When I was a 11 I tried to “run away” from home. My mother was incredibly abusive, physically and emotionally. I stayed in the neighborhood but my mom called the cops on me, they cuffed me up and took me back home to my abusive parents. When I was dropped off they said “This is a great home, why would you run away? Your mom seems amazing. People would love to be in your shoes”. Then they proceeded to tell my mom right in front of me that if she wanted to punish me, by state law, all I needed was a slice of bread for each meal, one change of clothes, and a mattress in my room to be “properly cared for”. She ended up enforcing all of those restrictions and more. From my experience, the amount of empathy and compassion cops truly have is minimal.
@@AyshaLovesYou I'm so sorry that happened to you. Obviously your mother lied to the cops and manipulated them into thinking she was the victim and you were the spoiled, ungrateful child. They Obviously made those comments in an attempt to let you see you weren't being mistreated bc they believed your mother was doing the opposite, not realizing that the abusive things they suggested weren't actually far from what you were experiencing. Clearly they would not have said those things if your mother hadn't manipulated them into believing you came from s perfect home. I hope she's no longer in your life. I'm so, so sorry you were treated this way and not believed by these cops😞 Please forgive her for your own sake and peace of mind and find new friends and family to replace her that truly care
When Dr Grande doesn't diagnose but only speculates he has my full attention. I remember being prescribed tramadol and very quickly stopped taking it as it just made me so drowsy. I didn't want a pain relief that practically had me like a zombie.
Lucky it was only drowsiness I guess. Tramadol made me nauseous and gave me the most bizarre auditory hallucinations. Can't stand nausea, I'd rather be in pain honestly 😅
Yeah, I don't know if there is any criminal liability (dereliction of duty?), but the cop certainly has some moral culpability in the murders, regardless of how it actually played out. He arrived on a scene where a child was physically restrained by his parents and instead of taking everyone down to the station to figure it out, he just thinks, "This is fine," and leaves.
@@stupidbluebird Yeah, but it's still not legal to handcuff people without their consent, unless you are acting in immediate defense of yourself or others. Michael might have had an excuse before the police arrived, but not after - he obviously had other options at that point. So the police sees this act of unlawful detainment occurring in front of him, and thinks "Well, nothing to see here"
Dr Grande, I broke my mandible in February and broke 3 teeth that had to removed. I was prescribed 3 different types of opioids and was addicted in less than a month. I noticed I was hostile, anxious and mad at everyone trying to help me. I’m 2 months clean now and feel awake and alive. I started listening to you when I was first out of surgery and haven’t stopped. You are literally my favorite voice to listen to and calm down. Than you.
@karenscherrer that's your own crybaby fault for getting addicted, how would you have liked to have zero pain relief for anything whatsoever? Because that's the attitude general ppl are getting all because some losers think they're addicted in a few weeks 😂😂 try having a kidney stone and instead of morphine you get jack shit because it could be "addicting" who gives a shit make it legal so anyone can have pain relief and if someone wants to get high WHO CARES they allow alcohol don't they???? So what's the difference between alcohol and opiates? Jack shit except one is legal and pushed by the government and the other is illegal and pushed by the government through paid for sponsors and doctors, cut out the government and let clear decisions be made
It's confusing to me how it seems like such a stretch for this to be a murder/suicide. The dad journaled about this and it's a well known fact how dangerous of a time it is when a woman leaves an abusive relationship. Mike used the excuse to lure April there and confronted her and more than likely, was rejected by April and couldn't cope. It feels like mental gymnastics to find a way to include the son Jesse in this. Further, in reference to the son not having what law enforcement saw as an appropriate response to the deaths of his parents: his mom abandoned her minor son and his dad was a drug addict. To those who had a more "normal" upbringing, we couldn't fathom the loss and grief we would feel. But Jesse did not have a healthy, "normal" upbringing. So to apply our perspective to how he "should" react would certainly not be objective and free from bias.
Agreed. Everyone reacts differently to traumatic situations. What may have been perceived as uncaring or a lack of empathy by the police, could have been shock.
Your theory left out the part where his father was shot at the back of the head in an upwards motion. He was brought up in the same household as his other brothers but chose the path of drugs & just because his mother told him to ship out when he refused to shape up doesn't mean he didn't have a "normal upbringing". If she'd abandoned him like you said, then she wouldn't have shown up at that trailer for his sake & is now dead because of that. Setting boundaries by distancing is not abandonment. I think most adults know that people react to loss in different ways but, despise this fact, if you lost someone(s) that you truly loved & cared about, there is still a way that you do not respond. At least, these officers/detectives would've had some training for & even experience of such things.
@@roseaduke8835 I don't disagree, but my reference to abandonment was in consideration to how a 17 year old with a still developing brain could feel about the situation. I have a better understanding of this as an adult with a fully developed brain who can understand the nuance and complexity of such a scenario. A 17 year old may not. I imagine the toxic relationship his parents had with one another didn't create a healthy, nurturing home life for Jesse and did not provide an environment for him to develop healthy coping mechanisms. With that in mind, I can understand why Jesse didn't react in a way that a majority of people would assume, like not being incredibly distraught about both of his parents being murdered. I would be distraught, but I had a vastly different upbringing and life experiences than he had. So who am I to say how he should react. Regarding ballistics, it's not always definitive. It's helpful information to use in consideration with many other things. In my opinion, it does not seem far fetched to believe this was something either entirely perpetuated by just the two parents, or mostly the two parents then their son stepping in to defend. I don't have my mind made up one or another, but I felt it was a reasonable perspective to offer. It seems as though a lot of people have decided that the son was the sole perpetrator which leaves out the fact that the time a woman is leaving an abusive relationship is a drastically more dangerous period of time for her. It's also a bit unfair to use how someone responds to a traumatic situation and grief as a way to determine possible guilt or not. There are absolutely red flags but not being sad enough is far too subjective.
Try to put your hand behind the lower part of your skull, pretend there's a gun in your hand, and imagine pulling a trigger so the bullet goes upwards. 99.9% of people simply stick the gun in their mouth so they cant miss and pull the trigger. What ever went on here it was a lucky day for Madison. So far.
I’m an addict and use to be physically dependent on opiates.. I think it’s crazy the dad is addicted to all this pain medicine, but wanted to have his young son arrested for drug use instead of trying to get him help. Not trying to defend this kid either, but what do you expect? Kids act like their parents. Anyway, it’s too late and doesn’t matter now. I’m sorry for everyone involved in this situation.
Michael displays stunning levels of hypocrisy. And mum didn't seem to stand up for her son, either. This poor kid had to put up with a lot from being in his family and he must have felt so betrayed. He needed support and instead got some god-awful parenting.
All the drugs? He was taking freaking tramadol! Look it up. It is considered barely effective, barely a narcotic. A non-opiate drug! EDIT: I may have missed "illegal drug use". I will listen again.
I’m also in recovery and the recovery field, in an area where they still prefer the antiquated Minnesota model (which has proven less effective than more recent, scientific and acceptance-based approaches). I’ve seen treatment counselors recommended that parents call the police, so they are forced into treatment. It is usually only suggested when parents have tried everything else, unsuccessfully. However, I have seen parents flip out and call the police, first thing, thinking it’s the only way to get their child help and assert boundaries. Sometimes, they haven’t tried anything else, yet. For what it’s worth, I do agree with you! It’s the last thing I would want to do to my children. Tough love has been studied and consistently found ineffective.
@@erinh87 I’m not convinced he is the guy, only the fall guy.. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out a roommate has family ties to law enforcement of any point
I'm from Elmore County, and I was living there when this happened. If i didn't know (and trust) people more closely involved in this situation, I'd think Madison was guilty. In fact, I did think he was initially. Sheriff Franklin has done everything he can to try to make Madison look like an awful, drug-addicted brat of a son, but he, so far, has been unsuccessful.
How do you explain the father being shot in the back of the head and the son not hearing extremely loud gunshots? The son is guilty as hell but he'll get away with it
@@nealkelly9757 when they recreated the gunshot to see where it could be heard from the neighbor could hear it (the furthest he went) yet the night of the murders the neighbor also did not hear it. If the neighbor didn’t hear it why would Madison? And why would the recreation show otherwise unless there was an attempt to paint a deceptive picture. The sheriff of the small town where this happened also just so happened yo be the father of the officer who responded to and left the first call with Madison still in cuffs.
Also I was in the room with the lawyers when his lawyer picked up the same gun and held it to the same spot Michael shot himself. Proving it was very possible and everything sheriff franklin was something he pulled out of thin air. Michael was always insanely possessive of her and she feared him
What a sad ending to a life that started out so full of potential. Tramadol was introduced to me by a medical provider as a “non narcotic and not addictive medication that I could take daily” for my constant endometriosis pain. Turns out he was wrong. It’s very addictive in my case. Being adopted I didn’t know that I was genetically predisposed to addiction , nor did I know that my reaction to narcotics wasn’t normal. Most people when taking rx drugs as prescribed might feel sleepy, their pain becomes bearable and perhaps they feel nauseated, not me. I felt like a light bulb went on in my body. That should have been my warning. I’ve been clean for 15 years and I am so grateful. Tramadol was my gateway to stronger and stronger narcotics provided by a shady “doctor feel good” who had a patient (or client) list of including many stay at home moms in a very wealthy Seattle suburb. The doctor ultimately lost his license.
Congratulations on your sobriety. It’s especially scary that these types of drugs can be introduced to people legally and initiate such an extreme spiral out of control. It wasn’t your fault that it happened to you but it’s amazing that you worked your way out of it, that part was totally by choice.
It was interesting to me that you said, " I felt like a light bulb went on in my body. That should have been my warning. " I have taken Tramadol on and off for the past 10 years and I agree with you that for me it is more like taking "speed", from descriptions I've heard from reports of people who use "speed" and how they describe the effect they get from "speed". I have used alternatives, like Pregabalin for fibromyalgia under advice from my GP but overall they were not good for my health because of drowsiness, blurred vision, breathlessness, a bit unstable sometimes when walking and always feeling hungry. I also was prescribed Amitriptyline (Endep) but I only used very small doses, half-tablet of the lowest dosage but that still left me very drowsy and dopey for the whole of the next day.
Huh. Addicted to Tramodol? I believe more was going on, in your story. Tramadol is the very WEAKEST of any drugs for pain, besides OTC's. I am amazed you think you were addicted to this non-opiate medication. I does act on the mu receptors with a weak affinity. Not, an opiate, barely, just barely, a narcotic. I AM sorry you went through such difficulty relating to your experience. Chronic pain I no joke. I have it too. I am finding motrin and Tylenol more effective than hydrocodone, which took me 6 months of visits to obtain (I am on disability due to trauma to my foot, which became a serious walking issue 30 years later). I do understand.
You have no idea how much I relate to this comment. This is so true. Seriously, to anybody reading this, if you have a surgical procedure or are injured and prescribed opiates, if there's any way under the sun you can recover without taking them, please just don't take them. You don't know if your specific biology + psych combo will be susceptible to becoming addicted until you take the opiates. But by then it can be too late. Not worth the risk. Opiate addiction eventually ruins your entire life. It can happen to anyone. Be careful everybody.
I had a friend who had interstitial cystitis for many years, so bad sometimes she’d be up all night crying. Nothing helped-strong painkillers made her unable to function in her job as a teacher. Finally she went to a Chronic Pain Clinic that specialized in injured athletes and they taught her relaxation and self hypnosis techniques that did help. Also made some dietary changes.
@@Meenadevidasi the body and mind have amazing self healing abilities if you encourage them rather than damage yourself with ‘treatments’ designed to make the medical and pharmaceutical industries richer.
Absolutely! Been there done that..and sent the postcards. Most difficult battle in my whole life. It's a catch-22...either you hurt or you hurt. Just in different ways.
Just been discussing this case with my family over dinner. The most likely scenario in our collective opinion is: Boy in handcuffs, Policeman outside. Father tries to get mum to return to him but she makes it clear, they're finished. In his rage the father shoots his wife. The handcuffed son then runs in panic to the neighbour. Copper comes back in and finds the scene of the murdered woman and so the copper shoots the father. Realising he's just shot the guy in the back of the head, the copper realises he can't claim this was "self defence" so never admits he was the one that shot the father. The son then becomes the scape goat.
@@KenFullman 1) Most importantly, ballistics said it was Michael's gun, not a service weapon. 2) Why would the police officer just be lurking around outside the trailer this whole time for no apparent reason? 3) Also this was only like 5 years ago, most bodycams record for the officer's entire shift, and cars also track their position (you could see that he didn't drive off). 4) This still does not explain why Madison "didn't hear shots"
Except in the murdaugh trial. Remember that? I think it was Stephen smith- there’s been so many deaths tied to that snake I can’t keep em all straight- that the medical examiner straight picked a fight w the cop, basically saying she determined his MOD vehicular related bc he was found in the road. Wasn’t an option to her that he could’ve been killed first then left in the road.
@@KenFullmanI don’t think the son ever said that he’d seen his mom get shot by the dad. I think they were physically fighting and the son left to the neighbs. I don’t think the cop shot anyone. Not that night. Ballistics would tell specifically what gun was used & im not sure why the cop would even want to shoot him. He was a mayor previously and I think a firefighter, I’m sure he was friends with or at least knew most the PD, so unless he thought he was in imminent danger there’d be no reason- in which case he’d be justified
I’m seeing a lot of armchair detectives insisting that Madison must be guilty. The cops were called before the murder to “punish” Madison. 11 minutes after that cop left (with Madison still in cuffs that his dad put on him). They’d been shot and Madison was still in cuffs without a drop of blood on him when cops arrived. Anywhere. Michael’s hands and the gun were both covered in blood. So, what you’re insinuating is he got out of the cuffs from behind his back, killed them, cleaned up all evidence on him, staged the scene, put the cuffs back on and ran to the neighbors house to call the police all in 11 minutes?? Let’s not mention the extremely long suicide manifesto he wrote stating that he couldn’t see her with anyone else and mentioned “taking her with him”…. OH and the cop that responded to the first call and left with Madison still in cuffs just so happened to be the sheriffs son.
@@ocoolwow dude. I was in the room with half of my family, his lawyers and him when some pretty detailed stuff was discussed. You have no context here. I have a liiiitle bit of insight
@@LeahDelBae lol no you don't, you have whatever he and his lawyers told you. You are incredibly biased, and on top of that I have seen that he is some sort of family relation to you. So whatever you say in defense of him is purely because he is family. So no one believes, or should believe you and your arguments are all falling flat. No one commits suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head. You need to get a little perspective.
@@ocoolwow maybe you could do the same. Not counting this one, I’ve seen 3 datelines or 48 hrs where a death was determined sus because of the location &/or entry/exit point of the gunshot wound. All were eventually ruled suicides, & all involved a SO that was put through the wringer and falsely accused because “nO oNe cOmMiTs sUiCiDe LiKe tHaT !!”
I think the point was that her own injury made even less sense than Michael's to be self inflicted. It said she was shot in the head awkwardly through her hand. Not stated beyond that, but I assume she probably also had blood spattered across the front of her from the hand in a way that indicated it was outstretched, for example, and just clearly not self inflicted. Probably would explain nobody even considering that angle as a result.
She was shot through her hand, into her head. Think about how little sense that makes to be self inflicted. She raised her hands in self defense but her hands weren't enough to stop the bullet. Also, how did she know where her ex husbands gun was, and manage to get control of it without him knowing or being able to stop her? It's extremely common for killers to wipe down a weapon, and leave it after putting the dead victims prints on it If the ex husband shot himself in the back of the head, how did he wipe his prints off afterwards? This boy definitely did it.
It's truly disturbing just how far police and prosecutors will go to prove that their version of events is the right one. Once they get an idea of how a crime played out, not even the laws of physics can convince them that they might be wrong.
@@lvpatfleming7465Prosecutors are supposed to be held to the truth. Our system isn't fair otherwise. The state has resources no individual, not even the richest person in America could ever meet. They also have control over all the evidence. They control it first and get to decide if the defense can even have their experts touch it.
@@lvpatfleming7465 Because of the potential power differential. The prosecutor channels the investigation (so they could skew it) and is the first one to see the total evidence, so they must make the right decisions. The defense has a much more limited function.
It's possible that they did and Dr. Grande may not have mentioned it. If they did, they likely would have done so for all 3 people. More gunshot residue comes out of the barrel of the gun than from around the grip so the results are that the majority of victims of homicide and suicide have gunshot residue on them including on their hands. The results are just not as definitive as you would like them to be. That is likely why the ME refused to say it was homicide, although the location of the bullet wound in the Dad's head is extremely suspicious.
@@bthomson Being a small town, small department, there's a good chance they didn't have the testing materials needed to conduct the test, or more likely, they were conducted but contaminated, therefore, could not be used as evidence.
I accidentally took Tramadol (thought it said Tylenol) at my parents' house while housesitting. I woke up 16 hours later spread eagle on the floor and had no idea where I was for about 2 minutes
@@natalie654789 I honestly don't remember how it went down bc this was like 20 years ago. I just know I accidentally took Tramadol and I experienced another dimension
@@despicabledavidshort3806 that must be it. I also remember when Zyrtec became OTC after being only rx haha... happy to see I've now entered my twilight years🕸️
It seems clear that at least one of the parents was murdered (by the other parent). Hard to see how they can let the coroner decide that this was not a murder case.
It mighta been a situation where it was impossible for the coroner to tell who was the murderer. Could have been a mutual murder or a murder-suicide from either side because of how complicated and confusing the events were
@@StarxLolita Yes, but it seems to me it is not the coroner's job to determine who did it. All he has to do is to determine the cause of death, which in this case were the bullet shots. Maybe he should distinguish between murder and suicide, but these were not two suicides. Btw, I wrote that one of the parents did it, but I guess it could have been the boy. It is really strange that there is no solid evidence here.
@@ronald3836 Honestly there probably would be solid evidence of the cops wanted to do their job. Gunpowder residue and DNA is all they need. They might be using the coroner as an excuse but he had no blood on him and there was no DNA on the gun. It wasn't him.
It has to do with the angle of the bullet as it entered the body. It was possible for the father to shoot himself in that manner/position. No matter how unlikely, if it's physically possible, then they can't say it was homicide without a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt gets a not guilty verdict everytime.
@@tinawhite8835 but whether Madison is guilty is something for the jury to decide based on ALL the evidence, not for the coroner based on whether the angle was possible for the father. E.g. if Madison had been splattered with blood and had gun residue on him, then his version of what had happened would have been so clearly fabricated that I am sure he would have been convicted even if it had been physically possible for the father to shoot from that angle. It seems it was not the coroner, as I wrote, but a medical examiner (not sure if they are the same person). The way I understand it, the medical examiner was not prepared to testify that the father could not have fired that shot, and the prosecutor was not sufficiently confident that there would be a conviction without such testimony (and with the short timeline and without blood splatters on Madison, etc.). So I guess the medical examiner's doubt was just one element, and the decision to drop the case was made by the prosecutor. This makes sense. I think the timeline is very much in Madison's favour. How could he"plan" all this in such a short time and not make a fatal mistake that would have given him away? And if he had been that murderously cool, he would not have let his mother almost survive...
Tramadol is the most underwhelming drug. I can’t imagine how someone could get hooked on it. That’s like drinking nonalcoholic beer everyday trying to get drunk.
April had a head wound, but didn’t die of it immediately. It seems within the realm of possibility that Michael shot at her in a fit of anger, and then dropped the gun and retreated. At which point, April shot him in self defence, before passing out and then dying in hospital. I wonder if they analysed blood splatter and drips, to see if she moved around after being shot, and documented where the gun was found. Madison’s actions seem strange (going to the neighbour instead of just calling the police himself), but then … he was handcuffed and maybe his hands were behind his back - in which case, it would make sense. Some information we haven’t been given, so it’s harder to judge.
I was prescribed tramadol by my doctor who told me it was not addictive. Eventually I stopped taking it and had withdrawal symptoms. I knew then it was definitely addictive.
Minor point, but many medications have withdrawal symptoms without being addictive - anti-depressants, blood thinners, blood pressure, and so on. Your body adjusts to the presence of the medication by stopping or changing its normal functions, making it dangerous to stop without a proper weaning process. Withdrawal doesn't have to be the same thing as an ongoing craving.
@@rambling964 If you get withdrawal symptoms, you've got physical addiction. If it's changed normal bodily functions, stopping suddenly might result in death. That might or might not occur in conjunction with psychological addiction - ongoing cravings for a few hours, days, weeks, months...
@@rudra62 You're thinking of physical _dependence_. Blood thinners are not addictive, and cannot cause addiction, cannot even form a psychological dependence, but will form a physiological dependence. Cocaine is addictive, may cause psychological dependence, but will not cause physiological dependence. The existence of withdrawal symptoms is independent of how addictive a substance is.
I've had 12 orthopedic surgeries and have taken Tramadol. I do not understand how it makes anyone feel better or want to take more of it. For that, I am grateful. Not on addictive pain meds but I am on the couch.
Geeze. I remember my grandpa taking Tramadol during the final year of his life... He used to get confused when day and night was, sometimes adamantly insisting it was the morning when it was actually the middle of the night. And all of that started only after regularly taking Tramadol. Thanks Dr. Grande, for the weekend video!
Opiates are an imperfect solution to pain but often they are the only option. I wonder if there is an opiate-based painkiller that would have been a better option? Not all of them have these kinds of side effects although it could be that some people just have this reaction to opiates generally. I'm really sorry for your loss.
I took Tramadol for pain relief while in the hospital for cellulitis. I never felt high, and did not become addicted. It was actually a very effective pain killer.
I feel like I'm missing something. April's fingerprint was the only one found on the gun. Is it not possible that she shot Michael? Yes, she had a defensive gunshot through her hand, but she didn't die immediately. Is it not possible that she managed to get her hands on the gun and shot Michael before she lost consciousness?
@@LeahDelBae I know April was shot by someone. But she didn't immediately lose consciousness and her prints were on the trigger. I think she managed to get the gun and shoot Michael back before she fell unconscious. He had opiates in his system in his autopsy, his reflexes may have been slowed enough for her to surprise him and get the gun from him, even after she was shot.
This happened in the town over from mine. Most around here don’t think he did it or think he may have killed his dad after the dad killed the mom. But who knows.
I was prescribed tramadol 7 years ago and i never took it bc i didnt feel much of an effect. Weird to hear someone was addicted when i felt nothing and tossed it out
@@georgiannmartinez8547 I think tylenol and ibuprofen gave me more relief lol same with codeine. I was prescribed it for wisdom teeth removal and it didn't work at all. Only the ibuprofen helped
Maybe I missed something or there was evidence left out, but I don't understand why the possibility of April shooting Michael was ruled out. How do we know where the gun was before it was used? If she was being attacked and the gun was nearby or Michael was carrying it, I can easily imagine a scenario where she could get hold if it and use it in self defense.
The shot thru her hand is usually seen when a victim is shot. People reflexively attempt to shield their face and body from a weapon by throwing up their hands, so you will see injuries to hands and arms. If there are no defense injuries to victim, there is a greater probability that someone did not know an attack was coming, so it's likely the victim was surprised, and did not anticipate the attack.
@@evelynwaugh4053 Well yeah, but Madison could have shot her after she shot Micheal. ETA: I mean, if the possibility of Madison shooting Micheal after Micheal shot April is considered, I can't see why it can't be the other way round. Similarly, if Micheal shooting himself at that unlikely angle is considered, I don't see why you can't also consider yhat April might have shot herself through her hand. Personally I think it's the former, but idk. It's not so much that I think it's more likely April did it, I just think it's weird that all these other things were considered while April firing the first shot was totally ruled out.
@@aliahope-wilson4449 Then he would state this; he didn't (unless I totally missed that). Also, the evidence has to accord with his statements. For example, if he stated that he attempted to save his father's life, or his own, by wrestling the gun away from his mother, and that she was shot accidentally as they wrestled over the gun, then the gunshots to her would be consistent with this, i.e, correct trajectory and distance. There's a difference between shots that penetrate at close range vs. from a distance. His story has to match the evidence to be believed.
I was wondering the same thing. I could easily see her shooting Michael in self defence, then Madison comes in and takes the gun from her (perhaps as she’s in shock), then he shoots her twice. They didn’t mention gun shot residue on April- they may not have tested for it, for the same reason they didn’t think that she could have shot Michael.
I don’t know, the father may have done it. He had some serious problems. He chose drugs over his home and family. Pathetic. He was a real piece of work. He’s calling the police on his son when he has the same problems and contributed to his son’s problems. He’s the epitome of a hypocrite, but that was the least of it with him. The poor wife was completely innocent and really didn’t stand a chance against her son or her husband.
As a (recovering) heroin addict, it’s hard for me to wrap my mind around being addicted to tramadol because it causes little to no euphoria once you have the smallest amount of tolerance to opioids, but I also didn’t start using to treat physical pain. Maybe that’s the difference.
Being around addiction and those who are untreated children of addiction can really suck you into a soul-destroying alternate universe. It's difficult to escape. I really feel bad for April.
Another theory: Michael shot April through the hand into the head, dropped the gun in shock and turned around. April survived that shot, grabbed the gun and shot Michael from an angle below. Michael instantly died, April died later from the gunshot wound. Madison is innocent.
Sounds a lot more plausible than shooting someone after wrestling it away while in handcuffs! It sounds more plausible than uncuffing yourself even WITH the key, just at the wrong time, to be able to take the gun, shoot two people, and re-cuff yourself - all within 11 minutes.
@@rudra62 idk your's sounds as improbable as the free-oneself from cuffs version...and I'm a total layman-consumer so just talking outta my ass anyway ;)
I mean, she did abandon her son to that life. I get leaving Michael, even if I feel sorry for him (persistent pain from injuries is no joke, can't blame someone for becoming addicted to painkillers because of that), but simply telling her son off and not even trying to help him, and then him not really caring about her death tells me she might not have been a great mother. Overall, this is just a really complex story without any heroes, just victims.
@@TheBOG3 he abused her for years and wrote a suicide manifesto where he wrote about taking her with him. She was starting a life without him, he couldn’t take it, and he took his opportunity. It was murder suicide
@@LeahDelBae Unconscionable! And the son was put through all of that as well. Handcuffed! You sound awesome, at least they have caring people around them, the boys.✨
@@RawOlympia I know, and his senior year at that. Time helps but it doesn’t heal. Thank you for the positivity! It’s definitely not easy seeing so many opinions without people asking questions :/
I love tramadol I've been taking off and on since 2006 for lower back injury. I was told that it was the only pain medicine you couldn't get stuck on. Now 17 years later I take one in the morning an another during the day when needed for joint pain. Through out the years I have had doctors wanting me off and have tried but for me ibufferin, Alive would make me sick. Hydrocodone even with the purple specs mixed in was like popping jelly beans. So I got back on tramadol about six years ago and fight tooth n' nail to keep it now.
Tramadol is a synthetic codeine analog that acts as a weak opioid agonist in addition to mildly inhibiting serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake. Tramadol is effective against mild-to-moderate pain, but is not as effective as standard opioids and not recommended for severe pain.
Greetings sir, I am a native Arabic speaker and I would like to ask you if I could translate some of your five-factor model videos and some of personality disorders videos into Arabic. I believe these videos are so informative and beneficial and people may benefit from them.
Clearly, we don't need psychiatrists or psychologists. All we need to do is take, whoever we think is having inappropriate responses to life, to a local police station and within minutes the local cops will give us an accurate in-depth summary of the mental and emotional state of this person. They don't even charge for it!!😂😂
Tangentially relevant nitpick: trailer is considered a pejorative for a double wide as it is usually not moved again once it is parked. The preferred term is manufactured home. I grew up near Eclectic. When I was a kid in the 70s/80s it was a speck on the map like a Gentile Anatevka ("people pass through and don't know they've been here"), but the area largely gentrified in the 21st century due to the development of Lake Martin. There are now multimillion dollar waterfront mansions nearby, which makes the family moving to a manufactured home all the more a defeat in the mind of a one-time social climbing family.
Why was this Dad, a drug addict, punishing his son so harshly for pot use? Then calling his ex, who he knew loved her son? Trouble, drama and revenge- that’s what he had in mind. I think the Dad shot his wife, then the son shot his father in self-defense, knowing his father was losing it. It’s extremely rare for children to kill parents. Not th other way around, unfortunately. Tragic, no matter what happened.
Why wasn't that the son's story then? It sounds a lot better than running away and claiming you didn't even hear gunshots. I think the son shot both of them while they were having a nasty fight.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening when a teenager is arrested for murdering his parents faster than it takes a pizza to arrive.
isn't it obvious what happened? he shot them then handcuffed himself to provide an alibi. why would the dad call the police on his son for a party and then kill himself and his wife? makes no sense
He beat her for 17 years. She rarely spoke up to him. She was scared of him. He resigned because he was wacked out on drugs and then publicly said it was for to personal/family matters
Michael is the biggest hypocrite. He has a full addiction but is going to punish his teenage son for using marijuana? Perhaps the child's behavior is a DIRECT RESULT of his father's behavior, as a result of father's addiction? And lastly, the police LEFT with the child still in handcuffs? WTH? I'm pretty sure that is illegal. Or at the very least, needs CPS intervention. The police should have ended that restraint before leaving the home.
Hello, I have been watching Dr. Grande's videos and have been becoming nervous. I'm 25, have been struggling to make friends, am self isolating, and have been diagnosed with AVP. These things sound similar to some of these people in the stories. I don't want 4o be a person who does bad things. I get comfort thought from hearing these stories to better understand the world around me.
the irony of april being soOoOo against drugs because she was failed & subsequently abandoned by her addict parents, and her kicking out her teenage son for experimenting w drugs. heal your wounds or bleed on the ones you love.
@@LeahDelBae april was convinced drugs ruin people and are therefore responsible for her childhood hurt.. but it’s her parents emotional & physical neglect/abandonment that she was really hurt by. so it’s ironic that april banned her own child from her home for using drugs. (and sent him into the home of someone struggling with an active drug addiction no less . essentially her morals were to not be like her parents but she unconsciously repeated the same parenting behaviour pattern because she was so caught up blaming drugs for her parents actions. granted she had to protect her other kids, but as the child of addicts and the partner of an addict, her son was highly likely to engage in that behaviour and she should have been prepared to handle it appropriately with psychological support. so because she didn’t get help for her psychological wounds and attempt to heal them, she passed them on to her kids aka her wounds bled on the ones she loved.
That's not irony? What a dumb conclusion. She hated drugs for the harm they do to OTHERS including herself, and kicked out her son for doing drugs. In the end, she died because she was still too close to drug addicts and the harm it does to others including herself.
I don't get it. If a cop shows up someplace and someone is unwillingly hand cuffed isn't that grounds to arrest the parents for false imprisonment? Why would the cop see someone handcuffed and just be like "well, have a good day sir"
So, did he predict his Father to call his mother over, or perhaps he was informed by his Father - and he 'planned' to get rid of both of them? What about the scratch marks - from a 'scuffle' with wife or son? Quite 'surprised' that the teenager would have 'allowed' himself to be handcuffed - without resisting earlier.
Unbelievably sad, for April and her younger sons. I've deal with son on marijuana and and husband on alcohol. Its devastating tragic to a family. My son drew a knife on me, I compiled but went to a religious place and called the police. My family was there and supported me. Later the next week I moved out as planned. I stayed gone, divorced the narcissist spouse. Saving both my life and my son's.
Tramadol is a very lightweight opiate…but withdrawal can cause seizures as can high doses. Nothing wrong with a mobile home either! I have a beautiful one.
Hi Dr grande- can you analyze the case of Beau Mann? He was the founder of an app called Sober Grid. He disappeared under mysterious circumstances in November 2021 and his remains were recently discovered behind an abandoned building in Santa Monica.
So dad was under the influence of illegal drugs when he was trying to have his son arrested for illegal drugs? That's 80s Afterschool Special material.
There is absolutely no way that he is the killer, that's insane to suggest. No blood? No DNA? There is literally no way that could happen even if he was fast enough to remove the cuffs and find that gun and do this. He had drugs in his system and was already in a high-stress situation, that could easily explain his emotions. Bet anything when his parents got into the fight, the father pulled out the gun, shot the mother (the defensive bulletwound in her hand), and while she was mortally wounded she managed to get the gun from him and shoot him in the back of the head when he wasn't looking. Easy explanation. One that doesn't defy the laws of physics.
@@lisamac8503 Why harder to believe than anything else? Maybe he was freaking out he actually shot her. Maybe he turned his head to the sound of his son leaving the house or went to check if the son heard. Maybe he'd dropped the gun.
Curious case. I'm wondering about the forensics i.e. gun shot residue on the hands of victims/suspect & fingerprints on the weapon (even though the son had probably handled the weapon before the crime). Thanks Dr Grande
Another interesting case. As a professional with education equivalent to your own, I also would never diagnose. Your input as a counsellor is worth the read. Thank you. (As an aside, I am always surprised when Americans refer to mobile homes as 'trailers' which in Canada, are wheeled supports for transporting recreational vehicles. Double wide mobile homes here are valued at $250,000 or more and are desirable residences, typically well maintained reflective of middle class neighbourhoods)
From the photo, most in the US would refer to that as a manufactured home, not a trailer. A trailer is an RV or an older, single wide, like you would see in a `trailer park' which is usually a low income option or a destination 2nd home at a resort (a park model at a resort isn't designed for full time occupancy). Of course, there are `respectable' trailer parks, quiet and orderly, where retired people live, as well as the stereotypical run down parks only the desperate or poor would be found in. The US is warmer, so the building codes for manufactured homes/trailers can be lax in some states, leading to shoddy construction and poor longevity.
I live in Canada, and here in Ontario we still talk about single wide double wide trailers in trailer parks. And then there are RVs and mobile homes, tiny homes and now manufactured homes which were previously not allowed by building code.
Typically we don't refer to a double wide as a trailer. Sometimes manufactured home is said alot when explaining the house someone lives in in more technical terms, but typically it just passes as a regular home here. Anything that's being pulled behind a vehicle to haul items or heavy stuff is a trailer. And a single wide home here, where I live, is called a trailer as well. In general though a double wide is seen as a regular house here, not usually called a trailer.
I ran this by two Investigators I know. Questions asked: Where was the gun? Gunshot residue test results? Location of bodies? We don't know. They both believe Maddie's account. Reason: The murder of the former Mayor is a big deal in a small town. The investigators went at him hard. He was in jail for over a year and in all that time his story never changed. Stories always change with guilty people, especially minors. The fact that his story never changed is indicative of truth. He didn't change his story because he didn't need to, he was telling the truth. Dad is drugged up, becomes incensed when the wife won't come back home. He gets physical, and there's a good chance it was physical because he had the gun. The shot through the hand is a defensive wound, so mom was fighting to protect herself. He kills her, and in his shock, shoots himself is a funky way. It's been known to happen. Gun residue would have probably solved this, but it was either not conducted, or not conducted properly. Maddy is held in jail for a year, while the investigation progressed. Police have done their due diligence and toss it up to the DA. The DA knows they can't prove anything because there's no physical evidence tying Maddy to the murders. They have nothing on him. The medical examiner can't even give them anything. They drop the charges, everyone has done their job to the extent that they can. It's over. Dad shot mom, then shot himself. Maddy didn't do it. Dad's drug use and misconduct trumps Maddy's. Dad's motive, losing his wife, combined with his severe addiction and resulting depression is a much stronger motive than a troublesome kid who smokes marijuana and is going to get in trouble. It sounds like he was accustomed to being disciplined and it never really had an impact on him. I'm wondering if mom and dad were so involved with their problems that he was just left to his own devices, which could easily account for his perceived lack of emotion. We will never know.
It wasn't shock that induced him to shoot himself in the back of the head, it was a deliberate attempt to frame his son, as his final action. What a guy.
This seems most plausible story, not Dr Grande's analysis. The kid did not take off the cuffs, get the gun, make sure it was loaded, shoot the parents in cold blood in the middle of a heated argument while they were likely screaming at each other, and then put the cuffs back on and run over to the neighbors with a story, all in 11 minutes. That did not happen. When the wife did not respond the way the husband wanted to his demands, the husband shot her, and then shot himself in a rushed haphazard odd way (not in the mouth like most suicides). The kid ran out while the argument was happening in a frantic state because there was likely screaming and yelling going on (threatening the mother with death with a gun) and did not "hear" the gunshots when they happened. This is plausible. The brain plays tricks in traumatic moments. The timeline and the cuffs suggest the kid did not do the crime. As well as the story never changing after the fact with and without an attorney.
@@victorycall It often is. Dr. Geande can be very arrogant and disrespectful in a passive aggressive way. I don't like his unprofessional "jokes" during such gruesome stories- especially when involving children. Its disturbing and in poor taste. Makes him sound like he's the one who's the cold hearted psychopath.
Big point to make, the responding officer (T. Franklin) was a new deputy that is the sheriff’s son. He called his dad before 911. His dad shielded him from any scrutiny. They pressured him to confess when they had no evidence.
Interesting that tramadol can be addictive; I've had it prescribed for me for sleep and pain, and it does nothing at all for me. I save it for my dogs when I get prescribed it.
What kind of cop visits a home where a minor is handcuffed and just leaves with him still in that state?
The sheriffs son. Makes ya think
When I was a 11 I tried to “run away” from home. My mother was incredibly abusive, physically and emotionally. I stayed in the neighborhood but my mom called the cops on me, they cuffed me up and took me back home to my abusive parents. When I was dropped off they said “This is a great home, why would you run away? Your mom seems amazing. People would love to be in your shoes”. Then they proceeded to tell my mom right in front of me that if she wanted to punish me, by state law, all I needed was a slice of bread for each meal, one change of clothes, and a mattress in my room to be “properly cared for”. She ended up enforcing all of those restrictions and more. From my experience, the amount of empathy and compassion cops truly have is minimal.
@@AyshaLovesYou I’m so sorry that happened to you, but I’m glad you survived and hope you have a good life now.
maybe the cop thought they wanted to scare the teen with threat's of "jail"... cruel and unusual?
@@AyshaLovesYou I'm so sorry that happened to you. Obviously your mother lied to the cops and manipulated them into thinking she was the victim and you were the spoiled, ungrateful child. They Obviously made those comments in an attempt to let you see you weren't being mistreated bc they believed your mother was doing the opposite, not realizing that the abusive things they suggested weren't actually far from what you were experiencing. Clearly they would not have said those things if your mother hadn't manipulated them into believing you came from s perfect home. I hope she's no longer in your life. I'm so, so sorry you were treated this way and not believed by these cops😞 Please forgive her for your own sake and peace of mind and find new friends and family to replace her that truly care
When Dr Grande doesn't diagnose but only speculates he has my full attention. I remember being prescribed tramadol and very quickly stopped taking it as it just made me so drowsy. I didn't want a pain relief that practically had me like a zombie.
I have chronic pain.Tramadol did nothing,thank God,i am already addicted to xanax,cannot stand ywo addictions
I occasionally take tramadol and it never makes me drowsy. I wish it did.
I have no problem with taking tramadol. Thank goodness
Might as well smoke weed
Lucky it was only drowsiness I guess. Tramadol made me nauseous and gave me the most bizarre auditory hallucinations. Can't stand nausea, I'd rather be in pain honestly 😅
How could the cop leave a person in handcuffs?
Yeah, I don't know if there is any criminal liability (dereliction of duty?), but the cop certainly has some moral culpability in the murders, regardless of how it actually played out. He arrived on a scene where a child was physically restrained by his parents and instead of taking everyone down to the station to figure it out, he just thinks, "This is fine," and leaves.
Michael handcuffed his son, Madison, while they were waiting for the police. They were owned by the father.
@@stupidbluebird Yeah, but it's still not legal to handcuff people without their consent, unless you are acting in immediate defense of yourself or others. Michael might have had an excuse before the police arrived, but not after - he obviously had other options at that point. So the police sees this act of unlawful detainment occurring in front of him, and thinks "Well, nothing to see here"
@@stupidbluebird why would he handcuff the son then call the cops and his ex-wife. What was the plan
Exactly. That's what I thought.
Did Dr. Grande say "Alabamer"? 0:37 LOL Too cool!
If the recreation of the gun shot was so loud, did the neighbor hear the shots before Madison arrived looking for help?
Good point !
Excellent question!😊
I don't think they're actually as convinced as they seem to be either.
There’s so much more to this story.🤔
not confirmed but another commenter said the neighbor denied hearing gunshots
Dr Grande, I broke my mandible in February and broke 3 teeth that had to removed. I was prescribed 3 different types of opioids and was addicted in less than a month. I noticed I was hostile, anxious and mad at everyone trying to help me. I’m 2 months clean now and feel awake and alive. I started listening to you when I was first out of surgery and haven’t stopped. You are literally my favorite voice to listen to and calm down. Than you.
Try ASMR ❤
@karenscherrer that's your own crybaby fault for getting addicted, how would you have liked to have zero pain relief for anything whatsoever? Because that's the attitude general ppl are getting all because some losers think they're addicted in a few weeks 😂😂 try having a kidney stone and instead of morphine you get jack shit because it could be "addicting" who gives a shit make it legal so anyone can have pain relief and if someone wants to get high WHO CARES they allow alcohol don't they???? So what's the difference between alcohol and opiates? Jack shit except one is legal and pushed by the government and the other is illegal and pushed by the government through paid for sponsors and doctors, cut out the government and let clear decisions be made
Never thought I'd see Dr. Grande talking about my neighbor.
We pronounce our town's name, Eclectic, with a soft 'e' by the way. Thanks for the video.
It's confusing to me how it seems like such a stretch for this to be a murder/suicide. The dad journaled about this and it's a well known fact how dangerous of a time it is when a woman leaves an abusive relationship. Mike used the excuse to lure April there and confronted her and more than likely, was rejected by April and couldn't cope. It feels like mental gymnastics to find a way to include the son Jesse in this.
Further, in reference to the son not having what law enforcement saw as an appropriate response to the deaths of his parents: his mom abandoned her minor son and his dad was a drug addict. To those who had a more "normal" upbringing, we couldn't fathom the loss and grief we would feel. But Jesse did not have a healthy, "normal" upbringing. So to apply our perspective to how he "should" react would certainly not be objective and free from bias.
Agreed. Everyone reacts differently to traumatic situations. What may have been perceived as uncaring or a lack of empathy by the police, could have been shock.
Your theory left out the part where his father was shot at the back of the head in an upwards motion.
He was brought up in the same household as his other brothers but chose the path of drugs & just because his mother told him to ship out when he refused to shape up doesn't mean he didn't have a "normal upbringing". If she'd abandoned him like you said, then she wouldn't have shown up at that trailer for his sake & is now dead because of that. Setting boundaries by distancing is not abandonment.
I think most adults know that people react to loss in different ways but, despise this fact, if you lost someone(s) that you truly loved & cared about, there is still a way that you do not respond. At least, these officers/detectives would've had some training for & even experience of such things.
@@roseaduke8835 I don't disagree, but my reference to abandonment was in consideration to how a 17 year old with a still developing brain could feel about the situation. I have a better understanding of this as an adult with a fully developed brain who can understand the nuance and complexity of such a scenario. A 17 year old may not.
I imagine the toxic relationship his parents had with one another didn't create a healthy, nurturing home life for Jesse and did not provide an environment for him to develop healthy coping mechanisms.
With that in mind, I can understand why Jesse didn't react in a way that a majority of people would assume, like not being incredibly distraught about both of his parents being murdered. I would be distraught, but I had a vastly different upbringing and life experiences than he had. So who am I to say how he should react.
Regarding ballistics, it's not always definitive. It's helpful information to use in consideration with many other things. In my opinion, it does not seem far fetched to believe this was something either entirely perpetuated by just the two parents, or mostly the two parents then their son stepping in to defend.
I don't have my mind made up one or another, but I felt it was a reasonable perspective to offer. It seems as though a lot of people have decided that the son was the sole perpetrator which leaves out the fact that the time a woman is leaving an abusive relationship is a drastically more dangerous period of time for her. It's also a bit unfair to use how someone responds to a traumatic situation and grief as a way to determine possible guilt or not. There are absolutely red flags but not being sad enough is far too subjective.
Obviously he was a hard kid to deal with, but abandoning him with his drug addict father is really cruel. To me it seems both parents lacked empathy.
Try to put your hand behind the lower part of your skull, pretend there's a gun in your hand, and imagine pulling a trigger so the bullet goes upwards.
99.9% of people simply stick the gun in their mouth so they cant miss and pull the trigger.
What ever went on here it was a lucky day for Madison. So far.
I’m an addict and use to be physically dependent on opiates.. I think it’s crazy the dad is addicted to all this pain medicine, but wanted to have his young son arrested for drug use instead of trying to get him help. Not trying to defend this kid either, but what do you expect? Kids act like their parents. Anyway, it’s too late and doesn’t matter now. I’m sorry for everyone involved in this situation.
Michael displays stunning levels of hypocrisy. And mum didn't seem to stand up for her son, either. This poor kid had to put up with a lot from being in his family and he must have felt so betrayed. He needed support and instead got some god-awful parenting.
All the drugs? He was taking freaking tramadol! Look it up. It is considered barely effective, barely a narcotic. A non-opiate drug!
EDIT: I may have missed "illegal drug use". I will listen again.
So true
I’m also in recovery and the recovery field, in an area where they still prefer the antiquated Minnesota model (which has proven less effective than more recent, scientific and acceptance-based approaches). I’ve seen treatment counselors recommended that parents call the police, so they are forced into treatment. It is usually only suggested when parents have tried everything else, unsuccessfully. However, I have seen parents flip out and call the police, first thing, thinking it’s the only way to get their child help and assert boundaries. Sometimes, they haven’t tried anything else, yet. For what it’s worth, I do agree with you! It’s the last thing I would want to do to my children. Tough love has been studied and consistently found ineffective.
Right? And run into bankruptcy over tramadol. It has to be a ton of trama
So what about the gun residue or fingerprint or any blood trace?
By this logic I would ask the same about Bryan kohberger who also supposedly took less than 20 min for 4 people.
He asked to be tested for residue. They did not. However, there was no presence of blood on him and the gun was completely covered in it.
@@Pandagurl218less than 10, after taking a couple/few mins to park and get inside the house. That case is mind blowing.
@@erinh87 I’m not convinced he is the guy, only the fall guy.. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out a roommate has family ties to law enforcement of any point
I'm from Elmore County, and I was living there when this happened. If i didn't know (and trust) people more closely involved in this situation, I'd think Madison was guilty. In fact, I did think he was initially. Sheriff Franklin has done everything he can to try to make Madison look like an awful, drug-addicted brat of a son, but he, so far, has been unsuccessful.
On the money
How do you explain the father being shot in the back of the head and the son not hearing extremely loud gunshots? The son is guilty as hell but he'll get away with it
@@nealkelly9757 when they recreated the gunshot to see where it could be heard from the neighbor could hear it (the furthest he went) yet the night of the murders the neighbor also did not hear it. If the neighbor didn’t hear it why would Madison? And why would the recreation show otherwise unless there was an attempt to paint a deceptive picture. The sheriff of the small town where this happened also just so happened yo be the father of the officer who responded to and left the first call with Madison still in cuffs.
Also I was in the room with the lawyers when his lawyer picked up the same gun and held it to the same spot Michael shot himself. Proving it was very possible and everything sheriff franklin was something he pulled out of thin air. Michael was always insanely possessive of her and she feared him
Its interesting to hear this -there's always another side to the story.
What a sad ending to a life that started out so full of potential.
Tramadol was introduced to me by a medical provider as a “non narcotic and not addictive medication that I could take daily” for my constant endometriosis pain. Turns out he was wrong. It’s very addictive in my case. Being adopted I didn’t know that I was genetically predisposed to addiction , nor did I know that my reaction to narcotics wasn’t normal. Most people when taking rx drugs as prescribed might feel sleepy, their pain becomes bearable and perhaps they feel nauseated, not me. I felt like a light bulb went on in my body. That should have been my warning.
I’ve been clean for 15 years and I am so grateful. Tramadol was my gateway to stronger and stronger narcotics provided by a shady “doctor feel good” who had a patient (or client) list of including many stay at home moms in a very wealthy Seattle suburb. The doctor ultimately lost his license.
Congrats on your recovery.
Congratulations on your sobriety. It’s especially scary that these types of drugs can be introduced to people legally and initiate such an extreme spiral out of control. It wasn’t your fault that it happened to you but it’s amazing that you worked your way out of it, that part was totally by choice.
It was interesting to me that you said, " I felt like a light bulb went on in my body. That should have been my warning. "
I have taken Tramadol on and off for the past 10 years and I agree with you that for me it is more like taking "speed", from descriptions I've heard from reports of people who use "speed" and how they describe the effect they get from "speed".
I have used alternatives, like Pregabalin for fibromyalgia under advice from my GP but overall they were not good for my health because of drowsiness, blurred vision, breathlessness, a bit unstable sometimes when walking and always feeling hungry. I also was prescribed Amitriptyline (Endep) but I only used very small doses, half-tablet of the lowest dosage but that still left me very drowsy and dopey for the whole of the next day.
Huh. Addicted to Tramodol? I believe more was going on, in your story. Tramadol is the very WEAKEST of any drugs for pain, besides OTC's. I am amazed you think you were addicted to this non-opiate medication. I does act on the mu receptors with a weak affinity. Not, an opiate, barely, just barely, a narcotic. I AM sorry you went through such difficulty relating to your experience. Chronic pain I no joke. I have it too. I am finding motrin and Tylenol more effective than hydrocodone, which took me 6 months of visits to obtain (I am on disability due to trauma to my foot, which became a serious walking issue 30 years later). I do understand.
So many of us have the same story! I’m glad your doing well ❤
Chronic pain is no joke. But sometimes the "cure" can be worse than the problem.
You have no idea how much I relate to this comment. This is so true. Seriously, to anybody reading this, if you have a surgical procedure or are injured and prescribed opiates, if there's any way under the sun you can recover without taking them, please just don't take them. You don't know if your specific biology + psych combo will be susceptible to becoming addicted until you take the opiates. But by then it can be too late. Not worth the risk. Opiate addiction eventually ruins your entire life. It can happen to anyone. Be careful everybody.
I had a friend who had interstitial cystitis for many years, so bad sometimes she’d be up all night crying. Nothing helped-strong painkillers made her unable to function in her job as a teacher. Finally she went to a Chronic Pain Clinic that specialized in injured athletes and they taught her relaxation and self hypnosis techniques that did help. Also made some dietary changes.
@@nhmooytis7058 Thanks for sharing that. I find deep breathing, relaxation, mantra chanting, and even fasting can help turn a situation around.
@@Meenadevidasi the body and mind have amazing self healing abilities if you encourage them rather than damage yourself with ‘treatments’ designed to make the medical and pharmaceutical industries richer.
Absolutely! Been there done that..and sent the postcards. Most difficult battle in my whole life. It's a catch-22...either you hurt or you hurt. Just in different ways.
Madison's lucky the Medical Examiner was honest. In a lot of these cases it seems like the M.E. will write/say whatever the police want them to.
Just been discussing this case with my family over dinner. The most likely scenario in our collective opinion is:
Boy in handcuffs, Policeman outside. Father tries to get mum to return to him but she makes it clear, they're finished. In his rage the father shoots his wife. The handcuffed son then runs in panic to the neighbour. Copper comes back in and finds the scene of the murdered woman and so the copper shoots the father.
Realising he's just shot the guy in the back of the head, the copper realises he can't claim this was "self defence" so never admits he was the one that shot the father. The son then becomes the scape goat.
@@KenFullman 1) Most importantly, ballistics said it was Michael's gun, not a service weapon. 2) Why would the police officer just be lurking around outside the trailer this whole time for no apparent reason? 3) Also this was only like 5 years ago, most bodycams record for the officer's entire shift, and cars also track their position (you could see that he didn't drive off). 4) This still does not explain why Madison "didn't hear shots"
George Floyd.
Except in the murdaugh trial. Remember that? I think it was Stephen smith- there’s been so many deaths tied to that snake I can’t keep em all straight- that the medical examiner straight picked a fight w the cop, basically saying she determined his MOD vehicular related bc he was found in the road. Wasn’t an option to her that he could’ve been killed first then left in the road.
@@KenFullmanI don’t think the son ever said that he’d seen his mom get shot by the dad. I think they were physically fighting and the son left to the neighbs.
I don’t think the cop shot anyone. Not that night. Ballistics would tell specifically what gun was used & im not sure why the cop would even want to shoot him. He was a mayor previously and I think a firefighter, I’m sure he was friends with or at least knew most the PD, so unless he thought he was in imminent danger there’d be no reason- in which case he’d be justified
I’m seeing a lot of armchair detectives insisting that Madison must be guilty. The cops were called before the murder to “punish” Madison. 11 minutes after that cop left (with Madison still in cuffs that his dad put on him). They’d been shot and Madison was still in cuffs without a drop of blood on him when cops arrived. Anywhere. Michael’s hands and the gun were both covered in blood. So, what you’re insinuating is he got out of the cuffs from behind his back, killed them, cleaned up all evidence on him, staged the scene, put the cuffs back on and ran to the neighbors house to call the police all in 11 minutes?? Let’s not mention the extremely long suicide manifesto he wrote stating that he couldn’t see her with anyone else and mentioned “taking her with him”…. OH and the cop that responded to the first call and left with Madison still in cuffs just so happened to be the sheriffs son.
that's a lot of words to tell everyone you don't know what you are talking about.
@@ocoolwow dude. I was in the room with half of my family, his lawyers and him when some pretty detailed stuff was discussed. You have no context here. I have a liiiitle bit of insight
@@LeahDelBae lol no you don't, you have whatever he and his lawyers told you. You are incredibly biased, and on top of that I have seen that he is some sort of family relation to you. So whatever you say in defense of him is purely because he is family. So no one believes, or should believe you and your arguments are all falling flat. No one commits suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head. You need to get a little perspective.
@@ocoolwow no one? Okay
@@ocoolwow maybe you could do the same. Not counting this one, I’ve seen 3 datelines or 48 hrs where a death was determined sus because of the location &/or entry/exit point of the gunshot wound. All were eventually ruled suicides, & all involved a SO that was put through the wringer and falsely accused because “nO oNe cOmMiTs sUiCiDe LiKe tHaT !!”
Why is April not suspected in this case?
I was thinking the same thing - her DNA was on the gun... right?
I think the point was that her own injury made even less sense than Michael's to be self inflicted. It said she was shot in the head awkwardly through her hand. Not stated beyond that, but I assume she probably also had blood spattered across the front of her from the hand in a way that indicated it was outstretched, for example, and just clearly not self inflicted. Probably would explain nobody even considering that angle as a result.
She was shot through her hand, into her head.
Think about how little sense that makes to be self inflicted. She raised her hands in self defense but her hands weren't enough to stop the bullet.
Also, how did she know where her ex husbands gun was, and manage to get control of it without him knowing or being able to stop her?
It's extremely common for killers to wipe down a weapon, and leave it after putting the dead victims prints on it
If the ex husband shot himself in the back of the head, how did he wipe his prints off afterwards?
This boy definitely did it.
It's truly disturbing just how far police and prosecutors will go to prove that their version of events is the right one. Once they get an idea of how a crime played out, not even the laws of physics can convince them that they might be wrong.
It's called tunnel vision.
Kinda scary to think about
Why is a prosecutor criticized , for doing their best to win? Defense , it is expected.
@@lvpatfleming7465Prosecutors are supposed to be held to the truth.
Our system isn't fair otherwise.
The state has resources no individual, not even the richest person in America could ever meet. They also have control over all the evidence. They control it first and get to decide if the defense can even have their experts touch it.
@@lvpatfleming7465 Because of the potential power differential. The prosecutor channels the investigation (so they could skew it) and is the first one to see the total evidence, so they must make the right decisions. The defense has a much more limited function.
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Nice shirt, Todd. Keep up the good work. Your wit always wins the day for me.
Did they never do a gunshot residue test on Madison after the shooting?? I feel like that would prove or disprove the case pretty easily... 🤔🤨
The police so often just leave out one of the various tests that we all know to perform! Why is that?
Same thing I was thinking
@@bthomsonmaybe the police need to raise their standards.
It's possible that they did and Dr. Grande may not have mentioned it. If they did, they likely would have done so for all 3 people. More gunshot residue comes out of the barrel of the gun than from around the grip so the results are that the majority of victims of homicide and suicide have gunshot residue on them including on their hands. The results are just not as definitive as you would like them to be. That is likely why the ME refused to say it was homicide, although the location of the bullet wound in the Dad's head is extremely suspicious.
@@bthomson Being a small town, small department, there's a good chance they didn't have the testing materials needed to conduct the test, or more likely, they were conducted but contaminated, therefore, could not be used as evidence.
I accidentally took Tramadol (thought it said Tylenol) at my parents' house while housesitting. I woke up 16 hours later spread eagle on the floor and had no idea where I was for about 2 minutes
Tramadol isn’t over the counter though. Wouldn’t it have been in a prescription bottle?
@@natalie654789it used to be over the counter until 5-6 yrs ago
@@natalie654789 I honestly don't remember how it went down bc this was like 20 years ago. I just know I accidentally took Tramadol and I experienced another dimension
@@despicabledavidshort3806 that must be it. I also remember when Zyrtec became OTC after being only rx haha... happy to see I've now entered my twilight years🕸️
@@despicabledavidshort3806Been prescription in n.e. Al for yrs. For sure in the late 90s. Ultram became tramadol.
Strung out on tramadol? Geez, when i was partying, that wasn’t even worth my time. It’s a very very very low strength pain killer.
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It seems clear that at least one of the parents was murdered (by the other parent). Hard to see how they can let the coroner decide that this was not a murder case.
It mighta been a situation where it was impossible for the coroner to tell who was the murderer. Could have been a mutual murder or a murder-suicide from either side because of how complicated and confusing the events were
@@StarxLolita Yes, but it seems to me it is not the coroner's job to determine who did it. All he has to do is to determine the cause of death, which in this case were the bullet shots. Maybe he should distinguish between murder and suicide, but these were not two suicides.
Btw, I wrote that one of the parents did it, but I guess it could have been the boy. It is really strange that there is no solid evidence here.
@@ronald3836 Honestly there probably would be solid evidence of the cops wanted to do their job. Gunpowder residue and DNA is all they need. They might be using the coroner as an excuse but he had no blood on him and there was no DNA on the gun. It wasn't him.
It has to do with the angle of the bullet as it entered the body. It was possible for the father to shoot himself in that manner/position. No matter how unlikely, if it's physically possible, then they can't say it was homicide without a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt gets a not guilty verdict everytime.
@@tinawhite8835 but whether Madison is guilty is something for the jury to decide based on ALL the evidence, not for the coroner based on whether the angle was possible for the father. E.g. if Madison had been splattered with blood and had gun residue on him, then his version of what had happened would have been so clearly fabricated that I am sure he would have been convicted even if it had been physically possible for the father to shoot from that angle.
It seems it was not the coroner, as I wrote, but a medical examiner (not sure if they are the same person).
The way I understand it, the medical examiner was not prepared to testify that the father could not have fired that shot, and the prosecutor was not sufficiently confident that there would be a conviction without such testimony (and with the short timeline and without blood splatters on Madison, etc.). So I guess the medical examiner's doubt was just one element, and the decision to drop the case was made by the prosecutor. This makes sense.
I think the timeline is very much in Madison's favour. How could he"plan" all this in such a short time and not make a fatal mistake that would have given him away? And if he had been that murderously cool, he would not have let his mother almost survive...
Tramadol is the most underwhelming drug. I can’t imagine how someone could get hooked on it. That’s like drinking nonalcoholic beer everyday trying to get drunk.
Great analysis Dr.Grande…
Drugs everywhere this poor lady turned! Terrible what happens to her..
April had a head wound, but didn’t die of it immediately.
It seems within the realm of possibility that Michael shot at her in a fit of anger, and then dropped the gun and retreated. At which point, April shot him in self defence, before passing out and then dying in hospital.
I wonder if they analysed blood splatter and drips, to see if she moved around after being shot, and documented where the gun was found.
Madison’s actions seem strange (going to the neighbour instead of just calling the police himself), but then … he was handcuffed and maybe his hands were behind his back - in which case, it would make sense.
Some information we haven’t been given, so it’s harder to judge.
Rediculous theory! When you re shot in the head you re in so much pain and agony and shock you can t think straight! 100%. Nonsence...😮
I was prescribed tramadol by my doctor who told me it was not addictive. Eventually I stopped taking it and had withdrawal symptoms. I knew then it was definitely addictive.
Minor point, but many medications have withdrawal symptoms without being addictive - anti-depressants, blood thinners, blood pressure, and so on. Your body adjusts to the presence of the medication by stopping or changing its normal functions, making it dangerous to stop without a proper weaning process. Withdrawal doesn't have to be the same thing as an ongoing craving.
@@rambling964 If you get withdrawal symptoms, you've got physical addiction. If it's changed normal bodily functions, stopping suddenly might result in death. That might or might not occur in conjunction with psychological addiction - ongoing cravings for a few hours, days, weeks, months...
@@rudra62 You're thinking of physical _dependence_. Blood thinners are not addictive, and cannot cause addiction, cannot even form a psychological dependence, but will form a physiological dependence. Cocaine is addictive, may cause psychological dependence, but will not cause physiological dependence. The existence of withdrawal symptoms is independent of how addictive a substance is.
Tramadol Is one of the weakest opiates but it's still addictive! It's a narcotic for a reason.
Two videos in one day! Doc, you're the hardest-working man on RUclips! Thanks, as always!
never heard of this case.
thank you for bringing it to my attention.
watching and learning
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I've had 12 orthopedic surgeries and have taken Tramadol. I do not understand how it makes anyone feel better or want to take more of it. For that, I am grateful. Not on addictive pain meds but I am on the couch.
Geeze. I remember my grandpa taking Tramadol during the final year of his life... He used to get confused when day and night was, sometimes adamantly insisting it was the morning when it was actually the middle of the night. And all of that started only after regularly taking Tramadol. Thanks Dr. Grande, for the weekend video!
Opiates are an imperfect solution to pain but often they are the only option. I wonder if there is an opiate-based painkiller that would have been a better option? Not all of them have these kinds of side effects although it could be that some people just have this reaction to opiates generally.
I'm really sorry for your loss.
It is NOT an opiate. It used to be considered perfect for the elderly. It may have caused his confusion. I'm sorry.
@@wrmlm37you’re right in some sense- It’s an opioid- but it definitely is addictive.
I took Tramadol for pain relief while in the hospital for cellulitis. I never felt high, and did not become addicted. It was actually a very effective pain killer.
@wrmlm37 It is an opiate but it's considered a pro-drug. It's complicated. Pharmacists and doctors seem to differ on their opinion on it
Man. Some people just have bad luck lives. April certainly did. Thanks Dr. Grande.
Thanks, Doc! You always come through, and I always appreciate it!
I feel like I'm missing something. April's fingerprint was the only one found on the gun.
Is it not possible that she shot Michael?
Yes, she had a defensive gunshot through her hand, but she didn't die immediately.
Is it not possible that she managed to get her hands on the gun and shot Michael before she lost consciousness?
She was actually heard moaning for help and was blood on his hands (idk if this is public information but April is my aunt)
@@LeahDelBae I know April was shot by someone. But she didn't immediately lose consciousness and her prints were on the trigger. I think she managed to get the gun and shoot Michael back before she fell unconscious. He had opiates in his system in his autopsy, his reflexes may have been slowed enough for her to surprise him and get the gun from him, even after she was shot.
How awful for you, Leah. I hope things improve for your family.
What about the gun shot residue? Anyone have it on them? Did I miss that part?
Madison wanted them to test him for it but they didn’t. Same thing with a lie detector test
This happened in the town over from mine. Most around here don’t think he did it or think he may have killed his dad after the dad killed the mom. But who knows.
I was prescribed tramadol 7 years ago and i never took it bc i didnt feel much of an effect. Weird to hear someone was addicted when i felt nothing and tossed it out
Same here. I even took more than what was prescribed, along with drinking alcohol and I still didn't feel anything.
Same I did feel relief but very mild relief only similar to tylenol.
@@georgiannmartinez8547 I think tylenol and ibuprofen gave me more relief lol same with codeine. I was prescribed it for wisdom teeth removal and it didn't work at all. Only the ibuprofen helped
I used to have to take like 10 to get a buzz
I had the same response with Vicodin. Nothing. Ended up throwing it out.
Truly sad. The only one I feel sorry for is the mom
Maybe I missed something or there was evidence left out, but I don't understand why the possibility of April shooting Michael was ruled out. How do we know where the gun was before it was used? If she was being attacked and the gun was nearby or Michael was carrying it, I can easily imagine a scenario where she could get hold if it and use it in self defense.
The shot thru her hand is usually seen when a victim is shot. People reflexively attempt to shield their face and body from a weapon by throwing up their hands, so you will see injuries to hands and arms. If there are no defense injuries to victim, there is a greater probability that someone did not know an attack was coming, so it's likely the victim was surprised, and did not anticipate the attack.
@@evelynwaugh4053 Well yeah, but Madison could have shot her after she shot Micheal. ETA: I mean, if the possibility of Madison shooting Micheal after Micheal shot April is considered, I can't see why it can't be the other way round. Similarly, if Micheal shooting himself at that unlikely angle is considered, I don't see why you can't also consider yhat April might have shot herself through her hand. Personally I think it's the former, but idk. It's not so much that I think it's more likely April did it, I just think it's weird that all these other things were considered while April firing the first shot was totally ruled out.
@@aliahope-wilson4449 Then he would state this; he didn't (unless I totally missed that). Also, the evidence has to accord with his statements. For example, if he stated that he attempted to save his father's life, or his own, by wrestling the gun away from his mother, and that she was shot accidentally as they wrestled over the gun, then the gunshots to her would be consistent with this, i.e, correct trajectory and distance. There's a difference between shots that penetrate at close range vs. from a distance. His story has to match the evidence to be believed.
I was wondering the same thing. I could easily see her shooting Michael in self defence, then Madison comes in and takes the gun from her (perhaps as she’s in shock), then he shoots her twice. They didn’t mention gun shot residue on April- they may not have tested for it, for the same reason they didn’t think that she could have shot Michael.
It’s quite possible to shoot someone while wearing handcuffs. Madison needn’t have taken them off to commit the crime.
I don’t know, the father may have done it. He had some serious problems. He chose drugs over his home and family. Pathetic. He was a real piece of work. He’s calling the police on his son when he has the same problems and contributed to his son’s problems. He’s the epitome of a hypocrite, but that was the least of it with him. The poor wife was completely innocent and really didn’t stand a chance against her son or her husband.
As a (recovering) heroin addict, it’s hard for me to wrap my mind around being addicted to tramadol because it causes little to no euphoria once you have the smallest amount of tolerance to opioids, but I also didn’t start using to treat physical pain. Maybe that’s the difference.
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Happy Father’s Day, Dr Grande!
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we've really had the pleasure of seeing the channel grow!
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The end was very well said. Great analysis sir. Once again.
Why wasn't April considered a suspect? Her fingerprints were on the trigger?
What did i miss here?
I posted the same thing
I believe it’s because she was shot in the hand and head simultaneously , which seems like she was shielding her face from whoever shot her.
Being around addiction and those who are untreated children of addiction can really suck you into a soul-destroying alternate universe. It's difficult to escape. I really feel bad for April.
Another theory: Michael shot April through the hand into the head, dropped the gun in shock and turned around. April survived that shot, grabbed the gun and shot Michael from an angle below. Michael instantly died, April died later from the gunshot wound. Madison is innocent.
I agree.
Sounds a lot more plausible than shooting someone after wrestling it away while in handcuffs!
It sounds more plausible than uncuffing yourself even WITH the key, just at the wrong time, to be able to take the gun, shoot two people, and re-cuff yourself - all within 11 minutes.
Not very plausible. A mortally wounded person normaly wouldn't be able to take aim
@@juliuscee4633 True. Once we've ruled out the impossible, we're left with the unlikely.
@@rudra62 idk your's sounds as improbable as the free-oneself from cuffs version...and I'm a total layman-consumer so just talking outta my ass anyway ;)
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You are so knowledgable and intelligent! I really enjoy your videos and analysis!
That’s a sad story. She tried to get out of that life 😢
I mean, she did abandon her son to that life. I get leaving Michael, even if I feel sorry for him (persistent pain from injuries is no joke, can't blame someone for becoming addicted to painkillers because of that), but simply telling her son off and not even trying to help him, and then him not really caring about her death tells me she might not have been a great mother. Overall, this is just a really complex story without any heroes, just victims.
Michael was goofy looking😅!
Thanks!
This is my cousin. He’s innocent, is now in the military and married with a child and is thriving. (I haven’t finished the video yet)
What do you think happened with his parents? Do you think they shot each other?
Only he knows
@@TheBOG3 he abused her for years and wrote a suicide manifesto where he wrote about taking her with him. She was starting a life without him, he couldn’t take it, and he took his opportunity. It was murder suicide
@@LeahDelBae Unconscionable! And the son was put through all of that as well. Handcuffed! You sound awesome, at least they have caring people around them, the boys.✨
@@RawOlympia I know, and his senior year at that. Time helps but it doesn’t heal. Thank you for the positivity! It’s definitely not easy seeing so many opinions without people asking questions :/
I love tramadol I've been taking off and on since 2006 for lower back injury. I was told that it was the only pain medicine you couldn't get stuck on.
Now 17 years later I take one in the morning an another during the day when needed for joint pain.
Through out the years I have had doctors wanting me off and have tried but for me ibufferin, Alive would make me sick. Hydrocodone even with the purple specs mixed in was like popping jelly beans. So I got back on tramadol about six years ago and fight tooth n' nail to keep it now.
Unfortunately for the world, but fortunately for Dr Grande, there is a seemingly unending supply of stories like these to use as material for videos
One man's death is another man's bread, we say in Dutch.
@@ronald3836 a very useful saying
So horribly sad for this poor woman such a beautiful person...😮
Tramadol is a synthetic codeine analog that acts as a weak opioid agonist in addition to mildly inhibiting serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake. Tramadol is effective against mild-to-moderate pain, but is not as effective as standard opioids and not recommended for severe pain.
Thankyou for all the research and bringing these cases to us. Any child exposed to parents taking drugs is just disgusting.
Greetings sir, I am a native Arabic speaker and I would like to ask you if I could translate some of your five-factor model videos and some of personality disorders videos into Arabic. I believe these videos are so informative and beneficial and people may benefit from them.
Do it! That’s really cool. Your English is obviously excellent, you could do it.
Just curious - how would Dr Grande know you’d translated it correctly?
@@jamba622 I guess I may hire a freelancer of Dr. Grande choice to check the translation.
I'd think Dr. Grande would be pleased that you wanted to do that.
Buy an English-Arabic dictionary...😮
Winter Sunday morning in Sydney- just perfect.Thank you Dr.Grande.
Clearly, we don't need psychiatrists or psychologists. All we need to do is take, whoever we think is having inappropriate responses to life, to a local police station and within minutes the local cops will give us an accurate in-depth summary of the mental and emotional state of this person. They don't even charge for it!!😂😂
Tangentially relevant nitpick: trailer is considered a pejorative for a double wide as it is usually not moved again once it is parked. The preferred term is manufactured home.
I grew up near Eclectic. When I was a kid in the 70s/80s it was a speck on the map like a Gentile Anatevka ("people pass through and don't know they've been here"), but the area largely gentrified in the 21st century due to the development of Lake Martin. There are now multimillion dollar waterfront mansions nearby, which makes the family moving to a manufactured home all the more a defeat in the mind of a one-time social climbing family.
We appreciate your effort and hard work. God bless you.
Why was this Dad, a drug addict, punishing his son so harshly for pot use? Then calling his ex, who he knew loved her son? Trouble, drama and revenge- that’s what he had in mind. I think the Dad shot his wife, then the son shot his father in self-defense, knowing his father was losing it. It’s extremely rare for children to kill parents. Not th other way around, unfortunately. Tragic, no matter what happened.
Why wasn't that the son's story then? It sounds a lot better than running away and claiming you didn't even hear gunshots. I think the son shot both of them while they were having a nasty fight.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening when a teenager is arrested for murdering his parents faster than it takes a pizza to arrive.
This is one of my favorite videos.
But how to eat the pizza with handcuffs on?
@@ronald3836 I don't know how, but I would like to see him try.
That reminds me. I have pizza in my fridge 🤤
isn't it obvious what happened? he shot them then handcuffed himself to provide an alibi. why would the dad call the police on his son for a party and then kill himself and his wife? makes no sense
I bet April was a pain in the ass too... "Resign as mayor or I throw you under the bus... then once you do, I'll just divorce you anyway".
He beat her for 17 years. She rarely spoke up to him. She was scared of him. He resigned because he was wacked out on drugs and then publicly said it was for to personal/family matters
Michael is the biggest hypocrite. He has a full addiction but is going to punish his teenage son for using marijuana?
Perhaps the child's behavior is a DIRECT RESULT of his father's behavior, as a result of father's addiction?
And lastly, the police LEFT with the child still in handcuffs? WTH? I'm pretty sure that is illegal. Or at the very least, needs CPS intervention. The police should have ended that restraint before leaving the home.
How about dad shot mom while wrestling with the gun, then mom shot dad. He was killed instantly and she was not.
yeah that's makes as much sense as anything.
Hello, I have been watching Dr. Grande's videos and have been becoming nervous. I'm 25, have been struggling to make friends, am self isolating, and have been diagnosed with AVP. These things sound similar to some of these people in the stories. I don't want 4o be a person who does bad things. I get comfort thought from hearing these stories to better understand the world around me.
the irony of april being soOoOo against drugs because she was failed & subsequently abandoned by her addict parents, and her kicking out her teenage son for experimenting w drugs. heal your wounds or bleed on the ones you love.
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april was convinced drugs ruin people and are therefore responsible for her childhood hurt.. but it’s her parents emotional & physical neglect/abandonment that she was really hurt by. so it’s ironic that april banned her own child from her home for using drugs. (and sent him into the home of someone struggling with an active drug addiction no less . essentially her morals were to not be like her parents but she unconsciously repeated the same parenting behaviour pattern because she was so caught up blaming drugs for her parents actions. granted she had to protect her other kids, but as the child of addicts and the partner of an addict, her son was highly likely to engage in that behaviour and she should have been prepared to handle it appropriately with psychological support. so because she didn’t get help for her psychological wounds and attempt to heal them, she passed them on to her kids aka her wounds bled on the ones she loved.
Yep!
@gthktty666 You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about...
That's not irony? What a dumb conclusion. She hated drugs for the harm they do to OTHERS including herself, and kicked out her son for doing drugs. In the end, she died because she was still too close to drug addicts and the harm it does to others including herself.
I don't get it. If a cop shows up someplace and someone is unwillingly hand cuffed isn't that grounds to arrest the parents for false imprisonment? Why would the cop see someone handcuffed and just be like "well, have a good day sir"
So, did he predict his Father to call his mother over, or perhaps he was informed by his Father - and he 'planned' to get rid of both of them? What about the scratch marks - from a 'scuffle' with wife or son? Quite 'surprised' that the teenager would have 'allowed' himself to be handcuffed - without resisting earlier.
How do you know he didn't resist
It's interesting the roll drugs play in this entire scenario on all the levels, her parents, her husband, her son...
Unbelievably sad, for April and her younger sons. I've deal with son on marijuana and and husband on alcohol. Its devastating tragic to a family. My son drew a knife on me, I compiled but went to a religious place and called the police. My family was there and supported me. Later the next week I moved out as planned. I stayed gone, divorced the narcissist spouse. Saving both my life and my son's.
Marijuana doesn't make people draw knives on their mothers. Your son had other issues besides marijuana
Wrong! I heard it causes agression...😮
@@RomanKOZAK-ef1upnot on anyone I know.
I was given tramadol while in hospital following open heart surgery (Ross procedure) and prescribed it when I was released
but can someone tell me why Dr. Grande just said “Alabamer”
Dr. Your Videos are Always So Very Informative and Interesting!! Thank You So Much as Always!!🌵🌾🌾🌵
Why are you so sure that April was innocent and didn’t shoot Michael? It’s not particularly likely but no scenario here is particularly likely.
Good evening Dr Grande, excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Have a great Sunday.
Tramadol is a very lightweight opiate…but withdrawal can cause seizures as can high doses. Nothing wrong with a mobile home either! I have a beautiful one.
Why is the medical examiner's report taken as fact when even he was unsure
Hi Dr grande- can you analyze the case of Beau Mann? He was the founder of an app called Sober Grid. He disappeared under mysterious circumstances in November 2021 and his remains were recently discovered behind an abandoned building in Santa Monica.
Oh I remember watching this on Dateline and thinking, “I’d love to see Dr. Grande make a video on this.”
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I have to disagree with Dr Grande on this one - Madison is innocent in my opinion.
Hi Dr. Grande, love your videos! Would you consider making a video about Shannon Spruill aka Daffney?
So dad was under the influence of illegal drugs when he was trying to have his son arrested for illegal drugs? That's 80s Afterschool Special material.
Hi Dr Grande! Can you analyze the case of Alexee Trevizo?
There is absolutely no way that he is the killer, that's insane to suggest. No blood? No DNA? There is literally no way that could happen even if he was fast enough to remove the cuffs and find that gun and do this. He had drugs in his system and was already in a high-stress situation, that could easily explain his emotions.
Bet anything when his parents got into the fight, the father pulled out the gun, shot the mother (the defensive bulletwound in her hand), and while she was mortally wounded she managed to get the gun from him and shoot him in the back of the head when he wasn't looking. Easy explanation. One that doesn't defy the laws of physics.
She was able to fight the gun from him with a shot to the head? Hard to believe but ok
@@lisamac8503 Why harder to believe than anything else? Maybe he was freaking out he actually shot her. Maybe he turned his head to the sound of his son leaving the house or went to check if the son heard. Maybe he'd dropped the gun.
Maybr Madison was so fed up with his parents that he felt relieved they were gone instead of feeling sad.
Curious case. I'm wondering about the forensics i.e. gun shot residue on the hands of victims/suspect & fingerprints on the weapon (even though the son had probably handled the weapon before the crime). Thanks Dr Grande
Why didn’t they check for GSR on the kids hands????
Another interesting case. As a professional with education equivalent to your own, I also would never diagnose. Your input as a counsellor is worth the read. Thank you. (As an aside, I am always surprised when Americans refer to mobile homes as 'trailers' which in Canada, are wheeled supports for transporting recreational vehicles. Double wide mobile homes here are valued at $250,000 or more and are desirable residences, typically well maintained reflective of middle class neighbourhoods)
Watched Trailer Park Boys a few times many years ago….
From the photo, most in the US would refer to that as a manufactured home, not a trailer. A trailer is an RV or an older, single wide, like you would see in a `trailer park' which is usually a low income option or a destination 2nd home at a resort (a park model at a resort isn't designed for full time occupancy). Of course, there are `respectable' trailer parks, quiet and orderly, where retired people live, as well as the stereotypical run down parks only the desperate or poor would be found in. The US is warmer, so the building codes for manufactured homes/trailers can be lax in some states, leading to shoddy construction and poor longevity.
I live in Canada, and here in Ontario we still talk about single wide double wide trailers in trailer parks. And then there are RVs and mobile homes, tiny homes and now manufactured homes which were previously not allowed by building code.
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Typically we don't refer to a double wide as a trailer. Sometimes manufactured home is said alot when explaining the house someone lives in in more technical terms, but typically it just passes as a regular home here. Anything that's being pulled behind a vehicle to haul items or heavy stuff is a trailer. And a single wide home here, where I live, is called a trailer as well. In general though a double wide is seen as a regular house here, not usually called a trailer.
Wow this is truly a puzzle. I would not trust this kid walking behind me.
How do we know April didn't shoot Michael?
Dr. Grande I think your absolutely right!
I ran this by two Investigators I know.
Questions asked: Where was the gun? Gunshot residue test results? Location of bodies? We don't know.
They both believe Maddie's account. Reason: The murder of the former Mayor is a big deal in a small town. The investigators went at him hard. He was in jail for over a year and in all that time his story never changed. Stories always change with guilty people, especially minors. The fact that his story never changed is indicative of truth. He didn't change his story because he didn't need to, he was telling the truth.
Dad is drugged up, becomes incensed when the wife won't come back home. He gets physical, and there's a good chance it was physical because he had the gun. The shot through the hand is a defensive wound, so mom was fighting to protect herself. He kills her, and in his shock, shoots himself is a funky way. It's been known to happen. Gun residue would have probably solved this, but it was either not conducted, or not conducted properly.
Maddy is held in jail for a year, while the investigation progressed. Police have done their due diligence and toss it up to the DA. The DA knows they can't prove anything because there's no physical evidence tying Maddy to the murders. They have nothing on him. The medical examiner can't even give them anything.
They drop the charges, everyone has done their job to the extent that they can. It's over.
Dad shot mom, then shot himself.
Maddy didn't do it. Dad's drug use and misconduct trumps Maddy's. Dad's motive, losing his wife, combined with his severe addiction and resulting depression is a much stronger motive than a troublesome kid who smokes marijuana and is going to get in trouble. It sounds like he was accustomed to being disciplined and it never really had an impact on him. I'm wondering if mom and dad were so involved with their problems that he was just left to his own devices, which could easily account for his perceived lack of emotion.
We will never know.
This!!!! ❤❤❤
It wasn't shock that induced him to shoot himself in the back of the head, it was a deliberate attempt to frame his son, as his final action. What a guy.
This seems most plausible story, not Dr Grande's analysis. The kid did not take off the cuffs, get the gun, make sure it was loaded, shoot the parents in cold blood in the middle of a heated argument while they were likely screaming at each other, and then put the cuffs back on and run over to the neighbors with a story, all in 11 minutes. That did not happen. When the wife did not respond the way the husband wanted to his demands, the husband shot her, and then shot himself in a rushed haphazard odd way (not in the mouth like most suicides). The kid ran out while the argument was happening in a frantic state because there was likely screaming and yelling going on (threatening the mother with death with a gun) and did not "hear" the gunshots when they happened. This is plausible. The brain plays tricks in traumatic moments. The timeline and the cuffs suggest the kid did not do the crime. As well as the story never changing after the fact with and without an attorney.
@@MM-wi5dn I thought Dr. Grande's speculation was way off base this time.
@@victorycall It often is. Dr. Geande can be very arrogant and disrespectful in a passive aggressive way. I don't like his unprofessional "jokes" during such gruesome stories- especially when involving children. Its disturbing and in poor taste. Makes him sound like he's the one who's the cold hearted psychopath.
Big point to make, the responding officer (T. Franklin) was a new deputy that is the sheriff’s son. He called his dad before 911. His dad shielded him from any scrutiny. They pressured him to confess when they had no evidence.
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Interesting that tramadol can be addictive; I've had it prescribed for me for sleep and pain, and it does nothing at all for me. I save it for my dogs when I get prescribed it.
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