Escapes charges? I mean, you just got hit, and the two witnesses followed the assailant to the point where they stoped… had she just stop after the incident, she could have gotten a ticket and life moved on…but no she fled, went home, went inside her home THEN CAME BACK OUT WITH A GUN…. Stay inside, call the cops and make sure they don’t come to you. She had a gun, she could have stayed inside… When it came to her losing her life… it’s not great… but to insinuate he needed to sympathize with her being a woman… that’s insane… why would anyone need to sympathize with her…
NEVER go home when you are being followed. Drive straight to a police station. Otherwise you are leading people directly to where you live. And even if they don't do anything at that time...they can always sneak in later while you're sound asleep.
@@Accuface2000- Don't get me wrong, she is not innocent in this. But I'm just saying, in general, it's not a good idea to lead people to your home. I've been followed before and it's very scary.
She didn’t go to the police station because she was in the wrong. She went home where she knew she had a gun & decided to escalate the situation instead.
She called the police, why didn’t she wait for them?!? A gun is NOT a tool for intimidation! You only point a gun if you’re intent on IMMEDIATELY using it due to a threat to your life!
You point a gun when you are threatened by two armed motorcyclist and a trucker who followed you home and are confronting you in the driveway. The motorcyclist was at fault and should have been put in jail.
@@rocroc lmfao, they're following her because she fled the scene of an accident. It doesn't matter if it's minor. All of this stuff about them threatening her you invented. 2:52 They told her exactly why they were following her. They were asking her to wait for the police to come.
@@rocroc Yeah, I'm just not going to read all of that, sorry. You keep saying things like "armed" as though she could possibly have known this. When you collide with another vehicle, you stop and exchange information and call the cops. End of story.
Karen almost killed a motorcyclist - TWICE - and was so afraid that she fled the scene of a hit-and-run accident to go home, calling ahead for her mom to get a gun, then she grabbed the gun, went from the safety of her home to confront the men at the road, pointed the gun at him . . . And Found Out.
The level of rage which lives within the souls of some in the USA is a sad indicator that many human beings are easily triggered and basically unhinged and ready to pounce at the least provocation. The inability to accept responsibility and to apologize is at the crux of so many assaults and murders. The need for emotional intelligence and de escalation education is needed all around.
It's happening more and more now thanks to platform like TikTok. Everyone wants to feel like a victim or oppressed, they're taught to be angry, and will rage at just about anything. So many fights at McDonalds over cold fries, I kid you not.
It's true, when feminism took hold, the little lost girl syndrome went berzerk (Spirit of Jezebel) and look at the wasteland of destroyed marriages , rotten children, and useless emotional reactions that only cause harm , and she provoked her own death in this routine due to her own desire to run down a stranger with her vehicle. Cute ! THe irony is her assault on a stranger, caused her own death. That rage in her little blackened heart manifested that day.
My adult children have professional careers and spouses but they have chosen not to have children because of the level of self-sacrifice they would have to make in order to raise them properly with good cognitive-emotional balance in mental/physical health and well-being, which takes tons of face-to-face interaction in the child-parental unit relationship. It does not take long in looking at the statistics to see that parents who are in an arrested state of development themselves model childish immature behavior to future generations. I literally cringe whenever spoiled rotten children with thin skins and no coping skills become frustrated adults and have other spoiled rotten children with frustrations of their own. In my opinion this is how entitled "Karens" and "Kens" are raised. Other people have difficulty dealing with them and holding them accountable. Karens/Kens are adept at turning tables to make themselves out to be the perpetually vulnerable-grandiose narcissistic victims in never-ending complaints. By accommodating her daughter's wishes, Sara's own biological mother aided and abetted poor decision-making that led to her daughter's self-destruction.
1. With a helmet on and while riding a motorcycle you need to yell to convey a message. You DO need to "yell aggressively" and you DO need to make a driver aware that they could have killed someone 2. A "minor fender bender" on a motorcycle could be fatal. There aren't minor fender benders on a motorcycle. Farings are expensive to replace and paint. More than repairing a small dent on a car. 3. Of course they had to follow her, it's physically not possible to write down a plate number while riding a motorcycle. Those were some extremely ignorant comments that obviously came from someone who's never been near a motorcycle.
For what it's worth, were I pregnant, I would not be leaving my house to confront people who have followed me home. I'm keeping my baby-carrying self inside away from windows.
She wasn’t pregnant. That was a lie the mother made up to gain sympathy for her daughter who was the perpetrator. Autopsy & medical examiners after the death said there was no indication of pregnancy.
Like many of us, you probably wouldn’t even be in a road rage altercation to begin with & you sure the heck wouldn’t lead the pissed off people you’re having an altercation with right to your home, *ESPECIALLY* not if you really are pregnant.
Dr Grande is missing a main point here Sara was using a deadly weapon from the very get-go of the situation. Confronting an motorcyclist with an automobile it's like confronting a unarmed man with machine gun. Car against motorcycle is always a use of a deadly force and apparently Dr Grande is not aware of it. When a car driver deliberately collides with a motorcyclist it should be always considered as attempted murder by simple laws of physics. Dr Grande judging this traffic accident as minor just by the results of it is example of his serious lack of his insight in this case. This entitled woman had disregard for human life , long before she pulled out the gun. Those are the facts besides the fact that the motorcyclist was dangerous, and angry .
Does anyone here ride a motorcycle? It is terrifying to be cut off, let alone hit by a car which outweighs the bike by thousands of pounds. I can understand why he became very angry, and then she did not even stop to exchange information. What happened was horrible, but she was safe in her home, and chose to be the aggressor and run outside with a gun. Why didn't she wait for police?
@user-ho2mj5wo7jthis is true for older ppl. Not younger like teen and 20’s. Most not all, just want power n control. They think it makes them powerful but a lot of times, lands them in jail or prison. They let the power go to their head. Some are taught correctly and know when to use it. My son will be 14 when he gets his black belt in both Karate n Taekwondo. He can really harm someone, break a rib with one kick, disarm a person with a weapon, and much more but if taught restraint n not to go beyond what is needed to defend. Not keep harming if the person has stopped or retreating.
@user-ho2mj5wo7j in the US the fear of others snapping have lead to everybody going around with an handgun in their pocket so now each time somebody snaps innocent people risk their lives for the most futile reasons. I mean, being scared and getting hungry are very common human emotions and both can lead an otherwise reasonable person to become irrational and aggressive. So the worst thing to do is allowing common people to bear arms in the street. The main problem in this case is not fear or anger. The laws about firearms you have in the US are the main factor I consider responsible for this killing.
@@simhess9720 🤣 have you ever seen anyone driving a motocycle with his bow and quiver slung over his back. Yes I consider US gun laws responsible for this killing.
@user-ho2mj5wo7j I don't think Americans are more violent than people in other countries. I'm just saying that with a more restrictive legislation about firearms this wouldn't have ended up in a tragedy like it did. They both wouldn't have had a firearm in the first place and they would not have remotely thought of resolving the issue with weapons. To be honest I think if we had similar laws in Italy where I live the situation would be far worse than in the US 😂
Everyone's going out of the way to defend her because they want to be a white knight. She was clearly the aggressor and broke multiple laws including fleeing the scene of an accident after assaulting Andrew with her vehicle as a weapon.
@@rocroc She was the one doing the confronting! She swerved at him to block him from passing. He got angry and started cursing her out and she then swerved again and this time hit him. How is it that you don't see that she was the aggressor? Then coming out and pointing a gun at the enraged dude she wronged.
@@rocroc From your picture it's obvious you are not a rational person and most likely a leftard. You are in your house and have already called the police and the bikers are at the end of your driveway also calling the cops. So this "terrified" lady decides to leave the safety of her home with a gun to confront these guys. Classic unhinged woman.
I guess that's meant as a negative, as in, they were unable to find evidence that she was pregnant, or maybe they didn't check. Maybe the question only arose later when other people were interviewed.
It was said that she was 5 months pregnant. Even if she wasn't pregnant, it would have been stated as such. It would say inconclusive. It's either you are or you're not.
With a gun!!!! Not just outside, but outside and across yard to confront witnesses sitting on roadside! And her mother did NOT discourage her whatsoever, fetching the gun.... poor 11 year old girl, will be raised by woman (grandmother) teaching her up is down and left is right. I hope history doesn't repeat itself in 10 years. Maybe mom( grandma) has stopped talking nonsense and told granddaughter that "her mommy made a mistake and she should not take the law into her own hands, to always WAIT for police."
@@Emma_esthetician that's it, twist the situation to suit yourself. Just ignore what took place from beginning to end and pick out one speck within the whole situation to justify your belief.
@@Emma_esthetician they never entered her property and they never threatened her. She went outside her property and threatened them with a gun. She was shot in self defence
@@augustek5382so 3 men follow you home and stand across the street, and you think the best course of action is to grab a gun and go outside to confront them?
@@augustek5382first of all.. she tried to kill him by running him off the road.. you and dr grande try to sugar coat it but no she tried to kill him it’s no wonder he was so pissed and why 2 other random people had to involve themselves and follow her to.. him saying” don’t they have better things to do with their time “is so fucking gaslighting is not even funny. She was 100% wrong and I know that dude sleep well at night
@@augustek5382I believe you are missing the point. They shouldn’t have followed her but they did. They didn’t go on the property. She goes inside, retrieves a gun then comes out aggressively. What a dummy
I was once driving on the freeway after dark (though not late in the evening) when another driver honked at me - I wasn’t clear why they had done so. When I exited the freeway I realized the car was following me. This was pre-cellphones, I (a woman of 30) was all alone and I was very frightened. The car followed me for several miles. It didn’t occur to me to drive to a police station, but I did pull in at a popular restaurant that was well-lit and had quite a few people out front. The car parked near me and a woman got out and approached. She explained that she had followed me in order to apologize for honking at me. 😳 I was too stunned to tell her how frightened I had been, but mumbled an acknowledgment and she drove off. She was obviously a sweet lady, but her actions in this instance were idiotic and dangerous! I hope she never did it again. 🙄
Motorcyclists will often help each other out because they all tend to have experiences with cyclist blind drivers and understand the vulnerability. I can also absolutely understand why she wouldn’t pull over to face 3 strangers men on motorcycles. But I dont understand why she exited her home, a safe space where she could call the cops and wait, just to point her gun at the men who waited on the street. That was the defining point of no return. Nothing was ideal here, but that was the tipping point.
1. A car commits a hit and run on a MOTORCYCLIST. Not another car-but a person who is EXTREMELY vulnerable-regardless of being ‘yelled at.’ People get angry EVERY DAY about getting cut off. I’d be pissed too-in my car. 2) She was NOT threatened just because three people are asking her to take responsibility for what she did. She could have called 911 instead of her mom. 3) They waited outside and SHE confronted them. It wasn’t even like they were at her doorstep. 4) She uses a gun to threaten them (KEEP IN MIND-SHE COULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE MULTIPLE TIMES BY NOW). But, she decides to threaten people with a gun after committing a hit and run (whether in self-defense or not), just because someone was angry that she cut them off. It’s a MOTORCYCLIST. A tiny bump could have killed him. I’d be pissed if someone else nearly killed me adrenaline probably hit that man instantly in that situation. Like, i’m sorry, but this woman doesn’t deserve sympathy. Her actions weren’t just irresponsible, but reckless and could have resulted in the death of the motorcyclist (by hitting him and threatening him with a gun). OH, also, watching many accident videos involving motorcyclists and observing how random motorcyclists tend to ride together (first hand observation and speaking to friends who ride motorcycles)-they simply have a weird culture of standing up for each other and sharing their uniform love of bikes. FYI: I greatly disliked motorcycles until I started acknowledging a moment like this. ALSO, when in traffic (here in California where lane splitting is legal), it pisses me off that they lane split, but the can-it’s the law. So, with that said, it’s even regular for cars to move slightly over in the lane (when in very slow traffic). Some people, I assume, do it to protect their cars. Others, probably do it for the safety or for courtesy to the bikers. I prioritize their safety, but protect our vehicles is cool too so that’s a bonus.
One of the reasons it is legal for motorcycles to split lanes is because their air cooled engines can overheat in heavy traffic. People who drive cars may not be aware of this but a motorcycle engine can overheat and become damaged in heavy traffic with insufficient air flow to cool the engine.
@@Re1ardedHoon I know that which is why I commented. The person was saying motorcycles can split lanes and the way they said it implied that they don’t understand why that would be legal. Those of us who know should educate those who don’t, it’s not their fault they were never exposed to it. Knowing this will also decrease anger towards motorcyclists who split lanes and maybe reduce road rage incidents.
He went to pass she played road police and cut him off>>Thats attempted vehicular manslaughter to a motorcycle. He curses her out and she once again swerves and this time hits him. Attempt on his life # 2. He followed her home to get her info and she stormed him with a gun. Hot headed Latina.
She intentionally hit him with her car .. and ran off of course they followed her. The 3 guys were literally waiting on the cops to deal with that. Whatever expletives or anything shouted doesn’t matter at that point. She literally sped up- hit him and ran off. . I’m telling you right now I would do the same. Not just for insurance reasons but because SOMEONE LITERALLY HIT YOU ON PURPOSE WITH THEIR CAR WHILE YOU ARE ON A MOTORCYCLE!! That’s damn near attempted murder if not at least aggravated assault.
As a long time motorcyclist myself, I can guarantee you that if someone purposefully impedes another motorcycle and then commits vehicular assault on that bike... not only are immediate tensions going to be high but the motivation to ensure that law enforcement become involved are paramount. Should this involve following them to their home? Hard to say... but certainly had I witnessed such a thing I would have followed the car to see where they stopped next. I would not have approached but would certainly have called 911 at my first opportunity to get the police involved. Where this all goes pear shaped for the gal is that she had no business coming out of her home with a handgun if she was no longer under any threat. This looks like a dominance thing on her part... from the very beginning. I've seen my share of automobile drivers getting pissed off because a motorcycle could do something they could not. File that under the category "Crazy but true".
Sarah exited her house with her gun as a matter of pride. A scared or threatened person would not do this. She felt these men had got one over on her, that she had lost the battle. These 3 men had formed an allegiance, and Sarah felt insulted. There was no escaping the fact that the confrontation on the road was going to cost her money, and perhaps a caution or charge. So, she took her gun outside to reclaim some of her power. Stupidly, she pointed a gun without the intent to kill. Never point a gun at anyone unless you intend to shoot them dead. She lost her life due to pride.
Best comment. It was all pride and indeed she felt insulted by the allegiance. Sadly she lashed out, like these types of people do whenever they feel like they're "losing"
From what I’m hearing, Andrew didn’t “pursue” Sarah, he followed her. After an accident, exchanging drivers information is required, and reasonable. Expecting a motorcyclist to try to remember a tag number to give to the police and simply pull over there and wait, while the hit and run driver leaves the scene is not reasonable. I can’t imagine any driver of a car or motorcycle doing that. Once Sarah got to her house, the trio waited on the roadside for the police to arrive. No violence occurred until Sarah came out of her house brandishing a hand gun and pointing it at Andrew.
I believe the good doctor and the majority of people are missing the point you accidentally cut off a motorcycle with your car. The motorcyclist gets pissed and flips you off. Your response is to ram the motorcycle with your vehicle that’s assault with the deadly weapon then you refuse to stop to exchange information you go home they follow you home, you go inside instead of calling the cops and waiting for them to show up you come outside with a gun who was truly the aggressor in this case
They both were reckless and honestly stupid and immature. They both escalated everything way out of proportion and between them and their bad choices, once she drew a gun it justified Andrew to shoot her. I don’t like the situation, he seemed out to start some dangerous situation but he was justified. It’s sad she lost her life but she also made very poor choices. Two ignorant and emotionally immature people combined for a horrible situation that costed one of their lives. This just shows how many people are emotionally unstable and it’s major problem.
Well thanks, that leaves nothing for me to post :) Unfortunately, every word you said was right. But why did 2 men not related to either follow her home? Bullies...if it was a huge guy in that car, would they have done the same? I dunno. What a disaster.
It seems that Andrew may have been the one who started it from the beginning, her cutting him off could have been accidental, and I know motorcyclists are very sensitive about those things. I could see her fleeing in fear, but on the other hand if she was fear motivated she wouldn't have confronted him outside even with a handgun. it's impossible to know what her frame of mind was, but she's probably crazy just like most people these days.
She should've stopped and waited for the cops, or if scared, drive to a police station. She should NOT have gone home and came out of her house with a gun. Especially if she had called the cops.
It was 100% her fault. They sat at the edge of the curb waiting for the police for the hit & run. Calling her mom “to get the gun” says it all. She wanted to Win. She should’ve had her mother call the police not get a gun and certainly not go out and confront the men waiting for the police. Just my opinion.
In some states, to display your weapon outside of your home, the way she did is considered menacing. All the librarians I know would have avoided the drama, and at least would have remained locked in the house until police arrived; "the best way to get out of trouble is to stay out of trouble" - Sigmund Froid
It depends on where the library is located. I worked at one in a city where there were a couple homeless shelters close by and the people living there tended to go to the library on a daily basis. Aggressive people were not uncommon. Drug use was prominent there as well. So librarians and library workers are not all passive type people. Active shooter training was a thing the staff went through at that library, just to give you an idea that not all libraries are the same...
Yes, to your point, many librarians in Florida are trained to use narcan because of the significant number of overdoses that happen as vagrants and the un-housed use library bathrooms and facilities for drug use. (I live just one county south of where this happened). I'm too lazy to research whether this is true at the specific libraries she worked at, and this doesn't excuse her actions or the outcome, but Dr. Grande's comment about what she has to put up with as a librarian definitely seems to be an assumption based on the traditional role of a librarian.
@@joiathegreat In Spokane County, WA the public library system has changed dramatically since I was a child. Homelessness is a major problem here. At the height of the Covid-19 pandemic, the downtown library became a temporary homeless shelter. In partnership with Eastern Washington University, the local library system provides patrons and community members with access to a trained team of student interns, which provides social services support in locating resources for housing, healthcare, employment, mental health, and more. While not directly offering such services, it is a connection hub for local resources. Currently, through similar public-private partnerships, charitable businesses offer one free midday meal at all Spokane Public Library branch locations at which their have been several stabbings.
Trust me when I say that the Deland Public Library is not a rough place. Lol. I do agree that some libraries in big cities can have a mixed crowd , but we are a relatively small town. This incident was somewhat of a shock.
Ditto. I've worked for law enforcement and in public library systems in the city and both have inherent risks based on working with the public. People are unpredictable.
Dr. grande I always love your input but as a person who has owned motorcycles, it’s a little different from getting cut off in a car ! With the motorcycle, it’s you and the concrete and the slightest cut off could cause a disaster ! Not passing judgment here either way ! I don’t know what happened there I wasn’t there. I just know that it is very scary when someone cut you off especially on the highway.
@Big_Mike_In_TN yeah the fact that she made contact and he was able to keep from going down is a testament to his ability on a motorcycle ! People in the car need to pay more attention, and understand we don’t have any protection from the concrete
Hello Dr. Grande. I think all involved in this case did not think clearly and did not consider the consequences of their actions. Thank you for your analysis always. 😇❤from Jean.
Really? You cut someone and bump their motorcycle, then drive away? When told to stop and wait for the police, she drives home to get a gun. If that's not nuts, I don't know what it is. Sarah was the wrong one. If she was black, you wouldn't be defending her.
@@Accuface2000she only got a gun because she was followed. You're NEVER supposed to follow someone home after a accident. You're supposed to stay where it occurred and talk to police. She would have gotten in more trouble for fleeing an accident. This guy was in the wrong as well.
"When someone has a permit to carry a concealed deadly weapon and is actively carrying a gun, it is their moral responsibility to be the nicest person on the road, or wherever they happen to be." Love the way you put this, completely agree.
@@reallyidc8275 I'm sure I am on more than a few. Doesn't bother me in the slightest pal, nor does any of that prevent access to my constitutionally protected rights and freedoms. The more your know...
Dr. Grande is missing a lot of common cultural issues. police are WORTHLESS in something like this if it's not resolved right then. They wouldn't follow up. He had the person's location, and witnesses present. How would he know that's her home? You complete the reporting process. This woman thought she was a girl boss, but ran across a guy who didn't play. That was her fatal miscalculation.
There was nothing wrong with following her home and keeping distance out in the street to wait for police. Just because you have a license plate number, doesn’t mean that you’ve identified the offender. The plates could be for another vehicle, or the vehicle involved in the collision could be stolen.
@@jasperpike242 Disagree. You don't know if the intent was intimidation. It could just be that tensions were high and they wanted to get the cops to her house and deal with it there. Both parties were in the wrong but her bad decision making was exponentially higher. She could have stayed locked in her house and waited for police to arrive.
Wow. Today it would be better to record constantly while on the road, and certainly take pictures of the license plates. Unfortunately, she walked outside and pointed a loaded weapon at someone. If she had simply stayed inside and defended herself she would have been ok.
But then they record themselves incriminating themselves by recklessly chasing and trying to run that person off the road. How's that not illegal cuz it's practically attempted murder!
If those men had not accompanied Andrew, it would have been a lot less confrontational. Why did they feel that they had to do this? I am sure Andrew could have handled it by himself. I think those men contributed to the outcome of this case. Bad all around.
She committed a crime (hit and run), then gets made and tells the victim and witnesses off or whatever curse words she used, THEN pulls a gun and points it at someone? Sorry but she sounded entitled, reckless and dangerous.
Yea they didn't storm her house did they. They waited outside for the police to arrive. One of them was on the phone with the police. She could have waited for the police to arrive too. Both parties KNOWS the police were arriving. She had to go back outside waiving a gun around, pointing it at them. You don't point your gun unless you're about to fire. If she was gun trained, she would have known.
6,084 motorcyclists died in crashes in the US in 2021. Many more were injured, with some paralyzed for life. Many of these crashes involved cars or trucks. It is notorious how many drivers seem oblivious to where motorcycles are, and often cut them off. My point here is that an aggressive driver in a car presents a clear and present danger to a more vulnerable motorcyclist. I cannot fault this man for reacting to a life-threatening situation, first with the car (which legally is classified as a "deadly weapon") and then with the gun. Dr. Grande, please do not trivialize this accident. Although the damage was minor and the bike did not go down, it so easily could have been catastrophic. As I see it, Sara was the principle aggressor, and she was guilty of a hit-and-run, as well as threatening with a gun. It's a pity that she died, but she brought it upon herself with her actions.
never drive home if you think you're being followed, now they know where you live and can come back at anytime when you don't expect them call the police and drive to the police station or meet them somewhere I suspect she didn't do that because she felt that she was at least partially in the wrong. as for following a criminal, maybe if there was some real justice in the world people would trust the police to do a proper investigation and hold people accountable. i think if they just took down the information the police would have ignored it, hoping the problem would go away, while they finish another box of donuts
Apparently the thing about road rage is that we don’t recognize the person in the other vehicle as a human being. We just perceive bad driving and we feel targeted and defensive. So we over react and treat the threat with less humanity. My father in law was shot in the neck during a road rage incident when they both pulled off to the side of the road with the intention to fight it out (they were yelling at each other through their open windows). It’s not worth it ppl.
Yes! I've long believed that driving brings out the antisocial in us, as the other cars appear primarily to be obstacles- objects- sometimes causing us to forget the people inside them.
Sara cut Andrew off, which could have killed him. Sara bumped Andrew’s motorcycle, which could have killed him. Sara then fled the scene, and came outside her house pointing a gun at Andrew with the intent to kill him. This sounds like it was 100% Sara’s fault.
@@rnash999 No, it’s still 100% her fault. By your logic, a rape victim is partially at fault for their rape because they were where they were when raped.
@@michaelperez9966 Not at all. The police will tell you not to follow a suspect. They called it in, had a description of the car, the license number, the driver and even where she ended up. He should have waited down the road. He absolutely should not have stood in front of her house.
I fully agree that having a ccl means a person should do everything possible to avoid a conflict and that the weapon should be a last resort. That said, i carry. I had someone hit my car and run. I followed the lady hone while armed. I didnt confront the person, but meet a cop at another location and he handled getting things sorted out. A few days later my insurance company asked for photos of her car. Her car was parked in a driveway fully visible from the road. I stopped in the road and took a few photos. The husband run out and up to my car while yelling like a nut. I had a 40 cal glock in my lap. I drove off. Both interaction could have gone like this story. Its better to remove yourself than to kill someone. That said, dont point a gun at someone and not expect to get shot at in return.
Obviosly Dr.Grande has never been cut off by irresponsible motorists while driving a motorcycle. The consequences can be deadly. It doesn't sound like this woman took any responsibility or accountability for changing lanes while not looking where she was going. You can't just check your rear-view. You also need to take a quick glance out of the side window, too. I understand the motorcyclist was angry. Sara also was probably angry since she didn't expect him him to be there. But I agree all he needed to do was take note of her license plate number and report the incident. Both of them just needed some time to cool off. The incident wasn't worth chasing her down or pulling guns out over. The anger and pride would have passed, but death is permanent.
She made it home safe. She was SAFE inside her home. She introduced a firearm into the situation to intimidate witnesses of a crime. In this SHE GOT SHOT. I'm confused as to how this is even a debate.
You don't get it. He harassed her, threatened her, kicked her car, then followed her home and murdered her. Andrew escalated everything. Sarah is followed home by 3 strangers, she decides to defend herself, and is murdered by Andrew.
@@LKre-vi5oqHe murdered no one she pulled and raised a gun instead of waiting for police. 100 percent self defense for him to shoot her. You have no right to raise a gun because you were supposedly harassed and she damn well knew she needed to stop for the police after hitting him. She was not scared if she was she would never have came out of her house, she would have waited for police.if she was scared. Attempted murder ramming a vehicle at someone on a motorcycle. Get a clue.
@@LKre-vi5oq She left her house WITH A GUN!!! She left a SAFE HOUSE....she could have sat in the living room chair with the gun pointed at the door....that would have done the trick if she thought they were gonna break in. She could have NOT swerved into him. She could have stayed home when she got home and waited for the cops. A disaster all around. 3 bullies and a BAD set of decisions by the woman. She didn't just BRING OUT the gun...she pointed it.
Even the wikipedia article clearly paints the picture that the woman was the instigator and at fault from the first incident to the last. Dumb and dumber.
@@productioninquiries881 who wrote and handed the script to Grande? The Wikipedia article is based on court documents (eyewitness accounts, testimony, adn then results) .. , not opinion. I far from trust wikipedia for many things .. but with legal things they have to be air tight. Grande not so much he sways back and forth depending on the situation he's describing. If you look at the History of the wiki edit there are several contributors and editors and you can see all of the revisions and wittling it down to court facts not opinon . I can't post links in youtube you'll have to go look yourself. Do you think she would still be alive if she didn't try to run down a guy on a motorcycle in her SUV?
I don't agree with you completely on this one. First, him yelling at her and being angry after she cut him off is a reaction many people would have, especially if he avoided collision only by his fast reaction and unsafe maneuver. He probably felt he needed to teach her lesson so she is more careful in the future. The other two followed her for solidarity which is common among motorcyclists and also they probably felt like injustice has been made. If his cause of anger was unjustified, they probably wouldn't even interfere there. Instead, they wanted to be witnesses. At the end, if they both hadn't had guns, as in most civilised countries would probably be the case, nothing major would have happened!
While on the road I’ve always encountered bad drivers, with some cutting me off, others weaving in and out of lanes,others who seem to be on a racetrack, etc. My reaction to all of this craziness is to take a deep breath and be on the defensive, and that’s exactly what I taught my teen daughter who just got her DL. It’s a crazy world out there, people. Be safe.
I'm mad at you just for not acting like I do sometimes :) One of those people that know how to stay calm How dare you?!!? :) I just get angry now and don't do the crazy things I did when I was young. But I shall take a deep breath next time and try it your way :)
Driving in California most of my life. I learned defensive driving. Was hit twice. By drunk drivers. Now i live in an area with nary a traffic light. An ocassional stop sign. A traffic jam is three vehicles going to the post office!
@@tessaducek5601 but that also is just the type of area where complacency can get you killed. Even Stalins' former right hand Prince was run over in a town with ONE stop sign.
@@HeronPoint2021 Perhaps. We can be run over in our own front yard. We just don't see erratic drivers except from out of state passing through once in awhile.
I remember this story and there is a lot to say when someone causes a collision and just thinks they can refuse to accept responsibility for their actions and drive away. You cannot just keep using the "I was afraid" excuse to justify every bad act you choose to do.
While I agree, there was a time a guy backed into me in a parking lot. When I got out to speak to him for insurance (his fault here) he was clearly tweaking and wanted my details and kept asking me to go to 'the pokies' with him. I didn't exchange details and never went back to that gym. Sometimes, you ARE scared. You're on your own, rhey might be overly aggressive, and if I lived in a country where people carry concealed 45s, a gun designed to stop you living, maybe id be too scared to stop right there, even as a responsible person. That said, confronting them while waiting for the cops was insanely reckless and the outcome is not surprising.
@@Dontstopbelievingman these days I would be scared as well because there are people who hit you on purpose in order to rob you or car Jack you. I would never tell someone to put themselves in harms way when I would not in a similar situation. we still have to size up the situation and make our best effort to do the right thing 👍
A motorcyclist is so much more vulnerable on the road than a driver in a large motor vehicle. A motor vehicle is a lethal weapon against a motorcyclist. Sara cut Andrew off, nealy injuring him, then actuallt hit him and ran from the scene. The men simply wanted to make a police report and had no idea she would come.out waiving a gun around and pointing it at them..
Bullsh*t - "A motorcyclist is so much more vulnerable on the road than a driver in a large motor vehicle. A motor vehicle is a lethal weapon against a motorcyclist" is the only thing you said that's true. The rest of it you just made up in your own head.
When I lived just west of Houston I had 6 at least instances of near death experiences with people who were clearly unhinged. Several times I was followed home from the grocery store. I avoided any problems by driving around until the people following gave up a drive in a different direction. One time I didn’t have the time for a game of cat and mouse so I asked my husband to step outside with his 357. It was down by his side and slightly concealed but he is a big man. They quickly turned around. A couple of times I made a simple driving mistake but boy were those people pissed. The worst one was when I pulled onto the highway and a beta boi in pos sedan swerved dramatically into me, 3x’s. I did not have time to call 911. Luckily I was not driving a shitty little car and was able to accelerate away. But, it was very frightening.
she's an idiot. Darwinism at its finest, she LEFT HER HOUSE?! Any time you do that you're giving up all defense when you do that. You're the aggressor, and she hit and ran; it's normal for someone to chase and get their info
He should not have followed her home. She should have waited for the police but she might have been frightened. This was a case of road rage gone wrong- he kicked her car after she hit him. This happened in the city I live in and it was horrifying. I get why he was frightened by this woman when she pulled the gun but the whole thing could have been avoided if he just took her plate number.
@@augustek5382. I doubt if any of the bikers had a pen and paper handy to write down a tag number. Following her until she stopped, to direct the police there, was what anyone else would do.
She hit the guy and ran away, why wouldn’t he follow her? He needs her information. Instead she comes out with a gun to shoot the guy. wtf was he supposed to do? Take a bullet to be politically correct after the women showed no remorse for hitting him the first place ? You ppl are all whack
One thing i disagree with is that she was afraid. She went outside although with a firearem by her self instead of staying inside and waiting for the police.
Sounds like sarah escalated at every possible situation. she even escalated to deadly force. they werent trying to enter the residence he was just following a hit and run driver which is totally legal. people drive aggressively towards motorcyclist on a regular basis. you will die on a bike if you get hit by a car. sounds like the law got it right. your analysis is quite a bit off.Sarah is much more to blame for these events than Andrew. Sarah chose to exit her house and escalate to deadly force. she also took every opportunity to escalate and was the initial aggressor. a fearful person would not act so aggressively and hostile. of course andrew wanted to confront sarah, she hit him with her vehicle and didnt stop. the entire situation was guided by sarah and ultimately led to her death.
What the hell did she step out for AFTER having called the police!? I'm sorry she passed, but also, that was dumb. Her second dumb decision after driving back home while being aware of being followed....i mean! 🤔🙄🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🙇🏽♂️
Where things went wrong was where she hit him on purpose he followed her home so she didnt get away and they called the police one guy was on the phone with police also moral of the story dont swerve and hit a motorcycle and then leave she played a dumb game and won a dumb prize
I'm coming from the point of view of a life-long motorcyclist. Andrew may not have reacted to the previous 10 people who cut him off in traffic, and Sarah cutting him off may have been the last straw. Did he pursue her, or follow her? There's a difference. And he may have wanted to hang onto the two witnesses. Without their eyewitness testimony, it's a he said, she said situation. While I normally agree with Todd's analysis, in this case, I think considerable nuance was missed. Many of us have given up riding in traffic as driver distraction and aggression has increased over the years. The situation is still tragic, and both parties bear some responsibility, but Sarah would be alive if she had remained in her house and waited for the police.
Half way in this video and I feel this guy is not biased at all, a perfect 90-10 the librarian saints way. This doctor and his analysis is joke, if anything-she is 90% the cause of her own demise. Her actions does not reflect the actions of a 5 month prenant librarian let alone a normal, logicall pregnant woman would. The BABY, her BABY would have been a true mothers priority over her own life or ego. A tragedy that she lost her life, but without my doctorate, in my opinion she is 90% responsible for this whole incident that led to her demise. Also, the fact that her 5 month pregnancy can not be proven by autopsy=miracle? He states that she feel she is in danger that's why she swerve and hit the motorcyle rider, sounds like "bullshytitis" to me. But hey, I'm not a doctor and believe all women-what do i know.
Great breakdown of all of the emotions that led to this horrible outcome . I feel sorry for pple who lack impulse control , it is DIFFICULT to achieve and so worth it in cases like these …our society would be so much better if all of us knew how to take a deep breath first before action.
This is terrible. I don’t even make eye contact anymore. It seems like everyone in Florida has a gun now. Those other people should’ve minded their own business and no one should have died over this. Very sad people act this way.
If you’ve ever watched road rage videos on RUclips, it’s WILD how many people will stop their cars in the middle of a busy road and get out and start trying to fight someone 😮 it is insane and ridiculous and to imagine lots of these people surely have guns and can’t even handle their rage during a simple drive - it’s truly scary. People make mistakes when driving, we all do it. Some more than others. You just gotta let it go. And if someone hits you you stop and you call the police. She probably kept driving bc she was scared. She shouldn’t have driven home tho. If you think someone is following you and you’re scared, don’t go home. Don’t get your gun unless someone is about to actually kill you. This guy could have hit her daughter. This is insane. I used to live in volusia county in FL - it’s not the safest and calmest place. These things don’t surprise me. Both were at fault here. Why drive after her - just get her license plate! wtf.
Sorry Dr. this I have a different opinion. Maybe he should’ve waited for her to explain her position while she had a gun drawn in his face. But then I think this would be a homicide video rather than a self-defense video
I rode a motorcycle for years and understand the 'heart in my throat' fearful reaction to some idiot driver trying to hit me or move me off the road. It's much more heightened than driving a car. The one thing Dr. G mentioned here is that Andrew remained out on the public street whilst at Sara's home. I think this is also key why no charges were made against him.
The motorbike collision, who yelled at who, who felt scared is totally irrelevant in this case. It all comes down to Sarah's decision to use a gun as a prop. Guns should never be pointed at someone just to scare them or make a point. In doing so you've just threatened a person's life and they have every right to pre-emptively shoot you first. Andrew had a concealed carry permit which indicates he had an excellent understanding and respect for his weapon and its capabilities. Sarah calling her mother so she could have her finances firearm ready to level threats suggests Sarah's maturity and familiarity towards guns was lacking.
WRONG she was clearly acting out of shame not fear If she was acting out of fear she would never have exited her home (safety) If she wasn't acting out of shame she would have pulled over. It was day time and there are plenty of public areas with video cameras to pull over >BUT THREE ANGRY MEN WERE CHASING HER Have you never seen a car accident before? Almost everyone who was present when it happens pulls over and the man was angry BECAUSE SHE TRIED TO HIT HIM. Why did she walk outside with a gun? Because she knows she committed a crime and was trying to make them leave so she wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of her crimes period. Please explain to me why else this woman fearing for her life would leave a place where she was completely safe and go towards 3 angry men???
Ok. So what im hearing: The woman intentionally collided with a motorcyclist. The motorcyclists were the ones who called 911. The motorcyclists never stepped on her property. She then exited her home to draw a firearm on appearantly unarmed people while they were on the phone reporting her to police instead of calling 911 herself. The woman escalated this incident far beyond what it needed to be.
I don't know why the men followed her because they were looking for trouble someone could have got her license plate number not following her to her house
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Escapes charges? I mean, you just got hit, and the two witnesses followed the assailant to the point where they stoped… had she just stop after the incident, she could have gotten a ticket and life moved on…but no she fled, went home, went inside her home THEN CAME BACK OUT WITH A GUN…. Stay inside, call the cops and make sure they don’t come to you. She had a gun, she could have stayed inside…
When it came to her losing her life… it’s not great… but to insinuate he needed to sympathize with her being a woman… that’s insane… why would anyone need to sympathize with her…
NEVER go home when you are being followed. Drive straight to a police station. Otherwise you are leading people directly to where you live. And even if they don't do anything at that time...they can always sneak in later while you're sound asleep.
🇦🇺 yes I always warned my children about this exact thing, told them go to a cop shop
Never go home
Never go to work
Go to cop shop
Or go and hide.
Never cut and bump other drivers if you don't want to be followed. Anyway she should have gone to the police station to get herself arrested.
@@Accuface2000- Don't get me wrong, she is not innocent in this. But I'm just saying, in general, it's not a good idea to lead people to your home. I've been followed before and it's very scary.
She didn’t go to the police station because she was in the wrong. She went home where she knew she had a gun & decided to escalate the situation instead.
She called the police, why didn’t she wait for them?!?
A gun is NOT a tool for intimidation! You only point a gun if you’re intent on IMMEDIATELY using it due to a threat to your life!
Exactly!!
You point a gun when you are threatened by two armed motorcyclist and a trucker who followed you home and are confronting you in the driveway. The motorcyclist was at fault and should have been put in jail.
@@rocroc come one now she hit them first. That’s what happens when you’re out of control and have a mom that didn’t tell her to think rationally.
@@rocroc lmfao, they're following her because she fled the scene of an accident. It doesn't matter if it's minor. All of this stuff about them threatening her you invented. 2:52 They told her exactly why they were following her. They were asking her to wait for the police to come.
@@rocroc Yeah, I'm just not going to read all of that, sorry. You keep saying things like "armed" as though she could possibly have known this. When you collide with another vehicle, you stop and exchange information and call the cops. End of story.
Karen almost killed a motorcyclist - TWICE - and was so afraid that she fled the scene of a hit-and-run accident to go home, calling ahead for her mom to get a gun, then she grabbed the gun, went from the safety of her home to confront the men at the road, pointed the gun at him . . . And Found Out.
Her name is Sarah….
The level of rage which lives within the souls of some in the USA is a sad indicator that many human beings are easily triggered and basically unhinged and ready to pounce at the least provocation. The inability to accept responsibility and to apologize is at the crux of so many assaults and murders. The need for emotional intelligence and de escalation education is needed all around.
It's happening more and more now thanks to platform like TikTok. Everyone wants to feel like a victim or oppressed, they're taught to be angry, and will rage at just about anything. So many fights at McDonalds over cold fries, I kid you not.
BPD -RAGE 😔
It's not only in the United States, silly. It's the human condition
It's true, when feminism took hold, the little lost girl syndrome went berzerk (Spirit of Jezebel) and look at the wasteland of destroyed marriages , rotten children, and useless emotional reactions that only cause harm , and she provoked her own death in this routine due to her own desire to run down a stranger with her vehicle. Cute ! THe irony is her assault on a stranger, caused her own death. That rage in her little blackened heart manifested that day.
My adult children have professional careers and spouses but they have chosen not to have children because of the level of self-sacrifice they would have to make in order to raise them properly with good cognitive-emotional balance in mental/physical health and well-being, which takes tons of face-to-face interaction in the child-parental unit relationship. It does not take long in looking at the statistics to see that parents who are in an arrested state of development themselves model childish immature behavior to future generations. I literally cringe whenever spoiled rotten children with thin skins and no coping skills become frustrated adults and have other spoiled rotten children with frustrations of their own. In my opinion this is how entitled "Karens" and "Kens" are raised. Other people have difficulty dealing with them and holding them accountable. Karens/Kens are adept at turning tables to make themselves out to be the perpetually vulnerable-grandiose narcissistic victims in never-ending complaints. By accommodating her daughter's wishes, Sara's own biological mother aided and abetted poor decision-making that led to her daughter's self-destruction.
She should have kept her butt inside and waited for police instead of waving a gun around.
If he was a BM he would have been charged with m which he should have been charged with
@@natelove187found the racist
@@hunterrokop trash 🗑️ u r
It was her property and she had every right to defend herself when someone followed her home
@@Emma_esthetician but he wasn’t on her property…
1. With a helmet on and while riding a motorcycle you need to yell to convey a message. You DO need to "yell aggressively" and you DO need to make a driver aware that they could have killed someone
2. A "minor fender bender" on a motorcycle could be fatal. There aren't minor fender benders on a motorcycle. Farings are expensive to replace and paint. More than repairing a small dent on a car.
3. Of course they had to follow her, it's physically not possible to write down a plate number while riding a motorcycle.
Those were some extremely ignorant comments that obviously came from someone who's never been near a motorcycle.
For what it's worth, were I pregnant, I would not be leaving my house to confront people who have followed me home. I'm keeping my baby-carrying self inside away from windows.
She wasn’t pregnant. That was a lie the mother made up to gain sympathy for her daughter who was the perpetrator. Autopsy & medical examiners after the death said there was no indication of pregnancy.
Agreed. The hospital tests could not determine pregnancy, so she likely was not, or had recently experienced menstruation or miscarriage.
Yeah agreed it's ridiculous she didn't care at all about her unborn child
@@adrialee8149 or she was not, in fact, pregnant, is my thought. When I was, something like that was automatic. Like an additional instinct.
Like many of us, you probably wouldn’t even be in a road rage altercation to begin with & you sure the heck wouldn’t lead the pissed off people you’re having an altercation with right to your home, *ESPECIALLY* not if you really are pregnant.
Dr Grande is missing a main point here Sara was using a deadly weapon from the very get-go of the situation. Confronting an motorcyclist with an automobile it's like confronting a unarmed man with machine gun. Car against motorcycle is always a use of a deadly force and apparently Dr Grande is not aware of it. When a car driver deliberately collides with a motorcyclist it should be always considered as attempted murder by simple laws of physics. Dr Grande judging this traffic accident as minor just by the results of it is example of his serious lack of his insight in this case. This entitled woman had disregard for human life , long before she pulled out the gun.
Those are the facts besides the fact that the motorcyclist was dangerous, and angry .
Also I heard the autopsy report said she was not pregnant despite her mother was claiming
Does anyone here ride a motorcycle? It is terrifying to be cut off, let alone hit by a car which outweighs the bike by thousands of pounds. I can understand why he became very angry, and then she did not even stop to exchange information. What happened was horrible, but she was safe in her home, and chose to be the aggressor and run outside with a gun. Why didn't she wait for police?
Because she wants to show them 3 men she's a Wonder woman with super power that's why...
It’s baffling that she went outside after she came home. Sounds like she was far more angry than frightened
I was wondering the same thing. Had she waited inside for the police to arrive, she would be alive today. Very sad situation.
her hitting his motorcycle with her car is attempted murder.
Do you think few men following her home is normal when they already have her information? They both were complete idiots.
This story is the perfect example of why people say- assume everyone in the USA is armed and ready to snap.
@user-ho2mj5wo7jthis is true for older ppl. Not younger like teen and 20’s. Most not all, just want power n control. They think it makes them powerful but a lot of times, lands them in jail or prison. They let the power go to their head. Some are taught correctly and know when to use it. My son will be 14 when he gets his black belt in both Karate n Taekwondo. He can really harm someone, break a rib with one kick, disarm a person with a weapon, and much more but if taught restraint n not to go beyond what is needed to defend. Not keep harming if the person has stopped or retreating.
@user-ho2mj5wo7j in the US the fear of others snapping have lead to everybody going around with an handgun in their pocket so now each time somebody snaps innocent people risk their lives for the most futile reasons.
I mean, being scared and getting hungry are very common human emotions and both can lead an otherwise reasonable person to become irrational and aggressive. So the worst thing to do is allowing common people to bear arms in the street.
The main problem in this case is not fear or anger. The laws about firearms you have in the US are the main factor I consider responsible for this killing.
@@laural3738 Our Gun Laws are responsible?😂 Would you say the same thing if he had used a bow and arrow or a sling and a stone?🤔
@@simhess9720 🤣 have you ever seen anyone driving a motocycle with his bow and quiver slung over his back.
Yes I consider US gun laws responsible for this killing.
@user-ho2mj5wo7j I don't think Americans are more violent than people in other countries. I'm just saying that with a more restrictive legislation about firearms this wouldn't have ended up in a tragedy like it did. They both wouldn't have had a firearm in the first place and they would not have remotely thought of resolving the issue with weapons.
To be honest I think if we had similar laws in Italy where I live the situation would be far worse than in the US 😂
She fucked around and found out, End of story, She was not in any danger at all.
This.
So she committed a hit and run and then pointed the gun at him, sounds like self defense to me.
Everyone's going out of the way to defend her because they want to be a white knight. She was clearly the aggressor and broke multiple laws including fleeing the scene of an accident after assaulting Andrew with her vehicle as a weapon.
Me too. I remember this story. She was the aggressor the whole time.
@@rocroc She was the one doing the confronting! She swerved at him to block him from passing. He got angry and started cursing her out and she then swerved again and this time hit him. How is it that you don't see that she was the aggressor? Then coming out and pointing a gun at the enraged dude she wronged.
@@GrzegorzDurda- that's not what the video reports.
@@rocroc From your picture it's obvious you are not a rational person and most likely a leftard. You are in your house and have already called the police and the bikers are at the end of your driveway also calling the cops. So this "terrified" lady decides to leave the safety of her home with a gun to confront these guys. Classic unhinged woman.
Medical professionals were unable to verify if she was pregnant? WHAT?
Yeah, that confuses me.
I heard that she was.
She wasn’t.. trying to make her seem more of a victim.. she was full of shit lmao
I guess that's meant as a negative, as in, they were unable to find evidence that she was pregnant, or maybe they didn't check. Maybe the question only arose later when other people were interviewed.
It was said that she was 5 months pregnant. Even if she wasn't pregnant, it would have been stated as such. It would say inconclusive. It's either you are or you're not.
Going back outside was a ridiculous move i have to say.
With a gun!!!! Not just outside, but outside and across yard to confront witnesses sitting on roadside!
And her mother did NOT discourage her whatsoever, fetching the gun.... poor 11 year old girl, will be raised by woman (grandmother) teaching her up is down and left is right. I hope history doesn't repeat itself in 10 years. Maybe mom( grandma) has stopped talking nonsense and told granddaughter that "her mommy made a mistake and she should not take the law into her own hands, to always WAIT for police."
@@privatename2648she had every right to defend herself on her own property the biker should have been arrested
@@Emma_esthetician that's it, twist the situation to suit yourself. Just ignore what took place from beginning to end and pick out one speck within the whole situation to justify your belief.
@@Emma_esthetician they never entered her property and they never threatened her. She went outside her property and threatened them with a gun. She was shot in self defence
Kyle Carruth???
She instigated her own demise. If you don't plan on a serious confrontation. Don't pull a gun . She could have stayed inside until police arrived.
First of all, they should have never followed her home.
@@augustek5382they probably wanted some justice. That's all. They did not threaten as far as we know.
@@augustek5382so 3 men follow you home and stand across the street, and you think the best course of action is to grab a gun and go outside to confront them?
@@augustek5382first of all.. she tried to kill him by running him off the road.. you and dr grande try to sugar coat it but no she tried to kill him it’s no wonder he was so pissed and why 2 other random people had to involve themselves and follow her to.. him saying” don’t they have better things to do with their time “is so fucking gaslighting is not even funny. She was 100% wrong and I know that dude sleep well at night
@@augustek5382I believe you are missing the point. They shouldn’t have followed her but they did. They didn’t go on the property. She goes inside, retrieves a gun then comes out aggressively. What a dummy
Her Car was a Weapon also
I was once driving on the freeway after dark (though not late in the evening) when another driver honked at me - I wasn’t clear why they had done so. When I exited the freeway I realized the car was following me. This was pre-cellphones, I (a woman of 30) was all alone and I was very frightened. The car followed me for several miles. It didn’t occur to me to drive to a police station, but I did pull in at a popular restaurant that was well-lit and had quite a few people out front. The car parked near me and a woman got out and approached. She explained that she had followed me in order to apologize for honking at me. 😳 I was too stunned to tell her how frightened I had been, but mumbled an acknowledgment and she drove off. She was obviously a sweet lady, but her actions in this instance were idiotic and dangerous! I hope she never did it again. 🙄
Oh my God LOL
That's crazy.
that lady is too nice for her own good😂, ain’t even that deep after the first mile 😂😂.
Motorcyclists will often help each other out because they all tend to have experiences with cyclist blind drivers and understand the vulnerability. I can also absolutely understand why she wouldn’t pull over to face 3 strangers men on motorcycles. But I dont understand why she exited her home, a safe space where she could call the cops and wait, just to point her gun at the men who waited on the street. That was the defining point of no return. Nothing was ideal here, but that was the tipping point.
1. A car commits a hit and run on a MOTORCYCLIST. Not another car-but a person who is EXTREMELY vulnerable-regardless of being ‘yelled at.’ People get angry EVERY DAY about getting cut off. I’d be pissed too-in my car.
2) She was NOT threatened just because three people are asking her to take responsibility for what she did. She could have called 911 instead of her mom.
3) They waited outside and SHE confronted them. It wasn’t even like they were at her doorstep.
4) She uses a gun to threaten them (KEEP IN MIND-SHE COULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE MULTIPLE TIMES BY NOW).
But, she decides to threaten people with a gun after committing a hit and run (whether in self-defense or not), just because someone was angry that she cut them off. It’s a MOTORCYCLIST. A tiny bump could have killed him. I’d be pissed if someone else nearly killed me adrenaline probably hit that man instantly in that situation.
Like, i’m sorry, but this woman doesn’t deserve sympathy. Her actions weren’t just irresponsible, but reckless and could have resulted in the death of the motorcyclist (by hitting him and threatening him with a gun).
OH, also, watching many accident videos involving motorcyclists and observing how random motorcyclists tend to ride together (first hand observation and speaking to friends who ride motorcycles)-they simply have a weird culture of standing up for each other and sharing their uniform love of bikes.
FYI: I greatly disliked motorcycles until I started acknowledging a moment like this. ALSO, when in traffic (here in California where lane splitting is legal), it pisses me off that they lane split, but the can-it’s the law. So, with that said, it’s even regular for cars to move slightly over in the lane (when in very slow traffic). Some people, I assume, do it to protect their cars. Others, probably do it for the safety or for courtesy to the bikers. I prioritize their safety, but protect our vehicles is cool too so that’s a bonus.
TLDNR
The rare intelligent Californian
One of the reasons it is legal for motorcycles to split lanes is because their air cooled engines can overheat in heavy traffic. People who drive cars may not be aware of this but a motorcycle engine can overheat and become damaged in heavy traffic with insufficient air flow to cool the engine.
@carguy3028 Most people today can't drive what used to be called a standard transmission. They have no clue about aircooled engines
@@Re1ardedHoon I know that which is why I commented. The person was saying motorcycles can split lanes and the way they said it implied that they don’t understand why that would be legal. Those of us who know should educate those who don’t, it’s not their fault they were never exposed to it. Knowing this will also decrease anger towards motorcyclists who split lanes and maybe reduce road rage incidents.
He went to pass she played road police and cut him off>>Thats attempted vehicular manslaughter to a motorcycle. He curses her out and she once again swerves and this time hits him. Attempt on his life # 2. He followed her home to get her info and she stormed him with a gun. Hot headed Latina.
She did that to herself.
She intentionally hit him with her car .. and ran off of course they followed her. The 3 guys were literally waiting on the cops to deal with that. Whatever expletives or anything shouted doesn’t matter at that point. She literally sped up- hit him and ran off. . I’m telling you right now I would do the same. Not just for insurance reasons but because SOMEONE LITERALLY HIT YOU ON PURPOSE WITH THEIR CAR WHILE YOU ARE ON A MOTORCYCLE!!
That’s damn near attempted murder if not at least aggravated assault.
@Thanx4playing666 Dr Cuck has never rode a motorcycle in his life... way to scary for him.
As a long time motorcyclist myself, I can guarantee you that if someone purposefully impedes another motorcycle and then commits vehicular assault on that bike... not only are immediate tensions going to be high but the motivation to ensure that law enforcement become involved are paramount.
Should this involve following them to their home? Hard to say... but certainly had I witnessed such a thing I would have followed the car to see where they stopped next. I would not have approached but would certainly have called 911 at my first opportunity to get the police involved.
Where this all goes pear shaped for the gal is that she had no business coming out of her home with a handgun if she was no longer under any threat.
This looks like a dominance thing on her part... from the very beginning. I've seen my share of automobile drivers getting pissed off because a motorcycle could do something they could not. File that under the category "Crazy but true".
Big facts, well said and 100% agree. I ride and carry a firearm... I am my own first-line of defense.
Sarah exited her house with her gun as a matter of pride.
A scared or threatened person would not do this.
She felt these men had got one over on her, that she had lost the battle. These 3 men had formed an allegiance, and Sarah felt insulted. There was no escaping the fact that the confrontation on the road was going to cost her money, and perhaps a caution or charge.
So, she took her gun outside to reclaim some of her power.
Stupidly, she pointed a gun without the intent to kill.
Never point a gun at anyone unless you intend to shoot them dead.
She lost her life due to pride.
Best comment. It was all pride and indeed she felt insulted by the allegiance. Sadly she lashed out, like these types of people do whenever they feel like they're "losing"
*Karen
Sad story. People need to control themselves on the road.
Thanks!
From what I’m hearing, Andrew didn’t “pursue” Sarah, he followed her. After an accident, exchanging drivers information is required, and reasonable. Expecting a motorcyclist to try to remember a tag number to give to the police and simply pull over there and wait, while the hit and run driver leaves the scene is not reasonable. I can’t imagine any driver of a car or motorcycle doing that. Once Sarah got to her house, the trio waited on the roadside for the police to arrive. No violence occurred until Sarah came out of her house brandishing a hand gun and pointing it at Andrew.
100% justified... FAFO.
"A little frustration tolerance can go a long way!" Wise words for the whole world! 🌎
I believe the good doctor and the majority of people are missing the point you accidentally cut off a motorcycle with your car. The motorcyclist gets pissed and flips you off. Your response is to ram the motorcycle with your vehicle that’s assault with the deadly weapon then you refuse to stop to exchange information you go home they follow you home, you go inside instead of calling the cops and waiting for them to show up you come outside with a gun who was truly the aggressor in this case
They both were reckless and honestly stupid and immature. They both escalated everything way out of proportion and between them and their bad choices, once she drew a gun it justified Andrew to shoot her. I don’t like the situation, he seemed out to start some dangerous situation but he was justified. It’s sad she lost her life but she also made very poor choices. Two ignorant and emotionally immature people combined for a horrible situation that costed one of their lives. This just shows how many people are emotionally unstable and it’s major problem.
Well thanks, that leaves nothing for me to post :)
Unfortunately, every word you said was right. But why did 2 men not related to either follow her home?
Bullies...if it was a huge guy in that car, would they have done the same?
I dunno.
What a disaster.
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@@markmike7933Possibly as witnesses . They apparently saw the situation from the begining.
It seems that every time I go to the city I encounter at least one Road Ranger
It seems that Andrew may have been the one who started it from the beginning, her cutting him off could have been accidental, and I know motorcyclists are very sensitive about those things. I could see her fleeing in fear, but on the other hand if she was fear motivated she wouldn't have confronted him outside even with a handgun. it's impossible to know what her frame of mind was, but she's probably crazy just like most people these days.
If someone on a road rage is following you. Don’t go home. A police station is a better choice. Or a bank. Lots of cameras.
No, just a police station because you put the other places at risk.
A “little frustration tolerance” can go a long way to avoid dangerous situations. Well said Dr Grande! ☝️😎
She should've stopped and waited for the cops, or if scared, drive to a police station. She should NOT have gone home and came out of her house with a gun. Especially if she had called the cops.
Great explanation about the responsibility of the CCW holder.
It was 100% her fault. They sat at the edge of the curb waiting for the police for the hit & run. Calling her mom “to get the gun” says it all. She wanted to Win. She should’ve had her mother call the police not get a gun and certainly not go out and confront the men waiting for the police. Just my opinion.
Why did these jerks even go to her house in the first place? If Sarah was on her property, she was in her rights to get her gun.
Both sides made reckless and poor choices.
The guys wanted to win, too.
In some states, to display your weapon outside of your home, the way she did is considered menacing. All the librarians I know would have avoided the drama, and at least would have remained locked in the house until police arrived; "the best way to get out of trouble is to stay out of trouble" - Sigmund Froid
It depends on where the library is located. I worked at one in a city where there were a couple homeless shelters close by and the people living there tended to go to the library on a daily basis. Aggressive people were not uncommon. Drug use was prominent there as well. So librarians and library workers are not all passive type people. Active shooter training was a thing the staff went through at that library, just to give you an idea that not all libraries are the same...
Yes, to your point, many librarians in Florida are trained to use narcan because of the significant number of overdoses that happen as vagrants and the un-housed use library bathrooms and facilities for drug use. (I live just one county south of where this happened). I'm too lazy to research whether this is true at the specific libraries she worked at, and this doesn't excuse her actions or the outcome, but Dr. Grande's comment about what she has to put up with as a librarian definitely seems to be an assumption based on the traditional role of a librarian.
@@joiathegreat In Spokane County, WA the public library system has changed dramatically since I was a child. Homelessness is a major problem here. At the height of the Covid-19 pandemic, the downtown library became a temporary homeless shelter. In partnership with Eastern Washington University, the local library system provides patrons and community members with access to a trained team of student interns, which provides social services support in locating resources for housing, healthcare, employment, mental health, and more. While not directly offering such services, it is a connection hub for local resources. Currently, through similar public-private partnerships, charitable businesses offer one free midday meal at all Spokane Public Library branch locations at which their have been several stabbings.
Trust me when I say that the Deland Public Library is not a rough place. Lol. I do agree that some libraries in big cities can have a mixed crowd , but we are a relatively small town. This incident was somewhat of a shock.
A women, librarian against 3 men - shitty situation.
Ditto. I've worked for law enforcement and in public library systems in the city and both have inherent risks based on working with the public. People are unpredictable.
Dr. grande I always love your input but as a person who has owned motorcycles, it’s a little different from getting cut off in a car ! With the motorcycle, it’s you and the concrete and the slightest cut off could cause a disaster ! Not passing judgment here either way ! I don’t know what happened there I wasn’t there. I just know that it is very scary when someone cut you off especially on the highway.
@Big_Mike_In_TN yeah the fact that she made contact and he was able to keep from going down is a testament to his ability on a motorcycle ! People in the car need to pay more attention, and understand we don’t have any protection from the concrete
Dr. Grande, I absolutely ADORE your "cacti collection" on display in your background! Its increasing members always brings a smile to my face! 😊
I have some questions about them. Perhaps that is unfair.
She came back.outside with a gun . ITS DEF HER FAULT
Hello Dr. Grande. I think all involved in this case did not think clearly and did not consider the consequences of their actions. Thank you for your analysis always. 😇❤from Jean.
Really? You cut someone and bump their motorcycle, then drive away? When told to stop and wait for the police, she drives home to get a gun. If that's not nuts, I don't know what it is. Sarah was the wrong one. If she was black, you wouldn't be defending her.
@@Accuface2000she only got a gun because she was followed. You're NEVER supposed to follow someone home after a accident. You're supposed to stay where it occurred and talk to police. She would have gotten in more trouble for fleeing an accident. This guy was in the wrong as well.
"When someone has a permit to carry a concealed deadly weapon and is actively carrying a gun, it is their moral responsibility to be the nicest person on the road, or wherever they happen to be." Love the way you put this, completely agree.
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@@UnrulyRiderYou need to be on a watchlist bud
@@reallyidc8275 I'm sure I am on more than a few. Doesn't bother me in the slightest pal, nor does any of that prevent access to my constitutionally protected rights and freedoms. The more your know...
Garbage.
This is a clickbait, disingenuous title. She had already perpetrated a hit and run on the motorcyclist, then came out with gun in hand.
Dr. Grande is missing a lot of common cultural issues. police are WORTHLESS in something like this if it's not resolved right then. They wouldn't follow up. He had the person's location, and witnesses present. How would he know that's her home? You complete the reporting process. This woman thought she was a girl boss, but ran across a guy who didn't play. That was her fatal miscalculation.
There was nothing wrong with following her home and keeping distance out in the street to wait for police. Just because you have a license plate number, doesn’t mean that you’ve identified the offender. The plates could be for another vehicle, or the vehicle involved in the collision could be stolen.
Nonsense, blatant intimidation. Granted Sarah did herself no favours
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@@UnrulyRider up yours little loon
@@jasperpike242 Disagree. You don't know if the intent was intimidation. It could just be that tensions were high and they wanted to get the cops to her house and deal with it there. Both parties were in the wrong but her bad decision making was exponentially higher. She could have stayed locked in her house and waited for police to arrive.
Never underestimate the aggression of librarians.
IKR, If you value your life, never make loud noises in a library.
Seething madness just beneath the surface.
FOR REAL!!
Wow. Today it would be better to record constantly while on the road, and certainly take pictures of the license plates. Unfortunately, she walked outside and pointed a loaded weapon at someone. If she had simply stayed inside and defended herself she would have been ok.
But then they record themselves incriminating themselves by recklessly chasing and trying to run that person off the road. How's that not illegal cuz it's practically attempted murder!
If those men had not accompanied Andrew, it would have been a lot less confrontational. Why did they feel that they had to do this? I am sure Andrew could have handled it by himself. I think those men contributed to the outcome of this case. Bad all around.
@@Neilsowards yeah, that was a bit much. It was a strange case
Defend herself against what. No one was doing anything to her 😂
@@factsondeck1552You can't just follow someone with a few other guys to someone's house. 3 people agaisnt 1
She committed a crime (hit and run), then gets made and tells the victim and witnesses off or whatever curse words she used, THEN pulls a gun and points it at someone? Sorry but she sounded entitled, reckless and dangerous.
She shit first after trying to ram him off the road.
Change your headline
Yea they didn't storm her house did they. They waited outside for the police to arrive. One of them was on the phone with the police. She could have waited for the police to arrive too. Both parties KNOWS the police were arriving. She had to go back outside waiving a gun around, pointing it at them. You don't point your gun unless you're about to fire. If she was gun trained, she would have known.
Keep calm
And
Drive on
6,084 motorcyclists died in crashes in the US in 2021. Many more were injured, with some paralyzed for life. Many of these crashes involved cars or trucks. It is notorious how many drivers seem oblivious to where motorcycles are, and often cut them off. My point here is that an aggressive driver in a car presents a clear and present danger to a more vulnerable motorcyclist. I cannot fault this man for reacting to a life-threatening situation, first with the car (which legally is classified as a "deadly weapon") and then with the gun. Dr. Grande, please do not trivialize this accident. Although the damage was minor and the bike did not go down, it so easily could have been catastrophic. As I see it, Sara was the principle aggressor, and she was guilty of a hit-and-run, as well as threatening with a gun. It's a pity that she died, but she brought it upon herself with her actions.
never drive home if you think you're being followed, now they know where you live and can come back at anytime when you don't expect them
call the police and drive to the police station or meet them somewhere
I suspect she didn't do that because she felt that she was at least partially in the wrong.
as for following a criminal, maybe if there was some real justice in the world people would trust the police to do a proper investigation and hold people accountable. i think if they just took down the information the police would have ignored it, hoping the problem would go away, while they finish another box of donuts
YES 💯
I get out of the way sometimes, and people love to fly past me.
So she started this via a Hit & Run then was surprised at the results of pulling a gun on them... FAFO
Terribly sad for all involved .
Apparently the thing about road rage is that we don’t recognize the person in the other vehicle as a human being. We just perceive bad driving and we feel targeted and defensive. So we over react and treat the threat with less humanity. My father in law was shot in the neck during a road rage incident when they both pulled off to the side of the road with the intention to fight it out (they were yelling at each other through their open windows). It’s not worth it ppl.
Yes! I've long believed that driving brings out the antisocial in us, as the other cars appear primarily to be obstacles- objects- sometimes causing us to forget the people inside them.
Well, tbh that's kinda scary that we don't apparently recognise other vehicles as people too.
77pp⁶⁷and oooooooooooooo
Yeah dumb b itch should have gotten her attitude in check , she literally killed herself that day.
Dr. Grande should analyze the 2 female Houston cops who magdumped the woman who broke into her own home.
Sara cut Andrew off, which could have killed him. Sara bumped Andrew’s motorcycle, which could have killed him. Sara then fled the scene, and came outside her house pointing a gun at Andrew with the intent to kill him. This sounds like it was 100% Sara’s fault.
agree completely.
my sense is that she had no sense.
100% agree
If he hadn't been standing in front of her house she wouldn't have come out with a gun. So not 100%.
@@rnash999 No, it’s still 100% her fault. By your logic, a rape victim is partially at fault for their rape because they were where they were when raped.
@@michaelperez9966 Not at all. The police will tell you not to follow a suspect. They called it in, had a description of the car, the license number, the driver and even where she ended up. He should have waited down the road. He absolutely should not have stood in front of her house.
Mother of the year.
I fully agree that having a ccl means a person should do everything possible to avoid a conflict and that the weapon should be a last resort. That said, i carry. I had someone hit my car and run. I followed the lady hone while armed. I didnt confront the person, but meet a cop at another location and he handled getting things sorted out. A few days later my insurance company asked for photos of her car. Her car was parked in a driveway fully visible from the road. I stopped in the road and took a few photos. The husband run out and up to my car while yelling like a nut. I had a 40 cal glock in my lap. I drove off. Both interaction could have gone like this story. Its better to remove yourself than to kill someone. That said, dont point a gun at someone and not expect to get shot at in return.
Obviosly Dr.Grande has never been cut off by irresponsible motorists while driving a motorcycle. The consequences can be deadly. It doesn't sound like this woman took any responsibility or accountability for changing lanes while not looking where she was going. You can't just check your rear-view. You also need to take a quick glance out of the side window, too. I understand the motorcyclist was angry. Sara also was probably angry since she didn't expect him him to be there. But I agree all he needed to do was take note of her license plate number and report the incident. Both of them just needed some time to cool off. The incident wasn't worth chasing her down or pulling guns out over. The anger and pride would have passed, but death is permanent.
Dr, there is no such thing as a "minor collision" on a motorcycle or bicycle.
She made it home safe. She was SAFE inside her home. She introduced a firearm into the situation to intimidate witnesses of a crime. In this SHE GOT SHOT. I'm confused as to how this is even a debate.
You don't get it. He harassed her, threatened her, kicked her car, then followed her home and murdered her. Andrew escalated everything. Sarah is followed home by 3 strangers, she decides to defend herself, and is murdered by Andrew.
Yeah but they followed her to her house and killed her there?
@@LKre-vi5oqHe murdered no one she pulled and raised a gun instead of waiting for police. 100 percent self defense for him to shoot her. You have no right to raise a gun because you were supposedly harassed and she damn well knew she needed to stop for the police after hitting him. She was not scared if she was she would never have came out of her house, she would have waited for police.if she was scared. Attempted murder ramming a vehicle at someone on a motorcycle. Get a clue.
Grande always takes the side of the dumb shit. He takes the side of the poor Pedos too.
@@LKre-vi5oq She left her house WITH A GUN!!! She left a SAFE HOUSE....she could have sat in the living room chair with the gun pointed at the door....that would have done the trick if she thought they were gonna break in.
She could have NOT swerved into him.
She could have stayed home when she got home and waited for the cops.
A disaster all around.
3 bullies and a BAD set of decisions by the woman. She didn't just BRING OUT the gun...she pointed it.
Another excellent analysis - Thanks!
Even the wikipedia article clearly paints the picture that the woman was the instigator and at fault from the first incident to the last. Dumb and dumber.
Who wrote and edited the Wikipedia article?
@@productioninquiries881we can only assume it was your mother
@@productioninquiries881 who wrote and handed the script to Grande? The Wikipedia article is based on court documents (eyewitness accounts, testimony, adn then results) .. , not opinion. I far from trust wikipedia for many things .. but with legal things they have to be air tight. Grande not so much he sways back and forth depending on the situation he's describing. If you look at the History of the wiki edit there are several contributors and editors and you can see all of the revisions and wittling it down to court facts not opinon . I can't post links in youtube you'll have to go look yourself. Do you think she would still be alive if she didn't try to run down a guy on a motorcycle in her SUV?
hitting his motorcycle with her car was attempted murder. period.
I don't agree with you completely on this one. First, him yelling at her and being angry after she cut him off is a reaction many people would have, especially if he avoided collision only by his fast reaction and unsafe maneuver. He probably felt he needed to teach her lesson so she is more careful in the future.
The other two followed her for solidarity which is common among motorcyclists and also they probably felt like injustice has been made. If his cause of anger was unjustified, they probably wouldn't even interfere there. Instead, they wanted to be witnesses.
At the end, if they both hadn't had guns, as in most civilised countries would probably be the case, nothing major would have happened!
America mostly scares the cr€p out of me! Where one misstep can mean the end of your life….wow!
I'm sorry but since when assaulting someone with your car twice and then threatening them with a gun is a "one misstep"?
While on the road I’ve always encountered bad drivers, with some cutting me off, others weaving in and out of lanes,others who seem to be on a racetrack, etc. My reaction to all of this craziness is to take a deep breath and be on the defensive, and that’s exactly what I taught my teen daughter who just got her DL. It’s a crazy world out there, people. Be safe.
I'm mad at you just for not acting like I do sometimes :)
One of those people that know how to stay calm How dare you?!!? :)
I just get angry now and don't do the crazy things I did when I was young.
But I shall take a deep breath next time and try it your way :)
Driving in California most of my life. I learned defensive driving. Was hit twice.
By drunk drivers.
Now i live in an area with nary a traffic light. An ocassional stop sign. A traffic jam is three vehicles going to the post office!
you ride a motorcycle?
@@tessaducek5601 but that also is just the type of area where complacency can get you killed. Even Stalins' former right hand Prince was run over in a town with ONE stop sign.
@@HeronPoint2021 Perhaps. We can be run over in our own front yard. We just don't see erratic drivers except from out of state passing through once in awhile.
Fla has stand yr ground law, & following offenders home is allowed.
A hot head woman found out I guess.
I remember this story and there is a lot to say when someone causes a collision and just thinks they can refuse to accept responsibility for their actions and drive away. You cannot just keep using the "I was afraid" excuse to justify every bad act you choose to do.
Exactly. No one wants to take ownership of their actions. And this is what happens.
While I agree, there was a time a guy backed into me in a parking lot. When I got out to speak to him for insurance (his fault here) he was clearly tweaking and wanted my details and kept asking me to go to 'the pokies' with him. I didn't exchange details and never went back to that gym. Sometimes, you ARE scared. You're on your own, rhey might be overly aggressive, and if I lived in a country where people carry concealed 45s, a gun designed to stop you living, maybe id be too scared to stop right there, even as a responsible person. That said, confronting them while waiting for the cops was insanely reckless and the outcome is not surprising.
@@DontstopbelievingmanNah man, if you lived in a country where everyone is packin', you would be too. No fear necessary
@@Dontstopbelievingman these days I would be scared as well because there are people who hit you on purpose in order to rob you or car Jack you. I would never tell someone to put themselves in harms way when I would not in a similar situation. we still have to size up the situation and make our best effort to do the right thing 👍
^^^^^^ ????
Of course fear is justified. Just because you're also carrying a gun doesn't mean you can't be killed. What a weird kind of logic
A motorcyclist is so much more vulnerable on the road than a driver in a large motor vehicle. A motor vehicle is a lethal weapon against a motorcyclist. Sara cut Andrew off, nealy injuring him, then actuallt hit him and ran from the scene. The men simply wanted to make a police report and had no idea she would come.out waiving a gun around and pointing it at them..
Bullsh*t - "A motorcyclist is so much more vulnerable on the road than a driver in a large motor vehicle. A motor vehicle is a lethal weapon against a motorcyclist" is the only thing you said that's true. The rest of it you just made up in your own head.
If you don't accept the risk of driving a bike do not ride one. You have NO special privileges. BTW i am a long time biker!
When I lived just west of Houston I had 6 at least instances of near death experiences with people who were clearly unhinged. Several times I was followed home from the grocery store. I avoided any problems by driving around until the people following gave up a drive in a different direction. One time I didn’t have the time for a game of cat and mouse so I asked my husband to step outside with his 357. It was down by his side and slightly concealed but he is a big man. They quickly turned around. A couple of times I made a simple driving mistake but boy were those people pissed. The worst one was when I pulled onto the highway and a beta boi in pos sedan swerved dramatically into me, 3x’s. I did not have time to call 911. Luckily I was not driving a shitty little car and was able to accelerate away. But, it was very frightening.
I got your Ip address... Beta Bois inboud
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If somebody is following you, call the police and try to drive to a police station.
@Thanx4playing666 it’s not a crime in Texas, even if many would like you to believe it is.
@Thanx4playing666 thank you for proving my point.
This is a clear cut case of when idiots collide.
she's an idiot. Darwinism at its finest, she LEFT HER HOUSE?! Any time you do that you're giving up all defense when you do that. You're the aggressor, and she hit and ran; it's normal for someone to chase and get their info
He should not have followed her home. She should have waited for the police but she might have been frightened. This was a case of road rage gone wrong- he kicked her car after she hit him. This happened in the city I live in and it was horrifying. I get why he was frightened by this woman when she pulled the gun but the whole thing could have been avoided if he just took her plate number.
I agree. No stranger man should follow a woman to her home. Road range or not, they already had her info.
@@augustek5382. I doubt if any of the bikers had a pen and paper handy to write down a tag number. Following her until she stopped, to direct the police there, was what anyone else would do.
@@MCtravler how hard is it to remember a tag number? Or one of the guys could have taken a picture of it.
@@ciararyan9370 Kind of difficult to pull a phone out of your pocket and take a picture while riding a motorcycle.
@@MCtravler I’m pretty sure at some point she had to stop. Take a picture and drive away.
She hit the guy and ran away, why wouldn’t he follow her? He needs her information. Instead she comes out with a gun to shoot the guy. wtf was he supposed to do? Take a bullet to be politically correct after the women showed no remorse for hitting him the first place ? You ppl are all whack
I was waiting for a Conan the Librarian reference 😂
One thing i disagree with is that she was afraid. She went outside although with a firearem by her self instead of staying inside and waiting for the police.
Sounds like sarah escalated at every possible situation. she even escalated to deadly force. they werent trying to enter the residence he was just following a hit and run driver which is totally legal. people drive aggressively towards motorcyclist on a regular basis. you will die on a bike if you get hit by a car. sounds like the law got it right.
your analysis is quite a bit off.Sarah is much more to blame for these events than Andrew. Sarah chose to exit her house and escalate to deadly force. she also took every opportunity to escalate and was the initial aggressor. a fearful person would not act so aggressively and hostile. of course andrew wanted to confront sarah, she hit him with her vehicle and didnt stop. the entire situation was guided by sarah and ultimately led to her death.
What the hell did she step out for AFTER having called the police!? I'm sorry she passed, but also, that was dumb. Her second dumb decision after driving back home while being aware of being followed....i mean! 🤔🙄🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🙇🏽♂️
Where things went wrong was where she hit him on purpose he followed her home so she didnt get away and they called the police one guy was on the phone with police also moral of the story dont swerve and hit a motorcycle and then leave she played a dumb game and won a dumb prize
I'm coming from the point of view of a life-long motorcyclist. Andrew may not have reacted to the previous 10 people who cut him off in traffic, and Sarah cutting him off may have been the last straw. Did he pursue her, or follow her? There's a difference. And he may have wanted to hang onto the two witnesses. Without their eyewitness testimony, it's a he said, she said situation. While I normally agree with Todd's analysis, in this case, I think considerable nuance was missed. Many of us have given up riding in traffic as driver distraction and aggression has increased over the years. The situation is still tragic, and both parties bear some responsibility, but Sarah would be alive if she had remained in her house and waited for the police.
All she had to do was stay her ass in the house.
Half way in this video and I feel this guy is not biased at all, a perfect 90-10 the librarian saints way. This doctor and his analysis is joke, if anything-she is 90% the cause of her own demise. Her actions does not reflect the actions of a 5 month prenant librarian let alone a normal, logicall pregnant woman would. The BABY, her BABY would have been a true mothers priority over her own life or ego. A tragedy that she lost her life, but without my doctorate, in my opinion she is 90% responsible for this whole incident that led to her demise. Also, the fact that her 5 month pregnancy can not be proven by autopsy=miracle? He states that she feel she is in danger that's why she swerve and hit the motorcyle rider, sounds like "bullshytitis" to me. But hey, I'm not a doctor and believe all women-what do i know.
If he was a BM he would have been charged with m
Great breakdown of all of the emotions that led to this horrible outcome . I feel sorry for pple who lack impulse control , it is DIFFICULT to achieve and so worth it in cases like these …our society would be so much better if all of us knew how to take a deep breath first before action.
This is terrible. I don’t even make eye contact anymore. It seems like everyone in Florida has a gun now. Those other people should’ve minded their own business and no one should have died over this. Very sad people act this way.
Why do women never hold women accountable? She commited multiple crimes... and she should be allowed cause she is a woman?
@@dollarcostbackpacker1226What? Nobody said that
If you’ve ever watched road rage videos on RUclips, it’s WILD how many people will stop their cars in the middle of a busy road and get out and start trying to fight someone 😮 it is insane and ridiculous and to imagine lots of these people surely have guns and can’t even handle their rage during a simple drive - it’s truly scary. People make mistakes when driving, we all do it. Some more than others. You just gotta let it go. And if someone hits you you stop and you call the police. She probably kept driving bc she was scared. She shouldn’t have driven home tho. If you think someone is following you and you’re scared, don’t go home. Don’t get your gun unless someone is about to actually kill you. This guy could have hit her daughter. This is insane.
I used to live in volusia county in FL - it’s not the safest and calmest place. These things don’t surprise me. Both were at fault here. Why drive after her - just get her license plate! wtf.
Sorry Dr. this I have a different opinion. Maybe he should’ve waited for her to explain her position while she had a gun drawn in his face. But then I think this would be a homicide video rather than a self-defense video
I rode a motorcycle for years and understand the 'heart in my throat' fearful reaction to some idiot driver trying to hit me or move me off the road. It's much more heightened than driving a car. The one thing Dr. G mentioned here is that Andrew remained out on the public street whilst at Sara's home. I think this is also key why no charges were made against him.
Yikes.
The motorbike collision, who yelled at who, who felt scared is totally irrelevant in this case. It all comes down to Sarah's decision to use a gun as a prop. Guns should never be pointed at someone just to scare them or make a point. In doing so you've just threatened a person's life and they have every right to pre-emptively shoot you first.
Andrew had a concealed carry permit which indicates he had an excellent understanding and respect for his weapon and its capabilities.
Sarah calling her mother so she could have her finances firearm ready to level threats suggests Sarah's maturity and familiarity towards guns was lacking.
WRONG
she was clearly acting out of shame not fear
If she was acting out of fear she would never have exited her home (safety)
If she wasn't acting out of shame she would have pulled over. It was day time and there are plenty of public areas with video cameras to pull over
>BUT THREE ANGRY MEN WERE CHASING HER
Have you never seen a car accident before? Almost everyone who was present when it happens pulls over and the man was angry BECAUSE SHE TRIED TO HIT HIM.
Why did she walk outside with a gun? Because she knows she committed a crime and was trying to make them leave so she wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of her crimes period.
Please explain to me why else this woman fearing for her life would leave a place where she was completely safe and go towards 3 angry men???
Ok. So what im hearing: The woman intentionally collided with a motorcyclist. The motorcyclists were the ones who called 911. The motorcyclists never stepped on her property. She then exited her home to draw a firearm on appearantly unarmed people while they were on the phone reporting her to police instead of calling 911 herself.
The woman escalated this incident far beyond what it needed to be.
I don't know why the men followed her because they were looking for trouble someone could have got her license plate number not following her to her house
Hi Dr G! 🎄🎄🎄