I hope you never stop doing these Saturday speaker shootouts! My ritual is to brew a fresh cup of coffee and sit down and watch your video every Saturday morning. Also your voice is calming which is nice. It’s my therapy. Oh yeah, the speakers are nice too I guess.
@@cheapaudioman and this type of mentality is why I hit that subscribe button! Love the delivery, the sponsors always make me laugh, and most of all, I connect with the helpful information you're giving about all this equipment I have questions about. Thanks, man!
Best part is the ground loop in the background of the audio .. cheapaudioman, not cheapyoutubecreator 😝 I came for the Klipsch review and I got it! Great video!
The "Tap Test" is indeed valid! My YU6's have always had an upper-mid honkiness (which could be minimised with eq) and just out of curiosity when passing by them the other day I have them a tap. Guess what? Yup, it revealed a resonance right where that "honkiness" was. I deliberated over this for a long time - about 5 minutes. Then I went to my local auto store and bought two car mats (generic thick rubber with a checker-plate pattern) and pulled the speakers apart. Removed the insignificant wadding and then cut and hot-glued rubber panels to the inside surfaces. The tap test proved that the overly live boxes were now significantly deadened. First test was with all eq removed and they're great now!
Just thought of a really good analogy and I had to send it to you. You don't have to swim the deep end to have fun . On the other side of the rope is where everyone is playing. I love the cheap audio dude. Lol✌️
Another Stellar Review ! I have the Klipsch 600’s and absolutely love them. I was fortunate enough to score them for $440.00 and worth every penny I’m really enjoying them 👍🏻
No notes?!? Awesome! Maybe this wasn't your 1st time without them but I just noticed. I'm assuming that means you're just getting better at this RUclips thing, and I love it, glad to keep seeing you progress like a pro, keep it up and thanks again!
Those are in a different league than these lol! Don't ever "upgrade" those. Unless you're going to try and find a pair of RB-75 🤣 NOTHING in bookshelf speakers today, in that class, could ever feel like an upgrade 🤷♂️
@@ricksmith7659 yeah, and momentarily the 600m. It isn't an upgrade....a lateral move at best. Not knocking the speaker at all because it's a wonderful bookshelf. But, not the 3 generations newer "upgrade" I was expecting lol.
You my man are the man! love your gig keep it up and some day I will tell about me sneaking into a Metallica and armored saint when I was around 17ish at a club in Albuquerque... I'm kinda a Forest Gump when it comes to close encounters with Metal bands. Or maybe the time I and my two buddies partied with Deep Purple in their Hotel room again in Albuquerque... I have many stories...
I fall asleep watching your videos, that's a good thing cause I only fall asleep listening to someone who tells interesting stuff and has a calming voice . It's such a shame that here in Greece we have COMPLETELY different prices on most speakers . For example, elac debut 6.2 are 350€ and cambridge audio sx60 are 265€ .
@@garyganser2451 Yes in most cases. If listening on a PC be sure to adjust the "speaker properties" to maximum under the "advanced" tab. If using a USB DAC the adjustment should not be needed, but it doesn't hurt.
Came to the same conclusion when I A/B these speakers for over a week however I I also had the elac b6.2 the same week and I rated svs 1st, elac 2nd and the klipsch 3rd. The elac is half the price
Great video as always Randy, I definitely look forward to these SSSs. One thing not mentioned that might sway a buyer one way or the other (if it’s important to them) is the difference in their efficiency...obviously the RP600M is rated to be more sensitive, but did you notice a big difference? Maybe users of small or inexpensive tube amplifiers will benefit from having that extra efficiency of the Klipsch. Although Klipsch has been known to be a little generous with their rating in that regard. Thanks again Randy.
Bright electronics might smooth out with the SVS, while the Klipsch might pair well with tubes and darker gear. Maybe not. What amp was used - the Emotiv or the trebly one? Both?
@@brandonbrodbeck6688 If it ain't broke...It would be nice, though, to have a loaner collection of gear where you could go, check out an amp or a DAC, what have you, like a library book. Just to see what could be improved.
Thanks I enjoyed the video. I should check out the RP600M. Have been on a search for some good priced speakers. I got the Elac B6.2 Did not like them. Bought a bunch of new components. Still not satisfied. I think that after 40 years of professional drumming and pretty much just listening to large speaker cabs with 18 inch subs and 15 inch woofers and horns , I am so used to a crazy V curve I may have to step up to a horn loaded Klipsch . Like a Forte or something. Although I don't want to pay the price. Well the search continues.
as another reviewer stated, if you’re in a car and wanting to always crank up the treble to 11, get the KLIPSCH I used to ride tons of MI. on two wheels, and even with protection, the noise has def. has a negative impact on my hearing
What you need is a pair of Klipsch Heresy speakers, and a few “tweaks”. They ain’t cheap at $1500 each brand new, but they’ll get you 85% of the way there. They next item in your shopping cart should be an SVS sub, as big as you can afford, that will get you to 95%. For the last 5%, you will have to play around with bi-amping the Heresys. You’ll be mostly happy with that arrangement.
Got my Walnut RP600M at $325 refurbished (but they were in new condition?) and have been very happy with them. Also, the magnetic grills are nice over the snaps.
RP-600m is arguably king of the playground of the bookshelf weight class. In sales its certainly true! Anyways, shootout the JBL's from the other weekend with the RP-600m, that seems like a more appropriate match up. Oh. and My Morning Jakckets "Okonokos" live record is a lovely reference for soundstaging ; )
I’ve commented before on this video, thank you so much for an amazing review, we want more, we want more of the Saturday shoot out whether you do it between headphones speakers and stacks dangle tax receivers you’re just awesome and so entertaining funny like a clown LOL hits the movie? Goodfellas?
Hey Randy have you ever heard or at any rate what is your opinion on the RP-500M? The RP-600M are a bit much for my place and my budget. I came across a supposedly like-new set of RP-500M for $315 and am very tempted...
I dropped my klipsch tower speaker when I was carrying it over my head and it smacked the wall I lost control and it hit the ground hard on some tile I'm surprised the paint or wood didn't chip 0 damage to the speaker I haven't notice a change in sound or anything like that
Hey Chief I think you have a new comparison test to add. Carry each speaker over you head, smash it against a wall and tell us the difference between the two.
Do you "break in/run in" the speakers and amps before doing critical listening? Some people don't believe in this but I've noticed quite a few manufactures mention something in the manual..
Break in is a fools errand. You deliberately put wear on your system to make it "sound right". That's ridiculous. If your system really sounds different after a hundred hours of 'break in' it would fall apart in under 200 hours more. In my years of high end audio equipment usage I came across break in exactly once, ... on over 20 year old loudspeakers, that had rubber surrounds that quite literally desintegrated into little particles.
yes on all accounts. the speakers usually get 2-3 weeks as front channels in my living room system and I don't run a center so they're getting all the info.
My room is 12'6" x 17 with 8" ceilings. My question is which would be better, Prime towers or these bookshelves and a SVS PB-1000 ? My 10 in Klipsch sub at times sounds muddy. So, if I get the bookshelves, a new sub will be needed. Price would be the same for both options, so not a factor. Great vid!
I think you would enjoy the bookshelves with new sub. I prefer towers usually but if its not in your budget or dont want to wait for a new sub then go for the bookshelves and sub.
yes they are but they're not the prettiest and I want to highlight the awesome speakers at different price levels. Also, my favorite doesn't mean it's the right speaker for everyone. The UB52's are my favorite neutral speaker
hey man have you heard the svs prime satellite? In Australia at least the elac b6.2 are the same price as the svs prime satellite and im just wondering if the svs prime bookshelf is 200 aud better than the b6.2 or the svs prime satellite
in Denmark the price range (on the same website) are totally not in the same category... The klipsch is 973,29 USD pair the SVS 259,60 USD pair... Imma get the SVS then if they are so similarily reviewed
I agree. It should be a crime to be so far off with that sensitivity measurement. First time listening was disappointing in that respect but still a really good speaker for the money. If you want sensitive try a Tekton. Not saying they are better but wow are they sensitive.
Yeah. It’s a little idiosyncrasy I have. I occasionally do product training at work and I do that all the time or ask if that makes sense... I’m a bit quirky
Great review Randy, this is what I was waiting for. I heard you say the svs is more lively on the top end, but.... which speaker would you consider more dynamic? (I know the Klipsch is known for being dynamic, which I like) How about the svs?
actually think the svs is more dynamic. Even though their low end is rated slightly above that of the klipsch their roll off is much better and the voicing of the svs lends itself to better dynamics imo
Unfortunately the price on the SVS Prime bookshelf have shot up to $699 on Amazon whilst the Klipsch RP600M are at $569 right now. Sadly if they are that close, it's hard to pick the SVS Prime right now. Not sure if it's scarcity of materials to build the SVS speaker or what.
@Randy. Please could you do a review on the Kef Q350. I know you were quite taken with the Kef Q150. I hate bright speakers, and The Q150 has a mellow top-end. However, The Kef Q150 got into trouble in the bass department when playing around 85 DB and over. I am thinking of buying 4 Q350's for a home cinema, as my front and surround speakers, I have a JBL Northridge center speaker I'm still happy with.
Randy (You are the Macho man of audio) I like your channel. How come you haven't mentioned the look of the speakers? Isn't that important for you? Prime look amazing. They are like a piece of art. They are perfect. I compare them to my black BMW 3 series and Alien movie somehow lol, if you know what I mean.. Klipsch look weird. Just weird
@@jerrythornton7167 nice!!! Im, using my RP-150 stand mounts with an Eastern Electric Minimax 6bm8 tube based power amplifier. Makes the Klipsch sound full, rich , textured just Awesome...
Great review Randy! I know everybody has their favorite music to audition speakers but id like to recommend a song that i just recently heard. It sounded amazing on my Elac unifi slims. It's "Liberty by Anette Askvik" Cheers
Since you're drinking a Coca Cola for breakfast, you should look for the new Coke with coffee that just came out. I was wondering,when you groped the woofers,which was firmer?
I found the primes to be bright, I couldn’t take it for more than a week. . I had the towers and the bookshelf. I switched to the Emotiva t1 and b1 and I also own the rp600m in another room.
i just upgraded to svs from klipsch. klipsch is way harsher while svs is much sweeter. maybe emotiva is sweeter because of ribbon tweeter..idk. im still deciding between airmotiv c2+ and ultra xcenter
@Cheapaudioman you should listen to "litanie contre la peur" whenever you listen to Chocolate Chip Trip, off Fear Inoculum, it's a good track to hear the speaker wrap all the way around you.
If they had the exact same drivers I think that could be the case. I’m not sure what drivers the svs are using but I can guarantee that they’re not the same as the Klipsch.
I like all that music, to. Did u run out of home cleaners to drink? Lol . great videos man!!So I think you'll probably get this, I've been riding at the dragon for 10 years flawless victory no tickets no wrecks. Chaaa, 12 min with a hurt foot on the wrong bike, GSX-S1000, MT-O7 fully modded was fasted here. But I'll be 40 in a year or two and I've got two people to take care of that are getting up there in age and I just lost the one person that was going to help me, so I hung up the riding boots forever and now I'm looking to buy a home stereo to go with my LGCXOLED TV 65 inch, I was going to go trade it in for the 77 but it's going to be an additional $1700 for the privilege, so I decided to get a good home stereo system, went to Crutchfield and got the SVS prime 5.0 and that comes with the prime center, the prime bookshelf pair, and the satellite pair. Got that newer yamaha tsr 700 something, the 7.1 with EARC. I think that everything will be set up by Friday I hope and me and my grandparents do Friday Saturday and Sunday movie nights, I introduced them to the Marvel cinematic universe and they absolutely love it, this will be our third time watching them all. In between I watch other movies for like a month and then switch back to marvel. LOKI IS OUR FAV!!!!! Well if you read all that thanks and I'll continue to watch your videos see what else I can learn
Curious. When you're A - B testing the speakers do you have a speaker selector switch or do you have to connect the speakers one pair at a time? Do you listen to a track on one then the same track on the other, or do you listen to a bundle of tunes all on one speaker, then the whole list on the second? I've found comparing speakers that have to be unhooked and then placed in position separately unless there's a radical difference that memory can be a problem. The longer the duration between listens the more the lines can blur. Of course when listening with some people other things can blur the lines and memory become a problem too, but that's a lifestyle issue.
I don't have a switcher as the different sensitivities will play havoc with my impressions as level matching won't be achievable that way. I put the speakers up and level match them and notate the volume level for that speaker at a given spl. Then I listen to a portion of the track on one, switch the speaker, adjust the volume, and listen to the same portion on the other. Generally the parts of the song are 2-8 seconds. I'm listening for specific things and I only compare that specific thing that I'm listening for. It may not be the most ideal way to do it but it's the only methodology that I've come up with that eliminates as many variables as I can. Ideally I'd have two amps being fed by the same source and have the speakers level matched and then change the amp back and forth to get a real time comparison.
Hi Randy, what are your thoughts on bi-amping a bookshelf speaker like the RP600M? Some AVRs have the ability to use the rear surround channels for bi-amping front speakers. Wondering whether it would be worth it. Thoughts?
I tried it with my marantz. I didn’t notice a huge difference. With that said, I didn’t try to bi amp them and listen very critically. If you have the option to do it then I’d say go for it and then see if you can tell a difference. The good news is that the option is there.
I think the real opportunity with bi amping is using two different amps with different volumes and splitting the signal between the two amps and then be able to control the output of the woofer and tweeter separately. Too bright, dial down the treble. Too think. Turn up the woofer... etc. I think I’ll try that.
My current amp does not (INTEGRA Dtr 6.6). It is an avr with good amplification that i use for 2 channel. My speakers are KEF Q15.2 which are bi ampable. I can pick up a used avr with bi amp capabilities for not much $$ so am curious as to whether there is any benefit.
Love your channel Randy. I have a yamaha VX-6A receiver running 2.1. My front towers are 17 year old paradigm legend towers. Do you think these bookshelves or the elac unifi 52’s could replace the towers? ( room is 12 x 15). Trying to save some $ . Much appreciated!
I’m not sure. I’ve never heard the towers that you have. There are some great towers from Emotiva and Fluance and Jamo that may fit the Bill around that price
I love your vids I don't like pretentious audio reviews* big fan of zeos great interview- I am a klipsch fan- looking for a end all desktop/ bedroom speaker. Currently running old ass pioneer hpm40s they are awesome but big and I wanna store them for a move when I get an office or sometime of me room! I need a subwoofer always so no matter the speaker I am looking for the most articulate sub from 100hz to 20 if not maybe a little lower for movies any suggestions? I am a cheap audioman
I didn't hear a difference with different powers of amps. with the sound of the amp I did and can tell a difference. these like a more full amp on the bottom
Randy, do you have a predetermined dollar amount this channel will not exceed for reviewing speakers ?? Asking because this last round of speakers are on the borderline of budget. Again, just curious and as always, thank you for the reviews !!
$600 and below is the wheelhouse right now. every now and then we may go above that. kind of the opposite of everyone else. they do expensive stuff with the occasional product. we're doing the opposite here.
for home theater I think probably the Primes. With the bigger driver they have a tendency to be able to handle quick dynamic changes I think better than the Emos. With that said, the emos are still awesome and in most applications will be perfectly fine with a high pass filter put on them.
@@cheapaudioman Hi Randy, same question with respect to the tower versions of the same speakers.. Last couple of years I have been thinking exclusively of the Prime towers as a ht upgrade, then discovered the Emotiva T2+'s.. As a caveat to my question, I'd be add adding a center channel of the same series.. C2+ looks like the bee's knees.. Just pulled the trigger on some E2+ as surrounds, getting ready to go all Emotiva, and I saw your dang video.. Great by the way..! Elicit emotion got me.. Cus I know that feeling, rare but I know it.. So, I was originally going to go Primes as I started but then figured the pinnacles would be better, but the price was a bit high.. Then the Emotivas showed up on my radar.. In my mind I have steered clear from the Primes after countess reviews or lack of.. However, I love a very tactile speaker for ht. I have a pair of pb2000 pro subs so my bottom end is covered.. Seems as the Emotivas need a lot of juice as I've been struggling to find a 200-300 watt amp to run them that won't break the bank after also needing to buy a new 4K AVR with pre-outs too.. Arghhh... Appreciate your opinion Randy.. Thank you very much..! -Darrin.
Hi Cheapaudioman, Sounds like these two speakers are a too close to call situation. Surely, they both have their best use. Sinse I'm 75% a movie guy I'm wondering which brand is the better choice for those of us that dream of a jealousy inducing HT system. BTW, the image quality of your videos is great lately. What camera & mic set up are you using. Many thanks.
using the same camera I've just been shooting at different settings. Camera is a sony a7r3. I did and still do some photography here an there. the mic is just a lav mic connected to the camera. thanks for noticing. I've been trying to make things better
Hi Randy, you make me laugh with your straight face saying the things you say. Anyway I got to buy the klipsch rp600m for $395.00. What a great deal. Yeah these klipsch speakers are always changing price. Just like you said between elac and Klipsch, price will win between these two speakers.
I’m planning on purchasing the primes here soon. I really want the ultras,but I can’t deal with the price. My room is 12-12-9. Do you think these speakers with a sub will rock with movie watching? Thanks Randy..I really enjoy your opinion about these things. Thanks again sir. 😁😁
As an owner of primes i gotta say its amazing for home theater. i have the prime center and bookshelves also have prime satellites but there not hooked up. its a beast of a setup. however i cant recommend getting these cause unless your 50% music and 50% movies its overkill. cause if your not zeos is right you want to spend the most money youve ever spent on a speaker for the center channel. 80% of the movie is coming out of that speaker. that being said ultra center and fill the rest of the room up with prime satellites or elevations with a svs pb 1000 pro that setup would murder anything you threw at it.
@@ld32486 Thanks for the feedback..so you think the ultra center is that much better. Than the prime? Pretty expensive, double the price. But I just want to do this system once. So I definitely wanna get the best that I can without killing the bank account. Lol
@@joelane4670 id start with the prime. upgrade later in life. also if your on a budget buy in pieces and not all at once. plan for 6 months to a year of slowly buying pieces. your bank account will thank you for that one. id start with a killer stereo setup and build on that. satellites,bookshelves or towers your gonna have a good time either way you go. dont be affraid to buy used either. 100% of my setup is from ebay. pair of prime bookshelves for 400 pair of prime sats for 175 and the prime center for 300 denon 1600h for 300. my last piece is the pb1000 pro from svs and my setup is complete for awhile. last piece of advice atmos is bullshit focus on a solid 5.1 or 7.1 build from there. someday atmos could be great unfortunately that day is not today. its not worth spending the extra $$$ just for a single scene of atmos effects in most cases.
I hope you never stop doing these Saturday speaker shootouts! My ritual is to brew a fresh cup of coffee and sit down and watch your video every Saturday morning. Also your voice is calming which is nice. It’s my therapy. Oh yeah, the speakers are nice too I guess.
Man that’s awesome. I really appreciate that.
me too, same ritual here
You guys are right. It has become a ritual. Damn it man... Just when I thought I was out you drag me back in 😃
It wouldn't be Saturday without a Speaker Shootout!!! 👍👍👍
“Adele” by Hello is my favorite song😂
Yeah I caught that one when I watched this last night to try to catch any mistakes but I was tired and like “ f it”. I think everyone will understand.
You're right, we understood, but still funny, great review btw! 👍🏼🔊
@@cheapaudioman and this type of mentality is why I hit that subscribe button! Love the delivery, the sponsors always make me laugh, and most of all, I connect with the helpful information you're giving about all this equipment I have questions about. Thanks, man!
Adele, it's me, I've been wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet
Best part is the ground loop in the background of the audio .. cheapaudioman, not cheapyoutubecreator 😝
I came for the Klipsch review and I got it! Great video!
The "Tap Test" is indeed valid! My YU6's have always had an upper-mid honkiness (which could be minimised with eq) and just out of curiosity when passing by them the other day I have them a tap. Guess what? Yup, it revealed a resonance right where that "honkiness" was. I deliberated over this for a long time - about 5 minutes. Then I went to my local auto store and bought two car mats (generic thick rubber with a checker-plate pattern) and pulled the speakers apart. Removed the insignificant wadding and then cut and hot-glued rubber panels to the inside surfaces. The tap test proved that the overly live boxes were now significantly deadened. First test was with all eq removed and they're great now!
Just thought of a really good analogy and I had to send it to you. You don't have to swim the deep end to have fun . On the other side of the rope is where everyone is playing. I love the cheap audio dude. Lol✌️
Agreed. Zero bracing on the Klipsch. Has issues on some bass notes in the 80-120 hz range
My new favorite audio channel!
Since the 40 subscribers, more or less! :p
Here at the Cheapaudioman, we don't feel like audio equipment should cost as much as a divorce, but only what you have left over after the divorce.
I just got divorced. The ex paid for everything! 😄 No settlement, no alimony. She paid for it all. What a great time.
A Ferrari shouldn't cost as much as a divorce but it does.
I've never owned a Ferrari but I've paid for a divorce,,,,, worth every penny.
@@darrelgustafson2507 The price of the freedom!
Another Stellar Review !
I have the Klipsch 600’s and absolutely love them. I was fortunate enough to score them for $440.00 and worth every penny I’m really enjoying them 👍🏻
Yes.... Marriage is GRAND..... But divorce is a HUNDRED GRAND!!
No notes?!? Awesome! Maybe this wasn't your 1st time without them but I just noticed. I'm assuming that means you're just getting better at this RUclips thing, and I love it, glad to keep seeing you progress like a pro, keep it up and thanks again!
I own the Klipsch RB 81-II... love them
Those are in a different league than these lol! Don't ever "upgrade" those. Unless you're going to try and find a pair of RB-75 🤣 NOTHING in bookshelf speakers today, in that class, could ever feel like an upgrade 🤷♂️
@@Lord_Pistachio_Nut I assume you own a pair ?
@@ricksmith7659 yeah, and momentarily the 600m. It isn't an upgrade....a lateral move at best. Not knocking the speaker at all because it's a wonderful bookshelf. But, not the 3 generations newer "upgrade" I was expecting lol.
Thank you for a very comprehensive comparison!!!
You my man are the man! love your gig keep it up and some day I will tell about me sneaking into a Metallica and armored saint when I was around 17ish at a club in Albuquerque... I'm kinda a Forest Gump when it comes to close encounters with Metal bands. Or maybe the time I and my two buddies partied with Deep Purple in their Hotel room again in Albuquerque... I have many stories...
can def relate to that upper-middle-age joint pain 😆
I fall asleep watching your videos, that's a good thing cause I only fall asleep listening to someone who tells interesting stuff and has a calming voice . It's such a shame that here in Greece we have COMPLETELY different prices on most speakers . For example, elac debut 6.2 are 350€ and cambridge audio sx60 are 265€ .
Thank you for watching from Greece. The price differences I’m sure are very frustrating.
Yay, I got somebody with some eyes to help me and I got to the HD link rock on brother
So is the sound on Amazon HD better than HD on RUclips?
@@garyganser2451 Yes in most cases. If listening on a PC be sure to adjust the "speaker properties" to maximum under the "advanced" tab. If using a USB DAC the adjustment should not be needed, but it doesn't hurt.
@@garyganser2451 honestly I really Cantel
Randy, you are the best thing on RUclips! Please tell me which of these speakers you would recommend to pair with a Marantz 2218 or 2215??????
Sweet speaker shoot out! What a nice pair of speakers you have there!
Yep.... 'used the "tap test" on my gal when I met her...... She's a keeper!! ;)
Came to the same conclusion when I A/B these speakers for over a week however I I also had the elac b6.2 the same week and I rated svs 1st, elac 2nd and the klipsch 3rd. The elac is half the price
I need to get another pair of those. And thanks for sharing about your opinion. Always makes me feel good that I’m not crazy
Wharfdale Diamond12.2/ ElacUnifiub52/BnW 607S2 ? For melody, vocals
Good job Chief. I’d love if you borrow the modified RP600M from Ron at NRD and compare to the original version you have.
That would be cool for sure
Love your videos. Your personality is hilarious
I really enjoy this channel 🤘🏻
I use the SVS Prime with a 12" Velodyne. All I could ever ask for.
Awesome Shootout ..as always !
Love the shootouts Cheapaudioman. D roll is here to stay, getting fancier every time. Could go as far as calling it C roll at this point.
6:51 adele by hello. ah yes 'hello' one of my fav artists
Great video as always Randy, I definitely look forward to these SSSs. One thing not mentioned that might sway a buyer one way or the other (if it’s important to them) is the difference in their efficiency...obviously the RP600M is rated to be more sensitive, but did you notice a big difference? Maybe users of small or inexpensive tube amplifiers will benefit from having that extra efficiency of the Klipsch. Although Klipsch has been known to be a little generous with their rating in that regard.
Thanks again Randy.
Hmm good review, but you know what would've been better? Adding the Elac UB52 into the ring. That would've been awesome-r
This was really useful, thanks for this!
Bright electronics might smooth out with the SVS, while the Klipsch might pair well with tubes and darker gear. Maybe not. What amp was used - the Emotiv or the trebly one? Both?
Yeah I've heard denon pairs well with svs and it's what I have and it sounds great but I don't have to much to compare it too
@@brandonbrodbeck6688 If it ain't broke...It would be nice, though, to have a loaner collection of gear where you could go, check out an amp or a DAC, what have you, like a library book. Just to see what could be improved.
The prime makes for a fantastic surround speaker. However, the Ultras make for better 2-channel listening due to a tad better bottom end.
Enjoyment was had.
Thanks I enjoyed the video. I should check out the RP600M. Have been on a search for some good priced speakers. I got the Elac B6.2 Did not like them. Bought a bunch of new components. Still not satisfied. I think that after 40 years of professional drumming and pretty much just listening to large speaker cabs with 18 inch subs and 15 inch woofers and horns , I am so used to a crazy V curve I may have to step up to a horn loaded Klipsch . Like a Forte or something. Although I don't want to pay the price. Well the search continues.
as another reviewer stated, if you’re in a car and wanting to always crank up the treble to 11, get the KLIPSCH
I used to ride tons of MI. on two wheels, and even with protection, the noise has def. has a negative impact on my hearing
Peter Simo, u can make a diy forte clone. There's plenty of info in the web about how to make them. Cheers!
What you need is a pair of Klipsch Heresy speakers, and a few “tweaks”. They ain’t cheap at $1500 each brand new, but they’ll get you 85% of the way there. They next item in your shopping cart should be an SVS sub, as big as you can afford, that will get you to 95%. For the last 5%, you will have to play around with bi-amping the Heresys. You’ll be mostly happy with that arrangement.
@@ronzack4572 bi amping wouldn't be an issue. I have 2 QSC class D amps and an old Crest class D . Everything else, that would be the problem.
Go vintage. Maybe some big ole Cerwin-Vega even.
Great stuff! Would love to see more like this.
Which one for home theatre? I feel like the SVS Prime center is better with its 3way design and im leaning that way but wouldnt mind your input
Klipsch Rp series speakers are amazing !!
Got my Walnut RP600M at $325 refurbished (but they were in new condition?) and have been very happy with them. Also, the magnetic grills are nice over the snaps.
Him: *Hi, I'm Randy*
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RP-600m is arguably king of the playground of the bookshelf weight class. In sales its certainly true! Anyways, shootout the JBL's from the other weekend with the RP-600m, that seems like a more appropriate match up. Oh. and My Morning Jakckets "Okonokos" live record is a lovely reference for soundstaging ; )
when I eventually get my own place and space for a stereo setup, I'm gonna have to give the RP600Ms serious consideration.
@Jack Shiv I've heard good things about those too!
@Jack Shiv Are you utilizing your shelf speakers for your main front channels? Is there a sub in the mix as well?
hey just wondering what’s the best amp i should get for a 7.2.4 set up for cheap
also i just recently subscribed and i love all of your content ❤️
Dude... you're awesome. That's all I'm going to say.
I’ve commented before on this video, thank you so much for an amazing review, we want more, we want more of the Saturday shoot out whether you do it between headphones speakers and stacks dangle tax receivers you’re just awesome and so entertaining funny like a clown LOL hits the movie? Goodfellas?
Hey Randy have you ever heard or at any rate what is your opinion on the RP-500M? The RP-600M are a bit much for my place and my budget. I came across a supposedly like-new set of RP-500M for $315 and am very tempted...
Nice review. I'm curious, how much power do you recommend or how big of amp did you use for your test? Thanks again.
I dropped my klipsch tower speaker when I was carrying it over my head and it smacked the wall I lost control and it hit the ground hard on some tile I'm surprised the paint or wood didn't chip 0 damage to the speaker I haven't notice a change in sound or anything like that
Why did you carry them over your head?? 😂
You work for klipsch?;))
Hey Chief I think you have a new comparison test to add. Carry each speaker over you head, smash it against a wall and tell us the difference between the two.
Your very luck it landed on a flatter angle versus hitting a corner 👍🏻
Do you "break in/run in" the speakers and amps before doing critical listening? Some people don't believe in this but I've noticed quite a few manufactures mention something in the manual..
Break in is a fools errand. You deliberately put wear on your system to make it "sound right". That's ridiculous. If your system really sounds different after a hundred hours of 'break in' it would fall apart in under 200 hours more.
In my years of high end audio equipment usage I came across break in exactly once, ... on over 20 year old loudspeakers, that had rubber surrounds that quite literally desintegrated into little particles.
yes on all accounts. the speakers usually get 2-3 weeks as front channels in my living room system and I don't run a center so they're getting all the info.
@@cheapaudioman very nice, thanks for your dedication.
My room is 12'6" x 17 with 8" ceilings. My question is which would be better, Prime towers or these bookshelves and a SVS PB-1000 ?
My 10 in Klipsch sub at times sounds muddy. So, if I get the bookshelves, a new sub will be needed. Price would be the same for both options, so not a factor. Great vid!
I think you would enjoy the bookshelves with new sub. I prefer towers usually but if its not in your budget or dont want to wait for a new sub then go for the bookshelves and sub.
The SPL10 blows the sw12 out of the water. I love my SPL vs the SW12 I had
@@onecleangti I really wish bestbuy had a sub room to show people have much better a $500+ sub is versus the entry level ones.
8 inch ceiling, you have to lay the speakers on their sides 😁
@@StewartMarkley lmao. Smurf sized house
Are the Elac uni fi ub52 still your favourite?
Please let us know if that changes.
yes they are but they're not the prettiest and I want to highlight the awesome speakers at different price levels. Also, my favorite doesn't mean it's the right speaker for everyone. The UB52's are my favorite neutral speaker
@@cheapaudioman I think they look cheaper than they are but, as you said, it's a good thing they put the budget on what matters
Instead of primes I’ve got the ultra bookshelves at a very reasonable price Loved them!
hey man have you heard the svs prime satellite? In Australia at least the elac b6.2 are the same price as the svs prime satellite and im just wondering if the svs prime bookshelf is 200 aud better than the b6.2 or the svs prime satellite
in Denmark the price range (on the same website) are totally not in the same category... The klipsch is 973,29 USD pair the SVS
259,60 USD pair... Imma get the SVS then if they are so similarily reviewed
good humor and good work!
the Klipsch have been measured by multiple reviewers, including John Atkinson from Stereophile as being at 89db efficiency
I agree. It should be a crime to be so far off with that sensitivity measurement. First time listening was disappointing in that respect but still a really good speaker for the money. If you want sensitive try a Tekton. Not saying they are better but wow are they sensitive.
anthem mrx 740 any reviews coming up ?
You need to capture the CheapAudioMan when he says "Ok emm? " and put it on a t-shirt.👀
Yeah. It’s a little idiosyncrasy I have. I occasionally do product training at work and I do that all the time or ask if that makes sense... I’m a bit quirky
@@cheapaudioman Hey it's you and that's why we keep coming back.
Great review Randy, this is what I was waiting for. I heard you say the svs is more lively on the top end, but.... which speaker would you consider more dynamic? (I know the Klipsch is known for being dynamic, which I like) How about the svs?
actually think the svs is more dynamic. Even though their low end is rated slightly above that of the klipsch their roll off is much better and the voicing of the svs lends itself to better dynamics imo
Hey Randy, would you say the SVS is a better speaker than the Airmotiv B1+ or just different?
What about a canine MRI? Because that costs about the same as the 600Ms. I’m so confused.....
Unfortunately the price on the SVS Prime bookshelf have shot up to $699 on Amazon whilst the Klipsch RP600M are at $569 right now. Sadly if they are that close, it's hard to pick the SVS Prime right now. Not sure if it's scarcity of materials to build the SVS speaker or what.
AAAAAGGGGG!!!! your confusing ME! but I'll take the SVS because I like bass that punches. and I have the SVS SB4000 subwoofer woot!
@Randy. Please could you do a review on the Kef Q350. I know you were quite taken with the Kef Q150. I hate bright speakers, and The Q150 has a mellow top-end. However, The Kef Q150 got into trouble in the bass department when playing around 85 DB and over. I am thinking of buying 4 Q350's for a home cinema, as my front and surround speakers, I have a JBL Northridge center speaker I'm still happy with.
they're arriving tomorrow.
@@cheapaudioman Thx man.
Cheapaudioman review suggestion...Keces E-40 integrated amp.
@cheapaudioman would love a shootout between the SVS Prime and the Polk R100!
Randy, at $200- Fluance Signature Series HiFi Bookshelves should be on the Recommended list!!
I have the reference in right now and about ready to do the review on them. they're probably better for most people than the signatures.
Randy (You are the Macho man of audio) I like your channel. How come you haven't mentioned the look of the speakers? Isn't that important for you? Prime look amazing. They are like a piece of art. They are perfect. I compare them to my black BMW 3 series and Alien movie somehow lol, if you know what I mean.. Klipsch look weird. Just weird
Yeah...interior bracing is important.
The Klipsch will do low powered tube amps ;^)
yes
I"m using the predecessor Klipsch RB-61 II (95db) with a very low powered tub amp and they sound amazing.
@@jerrythornton7167 nice!!! Im, using my RP-150 stand mounts with an Eastern Electric Minimax 6bm8 tube based power amplifier. Makes the Klipsch sound full, rich , textured just Awesome...
We have to get you some cool Saturday Speaker Shootout intro effects; some pew pew pew, pow pow...
Bunch of gladiators fighting it out!
Cheap HiFi Gladiators.
Good morning!
Great review Randy! I know everybody has their favorite music to audition speakers but id like to recommend a song that i just recently heard. It sounded amazing on my Elac unifi slims. It's "Liberty by Anette Askvik" Cheers
I will second this!
Since you're drinking a Coca Cola for breakfast, you should look for the new Coke with coffee that just came out. I was wondering,when you groped the woofers,which was firmer?
similar firmness. and I shoot these the day before they go up. had coffee at the beginning and soda at the end
I found the primes to be bright, I couldn’t take it for more than a week. . I had the towers and the bookshelf. I switched to the Emotiva t1 and b1 and I also own the rp600m in another room.
i just upgraded to svs from klipsch. klipsch is way harsher while svs is much sweeter. maybe emotiva is sweeter because of ribbon tweeter..idk. im still deciding between airmotiv c2+ and ultra xcenter
@Cheapaudioman you should listen to "litanie contre la peur" whenever you listen to Chocolate Chip Trip, off Fear Inoculum, it's a good track to hear the speaker wrap all the way around you.
About to go binge listen now. I guess that means my neighbors are too lol.
The difference is in the efficiency; the SVS is attenuating the tweeter to get better bass response.
If they had the exact same drivers I think that could be the case. I’m not sure what drivers the svs are using but I can guarantee that they’re not the same as the Klipsch.
I like all that music, to. Did u run out of home cleaners to drink? Lol . great videos man!!So I think you'll probably get this, I've been riding at the dragon for 10 years flawless victory no tickets no wrecks. Chaaa, 12 min with a hurt foot on the wrong bike, GSX-S1000, MT-O7 fully modded was fasted here. But I'll be 40 in a year or two and I've got two people to take care of that are getting up there in age and I just lost the one person that was going to help me, so I hung up the riding boots forever and now I'm looking to buy a home stereo to go with my LGCXOLED TV 65 inch, I was going to go trade it in for the 77 but it's going to be an additional $1700 for the privilege, so I decided to get a good home stereo system, went to Crutchfield and got the SVS prime 5.0 and that comes with the prime center, the prime bookshelf pair, and the satellite pair. Got that newer yamaha tsr 700 something, the 7.1 with EARC. I think that everything will be set up by Friday I hope and me and my grandparents do Friday Saturday and Sunday movie nights, I introduced them to the Marvel cinematic universe and they absolutely love it, this will be our third time watching them all. In between I watch other movies for like a month and then switch back to marvel. LOKI IS OUR FAV!!!!! Well if you read all that thanks and I'll continue to watch your videos see what else I can learn
Picked up rp600m 399 open box 😏 now I got the 600 as fronts and rears
nice. great price
@@cheapaudioman thanks man great channel
Ultras are $600 per speaker. Should I? B&W 606 s2 are $850 for a pair.
Hmmm
Curious.
When you're A - B testing the speakers do you have a speaker selector switch or do you have to connect the speakers one pair at a time? Do you listen to a track on one then the same track on the other, or do you listen to a bundle of tunes all on one speaker, then the whole list on the second?
I've found comparing speakers that have to be unhooked and then placed in position separately unless there's a radical difference that memory can be a problem. The longer the duration between listens the more the lines can blur.
Of course when listening with some people other things can blur the lines and memory become a problem too, but that's a lifestyle issue.
I don't have a switcher as the different sensitivities will play havoc with my impressions as level matching won't be achievable that way. I put the speakers up and level match them and notate the volume level for that speaker at a given spl. Then I listen to a portion of the track on one, switch the speaker, adjust the volume, and listen to the same portion on the other. Generally the parts of the song are 2-8 seconds. I'm listening for specific things and I only compare that specific thing that I'm listening for. It may not be the most ideal way to do it but it's the only methodology that I've come up with that eliminates as many variables as I can. Ideally I'd have two amps being fed by the same source and have the speakers level matched and then change the amp back and forth to get a real time comparison.
I own to pairs of klipsch.luv em!..Dont modify.
Hi Randy, what are your thoughts on bi-amping a bookshelf speaker like the RP600M? Some AVRs have the ability to use the rear surround channels for bi-amping front speakers. Wondering whether it would be worth it. Thoughts?
I tried it with my marantz. I didn’t notice a huge difference. With that said, I didn’t try to bi amp them and listen very critically. If you have the option to do it then I’d say go for it and then see if you can tell a difference. The good news is that the option is there.
I think the real opportunity with bi amping is using two different amps with different volumes and splitting the signal between the two amps and then be able to control the output of the woofer and tweeter separately. Too bright, dial down the treble. Too think. Turn up the woofer... etc. I think I’ll try that.
My current amp does not (INTEGRA Dtr 6.6). It is an avr with good amplification that i use for 2 channel. My speakers are KEF Q15.2 which are bi ampable. I can pick up a used avr with bi amp capabilities for not much $$ so am curious as to whether there is any benefit.
demo please?
Love your channel Randy. I have a yamaha VX-6A receiver running 2.1. My front towers are 17 year old paradigm legend towers. Do you think these bookshelves or the elac unifi 52’s could replace the towers? ( room is 12 x 15). Trying to save some $ . Much appreciated!
I’m not sure. I’ve never heard the towers that you have. There are some great towers from Emotiva and Fluance and Jamo that may fit the Bill around that price
@@cheapaudioman I guess I’m wondering if these modern books shelf speakers can replace a tower in a small room. Sitting approx 9’ away?
Thanks for the new Saturday morning ritual! Quick question. Taking bass out of the equation, how do the B1+'s compare to the SVS?
B1’s have better clarity svs better mids
Emotiva B1 or psb alpha B1?
i've been looking at the svs ultras,, or the b&w 606, i 've heard the older b&w,, loved them, but the svs ultras are built better, i think
I love your vids I don't like pretentious audio reviews* big fan of zeos great interview- I am a klipsch fan- looking for a end all desktop/ bedroom speaker. Currently running old ass pioneer hpm40s they are awesome but big and I wanna store them for a move when I get an office or sometime of me room! I need a subwoofer always so no matter the speaker I am looking for the most articulate sub from 100hz to 20 if not maybe a little lower for movies any suggestions? I am a cheap audioman
svs sb 1000 bit.ly/3cx0rPp
@@cheapaudioman thanks I have wanted a sealed svs for some time. Probably what I’m gunna get.
You say "similarly" in a way that reminds me of the time you mispronounced it. I appreciate the effort!
What's with the 2 handed soda sips Randy??
being stupid
@@cheapaudioman Mission accomplished!
Question do the svs prime sound way better with more power? Or do they sound about the same with little or alot of power?
I didn't hear a difference with different powers of amps. with the sound of the amp I did and can tell a difference. these like a more full amp on the bottom
Randy, do you have a predetermined dollar amount this channel will not exceed for reviewing speakers ?? Asking because this last round of speakers are on the borderline of budget. Again, just curious and as always, thank you for the reviews !!
He has said his intention is to keep it to under about $500 or so.
$600 and below is the wheelhouse right now. every now and then we may go above that. kind of the opposite of everyone else. they do expensive stuff with the occasional product. we're doing the opposite here.
Between the SVS Prime and Emotiva, which would you enjoy more for HT?
for home theater I think probably the Primes. With the bigger driver they have a tendency to be able to handle quick dynamic changes I think better than the Emos. With that said, the emos are still awesome and in most applications will be perfectly fine with a high pass filter put on them.
@@cheapaudioman Hi Randy, same question with respect to the tower versions of the same speakers.. Last couple of years I have been thinking exclusively of the Prime towers as a ht upgrade, then discovered the Emotiva T2+'s.. As a caveat to my question, I'd be add adding a center channel of the same series.. C2+ looks like the bee's knees.. Just pulled the trigger on some E2+ as surrounds, getting ready to go all Emotiva, and I saw your dang video.. Great by the way..! Elicit emotion got me.. Cus I know that feeling, rare but I know it.. So, I was originally going to go Primes as I started but then figured the pinnacles would be better, but the price was a bit high.. Then the Emotivas showed up on my radar.. In my mind I have steered clear from the Primes after countess reviews or lack of.. However, I love a very tactile speaker for ht. I have a pair of pb2000 pro subs so my bottom end is covered.. Seems as the Emotivas need a lot of juice as I've been struggling to find a 200-300 watt amp to run them that won't break the bank after also needing to buy a new 4K AVR with pre-outs too.. Arghhh... Appreciate your opinion Randy.. Thank you very much..! -Darrin.
Hi Cheapaudioman,
Sounds like these two speakers are a too close to call situation. Surely, they both have their best use. Sinse I'm 75% a movie guy I'm wondering which brand is the better choice for those of us that dream of a jealousy inducing HT system.
BTW, the image quality of your videos is great lately. What camera & mic set up are you using.
Many thanks.
using the same camera I've just been shooting at different settings. Camera is a sony a7r3. I did and still do some photography here an there. the mic is just a lav mic connected to the camera. thanks for noticing. I've been trying to make things better
I love Adele by Hello. But I think Crazy by Hello is a much better track.
Hi Randy, you make me laugh with your straight face saying the things you say. Anyway I got to buy the klipsch rp600m for $395.00. What a great deal. Yeah these klipsch speakers are always changing price. Just like you said between elac and Klipsch, price will win between these two speakers.
The low midrange problem with the RP 600M can be solved by driving them from the 4 ohms tap of a tube amp
amazing video!!What happened to chewbacca?
When’s the SVS soundbase review comin’?
pretty soon. I've got everything scheduled out. looks like it's schedule for 2-19 right now. that may move up though.
Both are good speakers but I just can't stand the copper.
I’m planning on purchasing the primes here soon. I really want the ultras,but I can’t deal with the price. My room is 12-12-9. Do you think these speakers with a sub will rock with movie watching? Thanks Randy..I really enjoy your opinion about these things. Thanks again sir. 😁😁
As an owner of primes i gotta say its amazing for home theater. i have the prime center and bookshelves also have prime satellites but there not hooked up. its a beast of a setup. however i cant recommend getting these cause unless your 50% music and 50% movies its overkill. cause if your not zeos is right you want to spend the most money youve ever spent on a speaker for the center channel. 80% of the movie is coming out of that speaker. that being said ultra center and fill the rest of the room up with prime satellites or elevations with a svs pb 1000 pro that setup would murder anything you threw at it.
@@ld32486 Thanks for the feedback..so you think the ultra center is that much better. Than the prime? Pretty expensive, double the price. But I just want to do this system once. So I definitely wanna get the best that I can without killing the bank account. Lol
@@joelane4670 id start with the prime. upgrade later in life. also if your on a budget buy in pieces and not all at once. plan for 6 months to a year of slowly buying pieces. your bank account will thank you for that one. id start with a killer stereo setup and build on that. satellites,bookshelves or towers your gonna have a good time either way you go. dont be affraid to buy used either. 100% of my setup is from ebay. pair of prime bookshelves for 400 pair of prime sats for 175 and the prime center for 300 denon 1600h for 300. my last piece is the pb1000 pro from svs and my setup is complete for awhile. last piece of advice atmos is bullshit focus on a solid 5.1 or 7.1 build from there. someday atmos could be great unfortunately that day is not today. its not worth spending the extra $$$ just for a single scene of atmos effects in most cases.
@@ld32486 much appreciated bud. I will keep you up to date..peace!