I don't think he was necessarily trying to commit burglary. He wanted to skip school and thought that the empty house would be a good place to hang out for the day.
@@hopemccubbin8661 Especially 14 year old boys, they're often adventurous. He was just out exploring, looking for a place to hide away from the world. I'm sure mental health was a factor too. I feel so bad for the kid
The thought of that boy in the chimney for nearly 4 weeks....the amount of decomposition that had already taken place...i cant imagine being the police officer that stuck their arm in the pipe and FELT HIM INSIDE...horrific. RIP little man 😢
Poor boy. And he was so close to home all that time. I think it’s a clear example of death by misadventure; didn’t realize the dangers of navigating a chimney and when you’re that young, you don’t really grasp your own mortality 😢
Modern chimneys will have a grill across the top to keep people from climbing in. It's highly recommended that people with older chimneys retrofit them to have a grill. I've heard of at least 1 other case than Dr Grande mentioned. Most people have never lived in a house with a fireplace and have no idea that chimneys narrow as they go down and that will kill someone.
How did he manage to remove pieces of clothing while he was lodged into such a tight space? Dr Grande theory makes no sense whatsoever, as usual he is being lazy and just trying to go along whatever version (no matter how absurd) the authorities put forward.
No matter what I’m doing, I always look up to see if you look suspiciously to the side when you say “only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this”
Poor boy suffered an agonizing death. I cannot imagine the panic that would set in realizing I was indefinitely stuck in a chimney with no way to call for help and no hope of a rescue. Great analysis and having compassion for ones mental illnesses should come naturally. It's hard to think some ppl wouldn't have compassion for this boy just because he was unlawfully entering this home. Thank you for another great video and all your hard work daily researching these cases and uploading new videos. You're the best RUclipsr out here, Dr. Grande.❤
@@ogedeh I'm conservative/libertarian and yet still have the compassion not to wish this on anybody. I feel horrible for the parents too. What's more, I know many people who would hold all of these same views as me. Hence, I don't agree with your generalization. At least we feel the same way about Dr. Grande though.
@@ogedeh Huh? What a highly inappropriate and strangely perplexing comment about a boy with mental illness. 😒 Tragedies like this happen to various types of families, and public opinion will similarly vary.
@@ogedeh That is an ignorant comment, lacking any fact. Just because you don't politically agree with people, doesn't mean they lack compassion. 🙄 that literally has got to be one of the most ignorant, dividing, comment I've heard in a while. Shows you just assume a specific group of people are blanketed under one stereotype and actually you just came across as someone that way.
I still don't see how he could be so compressed and suffocate yet there were holes to push clothing out, and also remove his clothing. He might not have wanted to rob anyone, just hide out or explore a vacant house. Odd case that just seems to leave an uncomfortable feeling.
In the late 18th and 19th century in Britain and other parts of Europe, small children were regularly employed by adult master sweeps (who were far too big to fit into chimneys) to climb up and down chimneys in order to brush and sweep out debris in clogged chimneys. Quite a few "climbing boys", some of them as young as 5 yrs old (and therefore very small and able to fit into some tight corners in these narrow and twisting chimneys) never made it out alive. They got stuck in a tight spot and as soot fell on them and they were lodged tight in a very small space, died of asphyxiation. There is just not enough airflow in such spaces when your body is taking up practically all the space as well as the restricted air circulation.
I doubt he was trying to rob anyone. As someone with ADHD and potentially autism as well, curiosity seems much more likely. I've never seen a house I'm not curious to see the inside of!
@@13donstalos I believe in some countries the term "breaking and entering" rather than burglary would be used in such a situation where nothing was taken but illegal entry was made into a property. This difference may be thr cause of confusion in this discussion.
I would have benefited from homeschool as a child for the same reasons. I am currently homeschooling my son who is also on the spectrum and he is confident, happy, and well educated!
Congratulations, Mama! Homeschooling has the advantage of letting the people who know a child best to stay right on top of the issues that child has, though I think for some parents it is terrifying to be the one not only being the caregiver but the teacher. Even as a homeschool graduate and one who teaches my own children, I have deep respect for those who have traveled the challenging road of teaching their children with unusual requirements! That is a whole new level of determination and hard work.
You are not responsible for your felony as an Autist ! This is a case for menthal health care ! Dr. Grande is not a lawyer he is not a psych !He had googeld something abaut this case and he wasnot always correct! I like him,but he is not perfekt! He is a very good entertainer but his analysing are sometimes superficial !
My husband went to the same high school, years before this happened. Still so strange to hear about something so awful happening. It's such a tiny town, you never hear news out of there. For this to be like the one national news story out of his town is just so sad.
When I was 13-15, I used to do stuff like this fairly often. As wrong and disrespectful as my behavior was, my motivations really weren’t malicious. It was sheer boredom and a drive to explore. We humans are natural explorers. When you take a bored teenager and put them in a place in which there are no mysteries or adventures, they sometimes seek out shady opportunities to find their adventure. I remember climbing around on rooftops, climbing through ventilation shafts, and even using a makeshift grappling-hook to explore places I had no business being. I can 100% imagine myself doing the same thing this kid did. It’s impossible to excuse the behavior… especially now that I’m nearly 55 years-old and have an immense respect for other people’s property… but I can definitely give insight into what might have been going on in his mind. I was never out to burglarize anything. It was all about the exploration and curiosity. Simple adventure-seeking. I’m sure he knew that no one was living in the house, and he just wanted to explore.
Mu older brother was always like that when we were younger too. He squished me through a widow of an abandoned house one day and I got a nail stuck in my foot. I didn't want to go in the house but I didn't want to not have him and his friends to get mad at me and send me back home. 😂so I did as he said. Teenage boys, especially can be mischievous. This poor boy died such a horribly agonizing and slow death, my heart goes out to his family.
There's an animal behavior book titled "Wildhood" that shows that almost all complex animals that go through an adolescent phase exhibit risk-taking behaviors that accelerate their learning process during that phase. So adventure seeking is only about boredom on the surface - on a deeper level it's a species survival mechanism. But anything in life backfires once it's taken too far.
@@craigfinnegan8534 Thank you for bringing this important subject up. From womb to tomb across the intergenerational human developmental life span, exposure to internal and external environmental toxins, Adverse Childhood Experiences, a lack of Maslow's deficiency and growth needs being met during critical growth periods, and adolescent apoptosis, shape neurobiology. Carlo C. Maley's review of Barbara Natterson-Horowitz's and Kathryn Bowers' Wildhood: The Epic Journey from Adolescence to Adulthood in Humans and Other Animals (2020) is available at the National Institutes of Health. In my personal and professional opinion, given the lack of mental health resources currently available, dealing with a combination of ASD, ADHD, and ODD risk factors would be extremely difficult for most parents of whatever socioeconomic status. Spokane Regional Health District's 1-2-3 Trauma-Sensitive Toolkit for Caregivers is an invaluable resource. Trauma-Informed Care of Oregon's guiding principles of trauma-informed care are a) safety; b) trustworthiness and transparency; c) peer support and mutual self-help; d) collaboration and mutuality; e) empowerment, voice, and choice; and f) cultural, historical, and gender issues. Good interpersonal relationships help individuals cope with life's challenges via the process of linking mutual communication, cooperation, collaboration, coordination, correction, commitment, and compromise, but that is difficult for spouses and parents in a fallen world to do without divine forgiveness at the best of times (Genesis 2:25-4:26; John 3:16-17). The only perfect parent is God Himself. RIP Harley.
@@almightysupremecourt Good diet, clean air and water, natural sunlight, adequate exercise, intellectual cognitive-emotional development through quality human interaction, and deep unbroken sleep are vital for physical and mental health and well-being. All of these things are even more important when the hemispheres of the brain, the corpus callosum, and/or the cranial nerves are not sufficiently developed and/or are damaged through congenital hydrocephalus, traumatic brain injury at birth, and/or blunt force trauma in complex skull base fractures that adversely affect speech. Twins, particularly identical twin boys (because girls have twice as many language skill connections between both sides of the brain), oftentimes develop "twin talk" that is difficult to for most adults to understand but which is understood by them.
Just an horrific way to die. About thirty years ago, if I recall correctly, a kid about Harley’s age fell through a rotting floor in an abandoned grain elevator on the north shore of Lake Erie. The place should have been demolished years earlier. Kids used to climb up there and smoke pot and fool around with girls, etc. This poor kid fell into an air shaft and got trapped similarly to Harley. He must have been alone at the time, because nobody found him until months later, and the M. E. determined that he died slowly of dehydration and exposure. He might have taken a week or more to die. God rest the poor kid’s soul.
How sad that the last thing his mom said to him was to get his a** to school. These types of fluke accidents are exactly why I always tell my son I love him when we part ways, even if we've had a disagreement or are upset. Thank you for your analysis Dr Grande. In this case, I disagree with your final analysis for three reasons. One, his friend saw him after school wearing the same clothes that were found with his body. This leads me to believe that two, he decided to "hide out" somewhere to get away from his parents, his father because he wouldn't buy him a new phone and his mother for not caring if he didn't feel well and responded the way she did. Three, they lived very close to this home, he probably saw that noone lived there and thought it was be a safe and easy place to hide out for a while. I do wonder why the police thought he went to the house before school if his friend saw him in the same clothes after school. Perhaps he skipped school and only went to the school for lunch and was seen leaving before getting in the chimney. Still so many questions.
Bravo! One of my kids had some of the same issues. It takes immense patience and a LOT of support. Missing one of those can lead to sad consequences. Our family was lucky, we had the means to obtain good therapy for all of us. (There was no health insurance coverage for autism back then. I'm so sad for Harley and his family, it could have been us. 😢
@@messrsandersonco5985 I recently went visit the town I grew up in. Going through the places I used to play and with all the old memories rushing in, I'm amazed by the fact I survived to adulthood. I should have broken my neck many times over.
Maybe the story of Santa entering homes through the chimney has caused a widespread belief that chimneys are a possible way to enter houses. They're not. Even if they are not being used for fires, they're built in a way that anyone would be stuck if they fell in from the roof.
Back in the 18th and 19th century in Europe, the general public would have known that chimneys are dangerous and that they are narrow and often have twists and turns designed to improve fireplace performance. They would have known this because they would have seen all the small, young boys employed by adult master sweeps. Only little children could fit easily in those chimneys. And on occasion, even these boys might find themselves stuck and sometimes, met their deaths by suffocation when they couldn't move and couldn't be extracted in time.
He was just a naughty child. We were all young. I didn't think he went to burgle. I think he went to that house before and just wanted to explore some more.
This is just tragic! I’m so sorry to hear it happened. My heartfelt condolences go out to everyone who loved this young man. I wish I could help Harley’s parents to know that there are many of us out here who do not and would never blame you for what befell your son. I’m praying that as time goes by you’ll be able to get some peace of mind. I’m so very sorry for your loss. RIP Harley.🙏🏼❤️🕊
I’ve helped families that have kiddos who have the same issues Harley had. It’s difficult to explain, and every diagnosis is different, and impacts families differently. I don’t feel the parents were to blame.
idk about that, I dont think its ok to let your kid know that is ok to dissapear for days... and if you know he has that habit, you need to give him a way to comunicate to them. He can pay it back later, so he can learn the responsability part. Yes families with TEA need to me flexible but that doesnt mean that they have free pass for neglect.
I really like your take on this Doc. I have a hard time when people have no clue what’s going on and create so much chaos by creating conspiracies. They make a simple, but awful situation 1000x worse than what the reality is. RIP Harley 🕊️
To me what's most disturbing is how people with conspiracy theories are so desperate for their theory to be true. They believe in it fetishistically because it triggers something in their psyche. They bear no relation to people who objectively considering alternative possibilities. It's like comparing a quietly spiritual person to a member of a religious cult.
@@icwhy4366None of the theories had any weight to them. As was said Harley likely didn’t know chimney design and thought it would’ve went all the way to the floor to exit
Poor Harley. What a terrible way to die. I feel bad for his parents too. They were used to him disappearing and reappearing and having to deal with his very odd behaviors and habits. It is hard enough dealing with a so-called normal child, so I'm sure it's triple hard dealing with a child with mental limitations who tends to act out over seemingly normal situations. They have my sympathies in losing their son in such a tragic way. Nobody should be heaping guilt on top of the guilt they probably already feel.
@grumpyoldlady_rants First off, calling law enforcement for a mental, behavioral, or nuerodivergent issue often leads to death. These young people when they are in a "mood", I called them fits with my son, are thinking from the lower brain, and cannot be reasoned with. A cop giving them an order that they are unable to comply with because all the emotional chemicals are overloading their brain, will either get screaming, or what looks like defiance. This leads the officer to either get angry or think he's in danger and shoot. I've seen it over and over in my community so never called the cops when my son was in that mental.place. Secondly, the parents probably didn't know what to do. Harley may have had a place he would go that seemed safe, and he probably came home when he was hungry. Only it didn't happen this time. Thirdly, one has NO IDEA what it is like raising children with these issues. It takes a parent to their breaking point. If the parents didn't have the support they needed, I could see how they behaved this way. Everyone is fighting a battle other's know nothing about. Be kind. This ended tragically for all involved.
@@grumpyoldlady_rants Parents who have been struggling for a long period of time with these repetitive behaviors. High school students runaway so often, that many police departments say just give it some time.
@@NYCHFAN - We aren’t talking about an adult. He was only 14 years old. I absolutely do know what’s it’s like to raise children who are difficult, for whatever reason. My oldest son gave my husband and I a lot of grief while in his teens. My youngest son had (has) pretty much the same disorders that Harley had with the exception of ODD ( but he certainly had his share of outbursts). When my oldest son got into legal trouble in his teens, we made sure his probation officer was made aware any time our son violated his probation. One thing we didn’t do was guilt trip him or say terrible things about him.
I think your coverage of this story could save lives since others have died in similar/the same way(s). I had no idea how chimneys worked and the myth of Santa Claus has obviously given children and adults the wrong idea about getting into a house that way. I’m so sorry he learned that lesson the hard way. So sad.
While what he was doing was technically a burglary, it seems fairly obvious to me he wasn't robbing the house. He wasn't committing a burglary in that sense.. He knew nobody lived there and probably didn't think it would be loaded with valuables. He was looking for a place to hang out so as not to be in school. IOW, he wanted to cut school in an abandoned house.
@@victoriajohnson4420 I agree. But it's not the crime of the century. Might not even qualify as a burglary because he wasn't planning on committing a felony.
@@tarstarkuszExactly, bad behaviour and technically illegal? Sure. Don’t know many teenagers or kids who haven’t done similarly “naughty” “technically” illegal things. I don’t think it makes him *especially* bad. He wasn’t trying to hurt anyone or steal property, just adventure.
@@theghostinthemirror8158 It probably wasn't even a burglary. The elements of burglary are : (1) A person entering; (2) A building, occupied structure, or separately secured portion thereof of another; and. (3) With the purpose to commit a crime therein. (taken from google) In the end, he paid with his life. We shouldn't spoil his memory by associating it with a crime like residential burglary. That is a very serious crime with long prison sentences attached to it.
I remember when this happened. It’s such a sad story. My youngest son had the same diagnoses except ODD. I wonder if Harley’s parents got help to learn how to help Harley? It doesn’t sound like it. They sound like they didn’t treat Harley very well. Kids on the spectrum, especially with comorbid dxs, need specialized care. Raising my youngest son wasn’t easy but, thankfully, we were able to get interventions for him and my husband and I. Today, he is in his 30s. He is independent, hard working and a decent person. He still struggles some but he is so much farther along than professionals predicted he would ever be.
Ohio doesn’t have Caylee’s Law. In the 10 or so states that do, the parents could been charged for not reporting their child missing within 24 hours. It was introduced following the Casey Anthony trial.
How can we know that his intent was burglary? I can easily imagine a repeat "runaway" 14 yr old entering an empty house with the intention of squatting for a bit. My 14 yr old self would never have attempted the athleticism of chimney entry, but an escape from my daily life in a house all to me would've been dreamy.
40 hours is a long time to not know or have seen or contacted your child. I understand going to friends houses or playing ect. But that's alot of unknown time. I couldn't.
Unfortunately when reviewing his own videos on YT, you can see that things in the household like relationship dynamics were strained. I think mom and dad were fed up with him. I always say to embrace and get all the resources you can for your child early on. It just really helps especially when support services can teach you, the parents, how to de-escalate situations as anger, outbursts, or risks of leaving. His mom did lock him out of the house sometimes. I just think they needed more support and mom nor dad knew what to do. 😢 it really was a case that started long before.
Glad you brought this up. ASD requires early intervention and given the boy’s age and the area, I doubt such services existed when he was little. These situations cause a lot of pain at home. We have to be cognizant that they exist, we must have compassion and respect. We have to empathize with the child and parents. It is not easy. The boy was no burglar. May he rest in peace.
@Watcher6868 we start services at age 3, preschool teacher here. I am surrounded by title 1 schools and head start/early intervention programs too. My last baby had a very traumatic incoming to the world, lost oxygen and the nicu doctor suggested a teacher program, and they come to my house, I only had to call to set up the first appointment. It's been amazing what they do and services they have offered us. My youngest is actually too far ahead I say. But I always say start young, it just builds upon each other. Yes I don't know if they were available or limited and from his videos it just made me think he was crying out for help.
Hi Dr Grande, good evening from Southern California. Excellent analysis. Thank you for supporting those of us with mental or brain disorders. As always I learn something new from your videos.
The challenge of parenting ASD children even those with mild traits and with parents with all the best intentions, knowledge and in a strong long lasting partnership should not be understated.
As someone who is changing their career from IT to becoming an LPC, I appreciate your videos and professional demeanor. I hope that when I graduate and get my Masters that I can approach my job with half of the professionalism and humor that you do. Thanks for your videos.
I didn’t realize how many people try this entry through the chimney method. If Dr. Grande is referring to the one in Los Angeles some teenager tried shimmining down the chimney of some girl he liked who was not interested in him. So he took it upon himself to trespass on her family’s home in an unusual manner. I don’t remember if the fire department had to dismantle the chimney but they did rescue him.
I think Harley wanted to hide out from his parents and not go to school that day. I didn't hear any evidence that he intended to steal anything inside the empty house.
It just sounds exactly like something a young boy would do. I don't have any mental health syptoms (that I'm aware of) but the young me definitely got into some tight situations - just out of having an adventurous spirit and curiosity. When I was a boy, my friends and I used to jump off high rooftops and and trees, daring eachother to see who could jump from the highest point. Broken limbs resulted, and laughs were had. I could definitely see myself trying to slide down a chimney like santa claus.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening when cacti slowly sneak up on a RUclips host like this.
I think it was fine for the parents to say that he needed to earn a new smartphone, but they should have given him a basic handset for calls and texts. And not worrying about not seeing a fourteen-year-old for FORTY hours is absurd.
40 hours is a very long time. By 9pm latest after the end of school, let alone that his mother didn’t respond to the missed calls from the school itself. So much time wasted
It can be talked about how “difficult” his condition was for them but none of their responses would have been justified if he DIDNT have autism! They were obviously horrible parents
Why is it assumed that his intent was to burglarize the house? In the absence of confirming evidence, it’s more likely he wanted to have his own space for a while to avoid school. My guess is that his previous “disappearances” occurred during warmer weather. Ohio Decembers are too cold to be outside for any extended period of time so he needed shelter. Individuals on the spectrum often want/need a quiet space when they’re feeling overstimulated or overwhelmed. This is a tragic case.
What an heart wrenching tragedy. I cannot imagine the fear and suffering Harley endured in his final moments. Conspiracy theories touting alternative methods of Harley’s demise and attacking the police is hateful. Lastly, I can barely listen to the end when a scenario or story includes being inside small spaces. I’m claustrophobic and this gives me a visceral reaction.
My son has similar issues. He makes, poor, dangerous at times decisions. He is 15 and doing better with danger but without supervision who knows what could happen. I am deeply saddened by this incident. 😢
Let him read all these stories so he can learn from the tragic experiences of others. If you aren't already familiar with it, look up the Nutty Putty Cave death. Also, a house that is undergoing renovation is a place of many potential dangers, just like construction sites.
His life had a lot of struggles due to his health issues. For sure we can’t judge his parents since we are not dealing with children like him. The whole thing was sad and tragic. RIP Harley 🥲
As a mother all I can think about is how scared he must have been to be stuck in that chimney, how much he missed his mom or wish you would have listen to her, and wishing that someone would come find him. So heartbreaking
This one ....often I consider the heartache with which parents of children with rare "needs" live daily - moment by moment their struggles can seldom be shared with even family member members....they were my students-for 21 years and the helplessness is a sadness few know. It's very cold in Port Clinton...could have been 25 - 40 degrees below zero with the roaring wind chill factor. God help us all be a kinder community member....💔🎈
Harley may not have been committing burglary. He didn't want to go to school, and he might have been looking for somewhere to stay. Maybe watch some TV inside that home. Since it was locked, he could only assume what he might find inside. It just seems reasonable to me, that he was looking for a place to "hang out", rather than burglarise.
Burglary is the act of illegally entering a building or other area, usually, but not always, with the intent to commit a felony. Technically, Harley committed burglary the second he entered their private property without their permission, regardless of his intent. Burglary is similar to trespassing.
@@victoriajohnson4420 I thought it was called "break and enter" when a lock is broken to enter private property. But I don't live in the US. I think there is a difference in the severity of the charge in Canada... depending on the intent. Like, the punishment for being a "squater" is less sever than being someone who entered for the purpose of theft.
Why the thought that he was stealing from the house? I have AuDhd and struggled horrificly in school. My parents would also lock me outside, even as a young child, I can relate to him a lot. When I skipped school to avoid rampant bullying, I would often go and spend the day in an abandoned factory close to home. Just because he was breaking in to an empty house doesn't mean he was stealing. From my own perspective he was looking for a safe place to spend the day alone, and went to great lengths not to be detected by avoiding a door and risking setting off an alarm or having to break anything. He just wanted some peace from the onslaught of fractured relationships and obligations he didn't sign up for.
@fashehc Breaking in to hide out from parents would still technically be considered burglary though. Although burglary most often involves a theft, the actual definition is "Entry into a building illegally with intent to commit a crime”. That crime doesn't always need to be stealing. Criminal trespass is a crime too (it's right there in the name). So even entering someone's home with the intent to hide out and watch TV and eat snacks could still technically fall under the definition of burglary (even though most would just be charged with trespass if this turned out to be the case) 😉. I think Dr. Grande was just using the term as it is actually defined and not necessarily assuming stealing was going to happen.
His parents seem cruel and negligent. I believe Harley was acting out because of his trauma, which would've been difficult to deal with for any person... but for him, as an autistic person, it must've been a nightmare to struggle through. What a tragic life. I feel for the kid.
Why do people assume he was robbing the place? He may have just been trying to find a place to skip school. Aside from that, I do think refusing to replace his phone was a mistake. They didn't have to load it up with apps or games or anything, but the ability to call or text for help might have saved his life.
@@dws84 Are you always so insensitive? And the chimney actually was big enough for him to fit....he made it all the way to the bottom, didn't he? He didn't get stuck midway. The problem is that there was no exit at the bottom.
His mother locked him out of the house . That's why he tried to climb down the chimney. His mother had threatened to call the police on him so instead of breaking in the house he tried going down the chimney. People that knew what was going on with the family where very angry with the mother and father. This wasn't the first time he had been locked out.
@@jaytee2642As was said though Chimneys narrow as they go on not to mention there’s that damper etc so it’s not a straight line. It’s why all chimneys should have those caps at the top to prevent anything from entering
@lorirogers9304 We all know that. I live not to far away from where this happened. This was his parents fault and everybody knew this. That's why they were protesting. It was against the parents.
This sounds terrible. Sad. Thanks so much for all the interesting video essays each day, Dr. Grande.❤ I look forward to your work and find it calms me down and is also always informative and interesting.❤
I understand the parents not calling police. Harley has vanished before so there was no reason to suspect he would not return this time. People in general have little to no common sense. The fact they jumped to a conclusion regarding the coat placement is a perfect example. This boy was out of control and impulsive. He likely figured he could hole up in the house awhile and go back home. Unfortunatly his impulsivness became his demise. It happens to people of all ages and blame can't be placed anywhere but at the adventurers feet.
@@jamese9283 Common sense refers to a type of judgement, not to the frequency of that judgement. So it having a low frequency in the population doesn't have any bearing on the fact that it is called common sense. It could be called simple, basic judgement instead of common sense.
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@traybern That is a great observation. Very true. Until I lived in a house with a fireplace. I had no idea it had a flue. So this mishap is very understandable. Its definately unfortunate.
I think the coroner was being kind to the parents because if he had enough wiggle room to pull clothes off he likely died of dehydration and was alive a week. Poor kid, and poor parents to then have people accuse them as if losing a child (at all let alone in such an awful way) wasn't horrific enough.
theyve been known to lie but not to spare feelings its usually to cover up someone with power or connecyions to someone with power...like the jfk guy...then of course you got them putting don thet deleted themselves when it was clearly a murder@@lisbethbird8268
@@lisbethbird8268 - Oh? Amy Sweasy, Hennpin County Prosecutor, in her 2023 Case Deposition: "I called Dr. Baker early that morning to tell him about the case, and to ask him if he would perform the autopsy on Mr. Floyd. He called me later in the day on that Tuesday, and he told me that there were no medical findings that showed any injury to the vital structures of Mr. Floyd's neck. There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation." She continues: "He said to me, 'Amy, what happens when the actual evidence doesn't match up with the public narrative that everyone's already decided on?', and then he said, 'This is the kind of case that ends careers'".
I wouldn't go overestimating the amount of air that was available to Harley in that tight space - which his body was occupying thereby even further reducing the amount of oxygen available. And all that physical exertion and panic, he would have been using up the available oxygen very quickly. Sad to say, but this is exactly how some young chimney sweep boys in the late 18th century and 19th century met their tragic ends. Boys - the smaller, thinner and younger the better - would climb up these chimneys to scrape out the soot and debris buildup. Sometimes, a boy would get stuck and unable to move forwards or backwards, and would suffocate to death. It was pretty quick - hours - as these were small spaces with limited air. If all other attempts to get the boy out failed, bricklayers would be called to break through the chimney bricks from the outside to try to get the boy out. But very often, the boy would already be unconscious or dead by the time the bricks were removed.
She is partly at fault, they should not have waited 40 hours to call police, regardless of if he's run off before. With his issues and his age they should have reported him missing long before then
@@maddyc2412even if! It took the police 3 weeks to finally find him. An earlier call would have saved a few hours. Not enough to keep the boy alive. This is heartbreaking.
@@Watcher6868 even if it wouldn't have saved him, it's still weird that they would wait that long, no normal parent would wait so long to report their child missing
This is one of those cases that is quite sad and bizarre as to what all happened. It’s very unfortunate he died. Thank you for the analysis Dr. Grande, I hope you’re having a great weekend. Keep up the great work and take care!
I don't think he was necessarily trying to commit burglary. He wanted to skip school and thought that the empty house would be a good place to hang out for the day.
💯% poor lad.
Yes. Exactly. And kids explore.
@@hopemccubbin8661 Especially 14 year old boys, they're often adventurous. He was just out exploring, looking for a place to hide away from the world. I'm sure mental health was a factor too. I feel so bad for the kid
Yes.
The thought of that boy in the chimney for nearly 4 weeks....the amount of decomposition that had already taken place...i cant imagine being the police officer that stuck their arm in the pipe and FELT HIM INSIDE...horrific. RIP little man 😢
Gahhh...
Horrible I have goose bumbs all over my body
some police carry cigars with them, which they light when they encounter a decomposing body. The cigar hides the smell.
He had not decomposed that much he was basically in a refrigerator that's why they initially couldn't smell any decomp
@@ForageGardener plus he was in a chimney so most foul fumes would waft upwards, it's what chimneys do.
Poor boy. And he was so close to home all that time. I think it’s a clear example of death by misadventure; didn’t realize the dangers of navigating a chimney and when you’re that young, you don’t really grasp your own mortality 😢
For sure! We all do stupid things when we are young, unless we have helicopter parents Somehow we escape tragedy, but not this young guy.
Modern chimneys will have a grill across the top to keep people from climbing in. It's highly recommended that people with older chimneys retrofit them to have a grill. I've heard of at least 1 other case than Dr Grande mentioned. Most people have never lived in a house with a fireplace and have no idea that chimneys narrow as they go down and that will kill someone.
@CheeriotopofthemorninI'm so sorry
How did he manage to remove pieces of clothing while he was lodged into such a tight space? Dr Grande theory makes no sense whatsoever, as usual he is being lazy and just trying to go along whatever version (no matter how absurd) the authorities put forward.
Could he have crab-walked up the chimney?
No matter what I’m doing, I always look up to see if you look suspiciously to the side when you say “only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this”
He did it this time. LoL.
Same 😂❤
OMG I never noticed! 😂
I’ve noticed that side glance.
Me too!!
Poor boy suffered an agonizing death. I cannot imagine the panic that would set in realizing I was indefinitely stuck in a chimney with no way to call for help and no hope of a rescue. Great analysis and having compassion for ones mental illnesses should come naturally. It's hard to think some ppl wouldn't have compassion for this boy just because he was unlawfully entering this home. Thank you for another great video and all your hard work daily researching these cases and uploading new videos. You're the best RUclipsr out here, Dr. Grande.❤
Leftist delusion, as usual.
@@ogedeh I'm conservative/libertarian and yet still have the compassion not to wish this on anybody. I feel horrible for the parents too. What's more, I know many people who would hold all of these same views as me. Hence, I don't agree with your generalization. At least we feel the same way about Dr. Grande though.
@@ogedeh Huh? What a highly inappropriate and strangely perplexing comment about a boy with mental illness. 😒 Tragedies like this happen to various types of families, and public opinion will similarly vary.
@@ogedehplease leave your politics out of this tragedy. A little boy died please have some respect for his parents and his memory.
@@ogedeh That is an ignorant comment, lacking any fact. Just because you don't politically agree with people, doesn't mean they lack compassion. 🙄 that literally has got to be one of the most ignorant, dividing, comment I've heard in a while. Shows you just assume a specific group of people are blanketed under one stereotype and actually you just came across as someone that way.
I still don't see how he could be so compressed and suffocate yet there were holes to push clothing out, and also remove his clothing. He might not have wanted to rob anyone, just hide out or explore a vacant house. Odd case that just seems to leave an uncomfortable feeling.
He probably took the clothes off before he got stuck, then after he was below the inlet, he threw the clothes out.
In the late 18th and 19th century in Britain and other parts of Europe, small children were regularly employed by adult master sweeps (who were far too big to fit into chimneys) to climb up and down chimneys in order to brush and sweep out debris in clogged chimneys.
Quite a few "climbing boys", some of them as young as 5 yrs old (and therefore very small and able to fit into some tight corners in these narrow and twisting chimneys) never made it out alive. They got stuck in a tight spot and as soot fell on them and they were lodged tight in a very small space, died of asphyxiation. There is just not enough airflow in such spaces when your body is taking up practically all the space as well as the restricted air circulation.
I doubt he was trying to rob anyone. As someone with ADHD and potentially autism as well, curiosity seems much more likely. I've never seen a house I'm not curious to see the inside of!
No, I doubt he was trying to rob anyone. But burglary is the crime of entering without permission. It is its own crime, no theft necessary.
@@13donstalos I believe in some countries the term "breaking and entering" rather than burglary would be used in such a situation where nothing was taken but illegal entry was made into a property. This difference may be thr cause of confusion in this discussion.
My son had an almost similar diagnosis. I chose to homeschool and he thrived in that environment. Today he is a maritime electrician and doing well.
I would have benefited from homeschool as a child for the same reasons. I am currently homeschooling my son who is also on the spectrum and he is confident, happy, and well educated!
Parents negligence and I think they are somehow responsible for this happening too!
Congratulations, Mama!
Homeschooling has the advantage of letting the people who know a child best to stay right on top of the issues that child has, though I think for some parents it is terrifying to be the one not only being the caregiver but the teacher. Even as a homeschool graduate and one who teaches my own children, I have deep respect for those who have traveled the challenging road of teaching their children with unusual requirements! That is a whole new level of determination and hard work.
I have my opinion! This child was neglected! You can say your opinion I have my own,which difference the opposite of yours!!
@@laurenturner3578but not to mother of the years award!
I don’t think he was a burglar. I think he was trying to hide so he didn’t have to go to school.
Yes,You are right. DR.Grande has not always right!
Yes,Dr. Grande was not right!
You're a burglar once you break into a home the reason doesn't change that fact
You are not responsible for your felony as an Autist ! This is a case for menthal health care ! Dr. Grande is not a lawyer he is not a psych !He had googeld something abaut this case and he wasnot always correct! I like him,but he is not perfekt! He is a very good entertainer but his analysing are sometimes superficial !
No,if you were a menthal illness,you are not responsible at the law! You get a menthal health care, but not prison time!
Must have been horrifying forHarley once he realized his circumstance. RIP Harley
I live in Ohio, and Harleys death was traumatizing. To think that a child could die that way is terrifying.
It wasn't traumatizing. It was darwinisim
My husband went to the same high school, years before this happened. Still so strange to hear about something so awful happening. It's such a tiny town, you never hear news out of there. For this to be like the one national news story out of his town is just so sad.
@@MrRumdumbis that comment really necessary 🫡 please never reproduce
No one ever thinks to check the chimney
When I was 13-15, I used to do stuff like this fairly often. As wrong and disrespectful as my behavior was, my motivations really weren’t malicious. It was sheer boredom and a drive to explore. We humans are natural explorers. When you take a bored teenager and put them in a place in which there are no mysteries or adventures, they sometimes seek out shady opportunities to find their adventure.
I remember climbing around on rooftops, climbing through ventilation shafts, and even using a makeshift grappling-hook to explore places I had no business being.
I can 100% imagine myself doing the same thing this kid did.
It’s impossible to excuse the behavior… especially now that I’m nearly 55 years-old and have an immense respect for other people’s property… but I can definitely give insight into what might have been going on in his mind. I was never out to burglarize anything. It was all about the exploration and curiosity. Simple adventure-seeking.
I’m sure he knew that no one was living in the house, and he just wanted to explore.
Mu older brother was always like that when we were younger too. He squished me through a widow of an abandoned house one day and I got a nail stuck in my foot. I didn't want to go in the house but I didn't want to not have him and his friends to get mad at me and send me back home. 😂so I did as he said. Teenage boys, especially can be mischievous. This poor boy died such a horribly agonizing and slow death, my heart goes out to his family.
Typical public School really holds kids back. 8 hours a day, mostly sitting. It’s BS
There's an animal behavior book titled "Wildhood" that shows that almost all complex animals that go through an adolescent phase exhibit risk-taking behaviors that accelerate their learning process during that phase. So adventure seeking is only about boredom on the surface - on a deeper level it's a species survival mechanism. But anything in life backfires once it's taken too far.
@@craigfinnegan8534 Thank you for bringing this important subject up. From womb to tomb across the intergenerational human developmental life span, exposure to internal and external environmental toxins, Adverse Childhood Experiences, a lack of Maslow's deficiency and growth needs being met during critical growth periods, and adolescent apoptosis, shape neurobiology. Carlo C. Maley's review of Barbara Natterson-Horowitz's and Kathryn Bowers' Wildhood: The Epic Journey from Adolescence to Adulthood in Humans and Other Animals (2020) is available at the National Institutes of Health. In my personal and professional opinion, given the lack of mental health resources currently available, dealing with a combination of ASD, ADHD, and ODD risk factors would be extremely difficult for most parents of whatever socioeconomic status. Spokane Regional Health District's 1-2-3 Trauma-Sensitive Toolkit for Caregivers is an invaluable resource. Trauma-Informed Care of Oregon's guiding principles of trauma-informed care are a) safety; b) trustworthiness and transparency; c) peer support and mutual self-help; d) collaboration and mutuality; e) empowerment, voice, and choice; and f) cultural, historical, and gender issues. Good interpersonal relationships help individuals cope with life's challenges via the process of linking mutual communication, cooperation, collaboration, coordination, correction, commitment, and compromise, but that is difficult for spouses and parents in a fallen world to do without divine forgiveness at the best of times (Genesis 2:25-4:26; John 3:16-17). The only perfect parent is God Himself. RIP Harley.
@@almightysupremecourt Good diet, clean air and water, natural sunlight, adequate exercise, intellectual cognitive-emotional development through quality human interaction, and deep unbroken sleep are vital for physical and mental health and well-being. All of these things are even more important when the hemispheres of the brain, the corpus callosum, and/or the cranial nerves are not sufficiently developed and/or are damaged through congenital hydrocephalus, traumatic brain injury at birth, and/or blunt force trauma in complex skull base fractures that adversely affect speech. Twins, particularly identical twin boys (because girls have twice as many language skill connections between both sides of the brain), oftentimes develop "twin talk" that is difficult to for most adults to understand but which is understood by them.
What an unfortunate situation for poor Harley! Narrated with compassion and sensitivity, Dr.G.
This absolutely breaks my heart, I can’t imagine the fear he felt in those last moments 😢
Just an horrific way to die. About thirty years ago, if I recall correctly, a kid about Harley’s age fell through a rotting floor in an abandoned grain elevator on the north shore of Lake Erie. The place should have been demolished years earlier. Kids used to climb up there and smoke pot and fool around with girls, etc. This poor kid fell into an air shaft and got trapped similarly to Harley. He must have been alone at the time, because nobody found him until months later, and the M. E. determined that he died slowly of dehydration and exposure. He might have taken a week or more to die. God rest the poor kid’s soul.
How sad that the last thing his mom said to him was to get his a** to school. These types of fluke accidents are exactly why I always tell my son I love him when we part ways, even if we've had a disagreement or are upset.
Thank you for your analysis Dr Grande. In this case, I disagree with your final analysis for three reasons. One, his friend saw him after school wearing the same clothes that were found with his body. This leads me to believe that two, he decided to "hide out" somewhere to get away from his parents, his father because he wouldn't buy him a new phone and his mother for not caring if he didn't feel well and responded the way she did. Three, they lived very close to this home, he probably saw that noone lived there and thought it was be a safe and easy place to hide out for a while. I do wonder why the police thought he went to the house before school if his friend saw him in the same clothes after school. Perhaps he skipped school and only went to the school for lunch and was seen leaving before getting in the chimney. Still so many questions.
His parents were wrong to deny him a new phone after his was lost. Also, 40 hours missing was too long for parents not to report it
He broke it
Very sad case. 😢 I agree that compassion is in order not judgement. Thanks Dr. Grande
Bravo! One of my kids had some of the same issues. It takes immense patience and a LOT of support. Missing one of those can lead to sad consequences. Our family was lucky, we had the means to obtain good therapy for all of us. (There was no health insurance coverage for autism back then. I'm so sad for Harley and his family, it could have been us. 😢
I'm autistic as well. I have a fear of heights, but when I was younger, I had a misperception of consequences.
Most children and adolescents have the inability see consequences, and not a few drivers, I might add.
@@messrsandersonco5985 I recently went visit the town I grew up in. Going through the places I used to play and with all the old memories rushing in, I'm amazed by the fact I survived to adulthood. I should have broken my neck many times over.
Maybe the story of Santa entering homes through the chimney has caused a widespread belief that chimneys are a possible way to enter houses. They're not. Even if they are not being used for fires, they're built in a way that anyone would be stuck if they fell in from the roof.
Yes, I believe you are right!...I NEVER knew, until now, that entering a home via the chimney is NOT a way to gain entry into a house!..:-)
Back in the 18th and 19th century in Europe, the general public would have known that chimneys are dangerous and that they are narrow and often have twists and turns designed to improve fireplace performance. They would have known this because they would have seen all the small, young boys employed by adult master sweeps. Only little children could fit easily in those chimneys. And on occasion, even these boys might find themselves stuck and sometimes, met their deaths by suffocation when they couldn't move and couldn't be extracted in time.
@@SY-ok2dqI started hyperventilating just thinking about getting stuck in a chimney.
If Santa went down this particular chimney with Harley still inside, Mr. Claus would give up that practice.
He was just a naughty child. We were all young. I didn't think he went to burgle. I think he went to that house before and just wanted to explore some more.
This is just tragic! I’m so sorry to hear it happened. My heartfelt condolences go out to everyone who loved this young man. I wish I could help Harley’s parents to know that there are many of us out here who do not and would never blame you for what befell your son. I’m praying that as time goes by you’ll be able to get some peace of mind. I’m so very sorry for your loss. RIP Harley.🙏🏼❤️🕊
So sad for Harley and his family. Your treatment of his story is very compassionate.
I’ve helped families that have kiddos who have the same issues Harley had. It’s difficult to explain, and every diagnosis is different, and impacts families differently. I don’t feel the parents were to blame.
Agreed. They were obviously caring parents.
idk about that, I dont think its ok to let your kid know that is ok to dissapear for days... and if you know he has that habit, you need to give him a way to comunicate to them. He can pay it back later, so he can learn the responsability part. Yes families with TEA need to me flexible but that doesnt mean that they have free pass for neglect.
@@zuzu7308 idk do you have a kid with autism? I do.
I agree. My child is level 1. She's almost 16
@@kweenz109 mine is 9, level 1, previously level 2 when he was younger. People think they know or could manage it better but they haven’t idea.
Maybe he wasn’t committing a burglary. Maybe he just wanted someplace to hang out while he was supposed to be at school.
Yes, the "burglary" part is speculation.
I really like your take on this Doc.
I have a hard time when people have no clue what’s going on and create so much chaos by creating conspiracies. They make a simple, but awful situation 1000x worse than what the reality is.
RIP Harley 🕊️
To me what's most disturbing is how people with conspiracy theories are so desperate for their theory to be true. They believe in it fetishistically because it triggers something in their psyche. They bear no relation to people who objectively considering alternative possibilities. It's like comparing a quietly spiritual person to a member of a religious cult.
It's not a conspiracy
@@icwhy4366None of the theories had any weight to them.
As was said Harley likely didn’t know chimney design and thought it would’ve went all the way to the floor to exit
@@icwhy4366
I would have to disagree. When there are no facts to something, in this case, it becomes, became a conspiracy.
Poor Harley. What a terrible way to die. I feel bad for his parents too. They were used to him disappearing and reappearing and having to deal with his very odd behaviors and habits. It is hard enough dealing with a so-called normal child, so I'm sure it's triple hard dealing with a child with mental limitations who tends to act out over seemingly normal situations. They have my sympathies in losing their son in such a tragic way. Nobody should be heaping guilt on top of the guilt they probably already feel.
I don’t really feel bad for his parents. It sounds like they didn’t treat him well. What parent waits 40 hours to report their young teen missing?
@grumpyoldlady_rants First off, calling law enforcement for a mental, behavioral, or nuerodivergent issue often leads to death. These young people when they are in a "mood", I called them fits with my son, are thinking from the lower brain, and cannot be reasoned with. A cop giving them an order that they are unable to comply with because all the emotional chemicals are overloading their brain, will either get screaming, or what looks like defiance. This leads the officer to either get angry or think he's in danger and shoot. I've seen it over and over in my community so never called the cops when my son was in that mental.place. Secondly, the parents probably didn't know what to do. Harley may have had a place he would go that seemed safe, and he probably came home when he was hungry. Only it didn't happen this time. Thirdly, one has NO IDEA what it is like raising children with these issues. It takes a parent to their breaking point. If the parents didn't have the support they needed, I could see how they behaved this way. Everyone is fighting a battle other's know nothing about. Be kind. This ended tragically for all involved.
Yeah, most people want to die in their sleep after seeing their children grow up.
@@grumpyoldlady_rants Parents who have been struggling for a long period of time with these repetitive behaviors. High school students runaway so often, that many police departments say just give it some time.
@@NYCHFAN - We aren’t talking about an adult. He was only 14 years old. I absolutely do know what’s it’s like to raise children who are difficult, for whatever reason. My oldest son gave my husband and I a lot of grief while in his teens. My youngest son had (has) pretty much the same disorders that Harley had with the exception of ODD ( but he certainly had his share of outbursts). When my oldest son got into legal trouble in his teens, we made sure his probation officer was made aware any time our son violated his probation. One thing we didn’t do was guilt trip him or say terrible things about him.
This is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard. Poor baby. 😥
Love your work but have to admit I can't resist clicking on just to see what new cactuses you have. They're awesome.
I don't think the boy was committing a burglary...he was just looking for a place to be while skipping school, a place where he wouldn't be seen....
Ugh !! .....these chimney deaths really creep me out !! The Joshua Maddux case is by far the most disturbing.
I think your coverage of this story could save lives since others have died in similar/the same way(s). I had no idea how chimneys worked and the myth of Santa Claus has obviously given children and adults the wrong idea about getting into a house that way. I’m so sorry he learned that lesson the hard way. So sad.
While what he was doing was technically a burglary, it seems fairly obvious to me he wasn't robbing the house. He wasn't committing a burglary in that sense.. He knew nobody lived there and probably didn't think it would be loaded with valuables. He was looking for a place to hang out so as not to be in school. IOW, he wanted to cut school in an abandoned house.
That's still a crime.
@@victoriajohnson4420 I agree. But it's not the crime of the century. Might not even qualify as a burglary because he wasn't planning on committing a felony.
@@tarstarkuszExactly, bad behaviour and technically illegal? Sure. Don’t know many teenagers or kids who haven’t done similarly “naughty” “technically” illegal things. I don’t think it makes him *especially* bad. He wasn’t trying to hurt anyone or steal property, just adventure.
@@theghostinthemirror8158 It probably wasn't even a burglary. The elements of burglary are :
(1) A person entering;
(2) A building, occupied structure, or separately secured portion thereof of another; and.
(3) With the purpose to commit a crime therein.
(taken from google)
In the end, he paid with his life. We shouldn't spoil his memory by associating it with a crime like residential burglary. That is a very serious crime with long prison sentences attached to it.
@@tarstarkuszI get what you’re saying but I think just breaking and entering is a crime though
RIP Harley🕊️
I remember when this happened. It’s such a sad story. My youngest son had the same diagnoses except ODD. I wonder if Harley’s parents got help to learn how to help Harley? It doesn’t sound like it. They sound like they didn’t treat Harley very well. Kids on the spectrum, especially with comorbid dxs, need specialized care. Raising my youngest son wasn’t easy but, thankfully, we were able to get interventions for him and my husband and I. Today, he is in his 30s. He is independent, hard working and a decent person. He still struggles some but he is so much farther along than professionals predicted he would ever be.
@traybern - Do you realize what ODD stands for? If not, it’s oppositional defiant disorder
Ohio doesn’t have Caylee’s Law. In the 10 or so states that do, the parents could been charged for not reporting their child missing within 24 hours. It was introduced following the Casey Anthony trial.
I remember seeing this but didnt read it. Sad for Harley but glad they found him. Autism poses many challenges. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟
That’s incredibly sad. He was trying to hide and it went wrong.
@traybern
He was trying to HIDE, not die...so yeah, it went very wrong.
How can we know that his intent was burglary? I can easily imagine a repeat "runaway" 14 yr old entering an empty house with the intention of squatting for a bit. My 14 yr old self would never have attempted the athleticism of chimney entry, but an escape from my daily life in a house all to me would've been dreamy.
40 hours is a long time to not know or have seen or contacted your child. I understand going to friends houses or playing ect. But that's alot of unknown time. I couldn't.
Unfortunately when reviewing his own videos on YT, you can see that things in the household like relationship dynamics were strained. I think mom and dad were fed up with him. I always say to embrace and get all the resources you can for your child early on. It just really helps especially when support services can teach you, the parents, how to de-escalate situations as anger, outbursts, or risks of leaving. His mom did lock him out of the house sometimes. I just think they needed more support and mom nor dad knew what to do. 😢 it really was a case that started long before.
IF there are any!
Glad you brought this up. ASD requires early intervention and given the boy’s age and the area, I doubt such services existed when he was little. These situations cause a lot of pain at home. We have to be cognizant that they exist, we must have compassion and respect. We have to empathize with the child and parents. It is not easy. The boy was no burglar. May he rest in peace.
@Watcher6868 we start services at age 3, preschool teacher here. I am surrounded by title 1 schools and head start/early intervention programs too. My last baby had a very traumatic incoming to the world, lost oxygen and the nicu doctor suggested a teacher program, and they come to my house, I only had to call to set up the first appointment. It's been amazing what they do and services they have offered us. My youngest is actually too far ahead I say. But I always say start young, it just builds upon each other. Yes I don't know if they were available or limited and from his videos it just made me think he was crying out for help.
My son has ADHD. It's really hard to deal with.
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Hi Dr Grande, good evening from Southern California.
Excellent analysis. Thank you for supporting those of us with mental or brain disorders.
As always I learn something new from your videos.
The challenge of parenting ASD children even those with mild traits and with parents with all the best intentions, knowledge and in a strong long lasting partnership should not be understated.
As someone who is changing their career from IT to becoming an LPC, I appreciate your videos and professional demeanor. I hope that when I graduate and get my Masters that I can approach my job with half of the professionalism and humor that you do. Thanks for your videos.
Most parents aren't ready to deal with kids with ASD. I know, I have ASD, my parents couldn't handle me.
everytime I hear about one of these deaths it makes me so sad .. such a lonely and frightening way to die! especially a child, my lord
I didn’t realize how many people try this entry through the chimney method.
If Dr. Grande is referring to the one in Los Angeles some teenager tried shimmining down the chimney of some girl he liked who was not interested in him. So he took it upon himself to trespass on her family’s home in an unusual manner. I don’t remember if the fire department had to dismantle the chimney but they did rescue him.
Raising Any child is full of hardships
I cannot imagine their pain!
1:34-1:35 Harley Dilly frequently took showers to keep himself clean, and he was found in a chimney that’s known to be very dirty and dusty so strange
I think Harley wanted to hide out from his parents and not go to school that day. I didn't hear any evidence that he intended to steal anything inside the empty house.
This is horrific that poor little teen boy ... bless his heart
It just sounds exactly like something a young boy would do. I don't have any mental health syptoms (that I'm aware of) but the young me definitely got into some tight situations - just out of having an adventurous spirit and curiosity. When I was a boy, my friends and I used to jump off high rooftops and and trees, daring eachother to see who could jump from the highest point. Broken limbs resulted, and laughs were had. I could definitely see myself trying to slide down a chimney like santa claus.
As a woman, I am actually surprised by how many full grown men there are in the world.
It's truly amazing that so many males survive their youth!
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i nailed the door to the laundry shoot closed because of this
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening when cacti slowly sneak up on a RUclips host like this.
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1:04 - It looks like a spider descended on your left side (our right) next to your head, unless that’s just some fluff or something.
I wonder if he was looking more to hide for the school day than rob the house.
Who said anything about robbing? If you mean burglarize, this is a different crime than theft…
I think it was fine for the parents to say that he needed to earn a new smartphone, but they should have given him a basic handset for calls and texts.
And not worrying about not seeing a fourteen-year-old for FORTY hours is absurd.
40 hours is a very long time. By 9pm latest after the end of school, let alone that his mother didn’t respond to the missed calls from the school itself. So much time wasted
It can be talked about how “difficult” his condition was for them but none of their responses would have been justified if he DIDNT have autism! They were obviously horrible parents
Why is it assumed that his intent was to burglarize the house? In the absence of confirming evidence, it’s more likely he wanted to have his own space for a while to avoid school. My guess is that his previous “disappearances” occurred during warmer weather. Ohio Decembers are too cold to be outside for any extended period of time so he needed shelter. Individuals on the spectrum often want/need a quiet space when they’re feeling overstimulated or overwhelmed. This is a tragic case.
I just wish he had more caring parents. Very sad. 😢
Maybe his uncaring parents were too busy trying to provide with minimal means to do so
Too bad they did not replace his phone with some sort of tracking on it.
I could barely listdn to ghe end when i figured out how he passed! Such a terrible way to die!! Good job covering it Dr. Grande!
What an heart wrenching tragedy. I cannot imagine the fear and suffering Harley endured in his final moments. Conspiracy theories touting alternative methods of Harley’s demise and attacking the police is hateful. Lastly, I can barely listen to the end when a scenario or story includes being inside small spaces. I’m claustrophobic and this gives me a visceral reaction.
It was so dang cold, this case broke my heart- still does
My son has similar issues. He makes, poor, dangerous at times decisions. He is 15 and doing better with danger but without supervision who knows what could happen. I am deeply saddened by this incident. 😢
Let him read all these stories so he can learn from the tragic experiences of others.
If you aren't already familiar with it, look up the Nutty Putty Cave death.
Also, a house that is undergoing renovation is a place of many potential dangers, just like construction sites.
His life had a lot of struggles due to his health issues. For sure we can’t judge his parents since we are not dealing with children like him. The whole thing was sad and tragic. RIP Harley 🥲
I'm surprised someone didn't see him climbing up the house and on the roof. But then it may have only taken a couple of minutes.
Poor little guy. 😞
Man, I live near Toledo and this whole story was just messed up. It was sad how this poor kid met his demise :(
how do you take your clothes off in a chinmey AND die of compressive asphyxiation? howd he get his clothes off?
He kicked them off, I think is the idea.
God this story kills me. Hate it. That poor boy. 😢
As a mother all I can think about is how scared he must have been to be stuck in that chimney, how much he missed his mom or wish you would have listen to her, and wishing that someone would come find him. So heartbreaking
That poor little boy. Astonishing attitude from the parents.
This one ....often I consider the heartache with which parents of children with rare "needs" live daily - moment by moment their struggles can seldom be shared with even family member members....they were my students-for 21 years and the helplessness is a sadness few know. It's very cold in Port Clinton...could have been 25 - 40 degrees below zero with the roaring wind chill factor. God help us all be a kinder community member....💔🎈
Harley may not have been committing burglary. He didn't want to go to school, and he might have been looking for somewhere to stay. Maybe watch some TV inside that home. Since it was locked, he could only assume what he might find inside. It just seems reasonable to me, that he was looking for a place to "hang out", rather than burglarise.
Burglary is the act of illegally entering a building or other area, usually, but not always, with the intent to commit a felony. Technically, Harley committed burglary the second he entered their private property without their permission, regardless of his intent. Burglary is similar to trespassing.
@@victoriajohnson4420 I thought it was called "break and enter" when a lock is broken to enter private property. But I don't live in the US. I think there is a difference in the severity of the charge in Canada... depending on the intent. Like, the punishment for being a "squater" is less sever than being someone who entered for the purpose of theft.
Why the thought that he was stealing from the house? I have AuDhd and struggled horrificly in school. My parents would also lock me outside, even as a young child, I can relate to him a lot. When I skipped school to avoid rampant bullying, I would often go and spend the day in an abandoned factory close to home. Just because he was breaking in to an empty house doesn't mean he was stealing. From my own perspective he was looking for a safe place to spend the day alone, and went to great lengths not to be detected by avoiding a door and risking setting off an alarm or having to break anything. He just wanted some peace from the onslaught of fractured relationships and obligations he didn't sign up for.
I couldn’t finish this one, too sad. Hugs 😢
This is a great way to start my Sunday! Thanks Dr.G
wut lol
How does one know he was intending to commit burglary? He could have been planning to hide from his parents for a while instead.
Remember that Dr Grande is merely speculating. As he himself says repeatedly at the beginning of his videos.
@@rickh3714I would have preferred he hadn't speculated that. It didn't set well with me.
@fashehc Breaking in to hide out from parents would still technically be considered burglary though. Although burglary most often involves a theft, the actual definition is "Entry into a building illegally with intent to commit a crime”.
That crime doesn't always need to be stealing. Criminal trespass is a crime too (it's right there in the name).
So even entering someone's home with the intent to hide out and watch TV and eat snacks could still technically fall under the definition of burglary (even though most would just be charged with trespass if this turned out to be the case) 😉.
I think Dr. Grande was just using the term as it is actually defined and not necessarily assuming stealing was going to happen.
Breaking into a house to "hide from your parents" is burglary
Excellent wrap up doc.
Thank Doctor G!! Very insightful!
Having a child like Harley is exhausting. My sympathy for the parents is immense 😢
They're struggles with him are now over thank God
Yep, deep down they’d relieved that he’s gone and they can go back to living a normal life.
His parents seem cruel and negligent. I believe Harley was acting out because of his trauma, which would've been difficult to deal with for any person... but for him, as an autistic person, it must've been a nightmare to struggle through. What a tragic life. I feel for the kid.
He sounds like a nightmare to deal with
Why do people assume he was robbing the place? He may have just been trying to find a place to skip school.
Aside from that, I do think refusing to replace his phone was a mistake. They didn't have to load it up with apps or games or anything, but the ability to call or text for help might have saved his life.
That is horrifying. I'm sure he was just exploring while skipping school. I remember doing similar things as a kid out of boredom.
His poor parents. What were they supposed to do? The older the person gets the harder it is to protect them from themselves. A tragedy for all.
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Are you always so insensitive?
And the chimney actually was big enough for him to fit....he made it all the way to the bottom, didn't he?
He didn't get stuck midway.
The problem is that there was no exit at the bottom.
His mother locked him out of the house . That's why he tried to climb down the chimney. His mother had threatened to call the police on him so instead of breaking in the house he tried going down the chimney. People that knew what was going on with the family where very angry with the mother and father. This wasn't the first time he had been locked out.
@@jaytee2642As was said though Chimneys narrow as they go on not to mention there’s that damper etc so it’s not a straight line.
It’s why all chimneys should have those caps at the top to prevent anything from entering
@@Lakirk20235e chimney wasn’t in the parents’ home
@lorirogers9304 We all know that. I live not to far away from where this happened. This was his parents fault and everybody knew this. That's why they were protesting. It was against the parents.
I’m going through this with my son😢behavior problems
Pray
This sounds terrible. Sad. Thanks so much for all the interesting video essays each day, Dr. Grande.❤ I look forward to your work and find it calms me down and is also always informative and interesting.❤
OH MY GOD!!!! This episode made me have anxiety attack, I can't imagine The horrible way he died just really made me feel like I couldn't breathe. ,
This is a horrible tragedy no matter what. Just heartbreaking.
I understand the parents not calling police. Harley has vanished before so there was no reason to suspect he would not return this time.
People in general have little to no common sense. The fact they jumped to a conclusion regarding the coat placement is a perfect example.
This boy was out of control and impulsive. He likely figured he could hole up in the house awhile and go back home.
Unfortunatly his impulsivness became his demise.
It happens to people of all ages and blame can't be placed anywhere but at the adventurers feet.
"People in general have little to no common sense."
If most people don't have it, it's not common.
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@@jamese9283 Common sense refers to a type of judgement, not to the frequency of that judgement. So it having a low frequency in the population doesn't have any bearing on the fact that it is called common sense. It could be called simple, basic judgement instead of common sense.
it's called HAVING NO LIVES AT REDDIT :)
I have too much time on my hands but I try to fill it ore constructively than gossiping with other reddit folks :)
@traybern That is a great observation.
Very true. Until I lived in a house with a fireplace. I had no idea it had a flue.
So this mishap is very understandable.
Its definately unfortunate.
I Soo look forward to hearing your ideas as to why certain things happen appreciate you analysis of the situations you cover
Ohhhh, how sad 😔
Dr Grande, I wish you & your family the best ever mad season. 🌲🌲🌲
So sad! RIP Harley!🙏❤
The jacket doesn't look like it was worn and removed in the tight dusty chimney space, and then been shoved through a tight dusty hole.
Always interesting
Thank you
Well said, Dr. Grande!
I think the coroner was being kind to the parents because if he had enough wiggle room to pull clothes off he likely died of dehydration and was alive a week. Poor kid, and poor parents to then have people accuse them as if losing a child (at all let alone in such an awful way) wasn't horrific enough.
The coroner would never lie about the cause of death to spare someone's feelings. It was a 9" x13" shaft. He was panicked.
Coroners don’t typically lie on legal causes of death. This is unlikely
theyve been known to lie but not to spare feelings its usually to cover up someone with power or connecyions to someone with power...like the jfk guy...then of course you got them putting don thet deleted themselves when it was clearly a murder@@lisbethbird8268
@@lisbethbird8268 - Oh?
Amy Sweasy, Hennpin County Prosecutor, in her 2023 Case Deposition:
"I called Dr. Baker early that morning to tell him about the case, and to ask him if he would perform the autopsy on Mr. Floyd. He called me later in the day on that Tuesday, and he told me that there were no medical findings that showed any injury to the vital structures of Mr. Floyd's neck. There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation."
She continues:
"He said to me, 'Amy, what happens when the actual evidence doesn't match up with the public narrative that everyone's already decided on?', and then he said, 'This is the kind of case that ends careers'".
I wouldn't go overestimating the amount of air that was available to Harley in that tight space - which his body was occupying thereby even further reducing the amount of oxygen available. And all that physical exertion and panic, he would have been using up the available oxygen very quickly.
Sad to say, but this is exactly how some young chimney sweep boys in the late 18th century and 19th century met their tragic ends. Boys - the smaller, thinner and younger the better - would climb up these chimneys to scrape out the soot and debris buildup. Sometimes, a boy would get stuck and unable to move forwards or backwards, and would suffocate to death. It was pretty quick - hours - as these were small spaces with limited air. If all other attempts to get the boy out failed, bricklayers would be called to break through the chimney bricks from the outside to try to get the boy out. But very often, the boy would already be unconscious or dead by the time the bricks were removed.
I'm from there and a few people were absolutely disgusting how they treated his mother.
She is partly at fault, they should not have waited 40 hours to call police, regardless of if he's run off before. With his issues and his age they should have reported him missing long before then
@@maddyc2412even if! It took the police 3 weeks to finally find him. An earlier call would have saved a few hours. Not enough to keep the boy alive. This is heartbreaking.
@@Watcher6868 even if it wouldn't have saved him, it's still weird that they would wait that long, no normal parent would wait so long to report their child missing
So very sad.
💔 so sad....smh. So sad. Rest in peace, Harley🙏🏾🕊 Love and condolences to his parents & family.
This is one of those cases that is quite sad and bizarre as to what all happened. It’s very unfortunate he died. Thank you for the analysis Dr. Grande, I hope you’re having a great weekend. Keep up the great work and take care!