unlikely a result of a fall down the stairs.
Falling will bring you pants down to the butt.
In the emergency call, she asked him to check to see if she wad still alive. He said "No, she's cold and yet there are no foot prints from when he checked Amanda.
Omg! I never thought about that!😮
They rule those out through forensics. Comparing the shoes he was wearing when he returned to any prints. Also, only barefoot prints that matched Amanda's were found.
The blood was dry at this point. It was almost 48 hours later that he found her
It's funny that I just watched this episode on Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix not more than 10 minutes ago. I get on RUclips and this pops up in my feed. It's August 2, 2024, 10:57 PM.
I just watched the latest Volume and is it wild😮😮😮. I'm not even an investigator and just wanting to know kills me already
That's what you call synchronicity.
that isn't synchronicity or coincidence. It's your phone / Google / Netflix sharing info about your activities and then "targeting" you with content or ads that are similar
@@heath2483they are always listening
@@heath2483 usually, yes. But not in this case. This person clearly watched a random Unsolved Mysteries episode, and it just so happens that Dr Grande made a video about it that same day. No algorithm could have predicted *exactly which* Unsolved Mysteries episode the original commenter would watch.
Based on the photos shown and the description of the injuries there is no way that a fall down the stairs could cause such bodily harm. Not only that, but the stair in the photo had carpet which would lessen any blow. The police botched this case. They need to be looking for a killer.
Obviously, the only thing investigators were missing in regard to solving this case was... you! Since you're such an expert in staircase-related homicide, why not give them a call and let them know what really happened?
@@Strype13the whole “fell down the stairs thing” doesn’t account for the kitchen chair on the ground and the phone across the room, screen cracked. That would be the most dramatic fall of all time, and she would’ve had to have covered so much surface area. And then she was able to stand up at the base of the staircase, but didn’t even attempt to climb the stairs never mind a SINGLE stair? None of it makes sense but the whole accident theory really doesn’t add up.
@@braedensbroadcastingchanne2942yes it would be dramatic, enough to kill her. She hit the piggy bank 100%. That’s what cut her head off her being high could have prolonged the bleeding. Seems pretty obvious the phone came out of her hand as she sailed into the wall face first. That stair case was criminal, they should have sued the house builder.
@@saypuppy4266 she didnt just drop the phone though, she must have flung it across the room. and the chair? she had the power to stand up but didnt even attempt to CRAWL up the stairs. Such a strange case.
@@braedensbroadcastingchanne2942 yes she was on the phone when she fell, and it fell out of her hand, and momentum would make it, you know, skid across the floor.
There is like an eerie feel to this.
I was thinking this too.
Very eerie. All that blood that coveted the floor area the way it did, just feels strange.
Covered*
I agree, the fact that the dog doesn't go down the basement is creepy even tho her owner was gone. Her having bruises while not having any blunt force trauma but blood everywhere blood splatter on the walls is something out of a paranormal movie. Or the more realistic theory of the husband's sister busted through the backdoor chased her then pushed her down that basement but it wouldn't explain all the blood except if the piggy bank was the murder weapon. Also in the beginning of the episode on Netflix the cop's dash cam number had 666 in it which is foreshadowy as fuck if this were a paranormal movie.
What made me think it was a murder was the ending.(mentions dangerous neighborhood and sister hating Amanda). How do neither of the dogs not go down to the basement, unless someone was keeping them from doing so.
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: A shiftless man kills his wife when she tells him he needs to get a job.
Shiftless?
Was there an insurance benefit for Lee (as the beneficiary) either valuable or recently opened? That always seems to be a circumstantial contributor.
I think Dr Grande would have mentioned?
It would have been mentioned. This case is almost 10 years old
My guess would be robbery gone wrong. She was going on that trip with her husband and wasn't supposed to be at home. Either somebody knew their plans or simply saw the car missing on the driveway. The intruder got into the house and was surprised by Amanda being there. I hope she will get justice someday.
It was 100 percent the husband, he did not kill her himself but he hired someone... There are many facts which point there
1. He was reported as erratic by the brothers of Amanda and the couple fought.
2. He did not contact any neighbour or her brothers for 2 days in which they had no contact and their call got abruptly disconnected.
3. He could have easily hired someone to kill her WITHOUT any contact on phone or mail, maybe he could have simply talked to them and hired them and hence left no evidence.
4. He tried to shift the focus of investigation twice, first by incriminating his sister and then mentioning the super weird fact about the panties.
5. He did not 'remember' that the back door was locked or unlocked...
Imo there are just too many inconsistencies with the husband. He defo hired someone to do it
But why and with what money ?
One of the things that the episode blew out of proportion was the supposed criminal activity in Amanda's neighbourhood. Calgary is a relatively safe city and even the "bad" areas aren't even that sketchy. Castleridge is an older suburb with ordinary homes and working class families. The neighbours made it sound a lot worse than it actually is, which added fuel to the intruder theory. I think Amanda's death was a tragic accident. Head wounds can bleed out surprisingly quick and disorient the healthiest of people. Those stairs had an awful design and were an accident waiting to happen.
The one thing that baffles me about this case is the so-called piggy-bank. Both in this video and in the episode on Netflix, it is always referred to as a piggy-bank or ceramic pig of some sort. But it is clear, to me at least, from the pictures that it is in fact a sheep, which they ALWAYS neglect to mention. I understand that the incident had left the ceramic animal without a face so that a positive identification could not be definitively determined, but I'm quite confident that facial reconstruction would determine that it is not a pig.
I think that's hilarious that THAT is what baffles you ! I'm sure you're right, but any animal would be called a piggybank , if it was for holding saved money ! :)
My husband occasionally allows his phone battery to die and his phone will suddenly cut off. I don’t get alarmed when disconnected and also don’t when in unfamiliar areas as phone service can be spotty. One friend had a different carrier than mine and it frequently disconnected. I wouldn’t be suspicious when a call disconnects and allow the person to call back even if it’s not immediately. I had a neighbor who fell down a staircase in a split level run and her husband found her unconscious and she was found to have a subdural hematoma. Another neighbor had a teenage son who joined in a pickup basketball game as a freshman in college and woke up in ICU. He had fallen and hit his head and was knocked out. He was the state champion in tennis. People do fall even with no physical impairment especially when you add animals to the mix. Some people can’t handle the sight of blood. Being impaired by substances can cause people to react differently.
So, the husband who is on this money related trip, is abruptly disconnected from his wife, who is alone in a house located in a tough neighborhood, which has sustained 3 burglary attempts in the past, and makes no attempt to call anyone to make a welfare check, but rather waits till the next day? Can't this be a proxy murder (infidelity, jealousy, revenge, insurance)?
Seems another animal is involved here, who would rather remain silent, fish - y?
This is the biggest fact that stands out to me. I find it HIGHLY unlikely you wouldn’t at least call a family member to try and get ahold of her. Every ignored text or call would make me panic by the second.
@@Shuckydarns84 That's YOU. Stop making assumptions for how OTHER PEOPLE behave in similar scenarios.
People in high-crime neighborhoods have a tendency to try not to contact the police, because the police acts more like a nuisance than a help.
@@vejetlol that’s not an assumption my friend 😂 that’s me stating my thoughts on the situation. It’s a comment section, I’m allowed.
She fell, bled all over and pulled her pants down several inches while wearing "underwear fancier than usual" before she died?😮💨 He probably had a fight with her where she ended up falling down the stairs and was alive. Then he let her stay doen there and kept the dog upstairs, he left town after that to see his mom and while away paid someone to call him from her phone and maybe inside the house. Maybe that's who people saw running away. But ultimately he was the one on the phone with her when it happened so he is the only one verifying when she died and that it wasn't when he was around....so he is his own alibi? And he also found her body ...so...he could've messed with or staged oe removed things or opened the door to the basement before calling police...
that's suspicious AF.
And if she had been dead that long, how could they determine her time of death to within a half hour window?
@@jkjives1786that’s what I’m wondering, is it possible she was killed Friday evening? Also, did they check cell phone pings on both phones? His moms house is 8 hour drive, but that can be flown relatively quickly.
The alibi checked out. So if he was responsible, he had someone else do it.
We don't know if there was a door that could be closed leading to the basement. Dunno why the dog, or the cats, didn't eventually go downstairs.
@@tanikokishimoto1604the thing is, you can have an alibi, but was there a window of when he could have gotten away? I lean more towards the crime happening a day earlier than they think but idk
Or the pants just didn't stay in perfect position while she tumbled to her death, perhaps?
What if maybe someone tried forced entry at the front door so she was jumped scared what would explain the phone, the chair down and also the barking of the dog, so she ran off fast down the stairs locked herself inside as a way to protect herself, while she accidentally trips off knocking her head and not getting back upstairs. This theory also explains the neighboors complaint of seeing someone. What dont make sense to me is the husband not calling anyone and sleeping soundly after not hearing anything from his wife for two days.
I can’t get over the fact that the blood had wipe marks, like someone maybe trying to hide their footprints/shoe prints.
There’s another Unsolved Mysteries episode where the perp didn’t leave any footprints in the blood (there was a lot of blood). So it is possible for there to be no footprints left by the assailant in a bloody murder scene.
I think Amanda made those marks as she struggled to get up while injured. Blood is viscous and quite slippery when fresh.
40h and the dog didn't go down ?!! , the key of this case is the dog 🐶
It’s likely we will never know what happened but I’m one to believe that it was a tragic accident. Migraines are not to be taken lightly and if this one kept Amanda from going on an important trip then it was a big one. I suffer from migraines and the worst one I ever had, I was in bed with my arms weaving in front of me because I was delirious and felt like I was swimming in the air. She might’ve stood up and when you do that with a migraine, it will pound HARD. She might’ve knocked the chair over, dropped her phone and tripped over Ruby, and fell down the stairs hitting the piggy bank and getting the bruises on her body. This is enough to have her dripping all over the floor and probably what the neighbors heard. Now if there was an intruder attacking her, she would’ve been fighting him off and screaming to the point where the neighbors would’ve heard the calamity and called the police. Instead, they heard her shout out once and it wasn’t alarming enough to call authorities. I think she might’ve fell, shouted out, and Ruby started barking. Now when she stood up at the bottom of the staircase, she might’ve looked up to tell Ruby to stay and not come down because if Ruby came down, she would’ve gotten into the blood and trekked it upstairs. Maybe in her state of migraine, bad fall, bit of cannabis, she wanted to clean up the blood and saw the laundry basket and was going to throw her bloody clothes and slippers in (take the slippers off first and then start on the pants) but she got dizzy again and passed out. Where she bled out. She might’ve woken up a couple times but was so weak that she wasn’t able to stand again. I believe Ruby would’ve gone down but she didn’t because she was told not to. I believe the husband would’ve read into her silence more if he wasn’t so busy with his family affairs of the trip. I hope they all find peace despite the unanswered questions.
First question that I ask myself is Why the husband didn’t call anyone or the police to ask for someone to check on his wife.
Just so curious about that.
His last call was on Saturday evening. And their call was interrupted involuntarily.
And then nothing until 44 hours later.
If my wife doesn’t answer my calls for a day I would definitely freak out. So will do her own family members.
If someone has info about that. It’s not even mentioned on Netflix documentary
I don’t think he hired somebody. She decided last minute she wouldn’t accompany him bc she had a migrane. There is no way that he found a hit man that fast
One thing i dont understand is there were no other footprints aside from hers left behind downstairs, they never said some were even from the husband's. They made it seem that everything, any movement was attributed to hers. But in the 911 call you can hear the husband say she's cold. So no other footprints/shoeprints in the crime scene? How can he know she's cold without going through yhe bloody mess and touching her
That scene doesn't look like an accident, although those stairs look seriously suspect, it's like they are just there waiting for something or someone to make a mistake into a violent fall..
After watching this episode on unsolved mysteries on Netflix and now watching Dr Todd Granges insite on this case.
I and my mother now have various reasons to believe Amanda’s husband is guilty of her murder or he is aware of who has committed her murder.
I have a problem with the husband's behavior.
Bad phone reception if she's talking in the basement. Calls drop all the time.
But never call 911 after days of her not answering after the last call got suddenly disconnected makes the situation very suspicious @jebby16
@@jebby16but her phone was found upstairs, not in the basement.
Yes he's a bit of a weirdo and a loser with no job prospects, but that doesn't make him a killer.
Amanda was the breadwinner, the one who supported the both of them and brought home the money and he will never ever(or at least it's extremely unlikely) find anyone like her an attractive and ambitious women, ever again. He's most likely living in abject poverty right now.
The police thoroughly vetted him and didn't find anything suspicious. Believe me, someone with his lower level of intellect would have easily been found out by now if he had any culpability in her death.
Also, it's funny how you have a problem with the husbands behavior but no issues with the neighbors behavior - they heard a distressed dog barking and a scream along with a man running away, but then proceeded to do nothing.
The absence of concern and/or curiosity is at times really puzzling. I don't know much about the reactions of pets but I find it curious that they never ventured into the basement after the incindent.
Yes it’s a difficult one. The odd timing with the husband and his comment about her underwear plus the lack of response to his attempts to make contact and no 911 call 🤔
I saw the episode and the fact that the husband called her on Saturday, the call was cut off after hearing the dog barking and then he kept calling the rest of night, the whole sunday and he didn't do anything else hat's very suspicious
I do believe her husband did it. He was 'gone' for two days, so we had time to drive back and forth. Of course he was not acting alone as someone had to be texting her from his phone to establish his alibi. I think he was the one talking to the other person from Amanda's phone when he returned to the house and then dropped the line and smashed the phone. I also believe he blocked the entrance to the basement, so the dog wouldn't go downstairs to disturb the scene so that the accident theory could hold. I have a lab and if he hadn't eaten for over 24 h and smelled blood, I believe he would go downstairs even if he was scared of the stairs. The husband's weird behaviour (worrying about her headache, but not that he's not heard from her for more than a day), the total lack of foreign DNA in the house, the fact that the dog didn't go downstairs etc. point me to that direction. He smashed her head on the piggy bank, pushed her down the stairs, and forced her to stay there until she bled out. Then he ran away, he could have been the man seen by the neighbours and the dog could have been barking due to the whole commotion (labs are super excitable).
The answer is obvious: it was the owl that Michael Peterson said caused Kathleen to have a bloody fall! 🙃
Great analysis as always, thank you Dr. Grande!❤
This reminds me of The Staircase and them saying a owl might have caused her to fall. If an intruder pushed her down the stairs and panicked that could explain the guy running away.
I can’t figure out what the neighbors meant by “heard a scary bark?” All dog barks sound the same to me??
I have a Great Dane & he has a “normal bark” but if a stranger comes to the door, his bark will be super deep and it sound scary.
Theres a definite difference between an "I see a car or a bird" bark, to a "someone is here" bark, to a "Im scared and defending my home" bark,,, but its something you only hear if you are used to dogs, or if its your own dog. the bark will definitely sounds scarier the more concerned the dog is. So to me the neighbors saying they herd a scary bark means they heard a dog who was scared or defending the property in some way. barking at a passer by or car normally wouldn't sound as scary, again though this can depend on if you know the dog, a big dog will naturally sound scarier than a small dog to someone who isn't used to their bark. id expect a neighbor to be able to tell the difference though if they'd heard the dog barking many times before
People here keep saying she fell down on accident. Some people even said they have family member that have fallen and sustained injuries that mimicked a criminal one. But i dont believe this why was her pants down showing her buttocks???? I truly think the husband hired someone. Plus think about it why if you hear the phone disconnect why you wouldnt call the police to do a welfare check on your wife if you couldnt reach her hmmmmmm. Because he knew the man he "hired" needed time to cover his own tracks......thats why husband hired someone.
The husband may not have called the police to do a welfare check if he knew she was smoking pot.
He could have called one of her brothers
every time a spouse “finds” the other one dead it raises a red flag i m o 👀🚩
Dr Grande, there are some green cactus shaped scratching posts for cats, just thought you might want to know if you have a pet kitty. I thought of you when I saw them. When I lived in the desert, there was a fabulous cactus and succulent nursery where one could buy all sorts of rare and strange plants. I loved going there. Going back to the video, I think it's so sad that the woman died all alone in that confused state.
Dr. Grande has two cute little dogs. I saw them when he made a Christmas video last year.
How could she be on the phone & got that many injuries? With that much blood? Seems beyond unlikely.
Does anyone curious why there are few coke cans there ?
I read a reddit that made it pretty clear that this was most likely a freak accident of tripping over the dog, falling and hitting her head and then falling down into the basement.
Dog: Mom is acting crazay and there blood. Im scare, not go down there!
Detective: SUS!